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Speaker 2: Starts going well, they ain't in the game plan plan,

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Speaker 3: A one hundred and fifty plays. How do I know

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Speaker 3: It is now now go get over.

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Speaker 4: All my life, grinding all my life, sacrifice, hustle, pet price,

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Speaker 4: one slice got the broc geist, the swap all my life.

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Speaker 4: I've been grinding all my life, all my life, drowning

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Speaker 4: I've been grinding all my life.

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Speaker 3: Hello, welcome to another episode of Club Sha Shay. I

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Speaker 3: am your host, Shennon Sharp. I'm also the proprie of

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Speaker 3: Club Sha Sha stopping by very special guests stopping by

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Speaker 3: for conversation on the drink today. One of the greatest

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Speaker 3: of the winningst quarterbacks in NFL history to with one

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Speaker 3: hundred and forty eight victories when he retired. He's ranked

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Speaker 3: number one in NFL history and fourth quarter comebacks, game

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Speaker 3: He's the first person to win a Super Bowl as

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Speaker 3: He's in the College Football Hall of Fame, Colorado Sports

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Speaker 3: A nine time Pro Bowler, a five time All ALC,

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Speaker 3: and Duke Barney Shavers, my teammate by quarterback. Here you

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Speaker 3: are the living legend, John Ilwick. Tell you what to do?

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Speaker 1: Can you fall me around with all that reduction? Wow,

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Speaker 3: When when you hear all those things, and obviously you've

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's yeah, you do kind of

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Speaker 2: I mean the farther you get away from it, right,

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Speaker 1: The memories, jog your memory. Yeah, it has been that

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Speaker 2: Right, so to go back and jog and remember all

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Speaker 3: It's really fun to have you on Club Shape Shape.

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Speaker 3: Do you remember when Club Sha Shape started?

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Speaker 3: Remember nineteen ninety six Wes in training camp, Keith Burns

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Speaker 3: Why was it so important for you? Because you you

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Speaker 1: Number one, I liked doing it.

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Speaker 3: You like trying to take our money exactly.

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Speaker 2: You know, I think that you know, it's I get

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Speaker 3: In today's game. Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 2: And my comment is no, because I had such a

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Speaker 2: Obviously the game's changed, correct, The rules have changed, athletes

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Speaker 1: He was we talked about.

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Speaker 2: So you know, that's why it's like I loved playing

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Speaker 3: You know, we told that we had we had, we

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Speaker 2: But then we'd have hat day on ye go, hey,

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Speaker 2: So I'd go up and visit Mike and get a

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Speaker 3: So I would share a story that I've never shared

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Speaker 3: fishing tournament. Yeah, first fish, biggest fish, most fish. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But even that, on top of that fishing, just getting

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think we played golf that one day.

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Speaker 3: What was it about what you saw in me? Because

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I think you know you're having this

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Speaker 3: He said, don't worry about it. Just we're gonna put

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Speaker 3: Back to that play. Normally, we practiced the plays during

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Speaker 2: now we're we're there's less maybe right, less than two

436
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Speaker 2: minutes ago.

437
00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:42,320
Speaker 1: We're third and six, and we need this first out.

438
00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:44,000
Speaker 1: Could I believe if we don't.

439
00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:45,199
Speaker 3: We don't get the first out, we're gonna lose this game.

440
00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:45,760
Speaker 1: We're gonna lose.

441
00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:48,080
Speaker 3: We don't lose. They had they had all the momentum.

442
00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:49,400
Speaker 2: All the momentum, and I think it was twenty one

443
00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:52,480
Speaker 2: to twenty. I can't remember the score, but we this

444
00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:54,400
Speaker 2: was the play, were to make this player. We don't

445
00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:58,119
Speaker 2: time out. Go to the sideline, Gary and microve there

446
00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:01,600
Speaker 2: and say okay, Gary carries there and say what we're

447
00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:03,520
Speaker 2: gonna go three twenty four all hitch. I said, okay,

448
00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:06,520
Speaker 2: that's fine, Dad. It was a TV timeout. So I

449
00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:09,159
Speaker 2: get back to the hitle and I just said, tell

450
00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:11,040
Speaker 2: everybody what we're doing. We're going three twenty four all

451
00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:13,960
Speaker 2: hitch and I told everybody to get past get down

452
00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:16,359
Speaker 2: past the first four no mark, And it was you know.

453
00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:19,240
Speaker 3: We were with sco Impy. Yeah.

454
00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:23,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it was just go down past the mark

455
00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:26,040
Speaker 2: and I'm going to take the best look right and

456
00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:30,159
Speaker 2: try to get the first down. I say, it's three

457
00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:31,600
Speaker 2: twenty four all hits and all of a sudden, and

458
00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,640
Speaker 2: now we've run three twenty four all hitch the whole year.

459
00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:37,000
Speaker 2: I mean, it's like we ran it in training camp.

460
00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:40,960
Speaker 2: It's in our base installation every year that started back

461
00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:44,760
Speaker 2: in May. Starts going, well, it ain't in the game

462
00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:48,760
Speaker 2: plan plan, and I said it is, now, so go

463
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Speaker 2: down seven yards.

464
00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:54,159
Speaker 3: He said go get open because I had memorized the

465
00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:56,440
Speaker 3: play because, like you say it, I didn't really know.

466
00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:58,639
Speaker 3: Like when I came in, I was so wrong. And

467
00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:00,600
Speaker 3: so I made him out the note every play that

468
00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:02,399
Speaker 3: was in the game plan, and I'm like, that's not

469
00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,600
Speaker 3: in the game plan. That's not one hundred and fifty plays.

470
00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:07,600
Speaker 3: How do I know one play that's not that's not

471
00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:10,000
Speaker 3: in the game play. It is now, now go get over.

472
00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:13,400
Speaker 3: If we get the hardest coverage, they go Cover five,

473
00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:17,159
Speaker 3: which is man two under. But the backer is up

474
00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:19,520
Speaker 3: is playing underneath, and I don't realize it until I

475
00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:23,800
Speaker 3: turn around. It's Greg Lloyd, Jason Gilden Jason Gilden Jason

476
00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:26,320
Speaker 3: Gilder all he had to do. If he does this,

477
00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:28,840
Speaker 3: the ball hits the back of his hand in history.

478
00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:31,160
Speaker 3: But he tried to swipe. Yeah, and by the time

479
00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:33,200
Speaker 3: he did this, the ball was already there. And I

480
00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:36,720
Speaker 3: spends away and I get the and I was like, Lord,

481
00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:37,280
Speaker 3: have mercy.

482
00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:40,560
Speaker 1: Well Leah Cotton found her here.

483
00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:44,160
Speaker 3: It came because I just remember in ninety one, John,

484
00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:46,800
Speaker 3: we had a situation against the Raiders where our style

485
00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:49,160
Speaker 3: and I dropped the ball in the south end zone

486
00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:52,320
Speaker 3: and a lineup tight. They motioned me out and they

487
00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,320
Speaker 3: walk the backer out and I'm like, one on one,

488
00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:57,760
Speaker 3: I got it, got it. If I catch this ball,

489
00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,879
Speaker 3: we're gonna have home field throughout the playoffs. I drop it.

490
00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:03,679
Speaker 3: We end up having to go to Buffalo. We end

491
00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:06,000
Speaker 3: up losing the Buffalo in the FC Chesship ten to seven.

