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Speaker 1: Welcome to Naked Sports, the podcast where we live at

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Speaker 1: the intersection of sports, politics, and culture. Our purpose reveal

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Speaker 1: the common threads that bind them all.

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Speaker 2: So what's happening in women's basketball right now is what

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Speaker 2: we've been trying to get to for almost thirty years.

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Speaker 1: From the stadiums where athlete break barriers and set records.

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Speaker 2: Caitlin Quark broke the all time single game assists record.

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Speaker 2: This is crazy for rookies to be doing.

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Speaker 1: Our discussions will uncover the vital connections between these realms

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Speaker 1: and the community we create. And each episode we'll sit

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Speaker 1: down with athletes, political analysts, and culture critics because at

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Speaker 1: the core of it all, how we see one issue

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Speaker 1: shines the light on all others. Welcome to Naked Sports.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Carrie Champion. Isabelle Harrison is a VET

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Speaker 1: in this league at least by all things considered, And

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Speaker 1: when I tell you, she has the sweetest spirit, the

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Speaker 1: sweetest soul. Her playing career for me became of note

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Speaker 1: when she was at Tennessee and she played under the

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Speaker 1: Great Pat Summit, and she will talk about that today.

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Speaker 1: She will also talk about her relationship with the Liberty,

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Speaker 1: a new team that she's been in for one season,

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Speaker 1: her relationship with another VET in this league, Tea Cloud,

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Speaker 1: and we get into obviously the news of the week,

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Speaker 1: what in fact will happen with the WNBA as they

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Speaker 1: deal with these CBA negotiations, and also what many believe

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Speaker 1: is a commissioner that doesn't hear them or see them.

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Speaker 1: This episode of Naked Sports, at least for me, is

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Speaker 1: one of my favorites because we really got into just

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Speaker 1: about everything. It's authentic, it's true, and it's about how,

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Speaker 1: in fact women's sports needs to be elevated and amplified,

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Speaker 1: and these athletes are more than just faces. They are people,

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Speaker 1: and they are asking folks to see their humanity and

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Speaker 1: who they are and why they care so much about

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Speaker 1: this sport.

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Speaker 2: What's up, Y'all's Isy Harrison from the New York Liberty.

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Speaker 2: I'm here with Carrie and let's get into it. A.

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Speaker 1: Let's get into it, Okay, So is he I have

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Speaker 1: a confession, my confessional. I have stalked your your Instagram.

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Speaker 1: I have had a crush on you for a long

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Speaker 1: time in the sense of I just love how you

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Speaker 1: carry yourself. You're always smiling, You're always light or appearing

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Speaker 1: light off the court, right, and then when you're about

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Speaker 1: your business, you're about your business, and I think that

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Speaker 1: it it. And so many people, we have a lot

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Speaker 1: of mutual friends with so many people I know respect you.

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Speaker 1: So I was like, I'm very curious about you. I

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Speaker 1: want you, And that was one of the main reasons.

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Speaker 1: I was like, I'm curious about the human that you are. Yea, yeah,

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Speaker 1: So do you hear that a lot do people tell

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Speaker 1: you they love yourselma? How kind a lot of people.

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Speaker 2: Do say they love my light? And I'm just I've

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Speaker 2: prided myself into just carrying myself like that. And I

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Speaker 2: come from a big family. I'm one to twelve, so.

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Speaker 1: Like one of twelve children.

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Speaker 2: Children, Yes, how does that dad? My mom and dad

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Speaker 2: are just doing their things.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, No one has twelve kids anymore.

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Speaker 2: No one does that anymore. It's very like an old

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Speaker 2: school thing to do. But yeah, that's how I grew up.

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Speaker 2: And again say, mom, same dad, and seven sisters, five brothers,

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Speaker 2: and like my likeness from them.

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Speaker 1: Where do you? Where are you in the twelve.

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Speaker 2: I'm number ten. Damn I'm number ten. Yeah, so I'm

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Speaker 1: So they just decided they were done at ten.

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Speaker 2: I guess not. No, well yeah, but then obviously I

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Speaker 2: and then Dority. She's also playing professional basketball right now,

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Speaker 2: so yeah, she's doing her thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so I'm really I'm curious growing up in

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Speaker 1: you realize this is not normal? We got a lot

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so when you grow up, it doesn't feel like

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Speaker 2: I'm like the perfect blend between the two.

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Speaker 1: Now, when you grew up, was there ever a time

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Speaker 1: clearly did you share a room? I hope you didn't.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I didn't have my own room until I

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Speaker 2: That's actually insane. Oh wow, yeah, what was that?

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Speaker 1: Like? Why I tell you this, I'm a little envious.

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Speaker 1: I'm an only child, meaning I have half brothers and sisters. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I just grew up just with me and my mother,

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Speaker 1: I just I've just been on my own since.

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Speaker 2: You don't give me only child Really.

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Speaker 1: What does only child give? What does the other child give?

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Speaker 2: Very just like it's all about me, like no care

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Speaker 2: Clearly you like helped me out somewhere, so yeah, you

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Speaker 1: Tell that story? Oh lord? Can we tell that story?

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Speaker 1: Or should we die?

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Speaker 2: I think we can tell it because it's funny now,

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Speaker 2: But at the time I was stressed.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so so so I have been planning this and

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Speaker 1: I've been stalking her. I've been an inner DNS. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: on time. You are you were before on time? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: to play the game where I'm like just on dime.

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Speaker 1: And then she go back and shr after your schedule.

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Speaker 1: I'm like why and she's like, my driver dropped me

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Speaker 2: So it was in that moment like I'm planning a

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Speaker 2: loopis walker I have on Saturday, Like on another zoom.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, ten minutes away. That's when I text you,

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Speaker 2: and I'm like, we're not anywhere close to the city,

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Speaker 2: Like what what actually going on? But I was actually

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Speaker 2: I end up being at the Newark Airport, oh and

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Speaker 1: And so she called me and said, I'm gonna have

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Speaker 1: this forever. I love you so much.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you got to work.

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Speaker 1: I was like no, I'll get you a new work

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Speaker 1: oh now. And then you're like are you sure? Yes? Back,

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Speaker 2: It was also telling where my apartment was, so I

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Speaker 2: was like, wow, like I got here in like what

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Speaker 2: less than thirty.

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Speaker 1: Less than thirty and I was so happy and I

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Speaker 2: I've been on my phone multitasking, so you know, it's like, yo, yeah, we're.

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Speaker 1: So And then that's another part of like like women

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Speaker 1: what is going on? I totally understood and did not

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: I was like, no, you're coming.

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Speaker 2: I didn't care. I had a call Tosh and she

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Speaker 2: was like, we just pivot because we've been practicing that,

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Speaker 1: She's like, what does that mean when you guys have

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Speaker 2: Everybody's boom, Yeah, but everybody everybody's boom but your boo, Yes,

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Speaker 1: Everybody has a question. We have a crush on her.

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Speaker 1: About how Tasha Cloud carries herself on and off the court. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: makes people just respect her because it's come about business,

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Speaker 2: Just was like, we just pivot. We're big ones and

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Speaker 2: like not letting things just like throw us off completely

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Speaker 2: get riled up about things like this anymore because it happens.

