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Speaker 1: This One Bill's Live presented by Calida Health.

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Speaker 2: All Right, it's a new week, it's a Monday. Welcome

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Speaker 2: to One Bill's Live. And then there were two two

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Speaker 2: teams remain as the super Bowl is set for Super

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Speaker 2: Bowl fifty eight in Las Vegas in two weeks time

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Speaker 2: Chiefs and Niners. And we'll get a little bit more

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Speaker 2: into that in just a second. I think it probably

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Speaker 2: behooves us to get to the Bills coaching first and foremost.

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Speaker 2: It's not breaking news necessarily, but kind of feel like

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Speaker 2: we are a show of records. So we got to

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Speaker 2: bring up to speed a little bit here. And yesterday,

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Speaker 2: almost twenty four hours ago, the Bills put out a

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Speaker 2: release naming Joe Brady their full time offensive coordinator, removing

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Speaker 2: the interim tag. On Sunday, after Brady took over as

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Speaker 2: the interim coordinator midway through the season, we saw some

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Speaker 2: changes to Buffalo's offense. The Bills ran the ball more,

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Speaker 2: they increased their time of possession, Josh ran more and

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Speaker 2: through fewer interceptions. The question now, though, Steve, is who

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Speaker 2: will be Buffalo's quarterbacks coach, because that would seemingly be

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Speaker 2: a position that still needs to be filled.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting. You could make a case and I

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Speaker 3: don't know this.

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Speaker 2: I don't think they want Brady to do both.

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Speaker 3: No, you need another guy. You need another guy because

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Speaker 3: the offensive coordinator's job is to stretch the starting quarterback

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Speaker 3: to his you know, to his limits, and get more

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Speaker 3: and more out of him and help him career, help

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Speaker 3: them get better. I remember back in the day, Jim Kelly,

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Speaker 3: Teddy Marchibroda. Always Jim always felt like he was getting better,

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Speaker 3: even as a six or eight year guy, or however

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Speaker 3: long it was. When he was with Teddy five or

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Speaker 3: six years, I guess he felt like he was getting

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Speaker 3: better and better and better under Ted's coaching. As an

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Speaker 3: offensive coordinator, that means you have to have a quarterbacks

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Speaker 3: coach who buffers the tension between hey, you got to

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Speaker 3: do more, and here's what we're going to do to

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Speaker 3: help you kind of thing. That's why former quarterbacks are

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Speaker 3: and they can it's about massaging that relationship. I remember

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Speaker 3: I had conversations with Frank Reich when he was the

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Speaker 3: quarterbacks coach in Indianapolis with Peyton. He said all he

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Speaker 3: did was go went from Tom Moore to Peyton, back

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Speaker 3: and forth with information, game plans, that kind of thing,

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Speaker 3: and he goes, I knew before I took the playlist

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Speaker 3: the game plan to Peyton, he's not going to like

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Speaker 3: this this that, you know. But unless he had it

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Speaker 3: from Peyton that like no, no, no, he couldn't you know,

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Speaker 3: he couldn't make any changes. That's the quarterbacks coach is

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Speaker 3: kind of like that. He's a political figure more than

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Speaker 3: he is, you know what I mean, And the group diagno.

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Speaker 2: Ultimately, it sounds like he's the quarterback's advocate.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and also he's the coordinator's advocate because he's in

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Speaker 3: those rooms too. He understands how they get to those

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Speaker 3: plays that they want to put in, you know, and

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Speaker 3: so it's a it's a collaboration and the quarterbacks coaches

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Speaker 3: the grease that makes it run. Well. You know, I.

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Speaker 2: Wonder if coach McDermott waits to let some of the

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Speaker 2: bigger names land places because obviously, well maybe not. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you got I'm sure he's got a short list. Most

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Speaker 2: coaches have a ready made short list to fill positions.

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Speaker 2: Knowing the movement that coaches have year over year in

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Speaker 2: this league, it is. It is happening every single offseason

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Speaker 2: when you have six to eight head coach openings, invariably

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Speaker 2: you're going to have assistance moving here, there, and everywhere.

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Speaker 3: You're talking about one hundred and fifty people changing jobs

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Speaker 3: and over two hundred interviewing for those yeah, and and

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Speaker 3: families moving well. Right, the dynamics and your think about

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Speaker 3: where the Detroit Lions are today. They were a team

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Speaker 3: You know, the OC is gonna leave. You know, they

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Speaker 3: got Aaron Glenn's gonna get interviewed maybe for a head

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Speaker 3: like a completely different get up and team than they were,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So it'll be interesting to see the path the

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Speaker 2: going forward. They also have a defensive line coach position

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Speaker 2: before in his career. He will not be calling the plays. However,

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Speaker 2: We should also mention that ESPN's Jeremy follow reported today

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Speaker 3: So that happened. We know that last.

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Speaker 2: Week Bobby Babbage interviewed with the Giants. That happened last Wednesday.

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Speaker 2: Now they have about five other candidates for the job.

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Speaker 2: The other thing that's interesting there is, you know, the

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Speaker 2: maybe that becomes not necessarily a roadblock, but it becomes

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Speaker 3: That's for some of these candidates. That's the conversation during

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Speaker 3: the interview Pross, what can you do with our personnel?

