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Speaker 1: to our conversation with JJ. Good morning, JJ, Thanks for

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Speaker 1: joining us, Thanks for having me. I appreciate it. So, JJ,

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Speaker 1: have my Dynasty draft this weekend, and it's a really

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Speaker 1: could be this season's David Johnson or Odell Beckham junior

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Speaker 1: with a superkeeper for years to come. Yeah. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, obviously, in order to be a David Johnson

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Speaker 1: outlier type season in order for that to occur. But

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Speaker 1: I think that, you know, if you look at those

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Speaker 1: it has to do with you know, with David Johnson specifically,

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Speaker 1: And and also you're in an in an offense that's

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Speaker 1: you combine that with his insane athleticism and you get

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Speaker 1: what David Johnson did last season as a rookie. I

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Speaker 1: he's a wide receiver transfer to be become a running back.

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Speaker 1: They're a notre dame. UM. You know. I think a

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Speaker 1: lot of people are are up on Kristin Michael again.

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Speaker 1: But at the same time, we saw what Michael did

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Speaker 1: last season as a starter in that offense. Uh, and

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Speaker 1: it wasn't phenomenal. Uh. We've we haven't seen process and

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Speaker 1: But as you talk about it, I could definitely see

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Speaker 1: But I think there's there's generally two guys that I

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Speaker 1: Peyton Hillis the good Peyton Hillis the good Peyton Hillis

430
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Speaker 1: I would? I would? I would say doubtful, But I do,

431
00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,720
Speaker 1: like I said, I do love me some Zack Zenter.

432
00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:29,960
Speaker 1: All right, Now, moving over to wide receivers. Who do

433
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Speaker 1: you have outside of the top forty eightp at wide receiver?

434
00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,560
Speaker 1: They like? I think there's two guys that that people

435
00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:37,879
Speaker 1: should really be targeting. One of them is Phillip door Set.

436
00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:40,080
Speaker 1: You know, he can easily he can easily hit the

437
00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,240
Speaker 1: one hundred target mark in this offense this season that's

438
00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,879
Speaker 1: going to be past. First, they lost Andre Johnson and

439
00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,600
Speaker 1: Kobe Fleaner. Uh, so they're going to be using a

440
00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,919
Speaker 1: lot more three wide receiver sets without Kobe Fleaner there. Uh.

441
00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,000
Speaker 1: And then this is the other part that that I

442
00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,280
Speaker 1: think folks need to think about whenever they're drafting late.

443
00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:58,680
Speaker 1: What happens if a guy like t Y Hilton goes down?

444
00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:02,240
Speaker 1: Because remember when Philip Dorsett was drafted, everyone was so

445
00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:06,200
Speaker 1: madly confused and mad online because you had a guy

446
00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,439
Speaker 1: who was exactly profiled exactly like t Y Hilton, and

447
00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,359
Speaker 1: they had just signed t Y Hilton to a longer

448
00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,679
Speaker 1: term deal and it was very confusing. But what happens

449
00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:16,720
Speaker 1: if t Y Hilton goes down, Well, that means Philip

450
00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:18,439
Speaker 1: door Set is the perfect guy to kind of slot

451
00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,639
Speaker 1: in to t Y Hilton's role, which obviously brings a

452
00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,160
Speaker 1: ton of upside. So I really like Philip door Set

453
00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:26,399
Speaker 1: late and then the other guy that I'm kind of

454
00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,480
Speaker 1: in love with as well that you know, I'm not

455
00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:30,600
Speaker 1: a huge, huge fan of his actual game, but I'm

456
00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:34,639
Speaker 1: a huge fan of his situation. It's Muhammad Sanou without

457
00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,359
Speaker 1: AJ Green two years ago in the Cincinnati offense. There's

458
00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:40,119
Speaker 1: four games worth of data Sanu average five and a

459
00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:43,880
Speaker 1: half receptions, half a touchdown, nine point two five targets,

460
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:47,280
Speaker 1: and almost one hundred yards per game. Without Aj Green there,

461
00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,040
Speaker 1: we know he's going to have. It's insane, right, It's

462
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,919
Speaker 1: absolutely crazy. It's like wide receiver one fringe, wide receiver

463
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,439
Speaker 1: one numbers. You know, he'll have some sort of of

464
00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,840
Speaker 1: role in terms of a floor in the Atlanta offense

465
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,399
Speaker 1: as the number two target because there's not much there.

466
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Speaker 1: But if something were again to think in this kind

467
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,480
Speaker 1: of abstract way, if something were to happen to Julio Jones.