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Speaker 2: It's not life or death.

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Speaker 1: It's not a real thing.

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Speaker 2: You will be okay, yeah, and we're here, and we're here.

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Speaker 2: So you told her were happened, and she was like

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Speaker 2: role with her too. It's like it's just the best balance, honestly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how do you guys meet?

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Speaker 2: Obviously we have like debated telling the story like so

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Speaker 2: many times because you know how the internet can be,

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Speaker 2: like they can just like the Internet, hate the Internet.

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Speaker 2: It's a very unseerious place. It's a very.

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Speaker 1: Serious place and no one cares about actual humanity or

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Speaker 2: And I love that about Oh, I love that you

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Speaker 2: said that because that is me in toash to our core.

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Speaker 2: We talk about this stuff like all the time, so

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Speaker 2: we really own the perfect partners. But we met during

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Speaker 2: AU the first season of AU, and it was really

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Speaker 2: players like before AU and unrival. There was never really

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Speaker 2: a space for women's basketball like players to compete against

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Speaker 2: each other, whether it was overseas, and it only happened

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Speaker 2: in the W and usually the W you only hang

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Speaker 2: out with your teammates. You don't usually go to other

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Speaker 2: people's know houses from other teams. So we just kind

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Speaker 2: of like had that experience to really get to know everyone,

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Speaker 2: like players I played against for forever and never really

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Speaker 2: So Tash was one of those people. And when I

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Speaker 2: I met at all, I just knew she was crazy,

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Speaker 1: just like they feel that you know you just like

435
00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,440
Speaker 1: so I get you don't want to you don't want

436
00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,840
Speaker 1: to be like I get that, but I think also

437
00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,680
Speaker 1: it's so rare to feel that when you meet someone,

438
00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:31,240
Speaker 1: so that's also a compliment. How do you feel about

439
00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,639
Speaker 1: the season? How do you feel about the Liberty season?

440
00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:36,480
Speaker 1: Speaking of being in Barclays the best And I've said

441
00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:38,399
Speaker 1: this to Claire, I've said this, I've interviewed her a

442
00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:41,600
Speaker 1: few times, her channels with her, she's great, she gets it.

443
00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,800
Speaker 1: I've been in environments with her. Very few owners are

444
00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:49,120
Speaker 1: that accessible, and that's what I think that sets her

445
00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,800
Speaker 1: apart from everyone else. I have been in spots and

446
00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:54,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, hey how are you? And

447
00:20:54,520 --> 00:21:00,320
Speaker 1: and she's chatty and yeah, she is a tie, So

448
00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,399
Speaker 1: I think that also helps. So what what has it

449
00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:04,639
Speaker 1: been like for you first season?

450
00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:09,800
Speaker 2: Yeah? Do you feel first season? I mean one, stepping

451
00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:13,320
Speaker 2: into just the facilities day one that blew me away

452
00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:16,159
Speaker 2: because I've never had that in my career ten year

453
00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:20,840
Speaker 2: career now in the W. So obviously the resources helped tremendously,

454
00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:24,800
Speaker 2: which is why it was another big reason for me

455
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:26,679
Speaker 2: to come to a team like New York. And obviously

456
00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:28,720
Speaker 2: they won the year prior, but I'm like, I still

457
00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,600
Speaker 2: want to be treated like a great basketball player. I'll

458
00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:33,879
Speaker 2: still want to be treated in value like I know

459
00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:37,119
Speaker 2: that we all should be treated. So yeah, being with

460
00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,320
Speaker 2: the Liberty was really like a dream come true. I

461
00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:41,840
Speaker 2: keep saying that, but like it truly is so special

462
00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:44,920
Speaker 2: to be here in New York play at Barclays Is.

463
00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:47,760
Speaker 2: He has fans like ever.

464
00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,919
Speaker 1: You arguably have the best best at w NBA organization

465
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,120
Speaker 1: that there is for sure.

466
00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,400
Speaker 2: No doubt about it, Like there's no arguments there and

467
00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,080
Speaker 2: I could be biased, but I'm telling you, Even playing

468
00:21:58,119 --> 00:21:59,720
Speaker 2: against New York when I was on other teams, it

469
00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,399
Speaker 2: just felt like such a moment. So I knew I

470
00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,200
Speaker 2: wanted to carry that passion and that care into this season.

471
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,240
Speaker 2: So whenever I got the opportunity to play this year,

472
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:11,560
Speaker 2: like I gave it my awe like I do every year,

473
00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,119
Speaker 2: but this was just a very different situation for me,

474
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,639
Speaker 2: and I was really happy that JK took the you know,

475
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:19,720
Speaker 2: the chance to sign me and be here and prove

476
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:21,760
Speaker 2: everybody that I still have it. And because I was

477
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,960
Speaker 2: dealing with injuries in the past too, so that was

478
00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 2: kind of frustrating for me. But yeah, being in New York,

479
00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 2: it was It's a dream.

480
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:41,080
Speaker 1: So they fire Sandy. Yeah, And first of all, I

481
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:46,280
Speaker 1: felt like the question that was asked in that presser

482
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,480
Speaker 1: and the presser, I was like, whoa, it was a

483
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,960
Speaker 1: little much. But then I'm all, like they in front

484
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:54,480
Speaker 1: of her, That's what I felt like. I was like,

485
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 1: have I seen that in other leagues? Maybe I have,

486
00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,159
Speaker 1: and I haven't paid attention to it, but it felt

487
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,439
Speaker 1: like a lot. Yeah, but I understood it was a

488
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,920
Speaker 1: question that needed to be asked because as a journalist,

489
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,879
Speaker 1: I understand that, Yeah, did you think what did you

490
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 1: think about how that all played out? Did you think

491
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 1: she would lose one year after winning it all? Did

492
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,120
Speaker 1: you think that she would not be your head coach

493
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:13,920
Speaker 1: the following year?

494
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 2: Not at all. And I was coached by Sandy my

495
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,199
Speaker 2: rookie year in Phoenix, so like, I've seen her be

496
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:25,119
Speaker 2: so successful. So I don't know what happened prior to

497
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 2: me being in New York and obviously following up from

498
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 2: the championship year going to this year, and we definitely

499
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:35,399
Speaker 2: fell short of our goal this year obviously, So I

500
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:39,199
Speaker 2: don't know what prior history and conversations that happened. But

501
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,400
Speaker 2: I don't know if it was just like that time

502
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,919
Speaker 2: like this is when it's going to happen. So it

503
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 2: was unfortunate for Sanny because, like I said, great person,

504
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 2: great coach, great energy. But you know, I was kind

505
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,880
Speaker 2: of hearing some comments Jka had in this press are

506
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,400
Speaker 2: just kind of saying like we just want the best here.

507
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 2: We want people to know how important winning is here

508
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:03,400
Speaker 2: and that's the number one goal. So yeah, it was

509
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 2: It was frustrating. It sucks, but I could see like

510
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,399
Speaker 2: they want to make sure they continue that winning track

511
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 2: and just getting people here that can do that.

512
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is how ask those are things that those

513
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,879
Speaker 1: are tough questions. You got to ask them. It's so hard.