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Speaker 3: You're gonna run a four to three? What do you think?

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Speaker 3: run a four to three with the personnel you have

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Speaker 3: we're gonna need a you know, a three technique if

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Speaker 3: There'll be a lot of that going on. But and

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Speaker 3: if they're gonna change out players anyway, they just get

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Speaker 3: different new players instead of the three four. New players

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Speaker 3: what the interview process is gonna be totally about, if

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Speaker 3: they know they know that about Bob Babbage anyway, before

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Speaker 2: Packers were another team that requested to interview Babbage. Don't

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Speaker 2: late last week we saw the Dolphins put in a

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Speaker 2: that was left vacant by Vic Fangio, who then subsequently

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Speaker 2: So the coaching carousel spins and will continue to do so,

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Speaker 2: probably for the next couple of weeks here until the

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Speaker 2: final two head coaching jobs are filled in Washington and Seattle.

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Speaker 2: Those are the only two that remain open at this time.

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Speaker 2: But let's discuss AFC NFC Championship games. Steve says it

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Speaker 2: so much. Some listener of ours put it on a

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Speaker 2: play well on that day. The Ravens did not hosted

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Speaker 2: the AFC Championship game and did not play their best.

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Speaker 2: Number one defense did play well enough to win the game,

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Speaker 2: holding the Chiefs to seventeen points. I think it's the

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Speaker 2: offense that really let them down. Turned the ball over

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Speaker 2: and you know what else, the Ravens with some undisciplined penalties,

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Speaker 3: Say Flowers was foolish. The Chiefs had it right, and

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Speaker 3: I'll say say what you were. Gravis Kelsey baited that

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Speaker 3: Travis Kelcey is absolutely one of the smartest football players

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Speaker 3: in the NFL. He absolutely is, and he knew this.

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Speaker 3: The Ravens are a team that likes that bully mentality.

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Speaker 3: They like to, you know, when the when there's a

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Speaker 3: pile on the whistles blow, the Ravens always keep pushing after.

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Speaker 3: They're the ones who win that little final push and

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Speaker 3: they're always the one. They're the ones who go ultra

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Speaker 3: They're the ones. And the chiefs absolutely used it against them.

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Speaker 3: They absolutely baited them into it and wouldn't back down

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Speaker 3: And the Ravens couldn't handle it. They absolutely blew a

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Speaker 3: I mean, being being big and bad is a part

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Speaker 3: gonna prove it, somebody's gonna punch in the mouth, and

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Speaker 3: if they do, you've got to take a punch once

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Speaker 3: in a while. You can't. You don't punch back after

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Speaker 3: the way. You don't do it. You pick your spots.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: It's a common question that Sean McDermott asks draft prospects

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Speaker 2: you rather be tough? If you had to choose, would

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Speaker 2: tough player? And I think there's a lot in that answer.

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Speaker 2: No matter how you slice it, and I think both

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Speaker 3: To be smart. You gotta be smart.

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Speaker 2: You have to be smart.

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Speaker 3: It's it's absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Margins are too thin.

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Speaker 3: Smart player, and I've said this a ton too. Smart

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Speaker 3: players absolutely get better year after year. They improve themselves.

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Speaker 3: They look at they have the ability to look at themselves,

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Speaker 3: have a sense of self awareness, and they get better.

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Speaker 3: They work on what they're not good at. That's what

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Speaker 3: smart players do. Tough players, here's the here's the thing

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Speaker 3: with being a tough player. Here's why I get it.

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Speaker 3: But here's why it's tough. It's hard to be a

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Speaker 3: tough player. You gotta prove it every week. You gotta

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Speaker 3: you gotta punch, and you gotta get punched, and you

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Speaker 3: got you know, you've got to do that every week.

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Speaker 3: You gotta prove it every week. You never get one

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Speaker 3: of those games where you're in pro glide, right, you

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Speaker 3: you always have to be doing that. You always have

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Speaker 3: to be proven it. And to prove how tough you are,

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Speaker 3: you got to take some shots and then get up

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Speaker 3: and keep playing. And it's not easy and quite frankly,

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Speaker 3: the desire to keep doing that says how not smart

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Speaker 3: smart players always improve, always get better. Dumb guys are

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Speaker 3: the same guy four years into their career as they

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Speaker 3: He can make it work. And then you throw those

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Speaker 3: all that. Like the Chiefs are dealing with Mahomes. They

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Speaker 2: But you could tell in the second half Lamar did

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Speaker 3: They just are. You're playing the best teams in the league.

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Speaker 3: But man, like that was just augh.

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Speaker 2: I mean that offense. And here's the other thing. Todd

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Speaker 3: The football like well, that's the thing.

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Speaker 3: Even so with all the throws, they called, Lamar is

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Speaker 3: go keep it moving, And he didn't. He tried to

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Speaker 3: those kind of decisions that is their part and parcel

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Speaker 2: He's a better overall decision maker, but.

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Speaker 3: He makes better decisions. And that's you know, we everybody.

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Speaker 3: Josh certainly can overcome bad decisions. Lamar can certainly do it.