492
00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:08,720
Speaker 3: And I just remember thinking that I was going home

493
00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:11,119
Speaker 3: and I was I was crying. I called my brother, said, man,

494
00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:13,000
Speaker 3: I just messed up. He said, what happened? I said,

495
00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:15,119
Speaker 3: I dropped the touchdown and I know it would have

496
00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,320
Speaker 3: given us home field throughout the playoffs. He said, don't

497
00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:20,120
Speaker 3: worry about it. You'll get another opportunity, and it took

498
00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:24,200
Speaker 3: six years basically for that opportunity to present itself. I said,

499
00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:26,639
Speaker 3: if I ever put get back in this situation, I

500
00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:30,040
Speaker 3: ain't letting this happen again. And man, that was I

501
00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:31,960
Speaker 3: don't think. I don't think. We sat down the plane

502
00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,359
Speaker 3: was taken off, we were still standing up. That's the

503
00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:36,920
Speaker 3: best part about charter fights because they don't really tell

504
00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:38,520
Speaker 3: you what to do. We kind of like do our

505
00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:42,119
Speaker 3: own thing. That was of all the super Bowls and

506
00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:45,160
Speaker 3: all the that's probably my greatest moment. There was nothing

507
00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,320
Speaker 3: like that. I mean, obviously the beating the package in

508
00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:49,879
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl. But what was your favorite play? Though?

509
00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:50,399
Speaker 4: Me and you?

510
00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:52,240
Speaker 3: What's your favorite play? Was it that you and I?

511
00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:55,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I talk about all the time. But

512
00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:56,760
Speaker 1: we you know, we had some many we had it,

513
00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:56,960
Speaker 1: you know.

514
00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,359
Speaker 2: And the thing is and this this thing is you know,

515
00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,120
Speaker 2: that's why I did this netflix you get this ain't

516
00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,200
Speaker 2: gone so I can remember different, right, But you know,

517
00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:06,119
Speaker 2: that's the one that always sticks out to me. And

518
00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:09,800
Speaker 2: plus plus that was so funny when you well.

519
00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:13,160
Speaker 3: That ain't the game said it is now he realized

520
00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,320
Speaker 3: he's like I remember him asking me, like, why did

521
00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:18,280
Speaker 3: your boys do that when you get he said, are

522
00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,440
Speaker 3: you doing Are you doing that on purposes? Like, nah,

523
00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:24,440
Speaker 3: it's just like when I get excited, it goes like

524
00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:28,680
Speaker 3: three octaves. Because but I remember in the Netflix you

525
00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,320
Speaker 3: was like the David Brandon play in Seattle in the

526
00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,000
Speaker 3: old Kingdome. People don't realize if you never played it,

527
00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:37,280
Speaker 3: how loud that place. Yeah, that place get got loud.

528
00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:39,960
Speaker 3: It was only like what fifty five sixty thousand, but

529
00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:41,600
Speaker 3: they're like right there on top of you.

530
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:43,359
Speaker 1: And it was on some match.

531
00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:46,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the noise bounced off everything. And so that

532
00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:49,000
Speaker 2: was by far the noisiest place of yet where that

533
00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:49,520
Speaker 2: we played.

534
00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,000
Speaker 3: And we uh, this was this had to be ninety

535
00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:55,720
Speaker 3: This was ninety three. When you take the shotgun, snap

536
00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,800
Speaker 3: and he comes in unblocked. Now, I don't know of

537
00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:00,560
Speaker 3: all the things why you did, and because a lot

538
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,800
Speaker 3: of times you would like to spin out, but this this,

539
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,920
Speaker 3: for whatever reason, you just dunk up under. Yeah, and

540
00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,760
Speaker 3: flat footage throws the ball about sixty yards. Yeah, And

541
00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,920
Speaker 3: we had all scenes on and I got played black

542
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:15,199
Speaker 3: and for a touchdown? Did you like you like, oh

543
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:16,080
Speaker 3: he got there somewhere?

544
00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:18,320
Speaker 1: Well no, I mean that was one of my you know,

545
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:19,480
Speaker 1: and you're right, you know.

546
00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:21,320
Speaker 2: And the thing is, there's so many things when when

547
00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:23,600
Speaker 2: you're playing, you know, And that's why I don't think

548
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,080
Speaker 2: i'd have been a good coach, because there's a lot

549
00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:27,080
Speaker 2: of things that I can't explain.

550
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:29,159
Speaker 1: Why I did things right or why I reacted.

551
00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:32,440
Speaker 2: You just react right, and so you know, in that situation,

552
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:34,800
Speaker 2: it was probably because there was nowhere to go go

553
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,479
Speaker 2: anywhere else and he was coming so hard. Yes, right,

554
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 2: so you know I was able to duck and then

555
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,720
Speaker 2: you know, get the ball to you. But that was

556
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 2: you know, that's one of my favorite plays that I've

557
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,359
Speaker 2: had too, as far as you know, in my career

558
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:48,879
Speaker 2: that you know, I was able to put it on

559
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,480
Speaker 2: the money to you and at least avoid that's act.

560
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 3: I remember in meetings we used to sit next to

561
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,240
Speaker 3: each other and it's cool that they're going through the

562
00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,240
Speaker 3: game plan. I would write on your like, Okay, this

563
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,280
Speaker 3: week seemed like like two fifty two touchdowns. You give

564
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:05,360
Speaker 3: me the thumbs up this Sometimes just to message, I'm like, yeah,

565
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 3: this seems like maybe one hundred and seventy five y'all

566
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 3: a touchdown? You like crossed that out? No, I'm thinking

567
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 3: like three hundred and three days. But when when? What

568
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 3: was it about our chemistry and I make up? Because

569
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,159
Speaker 3: we did a lot of things in practice and I

570
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 3: was like, I was like, this seems a little long.

571
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know if I'm gonna have time,

572
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 3: and I want to and you was like, Okay, run

573
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,119
Speaker 3: it like this in practice because I know you're going

574
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 3: to speed it up in the game. Because we had that,

575
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,399
Speaker 3: we had that interaction what they would call because at

576
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 3: the end of the day then like, well, why'd you

577
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:35,879
Speaker 3: do it like that? I say, because the guy that

578
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:37,200
Speaker 3: has the ball, he was gonna throw me the ball.

579
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,440
Speaker 3: He told me to run it like that. You didn't

580
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,200
Speaker 3: have no ball, so I'm missing it to him.

581
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, you're right sayings Shannon.

582
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,919
Speaker 2: There was just a you know, we just had that, right,

583
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:48,879
Speaker 2: we thought of like we talked a lot about it,

584
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 2: as you said, and I think and the thing is,

585
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,399
Speaker 2: I had so much confidence in you, right, and so

586
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 2: that to me is what And I I just knew

587
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,119
Speaker 2: that we're getting a good and I knew that if

588
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 2: I put it close, wasn't gonna get paid right, right,

589
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 2: because I was not always on target. You know that

590
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 2: it wasn't, but just the confidence that I had in

591
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 2: knew that, you know it was. I got another story

592
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,200
Speaker 2: I'll bring up, and I can't remember what I think

593
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,440
Speaker 2: it was. I've been there, laugh my last year in

594
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 2: ninety nine, and I remember we're playing here and I

595
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,159
Speaker 2: get pressure or something like that, and I have to

596
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:20,639
Speaker 2: throw the ball to the front side and you're on

597
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 2: the back side.

598
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 1: And they didn't even cover you, right, and you're over there.

599
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,680
Speaker 2: He's waving and he's flowing his arms down and I'm

600
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 2: looking at him like we get to the sideline.

601
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 1: I said, don't you ever do that to me again?

602
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 2: I said, I couldn't see I was getting pressure, and said,

603
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 2: don't make me look, you know, don't don't like I

604
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:40,119
Speaker 2: was supposed to be looking at you because the reads

605
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 2: on the other side you weren't even in the progression.

606
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 3: I would not. So you want to play water back,

607
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 3: you can back. No, I can't think.

608
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:50,880
Speaker 1: So I was still mad at him. So the next

609
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 1: week in practice, I wouldn't throwing the ball that was

610
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,680
Speaker 1: show I was showing yet, I mean I would, I would.

611
00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 3: I forgot it. You know what I forgot all about it?

612
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 3: That was that was absolutely right. I'm like, well, I

613
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 3: remember asking people. I was like, what am I doing?

614
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 3: I run all these routes. I'm supposed to be one

615
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 3: of the progression. He going two to three. I think

616
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 3: it's a bull time man.

