1 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 2 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined as always 3 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 1: by my trust in colleague Weston Hodquits, and I'm glad 4 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: you're here because when I saw your social media this morning, 5 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: I wasn't sure if you were going to make it. 6 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I wasn't going to So for anybody that isn't aware, 7 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 2: isn't on Twitter, I tweeted at the Packers account like 8 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 2: any true professional does, telling them, Hey, I'm taking PTO 9 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 2: it's too cold. Tell Anna from our social team. She 10 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 2: has to step in with spoff which honestly would probably 11 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 2: improve the quality of the show. 12 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: Well, I don't know about that. I am glad you're 13 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: I'm Diana as a party star. But you aren't wrong 14 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: that it was extremely tempting to stay home today when 15 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: we woke up to the temperatures that we did. But 16 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: that being said, it won't be quite this cold in 17 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: Seattle on Sunday night, when the Packers take on the 18 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: Seahawks in a big NFC game with lots of playoff implications. 19 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 1: So let's dive into breaking down the Seahawks a little bit. Wes, 20 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 1: We've We've talked about various Packers opponents this season who 21 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:24,320 Speaker 1: have sort of ridden a roller coaster here and there 22 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: through the course of the year. This one might be 23 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: the most dramatic roller coaster of all. 24 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 3: Seahawks. 25 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: They hire Mike McDonald as a new head coach to 26 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: take over for Pete Carroll, and they come out like gangbusters. 27 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: They're three and oh, and everybody's like, all right, you know, 28 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: the Seattle Seahawks are back, you know, et cetera, et cetera. Well, 29 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: then they lose five out of six, they drop to 30 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: four and five, and everybody's wondering just where the Seahawks 31 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: are headed. But then in a big NFC West Division 32 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: road game at San Francisco, final couple of minutes, Gino 33 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 1: Smith takes the Seahawks down the field. He scrambles with 34 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: I believe it was twelve seconds left for a thirteen 35 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: yard touchdown run to the front pylon and Seattle gets 36 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: a big road win at San Francisco, and that come 37 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: from behind victory has has catapulted them now to what 38 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 1: is a four game winning streak this which has included 39 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 1: two victories over division rival Arizona as well to put 40 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:33,399 Speaker 1: Seattle in command of the NFC West with an eight 41 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: and five record. Whatever was going on through that month 42 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: and a half the middle portion of the season when 43 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 1: they lost five of six, Seattle seems to have figured 44 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: something out, because this is a team that is on 45 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: a roll. 46 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, they definitely are mic and this is almost there 47 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 2: in so many ways, a very similar carbon copy what 48 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 2: Green Bay has done obviously in a less competitive although 49 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 2: still competitive but not a successful division. Yeah, in the 50 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 2: NFC West, where this team goes into the by and 51 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 2: there's a lot of questions there, a lot of questions 52 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 2: about Geno Smith throwing a lot of interceptions. You know, 53 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 2: their run game is not really getting anywhere. They have 54 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 2: a lot of passing yards, but they've been forced to 55 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 2: be in a lot of shootouts too, and a lot 56 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 2: of games that they kind of came up short in 57 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 2: where they're having to try. You know, it was the 58 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 2: Lions scored forty two, the Giants scored twenty nine, the 59 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 2: forty nine Ers got thirty six on him, Buffalo had 60 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 2: thirty one. Defensively, for McDonald's background, it was it was 61 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 2: a tough. 62 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 3: Go of it. 63 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, But then they get to the bye week, they 64 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 2: edge past the forty nine ers. They don't run the 65 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 2: ball particularly well against Arizona, but they win sixteen to six. 66 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 2: They were able to get a win that they needed 67 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 2: over the Jets, and then they run the ball incredibly 68 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 2: well against the Cardinals during their rematch two games within 69 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 2: three weeks. So the biggest thing that I boiled this 70 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 2: down to is when they protect the football. I mean, 71 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 2: this team can play with anybody in the league. It's 72 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 2: just a matter of whether or not they can overcome 73 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 2: the turnover differentials. And if I may, I know I'm 74 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 2: talking a lot here, but here at the bottom ten 75 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:02,559 Speaker 2: t teams in the National Football League in net differential, 76 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 2: in turnover margin, Okay, Vegas, Tennessee, Jacksonville, Cleveland, Atlanta, New 77 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 2: York Giants, Dallas, New England, Carolina, all those teams, there's 78 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 2: quite a bit of parody there in terms of commonalities. 79 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 2: And then it's Kansas City in Seattle. So it shows 80 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 2: you even though they're minus four on the season in 81 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 2: turnover differential, tied with Kansas City for twenty second in 82 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 2: that area, this team can still find ways to win 83 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 2: and they are very dangerous. 84 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,919 Speaker 1: Well, in what I wrote about yesterday after we talked 85 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: with Jordan Love in the locker room of the usual 86 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: Wednesday post practice media scrum at his locker. You look 87 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 1: at this current four game winning streak for the Seahawks, 88 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 1: and when you look at things on the turnover side, 89 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: this defense has intercepted five passes during the four game streak. 90 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:58,359 Speaker 1: They have eleven interceptions on the year, and five of 91 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 1: those eleven have come in the last four games, and 92 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 1: two of them one against the Cardinals and one against 93 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers and the Jets. Two of them run back 94 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: for touchdown at huge moments, the one against the Cardinals. 95 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:12,919 Speaker 1: The first one, it was a close one score game. 96 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: Arizona had a fourth and one at the Seattle forty 97 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,840 Speaker 1: yard line and Kyler Murray throws a pick six and 98 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: complete basically was the play that decided the game. And 99 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 1: then the following week against the Jets, the Jets are 100 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: actually up by fourteen points. It's twenty one to seven, 101 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 1: and the Jets are headed in for more points to 102 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: make it a three score game in the second quarter 103 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 1: and the big defensive lineman, the Seahawks sack leader Leonard Williams, 104 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: the former Jet or, picks off picks off a slant 105 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: pass by Aaron Rodgers and ends up taking it ninety 106 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 1: two yards to the house. Completely flips that game around. 