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Speaker 3: Brock Purdy seems to make them all the time. We've

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Speaker 3: you know, yesterday Lamar couldn't do it. He could not

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Speaker 3: of a bad one. I mean that's happened before.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, do we all remember the one hundred

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Speaker 3: Six five hundred people in the stands, Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 3: And that was his MVP year, right, No, I don't

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Speaker 2: That's the problem in that there's a lot there's you

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Speaker 2: yesterday was no indication that he's learned from past lessons.

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Speaker 2: I mean that throw into triple coverage at the end

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Speaker 2: I know the Chiefs still had to kill the last

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Speaker 2: to do that. It's just unfortunate. So meanwhile, that propels

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Speaker 3: Hit was his eighth year in the league. Mahomes did

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got the rundown because people are already comparing

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Speaker 2: Tom Brady seventy and twenty four, one loss record, Mahomes

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Speaker 3: So he's got him there.

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Speaker 2: Playoff record Brady twelve and two, Mahomes fourteen and three

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Speaker 3: Blows Brady away.

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Speaker 2: Brady won sixty seven touchdowns eighty seven picks, Mahomes two

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Speaker 2: Rating one three seven to eighty eight four.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's killing him. These comparisons are going all over

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Speaker 3: There's a different couple of different ways to look at

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Speaker 3: it and Mahomes. I mean you're you're looking at Mahomes

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Speaker 2: He's twenty rushing it, Steve, He's twenty eight years old

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Speaker 2: He has already tied Terry Bradshaw, John Elway, and Peyton

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Speaker 3: So his peak now is it's a zenith. I mean,

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Speaker 3: Even so, Mahome's got a long way to go to

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Speaker 2: He's doing it more efficiently. I mean, his numbers are

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Speaker 3: In the first six years.

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Speaker 2: He's now only Brady and Joe Montana have won more

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Speaker 2: to say it again, is twenty eight years old. He

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Speaker 2: because growing up a Knicks fan, there was a very

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Speaker 2: good Knicks team under pat Riley that could not get

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Speaker 2: past Michael Jordan. He was just too good, too good,

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Speaker 2: and at some times you could argue that the cast

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Speaker 2: he had around him wasn't even as good as what

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Speaker 2: the Knicks had collectively, and it still didn't matter. And

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Speaker 2: that's what you saw this year. This has got to

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Speaker 2: be the weakest Chiefs offense we have seen since Mahomes

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Speaker 2: became a starter, and it just doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.

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Speaker 2: And we should also say this too. It's Mahomes and

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Speaker 2: Andy Reid, which is a lot like Michael Jordan, Phil Jackson.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they also have you know, and if you're doing that,

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Speaker 3: you know Michael Jordan's Scottie Pippen. I mean, and I'll

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Speaker 3: say this too. Kelsey has turned it on over the

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Speaker 3: last season. He was he was okay, he was good

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Speaker 3: in the regular season. He's been elite in eleven for eleven. Yes,

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Speaker 3: he's been elite in this playoff run. And you can

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Speaker 3: see it too. I mean, we make that. We make

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Speaker 3: this stuff up all the time, not to make it up,

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Speaker 3: but we make these analogies all the time. It seems

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Speaker 3: like the Chiefs. You get these teams that are there

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Speaker 3: all the time and you just think, okay, they're and

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Speaker 3: like the Bills are in this too, and some of

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Speaker 3: some of these other teams are too. The regular season

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Speaker 3: is like listen, just get me to the tournament and

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Speaker 3: the Chiefs, man, they they really look like that offensive

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Speaker 3: not defensively. Defensively they brought it every week, but offensively,

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Speaker 3: it's like, just get them in and let Pat figure

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Speaker 3: it out with Kelsey. And that's really what it looked

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Speaker 3: like yesterday in the championship game, they those two guys

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Speaker 3: looked way different than they've looked at any point offensively

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Speaker 3: this season.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean throw and throw out the Chiefs

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Speaker 2: on the road in the playoffs for the first time.

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Speaker 2: People were hoping that might change the dynamic.

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Speaker 3: It didn't. Maybe, I mean it might have changed it

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Speaker 3: a little for them, but you can't tell. The results

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Speaker 3: are the same. I mean, you know, they were a

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Speaker 3: different team this year than they had been. And it's

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Speaker 3: always a close game when the Bills play the Chiefs.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they just do that all the time, particularly

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Speaker 3: in the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: And Steve talked about being, you know, the ultimate decision

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Speaker 2: maker at quarterback and being a consistent one. We saw

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Speaker 2: Brock Purty do that in the Niners game. But Mahomes

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Speaker 2: now has gone six straight playoff starts without an interception.

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Speaker 2: That is also the longest streak by a quarterback in

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Speaker 2: NFL history. Playing the best defenses in football, including the

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Speaker 2: number one defense. Yesterday, he wasn't lighting them up, but

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Speaker 2: he wasn't making mistakes either. I don't know if I

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Speaker 2: can I can say I know of another quarterback since

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Speaker 2: Brady then Mahomes, who knows how to midicate risk better

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Speaker 2: than him. Brady was great at mitigating risk, so too

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Speaker 2: is Patrick Mahomes. He's just you gotta tip your hat

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Speaker 2: to the guy. He's really really good at it. When

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Speaker 2: the chips are down, man, he does not screw it up.

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Speaker 3: I'll say this too, and he doesn't screw it up.