514
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,160
Speaker 2: I just think after the last game, I don't think

515
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:18,200
Speaker 2: that should have been asked.

516
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:23,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, like let's let's settle, let's battle Sandy as.

517
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 2: A coach, Like even if those have been conversations like

518
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 2: you don't do it after the last game of the season.

519
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 2: And I'm sure it was one of our liberty like journalists.

520
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,679
Speaker 2: So to me, that's kind of like, just put some

521
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:37,639
Speaker 2: ice on it for right now. I'm sure you're going

522
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 2: to ask in the future, so maybe just wait. But

523
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,159
Speaker 2: I think they could have gave more respect to Sandy,

524
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 2: just to not do it right then and there.

525
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,200
Speaker 1: When I think about what they have asked or things

526
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 1: that you've you know, just throughout your career, even going

527
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 1: back to your college career, you've been in these these

528
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 1: moments where they've they've taken your coaches and a lot

529
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 1: of the especially a lot with women's sports, they highlight

530
00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,399
Speaker 1: the coaches a lot in a lot of ways that

531
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:03,199
Speaker 1: that's starting change. But like when you were at Tennessee, yeah,

532
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 1: and under the Great Pat Summit, he said that we

533
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 1: would talk about her, Yes, exactly, and she obviously is

534
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 1: a legend in her own right right now when you

535
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 1: were I remember one time interview in Candas Parker, she

536
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,119
Speaker 1: was like, whenever I would mess up, I could feel

537
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 1: Pat staring.

538
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,920
Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely.

539
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,679
Speaker 1: She was like, I'm not looking that way because I

540
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:27,120
Speaker 1: feel her.

541
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:31,880
Speaker 2: Okay, eyes, like those blue eyes on you, like it

542
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:32,920
Speaker 2: was nothing to play.

543
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 1: Was it a death stair?

544
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,919
Speaker 2: It was a death stair for like a thousand miles away,

545
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,920
Speaker 2: like you could feel it. So yeah, Cannis is right,

546
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 2: how did she recruit you? It's funny because Tennessee was

547
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 2: always my number one because I'm from Nashville, so of course,

548
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 2: why not play for a great coach and be two

549
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 2: hours from home, have my family there. But that was

550
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 2: at the time I wasn't really getting a lot of

551
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 2: notice from like any colleges. So I was like, you

552
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 2: know what, well, let's find it back. What can you

553
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,399
Speaker 2: do to get in front of pat? Essentially? And I

554
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 2: had like three more years of AU left, so I

555
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 2: just made sure I did my best at the biggest

556
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 2: like AAU tournaments like the Boo Williams Nike Nationals. Those

557
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,119
Speaker 2: are really things I just had on like my board,

558
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,199
Speaker 2: just to do like my best, and before you know it,

559
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 2: like I had offers from everywhere. So honestly, there was

560
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 2: a point where I was going to pull Tennessee off

561
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 2: the table just because I'm like, I'm getting letters from

562
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 2: I got letters from Yukon, North Carolina like everywhere that

563
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 2: I wanted, like really big name schools. But I was like,

564
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 2: what's important to me? What's my why? And I said,

565
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 2: I want my family to be able to come. My

566
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 2: parents don't travel that much because they have other kids

567
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 2: to care for. What will be the easiest, Tennessee, What

568
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 2: would my coach be like? You will never be able

569
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 2: to replicate a coach like past summer that's too. My

570
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 2: sister at the time was playing volleyball for Tennessee, so

571
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 2: I would have a sister maybe ten minutes from my

572
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 2: dorm room, and I shared a room with her. That

573
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 2: was my last roommate before going to college with my sister.

574
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 2: So I was like, it's going to be like home

575
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 2: all over again. So honestly, Tennessee made the most sense,

576
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 2: and I was like, you know what, it's just time

577
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 2: to just pull the trigger. So I was in my

578
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 2: sixth period class and I get a call for my coach,

579
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 2: like past summit's here at the gym. I was working

580
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 2: on like an ape paper at the time, and my

581
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 2: best friend was next to me. I was like, can

582
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 2: you come to the gym with me? And she was

583
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 2: like sure. She had no idea Pat was going to

584
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 2: be there. So we're like walking to the gym. I

585
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 2: walk in. Mind you, my high school team we weren't

586
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 2: that good by my senior year. My sophomore year, we're

587
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 2: going to stay championship. Senior year, we were not good.

588
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,159
Speaker 2: I walk in. The girls are going like a million

589
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 2: miles per hour. Pat is in the middle of like

590
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 2: half court of the chair, just watching everybody run up

591
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 2: and down. I've never seen my team play like this before.

592
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 2: We're like, what team this? Yeah, like like y'all are

593
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:48,679
Speaker 2: putting on for a Pat and I like, I actually

594
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 2: love it. I get it. Yeah, we're putting on a show.

595
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 2: So she we walked to my coach's office and she's like, well,

596
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 2: you mind if I go in there with you? And

597
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 2: my coach grew up going to like Pat summer camps

598
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 2: and she was if was a huge hooper at the time,

599
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 2: so I was like yeah. So we all go into

600
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,640
Speaker 2: the office and Pat kind of just like sits down

601
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,120
Speaker 2: and was like, is he just telling me you're coming

602
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:14,400
Speaker 2: to Tennessee. I was like, I'm coming to Yeah, I'm

603
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,880
Speaker 2: coming to Tennessee like gangster. Yeah, very.

604
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, you're coming to Tennessee. Right.

605
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 2: That is how Pat is, Like she just talks her

606
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 2: talk and very confident in it. And I had so

607
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 2: many lessons like that going through Tennessee. But yeah, at

608
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 2: that time, she was just like, let me know what

609
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 2: you want to do, like we would love to have you.

610
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 2: And I remember asking her, like what do I tell

611
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 2: the other coaches? She was like they'll understand, Yeah, they'll understand.

612
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 2: I'll let you know if you need to say anything

613
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 2: on these calls. You're going to be there, that's fine,

614
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 2: but you know, just let everybody know you're coming to

615
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 2: ut And that was the start of my career. I'm

616
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 2: so happy I made that choice.

617
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 1: When you get there and you and you and she's

618
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: your coach, uh, does it feel intimate? Does it feel connected?

619
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: Does it like let me just put you through to

620
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: hange the hell out of you until you figure it out.

621
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 2: The pat that I got during recruitment was not the

622
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 2: same path that I got when I got to Tennessee.

623
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 2: Let me tell you, like, of course, And that's just

624
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 2: a common thing that I want athletes to know, Like

625
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 2: the coach that you get during recruitment, they're going to

626
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 2: be And I won't say fake because Pat isn't fake,

627
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 2: Like she's very real with you, but she's still very

628
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 2: a Southern woman that I've grew up around. So they're

629
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 2: gonna tell you all the things that they have and

630
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 2: love you. But once you get there, it's time to

631
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 2: get in line and get with the program. And nobody

632
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 2: was above the program at Tennessee, not Candice, nobody like

633
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 2: it did not matter. And that's why I respect Pat

634
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 2: like that and because sometimes I feel like coaches have

635
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 2: a hard time really in big star players and they

636
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 2: don't know how much that messes with the dynamic. But

637
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 2: when you keep everybody accountable across the board, you get

638
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 2: so much out of players and you know what to

639
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 2: expect out of them every day. When you don't hold

640
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 2: players to the same accountability level, it's just it crazs

641
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 2: like a power dynamic, and it just makes it weird.