468
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,800
Speaker 1: We've seen Mohammed Sanu be something when his number one target,

469
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,560
Speaker 1: an elite number one target, went down, and also that

470
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,120
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan offense seems a favor of that top receiver.

471
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:20,240
Speaker 1: I think Mohammed Sanu not only has a lot of

472
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,199
Speaker 1: upside of something like that were to happen, but I

473
00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,520
Speaker 1: still think he can produce wide receiver three numbers even

474
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:28,520
Speaker 1: if that doesn't happen. Now, you mentioned Philip Dorset, and

475
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,840
Speaker 1: it's really interesting. Everyone goes out and they get their

476
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:34,199
Speaker 1: handcuffs for their for their bell count running back, but

477
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 1: nobody really seems to target these guys in these uh

478
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:41,960
Speaker 1: passing machine offenses, like the Colts who, like you said,

479
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Speaker 1: I mean, we saw what happened with Davante adams Stock

480
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,640
Speaker 1: last year when when Jordy Nelson went down, he shot

481
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,359
Speaker 1: up to the top fifty in ADP all of a sudden,

482
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 1: and he was sitting there at one twenty before then.

483
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,560
Speaker 1: So you know, if Philip Dorset does end up getting,

484
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 1: you know, coming into t Y Hilton's role, bearing some

485
00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:03,360
Speaker 1: kind of injury, his style would go way up. Yeah, yeah, absolutely,

486
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,120
Speaker 1: and the same look the same way if you're doing

487
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:06,880
Speaker 1: a deeper league or if you're playing a Best Ball

488
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 1: league or something. A guy that I own a ton

489
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,439
Speaker 1: of in my fantasy league tens, for instance, is Jermaine Curse,

490
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,880
Speaker 1: where he's not only listed as the two and has

491
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:19,200
Speaker 1: been seeing more more snaps than than Lockett has during

492
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 1: the preseason. But you know, it's something were to happen

493
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 1: to a Doug Baldwin or a Locket, you have an

494
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 1: extremely efficient quarterback and Jermaine Curse would be probably an

495
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,640
Speaker 1: easy wide receiver three fringe wide receiver two three. So

496
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,440
Speaker 1: that's that's kind of the way that I think folks

497
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 1: should be thinking. When they're thinking of upside, you have

498
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 1: to kind of include that abstract way of thought. Now,

499
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 1: Steve Smith is a player that I just can't seem

500
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 1: to put my finger on. When he was healthy last season,

501
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 1: he was getting so many targets. But he's going number

502
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,920
Speaker 1: fifty as far as wide receivers go. So what's going

503
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 1: on with Steve Smith? Is he going to get the

504
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:58,359
Speaker 1: same percentage of targets this season? Or should we not

505
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,200
Speaker 1: really expect anything from him? Yeah? I mean I can't

506
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 1: really grasp what's going to happen in the Ravens offense.

507
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 1: If I'm being honest, it's just such a disaster. I mean,

508
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,360
Speaker 1: not a disaster is in terms of like I mean,

509
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 1: clearly there's some sort of upside there, but you know,

510
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:13,919
Speaker 1: that kind of injury and Achilles injury is just very,

511
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 1: very difficult to come off of, and we've seen it

512
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,400
Speaker 1: in the past some wide receivers have, but those wide

513
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 1: receivers also aren't thirty seven years old, and I've gone

514
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 1: through years and years of pounding at the NFL level.

515
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,880
Speaker 1: So for me, I'm generally avoiding Steve Smith because there

516
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,199
Speaker 1: are still guys in that range that I think have

517
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 1: just as high of upside if something were to happen,

518
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 1: like the two guys that I talked about was the

519
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 1: new our doorset. You know, if there's a guy that

520
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 1: I'm targeting in that Ravens offense, I think it's still

521
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:43,639
Speaker 1: just Kamar Aiken. Now, one guy that really intrigues me

522
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 1: is Bruce Ellington in that Chip Kelly offense. He's going

523
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:51,160
Speaker 1: number seventy four wide receiver and Ellington is a great athlete.