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Speaker 3: And yet he also he's and this is why he

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Speaker 3: and Josh and Lamar and Joe Burney, they make plays

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Speaker 3: out of garbage. You know, there's a couple of times

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Speaker 3: earning that game, Mahomes like, what are you gonna any

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Speaker 3: kind of side arms? He's not even his side arms

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Speaker 3: on a loop and it's out there the guy first down,

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Speaker 3: you know, under duress, he doesn't lose his ability to

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Speaker 3: make a cool or make the right decision and execute it.

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Speaker 3: Some of these guys are like they can't think and

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Speaker 3: react at the same time, and Mahomes does that as

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Speaker 3: well as anybody you'll ever see.

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Speaker 2: Moving over to the NFC side, the Lions blow a

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Speaker 2: seventeen point lead, their largest blown lead in their playoff history,

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Speaker 2: and they've now lost twelve straight road playoff games. That

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Speaker 2: extends the longest streak of all time. People thought they

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Speaker 2: had it in the bag, including Gardner Johnson, their safety

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Speaker 2: who after the Lions went up twenty to seven. I

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Speaker 2: don't know if you caught the two second shot of

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Speaker 2: him on the sideline waving goodbye to the Niners fans

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Speaker 2: in the first half.

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Speaker 3: Did you see that? I did not see that. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, Deebo Samuel tweeted at him with the two minute

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Speaker 2: clip of him waving goodbye at twenty to seven, and

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Speaker 2: he said, someone check on my little brook.

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Speaker 3: You're going to get trolled. You're going to get trolled

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Speaker 3: for that.

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Speaker 2: Are you out of your mind waving goodbye to the

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Speaker 2: home crowd when it's twenty to seven in the first half?

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Speaker 3: What is that?

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Speaker 6: That is?

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Speaker 3: You're a moron? Hey, you want to That's bad decision making, right,

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Speaker 3: It's really bad. That'sad decision making a thirteen points not thirty. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: he's nuts. Yeah. That and this play that we saw

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Speaker 3: the play off the face mask that whenever you get

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Speaker 3: to play a game like this, We've said it. I mean,

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Speaker 3: we talked about I've talked about comebacks like for thirty

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Speaker 3: five year ever since the great comeback here in Buffalo

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Speaker 3: against the Oilers and others that have happened. It comes

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Speaker 3: up all the time. In order for that to happen,

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Speaker 3: one team has got to drop and the other team's

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Speaker 3: got to elevate, and then you've got to get those

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Speaker 3: quirky plays. That one off the face mask for the

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Speaker 3: Lions that actually really changed the entire game was huge,

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Speaker 3: And you know, that's that's what it takes to come

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Speaker 3: back from seventeen to the second half of a playoff

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Speaker 3: game against a really good football team in the Lions.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, that's you feel bad for him, And we

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Speaker 2: don't have time right now because we do have to

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Speaker 2: get to break here and we'll get our topic of

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Speaker 2: discussion out to you when we return as well. But

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Speaker 2: we've got to talk about those forced down decisions by

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Speaker 2: Dan Campbell. Obviously he's coming under a lot of fire

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Speaker 2: for them. I partially agree with him and I partially

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Speaker 2: disagree with him. Well, we'll hear what Steve has to

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Speaker 2: say about those decisions as well when we return here

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Speaker 2: on one Bill's Live presented by co Lot of Health,

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Speaker 2: It's Buffalo Bills Radio.

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Speaker 5: All right back here.

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Speaker 2: I Want Bills Live on a Monday after the AFC

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Speaker 2: and NFC Championship games have determined the two Super Bowl participants.

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Speaker 2: We do have a Bill's topic of discussion for you

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Speaker 2: today though, at eight h three zero five point fifty

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Speaker 2: one eighty eight five point fifty two five fifty what

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Speaker 2: stamp do you expect offensive coordinator Joe Brady to put

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Speaker 2: on the Bills offense heading into next season? Can let

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Speaker 2: us know open lines for you? Eight h three zero

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Speaker 2: five to fifty one eighty eight five fifty two five

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Speaker 2: fifty the number get on board. If you can't call,

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Speaker 2: hit us up on the tweetsheet at one Bill's Live,

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Speaker 2: just putting a bow on the AFC NFC Championship Game discussion. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: Dan Campbell's come under enormous fire for some of his

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Speaker 2: fourth down decisions in the second half of that football game.

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Speaker 3: And I think there are things.

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Speaker 2: To argue in his favor and things to argue against

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Speaker 2: some of the decisions that he made. Number One, this

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Speaker 2: is how he has been since he took over the Lions.

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Speaker 2: They go forward more than any other football team on

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Speaker 2: fourth down, and it's one of the main reasons they

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Speaker 2: are in the position they were yesterday going twelve and

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Speaker 2: five and getting to the NFC Title Game. It has

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Speaker 2: worked very much in their favor. I think one of

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Speaker 2: the main reasons he has done that is his defense

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Speaker 2: is not good at stopping people. It's improved somewhat, but

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Speaker 2: they still have trouble stopping opponents. They've had to rely

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Speaker 2: upon their offense. And people would say, in that situation,

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Speaker 2: that would be whove you all the more to go

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Speaker 2: for it on fourth down so you can stay on

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Speaker 2: the field longer and keep your defense, which can be

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Speaker 2: a little leaky at times, from being on the field

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Speaker 2: more so. I get all of that and the premise

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Speaker 2: for being aggressive that way. As a matter of fact,

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Speaker 2: fourth and two in the third quarter, seven minutes left

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Speaker 2: in the third I have no problem with them going

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Speaker 2: for it there.