617
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 2: And so you get to Friday and he is now mad.

618
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 2: He's going to Brian Perry, on to the tight end coach,

619
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 2: and then Brian grass me. He goes, what would you

620
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 2: please throw the ball the shannon.

621
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 1: I said, well, you make sure that he's not gonna

622
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 1: show me off in the middle in front of seventy

623
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 1: six thousand people. Again, he goes, okay, no he won't.

624
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 1: I promise you would. I said, okay, he's learned his lesson.

625
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 3: Trash talk. Did you did you ever do any trash talk?

626
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 3: Or do I do it? Did enough?

627
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 1: If you took care of you you were great at right,

628
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 1: so you you handled most of that. No, I didn't really.

629
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 2: You know, I get some more small chippings of guys

630
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,399
Speaker 2: at defensive lineman and da da da dah. But you know,

631
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 2: especially if you know later in the game and you

632
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,400
Speaker 2: get mad or something like that, then you know small.

633
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 2: But I I never liked you know how many times guys? Yeah, Well,

634
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 2: I'm coming to get you, And I said, well, you

635
00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 2: know where I'll be right.

636
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 1: I'll be right here, right, you gotta get to these

637
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 1: five first, I'll be right here.

638
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 3: But now that wasn't you know?

639
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 2: There's enough going on, you know, with next play and

640
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:08,919
Speaker 2: figuring out down in distance and all the different things

641
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 2: you have to do as a quarterback that I didn't

642
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 2: waste a lot of time with it.

643
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 3: I love the fact I think we played Indy. We

644
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 3: played Indy here in ninety three and you threw a

645
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 3: pass and Steve Tman with the number one pick in

646
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 3: the draft, and he knocked it. He batted the ball down,

647
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,120
Speaker 3: and he's going crazy. You're like, bro, you're the number

648
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:24,880
Speaker 3: one pick in the draft. You're supposed to knock it down.

649
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 3: We come back to the very next flight and throw

650
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 3: a touchdown. He's like, I guess you did knock that

651
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 3: one down. I'm like, oh, my quarterback, you're talking a

652
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 3: little trash. Uh. The Super Bowls you went to five

653
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 3: started five? Which one was the toughest loss? Or were

654
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 3: they all the things?

655
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:47,159
Speaker 4: You know?

656
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,719
Speaker 2: The last you know, the last one against the Niners, right,

657
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 2: because that was a third one, right? And so they

658
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 2: got progressively worse and we played progressively worse, and you know,

659
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 2: and against the Giants, and the first one in eighty.

660
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,400
Speaker 1: Six, you know, we played a great first half.

661
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 2: We just didn't we you know, and then we you know,

662
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 2: Rich Carlos made the longest field goal in Super Bowl history,

663
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 2: and then we missed one. We had first and goal

664
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 2: on the one right before half and came away with

665
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 2: no point. So I ended up going away going into

666
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 2: halftime ten nine. And so that one, you know, we

667
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 2: played really good the first half, and then the Giants

668
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 2: just kind of steamrolled that second half, you know, the

669
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 2: second half, and so that was disappointing, but it was

670
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:24,439
Speaker 2: all right.

671
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 1: It was the first one. They were good. They beat us.

672
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: And then the next year we go and we're actually

673
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 1: favorites against the Redskins.

674
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,880
Speaker 3: Get up to the great start. You think you started nothing.

675
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: We're up ten. The first play of the game, we

676
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 1: throw bomber. Could we go up seven?

677
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 4: Right?

678
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 2: And then then there's a they had kicked off they

679
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 2: we kicked off whatnot? We got a funble, didn't get it,

680
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 2: and then it was like nineteen plays later we're down

681
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,159
Speaker 2: thirty five to ten, right, So and then we had

682
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 2: a bad We were probably five hundred in eighty eight

683
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 2: and then eighty nine were playing the forty.

684
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:59,120
Speaker 1: Nine ers, and you know, they were like they were machines.

685
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 2: And the funny thing is we were in practice in

686
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 2: tu lane and back then we just had the two

687
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,120
Speaker 2: quarterbacks as Gary and I, and so we'd always we'd

688
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 2: split when we're taking the offense, I'd go for, Gary,

689
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 2: go too, and then when scout team, Gary go.

690
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 1: For and I'd go to.

691
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 2: So we're down and practicing that too lane down in

692
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 2: New Orleans, and you know, we're we're kind of tearing

693
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 2: them up and as a scout team, and we're throwing

694
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 2: these posts right because our reads, we're reading it like

695
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,439
Speaker 2: we're supposed to and our reads there's no free safety,

696
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 2: and so you know, John Taylor and Jerry Rides are

697
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 2: running post either side, and so we're hitting these posts.

698
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: Wow.

699
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 2: And so Charlie, our defensive corderate, Charlie Wider, is gussing,

700
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 2: how only goes stop throwing the post. They don't sew

701
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 2: the post right, And I'm like, well, that's the West

702
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 2: Coast offense.

703
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: I grew up with that in college.

704
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 2: That's all we threw. And one of the first reads

705
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 2: was there's always a built in post. Absolutely, there's always

706
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 2: a built in post. And so's there's no free safety.

707
00:28:58,360 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 2: That's your first read.

708
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: I was like, uh oh, the jump it. Yeah, we

709
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 1: stopped telling that, we stopped selling the posts and Jerry.

710
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 3: Ends up scarting. He touched down on the posts.

711
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 2: But you know, we were just out man there and

712
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:13,959
Speaker 2: they were a much better football team than we were.

713
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 2: So that was the toughest one, just because now all

714
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 2: of a sudden, it's like here comes. Can't win the

715
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 2: big one, you know, dad? And so that was that

716
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 2: one lingered for a long time. Actually, you know, it

717
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 2: takes eight years to get back until how did that?

718
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 3: How did that? How did that mess with you mentally?

719
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 3: Because in eighty seven you won the m v P

720
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 3: and you were one of you were the highest graded

721
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 3: player at that point in time to ever come out

722
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 3: of come out of college. Mailchrift was gray. You was

723
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:42,719
Speaker 3: like the no, you were supposed to the goal, You're

724
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 3: supposed to win, like have for of these things by now, right,

725
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 3: And now all of a sudden you're suffering the most

726
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 3: lopsided Super Bowl losses. Then they're progressively getting worse and worse.

727
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 3: And I remember you told a story like, damn, I

728
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 3: don't even want to go back if we ain't got

729
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 3: no better chance to wear to what we got. So

730
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 3: so how was that? How was that dealing with you?

731
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 3: How was that mentally on you? You know it was

732
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 3: it was.

733
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 2: The thing is you couldn't get away from it, Yes, right,

734
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 2: you couldn't get away from it, because that's all the

735
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 2: media wanted to talk about, right is the fact is

736
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 2: you know, your will your career be complete if you

737
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 2: don't win a suit create right, And so I lived

738
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 2: my whole life saying well, yeah, yeah.

739
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 1: I'd be proud of it, which is which is not true.

740
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,719
Speaker 2: I knew that, you know, for me to be considered

741
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 2: a great player, great quarterback, that we had to win

742
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 2: a super Bowl at some point in time. And so

743
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 2: you know that's the hardest thing was you couldn't, Like

744
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 2: I said, you couldn't. We couldn't escape it because it

745
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 2: got brought up every year, right, and each year when

746
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 2: we make the playoffs, it was the first round. It

747
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 2: was like a round you know that'd come back, and

748
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 2: it'd come back, and it'd come back, and so but

749
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 2: on top of that, it also added more incentive, right,

750
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 2: and and so it can't be working hard, and you know,

751
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 2: you were a great influence. I mean I thought I

752
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 2: worked hard in the weight room until I saw you room,

753
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 2: and you know, and I got pretty strong. I always

754
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 2: remember too, which I was the Great Unveiling.

755
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 3: I see, we don't talk. I don't know about those

756
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 3: they don't.