107 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: So instead of the Jets being up three scores, the 108 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: Seahawks suddenly cut it to one score and then they 109 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: finished the comeback in the second half and ended up 110 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: winning that game. What the Seahawks defense is doing with 111 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: the takeaways right now has been has been a real catalyst, 112 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 1: has been the real fuel in part for this four 113 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: game winning. 114 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 2: Streak, and it definitely has and it's because of players 115 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 2: like Williams too, who's kind of been a very consistent 116 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 2: performer throughout the course of his career in some ways 117 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 2: kind of a journeyman. It's been in a few different 118 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 2: stops now, but you look at the stats last year 119 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 2: he was okay fine, and then this year twenty quarterback 120 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 2: hits leads them in that category seven and a half sacks, 121 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 2: as you mentioned, a very impressive touchdown there as well. 122 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 2: These guys they can get after it a little bit. 123 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 2: Julian Love on the back end is a safety I've 124 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 2: always had a lot of admiration for. I think is 125 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 2: sort of carried on that tradition of what's been with 126 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 2: the Seattle secondary and that defense. Kobe Bryant has the 127 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 2: other touchdown off the interception as well. So again, when 128 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 2: you look at how they're fundamentally built and structured, it's 129 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 2: a good scheme. It's a smart scheme and have guys 130 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 2: that can implement it. And certainly, even though we look 131 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 2: at their relatively pedestrian and the statistics because of some 132 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 2: of the things that happened during the first half of 133 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 2: the season, it's a team that definitely has been on 134 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:11,559 Speaker 2: the come up here since the bye week. 135 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, and when looking looking at things on the offensive side, 136 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: you mentioned they got their running game going last week. 137 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: In the rematch against Arizona, Zach Charbonay ends up rushing 138 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: for one hundred and I believe it was one hundred 139 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: and fifty yard. 140 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, right around there he play. 141 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: Being a fifty one yard touchdown run where he broke free. 142 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: He's also been used out of the backfield as a receiver, 143 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: certainly a capable substitute for Kenneth Walker, the third. 144 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 2: Just ask my fantasy football team. 145 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: Walker has been kind of in and out of the 146 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: lineup with injuries. His status seems to be if he 147 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: yet again this week. But aside from maybe some of 148 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 1: those fits and starts in the running game. This offense 149 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: is built around Gino Smith as a quarterback who he's 150 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 1: put up some press of numbers. He's completing almost seventy 151 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: percent of his passes. But at the same time you 152 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: look at the fact that he's been sacked forty times 153 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: and he's thrown twelve interceptions. So it's sort of lived 154 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: by Geno, die by Gino, right. I mean, there's a 155 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 1: lot that they rely on with regard to their quarterback, 156 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: and if you can if you can get him uncomfortable, 157 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: if you can disrupt him a little bit, you might 158 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: be able to get the kind of mistake out of 159 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 1: him that can turn the tide in the football game. 160 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 2: I don't do one last look. I don't do some 161 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 2: of the overarching theme stories that you did. But when 162 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 2: I was going through the statistics in preparation for this 163 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 2: award winning show, one thing that really jumped off the 164 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 2: page to me. So the Packers have been one way 165 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 2: or another, they have been one of the best teams 166 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 2: of protecting their quarterback. 167 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 3: This year. 168 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:53,559 Speaker 2: The quarterbacks have done the best job of being able 169 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 2: to evade sacks. Packers have had sixteen sacks this season. Okay, 170 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 2: allowed for ninety three yards. The forty sacks jump off 171 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 2: the page to you. Did you see how many yards 172 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 2: Gino Smith has lost on those forty sacks? 173 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: No, actually I didn't. 174 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 2: I want to make sure I get this right, So 175 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 2: I don't want to because it's it's over two hundred 176 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 2: it's two hundred and seventy two yards. 177 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 3: Oh my god, I've been lost on those forty sacks. 178 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:20,439 Speaker 2: So when you're talking about negative yardage plays, that's that's 179 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 2: a lot of negative yardage that's coming. 180 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 1: That's an average of almost seven yards per sack. 181 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like why he's getting deep in his hitch. Yeah, 182 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:31,559 Speaker 2: because Gino's not the most I mean, he can run 183 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 2: a little bit, but it's like. 184 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know that isn't there? There is a difference 185 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:37,559 Speaker 1: between those sacks that are just one or two yards 186 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: behind the line of scrimmage, when the quarterback can kind 187 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 1: of scramp, yeah, try to get out of it, and 188 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: when you get sacked eight nine yards behind the line 189 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: of scrimmage. Big difference there. 190 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 3: So why do I bring all this up? Mike? Ask 191 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 3: me why I brought that all up? 192 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 2: Why did you bring this up with because last week 193 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 2: he was not sacked last week. They ran the ball 194 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 2: as well as they have all season. This is the 195 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 2: twenty seventh ranked rushing offense in the NFL. Kenneth Walker 196 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 2: was a big time investment for them. That was the 197 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 2: guy they sort of were building things around. But it 198 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 2: just seems like every time Zach Charbonau gets the opportunity, 199 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 2: he takes advantage of it. And they ran the ball 200 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 2: as well as he did all season, one hundred and 201 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 2: seventy six rushing yards, five point seven yards per carry, 202 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 2: two touchdowns on thirty one attempts. I believe that was 203 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 2: the first time they've had more rushing attempts in a 204 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 2: game this year than Gino smith Is attempted passes. He 205 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 2: was twenty four though, of thirty in that game, with 206 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 2: a touchdown in one hundred and ten passer rating, no interceptions, 207 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 2: no sacks. Balance is the point I'm trying to make. Ye, 208 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 2: It's something the Packers have been trying to get to 209 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 2: as well with Jordan Love and being able to utilize 210 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:37,319 Speaker 2: the run game to sort of set things up with 211 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 2: your passing offense. Gino Smith. As we've said time in 212 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 2: time again, I don't know if there's been a better 213 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 2: story in the last decade in the National Football League 214 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 2: than Gino Smith. This is a guy that was left 215 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:52,319 Speaker 2: for dead. He things didn't work out with the Jets. 216 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:56,679 Speaker 2: He basically moves across MetLife Stadium. He's a backup there 217 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 2: with the Giants for a few seasons. 