1 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: Good morning. 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 2: I'm Richard Salama. 3 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 3: And I'm Doug Krisner. Here are the stories we're following today. 4 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. 5 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 2: Absolutely, and we're looking at that cutting of US bank 6 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 2: ratings by S and P Global Ratings, blaming a tough 7 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:19,240 Speaker 2: operating climate for this downgrading five regional US banks, including 8 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:23,119 Speaker 2: Key Corp, Comerica, and Valley National Bank Corp. S and 9 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 2: P noting the impact of higher interest rates and deposit 10 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 2: moves across the industry as a cause. We heard from 11 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:31,479 Speaker 2: Kane Anderson, CEO of Albert Rabil, saying that we're in 12 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 2: the early stages of a banking sector recalibration. 13 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 4: We've seen the tip of the iceberg on banking consolidation, 14 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 4: but very much the tip of the iceberg. Hopefully we 15 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 4: don't have a catalyst that makes it, you know, that 16 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 4: turns this from a slow moving train wreck into a crisis. 17 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:51,520 Speaker 4: That was Kane Anderson, CEO Albert Rabil. 18 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 2: Now we've got Moodies, of course, lowering credit ratings for 19 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 2: ten US banks earlier this month and warning it may 20 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 2: downgrade others as precious amount on the industry. The kb 21 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 2: W bankingdex a major US banks has since slump to 22 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 2: almost seven percent of the situation may worsen for if 23 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,680 Speaker 2: the Federal Reserve holds it higher for longer, because that 24 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 2: would further it rode the value of loans to borrowers 25 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 2: who need to refinance. 26 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 3: Well, Microsoft's takeover of Activision Blizzard seems to be back 27 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 3: in play. The software maker has submitted a substantially different 28 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 3: proposal to the UK's antitrust watchdog. Sarah Cardell is the 29 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 3: chief executive of the UK's Competition and Market's Authority. 30 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 5: The key difference is that this time Microsoft will not 31 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 5: be acquiring any of the cloud streaming rights in relation 32 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 5: to app visions games for the next fifteen years. Now 33 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 5: you might remember, but the main reason why we've brought 34 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 5: the deal originally was because we were concerned about the 35 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 5: impact on competition in this important new market for cloud gaming. 36 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 3: That is Sarah Cardell. She is the chief executive of 37 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 3: the UK's Competition and Markets Authority. By the way, she 38 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 3: went on to say, the acquisition is being reconsidered and 39 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 3: this obviously has created a lot of renewed hope on 40 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 3: Microsoft completing the sixty nine billion dollar deal for Shot. 41 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 2: All right, Well, Sam Bakwin Freede, is that pleaded not 42 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 2: guilty again, this time to a narrow list of charges 43 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 2: related to the implosion of the cryptocurrency exchange FTX. Back 44 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 2: when Freeda was in a Manhattan federal court, his first 45 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 2: appearance since a judge revoked bail ten days ago, Bloomberg 46 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 2: News legal report Chris Dameltch was in that courtroom, saying 47 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 2: defense attorneys raised a concern about access to their client. 48 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 6: They say they've not been able to prepare their defense 49 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 6: with him since he's been in jail, and that was 50 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 6: one of the main complaints they had today that they 51 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 6: have he has no real access to the materials he 52 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 6: needs to prepare his defense for a trial at starting 53 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 6: in six weeks. 54 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 1: They're really trying to push the. 55 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 6: Judge to kind of force the Bureau of Pusons to 56 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,679 Speaker 6: kind of make accommodations for him so that he has 57 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 6: time to review this stuff, which they say is millions 58 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 6: of pages. 59 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,359 Speaker 2: Well, indeed, that was Bloomberg's at Chris Demelcha reporting Bakwen 60 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 2: Freeda's scheduled to go on trial in October. 61 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 3: Well, Chinese president Xi Jinping is looking to boost the 62 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:09,399 Speaker 3: global influence not only of China, but South Africa as well. 63 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 3: She was hosted by South African President Cyril rama Fosa 64 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,639 Speaker 3: in the run up to this week's Bricks Summit in Johannesburg. 65 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 3: Here is Bloomberg' Jennifer Sabasajia. 66 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 7: The fifteenth annual Brick Summit has officially kicked off in Johannesburg, 67 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 7: but ahead of the summit's major events, South African President 68 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 7: Cyril Ramaposa hosted the only state visit that we're going 69 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 7: to see this week with Chinese President Shi Jimping. And 70 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 7: this is an important meeting for these two leaders and 71 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 7: these two countries. It is the twenty fifth anniversary of 72 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 7: these countries celebrating their diplomatic relationship, and these two leaders 73 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 7: are talking about how to enhance their trade relationships and 74 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 7: expand collaboration and trade on a number of sectors from 75 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 7: mining to agriculture and textiles. Now, for the rest of 76 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 7: the week, these two leaders will be meeting on behalf 77 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 7: of their roles as leaders of two of the five 78 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 7: Bricks nations to talk about a number of agenda items, 79 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 7: including potentially expansion, deepening trade with their own local currencies, 80 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 7: and also enhancing their voice on multilateral stages and forums. 