642
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 2: So I've always respected Pat for that. So yeah, I

643
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 2: got there. She whipped us in the shape. I didn't

644
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 2: play much my freshman year. I was playing behind like

645
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 2: four all Americans. It was never gonna happen. But I

646
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 2: think that taught me. Like going into the W Actually,

647
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 2: my first year I didn't play that much either. I

648
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 2: was with Phoenix, with Sandy, We had BG Yeah, Diana,

649
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 2: we had Cannons, du Pree Penny.

650
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 1: It just was chill, yeah, chill.

651
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. Like my first year. Obviously you're a freshman in college,

652
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 2: you know, like I want to play every minute and

653
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 2: then like it kind of humbles you. So going into

654
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 2: the W I was like, I've been here before. I'm

655
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 2: gonna let them kind of do their thing and I'll

656
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 2: show up and do my job when I'm ready.

657
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: I explained this to people who don't really understand the

658
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: w There are so few spots, so for you to

659
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: be able to consistently show up even if you don't

660
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: get playing time, then they value you, and so for

661
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 1: you to be able to and then also some stuff

662
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: is unfair. I get it, But there is this thing

663
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 1: of like, I've been in the W four however many

664
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: years that I've been able to stay consistent in spite

665
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: of injuries, in spite of whatever is happening to me.

666
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: That speaks to the talent level. And also how you

667
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 1: how you move because a lot of it's political.

668
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 2: It's very political.

669
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: How do you deal with the political aspect of the NBA.

670
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 2: I think I'm numb to it at this point. I've

671
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 2: had politics in my basketball journey since high school, which

672
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 2: is so weird because I'm like, I'm only here to hoop.

673
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 2: That's all I want to do. But I wish I

674
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 2: would have paid more attention to the politics because they

675
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 2: actually make huge, huge changes and decisions in your journey

676
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,959
Speaker 2: with basketball, So I wish I would have paid more

677
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 2: attention to that. But I think just kind of dealing

678
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 2: with the politics I just let my game show for itself.

679
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 2: And there's even times where that's not enough, and I

680
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 2: hate that. So I just I try to do the

681
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 2: dirty work. I do the things that people don't necessarily

682
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 2: want to do or add to their game, whether that's

683
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 2: defending or rebounding or just playing gritty like, those are

684
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 2: my things that try to outweigh the politics. But there's

685
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 2: honestly times where I just ignore it. I love proving

686
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 2: people wrong.

687
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love.

688
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 2: Hearing something about me and being able to do the

689
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 2: exact opposite, you know. So there's a lot of haters

690
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 2: in this game and so many Yeah, and you can

691
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 2: just either let it take you or just thrive on it.

692
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 2: So I've just I found a good way.

693
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: Of just a good balance of how to deal with it. Yeah,

694
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: I was at where was this this week? I don't know, Monday, Tuesday,

695
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: maybe Monday or tuesdas, I can't remember. But when I

696
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: watched the Physicality Ors exit interview. By way of background,

697
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: I've had her on the pody. Yes, I had her

698
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: on the pod to talk about Unrivaled in the beginning

699
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: of the year, and I also had her on after

700
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 1: she lost to the Liberty and it was the unrivaled

701
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: of it all, losing to Liberty, her relationship with Stewey, Olympics.

702
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: It was just a lot of things that were happening,

703
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 1: and we talked about all of those things. And I've

704
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 1: always we've had a lot of interaction. I've always thought, like,

705
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: I respect how she carries herself. She's very professional on

706
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: and off the course. She just is, and so it

707
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: requires you to step up and be a little more professional.

708
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 1: You have the same And she was talking about officiating,

709
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: you know, two years ago, like complaining about it, how

710
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 1: unfortunate it is as a player in the in the

711
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 1: w y I And I will say this. I know

712
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: people who work in the league office who say their

713
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: argument will be these these referees are doing the best

714
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: that they can, and they have a ninety percent accuracy rating,

715
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: but when they and that's just the human eye. So

716
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if you can actually test that or not.

717
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: I don't know how well then I don't know, like somebody,

718
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: yeah exactly, somebody will tell me that's their response to

719
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: the media. But I look at it, I'm like, this

720
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: is crazy. I got my eye test. I see you,

721
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 1: like Cardi B's like, you know, so I think it's

722
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: uncomfortable when when I see things that are just unfair.

723
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 1: But I wonder if how did you feel and I

724
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: saw that you said I stand with fee. I was

725
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,399
Speaker 1: very happy that you said that, so did I. I'm

726
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: just keeping it bout.

727
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 2: Because that's not easy to come out and say what

728
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 2: she said, and like not only say it, but like

729
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 2: I got.

730
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: Receipts and I'm reading from a prepared statement. I'm giving

731
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,760
Speaker 1: you quotes. So I dare you to say I didn't

732
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 1: say that. I dare you to say I didn't say that,

733
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 1: because the quote of it all, like for me as

734
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: a journalist, I'm like, the quote of it all says,

735
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: I dare you just say, to your point, I didn't

736
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: say that. So I was so proud of her in

737
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: that moment because it always takes one to change the game.

738
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: And it reminded me just of the history of sports

739
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 1: in general. There's always on a player, whether it's Babe Ruth,

740
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,399
Speaker 1: whether it's Jackie Robinson, whether it's I'm thinking and people

741
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: who really Muhammad a lad and I'm not I'm not

742
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: liking her to those like in terms of greatness, but

743
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: in terms of what she did, it is up that level. Yeah,

744
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 1: when you saw her give her four minutes and seventeen

745
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: second speech, I don't know if it's seventeen.

746
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 2: Seconds, it was seventeen Yeah, exactly, I saw, Yeah, I

747
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 2: was good for you.

748
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: What did you think? I just.

749
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 2: I think when you're a professional, you can still get

750
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,479
Speaker 2: to your breaking point of like I'm tired of being that.

751
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,280
Speaker 2: I'm tired of taking like the political route, the nice route,

752
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 2: the formal route. Now we actually need to push the

753
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 2: needle and get things to work. I'm going to tell

754
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 2: you exactly how I feel. I'm not going to sugarcoat it,

755
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 2: and these are the facts. And I think the is

756
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 2: at that point, and we're all at that point. We're

757
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 2: tired of having to go back and forth with the

758
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 2: CBA because it's it. To me, it just shows like

759
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 2: clearly there's not a want to see the players and

760
00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,879
Speaker 2: value the players and to invest in the players when

761
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 2: you are the product, how else do you make this

762
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 2: go without us? So to not not even to the

763
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 2: proposal at the beginning was ludicrous. But now we're asking

764
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 2: you just to what's the compromise here? And there's no

765
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 2: togetherness that to me, it's like now it's giving that

766
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 2: you're just trying to have a protection of what y'all

767
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 2: have instead of knowing like you, we're the reason why

768
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 2: you have what you have. And I know we address Kathy,

769
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 2: but it's along with all these owners for these teams

770
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 2: like you guys have to invest. We showed you this

771
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 2: is a very valuable product, and we've taken so so

772
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 2: much less for so long. We're not at that point anymore,

773
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 2: and we're definitely not gonna let this happen with this

774
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,240
Speaker 2: CBA because it's gonna be so transformative. And the fact

775
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 2: that we're even like discussing a lockout is it's ridiculous

776
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 2: to me. We know what we deserve, and I just

777
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 2: think the lack of cooperation has been frustrating from all parts.