218 00:10:58,679 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 3: I believe he. 219 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 2: Ends up finally ending up in Seattle during COVID he 220 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 2: backs up Russell Wilson, and then I don't know if 221 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 2: you remember that, but when they made that trade with 222 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 2: Wilson and Denver, everybody's like, Okay, well, Drew Locke is 223 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 2: going to be the guy in. 224 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 1: Seattle, right right, that was the assumption. 225 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 2: Geno Smith beats him out during training camp. Yeah, and 226 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 2: everybody's sort of laughing at the Seahawks, like what are 227 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 2: you doing? This journeyman quarterback is going to be the guy. 228 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 2: In credit to first off, John Schneider, but then also 229 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 2: Pete Carroll for making that move. Yep, they stuck with 230 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 2: this guy. And yeah, there's been some some inconsistencies, there's 231 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 2: been some interceptions, but Gino Smith has proved he still 232 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 2: is the player that everybody thought he was coming out 233 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 2: in twenty thirteen. And it sometimes development takes a little 234 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 2: bit longer and in his case, obviously it's been paying 235 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 2: off really well, especially if you ask their trio receivers. Yeah. 236 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 1: Well, And I wouldn't claim to have watched a ton 237 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: of Seattle Seahawks football this season or even last season 238 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 1: for that matter, But during this renaissance of Gino Smith's career, 239 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 1: when I have watched the Seahawks, what I have seen 240 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 1: from Gino Smith, for better for worse is a fearless 241 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 1: quarterback one hundred percent. Well. He will push the ball 242 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 1: down the field at any time in any situation. He 243 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: has Jackson Smith, Jigba, he has dk Metcalf. These are 244 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 1: guys that will can and will threatened defensees down the field. 245 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: And Gino Smith isn't afraid to test his arm and 246 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: to test a defense with uh with trying to push 247 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 1: the ball for those explosive plays. And yeah he does. 248 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: He does throw his share of interceptions. And that's partly 249 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: where the sacks come from too, because the deep developing 250 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: you know, downfield routes you gotta have, you gotta have time, 251 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: you have to take a full seven step drop, and 252 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: if those routes can't develop, if you can't get protected, 253 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:44,439 Speaker 1: then then that's where the sacks happen. But this this dude, 254 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: this dude's a fearless quarterback. He's and maybe it's just 255 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:49,680 Speaker 1: because of everything he went through earlier in his career 256 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 1: that he just decided, well, if I get another chance, 257 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna let it rip. Yeah, you know, And 258 00:12:55,200 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 1: and it's provided a fair on a success for the 259 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: Seattle Seahawks, for a team that you know, wasn't really 260 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 1: sure where it was going in terms of who's the 261 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: next franchise quarterback going to be after Russell Wilson, Gino 262 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:12,559 Speaker 1: Smith has stepped in and won his share football game. 263 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 2: The whole idea, I think was basically, we got to 264 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 2: get rid of this contract, We got to go in 265 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 2: a different direction. It wasn't they were struggling, they were 266 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 2: missing playoffs with Russell, and then they make this change, 267 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 2: and I thought in a lot of ways, it breathes 268 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 2: new life into this organization, being able to sort and 269 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 2: it's a guy that you know, players have seemingly really 270 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 2: rallied around during his time here. You mentioned JSN obviously 271 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:38,679 Speaker 2: DK Metcalf. I think Tyler Lockett has done some good 272 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:40,199 Speaker 2: things this year. He's been kind of up and down 273 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:43,359 Speaker 2: throughout the course of his career. They have the weapons 274 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 2: that you need to be able to move the football. 275 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 2: So the challenge for Green Bay is one seeing exactly 276 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:51,079 Speaker 2: who's going to be out there on Sunday. We saw 277 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 2: on Wednesday's practice Jyr Alexander was a full participant. We'll 278 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 2: see if you can continue to hit those markers to 279 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 2: potentially be out there, that would be huge for them, 280 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 2: especially with how banged up they are right now on 281 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 2: the back end, which also affects their depth and the 282 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 2: slot for the nickel. So, you know, a guy like 283 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:10,439 Speaker 2: Jaiere would be a great time to have him back. 284 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 2: I thought Keyshawn Nixon for everything the Packers have asked 285 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 2: him to do as of late. I thought he had 286 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 2: one of his better performances in Detroit as well. But 287 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 2: just figuring out how to contain that plethora of weapons 288 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 2: is going to be just absolutely critical for Green Bay's 289 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 2: defense and going into a place that historically has been 290 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 2: very difficult to play in. They're three and four there 291 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 2: this year. 292 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, they've lost four home games this year, so yeah, 293 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: they've only lost once on the road, but they've lost 294 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: four times at home, which is not a typical Seattle record. 295 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 2: No, I mean, they typically that has historically been one 296 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 2: of the tougher places to play. But the thing that 297 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 2: Green Bay's biggest challenge is it's going to be trying 298 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 2: to kit Seahattle to fall back into some of those 299 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 2: bad habits earlier the season and find ways to take 300 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 2: advantage of it. 301 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 1: Well, before we get to our Keys to Victory, we 302 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: should update where things are with the Packers on the 303 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: health front, because on balance, it's been some pretty good 304 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 1: news this week. Both Romeo Dobbs and Evan Williams, the 305 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: receiver and the rookie safety. They are back in practice 306 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: though as of right now, as of the taping of 307 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: this show, they are still in the concussion protocol. They 308 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: have not been fully cleared yet from the concussion protocol, 309 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: but they are practicing and Romeo Dobbs was a full 310 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: participant in Wednesday's practice, so that's definitely definitely worth noting. 