524
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,120
Speaker 1: Do you think Kelly could utilize him to make him

525
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 1: a really useful fantasy asset or is he just going

526
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 1: to be in the outside looking in. I think it

527
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 1: could be a usable fantasy asset. You know, I don't

528
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 1: think that he has like wide receiver two upside per se,

529
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 1: but I think he certainly could be a wide receiver

530
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 1: three if things go his way. So, you know, because

531
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 1: you know, he doesn't have the size to be this

532
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 1: big touchdown threat, but obviously the speed in the pace

533
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,639
Speaker 1: of that offense is going to lend itself to a

534
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,639
Speaker 1: lot of volume. So obviously Tory Smith is there, but

535
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 1: there's not that much else, which which makes us believe

536
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:22,920
Speaker 1: that Ellington could be the other guy that could break

537
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 1: out and see one hundred plus targets. Anytime that you

538
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 1: can see that kind of volume that late in drafts,

539
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 1: you should you should probably pounce. Now, let's talk about

540
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 1: some of the tight ends that are below fifteen ADPs.

541
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,719
Speaker 1: There anyone that stands out to you that could end

542
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 1: up jumping into the top ten at his position. Yeah,

543
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 1: I think my favorite favorite late rounds almost free tight

544
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 1: end aside from aside from the flyers, I mean, there's

545
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 1: guys like Vance McDonald and Jared Cook, who who have

546
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 1: interesting upside. But I mean a guy who I think

547
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 1: has a high floor as well as having the high upside,

548
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 1: and that's Charles Clay. He got paid a couple of

549
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,919
Speaker 1: years ago. The only real competition for targets in that

550
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 1: offense is Sammy Watkins. Obviously, the quarterback position is now

551
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:07,119
Speaker 1: at least above average overall from an efficiency standpoint. And

552
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 1: despite the fact that they're going to be run first,

553
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:10,639
Speaker 1: if he's their number two target in an offense and

554
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 1: you can see eighteen percent or so of a market share,

555
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: he's gonna see decent volume compared to other tight ends.

556
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 1: So for a guy that's basically free in your drafts

557
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 1: and a guy who got paid and they want to utilize,

558
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,360
Speaker 1: I love Charles Clay. You know, you're the first expert

559
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 1: that I've heard make a compelling case for Charles Clay.

560
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,159
Speaker 1: I haven't heard that before, but you know what, you

561
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 1: may have changed my mind. That's that's definitely an interesting one.

562
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,360
Speaker 1: Now we're going to get away from the deep sleepers

563
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 1: here and we're gonna go talk about some of the

564
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: mid range players. You know, guys who were going fifty

565
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 1: to one hundred overall ADP, and I want to talk

566
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 1: about guys who can end up being top twenty overall

567
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,879
Speaker 1: fantasy players from that range. Are there a few guys

568
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 1: in that range that stand out to you that could

569
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:55,919
Speaker 1: help you win a championship because they just have a

570
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,239
Speaker 1: huge breakout season. Yeah. I think my favorite of all

571
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 1: of them is Dante Moncrief. You know, last season with

572
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 1: Andrew Luck under center, he scored point nine to five

573
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,880
Speaker 1: fewer PPR Fantasy points per game than t Y Hilton did.

574
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 1: Moncrief actually had one more reception than t Why Hilton did.

575
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 1: When when Luck was under center. Um, you know, he

576
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 1: scored a couple more touchdowns than t Why Hilton did,

577
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: which which definitely boosted that Um. But I you know,

578
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,400
Speaker 1: I think that Hilton is the safer bet. But if

579
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:25,919
Speaker 1: you know, if you look at at the way that

580
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 1: this this Indianapolis is Colts offense is kind of uh

581
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 1: kind of looks like there's not that many red zone threats.

582
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 1: It's really Duwayne Allen and Dante Moncrief. And if Dante

583
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 1: Moncrief kind of gets that that touchdown fortune on his

584
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 1: side a bit, and you know, if he becomes a

585
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: it shouldn't shock anyone. If he can become a double

586
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 1: digit touchdown guy. If he can score ten touchdowns. And

587
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: if that's the case, and he's opposite t Y Hilton

588
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 1: and he's seeing similar volume as t why Hilton does

589
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: it wouldn't surprise me at all. If he's a top

590
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 1: five to ten wide receiver this season, it really wouldn't.

591
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 1: I think that he is the go to wide receiver

592
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 1: that could break out. I mean, huge chane of Dante Moncrief.

593
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 1: Everyone who listens to the show knows this. I bring

594
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: him up almost every show. In fact, I'm starting to

595
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: bring him up more than Sterling Shephard just because Shepherd's

596
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: ADPs getting so high and I'm not even sure I

597
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: want to draft him at this point, but you know,

598
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 1: Moncrief's ADPs climb into But I'd still reach from around

599
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: in advance just to make sure I can get him

600
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 1: on my team because I think the breakouts for real, Yeah, absolutely?