778
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 1: Do you think her statements came from one the officiating

779
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,879
Speaker 1: but to also how the CBA negotiations are going.

780
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I mean with her injury one, you

781
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 2: saw show crash out when your star player goes out

782
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,720
Speaker 2: like that, and we all know eighties a very physical

783
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 2: players too, So I don't think it was anything you

784
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 2: tell it was exactly. It was a play for the ball,

785
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 2: but just I think it's not about that play, but

786
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 2: probably the plays before that led up to that frustration

787
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 2: that oftentimes I think players and coaches can get to,

788
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,760
Speaker 2: like again their breaking point with referees, and I think

789
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 2: more players and coaches will be okay with what's being

790
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 2: called if there was more of a relationship between these

791
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 2: refs and the players.

792
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: And is there no relationship.

793
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 2: I mean, you have some that's been in the game

794
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 2: for a couple of years, so you know, just naturally

795
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 2: you start to know each other. But a lot of

796
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 2: these refs come into the league and they don't know

797
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 2: anything about us. Who knows what league they're coming from

798
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 2: from the training? Is it G League, college, we don't know.

799
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 2: But they don't know us as players, So I think

800
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 2: that kind of helps them be able to understand who

801
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 2: we are. And sometimes the calls that they make is

802
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 2: just like you don't know how this player plays, or

803
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 2: you don't know who this is. I don't know how

804
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 2: to explain it better than that, but I just I

805
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 2: wish there was more of like a relationship that will

806
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 2: be built with the coaches and the players to the referees.

807
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,399
Speaker 1: Do you think the referees, from my understanding, they're part time,

808
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: They're not full time referees. Because of the truncated season,

809
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 1: ye or they can't be full time, they have go.

810
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 2: To other leagues. I've see these referees in AU as well,

811
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 2: and I've had a rough that was I've had her

812
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 2: for years and she almost fouled me out of the

813
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 2: game in AU. I was like, this is and say,

814
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 2: you know who I am. You know the type of

815
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 2: player that I am, so to call these fouls on me?

816
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 2: And I do this in the league and I never

817
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 2: get called. And I think that's also the issue too,

818
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,720
Speaker 2: the inconsistency of the type of calls that are being played.

819
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 2: And I'm going to also touch on the idea of

820
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 2: why is playoff officiating different than regular season officiating, because

821
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 2: it's just I don't know what to expect going into

822
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 2: every game, and sometimes you know players and see a

823
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,439
Speaker 2: certain ref calling a game and it's like, oh God,

824
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 2: it's gonna be a long night to night. It shouldn't

825
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 2: be that way. If there's like a set of rules

826
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 2: and how things should be called. Why are players so

827
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 2: frustrated when certain refs get certain games?

828
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 1: And that's in the NBA, that's across the they understand

829
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: who those players are. Chris Paul had an infamous back

830
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 1: and forth with So let me ask you this. I

831
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 1: and I hate comparing the NBA to the WNBA, so

832
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 1: I try not to do that. But what you just said,

833
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 1: I have a few questions. I'll hear somebody say these

834
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: these referees are part time because of the truncated season,

835
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: but these referees have a good percentage on getting most

836
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: of the calls right. According to FI, Kathy England Bird

837
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 1: said the only people who complain about the refs are

838
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 1: the losers. That's just not true, right, That's not a

839
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: fair statement.

840
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 2: No, I think I'm not gonna speak for Kathy, but

841
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 2: I think her point could have been like, you don't

842
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:52,879
Speaker 2: want to point the finger. We don't want to point

843
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 2: the fingers, say it's the referee's fault because we know

844
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 2: they're doing their best. What's going on. I think the

845
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,399
Speaker 2: wording and the verbiage of that is crazy to say

846
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 2: anybody that has a thought or comment about are losers,

847
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 2: Like I don't understand that. So I'm understanding why Fee

848
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 2: was so frustrated with that comment. But I think it's

849
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 2: it's about it's about hearing the players. If this has

850
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 2: been a constant.

851
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 1: Or at least pretending because because at least like you care,

852
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: because I feel like I feel like the commissioner of

853
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 1: the w n b A. Her responses are so.

854
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 2: Tone deaf, they're very yeah, I could see that.

855
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,399
Speaker 1: Like she went on the CNBC and I and they're

856
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 1: asking her about racism and what's going on with Kaitlin

857
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 1: versus Angel and she's like, we have a good business.

858
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 2: We're like we saw that, we saw that.

859
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 1: And it just and I can say that because I'm like, wait,

860
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,359
Speaker 1: that's not you didn't answer the question. And the same

861
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:45,879
Speaker 1: thing with her response to what.

862
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 2: Feasts I said, is it?

863
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,439
Speaker 1: Is it? Is it that you all don't feel seen

864
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 1: and heard?

865
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 2: I mean, I could say that's probably a consistent comment

866
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 2: made towards her, and I hate that because we are

867
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 2: our league of women and women that actually uplift each

868
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 2: other and like really encourage each other. And she's the

869
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 2: head of the ship. And I know that Kathy has

870
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 2: came in probably into the w looking at it in

871
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 2: a business aspect, like how do I continue to build this?

872
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 2: And she's bringing in you know, X y Z. But

873
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,760
Speaker 2: you have star players, players in general, but star players

874
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 2: wanting that relationship from you and feeling like that's not

875
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 2: a priority for me, and I would hope that she

876
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 2: sees that and kind of reflects her own while also

877
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 2: I know there's a lot of jobs to have to

878
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 2: do this every day and to be the w commissioner.

879
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 2: So I'm not saying her job is easy either. I

880
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 2: just think if you hear your players kind of wanting

881
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 2: that relationship and wanting to hear and that care and concern,

882
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 2: like pour into them and do.

883
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 1: That, there is a there's a train of thought that,

884
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: because I have been there through the commissioners before, she's

885
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 1: to me has seemed the most impactful in terms of

886
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: the business aspect. She's very business savvy. Yes, right, she

887
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: is business savvy. I will say that about her. But

888
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: the is it? Is it the fact that she needs

889
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 1: to feel a little more relatable in a league that

890
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,280
Speaker 1: is very diverse and she doesn't feel relatable?

891
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 2: Is that? What is that?

892
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: Is that the issue? White woman feels like she's all

893
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 1: about business? I'm saying that. She's not saying that. I'm

894
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 1: saying that, and it doesn't in a league where seventy

895
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,760
Speaker 1: some percent of the women are black and or LGBTQI

896
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 1: A and yeah, you don't feel like you understand my

897
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,479
Speaker 1: real humanity. That's what I'm talking about.