81 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 7: In Pretoria, I'm Jennifer's Abasaja Blimberg News. 82 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 3: We were talking a moment ago about this surge in 83 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 3: US treasury yields. I think that's been a primary reason 84 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 3: that the equity market has struggled over the past several weeks. 85 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 3: Tom Essay, he's the founder of the Sevens Report. He 86 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 3: was saying investors are pushing out the date of expected 87 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 3: rate cuts as they begin to accept this idea that 88 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 3: the Fed may hold rates higher for longer. And Essay 89 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 3: was saying, it's not the height of rates that really 90 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 3: matters as much as how long they stay high. And 91 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:45,840 Speaker 3: he went on to say that if FED share J. 92 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 3: Powell hints at higher for longer when he speaks on Friday, 93 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 3: the equity market will need to brace for a little 94 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 3: bit more volatility. Global News is next here on DBA. 95 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 3: The US has responded to North Korea's announcement of plans 96 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 3: to launch a satellite in the next few days at 97 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 3: Baxter with Global News from the Bloomberg Newserm in San Francisco. 98 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,720 Speaker 8: Eddie, Yeah, Doug. Of course, the concern is as a 99 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 8: spy satellite. This coming after the trilateral meeting between the US, 100 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 8: South Korea, and Japan. At the Pentagon, Brigadier General pat 101 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:18,679 Speaker 8: Ryder says, the three allies do now have an agenda. 102 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 9: We're going to take all necessary measures to ensure that 103 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 9: the security of our homeland and the defense of our 104 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 9: allies continues, and we will continue working closely with Japan 105 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 9: and RK to promote peace, security instability in the region. 106 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 8: And North Korea's warren Japan's coast guard. A potential of 107 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 8: falling debris after the launch. Surrender of Donald Trump's inner 108 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 8: circle continues today. Former Trump attorney John Eastman and Fulton 109 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 8: County jail grated by reporters as he left. 110 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 3: Do you still think the election was stolen? Absolutely? 111 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 2: Absolutely, still no question. 112 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 8: Yeah. So looks to be the theme of the defense. 113 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 8: They were trying to uncover what they still believed to 114 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 8: be was stolen vote. 115 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 3: My legal team and I will vigorously contest every count 116 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 3: of the indictment in which I have been named, and 117 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 3: also every count in which others are named. 118 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 8: Eastman also says he feels all his co defendants will 119 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 8: be cleared. Mark Meadows, donald Trump's former chief of staff, 120 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 8: as asked a federal judge in Georgia for an emergency 121 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:20,799 Speaker 8: order barring Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis from arresting him. 122 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:23,799 Speaker 8: More than half of the voters likely to attend Iowa's 123 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 8: Republican caucuses believe Donald Trump's false claims that he won 124 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 8: the twenty twenty election. This is an NBC des Moines register. 125 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 8: Fifty one percent believe Trump. Hong Kong will impose new 126 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 8: controls on food imports from Japan and response to the 127 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 8: release of treated wastewater from the Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant 128 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 8: Chief Executive John Lee. Hong Kong's measures, he says, need 129 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:50,599 Speaker 8: to protect food safety and public health. Officials on Maui 130 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 8: are now saying they're estimated eight hundred people still missing 131 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 8: in Lahina Town. Governor Josh Green. 132 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:59,479 Speaker 4: We do expect to see a lot more loss of life. 133 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: It's going to be tragic. I want to brace everyone 134 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: for that. 135 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 8: This is cruise now are going to have to switch 136 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 8: to very professional, high tech solutions to go through buildings. 137 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 8: He says. The President's visit was good because he granted 138 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 8: all of Green's monetary requests and well weight loss diet 139 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 8: fads come and go and go, and come and come 140 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 8: and go. The latest is salad and fries. 141 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 7: He mix those two things together and you're just kind 142 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 7: of you're in the middle, and that's the sweet spot. 143 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 8: Nutritionist Wendy Well says that's what she had for dinner 144 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 8: last night. Social media has blown up with picks of 145 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 8: it salad and fries. Very protein rich, but oh well. 146 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 8: Global news power by more than twenty seven hundred journalists 147 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 8: and analysts number one hundred and twenty countries. In San Francisco. 