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Speaker 3: But as Steve says, you have to execute, they did

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Speaker 3: not execute. They dropped the ball.

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Speaker 2: Now, the one fourth down that I do have a

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Speaker 2: bit of an issue with is fourth and three in

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Speaker 2: the fourth quarter with seven and a half minutes left.

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Speaker 2: Fourth and three, that's a little bit harder than fourth

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Speaker 2: and one. Fourth and two doesn't have his high probability rate,

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Speaker 2: And not for a second do I believe that Dan

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Speaker 2: Campbell subscribes to live in game probability, like for me.

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Speaker 3: I think he goes with his gut.

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Speaker 2: I don't think he contact somebody up in the booth

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Speaker 2: like Sean McDermott does and says, what's our live in

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Speaker 2: game win probability right now? On this fourth and three?

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Speaker 3: It might be it might have. He might not have

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Speaker 3: to ask for it. They may give it to him

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Speaker 3: out of out of just saying that they do it

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Speaker 3: every time. Whether he listens or not is another story.

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Speaker 3: I'm totally on board with Dan Campbell and those choices,

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Speaker 3: all of them, because here's why, and we saw the results.

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Speaker 3: He gave it to his players to win on the field.

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Speaker 3: And you said it a drop pass, a doink off,

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Speaker 3: a face mask for a reception, those kind of plays happened,

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Speaker 3: but it was on the players in the game to

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Speaker 3: do it. He wasn't coaching, so his players wouldn't make

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Speaker 3: a mistake. And that's you can't you know, that's that's

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Speaker 3: how you win. And certainly you can point say, well,

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Speaker 3: that's how you lose. Well, yeah, that those guys, it

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Speaker 3: was easy. A couple of those were just absolute bonehead drops.

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Speaker 3: I mean one of them, the one we've seen there

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Speaker 3: on the fourth and two, it would have been a

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Speaker 3: nice catch, no question, and Golf should have put it

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Speaker 3: right on his body. I get it. You gotta catch it.

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Speaker 3: And the same thing with the Bills against the Chiefs.

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Speaker 3: You gotta catch it, you gotta you gotta do it, man,

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Speaker 3: And I love a coach, and I think most players

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Speaker 3: respond to and I think there's an environment in the

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Speaker 3: in the league where put it in. Give your players

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Speaker 3: a chance to win it. Don't don't line up eight

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Speaker 3: yards deep on a third and four right as a defense,

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Speaker 3: you know, get up on them and make him play.

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Speaker 3: You gotta do that stuff. And I think in this

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Speaker 3: fourth and now I'll say this too. Yeah, you can

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Speaker 3: say what you want about the fourth down. They should

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Speaker 3: they might have should have. You're taking it for granted

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Speaker 3: that the guy makes the kicks, Yeah, you know, but

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Speaker 3: it's a forty eight yarder.

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Speaker 2: This was their practice squad kicker who got brought up

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Speaker 2: on the roster after they released Riley Patterson, who was

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Speaker 2: not consistent enough. Now badly, he's kicked in the league,

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Speaker 2: kicked for a long time for the Chargers, been a

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Speaker 2: successful kicker, and this season he is nine for eleven

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Speaker 2: on kicks between forty and forty nine yards granted more

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Speaker 2: of them have probably taken place indoors at Ford Field,

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Speaker 2: not on grass, you know, in January. But here's the

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Speaker 2: here's the part. Like the people that subscribe to the analytics,

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Speaker 2: no matter what say, Okay, your defense isn't stopping anybody,

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Speaker 2: that's more of a reason to go for it. And

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Speaker 2: I would say in most cases yes, But with seven

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Speaker 2: thirty five left, forty eight yard field goal on the

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Speaker 2: table for you to take advantage of to tie the

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Speaker 2: game at twenty seven, knowing you're probably only getting two

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Speaker 2: more possessions max.

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Speaker 3: In the game, this is an opportunity to score points.

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Speaker 2: We haven't scored any in the second half yet, so

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Speaker 2: I say I probably would have kicked it there to

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Speaker 2: at least the game. I know my defense is struggling,

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Speaker 2: so let me get points on the board. So that way,

650
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,839
Speaker 2: even if my defense gives up a touchdown, I'm still

651
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:08,879
Speaker 2: in a one score game.

652
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, and here maybe.

653
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 2: With only one more possession left for my offense to

654
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 2: go win it.

655
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 3: I'll say this too, and one of the things that

656
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 3: we rarely think about, and it just occurred to me

657
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 3: because as the game played out it became evident. So

658
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,879
Speaker 3: they they fourth down, it's a big down. You got

659
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 3: to get it offensively, but you know what, it's a

660
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 3: big down for the other team too. They get that stop,

661
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 3: their offense is let's go, and they they plow it right.

662
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 3: They allowed them right down the field because now they

663
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 3: had because you gave them the momentum with the missed opportunity.