311 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: As you said, JayR Alexander is actually not even on 312 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: the injury report because he was a full participant. Did 313 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: the Packers actually list him? 314 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 3: They did? 315 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 2: Oh, he is what happens as Mike saying, when Matt 316 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 2: Lafleur goes up there, he will list the guys who 317 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 2: are limited or the guys that were DMPs. It is 318 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 2: not rare for them to still have guys who are 319 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 2: full participation but are still listed with whatever injury that 320 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 2: they might still be getting treatment for. But the fact 321 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 2: that to your point, when MATTL. Fluer went up at 322 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 2: the podium on Wednesday, the first thing I think Jason 323 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 2: Wilde said is you. 324 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 3: Didn say JayR. 325 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, you didn't mention JayR because Jay finally was a 326 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: full guy. Yeah. So Alexander, Alexander is a full participant 327 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: in practice. We'll see where things go with that. Another cornerback, 328 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: Corey Ballantine, is back in practice after missing the game 329 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:29,359 Speaker 1: in Detroit and then tight end Luke Musgrave being designated 330 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: to return from injured reserve. He has had a long layoff, 331 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: a very very complicated or I guess I should say 332 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: significant ankle injury from early in the season that required surgery. 333 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: But he is now back at practice, so he's been 334 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 1: designated to return from injured perserve. I would not expect 335 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: him at all to be playing in Seattle after this 336 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 1: long of a layoff, but the ramp up now with 337 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: Musgrave is starting to where the Packers can hopefully get 338 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: him back. The one guy on the fifty three man 339 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 1: roster not practicing on Wednesday was nickelback Javon Bullard, the 340 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 1: rookie out of Georgia. So if he's not able to 341 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:10,439 Speaker 1: come back this week, and Matt Lafleur had said I 342 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 1: believe it was on Monday, he said they're considering Bullard 343 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 1: week to week with his ankle injury from late in 344 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 1: the Detroit game. So there's going to be some gonna 345 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 1: probably have to be some shifting around in the secondary 346 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:27,639 Speaker 1: if if Bullard can't go this week. But as I said, 347 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:31,159 Speaker 1: on balance, the health news is looking pretty good for 348 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 1: Green Bay here as the stretch run approaches. 349 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 2: In the name you, there's a lot of names to mention, 350 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 2: so I'm not faulting you for this. Oh yes, and 351 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 2: and edgerd Cooper is And that's where I was going 352 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:42,239 Speaker 2: to take this thing. Edger and Cooper being back at 353 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 2: practice is a big thing. One of the aspects of 354 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:48,680 Speaker 2: Insider Inbox I really concentrated on this earlier this week 355 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:51,639 Speaker 2: was somebody had asked me, you know, basically, out of 356 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 2: this this rookie class, you know, who have you enjoyed 357 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 2: or who's been the biggest surprise, whatever you want to 358 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:58,639 Speaker 2: call it, And I said, I don't think you can 359 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,239 Speaker 2: necessarily label a surprise because if you and I were 360 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 2: standing in here, sitting in here with Larry Mccaer and 361 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,399 Speaker 2: doing our draft preview show, and I remember saying, I 362 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:09,360 Speaker 2: was like this guy from Texas A and M. And again, 363 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 2: I'm no scout, I'm nobody. But that's just how excited 364 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:15,920 Speaker 2: I was about edgren Crooper. We see him have eight 365 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 2: sacks his senior year there, his last year in college, 366 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:22,879 Speaker 2: and now you're watching him play within this defense. Edrin 367 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 2: Cooper is more than his listed position. The Packers have 368 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 2: depth at inside linebacker. Edgren Cooper is proving to me 369 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 2: he's a legitimate defensive weapon. The way that they can 370 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 2: blitz him, the way he can play coverage. We've seen 371 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 2: him being able to trail guys down the seam as well. 372 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 2: He has all the tools, and I think Green Bay 373 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 2: has really missed him. Not to say the other inside 374 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 2: linebackers haven't stepped up. I thought Kay Walker played some 375 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 2: really good football. Obviously, isaamh McDuffie, what he did against 376 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 2: Miami commendable, but Edrin Cooper is just a different type 377 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 2: of football player In some ways. It almost reminds me 378 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 2: of that Clay Matthews type effect, where this guy not 379 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 2: that he's rushing off the edge, but you can just 380 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,199 Speaker 2: utilize him in so many different ways. That would be 381 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 2: absolutely huge if they could get him back for Seattle. 382 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right. Cooper has missed the last three games 383 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 1: with a hamstring injury. I believe he injured the hamstring 384 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: in Chicago in practice. 385 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 3: He heard it, that's right. 386 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:13,640 Speaker 1: It was after the Chicago Yeah, it was. That's when 387 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:16,400 Speaker 1: practice the following week. He's missed the last three games. 388 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 1: And I agree with what you said about Cooper in 389 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 1: terms of uh. 390 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 3: I I look at it. 391 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:25,679 Speaker 1: I look at a guy like Cooper because because with 392 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:27,879 Speaker 1: his injuries and being in and out of the lineup, 393 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: he hasn't become a full time player yet as a 394 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:35,119 Speaker 1: rookie second round draft pick. But what he is and 395 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: hopefully what he can be for the Packers and for 396 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: defensive coordinator Jeff Haffley down the stretch is a chess piece. Yes, 397 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 1: offensively because you can use him in certain roles you mentioned, 398 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:47,640 Speaker 1: whether it's whether it's as a blitzer, whether it's sort 399 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:50,959 Speaker 1: of as that that Tampa two linebacker. Who can you 400 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 1: know who can cover the middle of the field. He's 401 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:56,400 Speaker 1: got different roles that he can play, and he becomes 402 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,400 Speaker 1: a he becomes a potential chess piece for for Halflee 403 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 1: in terms of how the Packers want to throw some 404 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: change ups and do some different things defensively over the 405 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 1: course of a game from start to filing. 406 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 2: And you don't know when he's going to be out there. 