148 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 8: I'm Ed Baxter in this is Bloomberg. Let's get to 149 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 8: our guests. Jeff Klinop is with us. Jeff is the 150 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 8: chief global investment strategist at Schwab. He joins the from Celebration, Florida. 151 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 8: Thanks for being with us, Jeff. A lot of hope 152 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 8: that the numbers that we're going to get from in 153 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 8: video Wednesday after the bell are going to justify this 154 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 8: two hundred and thirteen percent rally that we have seen 155 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 8: in the stock so farthest here do you have a 156 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 8: view on in video right now? And the AI theme 157 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 8: more broadly, well, at. 158 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: Three percent of the S and P five hundred, it 159 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: carries a lot of weight, and not just because of 160 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:28,559 Speaker 1: the AI theme that it represents, but really this whole 161 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: shift in the market to really focusing on what I 162 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 1: like to call long duration stocks, those companies that are 163 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: a lot of potential growth in the future. And you know, 164 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: when interest rates are rising, they tend to be out 165 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 1: of favor. But this sort of bucked the trend. So 166 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 1: I think it's interesting today to see a little bit 167 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: of a slide in in video, just a reminder that 168 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 1: there's still some room for disappointment here, not just in 169 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 1: ability to deliver supply, but questions about is there some 170 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: double ordering inflating the books? You know, something we saw 171 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: during the post pandemic environment when supplies of many key 172 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 1: components were scarce. We know that we're a lot of 173 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: double and triple orders inflating the books, and then they 174 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 1: went away very quickly. So something to watch here if 175 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 1: they give us any color on that. And I think 176 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: the market's bracing for that. But overall, the AI theme 177 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: remains intact, and we know many businesses are still way 178 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:19,199 Speaker 1: behind where they'd like to be in adopting that into 179 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 1: their platforms. 180 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 2: Jeff, The thing is it's the you know, people who 181 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 2: rushed into it thinking that all this is going to 182 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 2: be arriving tomorrow as opposed to this is in the 183 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 2: years ahead, and perhaps too much optimism is being built up. 184 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 2: And perhaps you know, you can even see that with 185 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 2: the number of users that chat gbt's had actually falling 186 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 2: for the first time in seven months, which perhaps might 187 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 2: be just representing a gut check of polls, maybe pulls 188 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 2: for reflection. 189 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: Maybe I think it is interesting to note that so 190 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: much is expected here in the near term. Chat GPT 191 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: just count everyone's attention in November. It often takes longer 192 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 1: for businesses to plan how to use this technology, how 193 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: to incorporate it into their operations and really make it 194 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: part of what they do. And while there's a lot 195 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: more discussion about AI on earnings calls, I've been tracking 196 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:09,439 Speaker 1: the number of references to AI and related terms on 197 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 1: earnings calls the last few quarters. It's really spiked up. 198 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 1: At the same time, we are not yet seeing capital 199 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: investment in information processing and equipment. That's the category that 200 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 1: all of this will be included, and it's just not 201 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: really ticked up yet. There's a little bit of a 202 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: lag there, but we're not seeing a wave of investment 203 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 1: along the likes of what we saw say in the 204 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: Internet in like two thousand. I'm sorry. In nineteen ninety 205 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:33,679 Speaker 1: three through nineteen ninety six, it really led to big 206 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,679 Speaker 1: productivity gains. So it could still be very early in 207 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: that curve of ramping up, and that could lead to 208 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 1: some disappointment. I'm not an expert on Nvidia, but I 209 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 1: do know these things take a while for businesses to 210 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:46,439 Speaker 1: figure out how to adopt them and incorporate them into operation. 211 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 3: Let's pivot the conversation talk a little bit about consumer behavior, 212 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 3: whether it's in the US or China. Shares in Nike 213 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 3: today we're down about one and a half percent, and 214 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 3: this stock has been weak for nine straight sessions. In 215 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:02,079 Speaker 3: the course of that period, off about seven and a 216 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 3: half percent. In the US, there is some concern, as 217 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 3: we saw from the numbers coming out today by Dick's 218 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 3: Boarding Goods, that maybe there's a little bit of weakness 219 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 3: where consumers are concerned their budgets are becoming a little 220 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 3: bit more stressed. Before we go to the China story, 221 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 3: Jeff address how you view the American consumer right now. 222 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:26,079 Speaker 1: Well, the American consumer I think is still very convinced 223 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: that the labor market is going pretty well. I mean, 224 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: I think that while we've seen spending pullback in some categories. 