601
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 1: Now are they Are there any workhorse running backs in

602
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 1: that range fifty to one hundred and uh? You know,

603
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: like maybe a Richard Jennings or an Arian Foster that

604
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: you could see jumping up into that range. A guy

605
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,439
Speaker 1: that you know, it might not be popular, but someone

606
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: who's you know, with with my running backs. Again, I

607
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: want to associate him with a good quarterback and a

608
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 1: good offense, similar to what we talked about with like

609
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: a David Johnson and a CJ Process earlier, where you

610
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 1: want to you want to associate these guys in offenses

611
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,479
Speaker 1: that he'll he'll have scoring opportunities. And I know this

612
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: is not going to he as popular, but I think

613
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 1: Melvin Gordon has an opportunity. I agree, you know you

614
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: you have look. I know that he looked terrible last

615
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 1: year in terms of his efficiency. He didn't score a touchdown,

616
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: but a lot of that. I mean if you look

617
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 1: at how he performed versus how other running backs in

618
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: the same system performed. I know that the competition wasn't

619
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 1: super fierce, but he was just as efficient, if not

620
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 1: more efficient, than all of those running backs. They improve

621
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: the offensive line, hopefully that'll be better this season. Keenan

622
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 1: Allen's back, which will just help the offense move the

623
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: ball down the field more. The big difference here, what

624
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,719
Speaker 1: Melvin Gordon would need in order to really make that

625
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 1: leap this year is they need to stop feeding Danny

626
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: freaking Woodhead the ball close to the goal line. He

627
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: needs to not be their red zone running back. And

628
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: if Melvin Gordon can secure that and he can actually

629
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: flip the script and become this touchdown scorer and what

630
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: should be a very very effective offense, I think he

631
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 1: has a chance to be that top ten running back

632
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: this season. It's amazing how quickly people forget that Melvin

633
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: Gordon was just amazing in college and everyone was super

634
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: hyped up about him going into the draft, into fantasy

635
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: drafts last year, and nothing really changed except for the

636
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: fact that he just didn't get in the end zone.

637
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: I mean, everyone's hung up on that one staff that

638
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: he has just as many professional touchdowns as Donald Trump.

639
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: It's like that's all that there is too. He's still

640
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: completely as talented, he's healthy, there's no reason that he

641
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: couldn't have a major breakout, and especially with Keenan Allen

642
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: being healthy and that Charger's offensive line, you know, not

643
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: being more injured than maybe any offensive line ever like

644
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: it was last year. I really think this Chargers offense

645
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 1: could be a lot better, and I think Melvin Gordon

646
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: could be a huge beneficiary of that. Yeah, no doubt.

647
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: Now I've been getting this question people who were drafting

648
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: like the seven eight, maybe six spot in their fantasy

649
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: drafts in standard scoring. I've got that question like four

650
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: or five times in the past couple of days, and

651
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: I don't like that spot. It's kind of a dead

652
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: zone to me because once you get past you know,

653
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: the three wide receivers Jones, Beckham, Julio Jones, I'm sorry,

654
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 1: Julio Jones, Beckham, and Antonio Brown and then David Johnson.

655
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: If you're David john guy, maybe Todd Gurley and Ezekiel Elliott.

656
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: After that. I'm not even sure who I would take

657
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: at that point. So I don't know how to respond

658
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: to these people if they're listening, what would you tell them?

659
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: Who would you take at that point? Yeah, So I

660
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 1: think it definitely depends on what your roster construction is

661
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: in terms of your league setting. So I tell people

662
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: all the time, if you if you're starting three wide

663
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: receivers in a PPR league and you can flex a

664
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: wide receiver as well, you're gonna want to be playing

665
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: a wide receiver in that flex spot, which means you're

666
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: starting four wide receivers each week versus only two running backs,

667
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,479
Speaker 1: which increases the demand for wide receivers dramatically. So you're

668
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: gonna probably want to go wide receiver. If that's the case,

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Speaker 1: go with a guy like AJ Green or does Bryant

670
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: if they drop. I happen to like Dez more than

671
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: a DeAndre Hopkins just because of DeAndre hopkins splits last

672
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: season whenever that that Texans defense got got better and

673
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: started actually performing to their expectation. So you know, I

674
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: would definitely be looking I mean, even in a and

675
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: with with those U with that kind of league format.

676
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: AJ Green to me is the fourth overall pick this season.