407 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:10,919 Speaker 2: That's the neat thing about being able to use him 408 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:12,199 Speaker 2: as a rookie. There's going to be a time here 409 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 2: in the next couple seasons, maybe next year, where he's 410 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 2: going to be an every down player. 411 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:17,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, but right now that's coming at some point. 412 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:20,400 Speaker 2: Opposing offenses, even on third downs, you don't know necessarily 413 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:22,360 Speaker 2: if you're going to see him or not. But when 414 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 2: he's out there, man, he makes a difference. I also 415 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 2: just want to quickly mention about Luke Musgrave before we 416 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 2: transition over to previewing next week. This upcoming week of games, 417 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:32,919 Speaker 2: I had a funny moment with Musgrave where I was 418 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 2: asking him during our little group scrum when he's talking 419 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 2: to the media on Wednesday about him playing through the 420 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 2: ankle injury, because, as it turns out, that badly turned 421 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,679 Speaker 2: ankle that he had happened like at the beginning of 422 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 2: the Minnesota game, and yet he finished out the rest 423 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 2: of the game. He played twenty five snaps. And I 424 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 2: had said to him, I was like, is that just 425 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,159 Speaker 2: adrenaline carrying you through? And he said, well, it was 426 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,120 Speaker 2: like the most Luke Musgrave comment ever. He's like, well, 427 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 2: you know, Payne really isn't a huge thing for me, 428 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 2: Like that doesn't really bother me. And if you think back, well, yeah, 429 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 2: he had the lacerated spleen that he played through against 430 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 2: kidney charger kidney last year, ascerated kid kidney last year, 431 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 2: and like the things that this guy has gone through. 432 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,199 Speaker 2: What the issue was for him though, is there was 433 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 2: too much instability because of the tendon that he injured 434 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,159 Speaker 2: the ankle. He probably could have found a way to 435 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,360 Speaker 2: deal with the pain, but it was just he wasn't 436 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 2: going to be he wasn't gonna be able to build 437 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 2: his base off of it. Yeah, that's why doctor Robert 438 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 2: Anderson end up performing the surgery. He misses, you know, 439 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 2: the last two and a half months. But you get 440 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:32,360 Speaker 2: him back down the stretch here and he said he's 441 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 2: open to whatever role they have for him if it's 442 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,400 Speaker 2: a limited role. He understands Ben Simm's been playing all year. Obviously, 443 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 2: Tuckerkraft has been one of the best tight ends in 444 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 2: the league this year, but even being able to sprinkle 445 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:43,919 Speaker 2: him into the offense here down the stretch with what 446 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 2: he can provide in the middle of the field, I 447 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 2: think that could be another chess piece as well. 448 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 3: That could also open up some. 449 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 2: Opportunities for Jaden Reid, you know, in some of those 450 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 2: slot packages and crossers. 451 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:54,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's going to be interesting to see how this 452 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: evolves now down the stretch, these last four regular season 453 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 1: games and then hopefully into the playoffs, and just how 454 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 1: how the Packers end up reincorporating some of these guys 455 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 1: who have been been injured and on the shelf, so 456 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,880 Speaker 1: to speak, as they hopefully get healthy and get back 457 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 1: to action. Serious XMNFL Radio delivers hard hitting analysis and 458 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: up to the minute NFL news that true football fanatics 459 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 1: need twenty four to seven, three sixty five and at 460 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,160 Speaker 1: Cousin Subs, we have something for everyone. Like our Wisconsin 461 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 1: Cheese curds, mac and cheese, golden fries, and creamy shakes, 462 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: all paired with your favorite sub or sub in a 463 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 1: Bowl cousin subs fifty plus years of better. All right, 464 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: real quickly, we talked a lot with regard to the 465 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,160 Speaker 1: Seahawks in this upcoming matchup. What is at the top 466 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 1: of your list in terms of the key to victory 467 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 1: for green Bay. 468 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 3: I'll tell you this, Mike. 469 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 2: I feel like the green Bay Packers run defense has 470 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,120 Speaker 2: really come on. And I don't want to keep parrotting myself, 471 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 2: but I mean the fact that green Bay in these 472 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 2: last three games have allowed three points zero yards per carry. 473 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 2: You're going up against a run offense that has struggled 474 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 2: this season. Again, charbonad that fifty one yard touchdown, that 475 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 2: wasn't just the big play in that game. That's their 476 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,359 Speaker 2: longest run of the season to this point. If you 477 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 2: can take away the run, whether it's Walker, whether it's Charbonnay, 478 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 2: whether it's Shawn Alexander out there, if you can take 479 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,640 Speaker 2: that away and put this thing in Gino Smith's hands. 480 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:14,479 Speaker 2: Not to say that Gino still can't throw for four 481 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 2: hundred yards, but you saw last week what happens when 482 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 2: they are balanced on offense and how that can dictate 483 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 2: the game. They overpowered the Arizona Cardinals, a team that 484 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 2: three weeks ago was leading that division and was looking 485 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 2: like a world beater itself. They have been able to 486 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:32,119 Speaker 2: take this thing back in the NFC West and what 487 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 2: has been a wide open division all season long. Yep, 488 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 2: they got off to a slow start, they rallied. I 489 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 2: think the run offense has had a big reason to 490 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,439 Speaker 2: do for that. If you can take that away, be 491 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 2: able to get off Gino Smith, get some sex, get 492 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 2: some turnovers, I think that's your paths to victory. Yeah. 493 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,920 Speaker 1: And I think this one because I think the Packers 494 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: are going to do just fine against the run with 495 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: Seattle based on what they've done the last three weeks 496 00:23:56,600 --> 00:24:00,439 Speaker 1: against Christian McCaffrey, against Devon A. Chann and Raheem Moster, 497 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 1: and against David Montgomery and Jamier Gibbs. I think against 498 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: some pretty darn good, dangerous running backs in this league, 499 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: the Packers have have done pretty well against the run. 500 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 1: So to me, this game just comes down to how 501 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,880 Speaker 1: much can you disrupt Gino Smith? And you can. You 502 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 1: just cannot let him get comfortable, because if he gets 503 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,959 Speaker 1: into a groove and he gets confident and he wants 504 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,439 Speaker 1: and he's feeling really good about challenging you down the field, 505 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:34,159 Speaker 