1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: Up next, The Truth with Lisa Welcome back to the 2 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: Truth with Lisa Booth. This week, we're digging into the 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: truth about critical race theory and what we're seeing in 4 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 1: public schools across America. As many of you know, critical 5 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 1: race theory has really taken center stage throughout COVID as 6 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:24,080 Speaker 1: a lot of kids were forced to stay home due 7 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: to government mandates. What did parents saw behind the curtain? 8 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: They saw the kind of things that public schools were 9 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 1: teaching their children, trying to indoctrinate their children with this 10 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 1: racial division, with this Marxist garbage, And what just happened. 11 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: You had Biden's d o J wage war against parents 12 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: who have been going to school board meetings across the 13 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: country to stand up for their children, to have the 14 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: right to know what their children are being taught in 15 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: schools and with teachers whose salaries they pay. So to 16 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: get the bottom of all this, to get to the 17 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: bottom of what the FBI is doing, to get to 18 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 1: the bottom of this indoctrination, to get to the bottom 19 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 1: of this critical race theory garbage, We're gonna have Christopher 20 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 1: Rufo on the show. He's a Senior Fellow and the 21 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 1: director of the Initiative on critical race Theory at the 22 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 1: Manhattan Institute. He's also a contributing editor at City Journal, 23 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 1: and he previously served as executive director at the Documentary Foundation, 24 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 1: and in that role he directed four films for PBS. 25 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: So this guy's wore a lot of hats. But more recently, 26 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 1: Chris has become one of the voices, if not the 27 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 1: voice of authority on critical race theory in the country. 28 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: He's advised leaders across the country on the issue, including 29 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 1: school board candidate, state legislators, and members of Congress. He 30 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: has been leading the charge on this national movement against 31 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 1: critical race theory. It's made him a target of the left. 32 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: But at this time where it feels hopeless, at this 33 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: time where it feels like the fight is just too big, 34 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: the hill is too big to line with what we're 35 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: facing and what we're what we're up against with the 36 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: left in the country, he has put points on the board. 37 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: So we're gonna talk to Chris Rufo about critical race 38 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: theory and everything that is going on in the country 39 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: in this very very important episode of The Truth with 40 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:26,799 Speaker 1: Lisa booth Yea. So the FBI is now gearing up 41 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: to go after parents You've got that right parents in America. 42 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 1: So we're going to get into all of this with 43 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: Christopher Ruffo, who has been hitting critical race theory head 44 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 1: on and just investigating and uncovering, uh, the underbelly of 45 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: all this that's happening in the country. So, Chris, I 46 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,079 Speaker 1: am really excited for this interview, and I really appreciate 47 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 1: your time today. You know. So, Chris, you were a 48 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: ton of hats, right, So you were a filmmaker or writer, 49 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: you're an investigative journalist, you're a founder and director at 50 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 1: Battlefront at Public Policy Research Center. How did you get in? 51 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 1: I mean, you're probably you know, the face in this 52 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:05,799 Speaker 1: fight against critical race theory in the country. How did 53 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: that happen? How did you assume this role? You know? 54 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 1: Kind of I think, like any great calling, it's something 55 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:14,839 Speaker 1: that almost happens to you. And I had been doing 56 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: a series of reports on really left wing ideologies and 57 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: West Coast government. So I've been thinking seeing a critical 58 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: race there here and there, and some of my reporting 59 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: and then I had a series of leaks that really 60 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 1: got sent to me, uh at random, almost by chance. 61 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: And then I broke a series of stories starting with 62 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: the City of Seattle, which was holding a training, a 63 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: seg racially segregated training for white employees, teaching them how 64 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: to interrupt their whiteness and internalized white superiority. And that 65 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: one story set off a firestorm in the media, but 66 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: also more importantly led to the hundreds and now thousands 67 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 1: of people all over this country in schools, corporations, universities, etcetera, 68 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 1: sending me these documents to say, Hey, critical race theory 69 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: training programs and ideologies are devouring our institutions. Can you 70 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: shine a light on it? And so I've been really 71 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 1: chasing this over the past year, breaking dozens of stories 72 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 1: and and I think having a huge impact across the board. Well, 73 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 1: and what's crazy is I think this has really come 74 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: to the forefront largely because of your reporting and and 75 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: you know, uncovering a lot of this stuff. And then 76 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 1: also you know, with parents seeing what their children are 77 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 1: being taught in schools, with the school you know, with 78 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 1: schools across the country being closed and having to go 79 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: to zoom classes and parents just being more involved. But 80 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: how long has this been going on. I mean we've 81 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:40,160 Speaker 1: seen it impacting military corporations, you know, schools across the country, 82 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: but how long do you think, you know, how long 83 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: has this been going on? It started in the university 84 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 1: now more than thirty years ago, and I think that 85 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 1: was really an old story. Conservatives who pay attention to 86 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:52,280 Speaker 1: the news, they know that universities have been really corrupted 87 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 1: by these critical ideologies. And then the next institution to 88 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 1: fall is really the public school system. And from my reporting, 89 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 1: the earliest I can date this back to is about 90 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 1: so in some of the most left leaning school districts 91 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 1: like Portland, Oregon, Seattle, Washington start to import critical race 92 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: theory from the universities into the cave through twelve setting 93 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: and then slowly building, slowly building, and finally boom. It's 94 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 1: almost like a bomb went off last year with the 95 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: death of George Floyd. All of a sudden, it's not 96 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 1: just Portland and Berkeley, and and and and Brooklyn, UH 97 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: schools that are teaching this stuff. It's really everywhere in 98 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 1: blue states, red states. It's something that just was was 99 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: really building slowly for about a decade and then just exploded. 100 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 1: And that's what parents were able to see when they 101 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 1: watched their kids lessons and say, hey, wait a minute, 102 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 1: we're not teaching just the facts and on its history. 103 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: We're actually, in some cases seeing kids being indoctrinated, forced 104 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 1: to denounce their own racial and sexual identities, and then 105 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: being encouraged, for example, in the Portland public school system, 106 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: to become revolutionaries. Uh. This is something that was deeply 107 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: shocking the parents, and I think the ferocious backlash and 108 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 1: protests that we've seen at school board meetings reflects a 109 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: real and serious problem. And I'm so glad that parents 110 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: are are are stepping up. And we're talking about babies here, right, So, 111 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:24,119 Speaker 1: like you've exposed in one elementary school in California, force 112 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:27,479 Speaker 1: third graders to deconstruct their racial and sexual identities and 113 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: rank themselves according to their power and privileged third graders. So, 114 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 1: I mean we're talking about babies being taught this garbage, 115 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 1: that's right. I Mean one of the key tenets of 116 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: the critical race ideology is that children start to become 117 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: racist by three to six months old. Um, this is 118 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 1: a really widely held belief. You know, the critical race 119 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: guru Ibram Candy, who's probably the most famous person right 120 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 1: now to popularize this ideology, says over and over, Uh, 121 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: you know, babies become racist by six months and really 122 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: become white supremacists by the age of three or four, 123 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 1: and so what they are using that ass as a 124 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: justification for really beginning this process of brainwashing very early 125 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: in education. So you see pre kindergarten kindergarten UM documents 126 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: that are revealing that they're really trying to stoke a 127 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 1: sense of hyper racial consciousness. They're trying to shame certain 128 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: racial groups and then trying to persuade other racial groups 129 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: that they're perpetual victims. UM. And you see the really 130 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: it's almost like a psychodrama that plays out among adults 131 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: now being forced upon kids as young as three and 132 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 1: four years old. UM. I think it's disgraceful. I think 133 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 1: it's abusive, and even more outrageously, a lot of these 134 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: kids have no other option but to attend these public schools. 