757
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 2: Know about it, about the Great Unveiling. Yeah, so we

758
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 2: made you know, we'd work out four times a week,

759
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 2: and Shannon was in there. We don't getting in there

760
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 2: both at the same time. And obviously he was working

761
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 2: with a different group.

762
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 3: And I was.

763
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 2: But he would always wear his big baggy shirts and long,

764
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 2: long sleeves, and so he's just sit there and he'd

765
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 2: work his tail off, and you know, it just get

766
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 2: like like the Hulk. And so at the end, at

767
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,959
Speaker 2: the end of the off season program every year, uh,

768
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 2: it'd be we call it the Great Unveiling.

769
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: And that's when Shannon would take his his shirt off.

770
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 2: And go It's like show everything that he'd worked for

771
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 2: in the last four weeks. So that went on for

772
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 2: my last six years. It was always when's when's the

773
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 2: Great Unvailing.

774
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 3: I wouldn't even shower with nobody, so they never they

775
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 3: never saw me as always I was always lonely, always covered,

776
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 3: and he was asked me, I even practiced like that

777
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 3: for you know, I always practice would long leave and

778
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 3: he's like, why do you do that? It's you know,

779
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 3: a bailey, you guys top sea. You can't see. You

780
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 3: can't see until you see and then you know, it's

781
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 3: like damn. He's like, what do you eat? Your dad like,

782
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 3: what do you eat? Do you eat anything? Because you know,

783
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 3: I brought my own food, uh uh and everything. I

784
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 3: was always diligent about what I ate. I didn't have

785
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 3: any sauces anything like that because I felt, you know,

786
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 3: the work I put in the off season, I wasn't

787
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 3: gonna ruin it once I got back in season. So

788
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 3: I stayed conscious of that.

789
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 2: But that what but the yeah, yeah, the great all

790
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 2: but getting back to the fact that, you know, it

791
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 2: was just a matter added a little more fuel of

792
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 2: the fire, you know, and then you know, Dan got

793
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 2: fired and then Wade came in.

794
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: There was kind of some excitement there. We won eight

795
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: and eight to two years.

796
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:40,719
Speaker 3: Now, we went to the We went to the playoff

797
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 3: in the first year.

798
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, well played the Raiders back to back right one.

799
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: We got to La home and then back to La.

800
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 3: Yes, if we have won that game, they'd had to

801
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 3: come here. Correct, they beat us? And I remember that game.

802
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 3: We you, we were cooking them me and you were

803
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 3: cooking them. We got off to the great start, and

804
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 3: that's the game I needed. Uh. I think I needed

805
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty one yards to get a thousand,

806
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 3: and I was gonna get one hundred thousand dollars. That

807
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:04,719
Speaker 3: was one hundred dollars. Was a lot of money back.

808
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 3: It still is, but it was really, really, really a

809
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 3: lot of money back there because considered that I was

810
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 3: only making like three hundred thousand, and I remember I

811
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 3: caught six for a buck, fifteen and two touchdowns and

812
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 3: then I looked at the stat sheet and I had

813
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 3: nine ninety five and I was like, god, dang. Because

814
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 3: on the plane we always sot across from each other,

815
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 3: so I was sitting on this side and the hour,

816
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 3: you sitting on that side. In the hour, and you're like, tee,

817
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 3: what what you know? Besides we lost the game? What happened?

818
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 3: I said, Man, if I got a thousand yards i'd had,

819
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 3: i'd have got one hundred thousand dollars. I only needed

820
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 3: five yards. And you looked at me, and you said,

821
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 3: don't ever let that happen again. I don't care. If

822
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 3: you need twenty five yards, you tell me, I'll get

823
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,239
Speaker 3: you the ball, and then we go back out there

824
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 3: to following. You throw me thirteen for a buck fifty six.

825
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 3: I said, I needed thirteen for a buck fifty six

826
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 3: last week. But what what type of toll did that

827
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 3: take on at home? Did I take a toll on

828
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 3: home losing like that? Knowing? And I tell this is

829
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 3: what I tell people teach. I say, the harder you

830
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 3: work for something and when it doesn't come to fruition,

831
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 3: the more it hurts. Yeah, I said, if you work

832
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 3: for I don't care what it is. If you work

833
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 3: for something really hard and when it doesn't pan out,

834
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,919
Speaker 3: it hurts like hell. Anybody tells you it doesn't they're

835
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 3: not working hard enough. It doesn't mean enough to it exactly.

836
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: And I think that, yeah, I mean it does.

837
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 2: You know, the disappointment and as you know, the older

838
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 2: you get, you know, you know, my dad always said,

839
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 2: don't ever let winning be a relief and losing be

840
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 2: a tragedy, right, yes, and that and the older you get,

841
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:27,879
Speaker 2: that's kind of you know, that's when you know you're

842
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 2: kind of getting close to the end because now of

843
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 2: a sudden you really don't get the joy because football

844
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 2: is hard enough, yes, that if you don't enjoy the

845
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 2: victories no as much as you hate the losses, it

846
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 2: doesn't balance out. It's lobsite and makes it that much tougher.

847
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 2: But you know, I think that, and I had a

848
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 2: thought right there on what you had just said as hard, oh,

849
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 2: working hard. The thing that I learned there though, was

850
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 2: because I know going in those first three Super Bowls

851
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 2: that I tried harder each time, right right, And one

852
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 2: thing I learned is the bigger the game, the let

853
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 2: you you got to you gotta calm yourself down and

854
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 2: relax yourself to where you're saying, Okay, I'm gonna go

855
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 2: out and play the best game I've ever played.

856
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: I gotta play great, I gotta do this, I gotta

857
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 1: do that, I.

858
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 2: Gotta do this, which all that does is adding more

859
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 2: pressure to you, just like going into Super Bowl thirty two,

860
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 2: like all right, don't think about the outcome, forget about

861
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 2: the outcome. Take it one day at one play at

862
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,879
Speaker 2: a time, don't think about it, and don't watch TV.

863
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 2: Stay out of all the hooplah, right, and just go

864
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 2: play a football game and don't think about it being

865
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl anything else, to where you're not putting

866
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 2: that much more pressure on you. Because by the time

867
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 2: I got to San Francisco on that third one, I'm

868
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 2: sitting and going I'm gonna have to win this by myself, right,

869
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 2: which is the worst thing you can do, and all

870
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 2: I did and I played terrible, right, So going into

871
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 2: that Super Bowl thirty game was the fact that okay,

872
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 2: let's just go concentrate on one play. Don't think about,

873
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 2: don't even don't even think about it what it would

874
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 2: feel like to be world champions, right, right, don't even

875
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 2: don't let that enter your mind. Go out and play

876
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 2: a football game, and everything else will fall in line.

877
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 2: And so that was kind of the you know, jumping

878
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,280
Speaker 2: ahead a little bit, but that's what my thought process.

879
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 1: Was going into the Green Bay game. And you know,

880
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: I played better there and we were able to win

881
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: the football.

882
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 3: But it got so bad after those losses that you

883
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 3: had to have they had policees behind it because you

884
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,280
Speaker 3: started getting death there. I mean, they had police standing

885
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 3: behind you just to make sure ain't nobody get you

886
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 3: at the game.

887
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, it's like in the first Super Bowl

888
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,359
Speaker 2: we lost, we had like five hundred thousand people at

889
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 2: the parade, and the last one we lost, there's like

890
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 2: twenty thousand people.

891
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 3: But in the Green Bay, the one that we won,

892
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 3: did you think we could lose? Because I went to

893
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 3: maybe it was just naive take, but I didn't think

894
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 3: we could lose. I didn't think Green Baking beatles.

895
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: I didn't either, especially with the game plan that we have. Yes,

896
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 1: and Mike and Gary did such a great job of

897
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 1: that game plan.