898
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 2: I think I think she also. I think there's also

899
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 2: might be this separation from like the league to the

900
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 2: business side. I don't feel like I've ever felt like

901
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 2: super connected with her, and that's just not how I feel,

902
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 2: and that's not I'm not the only one that feels

903
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 2: that way, and I've never kind of felt that way

904
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 2: with our past commissioners. And I think that's what people

905
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,439
Speaker 2: just want out of her, that connection. I think that's

906
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 2: a huge part of being a leader. It's you know,

907
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 2: establishing those relationships and cultivating those and like I said,

908
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 2: if you hear Fee speaking about it, you just have

909
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 2: to know how the last person on the team might feel,

910
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,240
Speaker 2: right like, from top to bottom. This is a constant concern,

911
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 2: and I think that would be something that she should

912
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 2: look into because I think it would make a difference

913
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 2: into not only the CBA negotiations, but just her future

914
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:24,839
Speaker 2: in the w Yeah.

915
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: I think Fee was like no vasily hit them up

916
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 1: every song you can think of. She eat there literally

917
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 1: and it was like I got enough money to take

918
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: whatever fine this is, and in fact I've created something, Yeah,

919
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,839
Speaker 1: that the players seem to enjoy. Y'all can do it too,

920
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: if I've been me and my husband.

921
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 2: Listen to the players. It's a player led league, and

922
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 2: I think that's why I unrivaled in a you do

923
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:51,240
Speaker 2: so well. We hear we other players making these changes

924
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 2: in day to day decisions on what should be added,

925
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 2: what do we need, and it does well and the

926
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 2: fan scene to respond. So again, you just hope that

927
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 2: it doesn't come from like arrogance that they don't see

928
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 2: these things happening and like not act on that. And

929
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 2: I think she has one of the easiest jobs. Just

930
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 2: listen to the players, just listen to what we're saying,

931
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:13,240
Speaker 2: and then let's go from there. So from the referee standpoint,

932
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 2: I don't know what all can go into the Maybe

933
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 2: more training, maybe keeping the same refs in the league longer,

934
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 2: pulling different rests from I don't know what could go

935
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 2: with that. But I think with these new CBA negotiations,

936
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 2: I do believe that she just has to come to

937
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:32,919
Speaker 2: a real conversation with us and these owners about how

938
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 2: can we mutually go forward together And it's not them

939
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 2: versus day. It's a we thing.

940
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, And do you feel like it's a we thing?

941
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,720
Speaker 1: Or is it a me thing? Meaning I've heard players

942
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,479
Speaker 1: say it feels like it's about her. It doesn't feel

943
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:47,240
Speaker 1: like it's Yeah.

944
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 2: I don't think this is a collaboration at all. Like

945
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 2: even just knowing the first deal that was offered to us,

946
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 2: it was like, there's no way you think we're going

947
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 2: to agree to this, So why do you value us

948
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:58,959
Speaker 2: like that? Like why don't you think this is going

949
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 2: to grow? And it just seems like there's not going

950
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 2: to be understanding and a lockout is very a high

951
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 2: situation for a lockout to happen, And that's kind of

952
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 2: it's terrible because we're making so many, like good moves

953
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 2: in the w We're making so much progress and I

954
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:21,959
Speaker 2: would hate for that to be halted because we can't

955
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 2: come on the same page. So it definitely doesn't feel

956
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 2: like a team thing right now at all.

957
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 1: When if you submite those comments, I knew the CBA,

958
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: but you all were in negotiations, and in my mind,

959
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:34,399
Speaker 1: I was like, she's like now or never?

960
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 2: Now or never. I feel the exact same way because

961
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 2: there's so much change that we can have in the

962
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 2: CBA that we've never had before, and just the benefits

963
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 2: that we can have as players that we've seen other

964
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 2: leagues have for so long. And like you said, I

965
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 2: don't want to compare our league to other leagues. I

966
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 2: hate doing that as well. But you take notes. You

967
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 2: take notes, and we have advisors of other leagues helping

968
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 2: us with the CBA, and they're like, these are the

969
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 2: things you guys have to ask for. So we have

970
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 2: the knowledge now, and obviously we have the power as well,

971
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 2: because you can't. You can't get there without us. So like,

972
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 2: what are we going to do?

973
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 1: You know, leverage? What do you say to the folks

974
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 1: who say you guys just started getting popular, which isn't true,

975
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 1: So why walk away now? It's not smart? Why what

976
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 1: do you say to people who say that the people

977
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 1: who have just started to watch the WAKA, who didn't

978
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: know that as your person, we always been popping.

979
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, I think to say that those people it's like,

980
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 2: like you said, they're new fans. You don't know the

981
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 2: history of this league and how fruitful it's been. We

982
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 2: might have been able to be covered by TVs, and

983
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 2: that's because of their lack of seeing how we're valued

984
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 2: in our purpose. But this product and the talent and

985
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 2: these players have been along for a long time before me,

986
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 2: and they're going to be here after me. So you

987
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 2: have to pour into this now. And I get it

988
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 2: that we've had players pop off, like in the past

989
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 2: two or three years, like a lot of these rookies

990
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 2: coming in just kind of changing the game, and we

991
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 2: love it. But they also know that they wouldn't be

992
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,879
Speaker 2: here either with the players without the players that came

993
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 2: before them. So clearly they don't know their history. And

994
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 2: you guys think we're going to step away, but we

995
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 2: know our value. And if we have to step away

996
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 2: to show you guys that, then that's what's going to happen.

997
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:16,959
Speaker 1: All the things that I have been saying, I'm so glad. Yes,

998
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 1: I hope you know your value. I think it's really

999
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: interesting how women are socialized and how the world deals

1000
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 1: with women. I think that's the biggest problem with the

1001
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 1: w NBA. They don't value you as an athlete first,

1002
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: they value as a woman, and so you have to

1003
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 1: always battle that. I'm really curious today there were Kaitlyn

1004
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 1: Clark on her exit interview so that she stood with Fee.

1005
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 1: She understood with Fee was saying, she sides up the

1006
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 1: question about I believe in my opinion about Kathy Engelbert.

1007
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 1: But when you think about Kaitlyn Clark and people have

1008
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 1: this and I'm constantly defending the women of the league

1009
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 1: because I hate how they say they're jealous. I also

1010
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: feel like, so what if we don't like you? No

1011
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 1: one is questioning whether or not Michael Jordan likes Isaiah Thomas.

1012
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 1: Nobody questioning whether magic food with Isaiah anymore, Like if

1013
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 1: he didn't, he just didn't. Lebron maybe didn't like Steph

1014
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,800
Speaker 1: for hotman, and when Steph was the guy who cares.

1015
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 1: That's a part of the game. It's just a part

1016
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 1: of the game. And I and I respect you if

1017
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 1: you say you don't like somebody. I don't like everybody

1018
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 1: I work with quote unquote colleagues.

1019
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 2: It's hard.

1020
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 1: We just don't vibe. It's fine though, It's fine, and

1021
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:36,439
Speaker 1: I'm stay right here. And I think more and more,

1022
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: and the media is that followed at this too, the

1023
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 1: more and more that we tried to defend you all

1024
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:43,839
Speaker 1: and also defend Caitlyn. At the same time, I think

1025
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 1: we realize that maybe we don't like certain aspects of

1026
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 1: her game, and that too, is okay. Do you feel

1027
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 1: like there is Caitlin versus the w NBA or the

1028
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:59,240
Speaker 1: players of the w NBA. Do you feel like there

1029
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: is this commonation or is that starting to settle, especially

1030
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 1: since she missed most of the season.