664
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Speaker 3: So it's a It's also that side of the sword

665
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 3: that cuts deep as well, because not only are you

666
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,439
Speaker 3: giving them the field position that they wouldn't they would

667
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 3: not have had if you kicked the field goal and

668
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 3: put them cut kicked a touchback they would have gotten

669
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 3: on the twenty five. You also give them the fact

670
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 3: that they're winning now and they got the momentum.

671
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 2: You can make the argument that a missfield goal will

672
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 2: give them every bit the same amount of momentum. But

673
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 2: if you make the field goal, at least you have

674
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 2: a tie game, and if your defense is still unable

675
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 2: to stop them, you're in a one score game, not

676
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 2: a ten point game, which is what ended up happening.

677
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 3: A missed field goal isn't as emotionally shifting as a

678
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 3: fourth downstop.

679
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 2: It was a ten point game with three minutes left.

680
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 2: The game's over.

681
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 3: It's over.

682
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 2: Like, with three minutes left, you're down ten, You're not

683
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 2: getting the ball twice unless you get a miraculous on

684
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 2: sides kick, which is at its lowest percentage of success

685
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 2: rate that it's ever been.

686
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 3: Right, So yeah, to me point, you gotta kind of

687
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 3: go for it.

688
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 2: There, I look, and I'm I'm all for going for

689
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 2: it on fourth down, don't get me wrong, and early

690
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 2: in the game I'm a big proponent of that. I've

691
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 2: seen the value of it, believe me. But at the

692
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 2: end of that game, I think you really if And

693
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Speaker 2: I don't know if analytics people do this for these

694
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 2: respective or not. Maybe they do and I'm just blind

695
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 2: to it, but I'd like to think that in addition

696
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 2: to win probability on a given down and distance live

697
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 2: in game, they should also give how many possessions left

698
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 2: probability are you gonna have? Because that should have an

699
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 2: impact on your decision too. If I'm only getting the

700
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 2: ball one more time, two max, and my chances of

701
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Speaker 2: getting two possessions after this possession we have right now

702
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:31,240
Speaker 2: is like twenty percent, I'm taking the points.

703
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, when you Yes, we need a possessions left likelihood

704
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:41,879
Speaker 3: model that's all baked into the win probability. That's all

705
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 3: baked in there, and that's you know, listen, I would

706
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,720
Speaker 3: I'd be shocked if he didn't know all of that stuff.

707
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 3: I hope he did. I'm sure he did, and he listen.

708
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Speaker 3: It's not how he wants to coaches, not how he

709
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 3: wants his players to play it. That's fine, and I

710
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 3: get it. I agree with it. I don't either, not

711
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:04,800
Speaker 3: when it gets that's the point where it's you know, mathematical,

712
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 3: and you know there you you gave them the ball.

713
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 3: All it is now they're two first downs away from

714
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:17,399
Speaker 3: putting a game away and without scoring. There are two

715
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 3: first downs away from scoring without and that's why it

716
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 3: wasn't the Chiefs game Raiders. The Ravens got it to

717
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,439
Speaker 3: within a touchdown, but it was so late in the game.

718
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,839
Speaker 3: The Chiefs were one first down away and they had

719
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Speaker 3: two timeouts. It was two and a half minutes left.

720
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 3: Ravens had to use both their timeouts, and the Chiefs

721
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 3: all they needed was a first down and that's when

722
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,879
Speaker 3: they went over the top to Valdez. Scantling game over,

723
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 3: kneel down three times, you lose, that's where you're at.

724
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Speaker 3: You get you put that carrot out there in front

725
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 3: of an offense. Say, listen, you get one first down

726
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 3: here and you win. You have to score, you have

727
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 3: and you got you know, you got three downs to

728
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 3: do it. And it's you know that, that's where you

729
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 3: start in the math. They there's not enough time. I mean,

730
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Speaker 3: you're coming down to an onside kick in a championship game.

731
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Speaker 3: You got no shot. Not in this day and age.

732
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Speaker 3: It's all different now, it's all different. You can't get

733
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Speaker 3: an onside kick now unless somebody makes an idiotic, catastrophic mistake. Right.

734
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and it was the and it was you

735
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:25,919
Speaker 3: know they did, I mean they didn't. They just ran

736
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Speaker 3: out of time, ran out of possessions.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think how many possessions you have left? Analytic

738
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Speaker 2: live in game model needs to be right there with

739
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 2: the fourth down win probability model. Once you get inside

740
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Speaker 2: ten minutes left, you gotta do it right. And maybe

741
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Speaker 2: some teams do do it and I'm just naive to that,

742
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 2: but you got to count the possessions you're probably gonna

743
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Speaker 2: have left in addition to the fourth down win probability.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to the phones though, into Mitchell in Buffalo.

745
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Speaker 3: What's up, Mitchell, how you doing me good?

746
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Speaker 7: Yeah?

747
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Speaker 3: Go ahead, Now I'm not here. We're We're sorry, Mitchell.

748
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Speaker 2: Cut you loose there. Let's go to Mark in West Seneca.

749
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Speaker 2: What do you what?

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Speaker 3: What you got for us?

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00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 8: Mark?