898
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 2: If you remember we split you out the whole game, Yes,

899
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 2: to get Leroy Butler out of out of the box,

900
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 2: because Leroy Butler was playing strong safety, and he would

901
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 2: mess He never knew where he was gonna be. He'd

902
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 2: mess up the running game, he'd mess everything up. And

903
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,320
Speaker 2: that's why I think Gary and Mike did such a

904
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 2: fantastic job put him outside. Plus they knew how good

905
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 2: they were were in the secondary, two great corners and

906
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 2: uh Robinson in pre safety, that they were that good

907
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 2: that you know, we're gonna have to run the football

908
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 2: right and by spreading everybody out, getting you out, getting

909
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 2: le Roy Butler out out of the ball, so he

910
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 2: couldn't screw things up, and then TD just you know,

911
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:17,879
Speaker 2: went crazy for us, and and uh.

912
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 3: I just often asked. I said, man, I wonder what

913
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 3: how many yards he would have had had he not

914
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 3: missed the entire second quarter? Yeah, because he had one

915
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 3: fifty seventy three quarters, right, he might have been he

916
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 3: might have broke Timmy Smith's record.

917
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: No, no question, no question, because he was.

918
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 2: And that's the thing is. And I remember too, green

919
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 2: Bay putting there. The next guy they put down was

920
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:36,240
Speaker 2: a d lineman.

921
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 3: Yes, right, And.

922
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 2: So our guys up front, Nayland's threat Zimmerman, Habib and

923
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:44,280
Speaker 2: Tony Jones.

924
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: I mean, they just they absolutely warm them out.

925
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 3: Did you get that that game? I don't think you got.

926
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:51,879
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I don't think so. We didn't

927
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: throw it. We threw it like twenty three twenty four times, right,

928
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 1: but no, they just warm out.

929
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 3: I remember Gilbert Brown grip on one. D oh, he

930
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,320
Speaker 3: go the sideline, look at it. I know.

931
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 1: I remember in that game too.

932
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 2: Remember late in the game, it's like we're going in

933
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 2: the score, last touchdown, yes, and green Band called time

934
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 2: out and I went to the sideline and.

935
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: I said, because we're on the one yard line.

936
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 2: So and they had a couple of time time out,

937
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 2: slept and so I went and I said, I said, Mike,

938
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 2: let me let me nose dive, let me sneak it

939
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 2: to the half yard line. Make them use another time

940
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 2: out because they're not going to stop us right right.

941
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 2: And then I don't think that we gotta score the points.

942
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 3: But you know, and then that's when the one they

943
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 3: just they talked about, well we let him score it,

944
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 3: y'all hadn't stopped the ball day.

945
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 1: They didn't let us score. They want they wanted the ball.

946
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 3: They wanted the ball because they just opened like like,

947
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 3: well damn, we did a great job on that. And

948
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 3: you see Eugenie Robinson he comes down, he basically two hands,

949
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 3: touches like okay, they get the ball back. And then

950
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 3: I remember, uh, Greg Robinson, rest your soul. He's like, Mike,

951
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 3: what do you how do you want to call it?

952
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 3: And Mike was telling him, like, just just do what

953
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 3: you're always doing. Greg. What the pressure guy? Greg loved

954
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 3: the brain pressure. And I remember the last call and

955
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 3: he's on the sideline bomb blow it up, fourth and ten,

956
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 3: blow it up.

957
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: And that's what because we don't Steve that water.

958
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 3: Steve Well, Steve knocked Thatt like he knocked out there

959
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 3: guys in. One of my guys at that point ran

960
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 3: to hear you and Robert Brooks and himself. Yeah, Crockett

961
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 3: tail pulled his hamstring. So he's out right. So we're

962
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 3: down three DB's in the secondary right, And so I

963
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:29,879
Speaker 3: was like, oh lord. And then when I saw Greg

964
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 3: on the sideline, tell him blow it up. I said, oh, man, yeah, yeah,

965
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 3: and they and uh, I was like, man, it seemed

966
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 3: like it's slow motion. It was just I'd be like,

967
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 3: I'm looking, Okay, he's back, he throws the ball. I'm

968
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 3: tracking the ball, and I was like, momy picked he

969
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 3: but he been dropping them all all year, so I'm

970
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 3: not surprising on the why. I thought you'd gonna catch it.

971
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 3: And then I realized it's like and we just rrupt

972
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 3: and we're standing next to each other and it's like

973
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,720
Speaker 3: were running onto the field. Man. That is the greatest feeling.

974
00:39:58,880 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 4: That was.

975
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 3: That is the great.

976
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 2: The greatest win I ever had, by far the fact

977
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 2: that they raised some of those other things, but it

978
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 2: was just yeah, I can still remember the feeling, and

979
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 2: it's just.

980
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 3: And the second was hard.

981
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: It was hard to believe.

982
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 3: Yes, it take us.

983
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 2: It probably took me three days or a week to

984
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 2: really figure out that we're world champions.

985
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:18,800
Speaker 3: Yes, it was. And then we get back to that

986
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 3: parade and we see a million fans out there. It's like, yeah,

987
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 3: it was unbelievable.

988
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: Special time.

989
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 3: But you know, the year before, like you said, we're

990
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 3: thirteen and three. I mean we're cruising, We're crushing everybody.

991
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 3: I mean the game the last game you didn't play.

992
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 3: I didn't play, TV didn't play. We played the Chargers.

993
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 3: We had everything sewn up, and Mike like, hey, we

994
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 3: shu gonna take this time, don't even worry about it,

995
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 3: blah blah blah. And then we get jagged. They had

996
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 3: just been a team, they just came into the league

997
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 3: in ninety five. Oh yeah, we got these bums. Yeah,

998
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 3: and we got out to it. I remember we got

999
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 3: out to a twelve nothing league. We go for two.

1000
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 3: You split our split out wide left, we throw the

1001
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 3: slant and I don't open up far enough and I

1002
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:59,359
Speaker 3: was like, damn, so it's twelve nothing instead of fourteen nothing.

1003
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 3: And then the next three quarters it was like a dream.

1004
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 3: It was like a nightmare. Yeah, I mean everything, we

1005
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 3: got a shallow we got the perfect play call on

1006
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 3: the shallow cross. I mean the guy gets picked, you

1007
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 3: throw it and in the process of me pulling in in,

1008
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 3: I punch it out on my knee. Yeah.

1009
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 2: It was one of those days, right, I mean you

1010
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 2: have those days and Brunelle and the Jags will they

1011
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 2: played really well.

1012
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: Brenelle threw the ball really well and put it on target.

1013
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 1: So that, though, I think was what led to the

1014
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: next two years.

1015
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 2: Yes, that incentive of knowing how bad that one hurt,

1016
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 2: you know, because I'm looking at it too.

1017
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: It's like those Super Bowls were bad. That one was

1018
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 1: just as bad too, Yes, because I'm in my I

1019
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 1: was in my fourteenth year that year.

1020
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:41,399
Speaker 4: Yeh.

1021
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: And I mean that that that windows is really close.

1022
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 2: Yes, So you know that was as big as you know,

1023
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 2: toughest losses, you know, and I had had counting the

1024
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 2: Super Bowls and so what do you think it? You know,

1025
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 2: it's set up the next two years for us, incentive wise,

1026
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 2: you know, and us thinking about how good we were

1027
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 2: and start concentrating, like you just said, we got these bombs, right,

1028
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 2: That's when it turned it around and we just started

1029
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 2: concentrating on how well we were going to play, concentrate

1030
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 2: on our standards, what we had to play and how

1031
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 2: we had to play, and and you know, so that's

1032
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 2: you know, I still believe that you got to have

1033
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 2: those tough ones that they say, you don't forget that

1034
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 2: hurt that bad, you don't forget them, and it led

1035
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 2: us to those next team. What do you think we

1036
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 2: did wrong the Jacksonville game?

1037
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: You know, I don't. I think you just have those days.

1038
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 2: And you know, it's been a while since I've seen

1039
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 2: the film on the game. I want to see, yeah,

1040
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 2: you know, but you know, I think it's just one

1041
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 2: of those things. And that's why you got to be ready.