1: he becomes a really, really dangerous quarterback I think, and 506 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,880 Speaker 1: I don't mean to ignore everything on the offensive side 507 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: of the ball. For Green Bay, You're gonna have to 508 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 1: deal with the crowd noise. This is gonna be you know, 509 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a raucous environment. The Packers have talked 510 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,879 Speaker 1: about how they thought maybe the Lions were getting a 511 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 1: little bit of a jump on the silent count last 512 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,439 Speaker 1: Thursday at Ford Field, so they might make some adjustments 513 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,399 Speaker 1: with regard to that to help out the offense a 514 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: little bit, particularly the offensive line. As far as getting 515 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,880 Speaker 1: off at the snap, I think I think the Packers 516 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 1: offensively are going to be fine as long as they 517 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: can break this interception streak that the Seahawks defense is on, 518 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,400 Speaker 1: as long as Jordan Love can keep his own interception 519 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,239 Speaker 1: free streak going. So for me, the focus is just 520 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:18,400 Speaker 1: on don't let Gino Smith get comfortable, disrupt him and 521 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 1: create the mistake or two throughout the course of the 522 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:24,639 Speaker 1: game that could keep the momentum on your side. 523 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 2: Green Bay just and again this probably goes back to 524 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:28,919 Speaker 2: some of the silent calls, but they just run the 525 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 2: ball better too, I mean, create holes for Josh Jacobs. 526 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 2: I mean it is available there for him with the title, 527 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 2: the way that this guy is running right now. Not 528 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 2: to say it needs to be one hundred and fifty 529 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 2: yards again every game or anything like that, but like 530 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 2: you know, if Josh Jacobs has one hundred yard game too, 531 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,880 Speaker 2: I mean the way that that can control the atmosphere 532 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 2: and the tempo of a football game and allow Jordan 533 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,159 Speaker 2: Love to be in situations where he doesn't feel like 534 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:54,679 Speaker 2: he has to gun it as much in third and 535 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 2: long or some of those type of incidents. There is 536 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 2: an inundation and there is an infinite amount of different 537 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 2: variables that could play into the Green Bay Packers winning 538 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 2: or losing this football game. 539 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, the more that you. 540 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 2: Control the pace of this thing in that environment, protect 541 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 2: the football, and take away the football, you come up 542 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 2: on the plus side of that. 543 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:18,680 Speaker 3: I think the Packers are going to be okay. 544 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think there was I think there was 545 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 1: a little bit of a lesson learned as far as 546 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,199 Speaker 1: the Packers offense. Going back to that Detroit game that 547 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,439 Speaker 1: we saw early in the game the Lions were the 548 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 1: Lions were selling out to stop the run. They were 549 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 1: not going to let Josh Jacobs establish what he wanted 550 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 1: to establish. But then what happened when the Packers got 551 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:40,400 Speaker 1: down ten to nothing, the first touchdown drive, the first 552 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 1: scoring drive the Packers put together. What did they do? 553 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 1: They pounded the ball at a team that was determined 554 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 1: to stop the run, and they got the run going anyway. 555 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 1: And I think that's something that's something you can hang 556 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 1: your hat on a little bit to say, all right, 557 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 1: you know, just because we were down ten to nothing 558 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 1: and they, you know, and they were selling out to 559 00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: stop the run, that doesn't mean you just don't run 560 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 1: the football you still, I mean. And it was the 561 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: combination of running backs, Jacob's being the leader, of course, 562 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 1: but Emmanuel Wilson Chris Brooks were worked into that as well. 563 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,199 Speaker 1: And that first touchdown drive against Detroit that got the 564 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,439 Speaker 1: Packers back into things was almost entirely on the ground. 565 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: So I think that's something that will be interesting to 566 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: watch going forward. It is worth clarifying Wes, even though 567 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 1: it is so highly unlikely. 568 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 3: But there is a. 569 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 1: Scenario I'll be watching tonight by which the Packers can 570 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 1: actually clinch a playoff spot this week, and it involves 571 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 1: three things happening One would be a win at Seattle, 572 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 1: Another would be the Raiders defeating the Falcons on Monday 573 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 1: Night Football. And then the third piece, which is the 574 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 1: most unlikely, is that the forty nine Ers and the 575 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,639 Speaker 1: Rams would tie on Thursday Night Football, which would be tonight, 576 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: So not likely to happen, but it does illustrate how 577 00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 1: close the Packers are at this point two locking up 578 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 1: their playoff spot. They're on the edge. It's almost there, 579 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,359 Speaker 1: but the Packers have some business take care. 580 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,440 Speaker 2: The cynic and me wants to say what was more 581 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,119 Speaker 2: unlikely that the Rams and forty nine Ers playing to 582 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 2: attire the Raiders feeding the Falcons right now? 583 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 1: And see, I think just about anybody could be Yeah, 584 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,159 Speaker 1: that's fair right now. That I mean the way they've played, 585 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,679 Speaker 1: the way they've played their last two games against the 586 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:23,200 Speaker 1: Chargers and the Vikings. 587 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, and Kirk Cousins has been on a run here, 588 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,399 Speaker 2: basically been like the opposite of Geno Smith and some 589 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 2: of these teams since the buy. But be that as 590 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,879 Speaker 2: it may. Yeah, I mean, let's be honest, Mike. And 591 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 2: one of the points I made it inside our inbox 592 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 2: was it's great to have a winning season. The Packers 593 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 2: have achieved that. Now nine wins is not enough. You 594 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 2: have to keep pushing. You have to keep pounding and 595 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 2: then just see where the rest of the dominoes fall. 596 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 2: Last year was about trying to sneak in. This year 597 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 2: is about positioning, and green Bay needs to defend its 598 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 2: position that it's in right now, the advantage that it holds. 599 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 2: Maybe not in the NFC North, but in the conference. 600 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 2: There's a lot of teams in this conference that would 601 00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 2: do anything to be nine to four at this point. 602 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 2: Green Bay has to be able to maximize that and 603 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 2: figure out what happens there. Clinch this spot. May not 604 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 2: happen this weekend, likely won't, but clinch the spot here, 605 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 2: get your ticket punched into January. 