1031
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 2: I mean, I could take it back even to my

1032
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 2: time in Chicago last year with Angel and Caitlin, and

1033
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 2: it just was like, are we even here to play

1034
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 2: basketball anymore? Because the narratives that I would see every

1035
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 2: single day about those two it was draining. You couldn't

1036
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 2: even focus on the game anymore. And again, I've never

1037
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 2: seen anything like that during my time in the w

1038
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 2: So I'm like, I get people do the drama and

1039
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 2: the click big thing, but it was turning into like

1040
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 2: having effects on like people in real time. So I

1041
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 2: don't know much about Kaitlin, We've never really been in

1042
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 2: the same room, but I just know Angel probably she

1043
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 2: that was probably frustrating for her, of course, and it started,

1044
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 2: you know, in college and I went to that national

1045
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 2: championship game, and for the two of them to handle

1046
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:55,320
Speaker 2: that much pressure and insults every single day, it's like draining.

1047
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 2: It's absolutely draining. But at the same time, there's going

1048
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 2: to be Caitlin defenders and Angel defenders and they're going

1049
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 2: at everybody when it's like it doesn't they're not even

1050
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 2: in the same position, Like what do I mean, what

1051
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 2: are we talking about? I think very great, just like

1052
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 2: Angel can be great, and like, I'm just kind of

1053
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 2: tired of the conversation. So unfortunately, like Caitlyn couldn't play

1054
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,359
Speaker 2: this year, and I don't know if it died down

1055
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 2: because of that, but I know that conversation isn't going

1056
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 2: anywhere at all. I just I kind of just let

1057
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 2: it be because it happens in sports. It happens in sports,

1058
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 2: and I think oftentimes and women's sports, we are usually

1059
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 2: closer to each other. So when it happens, it's like

1060
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 2: this isn't like our league. But we're also growing in viewership,

1061
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 2: so people are going to make little fan bases like that,

1062
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 2: and it is what it is now. I feel like

1063
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 2: a part of that came along with cyberbullying. Bullying, and

1064
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 2: you know, I know if it's affected me at a point,

1065
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 2: you know, teammates in general, and I think that is

1066
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 2: the conversation that should be had because it's it's like

1067
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 2: we have nothing to do with this. It's rivalry, Like

1068
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 2: that's not on us. I think there should be more

1069
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 2: of a protection to protect players in those situations, and

1070
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:09,399
Speaker 2: there wasn't necessarily anything like that available, So I think

1071
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 2: that's something that the league should continue to invest in.

1072
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 2: But yeah, I just wish they would just let us

1073
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 2: play and leave without the pettiness, because like, I'm over it.

1074
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 1: I think this year was interesting because she didn't play

1075
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: to your point, at least not most of the year,

1076
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Speaker 1: and I think that it showed a lot of different things.

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00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:31,280
Speaker 1: And the NBA is still very successful and still thriving.

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00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 1: Whether they needed her an angel and the perceived rivalry

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00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,399
Speaker 1: to bring the eyes, it's still as intense, it's still

1080
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 1: as amazing watching, you know, watching Game five with the AH.

1081
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 1: I can't go to bed now.

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00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 2: The game and then I see players like Obnestly Sims

1083
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 2: and like, oh my god, shape Petty and just you

1084
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 2: get to see the Gretes, you get to see the greats,

1085
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 2: and I think, oh, it's been struggling to get in

1086
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 2: and out the league for a while. But she definitely

1087
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 2: solidified herself. But I've seen this every single year, and

1088
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 2: athletes unlimited like oh comes to compete. She can score.

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00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 2: It's hard to stuff that stopped that left handed drive, Like,

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00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 2: the girl's talented and I'm just so happy that she

1091
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 2: had a huge platform like this to finally show it.

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00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 2: And just yeah, there's players out there that still know

1093
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 2: how to play. They might be ducked off and tucked

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00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 2: away in the roster, but they could still play given

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00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:24,839
Speaker 2: the opportunity.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was special, actually really good for you. Do

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Speaker 1: you believe that that rivalry, or or the perceived rivalry,

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00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 1: even though they didn't have the same position, helped the

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Speaker 1: league grow?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, Like even in Chicago we didn't have the best facilities,

1101
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:46,720
Speaker 2: like that was very known. I think just the attention

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00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:50,280
Speaker 2: in the eyes that Angel brought to Chicago was huge,

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00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,799
Speaker 2: Like there were so many fans, so many people just

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00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 2: supporting Chicago and obviously it was a successful organization when

1105
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 2: Cannis was there, she brought a championship. But just like

1106
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 2: the and like the constant love from the fans, I

1107
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 2: felt like I felt that a lot last year in

1108
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 2: Chicago playing there, and just the partnerships we were having,

1109
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 2: like deals thrown at the team left and right, because

1110
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 2: obviously she was a part of it. So it was

1111
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 2: pretty cool to see that investment into the team.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there's some benefit from from I have said this,

1113
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 1: and I don't know if players agree. Look I don't

1114
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 1: I have. I love a rivalry, a perceived rivalry, a

1115
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: made of rivalry. I'm media. I love it. I love

1116
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 1: the bat because it drives storylines and it brings in

1117
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 1: characters that we haven't paid attention to before. But you

1118
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 1: guys are one hundred percent humans. But to me, it

1119
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 1: was all good at the end of the day because

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00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 1: I was like, good people are paying attention. I remember

1121
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 1: interviewing Candice when I was on Sports Center and she

1122
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 1: was like, she didn't want to tell the stories because

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00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 1: she felt like she couldn't. And now here we fast

1124
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 1: forward to phoebing, like, so I have a prepared statement

1125
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 1: and I'm all like, we've arrived. We've arrived, And by

1126
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 1: that I mean I've been celebrating you all forever and

1127
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 1: we've arrived. With that being said, I think that the

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Speaker 1: way in which you have handled yourself, you are an

1129
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:18,240
Speaker 1: example of more people across the board in terms of athletes,

1130
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 1: like you have really handled yourself with so much grace

1131
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 1: and classes. And I'm sure they had something to do

1132
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:27,399
Speaker 1: with being raised with several other a small little army

1133
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 1: of brothers and sisters and a really good mom and

1134
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:33,760
Speaker 1: dad and who supported you. And you are the best

1135
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 1: of what people should be like in terms of humans,

1136
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 1: and I wish you nothing but the best. But I

1137
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 1: appreciate your voice and how candid you've been and the

1138
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 1: way in which you carry yourself isn't like I'm shitting

1139
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 1: on anybody, but it's like, here's the story, here's the story,

1140
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 1: and the fact oftentimes teams kind of silence your your

1141
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 1: voice because it's a protection of themselves. But it's also like,

1142
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 1: we don't need to let everybody know what's going on

1143
00:54:57,880 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 1: with us.