1042
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 2: Especially in the NFL. Anybody can beat anybody on a

1043
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 2: given day.

1044
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 3: I think that's what a matter.

1045
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: If you're home field, you get comfortable to be in home.

1046
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 2: Field, and you know, so you know, and we had

1047
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 2: we had taken a week off, right, like you said,

1048
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 2: you know, and I think, you know, you take that

1049
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 2: week off, your mind relaxes a little bit, and when

1050
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 2: you know, when you're in the season, it's like by

1051
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 2: weeks when you're in the season, you can't I could

1052
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 2: never get away. I never want to go on a vacation,

1053
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 2: right because I knew if you unload it all, it's

1054
00:42:57,960 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 2: twice as hard to get it back, and it take

1055
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 2: shit a couple of weeks to get back. And so

1056
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 2: I think that, you know, we might unload a little bit.

1057
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:05,800
Speaker 2: There weren't quite as sharp as we needed to be,

1058
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 2: and you know, and they played well, they played, They

1059
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 2: played really you know, you know, it was kind of

1060
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 2: like last week with Broncos.

1061
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 3: And I mean you look at the numbers. Jackson Bale

1062
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 3: just played unbelievable.

1063
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: They played really good.

1064
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 3: They sacked them five times Bowt Nicks. I mean the

1065
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 3: number might be a little distorted, but Jacksonville played extremely

1066
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 3: well offensively every time, you know, we come with the

1067
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 3: blitz and then they throw the swing out to the

1068
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 3: back to eight and at the backside and they're running

1069
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 3: down the field.

1070
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: You know, we missed a couple of.

1071
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 2: Tas hitches, which those you know, it's funny, and we

1072
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 2: talked about this before. You look at an NFL game,

1073
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:39,320
Speaker 2: there's five.

1074
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: Plays to make a difference.

1075
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 2: Yep, right, absolutely, there's five plays that make a difference

1076
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 2: because everybody is so close and you can always look

1077
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 2: at those you don't know if that plays one place

1078
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 2: that first quarter, second quarter, but there's five plays that

1079
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 2: made a difference, and those five plays last week with

1080
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,359
Speaker 2: the Roncos and the Jags, the Jags made those five

1081
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 2: plays and that's.

1082
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: Why they ended up winning the football.

1083
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 3: Gim you win that Super Bowl in thirty two, the

1084
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 3: adulation I, I don't know if i've and I had

1085
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 3: I had at that point in time. I had been

1086
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 3: around you as a player, well at Water had, but

1087
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 3: me and at Water had been around you the longest,

1088
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 3: and I don't know if I've ever seen you that happy, like, Okay,

1089
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 3: finally I got that monkey off our back and then

1090
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 3: there was a decision Okay, you're coming back and the

1091
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 3: process of coming back. Did you know at that season

1092
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 3: sixteen that that was going to be your last year?

1093
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 2: I had a pretty good idea, you know, and I

1094
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 2: think that you know, at ninety five, people were more

1095
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 2: more people talked about me coming back than me really

1096
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 2: thinking I wasn't coming back, right, I was playing on

1097
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 2: coming back.

1098
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: I'm still healthy, had a good year that year and

1099
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 1: you know, didn't get banged up.

1100
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 2: The thing about in ninety eight was, you know, I

1101
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 2: fell on the ball and Cincinnati down on the one

1102
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 2: yard lane. That jumped on top of me and popped

1103
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 2: at rib curtilage, you know, And so I came out

1104
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 2: the next week. I tried to play the next week

1105
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 2: against the Chargers. Bubby started the game. I was in

1106
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 2: there getting shot up, trying to figure out if I could.

1107
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:00,439
Speaker 1: I never forget.

1108
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 2: So then I come back into the second series, it's

1109
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 2: third and seven, and we bust. We busted like a

1110
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 2: scheme blocking scheme. Junior say oh because untouched hits me

1111
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 2: right here, and I'm just like, you know, And then

1112
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 2: I pulled the hamstring. Against Dallas, I got a couple

1113
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 2: of games, threw three games there, and so it was

1114
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 2: just I knew the body was breaking down a little bit.

1115
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 2: So after the ninety eight season, I canon knew, and

1116
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 2: especially the way it finished. And then it was almost

1117
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 2: like even I was like, this is too weird that

1118
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:35,800
Speaker 2: we're playing Dan in a super Bowl right right? That

1119
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 2: how this comes full circle? And everything that came about

1120
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 2: is that, you know, is God telling me something?

1121
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 1: Right?

1122
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 2: Number one and number two is my greatest fear was

1123
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 2: I do want to play and never wanted to play

1124
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 2: a super Bowl in the rain, right, yep, never wanted

1125
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 2: to play in the rain. And so that whole week

1126
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 2: I'm in my room watching the weather channel. I watched

1127
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 2: the Weather Channel the whole week.

1128
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:58,399
Speaker 3: It was fifty to fifty yep.

1129
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 2: And so you know, we get we win the game

1130
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,320
Speaker 2: and do the selling. The trophy comes, and get the

1131
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 2: trophy and it isn't ten minutes later we.

1132
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 3: Get in the locker room and it opens.

1133
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 1: It just opens up.

1134
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 2: I'm like, guys, telling me something, God tell me something.

1135
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 2: But I you know, it was just you know, for

1136
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 2: me to have to have sets of fond memories and

1137
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,240
Speaker 2: you know in the MVP. Yeah, and if I hadn't

1138
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 2: I don't think if my body had reacted better the

1139
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 2: year before where it wasn't hurt all the time I

1140
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 2: missed the four games that.

1141
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: I missed that, you know, I would have probably come back.

1142
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: But I was like, yeah, I don't want to. I

1143
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 1: didn't want to go out. I want to go out

1144
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 1: on top. I didn't want to go down this way. Yeah,

1145
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:39,879
Speaker 1: you know, so it was it was the right time.

1146
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 3: And remember ninety seven, we're in Mexico City and you

1147
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 3: tell your bicyl, Yeah, And I remember coming over there

1148
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 3: looking at it, like John Thorpe. It started like John

1149
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 3: towards bicycle towards by. I was like, damn, were gonna

1150
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 3: miss some time. And I remember going over there looking

1151
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 3: and I was like, you voted your arm up. I

1152
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 3: was like, that's the first time you ever had definition

1153
00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 3: of your bust. You look at it like, yeah, I

1154
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 3: told my box you crack it joke. So that like,

1155
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 3: but I guess, I guess you didn't tear it all

1156
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 3: the way off the bone, because there's like you didn't

1157
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 3: miss any time.

1158
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 2: Well, I tore the I tore the outside outside. Okay, right,

1159
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 2: the inside you tear the inside is the one, and

1160
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 2: now I tore the outside one. And people never knew,

1161
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 2: and I had i'd had a couple of years, i'd

1162
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 2: have some tenan itis, right, you know, so it's hard

1163
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 2: to get loose, and it was sore because of all

1164
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 2: the throws and and so I tore the outside and

1165
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 2: so that's when I rolled up and bundled up, and

1166
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 2: I was like, you know, that was the first week,

1167
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 2: first preseason game that we was down there.

1168
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 1: So they said they really didn't know. Greek really didn't know.

1169
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 1: The doctors didn't know because they'd never really seen it

1170
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 1: with a thrower, right.

1171
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,320
Speaker 3: With a football. I guess that's a baseball injury or something.

1172
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah.

1173
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:45,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so they said, well we're going to wait

1174
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 2: seven ten days, and so you know, got treatment on

1175
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:50,240
Speaker 2: it for the the next ten days.

1176
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 1: And when I came back out, I was.

1177
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:58,479
Speaker 2: Like, I was like, you like, he just wanted days

1178
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,800
Speaker 2: on it. You want to day that was But it

1179
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 2: was like tanned nightis was gone. Everything was gone, and

1180
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 2: so you know, I just I just had a bigger bicyle.