677
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: But if if it is a more traditional, you know,

678
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: two running back, two wide receivers standard league, I kind

679
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: of just see who falls, you know, if in that tier,

680
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: I would put Dez in aj still in that tier,

681
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: and then I would put a David Johnson, a Todd Gurley,

682
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: and I'm really high. I love Lamar Miller this season.

683
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be that I don't think it's that that

684
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: crazy to take him in the mid and late first round,

685
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: So I would kind of just kind of feel it

686
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: out for that. But again, if you're a wide receiver

687
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 1: heavy league, that's that's a PPR league, I would definitely

688
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: be looking wide receiver there. You know, AJ Green did

689
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 1: end up having very good stats at the end of

690
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: the season, but he had that one game where he

691
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 1: scored forty four Fantasy points in a standard league, and

692
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: beyond that, I mean, he only had five games where

693
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: he was in double digits in a standard league. So

694
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: I'm not really sure what to expect at A Green

695
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: in that in that passing situation. I think the Bengals

696
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: are going to run the ball at ton, their defense

697
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: is gonna win games, and as talented as AJ Green is,

698
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: he may just be the most talented wide receiver on

699
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: the planet. I'm not sure that I want to waste.

700
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: I won't say waste because it's AJ Green, but I'm

701
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: not sure I want to use my first round pick

702
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: on a guy in that type of passing scheme, you

703
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Yeah, I mean it's an absolutely

704
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 1: fair criticism, you know. To me, it's it's more of

705
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: the fact that he could easily see twenty more targets

706
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: than he did last season and really any time in

707
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: his career, just because there's there's really no one there,

708
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: uh in that offense. And I think at this point

709
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: in the NFL, when you have a dominant receiver who's

710
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: getting fed generally speaking, that that that doesn't deter him,

711
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: doesn't make him that much less efficient, just because of

712
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: the rules in the NFL in the way that these

713
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: these receivers can dominate. So that's really the reason that

714
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: that I'm more geared towards going after a guy like

715
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: aj I do think that the defense might take a

716
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: slight hit this this year as well, and they won't

717
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: be as dominant as they have been, which could create

718
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: more negative game scripts, and more negative game scripts just

719
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: means that AJ Green's gonna get fed more. Yeah, And

720
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: that's that's the real thing about Deandrey Hopkins. I mean,

721
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: he was the garbage time monster. He got so many

722
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: yards and touchdowns and garbage time. But the thing about

723
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: about Hopkins is there's so many moving pieces this year.

724
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: He goes from who was their quarterback last year? I

725
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: can't even remember that, the Hoyer, the mallet, I mean,

726
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: it was just crazy. There were a lot of a carousel.

727
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 1: You know, Arian Foster was down, so they were using

728
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 1: a backup running back and Hopkins was really the only

729
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 1: guy on that team. And so now they add pieces

730
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 1: they had Will Fuller, They go out and they get

731
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 1: a Lamar Miller they get a brock Oswiler, but the

732
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:31,439
Speaker 1: thing is they're not going to be playing from down

733
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: in games. I just don't know what to think about

734
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: him because there were so many moving pieces. He could

735
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:40,959
Speaker 1: very well be right there in that top tier again

736
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 1: this year, but I'm not so sure I want to

737
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: take a chance in the first round and a guy

738
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:48,439
Speaker 1: who could regress in a pretty major way. Yeah. I mean, look,

739
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins, there's no doubt he has just as much

740
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 1: talent as anyone else in the league. The problem is,

741
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,879
Speaker 1: if you look at what happened after that Miami game

742
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 1: that the Texans played, the defense started playing well. The

743
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 1: pastor run ratio went from a top five past run

744
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: ratio in the league to a bottom five one over

745
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 1: the second half of the season, and DeAndre hopkins targets

746
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,399
Speaker 1: per game went to over fourteen to under ten over

747
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 1: the second half of the season. So it's a big deal.

748
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: Game script and game flow matters a lot, and it

749
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 1: matters a lot for guy like DeAndre Hopkins because look,

750
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: the first half of the season, DeAndre Hopkins wasn't just

751
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: pacing to have the most targets in the league that year.