135 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: They're forced by the government to attend these schools, and then, 136 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,679 Speaker 1: without the consent of parents, are being forced to undergo 137 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: a deep ideological indoctrination UH that in many cases violates 138 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: the conscience not only of the parents, but violates the 139 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 1: basic rights of the children themselves. And you mentioned TNDY. 140 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: You know, these individuals who are sort of spearheading this 141 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: in America have they profited from all this, of course, 142 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: I mean, like any good Marxists throughout history, that the 143 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: people in charge of the regime or the ideology always 144 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: managed to get rich. You see Abram Candy striking multimi 145 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: million dollar deals left and right, and it really is 146 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: a deep irony. That's someone who has said explicitly in 147 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 1: order to be anti racist, you also have to be 148 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 1: anti capitalist. Is one of the most prolific accumulators of 149 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 1: capital in our society. And I think the the obvious 150 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: case to make is, well, this is hypocrisy. He doesn't 151 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 1: really believe in an anti capitalism or or communism. But 152 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: there's actually a deeper truth that I think this reveals 153 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:55,839 Speaker 1: that's more important. It's that, uh, this ideology is self 154 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: serving for elites. So people like Abram Candy, people like 155 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: Nicole Hannah Joe Owns, people like uh, you know, the 156 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: Secretary of Education. They can use this ideology to secure 157 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 1: their own status and power as as left wing elite. Well, 158 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: really offering nothing to the tens of millions of poor 159 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 1: kids of any racial background in our country, critical race 160 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: theory is offers them nothing, offers them, no means of 161 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: improving their life, no means of making their way up 162 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: the ladder. Uh, they actually uh secure their own power 163 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: and then kick the ladder away, uh and then use 164 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: the poor. They use these kids as justification for their 165 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 1: own policies. It's really, I think a moral crime, uh 166 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 1: that we need to to uncover in order for people 167 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 1: to truly see it. What's the worst example you have 168 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 1: seen so far? No, Well, I've done now dozens of 169 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:53,959 Speaker 1: these stories, and uh they all kind of blurred together 170 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 1: at a certain point because they're also atrocious. And every 171 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: time I think I've seen the worst of it, U, 172 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 1: you know, you see something even worse. But a recent 173 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: example was from Google, which had been there one of 174 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: their diversity, equity and inclusion leads had been had created 175 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: an internal document uh that that that showed a graphic 176 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: of a pyramid with Ben Shapiro on it, and Ben 177 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: Shapiro was supposedly the foundation of the pyramid of white supremacy, 178 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 1: ultimately leading towards genocide. I mean, the level of derangement 179 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: and delusion for someone who's really a kind of kind 180 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: of establishment I'd say, almost a moderate conservative, uh, you know, 181 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 1: very reasonable person that anything left of you know, or 182 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 1: anything right of Kamala Harris. Uh, it turns you into 183 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 1: a white supremacist. I think it's indicative of the politics 184 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: that we see driving this. Obviously, anything to the right 185 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 1: of Kamala Harris leaves a substantial amount of realme because 186 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: she is very progressive here. You know, how how how 187 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: deep and long are the tentacle of critical race theory 188 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 1: and our society? And we're talking about schools. We've seen 189 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:08,079 Speaker 1: it being taught in the military corporations, Like, just just 190 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: how deep and long are these tentacles? You know? I 191 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 1: think that the ideology is certainly dominant and well established 192 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: in the universities. That's old news. But what I think 193 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: is the really I'll give them credit their their stroke 194 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: of genius the critical race theory supporters is that they've 195 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: turned their ideology into a bureaucracy. So you see departments 196 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 1: of diversity and inclusion, or departments of equity, or all 197 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 1: of them together, departments of diversity, equity, and inclusion. Uh. 198 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: These are nice soft sounding words, but oftentimes I'd say, uh, 199 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: more often than not, Uh, this is really a kind 200 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: of mechanism and the bureaucracy to launder in critical race 201 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: theory into the workplace, into the military into the school system, 202 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: into the corporation. And so what they've done is that 203 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: they've changed, They've changed from just pure theory to actual 204 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: political power by cementing themselves in the bureaucracy as diversity, equity, 205 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: and inclusion. And so anywhere you see that, you're likely 206 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 1: to see critical race theory. And then you're likely to 207 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:18,079 Speaker 1: be very challenged to get rid of it. Because it's 208 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:20,719 Speaker 1: one thing to say, hey, we're not gonna promote these 209 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 1: ideas in the workplace. This isn't this doesn't reflect our values. 210 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: It's another thing to then abolish a department of equity. Um, 211 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 1: that is going to be a much taller task. But 212 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: ultimately that's where I think the challenge lies, is to 213 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 1: not let this spread bureaucratically into reverse the games that 214 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: they've made in the last decade. How much about the 215 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 1: legal system do you think this has impacted? Because I 216 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 1: was reading recently, you know, we know that George Soros 217 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: has bankrolled liberal district attorneys and prosecutors across the country. 218 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 1: These prosecutors have been dropping charges and releasing violent career 219 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: criminals into cities like Chicago, San Francisco. The list goes on, 220 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 1: is this soft on crime approach from these individuals rooted 221 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: in critical race theory. Yeah. Absolutely, And the justification or 222 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 1: the pretext for a lot of this is that this 223 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 1: core idea and critical race theory that any disparity of 224 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 1: outcome is by definition UH and an expression or extension 225 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 1: of racism and white supremacy. So if African Americans have 226 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 1: higher rates of incarceration, the answer is not perhaps because uh, 227 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: statistically they have higher rates of crime, especially violent crime, 228 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: But the answer is just because the system is UH 229 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 1: is institutionally racist and therefore justifies any intervention to reduce 230 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 1: those numbers. So you see in California, for example, you 231 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: know where I am, and in Seattle, Washington area, just 232 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: trying to actually shut down prisons, release people, UH, stopping 233 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:51,319 Speaker 1: to do prosecutions for anything that has UH what's called 234 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: a disparate impact, so that impacts one group more than another. UH. 235 00:13:55,840 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 1: The problem, however, is that these issues are complex. Mean, certainly, 236 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: in the past there has been institutional racism. I think 237 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: everyone would agree with that, but I don't think today 238 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: that's really what's driving disparities. There's a whole range of 239 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 1: social and economic factors that play a much more important role. 240 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 1: But what critical race theory does is it flattens every variable, 241 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: It flattens every explanation to a single explanation, which is 242 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: always been forever racism. And so they use that as 243 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: justification for these policies where they're stopping to prosecute emptying prisons. Uh. 244 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: And then I think what we've seen really in the 245 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: last year causing tremendous chaos in America's largest cities. Well, 246 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: and what's interesting and when we saw this play out 247 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 1: in Chicago recently where the Cook County State Attorney Kim 248 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: Fox at Odds actually with liberal Chicago Mayor Lourie Lightfoot 249 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: because there was this shootout between rival gangs and Kim 250 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 1: Fox decided not to press charges because she cited multiple 251 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: combatants the shoe don't have left one person dead and 252 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: five others were taken into custody. So it's interesting to 253 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 1: even see it all Lory Lightfoot and can Fox at 254 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: Odds with each other. But I mean so quite literally, 255 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: this is getting people killed at least when we look 256 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: at it applied to the law. Yeah, that's right. And 257 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: I think if I if we're talking about the same 258 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: story that I saw, Yeah, they're they're invoking this old 259 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: legal statute of mutual combat, uh, the idea that if 260 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: two sides agree to a duel or a fist fight, UM, 261 