1181
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 3: And you do you think if you had come back,

1182
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 3: if Mike had done a great job, had come back,

1183
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:13,800
Speaker 3: do you think we could have repeeted? You think we

1184
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:15,359
Speaker 3: could have made it back to the playoffs and then

1185
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 3: rolled the Knights that didn't interest you?

1186
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:17,879
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1187
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 3: That did.

1188
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 2: I wasn't sure we could do that. I had looked

1189
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 2: at the schedule, yeah, you know, and so I mean

1190
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 2: I think that, yeah, we probably had a good enough

1191
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 2: football team that we could have and the mindset was

1192
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:33,320
Speaker 2: good enough, yes, and so yeah, I think we could have.

1193
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 2: But it was, like I said, I get back to

1194
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 2: the on the personal side and the physical side, whether

1195
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 2: you know, build to hold.

1196
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 3: Up, what went into the decision. You make the decision

1197
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 3: you're like, God has showed me something. I'm coming full circle.

1198
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 3: My first NFL coach, I played him in the Super Bowl.

1199
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:52,839
Speaker 3: I hated playing in the rain and definitely didn't want

1200
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 3: to play a super Bowl in the rain. And ten

1201
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 3: minutes after I get this trophy, we get off that stadium,

1202
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 3: the heavens open up. And so now you got to

1203
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 3: make a decision. How long did it take you to

1204
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 3: come to that decision that you know what this is?

1205
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 1: You know what, I want to really take my time, right.

1206
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 2: I wanted to take the time because I didn't want

1207
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 2: to say, Okay, you know, you got to get away

1208
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:12,839
Speaker 2: from the game.

1209
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 1: You got to get away.

1210
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 3: You know.

1211
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 2: Obviously we're at a high win in the super Bowl,

1212
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 2: and and so to me, I had to get away

1213
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,720
Speaker 2: from it to be able to make a sound decision

1214
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 2: on what was right wrong. I wanted to see how

1215
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 2: because I felt great at the time winning Super Bowl,

1216
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 2: I want to see how I felt about the same

1217
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 2: things I was thinking three four months later.

1218
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 3: So I, you know, so.

1219
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 2: I just took the time, you know, and I you know,

1220
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 2: I think Shannon, the other thing is it was getting

1221
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 2: tougher to playing cold weather.

1222
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,439
Speaker 3: Yes, and yet you know, that's what I tell people about.

1223
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 2: It's getting playing into cold weather. And then all the

1224
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 2: other stuff, right, the media stuff and all that kind

1225
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 2: of stuff. I've been doing it for so long. It's

1226
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 2: like do you want to come you know? And I

1227
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 2: despise it that. I was like, you know what, you

1228
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 2: really want to come back and do that, you know,

1229
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 2: and you know you can spend more time with the kids.

1230
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 2: So all those things were factors to where I said.

1231
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 2: And plus you know, to be able to write off

1232
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 2: on the sunset think back. You know, your last game

1233
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 2: was you know, Super Bowl and two super Bowl that's

1234
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 2: two years, have great memories, and you know, to where

1235
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:18,879
Speaker 2: I didn't want to. I didn't want to clunker thrown

1236
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 2: in there at the end if I couldn't you know,

1237
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 2: physically I could handle anymore.

1238
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 1: So that's why I think it was.

1239
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 3: It was the best decision, right. I remember, uh, you

1240
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 3: know John's going to retire hereing that, but you postponed

1241
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 3: it because you're supposed to do it and Columbine happened,

1242
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 3: so you had to postpone it a month. Yeah, and

1243
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 3: then you know we came out there and you know,

1244
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:37,319
Speaker 3: I remember, like.

1245
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 2: I know, you know, and I didn't want to. I

1246
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 2: didn't want to retire. I want this thing to be

1247
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:48,359
Speaker 2: twenty seven. Yeah, because it was so much fun. But yeah,

1248
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 2: it was just a you know, and there's you know,

1249
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 2: when I talked to my dad a lot, he was

1250
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,879
Speaker 2: always a good sounding board, right and you know because

1251
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,479
Speaker 2: I because you know, as player, Shannon, we're the last

1252
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 2: ones to know that we're not as good as as

1253
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 2: a right, we always think that this is what our

1254
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:06,359
Speaker 2: confidence is what made us made us what we are

1255
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 2: right now at the talent too.

1256
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 1: But the confidence of what we had is really what

1257
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: made us what we were and the players that we were.

1258
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 2: And so that's why I always wanted to bounce it

1259
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 2: off my dad to say, okay, am I am I

1260
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 2: seeing the same things, you know, because I asked him

1261
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 2: after ninety seven, I said the same thing.

1262
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 1: He goes, John, you have lots of step that you

1263
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 1: can still play boom boom boom, you know.

1264
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 2: And plus the offense was so friendly with Terrell and I,

1265
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,479
Speaker 2: I mean, the offense and playing for Mike was great.

1266
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 2: So you know that's what made us so tough. But

1267
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 2: I was, you know, ninety eight it was more physical

1268
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 2: than anything. Whether I could take the whole year, and

1269
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 2: I mean I couldn't now oh yeah.

1270
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 3: But I think you know what the biggest thing is, John,

1271
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 3: as we get older, and this is and I never

1272
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 3: talked to you about this, is that we just can't

1273
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 3: do it with the regularity we once could when were younger. Yeah,

1274
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 3: I could put together one hundred yards one hundred yards.

1275
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 3: I remember, you know, we played we played the charges. Here,

1276
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 3: I go thirteen for one to fifty three, three touchdowns,

1277
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 3: play of the week, come back against Baltimore nine for

1278
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 3: one sixty one, and then another one hundred. I could

1279
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 3: do that. As I got older, one hundred, then you

1280
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 3: get a forty, you get thirty, you get twenty five.

1281
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 3: The consistency level is you can't do it with the consistency.

1282
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:17,359
Speaker 3: And you like, damn, I'm still in my mind, I'm

1283
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 3: I still see the same thing. I'm still yoked up. Yeah,

1284
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 3: you just can't do it. Yeah. Yeah, And you're you're

1285
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 3: you're the left I remember watching myself.

1286
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 2: Right, you're the first one to know you would have

1287
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 2: never got to where that was anyway, right, because you

1288
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 2: didn't have a confidence level and believe that you can

1289
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 2: still play right, because that's what you know.

1290
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 3: That drove us and then I remember watching myself at

1291
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 3: practice one time it was cold and we was I

1292
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 3: was like, damn that guy moving slow. That's me. Oh no, yeah, yeah,

1293
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 3: you're time. It's time to go. It's time to go

1294
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 3: to the house. I show hope something else opens up.

1295
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 3: But you see Tom played till he forty three. Philip

1296
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 3: rivers after five years.

1297
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that was pretty amazing. I watched him play

1298
00:52:58,120 --> 00:52:59,479
Speaker 2: last night. I didn't say the first one. I watched

1299
00:52:59,480 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 2: it last night.

1300
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 3: He's pretty good. He really good, you know. So he's

1301
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 3: never been a mobile guy. He's never going to be mobile.

1302
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 3: So if he was a mobile in his twenties, what

1303
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 3: makes you think he's not going to be mobile.

1304
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:09,360
Speaker 2: And that's why I think he was able to come

1305
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 2: back because he never used mobility as that was never

1306
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 2: his you know, it'd been tougher for a guy that

1307
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 2: used his mobility to come back after five years, because

1308
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:16,839
Speaker 2: you're not gonna be able to move like he could.

1309
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: But Philip was a.

1310
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 2: Pocket guy, as was Tom. Yes, so I think that's

1311
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 2: what extended their career too. It was the fact that

1312
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 2: they were never the mobile guys and so they just

1313
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 2: had to stay in the pick and get protected. And

1314
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,800
Speaker 2: they still could throw the ball and and so you know,

1315
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:30,240
Speaker 2: plus the rules are so different.