752
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 1: He was pacing to have the most targets ever in

753
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 1: NFL history, and that's a that's that's it's it's an

754
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 1: important thing to look at as to why that was

755
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 1: the case. And as you mentioned, it was a lot

756
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: of garbage time. So if they see positive game scripts,

757
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: because they should be a they should have a good defense. Again,

758
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 1: you know that they want to run the ball, and

759
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 1: if they have those positive game scripts, that's not a

760
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: good thing for DeAndre Hopkins. And they're in probably the

761
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: worst division in all of football, so um, you know

762
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 1: they're going to get plenty of games where where like

763
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: you said, they have that positive game script, And the

764
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: more we talk about it, I'm just not so sure

765
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: that I want to touch DeAndre Hopkins, especially with Dez

766
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 1: Bryant sit in there. He's so talented, Tony Romo's healthy apparently,

767
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: and you know when Dez Bryant had when Des Bryant

768
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: had to Marco Murray going as well as he was,

769
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: and now they have Ezekiel Elliott. I think des could

770
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 1: be far and away the number four wide receiver if

771
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: he can stay healthy. Those concussions concern me a little bit, Yeah,

772
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 1: no doubt, all right, And then before I let you go,

773
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: I want to ask you one question. I know that

774
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: you're in the streaming quarterbacks and there's a lot of

775
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: people out there who were thinking about drafting Tom Brady,

776
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: especially after how much Chris Harris was hyping him up

777
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 1: the last episode that we had. And if you draft

778
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: Tom Brady, who's the best guy to go get in

779
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: those first four games? I mean, Joe Flacco has has

780
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: an extremely easy schedule. That would probably be my go

781
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 1: to would probably be Flacco. We actually just published an

782
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 1: article on Number Fire that that looks at early season

783
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 1: schedules from the quarterback position. Matt Ryan's isn't that bad either,

784
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: So you know, just just to get a guy that

785
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 1: can that can give you a nice floor week to

786
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: week I think is fine. But generally speaking, I'm not

787
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: one obviously because I love to stream the position. I'm

788
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: not one that's going to roster multiple quarterbacks throughout my season.

789
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 1: On yeah, I'm not drafting two quarterbacks unless I am

790
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: to get Tom Brady on my team. And the guy

791
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 1: that I found myself drafting that situation when I do

792
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 1: mock drafts is Derek Carr. Because Derek Carr started off

793
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: against the Saints in Week one and we know that's

794
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 1: going to be a shootout, and then he's got three

795
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: other pretty easy matchups. And I just feel like Derek

796
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,879
Speaker 1: Carr because of where he is in his career. There

797
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 1: was all this hype going into the offseason about Derek

798
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 1: Carr taking the next step, maybe eventually becoming a star.

799
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: If he starts out with four real strong weeks, I

800
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 1: think I could trade him after that and then just

801
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 1: settle with only having Tom Brady on my roster. And

802
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,240
Speaker 1: so That's where I've been ending up and I'm just wondering,

803
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: what do you think about Derek car this season. Yeah,

804
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: I think that that's a valid point for sure. You know.

805
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: To me, the way that I look at that situation

806
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 1: in Oakland is that they did everything they could to

807
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: improve the defense. The defense should actually be pretty good

808
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: this year. They did everything they could there. They helped

809
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: the offensive line. I think that they ideally want to

810
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 1: be a running team. They don't want to necessarily put

811
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: the ball in Derek Carr's hands. With that being said,

812
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: as long as you know, if he can improve his

813
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 1: efficiency and he can prove that his regression down the

814
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: second half of last year wasn't just regression and it

815
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: was just because you know the Amark Cooper injury, then sure,

816
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 1: I totally get it. And he's got, like you said,

817
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,879
Speaker 1: a phenomenal early season schedule. So you know a lot

818
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 1: of times you'll find in your drafts that there's just

819
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: some guy that just loves Derek Carr. It might take

820
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 1: him earlier, but if he falls, and I'm fine with

821
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 1: pairing him with Tom Brady. All right, GJ. Well, that's

822
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 1: all the questions we have for you this time. I

823
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 1: really enjoyed chatting with you, and I think you had

824
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: a lot of great insight on these sleep or so

825
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: I'm glad we did this show with you and hoping

826
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:43,359
Speaker 1: to have you on again sometime when the regular season

827
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: gets going. Absolutely, thanks for having me. All right, have

828
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Speaker 1: a great weekend. That's all we have freeing the show today.

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Speaker 1: Next week we'll be doing a two QB mock draft

830
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 1: with Greg Smith, then have Scott Pianowski of Yahoo and

831
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: Matt Harman of NFL dot Com on to get you

832
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 1: ready for your Labor Day weekend drafts. Thanks for listening

833
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: and have a great weekend. I just wanted you to

834
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: watch me just a start and a blue. I don't

835
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: even know how to can the street works like sidekicking

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Speaker 1: in the digging in the sands trouble