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: they can actually do so legally. And so what you 262 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: see is you have a huge modern urban center like Chicago, 263 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: UM devolving into into a kind of Wild West style 264 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: justice where is rival gangs, you know, agree to a shootout, 265 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: they can do so without without suffering the consequences by 266 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: the law. I mean, this is really a kind of 267 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: culmination into an absurd conclusion of these policies that uh, 268 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: in fact, they don't actually keep people safe, especially uh 269 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 1: low income neighborhoods, minority neighborhoods, but they're actually unleashing and 270 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: legitimizing a new wave of violence that kills predominantly black 271 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 1: men between the ages of sixteen and twenty nine. And 272 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: so if you care about these people and you want 273 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 1: to see them literally survive, I think we're gonna need 274 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 1: to really rethink a lot of these policies that have 275 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 1: so far failed to deliberating results. Let's take a quick 276 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: commercial break and then back with Chris Rufo on critical 277 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: race theory. On the other side, what's the linkage between 278 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 1: the six nineteen project and critical race theory. It shares 279 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 1: certain of the same key assumptions. The assumption is that 280 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: the United States was not sounded on the Declaration and 281 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: the Constitution, which promised liberty and equality, but in fact 282 00:16:56,640 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: that is really a smoke screen, an illusion, a camouflag USh, 283 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 1: and in reality, the country was founded on racism and 284 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: slavery that still exists today. The idea is not just 285 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:13,400 Speaker 1: to say we had a historical period where slavery was 286 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 1: was legal and widely practiced. That's a basic fact we 287 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:19,640 Speaker 1: can all agree on. But they make it an almost 288 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 1: metaphor or an analogy where they say slavery is the 289 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 1: permanent condition and permanent essence of the United States. And 290 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: so critical race theories such as Derek Bell argue that, uh, 291 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: in fact, some African Americans today in modern society are 292 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:39,160 Speaker 1: the functional equivalent of slaves, and that life hasn't improved 293 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:43,360 Speaker 1: for them in hundreds of years. And so this idea 294 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 1: is to go back in history de legitimize the founding 295 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: of the country, because once you de legitimize the history, 296 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: the origin, the purpose of a country, then you can 297 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 1: manipulate it according to your ideology. And so that is 298 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: really the program it's to go back in the history 299 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:03,400 Speaker 1: to cut off uh, that foundation, to cut off those 300 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:07,679 Speaker 1: historical roots in order to justify a political program that 301 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 1: explicitly wants to seize private property, UH, suppress freedom of speech, 302 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 1: end the system of individual rights and equality under the law, 303 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 1: and replace it with what some people I think are 304 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 1: accurately calling a system of ethno communism, a system of 305 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:28,719 Speaker 1: race based Marxism that they've outlined in their theoretical papers. Well, 306 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:31,120 Speaker 1: of course, you know, if if a country is rooted 307 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:34,159 Speaker 1: in racism and it's inherently evil, it makes it easier 308 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: to burn it to the ground. Yeah, that's right. You 309 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: you express that much more succinctly than I did, But 310 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: that's exactly right. I mean, you know, and and and 311 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:45,880 Speaker 1: I think in very simple terms, they're they're convincing people 312 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: and then especially children, uh, to hate this country, to 313 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: see it as an oppressor, to see it as racist, 314 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 1: to see it as exploitative. And then when you create 315 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:01,919 Speaker 1: that feeling in people, uh, then it's very easy to 316 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: unleash them in the streets, uh, to loot, to burn, 317 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 1: to kill. And that's I think what we saw last 318 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 1: year so dramatically, UH is a direct result of these 319 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:16,439 Speaker 1: theories becoming mainstream. Well, and what's interesting is, you know, 320 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 1: there is an article recently in Fox News about how 321 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 1: one of France's leading magazines recently ran a piece titled 322 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 1: the Suicide of America and questioning if the American Empire 323 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 1: was collapsing because all these woke ideologies that we are 324 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: taking on and that are essentially consuming America. And then 325 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: even Emmanuel McCrone has recently said that what culture was 326 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: racializing their society? You know, is this just a problem 327 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:44,400 Speaker 1: in the United States or what's the reach globally that's 328 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 1: going on right now with you know, some of these 329 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 1: woke ideology is a critical race theory. Yeah, I mean, 330 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 1: you know, I think what we've seen in France has 331 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 1: been quite fun to watch. Actually, they have been suffering 332 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:58,400 Speaker 1: from some of these same problems. And uh and even 333 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,360 Speaker 1: McCrone came out I think over the summer or maybe 334 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,159 Speaker 1: last year, uh and he said, hey, we need to 335 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 1: stop importing these destructive identity based ideologies from the United States. Uh. So, 336 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,879 Speaker 1: so it's kind of a battle between US and Europe. 337 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:16,680 Speaker 1: But what I would say is that, uh, to my mind, 338 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:20,640 Speaker 1: Europe has a different set of problems Europe has UH 339 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 1: problems that are unique to the continent, while our problems, 340 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 1: in many ways are self inflicted. You've seen plummeting rates 341 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: of among the public who has been surveyed over the 342 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: last twenty years of race relations. You had roughly seventy 343 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: three percent of the public ten years ago say that 344 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 1: relations race relations were generally positive. That's that's gone down 345 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 1: by forty points among liberals. And so the question is 346 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: there's our society objectively more racist, uh than it was 347 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 1: ten years ago. I don't think there's evidence uh to 348 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:59,679 Speaker 1: support that. And yet people's psychological and subjective feelings are that, uh, 349 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: seeing are terrible, things are degenerating, things are going back 350 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,879 Speaker 1: in time. Um, we're really in free fall, and I 351 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 1: don't know what it's gonna take. Conservatives can try to 352 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 1: make the case, but ultimately the the the left is 353 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 1: in charge of this narrative. They've pushed it successfully, um, 354 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: and now we're reaping the consequences, which I think are 355 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 1: negative for everyone. So we're gonna have to figure out 356 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: a new strategy to either combat this narrative or or 357 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 1: deprived the last of enough political power that they stopped 358 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,880 Speaker 1: pushing this As one of their key UH pieces going forward. 359 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 1: Is it a suicide, you know, I don't think so. 360 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 1: I think it's it calls for a suicide or premature right, 361 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: and and and I try to take the long view 362 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 1: as much as possible. Obviously, I'm in this stuff twenty 363 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,879 Speaker 1: four hours a day, so it'd be very easy for 364 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 1: me to feel pessimistic about it and about the future 365 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 1: of the country. But I'm optimistic because even if you 366 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: look back at the nineteen sixties, where I'm doing a 367 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: lot of research, now, um, you had UH a ongoing war, 368 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 1: and yet um you had then kind of economic crisis, 369 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 1: you had assassinations, you had riots, and more than a 370 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 1: hundred cities across the country. I mean, you had this 371 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: real extreme level of social unrest that I think we're 372 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,679 Speaker 1: seeing an echo of today. But just as we were 373 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: able to get through it in the nineteen sixties and 374 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: nineteen seventies, I think we're able to get through it today. 375 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,159 Speaker 1: It's not going to come without a cost. But I 376 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 1: think it's important for conservatives to to realize that we 377 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 1: still have UH control over many institutions. And that's why 378 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: I'm so glad to see parents going to school boards, 379 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:42,160 Speaker 1: going to their local municipalities and trying to reassert public 380 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: control over these institutions in wherever way they can and 381 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 1: wherever way that it's most practical and have the best 382 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 1: effect for their lives. Yeah, that's good context to provide 383 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 1: intern you know, in putting this in in terms of 384 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,639 Speaker 1: you know, what we have seen throughout history. You know 385 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: what's interesting too, is the irony of all this is 386 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:02,879 Speaker 1: critical race theory is actually inherently racist in and of itself, 387 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 1: because it's one this idea that somehow white people are 388 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 1: inherently racist, and then it's also I mean you look 389 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 1: at things like what Bill Gates and the Gates Foundation 390 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:13,919 Speaker 1: have been pushing behind this anti racist math push. We're inherently, 391 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: you know, somehow it's racist to teach uh, you know, 392 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 1: minority kids math or somehow that they are not capable 393 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 1: of coming to these conclusions of the answers on their 394 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 1: other own, so therefore you have to dumb down, you know, 395 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 1: math equations and dumbed down the system for them. Like 396 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: how how is that not racist and not just racist 397 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: but incredibly belittling. Yeah, it is. And I think there's 398 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 1: this debate that I'm seeing on the right, there's a 399 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 1: certain faction of the right that wants to answer critical 400 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 1: race theory with a white identity politics to say, well, 401 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: because uh, they're having a kind of uh kind of 402 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,879 Speaker 1: bipoc identity politics, the answer is a white dentity politics. 