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Speaker 9: Hey, guys, I had a call. Uh, I'm gonna preface

753
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 9: my my call today with I am not a Lamar

754
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 9: fan and I just heard a stat on a ESPN

755
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 9: not too long ago. In that game, he eighty of

756
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 9: the offensive play calls or drop back passes. They only

757
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 9: attempted to run the ball six times with running backs. Yeah, okay,

758
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Speaker 9: And what that tells me is this guy that the

759
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 9: national media wants to promote every single day as an

760
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 9: elite quarterback in the same group as who Deleased. The

761
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 9: elites are who we know they are, wasn't able to

762
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Speaker 9: get it done. He had to ball in his hands

763
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Speaker 9: constantly to either throw it or run, and he could

764
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 9: not get it done. Lamar has continually showed us who

765
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Speaker 9: he is in the playoffs, and he did ten points.

766
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Speaker 9: He scored ten points on his home field in the

767
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 9: conference championship game. Okay, when Josh scored ten points against

768
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Speaker 9: Cincinnati at home in a divisional playoff game, they cut

769
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,760
Speaker 9: his pedestal down so fast he hit the ground flying,

770
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 9: and it's going to be really interesting to see if

771
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 9: they criticize Lamar for his play or if they make

772
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 9: excuses every day as to why they were not successful.

773
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Speaker 9: So I believe he's a running back who plays quarterback.

774
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Speaker 9: Great athlete, no doubt about it. He's amazing with the

775
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 9: ball in his hands. He is not a quarterback. He

776
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 9: is not a guy who's going to read defenses and

777
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Speaker 9: put the ball where it needs to be. So that's

778
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Speaker 9: all I had to say about that, and it's quickly

779
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 9: on Joe Brady. I think Joe's going to make it

780
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 9: a what he started to show quite a bit, a

781
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 9: lot of motion, a lot of different personnel packages, with

782
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 9: guys being put in positions that they typically have not been.

783
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 9: And I think he's seemed to do a lot to

784
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 9: scheme guys open a lot more than we see in

785
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 9: quite a while. Have a great day, guys.

786
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Speaker 3: All right, Thanks Mark, appreciate the input there.

787
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if I would go as far

788
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,839
Speaker 2: as Mark did, but I think Lamar has kind of

789
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 2: demonstrated some of the limitations that opposing defenses have taken advantage.

790
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,720
Speaker 2: Now his offensive coordinator didn't help him yesterday, in my estimation,

791
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 2: having him drop back on eighty two percent of the plays.

792
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,760
Speaker 2: They got to run the ball more. Now, and Kansas

793
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 2: City is not great at stopping the run. Now, they

794
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,800
Speaker 2: were very good at stopping the Bills running the football.

795
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 2: Traditional running I'm talking about, not Josh runs, you know,

796
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 2: off scrambles and stuff. But James Cook was kind of

797
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 2: kept under wraps two weeks ago. They did a good

798
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 2: job in the run front there. Maybe that dissuaded Todd

799
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 2: Monkin from going that route yesterday. But man, you're in

800
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 2: a tight game, what was it, seventeen to seven, it's

801
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 2: ten point game, you know, before the half, and you've

802
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 2: had plenty of time to run the football. They chose

803
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 2: not to do it. I was surprised.

804
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:15,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Chiefs. The weakness of the Chiefs defense has

805
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,760
Speaker 3: been the run game. I mean, the Bills took advantage

806
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 3: of it even without Josh's running. The Bills rushed for

807
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 3: one hundred and twelve yards on twenty on thirty three carries,

808
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 3: and they had a six point eighty five a clip.

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00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 2: Ravens ran it sixteen times yesterday and that's counting counting

810
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 2: Lamar scrambles.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't get that. I don't get

812
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 3: that approach. And you know, to Mark's point, yes, Lamar

813
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 3: is getting hammered today for the way he played yesterday,

814
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 3: as you would expect, and he could have played out.

815
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 3: He could have played great and they lost and he'd

816
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 3: still get hammered. That's the way life is these days.

817
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 3: But he didn't play his best game. They didn't look

818
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 3: good doing it offensively. It was their game plan. Like

819
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 3: you said, they led the league in rushing and didn't rush.

820
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 3: So I don't get that. That's not I don't know

821
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 3: if that's Lamar, though, I think that's has more to

822
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 3: do with the play selection. Eighty two percent is a

823
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:15,399
Speaker 3: big number.

824
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got to take a break here. When we

825
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 2: come back, more of your phone calls. We've also got

826
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 2: NFL on CBS sideline reporter Evan Washburn, who was at

827
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:28,399
Speaker 2: that Ravens Chiefs game yesterday, coming up in hour number

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Speaker 2: two of the show, So be sure to stay tuned

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Speaker 2: for that. All coming your way here on One Bill's Live,

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Speaker 2: presented by Colida Health. It's Buffalo Bills Radio. All right

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Speaker 2: back here on One Bill's Live. You're gonna squeze in

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Speaker 2: a couple of phone calls here before the top of

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Speaker 2: the hour, we go to Kevin and Hamburg.

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Speaker 3: First, what do you got for us? Kevin?

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Speaker 10: Hi, how you do it?

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Speaker 3: Good?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 10: Good? I want to tell you. I want to share

839
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Speaker 10: a fun about the Niners and the Super Bowl history

840
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 10: or franchise history. How's that?