606 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, and then from there then you. 607 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 2: Can start to figure out all these other variables that 608 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 2: you want to figure out. Yeah. 609 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 1: And for those wondering, Okay, so if the forty nine 610 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 1: ers and the Rams aren't gonna tie, like, what's the 611 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 1: best result there for green Bay? The best result would 612 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 1: be for the forty nine ers to win that game 613 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: to get the Rams a seventh loss. So if you don't, 614 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 1: if you don't want to sit there and try to 615 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 1: root for a tie, root for the forty nine ers 616 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 1: to beat the Rams. Two other games that have an 617 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 1: impact that will have an impact on the Packers playoff pickture. 618 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 1: Chicago is at Minnesota on Monday Night football. We have 619 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: one of these Monday night doubleheader things. I'll let you 620 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 1: talk about that if. 621 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 3: You thank you. 622 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 1: The other one is Washington is at New Orleans. So 623 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 1: Washington is the team right now in the seventh spot 624 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 1: in the NFC. New Orleans is the team that is 625 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 1: come to lambeau Field next week to play the Green 626 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 1: Bay Packers on Monday Night football. So those two games 627 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: also will have an impact on the playoff picture as 628 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 1: it relates to the Packers in the NFC bear Down. 629 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 3: If there was ever a time where the Chicago Bears can. 630 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 1: Hope, hopefully, hopefully it's not a repeat of three hundred 631 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 1: and nineteen yards to four at halftime, that would maybe 632 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 1: that would that'd be nice. 633 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 2: I'm really worried for the Chicago Bears here. We'll see 634 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 2: any given doubleheader on a Monday night. But Minnesota looked 635 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 2: dominant last week in the Kirk Cousins Bowl, and Chicago 636 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 2: is reeling right now. So hey, again, you never know 637 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 2: what could happen. Certainly, the Packers, everybody in the state 638 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 2: of Wisconsin, big Bears fans, there's really no detriment at 639 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 2: all to the Bears winning that game. You want to 640 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 2: see that come out the Raiders game. As much as 641 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 2: I was trying to make a funny there earlier. This 642 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 2: is very interesting because Atlanta was the team this year 643 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 2: that sort of was like, Okay, we want to try 644 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 2: to win this year. And I've said this time and 645 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 2: time again, Mike, if you're building your roster at the 646 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 2: end of July and into August, like with veteran players 647 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 2: that were still in the market, I don't think that's 648 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 2: historically been a great key to success. That's sort of 649 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 2: the dream team model, and very rarely does it work out. 650 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:26,720 Speaker 2: And I think Atlanta has been solely figuring that out. 651 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 2: I mean these Michael Pennix images of him on the 652 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 2: sideline watching this team play, watching this offense play, I 653 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 2: mean it's difficult. I mean he has the helmet on, 654 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 2: he's sitting there. It's like the car's waiting. Just when 655 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 2: do you want to finally see what it has to 656 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 2: offer you. It may not be this season, but if 657 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 2: the Raiders do find. 658 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 3: A way to win that game. 659 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 2: Not only it is Atlanta's wild card hopes take a significant, 660 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 2: significant setback there. It's going to get harder and harder 661 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 2: to keep pace with Tampa Bay in that division. 662 00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:02,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, Tampa Bay. Tampa Bay is possibly in, you know, 663 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 1: in a spot where they could they could you know, 664 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 1: get a little bit more of a stranglehold on that 665 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 1: NFC South and try to get try to get the 666 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 1: division championship. There. Two big games to talk about real 667 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 1: quickly before we go. Two matchups in the NFL this 668 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 1: week that that feature all the teams with double digit 669 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 1: victories at this stage. Buffalo is at Detroit and Pittsburgh 670 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 1: is at Philadelphia the Battle of Pennsylvania. So and both 671 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 1: of those games I believe are in the three twenty 672 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: five time slot. So we'll be kind of watching those 673 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 1: wrap up in the press box in Seattle as we're 674 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 1: getting ready for the Packers and the Seahawks to kick off. 675 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 1: But just your thoughts on on where things go here 676 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 1: with with Bill's Lions and Steelers Eagles. 677 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 3: Bill's got to get one back here. 678 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, they do. 679 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,239 Speaker 2: And because not that, I mean, we know they're going 680 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 2: to be in the playoffs. We've won the division once 681 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 2: again for what was it the fifth straight year? 682 00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe it's five straight AFC East titles for Buffalo. 683 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 2: Now, this is a team that wants to win a 684 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 2: Super Bowl, and I think in many ways needs to 685 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 2: win a Super Bowl. They've been sort of circling the 686 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 2: wagons here for a number of years, but just haven't 687 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 2: been able to finish the job. 688 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 3: Well, now you're going to take. 689 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 2: On one of the true juggernauts of the NFL so 690 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:13,719 Speaker 2: and you have to go into their place to do it. 691 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 2: So that is going to be an ultimate litmus test 692 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,400 Speaker 2: for Josh Allen, big test for that defense, seeing if 693 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 2: they can meet that challenge. 694 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 1: That Detroit's very especially the way Buffalo's defense struggled against 695 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 1: the Yeah, Matthew Stafford and Puka Nakua, those guys last week. 696 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 1: That I mean, maybe that's the wake up call, so 697 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 1: to speak, that the Buffalo defense needed. I'll be very 698 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 1: interested to see how that defense responds against the Lions 699 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 1: after what happened to him last week. 700 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. 701 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 2: So, I mean, again, the Bills can come up there 702 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,480 Speaker 2: get one back. That certainly would be a beneficial to 703 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 2: Green Bay. I am really interested to watch Pittsburgh. We 704 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 2: won't really get that big of an opportunity to see 705 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 2: the game, but Steelers have been one of the most 706 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 2: impressive teams in terms of relative to what their expectations 707 00:33:58,160 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 2: were this year, and if they were the Cleveland Brown, 708 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 2: I feel like Mike Tomlin be the favorite for Coach of. 709 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 3: The Year right now. 710 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:04,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. 