403 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 1: And I think that's a huge mistake, not only intellectually 404 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: and morally, but also it really concedes too much territory 405 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 1: to the race theorists. And I always tell people that 406 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:07,439 Speaker 1: critical race theory is explicitly seeks to shame and humiliate 407 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: uh white students, for example, to hold them responsible for 408 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: historical crimes that they didn't commit that happened before they 409 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: were born. But it also is uh in my reporting, UH, 410 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 1: deeply destructive to minority families for sure, till the black 411 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 1: families who have told me that it is killing their 412 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 1: kids with despair, pessimism, a sense that they've lost their 413 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 1: own agency, uh and and a kind of fatalistic view. 414 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 1: So I think it's negative for people across the board, 415 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,880 Speaker 1: but also the positive thing. The reason why kind of 416 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: retreating into the identity politics corner is not the answer 417 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: is that actually, according to the latest polling data, critical 418 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 1: race theory is unpopular among people of all racial groups. 419 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 1: So uh, For example, in a survey of the twenty 420 00:24:56,040 --> 00:25:00,400 Speaker 1: fastest growing cities by Manhattan Institute, the number or show 421 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:04,399 Speaker 1: that white parents, Asian parents, Latino parents, and black parents 422 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,879 Speaker 1: all support getting rid of critical race theory from the curriculum, 423 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,880 Speaker 1: getting rid of systemic racism and white privilege lessons. They 424 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:17,239 Speaker 1: think it's counterproductive. So well, we have activists, left wing 425 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: activists and physicians of power that feel like they're speaking 426 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: for the majority. Sometimes the reality is that everyone in 427 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 1: this country, of all racial groups and increasingly of all 428 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: political orientations, opposes this ideology. They know that it's toxic, 429 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 1: they know that it's racist, they know that it's destructive. 430 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 1: And I think that's really where we start. We start 431 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 1: with this broad coalition and trying to wipe this, uh, 432 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 1: this ideology out of our institutions. From there well, and 433 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 1: I think it's particularly alarming is we've seen a lot 434 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 1: of parents, you know, who have fled communist countries who 435 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:55,120 Speaker 1: are really sounding the alarm about this happening in schools 436 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 1: and drawing parallels to things that they saw in the 437 00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,640 Speaker 1: countries that they fled and what's going on in America's 438 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,119 Speaker 1: schools systems. Of me. I know, I had Maximo of 439 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,920 Speaker 1: Verres on my podcast a long time ago, and he 440 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 1: escaped Cuba as a teenager, and he spoke at the 441 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 1: RNC convention as well, and was just talking about the 442 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 1: parallels he saw with this, you know, Marxist ideology, this 443 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 1: communism that is being taught in schools and pitting people 444 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,639 Speaker 1: against each other based off of race. So I, you know, 445 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 1: I feel like if we have all these people who 446 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 1: have seen this firsthand and seeing it happened in America, 447 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 1: we should probably take notice and listen to them. Yeah, 448 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 1: I know, that's that's exactly right. And I think you know, 449 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 1: in Florida you have about the Cubans, and then you 450 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 1: know where I'm from. I there's you know, some Russian populations, 451 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: people that have immigrated from the former USSR and and 452 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 1: a lot of these folks are telling me exactly that 453 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 1: they're saying, I'm getting the same feeling, uh that I 454 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: had when I was back in the USSR. My kids 455 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 1: classroom experience is starting to feel like my classroom experience 456 00:26:55,720 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 1: in UH in the Soviet Union. And and I think 457 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 1: these folks have a kind of radar for this, they 458 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 1: have the instincts for it, They've understand they understand where 459 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 1: it goes. And uh, those are some of the favorite 460 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,679 Speaker 1: stories that I've done and reported on where you have 461 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,639 Speaker 1: uh families. For example, one woman from Iran in Portland 462 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,920 Speaker 1: public schools. She told me that when she was growing up, 463 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,679 Speaker 1: every day before school they would line her up outside 464 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 1: the school building and they would chant death to America. Um, 465 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 1: and she was able to escape Iran to come to 466 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 1: the United States to make a great life for herself. 467 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: And she says, you know, actually crying to me during 468 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 1: this interview, and she says, you know, now, my kid 469 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 1: in Portland's public schools is basically one step away from 470 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 1: chanting death to America. And if we don't have the 471 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,159 Speaker 1: ability to escape to this country, where can we go. 472 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,719 Speaker 1: This is kind of the last hope for freedom. And uh, 473 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,440 Speaker 1: these voices are powerful. We should listen to them. Well, yeah, 474 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,359 Speaker 1: now we have groups like you know, Antifa basically chanting that, 475 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 1: and yeah, they could probably run for Congress And when 476 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 1: so quick immercial break back with Chris Rutho soon, you know, So, 477 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,440 Speaker 1: I want to talk about the FBI and the Biden's 478 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 1: weaponization of the law against parents in America. We saw 479 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,919 Speaker 1: in September twenty nine the National school Boards Association, which 480 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 1: represents something like ninety thousand school board members who govern 481 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 1: our country's fourteen thousand local public school districts educating about 482 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 1: fifty million school children. So they wrote a letter to 483 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 1: the Biden administration. Uh. In the letter, they're worrying about 484 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 1: the threats from parents in America, and and in the 485 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 1: request or in the letter, it says they want they 486 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 1: want them to examine appropriate and enforceable actions against these 487 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 1: crimes under the Patriot Act in regards to domestic terrorism, 488 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 1: the Hate Crimes Prevention Act, and all other applicable federal laws. 489 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: And the letter goes on, Uh, you know, first of all, 490 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 1: what do you make of that letter from the National 491 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 1: school Board for Association. Yeah, the school board letter is 492 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 1: really deeply disturbing. I mean they're asserting that, uh, these 493 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 1: rowdy protests at school boards are a form of domestic 494 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 1: terrorism and should be prosecuted under the Patriot Act. I 495 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 1: mean to actually write that on paper and send it 496 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 1: to the President the United States is it's just bizarre. 497 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 1: It's really disconcerting. But um, what I did with this 498 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: letter was I actually went through every footnote in the letter. 499 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 1: So my my research team We went through every footnote, 500 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: We looked at every reference, because they're painting this picture 501 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 1: that there's widespread, ridespread violence across the country around around 502 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 1: school boards. But when you actually look at the evidence 503 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 1: they present, there's only one single example of physical violence 504 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 1: against the school official. Someone was being escorted out of 505 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 1: a school building or surrounding a school board meeting and 506 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 1: he either pushed or shoved or or struck a school 507 00:29:56,360 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: board official, which obviously should be condemned. You can't be 508 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: physically violent, well with with with anyone, especially a public official. 