1316
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 3: They're different. You can't take the quarterback, no, all that.

1317
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 3: You can't drop your weight on the quarterback. They lived

1318
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 3: to drop their weight on.

1319
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:38,320
Speaker 2: That used to be the worst because everybody asked me.

1320
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 2: They always say, okay, John, who hate you the hardest? Right,

1321
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 2: I'm like the ground.

1322
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 1: When they land on me and I hit the ground, that's.

1323
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 2: What hurt the most, exactly, And right, so they take

1324
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 2: you know, they take that one out, which you don't

1325
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 2: protect the quarterbacks trying to keep him up, right, is

1326
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 2: you know, good for the game. It's just it's just

1327
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:55,359
Speaker 2: changed from when we played there.

1328
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 3: I mean back in the day, there was nothing off limits.

1329
00:53:58,160 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 3: They could hit you anyway.

1330
00:53:59,120 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 1: Try to get us out of the game.

1331
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:01,320
Speaker 3: Yes, right, that was the whole thing, and not the

1332
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:02,840
Speaker 3: quarterback because that was and I gave you.

1333
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 2: An advantage, gave you a team, your team and advantage

1334
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 2: of the their starring quarterback was out.

1335
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 1: Yes, if we can get him out, we got a

1336
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 1: better chance to win.

1337
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 3: You're the exact John Elway, the same abilities. You're a

1338
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 3: mobile as you are. You had the arm streen you

1339
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 3: played in the eighties and nineties. Let's just say you

1340
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:22,280
Speaker 3: came in and the two thousand or the twenty teens,

1341
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 3: could you have played more than sixteenth?

1342
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 1: I think so.

1343
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 2: I think so with the rules the way they are now,

1344
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 2: rules now, yeah, I think so. You know, but you know, again,

1345
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 2: in the right situation, now, I'd love to play for Mike.

1346
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, I think that offense. Do you see Kyle,

1347
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:38,439
Speaker 3: what Kyle is doing.

1348
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 2: With PRT I think he's Kyle is the best offensive

1349
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 2: coordinating the league now too, right, I mean what he

1350
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:47,280
Speaker 2: does and you know been that offense is so quarterback

1351
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 2: apparently because everything is built off the running game, is

1352
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:52,399
Speaker 2: making so much ease and then play actions. You stand

1353
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 2: back there with you know, you got five year ard.

1354
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 2: You can see the whole field and all that. So

1355
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 2: you know, it would have depended on you know, this

1356
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 2: right situation. Yeah, the situation in the offense.

1357
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 3: But but you look at all these guys. Now you

1358
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 3: look at Kyle, you look at Sean McVay, you look

1359
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 3: at Andy Reid, all those those West Coast product came

1360
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 3: out of that West Coast prodigy. You look at their quarterbacks. Yeah, yeah,

1361
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 3: they're lighting it up. Yeah, what rule do you wish

1362
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:18,799
Speaker 3: that in the eighties and nineties when you were there

1363
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:22,399
Speaker 3: that they have now for the quarterback was instituted back

1364
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 3: then that.

1365
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 1: You can't hit them low.

1366
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 2: You can't hit the quarterback low, right, because now because

1367
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:29,320
Speaker 2: when you're a quarterback and you're in the pocket and

1368
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 2: now of a sudden you're throwing you know, I'm throwing

1369
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 2: you on a on a post round right, all my

1370
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:36,320
Speaker 2: weights on that front foot yep, right, And so that's that's.

1371
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 1: The most vulnerable. Your left legs the most vulnerable.

1372
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 2: And so when those guys falling off you know, and

1373
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:41,799
Speaker 2: they're falling off blocks a lot of times they are

1374
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:42,399
Speaker 2: hitting you low.

1375
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 1: You know, you're worried about that.

1376
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 2: So it makes you, you know, you're more conscious of

1377
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 2: your legs, and it makes you not as accurate as

1378
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 2: you should get because you're you know, now you want

1379
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 2: to get the weight off that leg so it's not

1380
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:54,839
Speaker 2: stuck in the ground when they hit it in three

1381
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:57,840
Speaker 2: hundred pounds and then you know kres and knee and

1382
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 2: so to me, if they took that the below the

1383
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 2: hit rate and blow the wigs on quarterbacks, to me,

1384
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 2: it would have been.

1385
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:07,319
Speaker 3: Like because they didn't change the rule that's the Brady rule,

1386
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 3: because Brady went Brady in two thousand and eight when

1387
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 3: he got hit. Because if you remember, in ninety nine,

1388
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 3: the exact same thing happened to Trick Green. Rod de

1389
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 3: Harrison hit Trick Green and put him out. That's how

1390
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 3: kurtent Water got his start. They end up winning the

1391
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 3: Super Bowl. But it wasn't until Brady, when I think

1392
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 3: Bernie Poler did it hit him in his knee, and

1393
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:28,320
Speaker 3: they changed the next year they changed it. Yeah, and

1394
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 3: now you got all these rules defensive receivers, the incidental contact.

1395
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 3: If you weren't looking at me and I was on

1396
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 3: the backside, they're not throwing a flag because they would

1397
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 3: tell you what, he's not looking at you. You know why,

1398
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 3: because he holded me. He can see they holding me.

1399
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 3: That's why he's not looking right. But now they just

1400
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:46,359
Speaker 3: have these rules. Now. I just I look in amazement. John.

1401
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 3: I was like, how these guys just be running scot ass.

1402
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 1: Free, right, you know? And the thing is, it's like,

1403
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 1: you know. The other thing too is what I you know,

1404
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 1: and they've done a good job, whether you know you

1405
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 1: always look.

1406
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 4: You know.

1407
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 2: I can't stand that the quarter quarterback gets hitting the head,

1408
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 2: he looks with it with a hand.

1409
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a penalty. I'm like, why does he have

1410
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 1: a helmet on?

1411
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:08,399
Speaker 2: Right? I mean, I'm still a quarterback, but I still

1412
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 2: you know, because I remember when I was coming in

1413
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 2: the league, Jack Lambert said we need to put skirts

1414
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:13,800
Speaker 2: on quarterbacks.

1415
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 1: Yes, you remember they said the early eighties, Yes, put

1416
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 1: a skirt on. I'm like, I'm one of them these guys.

1417
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 1: I get hit all the time too, not as much

1418
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: as they get hit, right.

1419
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 2: So I always wanted quarterbacks to have the you know, toughness,

1420
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 2: a little bit of the toughness in those safe things,

1421
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 2: and you know that just they take it to another

1422
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 2: level with the way it is now.

1423
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 1: But you know, and it changes the game.

1424
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 3: It does.

1425
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 2: It changes games and people don't realize a fifteen yarder

1426
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 2: if a guy goes up to block a pass, comes

1427
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 2: down and glances a quarterback's helmet. I and I don't

1428
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 2: remember any quarterbacks getting going to the tent after they've

1429
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 2: got hit with a hand.

1430
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 1: No for concussion, for concussion.

1431
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 3: Back, it ain't no, no, it was no. Well, I

1432
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 3: don't even know if they used the term concussion. They

1433
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 3: just say you got your bail, run or you got

1434
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 3: Dean and so you know, oh yeah, I was just

1435
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 3: watching something. Pat McAnally pat mcinally got knocked. He was

1436
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 3: the punter and a receiver for the Bengals. He ended

1437
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 3: up getting knocked out of the game. He lay motionless

1438
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 3: for ten minutes, they carded him off and he ends

1439
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 3: up coming in and catch a game. When he touchdown,

1440
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 3: there is no way they would allow that. I said,

1441
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 3: I've never seen this day ladies happen before. By life.

1442
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 3: This concludes the first half of my conversation. Part two

1443
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 3: is also posted and you can access it to whichever

1444
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:30,240
Speaker 3: podcast platform you just listened to part one on. Just

1445
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 3: simply go back to the club Shashay profile and I'll

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00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 3: see you there.