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00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's honestly the only time you can call

1145
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 2: for change. So I understand why Canis didn't want to

1146
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 2: speak about it. I get in why players in the

1147
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 2: past didn't, because it's like, you want to protect the

1148
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 2: people that you go to work with every day, but

1149
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 2: at a certain point, you have to advocate for yourself

1150
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:13,879
Speaker 2: and what you deserve. So that's what feedd.

1151
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 1: And it takes a certain personality. You got to be

1152
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 1: set up a certain way. All the things happen. It

1153
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 1: has to everything, just the stars need to align for

1154
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 1: it to happen. I understand that it's about it's been

1155
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 1: a pleasure. You have a lupus walking on October fourth,

1156
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: so by the time the stairs, which is on Monday,

1157
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 1: the walk has already happened. Tell me about your dedication

1158
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:34,840
Speaker 1: that lupas.

1159
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, my family has a long history with like autoimmune illnesses,

1160
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 2: and my sister she actually passed away from Lupa's complications

1161
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 2: excuse me in twenty seventeen, twenty seventeen, And you know,

1162
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:50,840
Speaker 2: I kind of wanted to partner with the organization that

1163
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 2: really just saw me and poured into me. And I

1164
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 2: also have two other siblings that deal with lupus, so

1165
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:01,319
Speaker 2: right now verset in the process of finding my brother

1166
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 2: Kenny Donor. My old sister kind of has like her

1167
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 2: ups and downs with it. So I just wanted to

1168
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:08,840
Speaker 2: like bring it to a platform that is like seen

1169
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 2: and understood. And I didn't know how how much it

1170
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 2: affected the African American community. I had no idea. I

1171
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 2: thought it was just my family. But I've gotten so

1172
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 2: many messages from just people from all over just giving

1173
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:22,799
Speaker 2: me their story and like what they've done to deal

1174
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 2: with it, and their doctors and rheumatologists like donor like

1175
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 2: donation sites that you know, I wasn't aware of, so

1176
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:32,319
Speaker 2: really giving Lupis this platform to kind of blossom into

1177
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 2: what it is, the Lupis Foundation. They've just supported me

1178
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 2: for like the past four years now. So we're gonna

1179
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 2: do a walk together in New York. It's gonna be

1180
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:43,399
Speaker 2: early brought in early what time we started at nine

1181
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 2: point thirty, okay, And we're gonna do the walk. We're

1182
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 2: gonna bring all the doggies, so dogs are welcome, and

1183
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:50,879
Speaker 2: me and Tasha going to be there and we're gonna

1184
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 2: have our shirts and kind of just to do something

1185
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:55,359
Speaker 2: for the city. And all the liberty fans know about it.

1186
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 2: They've been talking about it like crazy. So I'm excited

1187
00:56:57,960 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 2: for it.

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00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:00,319
Speaker 1: Good for you. So that's where you live, that's where

1189
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:02,799
Speaker 1: you're trying to just bring more attention and awareness. And

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00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,959
Speaker 1: is there or is that for more to raise money

1191
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,320
Speaker 1: for more awareness, to raise money for a cure.

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00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think awareness is big for me, and I

1193
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 2: think that's when it starts to drive into the dollars

1194
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 2: for cures and finding out how many people are affected

1195
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 2: by this. I think that drives the importance of finding

1196
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 2: something to help these people. And I mean we can

1197
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 2: go into the healthcare system I was in. I was

1198
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 2: with my brother in Indiana for WNBA All Star because

1199
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 2: it was there and I wanted to go and support

1200
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 2: Tosh with our All Star appearance. And I was in

1201
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 2: the hospital with him, and the amount of times that

1202
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 2: we had to be on the doctor's assets about just

1203
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 2: getting what he needed and like there was no answers

1204
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 2: as to what was happening with him, and with autoimmune

1205
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 2: it could be literally anything, so like sending him to

1206
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 2: a hospital that has specialists that's very important, listening to

1207
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 2: like his caregivers of what they can do, and like

1208
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 2: just to help him. Like there was just that relationship

1209
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 2: between doctor and patients very very limited, and it's only

1210
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 2: until you advocate for your family and you just really

1211
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 2: press hard on what you want in this healthcare system.

1212
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 2: That's the only way that you get help. And I

1213
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 2: just hate to see my brother's struggle like that. So yeah,

1214
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 2: he loves me for that, Thank you. He's still having

1215
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 2: like his complications, and I hate that for him because

1216
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 2: he just wants to live like his best life. One

1217
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 2: of the best athletes in the family because we're all athletes,

1218
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 2: all my siblings. So I just always wanted him to

1219
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 2: be able to live his hoop dreams. But I think

1220
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 2: he just supports me in the meantime and because of that,

1221
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:38,919
Speaker 2: and yeah, I just want him to have a healthy life.

1222
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 2: It's all I want.

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00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 1: Amen. Well, here's to the Lupus Walk. I hope you

1224
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 1: raise awareness. I hope you guys support even beyond the walk.

1225
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you for being here, thank you for

1226
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 1: having me, thank you for being so open and honest.

1227
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 1: I feel like this was superb. I was like, you

1228
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 1: came to play, this is great. I loved it.

1229
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 2: I love being here and I love seeing you on

1230
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 2: every platform. Then you come across my screen.

1231
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 1: I was like, she's such a bad I'm like, give

1232
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 1: me all the beauty secret We're gonna get a drink

1233
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 1: after this. I'm gonna get all the beauty secrets.

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00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 2: I got it.

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Speaker 1: Isabelle Harrison on Naked Sports. Thank you, Thank you. There

1236
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 1: has been so much news this past week with the

1237
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 1: w NBA, and I'm really excited about the idea that

1238
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 1: women are speaking up for what they want in a

1239
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 1: league that for so long, at least in my opinion,

1240
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 1: has not valued them. We are at a very pivotal

1241
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 1: point in women's sports, and what I mean by that is,

1242
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 1: if these women are finding their voices, understanding their value,

1243
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 1: things are bound to change. And it's not just for sports,

1244
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 1: it's for a community, it's for collective worldwide. I think

1245
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 1: that their shared experiences and frustrations can be talked about

1246
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 1: with any particular industry. I don't care if you are

1247
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 1: a hairstylist or a broadcast journalist or a dog walker.

1248
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 1: There are things in which only women can talk about

1249
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 1: it in a way that women can talk about it.

1250
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 1: There's just shared understanding of wanting to be seen and heard.

1251
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 1: And I'm so grateful that Isabelle Harrison y'all call her Izzy, y'all,

1252
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 1: came on the podcast today to talk about her experience

1253
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 1: in the W and life outside the W. I encourage

1254
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 1: you to support the WNBA, the New York Liberty if

1255
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:22,520
Speaker 1: that's your team. I just happened to be in New

1256
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 1: York or any team nearby. But pay attention to what's

1257
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 1: going on because it really is going to set the

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01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 1: foundation for generations to come again. We appreciate y'all, but

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Speaker 1: listening to Naked Sports. We'll be back next week. Naked

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Speaker 1: Sports written and executive produced by me Carrie Champion, produced

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Speaker 1: by Jacques Thomas, sound designed and mastered by Dwayne Crawford.

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Speaker 1: Naked Sports is a part of the Black Effect podcast

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