509 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 1: But this is hardly justification. I mean, simple assaults and 510 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 1: batteries happen, you know, hundreds of thousands of times every 511 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 1: day across this country. It's hardly the justification for saying 512 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 1: that because one school official got pushed in Illinois, therefore 513 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 1: all of the hundreds of thousands of parents that are 514 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 1: that are protesting at the school board meetings should be considered, uh, 515 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 1: the supporters of domestic terrorism. I mean, this is so 516 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 1: far beyond the pale. And then to not only have 517 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 1: that letter be sent, which I think is outrageous, but 518 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 1: to have it be received and then acted upon by 519 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 1: the Attorney General the United States, who has now mobilized 520 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 1: an FBI task force UH to monitor UH and to 521 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 1: intervene and to disrupt UH school board meetings local school 522 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 1: board meetings. I think is such a suppression, at such 523 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 1: a naked attempt to criminalize coal opposition. You can only imagine, 524 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 1: you know, FBI agents who you would think are are 525 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 1: infiltrating UH, you know al Qaeda terror self are now 526 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 1: going to be infiltrating PTA meetings and boise. I mean 527 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 1: it's such a comical UH and and really darkly absurd development. UM. 528 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 1: I think the administration has to either back down or 529 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 1: you know, if they don't, we have to force them 530 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 1: to well. And the Attorney General's memo said that they 531 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 1: that this is about addressing a disturbing spike and harassment, intimidation, 532 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 1: and threats of violence against school administrators, board members, teachers, 533 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 1: and staff who participate in the vital work of running 534 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 1: or nations public schools. As you mentioned, there are no 535 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 1: instances of actual violence. And I think you said even 536 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 1: the instance you cited that person was being essentially manhandled 537 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 1: out right, didn't you say that he was being uh, 538 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 1: that they were dragging about? So I mean you could 539 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 1: almost even argue that, like, that's probably unnecessary to begin 540 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 1: with that, you know, he was probably you know, acting 541 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 1: to that. But but regardless, so basically there there there aren't. 542 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 1: There are examples that they have listed of real, actual 543 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 1: threads that would even remotely involve the do o J 544 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,480 Speaker 1: and the FBI. That's right exactly. They actually the Attorney 545 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 1: General listed zero examples. They just assert it was no 546 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: evidence because they want you to believe that it's true. 547 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 1: And I mean, certainly we've seen rowity school board meetings. 548 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 1: We've seen heated school board meetings. We've seen parents arguing 549 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 1: and and uh, you know, we've seen some threatening behavior, 550 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 1: all of which I think we should avoid. I don't 551 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 1: think it's right. I think it's it's it's both kind 552 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 1: of morally and strategically the wrong way. But the reality 553 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 1: is that democracy, the democratic process, uh, sometimes evokes heated emotions, 554 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 1: and if they cross the line into threats or violence 555 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 1: or intimidation, uh, there's a perfectly normal recourse. You go 556 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 1: to your local police department. These are local issues that 557 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 1: should be handled by local authorities. There's no thing to 558 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 1: justify a nationwide FBI dragnet. I mean, there's zero justification 559 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,960 Speaker 1: and zero historical precedent for that. And so I think 560 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 1: what we can interpret it as the true intention is 561 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 1: to really uh slander uh and tar all of these 562 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,240 Speaker 1: parents who are taking time out of their day to 563 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 1: go improve their kids education, to participate in their local democracy. 564 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 1: Uh to to to say that not only are you racist, 565 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 1: which was the the insult that they tried to apply 566 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 1: over the summer, but now you're actually a domestic terrorists. 567 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,239 Speaker 1: So you've gone from committing a moral crime to an 568 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 1: actual statutory crime. Uh and and creating a pretext to 569 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 1: now potentially even jail people for voicing political opposition in 570 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 1: a manner that the Biden administration doesn't like. And uh, 571 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 1: this is unprecedented. This is this is absolute suppression. And 572 00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 1: I hope that any parents that are hearing this not 573 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 1: deterred obviously approach it. You know, you can have passion, 574 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 1: but but you know, be peaceful. Uh. But you have 575 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 1: to actually now double down. And I want to see 576 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,359 Speaker 1: twice as many parents showing up to these school board 577 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:17,279 Speaker 1: meetings because we can't show uh this administration that they 578 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:22,319 Speaker 1: can just intimidate uh and and and tower us as 579 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 1: racists and terrorists and whatever other you know, awful epithet 580 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,399 Speaker 1: they might throw. We're not going to be intimidated because 581 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:34,799 Speaker 1: we know that ultimately, uh, these institutions should be accountable 582 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,799 Speaker 1: to the public, school should be accountable to parents, and 583 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 1: we're not going to back down. Well, and you're right, 584 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 1: I mean I tweeted this out the other day. You know, 585 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,839 Speaker 1: sometimes speaking out is scary, but the ability to not 586 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,360 Speaker 1: or to to not be able to is even scarier. 587 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,040 Speaker 1: And of course that's where this all heads. If the 588 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,240 Speaker 1: left has their way of where you know, we lose 589 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,839 Speaker 1: that ability in this country that we no longer are 590 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,680 Speaker 1: a free country. We are a country with a centralized 591 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:00,719 Speaker 1: government where the left holds all of the power and 592 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,440 Speaker 1: we have none. And that's why it's important at this 593 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,839 Speaker 1: moment and critical at this moment for people to speak 594 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,400 Speaker 1: out and stand up for free speech and stand up 595 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 1: for freedom and or civil liberties in America. You know. 596 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:12,759 Speaker 1: But but for the FBI and the d o J, 597 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,279 Speaker 1: why why would this even be an issue for them 598 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 1: to get involved in? I mean, I think the clear 599 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 1: implication if you look at the timeline and then you 600 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 1: uh kind of do some thinking, and I actually have 601 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:28,480 Speaker 1: a republic foil request pending that I suspect will prove this, 602 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 1: but I think the most likely explanation is that the 603 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:36,399 Speaker 1: National school Board Association UH, the teachers unions and other 604 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,640 Speaker 1: key Democratic Party constituencies that really have all the power 605 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 1: UH publicly and likely privately pressured the administration to do this, 606 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 1: and then the administration immediately responds, and then you have 607 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,839 Speaker 1: the n s b A and the teachers Unions UH 608 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 1: celebrating within hours of the d O J memo. So 609 00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:00,440 Speaker 1: you really have, I think a clear instance of the 610 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,800 Speaker 1: Department of Justice, the Attorney General, and the FBI doing 611 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:07,760 Speaker 1: the bidding of the teachers unions who have been UH 612 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:12,440 Speaker 1: really under unprecedented pressure because of their unprecedented failure. They 613 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,000 Speaker 1: shut down schools, they kept them shut for a year, 614 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:20,000 Speaker 1: and now they're forcing kind of nonsensical masking policies and 615 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 1: then shoving critical race theory down the throats of kindergarteners. 616 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:28,880 Speaker 1: Parents are justifiably upset, and in order to deflect attention 617 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,279 Speaker 1: from their own failures, the teachers unions and school board 618 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:36,359 Speaker 1: unions are now trying to label anyone who opposes them 619 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:40,920 Speaker 1: a terrorist, rather than actually understanding why parents are upset 620 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 1: and making the changes. I mean, we have Uh, teachers unions, 621 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:48,680 Speaker 1: who are the laziest and most corrupt institutions in America 622 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:53,960 Speaker 1: that are now literally pulling the strings of the FBI 623 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,960 Speaker 1: and the Attorney General. UM. And that's what I think 624 00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:01,200 Speaker 1: is sparked such deep and broad outrage about this move. Well, 625 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,080 Speaker 1: and just to further underscore the point you're making, I mean, 626 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 1: Randy Wine Garner, UH, the teacher's union president, publicly thanked 627 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,000 Speaker 1: me Garland for doing this. They're really, I think, signaling 628 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,399 Speaker 1: very clearly this is this is the kind of chain 629 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,800 Speaker 1: of events, this is what's happening. And it also happened 630 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,880 Speaker 1: very quickly. It happened I think within five days of 631 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:27,759 Speaker 1: the original school Board Association letter UM, which suggests that 632 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,040 Speaker 1: kind of speed, suggests that this is something that had 633 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:34,000 Speaker 1: been ongoing. And you know, I think the deepest question 634 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:38,640 Speaker 1: that is that is revealed through this whole fiasco, through 635 00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 1: this whole conflict, isn't really about any of those surface issues. 