711 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 2: But Philadelphia on the other side of this thing, is 712 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,880 Speaker 2: also thinking, Okay, we did not peak at the end 713 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,239 Speaker 2: of last season. We did falter down the stretch. I 714 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 2: think that's a big game for both of these teams 715 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,760 Speaker 2: again with the idea of momentum in mind and seeing 716 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 2: who can impose the will on their other fellow Pennsylvanian. 717 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know how I always like to talk about, 718 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,880 Speaker 1: as I just did with regard to Buffalo's defense, I 719 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:27,799 Speaker 1: like to talk about, Okay, how is a team going 720 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 1: to respond to what just happened? Philadelphia last week went 721 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:36,319 Speaker 1: to Carolina and got taken into the fourth quorder by 722 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 1: a Carolina team that is definitely improving, but a Carolina 723 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 1: team that is out of it and not really going 724 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 1: anywhere this year. They needed a touchdown in the fourth 725 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,840 Speaker 1: quarter to be able to pull that game out. So 726 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 1: was that just a bump in the road for Philadelphia 727 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:55,759 Speaker 1: that they survived after playing, you know, so strong for 728 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:57,920 Speaker 1: a couple of months there where they were looking as 729 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 1: good as anybody in the league and with Saquon Barkley 730 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:06,400 Speaker 1: and Jalen Hurts and that whole offensive juggernaut or is 731 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 1: you know, is there something to you know, have the 732 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,839 Speaker 1: Are the Eagles potentially starting to lose something like they 733 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,839 Speaker 1: did last year and they aren't going to be able 734 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 1: to finish as strong as they want to. Last last 735 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 1: week's game, they survived it, they got the win. But 736 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,280 Speaker 1: now they've got a major test in the Pittsburgh Steelers 737 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 1: and how do they how do they react respond to 738 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:26,959 Speaker 1: what happened to them last week? 739 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 2: Well, and it's all about playoff positioning for them and 740 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,759 Speaker 2: being able to build this thing up so you have 741 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,759 Speaker 2: some confidence. I don't know if I ever remember a 742 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,440 Speaker 2: team entering the playoffs that had less momentum than the 743 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,839 Speaker 2: Eagles did last year. Oh that was yeah, And that 744 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,799 Speaker 2: was they were as much of a team could be, 745 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,759 Speaker 2: as far as a dead man walking entering the postseason 746 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 2: play as I think I've seen in years. I mean, 747 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:49,760 Speaker 2: they lost the division and then they kind of lost 748 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,800 Speaker 2: their grip on everything, and they just sort of skirted 749 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,800 Speaker 2: by based on what they did the first twelve weeks 750 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 2: and and they were dispatched relatively early and with ease. 751 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,279 Speaker 2: So yeah, again it's gonna be it's gonna be huge here. 752 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 2: And then the other side of it that the Eagles 753 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,239 Speaker 2: have to think about, much like what Green Bay was 754 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:05,840 Speaker 2: in last week when we were looking at the NFC 755 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,000 Speaker 2: North Race, the Eagles would still love to get that 756 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,440 Speaker 2: first round by as well, and they're one game behind Detroit. 757 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,239 Speaker 1: Right if I mean, that's the thing. If the if 758 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,760 Speaker 1: the Eagles win and if the Lions lose at home 759 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,840 Speaker 1: to Buffalo, then suddenly, you know, the Eagles and the 760 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,600 Speaker 1: Lions are tied for the top spot in the NFC. 761 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,000 Speaker 1: But then if it goes the other way, if it 762 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,680 Speaker 1: goes the other way, then suddenly the Eagles are two 763 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,440 Speaker 1: games back. If they lose and the Lions win, the 764 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 1: Eagles are two games back of the top spot with 765 00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,759 Speaker 1: only three games to play, and they probably don't have 766 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,560 Speaker 1: any realistic shot at getting the first rounds. Why there's 767 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:39,560 Speaker 1: there's a ton on the Lion. 768 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's a really high stakes match up there 769 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 2: for for both of those teams in their in their 770 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,319 Speaker 2: respective divisions, and to be honest with you, as much 771 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 2: as we made a couple funnies about the Rams and 772 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:53,080 Speaker 2: the forty nine ers, yeah, both of those teams, depending 773 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,960 Speaker 2: on what the circumstances are, could find themselves clawing themselves 774 00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,600 Speaker 2: into a wild card spot. But ultimately they have to 775 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,280 Speaker 2: try to heat pace here with Seattle, yeah, in trying 776 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,439 Speaker 2: to get that NFC West championship, and that I think 777 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:07,760 Speaker 2: it's really an interesting week, Mike. You got the Thursday 778 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,239 Speaker 2: night game, you got the two big three twenty five 779 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,400 Speaker 2: games on Sunday. Obviously the Sunday Night football game has 780 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 2: a lot of consequences with it. But other than that, 781 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:16,840 Speaker 2: there isn't a whole lot going on this week in 782 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,720 Speaker 2: the NFL unless you're really into the whole like Kansas 783 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,680 Speaker 2: City Jameis Winston thing. But I mean, yeah, there isn't 784 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:23,640 Speaker 2: much to really point to. 785 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, those the big games at you know, starting at 786 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,480 Speaker 1: three twenty five Central time on Sunday, those couple of 787 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,240 Speaker 1: big games and culminating with Packers and Seahawks on Sunday 788 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,400 Speaker 1: Night Football, that should be a pretty good stretch of 789 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,120 Speaker 1: NFL action. But yeah, outside of that. 790 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 2: Oh and then if yeah, the Chargers could take our 791 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,920 Speaker 2: business against Tampa too, I mean again, teams trying to 792 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:43,800 Speaker 2: get their seventh loss that would help in the NFC. 793 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely Well, folks, the countdown to the twenty 794 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,640 Speaker 1: twenty five NFL drafting green Bay has begun, So mark 795 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 1: your calendars for April twenty four through April twenty six 796 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,720 Speaker 1: of twenty twenty five, and visit green Bay dot com 797 00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,520 Speaker 1: slash Draft twenty five for more information. And with that 798 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 1: we'll call a wrap on this edition of Packers Unscripted. 799 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,040 Speaker 1: I'm sure to follow all of our coverage of the 800 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,560 Speaker 1: team and everything from Sunday nights big game in Seattle. 801 00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,400 Speaker 1: Wes and I will be there and we'll have it 802 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,439 Speaker 1: all for you on Packers dot com. For Wes, I'm Mike. 803 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,719 Speaker 1: Thank you for tuning in. Everybody. We wilcome see you 804 00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:14,080 Speaker 1: next time.