225 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: We're still getting a lot of spending on experiences over goods, 226 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: and these are big ticket experiences trips to Disney World, 227 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:43,079 Speaker 1: you know, airline travel to Hawaii. So we're still in 228 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 1: that kind of post pandemic opening. Maybe we're getting towards 229 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: the end of it, but a lot of that high 230 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 1: end spending still taking place, maybe at the expense of 231 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: some goods purchases. That, however, could start to fade if 232 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:56,959 Speaker 1: we start to see some of the layoff announcements I'm 233 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: hearing outside of the tech sector, businesses like CVS or 234 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: you know, a number of gosh, I mean, in the 235 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: tech space, we've heard many of them, but increasingly across 236 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:11,839 Speaker 1: many other types of businesses they're talking about layoffs, and 237 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 1: you know, certainly financial services, even in healthcare, I've heard 238 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: some of this. If that starts to show up in 239 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: a more material way or get more attention, that could 240 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: begin to erode the confidence and maybe erode some of 241 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 1: that spending on some of those services categories that have 242 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 1: really seen the bulk of the enthusiasm by consumers. 243 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 2: It's interesting to note, you know, Doug was talking about 244 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 2: also the Chinese consumer the Chinese consumer's actually seen the 245 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 2: household balance sheets have improved significantly since the end of 246 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, but they're just not spending. And also 247 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 2: perhaps some of this has not been captured in the data, 248 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 2: but it is a problem of confidence emanating from perhaps 249 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:51,559 Speaker 2: a wealth effect, and they're not feeling as flush as 250 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 2: they were when their properties were worth something more. Now, 251 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:57,199 Speaker 2: it's interesting to know that we've got China making this 252 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 2: move to start to release service retail data separately from 253 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 2: just the whole thing is retail sales in one goes, 254 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 2: so you know that perhaps tells to something it does. 255 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: They've shifted a number of indicators right there. They're now 256 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 1: not sharing that youth unemployment data in the way that 257 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,839 Speaker 1: they did before as well. So I think there's a 258 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: variety of maybe motivations behind all of that. I use 259 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 1: a lot of maybe non traditional measures to track what 260 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:25,679 Speaker 1: I see going on in China. One of my favorite, 261 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:28,319 Speaker 1: as it relates to the consumer is box office results. 262 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:31,679 Speaker 1: You know, Disney many others report their results each weekend 263 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 1: in China, and they've actually been really strong. I don't 264 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:37,559 Speaker 1: think it's just a Barbie effect. We've seen this for 265 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 1: many weeks now, I guess i'd say through July into August, 266 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 1: maybe suggesting a little bit of a revival in some 267 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 1: consumer behavior. I'm also noting that there's an uptick in 268 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: air pollution. This is a very unseasonable thing to be 269 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: happening right now within China. Two emissions and particulate emissions 270 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 1: are picking up based on EPA tests from US consulates 271 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: and cities across China, and that tells me there's more 272 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: maybe travel, more manufacturing activity taking place, maybe a little 273 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 1: bit of an early response to some of the stimulus 274 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: measures that were unveiled at the Polybro meeting in July. 275 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: So it's very early and things are still very soft, 276 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:15,359 Speaker 1: but perhaps there's an improving trajectory. 277 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 3: Jeff, Before we let you go, Fed Shair J. Powell 278 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 3: will be speaking on Friday at thirty seconds or so. 279 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 3: What do you think we're going to hear from the 280 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 3: FED chairman? 281 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: I'm going to be listening very closely for two things. 282 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: Does he mention the slowdown in China that's a real 283 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 1: Dovish tilt in his hand towards when rate cuts may come, 284 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: Or if he continues to harp on a very tight 285 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: labor market, that's maybe a hawkish indication that the Fed's 286 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: got more work to do. 287 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 3: Jeff, It's always a pleasure. Thanks for making time to 288 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 3: chat with us. Jeff Klinop there. 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