636 00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,360 Speaker 1: It's not about masking or no masking. It's not about 637 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,280 Speaker 1: closed the schools open to schools. It's not about critical 638 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,040 Speaker 1: race theory or no critical race theory. It's really a 639 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,719 Speaker 1: question of authority. Who is the ultimate authority over these 640 00:37:55,719 --> 00:38:01,080 Speaker 1: public institutions. Is it parents and voters and legislators who 641 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,800 Speaker 1: tried now to reassert control or is it the permanent 642 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:10,080 Speaker 1: school bureaucracy, the directors of diversity and inclusion, and the 643 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:15,640 Speaker 1: teachers unions, all of whom operate outside the democratic process 644 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:20,520 Speaker 1: as permanent bureaucratic elements. Um, who's in control? Is it 645 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:26,200 Speaker 1: the public or is it the bureaucracy who runs American's institutions? 646 00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:30,000 Speaker 1: And to me, this is the key question and will 647 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:33,200 Speaker 1: be really seen over the next two years. Uh. Is 648 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:37,920 Speaker 1: our republic? Is our system of government? Is our Is 649 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:44,640 Speaker 1: our actual citizenry strong enough to retain public control? Or 650 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:48,719 Speaker 1: have we ceded our institutions to the bureaucrats to such 651 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,680 Speaker 1: an extent that we're not even in control of our 652 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,440 Speaker 1: own tax dollars, of our own entities, of our own 653 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:59,680 Speaker 1: kids education. Um, it's a really troubling question and I 654 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,360 Speaker 1: don't know the answer. I you know, my hope is 655 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,600 Speaker 1: that the public is still in control, but it's too 656 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,560 Speaker 1: early to tell. It really remains to be seen. Yeah, 657 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:10,759 Speaker 1: I mean it gets down to the basic issue of 658 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,600 Speaker 1: are we still a constitutional republic or not? That's right, 659 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:15,640 Speaker 1: and I hope we are you know, I'm I'm an 660 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:19,719 Speaker 1: optimistic person by nature, so I I I like to 661 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:21,799 Speaker 1: think that we can't we are, and I like to 662 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:26,000 Speaker 1: think that the public can reassert itself. UM, but what 663 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:30,719 Speaker 1: we've seen is that the entrenched powers and interests are 664 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,600 Speaker 1: willing to go all the way. I mean, they're willing 665 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:38,560 Speaker 1: to unleash the FBI on public school parents. Uh. This 666 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,680 Speaker 1: is something that I think is a desperate move, perhaps 667 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:46,840 Speaker 1: signaling weakness, but it's also a very authoritarian move, signaling 668 00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,520 Speaker 1: a willingness to cement their control over these institutions. So 669 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,560 Speaker 1: that's really the question. And I think it's not an 670 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:58,560 Speaker 1: exaggeration to say that our constitutional republic, as you said, UH, 671 00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,359 Speaker 1: is really at risk. It's really in play right now. Well, 672 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,480 Speaker 1: I think that's the battle that's going on right now. 673 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,920 Speaker 1: And I think it's actually even more disturbing than some 674 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:08,560 Speaker 1: of this because you know, I saw this video a 675 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:12,880 Speaker 1: while ago of where uh, young weaker children were forced 676 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,960 Speaker 1: to pledge allegiance to China more or less, and I 677 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:17,680 Speaker 1: think that's what this is about. You know, It's about 678 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,160 Speaker 1: communism and how these people in charge on the left, 679 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,719 Speaker 1: they want our kids to be beholden to the government 680 00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,920 Speaker 1: versus the parents, and so breaking up that family unit 681 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,239 Speaker 1: and forcing that allegiance gives them further control. And so 682 00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,520 Speaker 1: I you know, I actually personally believe it's all like 683 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,440 Speaker 1: even more disturbing than all of this um, you know, 684 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,080 Speaker 1: but to get into also like the way the media 685 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,239 Speaker 1: and like basically how the whole system works so not 686 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,000 Speaker 1: you know, then you've got the Teachers Union president thanking 687 00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:49,720 Speaker 1: Merrick Garland after the school Boards Association sends this letter, 688 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,960 Speaker 1: spurring the d o J and the FBI into action, 689 00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,839 Speaker 1: and then you have the media sweep in and come 690 00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:57,759 Speaker 1: in to run clean up and to cover for the 691 00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:01,480 Speaker 1: left in the system, and the Associated US is trying 692 00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,800 Speaker 1: to uh, you know, then fact check and say, oh, 693 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,279 Speaker 1: the National school Boards Association didn't really say this, so 694 00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:13,239 Speaker 1: so talk about the Associated Press recently in the fact 695 00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,879 Speaker 1: check that didn't go so well for them, in part 696 00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:18,960 Speaker 1: to your in part because of your doing. But you 697 00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,800 Speaker 1: have break that down for the folks at home. They've 698 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,160 Speaker 1: they've done this to me like a lot of different times, 699 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,640 Speaker 1: whether it's SNOPS or the Washington Post or the AP. 700 00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,759 Speaker 1: I mean, they're so upset at a lot of these 701 00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:33,120 Speaker 1: materials that I've uncovered in my reporting, uh, that they 702 00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,840 Speaker 1: try to play these language games to say, well, this 703 00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,800 Speaker 1: word doesn't really mean this thing, and uh, and therefore 704 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:43,160 Speaker 1: it's false. I mean, it's so easily debunked. But it 705 00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,920 Speaker 1: it's designed not to tell the truth, not to be 706 00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,520 Speaker 1: a real fact check. It's designed to delegitimize their opponents. 707 00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,680 Speaker 1: And so so then someone can say, well, actually, you know, 708 00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,799 Speaker 1: the AP fact checking and it's false. And in this 709 00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:59,239 Speaker 1: case it's so bizarre. I mean, it's so bizarre it's 710 00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,880 Speaker 1: almost hard to be east. But the AP released a 711 00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:06,000 Speaker 1: fact check. They fact checked an Instagram post that had 712 00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:11,880 Speaker 1: screenshot at my Twitter post or tweet, uh that that 713 00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:16,200 Speaker 1: that highlighted the letter from from the Attorney General and said, 714 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:20,080 Speaker 1: you know, the Attorney General has mobilized the FBI against 715 00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:24,480 Speaker 1: parents at school board meeting, citing citing unspecified threats. And 716 00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:28,759 Speaker 1: it follows the National School Board Association requesting that the 717 00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:33,360 Speaker 1: FBI or that the that the government classify parent protests 718 00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,520 Speaker 1: as quote, domestic terrorism, and they said, no, that's false. 719 00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:40,359 Speaker 1: They didn't ask them to to reclassify as domestic terrorism. 720 00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,600 Speaker 1: Which is bizarre because the actual letter is available publicly 721 00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:47,320 Speaker 1: and it says domestic terrorism twice. It says, uh, these 722 00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:51,600 Speaker 1: acts of malice, threats, and violence should be considered or 723 00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,960 Speaker 1: equivalent to an act of domestic terrorism, and that they 724 00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,040 Speaker 1: should be prosecuted under the Patriot Act according to the 725 00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:01,440 Speaker 1: domestic terrorism lass, I mean, very clearly laid out in 726 00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,040 Speaker 1: this letter. And then they said it's false, and their 727 00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:07,520 Speaker 1: justification was, well, they're not saying that all parents should 728 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,680 Speaker 1: be labeled domestic terrorists, only the parents who are committing 729 00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:15,319 Speaker 1: acts of malice, threats and violence. And it's like their 730 00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,800 Speaker 1: fact checking a claim that no one made. I certainly 731 00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,680 Speaker 1: didn't say that they should. They're saying all parents, But 732 00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,560 Speaker 1: what is an act of malice? Is yelling at a 733 00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,600 Speaker 1: school board official and active malice? Or is it protected speech? 734 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,920 Speaker 1: Is it domestic terrorism? Or is it political participation? The 735 00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:34,440 Speaker 1: letter itself was so broad that it could capture a 736 00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:39,440 Speaker 1: majority of these parents, and the the AP apparently lacked 737 00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:45,320 Speaker 1: the basic knowledge in reading, comprehension, really or or honesty 738 00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:48,799 Speaker 1: and integrity, probably all of the above, in order to 739 00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:50,799 Speaker 1: release an honest fact check. So what we had is 740 00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,800 Speaker 1: actually just beautiful. I mean, the ratio on their tweet, 741 00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,600 Speaker 1: you know, their fact check was, you know, two thousand 742 00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:00,600 Speaker 1: to one. Uh, and and people aren't buying it anymore. 743 00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,839 Speaker 1: And then you have the fact check reporter and then 744 00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,919 Speaker 1: the editor of fact checking locking their Twitter accounts because 745 00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,960 Speaker 1: they were getting exposed uh by so many people in 746 00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,400 Speaker 1: the public. And then I have an official complaint. And 747 00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,400 Speaker 1: so we'll see what happens. We'll see if they back down, 748 00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,000 Speaker 1: We'll see if they were tracked. Uh. If they do, 749 00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:21,640 Speaker 1: I'm certainly going to celebrate that and uh and you know, 750 00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,880 Speaker 1: do a little end zone dance uh on the on 751 00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,319 Speaker 1: the corpse of the apes reputation. And if they don't, 752 00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:32,040 Speaker 1: we're just gonna keep hammering them because fact checking, I 753 00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:35,400 Speaker 1: think is probably the most dishonest uh segment of the 754 00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,000 Speaker 1: news business. And uh, you know, we should attack it 755 00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,919 Speaker 1: until it loses all its credibility. Well, and we've seen 756 00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:44,080 Speaker 1: that even with COVID, like the sources of information or 757 00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,560 Speaker 1: like the CDC and people who have like literally changed 758 00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:50,279 Speaker 1: the story and changed the information and like going from oh, 759 00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:53,120 Speaker 1: you know, COVID vaccines will prevent the spread of COVID 760 00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:54,920 Speaker 1: saying oh, just kidding, like I won't do, you know 761 00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:56,920 Speaker 1: what I mean? And these are the basis of the 762 00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,120 Speaker 1: fact check. So it's it's all just a ruse. It's all, 763 00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,279 Speaker 1: you know, garbage, which is really the whole point of 764 00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,319 Speaker 1: this podcast is I feel like we're living in this 765 00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,960 Speaker 1: increasingly post truth world and it's an opportunity to have 766 00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,560 Speaker 1: people like you come on. I feel like it feels 767 00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,000 Speaker 1: like we're all living in the dumpster. Just wait, just 768 00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,080 Speaker 1: waiting through the garbage. That's what it feels like on 769 00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:17,040 Speaker 1: a daily basis. It's just I'm sure you know you're 770 00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,120 Speaker 1: you're in this. So it's like, I just feel like 771 00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,799 Speaker 1: we live. It's like, it just feels like we're living 772 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,320 Speaker 1: in this insane asylum. Like it's like this bizarro world. 773 00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,759 Speaker 1: Up is down, down is up. Nothing makes it And 774 00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:28,800 Speaker 1: like the arity of all of this is like the FBI, 775 00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:32,080 Speaker 1: the Assistant director of counter Terrorism, recently admitted and a 776 00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,840 Speaker 1: congressional hearing that they don't really track left wing violence. 777 00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:36,880 Speaker 1: He said that the bureau doesn't consider Antifa to be 778 00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,680 Speaker 1: an organization, so they're not. So it's like, so, so 779 00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,719 Speaker 1: that's not of concern when they're literally a freaking war 780 00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:47,919 Speaker 1: zone in Portland's, Oregon. But parents who are standing up 781 00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,600 Speaker 1: for their right to what to do, to learn, and 782 00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:52,279 Speaker 1: to know what their kids are being taught when they're 783 00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:56,040 Speaker 1: paying the teacher salaries as taxpayers, don't you know. But 784 00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:59,279 Speaker 1: but Antifa burning down cities and locking federal agents into 785 00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,720 Speaker 1: a courthouse and I to light it on fire, that's 786 00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:05,000 Speaker 1: not an issue. It's like, what the actual you know, 787 00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,839 Speaker 1: f right, So I'm not gonna curse my my parents. 788 00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:09,759 Speaker 1: Do you listen to this? So I don't know, but like, 789 00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:13,040 Speaker 1: what the actual hell? And I think, you know, on 790 00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:16,000 Speaker 1: the one hand, they obviously know. I mean, these are 791 00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,799 Speaker 1: smart people, these are educated people. They have they've seen 792 00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:24,560 Speaker 1: the I mean the pictures. Uh, this is obviously I mean, 793 00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:28,040 Speaker 1: they know the truth, they see it, um. But I 794 00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:31,840 Speaker 1: think the really astonishing thing is that they know the truth. 795 00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,520 Speaker 1: They know that we know the truth, but they have 796 00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:38,239 Speaker 1: such a strong grip on power that they can blatantly 797 00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,960 Speaker 1: lie to the public without any serious consequences. And I 798 00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:45,360 Speaker 1: think for conservatives, I think oftentimes we get caught in 799 00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:49,040 Speaker 1: this in this this trap that maybe feels good momentarily, 800 00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,799 Speaker 1: but it doesn't achieve anything. Where a lot of us think, well, 801 00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,960 Speaker 1: you know, we'll just expose the hypocrisy and you know, 802 00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,320 Speaker 1: we've got them. It's like, no, you we have to 803 00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,880 Speaker 1: figure out strategies where we can change the balance of 804 00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,680 Speaker 1: power so that we can actually hold them accountable, uh 805 00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:08,319 Speaker 1: and reduce their power, threaten their power, uh, take away 806 00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:12,920 Speaker 1: their power so that they actually change the behavior. Because 807 00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,640 Speaker 1: right now they're getting away with this. I mean, they 808 00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:17,319 Speaker 1: really are getting away with it. They can say that 809 00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:21,200 Speaker 1: parent protesters who yell at school board members are going 810 00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:24,960 Speaker 1: to be investigated by the National FBI Task Force as 811 00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:30,480 Speaker 1: domestic terrorists, but kind of mentally ill criminals in Portland, Oregon, 812 00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:34,680 Speaker 1: dressed in all black that are trapping federal employees in 813 00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:38,040 Speaker 1: a courthouse building and then lighting it on fire don't 814 00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:42,480 Speaker 1: even exist. I mean, it's it's that level of insane 815 00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:46,600 Speaker 1: delusion that I think we can only break through with 816 00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:52,759 Speaker 1: serious reforms and hopefully, uh, actually exercising our power in 817 00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:54,920 Speaker 1: a way that will make a difference to see. I 818 00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,959 Speaker 1: think even saying Antifa, you know, mentally ill, is doing 819 00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:01,800 Speaker 1: the favor. I think that these people are just rotten 820 00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,320 Speaker 1: in their hearts and in their souls and are truly 821 00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,759 Speaker 1: evil people, and you know, mentally it would sort of 822 00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:12,239 Speaker 1: take away the the agency in knowing what they're doing 823 00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,600 Speaker 1: and the decisions that they're making. I think there's a 824 00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:18,279 Speaker 1: room for both. Yeah, I think it's likely that, but 825 00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,000 Speaker 1: I mean you have actually high I mean saying a 826 00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,240 Speaker 1: factual thing, you have a high prevalence of mental illness 827 00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,360 Speaker 1: among a lot of these people, because I think the 828 00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,359 Speaker 1: people you're talking about that are truly evil and motivated 829 00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:33,960 Speaker 1: by those intentions then recruit the kind of broken and 830 00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:37,560 Speaker 1: mentally ill as their foot soldiers. And we've seen reporting 831 00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:39,719 Speaker 1: on that. And you have people who are yeah, I 832 00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,319 Speaker 1: mean really intention to burn down the country and to 833 00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,919 Speaker 1: hate everyone and to cause death and destruction, and then 834 00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,839 Speaker 1: the people who are attracted to that message that are 835 00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:52,399 Speaker 1: being really manipulated and used by these organizations. I mean, 836 00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:56,920 Speaker 1: it's it's all. It's all bad. It's really all really 837 00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,560 Speaker 1: a kind of tragic situation. And you'd hope that we 838 00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,960 Speaker 1: have a law enforcement apparatus that would be able to 839 00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,360 Speaker 1: break it up, to not only stop the violence, but 840 00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,520 Speaker 1: also to protect some of the vulnerable people who are 841 00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:10,640 Speaker 1: swept into it. Um, we don't have that. I mean, 842 00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,279 Speaker 1: we really don't have that. They have essentially a blank 843 00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,880 Speaker 1: chet and and uh blanche from the government to do 844 00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,000 Speaker 1: whatever they want. I'm not gonna lie. That was a 845 00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,440 Speaker 1: good response. You've done this before, Chris, You're good at 846 00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,319 Speaker 1: this um so I want to I want to get 847 00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,640 Speaker 1: into but before we all get you know, I know 848 00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:28,839 Speaker 1: it's hard for you know, the folks listening to this, 849 00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:32,560 Speaker 1: including myself, including Chris. It's hard. It's you know, it's 850 00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:37,160 Speaker 1: it's hard not to feel sort of the sadness about 851 00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,759 Speaker 1: what's going on in our country and a heavy heartedness. 852 00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,240 Speaker 1: But there have been winds and you are making a difference, 853 00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,640 Speaker 1: and you're bringing this to light, and you're exposing a 854 00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:46,759 Speaker 1: lot of this information, and you are I mean, the 855 00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:50,040 Speaker 1: media went from basically saying this wasn't happening too fast 856 00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:52,560 Speaker 1: forwarding and sticking the FBI and the d o J 857 00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:57,040 Speaker 1: on parents, right, So that has happened. You've also you've 858 00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:00,560 Speaker 1: exposed so many companies around the country as well, corporations 859 00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:03,080 Speaker 1: where they're doing in. Fox Business recently reported that major 860 00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:07,520 Speaker 1: Wall Street firms are ditching critical race theory training programs. Uh. So, 861 00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:09,799 Speaker 1: you you are making a difference. I mean, this is 862 00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:13,160 Speaker 1: having an impact. Talk about some of those wins and 863 00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:15,799 Speaker 1: some of the change that has happened by bringing this 864 00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,320 Speaker 1: all to light. Yeah, I mean think first and foremost, 865 00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,080 Speaker 1: we've we've won. I mean, it's it's really you know, me, 866 00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:23,479 Speaker 1: James Lindsay, a couple other folks is a very small 867 00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:25,960 Speaker 1: group of people that are really have been working on this. 868 00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:29,279 Speaker 1: But despite our our our lack of numbers, and our 869 00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:33,360 Speaker 1: lack of budget compared to our adversaries, we've done something 870 00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:36,879 Speaker 1: I think amazing. We've gone from about zero percent name 871 00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:40,160 Speaker 1: recognition for critical race theory. So now a hundred and 872 00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:44,320 Speaker 1: fifty million American adults of American adults have been following 873 00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,359 Speaker 1: the story and know about critical race theory. So in 874 00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:50,120 Speaker 1: one year, we've educated a hundred and fifty million people 875 00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:54,320 Speaker 1: to some degree. And among those people now they opposed 876 00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,560 Speaker 1: critical race theory by about a twenty point margin. Uh, 877 00:50:57,600 --> 00:50:59,880 Speaker 1: and then parents opposed it by in some cases of 878 00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:04,799 Speaker 1: forty point margin. I mean, we've absolutely decisively one this 879 00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:09,759 Speaker 1: public opinion battle by raising the issue, creating the language 880 00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:14,840 Speaker 1: and an unleashing uh, this grassroots movement arming parents with 881 00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:18,120 Speaker 1: the vocabulary to get this done. And we've also flipped 882 00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:22,239 Speaker 1: school boards. Uh. We've had parents and parents activists, uh, 883 00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:26,160 Speaker 1: get the resignation of school superintendents that are pushing critical 884 00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:28,880 Speaker 1: race theory not just in red states but actually in 885 00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,759 Speaker 1: multiple school districts in New York State and then we've 886 00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:36,719 Speaker 1: also passed legislation or school board mandates, state state board 887 00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:41,840 Speaker 1: of Education mandates in nine states banning critical race paedagogies 888 00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:45,880 Speaker 1: and indoctrination from K through twelve schools. So we've protected 889 00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:50,319 Speaker 1: seventy five million people and their kids from critical race 890 00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:54,279 Speaker 1: theory in K through twelve classrooms through state legislation. And 891 00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:59,319 Speaker 1: then finally, even corporations, UM, just by relentlessly exposing them 892 00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,000 Speaker 1: have started to back down. And some of them, you know, 893 00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:06,000 Speaker 1: won't say which ones you know came after me, uh, 894 00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:09,520 Speaker 1: you know, stick to their lobbyists and PR firms and lawyers. 895 00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,720 Speaker 1: But we stood tall, we stood strong, and eventually these 896 00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:18,600 Speaker 1: mega corporations backed down. Uh. And UH, I think it's 897 00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:23,880 Speaker 1: really signals, uh, some hope, some possibility that if you, 898 00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,480 Speaker 1: if we have the courage to stand up for this, 899 00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:30,719 Speaker 1: we can rally public pressure and public opinion in order 900 00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:35,000 Speaker 1: to win. And we're I think seeing that, and then 901 00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:40,440 Speaker 1: we're seeing I think the FBI kind of fiasco legitimizes us, 902 00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:44,160 Speaker 1: uh in a few important ways. One, it shows that 903 00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:46,719 Speaker 1: we are a serious threat to the control of the 904 00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:51,880 Speaker 1: teachers unions and the school board Association over these public schools. 905 00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,120 Speaker 1: I mean they see us now as a threat to 906 00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:57,719 Speaker 1: their political and economic power. Um. But also I think 907 00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:00,880 Speaker 1: it elevates us in a kind of curious way that uh, 908 00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:04,719 Speaker 1: that really shows us, uh, this movement of us, kind 909 00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:06,680 Speaker 1: of the intellectuals who are involved in this, but also 910 00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:13,000 Speaker 1: our our our parents activists and parent protesters. Um. That 911 00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:15,520 Speaker 1: it really draws the battle lines. I mean, it really 912 00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:18,160 Speaker 1: is saying this isn't us versus them battle and we 913 00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:22,040 Speaker 1: are the counterculture in many ways, we are the opposition. 914 00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:26,239 Speaker 1: We are the the the the rebel force. And I 915 00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:29,440 Speaker 1: think you know, to me, it gives us almost a 916 00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:33,520 Speaker 1: kind of romantic air. Uh. It gives us a sense 917 00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:36,520 Speaker 1: that we are fighting the system. We're fighting the man, 918 00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:40,799 Speaker 1: We're fighting the you know, the Feds. Um. And Uh, 919 00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:44,120 Speaker 1: to me, I think it shows that we've reversed roles 920 00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:47,520 Speaker 1: since the nineteen sixties. Uh. And now now parents who 921 00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:51,000 Speaker 1: want to a good education, they want to raise their kids. Uh, 922 00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:55,000 Speaker 1: they love this country. Um. It's clear. I mean the 923 00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:57,960 Speaker 1: state has mobilized against us, uh, and it's up to 924 00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:01,279 Speaker 1: us to now mobilize against the state. Well. And also, 925 00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:05,840 Speaker 1: I mean we've seen support for school choice skyrocket throughout COVID. 926 00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:08,640 Speaker 1: We've seen I think over one point five million students 927 00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:11,279 Speaker 1: leave government runs schools. Home schooling I think I believe 928 00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:14,799 Speaker 1: is tripled. So we're seeing parents take action to in 929 00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:18,279 Speaker 1: the decisions that they are making for their children. Uh. 930 00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:20,120 Speaker 1: And then you know, if they can't make those actions, 931 00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:22,080 Speaker 1: if they can't afford their pool their kids out of 932 00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:25,560 Speaker 1: public schools, we're at least seeing support for schools choice skyrocket, 933 00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:30,720 Speaker 1: and hopefully people vote accordingly because local elections matter, federal 934 00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:33,759 Speaker 1: elections matter at all matters, and it all comes down 935 00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:35,560 Speaker 1: to getting active and getting out there. You know, you 936 00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:38,840 Speaker 1: tweeted this recently. You tweeted when we mounted the attack 937 00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:41,399 Speaker 1: against critical race theory, we hit the regime at its 938 00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:45,960 Speaker 1: ideological nerve center. Now the regime is trying to reassert control. 939 00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:49,480 Speaker 1: Hold the line. How do we hold the line? I mean, 940 00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:51,719 Speaker 1: keep doing what you're doing. I mean we're winning, and 941 00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:54,920 Speaker 1: I think that we need to redouble our efforts. So, UM, 942 00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:57,680 Speaker 1: if you're feeling tired, you've had a long day, your 943 00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:01,000 Speaker 1: kids are driving you crazy, UH, will get up and 944 00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,000 Speaker 1: know that you have to go to that school board meeting, 945 00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:07,520 Speaker 1: Run for school board, run for mayor, um. Uh, get 946 00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,120 Speaker 1: active in your local community if you have a company 947 00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:12,799 Speaker 1: that is kind of going down this path. Uh, you know, 948 00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:15,200 Speaker 1: rally some of your colleagues and send an email to 949 00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:17,640 Speaker 1: the CEO saying why you oppose it, But we don't 950 00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:21,120 Speaker 1: want critical race there in the workplace, and we can 951 00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:23,359 Speaker 1: hold the line. And actually we can. I think we're 952 00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:27,480 Speaker 1: actually moving the line very much in our favor against 953 00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:31,520 Speaker 1: our our opponents, um, by these simple actions and really 954 00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:35,840 Speaker 1: by the activities not of any organized movement or institutions. 955 00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,279 Speaker 1: We don't have those. But what we do have is 956 00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:41,440 Speaker 1: the public energy, and we need to keep stoking that 957 00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:45,280 Speaker 1: public energy, keep renewing that public energy, and then really 958 00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:50,319 Speaker 1: having these great parents who in cases are making an eloquence, 959 00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:55,160 Speaker 1: informed and passion case, you need to keep showing up. Uh. 960 00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:58,400 Speaker 1: We can't give up now. I think that uh uh, 961 00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:01,080 Speaker 1: you know it's really show is that we can actually 962 00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:07,040 Speaker 1: uh take control over these institutions as they were intended 963 00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:11,080 Speaker 1: to be, which is controlled by the public, controlled by voters, 964 00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:14,760 Speaker 1: controlled by parents. And so you know, yeah, hold the line, 965 00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:19,200 Speaker 1: double down, do not stop. Um, just keep going. And 966 00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:23,880 Speaker 1: I think that uh uh, the great kind of motivator 967 00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,600 Speaker 1: here is that people care about their kids. And if 968 00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:30,640 Speaker 1: people sense that their kids are being threatened or abused. Um, 969 00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:32,799 Speaker 1: you know, don't go to great lags. And that's what 970 00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:34,640 Speaker 1: we're seeing, and that's what I hope we continue to see. 971 00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,640 Speaker 1: And where can people find your work and support the 972 00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:40,319 Speaker 1: work that you're doing. Yeah, you can find all of 973 00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:45,000 Speaker 1: my articles, essays, films, videos at my website. It's Christopher 974 00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:49,040 Speaker 1: Rufo dot com. That's Christopher r Ufo dot com. I 975 00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:54,640 Speaker 1: also have now small supporters five a month that really 976 00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:58,200 Speaker 1: helped fuel this and help me create content, do the research, 977 00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:02,080 Speaker 1: have a team of people working on these projects, and 978 00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:05,160 Speaker 1: so uh, that's a great way to support what I'm doing. Chris, 979 00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:07,440 Speaker 1: you're doing great work and you're actually putting points on 980 00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:09,680 Speaker 1: the board. So thank you for what you're doing. And 981 00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:11,960 Speaker 1: I really really really appreciate you taking the time for 982 00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:21,240 Speaker 1: for my show. Blacklise, good to talk to you. I 983 00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:24,560 Speaker 1: want to thank Chris Grupo again for such an incredible interview. 984 00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:27,280 Speaker 1: I learned so much. I hope you guys did too. 985 00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:29,840 Speaker 1: That's the whole point of the show, to dig deep 986 00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:32,480 Speaker 1: beyond surface level, to get to the truth of these 987 00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:35,320 Speaker 1: big issues we're facing as a nation at this critical 988 00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:39,320 Speaker 1: juncture for our country. If you enjoyed today's show, Please 989 00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:41,320 Speaker 1: leave us a review and rate us five stars and 990 00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:45,160 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts. 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