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Speaker 3: Sure? Sure?

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00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 10: Okay? If the Niners are in their eight super Bowl

843
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 10: of all time, right, yep, okay, if they win, they'll

844
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 10: be tied with the Steelers six and two all time.

845
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 10: Of course, four in the seventies with land or Mean,

846
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 10: Joe Green and them, and of course two with Ben Roethlisberger.

847
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Speaker 10: And of course the three losses or the two losses

848
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Speaker 10: to Dallas and the Packers. But if they lose, they'll

849
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 10: be tied with another franchise, the Dallas Cowboys at five

850
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 10: and three, you know, the two wins with Tom Landry,

851
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 10: two with Jimmy and then one with Berry's twitzer. And

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00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 10: I think that ironic that their win or lose will

853
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 10: be tied with two franchises the legendary for the two

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00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 10: of the best Super Bowls in history, super Bowl ten

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Speaker 10: and thirteen, which of course the Steelers won barely yeah,

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Speaker 10: if I wanted to share that fun back with you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for doing that, Kevin. It's an interesting history

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00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 2: for the Niners. One of the more successful franchises in

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00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 2: getting there and one of the more successful franchises and

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00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 2: winning the thing. There is no denying that whatsoever. And

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Speaker 2: if they do win, you're right, they will tie the

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00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 2: Steelers for most Super Bowl titles.

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Speaker 3: In league history.

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Speaker 2: To rich In Tanawanda next, what's up rich Hello.

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Speaker 11: Hi, guys, I wanted to maybe explain my theory on

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Speaker 11: why they didn't try an on side kick at the

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Speaker 11: end of that game with about two minutes left. To me,

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Speaker 11: it's they're basically they have a chance of getting the ball.

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Speaker 11: If they fail, they have the same opportunity they have

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Speaker 11: to stop the other team in three downs. Either they

871
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Speaker 11: kick it to the end zone and they have three

872
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Speaker 11: chances to stop them, or the game's over, and the

873
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Speaker 11: same thing applies if they try an onside pick. Of course,

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Speaker 11: of course it's very limited chanswers, but to me, the

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Speaker 11: only thing they're sacrificing is about twenty five yards of

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Speaker 11: field position, and either way, they only if the other

877
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Speaker 11: team if they give a first down, the game's over.

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Speaker 11: Either which way right, at least if you try an

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Speaker 11: on side kick, you have a chance.

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Speaker 2: I wasn't arguing the decision to go with the on sidekick.

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Speaker 2: I was saying the chances are very low, which they are,

882
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Speaker 2: and that's what you're reduced to. Was the point I

883
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Speaker 2: was trying to make by not kicking the field goal

884
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Speaker 2: with seven and a half minutes left on the fourth

885
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Speaker 2: and three, I was just of the opinion that late

886
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Speaker 2: in the game, knowing you're probably only going to get

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Speaker 2: the ball one more time, maybe two if you're lucky,

888
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Speaker 2: and as it turned out, they only got it one

889
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Speaker 2: more time, you got to take the points there, tie

890
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Speaker 2: the game, knowing your defense is not stopping them. You

891
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Speaker 2: at least if you give up a touchdown on the

892
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Speaker 2: ensuing possession, it's still a one score game and you

893
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Speaker 2: have the possession to go tie it, win it with

894
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Speaker 2: a touchdown and a two point convert.

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Speaker 3: The way I'm seeing it is the on side kick

896
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Speaker 3: is a direct result of not kicking the field goal,

897
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Speaker 3: because then just you're forced to. Yeah, you had to

898
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Speaker 3: then because of everything that happened. If you kick the

899
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Speaker 3: field goal, you still get the same and then kick

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Speaker 3: it deep like you said, you gain the field position.

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Speaker 3: San Francisco is you know, they got to play, you know,

902
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Speaker 3: and he gives you a chance. So yeah, I'm yeah,

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Speaker 3: Brownie was saying something different than I think you thought

904
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Speaker 3: he was saying.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's and the percentages are even lower now.

906
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Speaker 2: So the recovery rate up until twenty eighteen before they

907
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Speaker 2: move the kickoff line, yeah, was thirteen and a half percent.

908
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Speaker 3: That's not bad.

909
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Speaker 2: But now since then five point six percent. It is

910
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Speaker 2: really low.

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Speaker 3: So and I'll say this too, that the five point

912
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Speaker 3: six per it happens because team you can't surprise, you know.

913
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Speaker 3: The only time you get is when you surprise on side.

914
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Speaker 2: Now like Sean Payton in the second half of the

915
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Speaker 2: Super Bowl in twenty twelve.

916
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Speaker 3: For example.

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Speaker 7: That's right.

918
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Speaker 3: You do it as a surprise when it's not really expected,

919
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Speaker 3: not like it was yesterday with the Detroit Yeah San

920
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Speaker 3: Francisco game.

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Speaker 2: Break time for us here when we come back NFL

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Speaker 2: on CBS sideline reporter Evan Washburn, who was sidelines yesterday

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Speaker 2: for Ravens Chiefs AFC title game. We'll catch up with

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Speaker 2: him get some of his thoughts from his vantage point

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Speaker 2: yesterday here on One Bill's Live presented by Kilidea Health.

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Speaker 2: It's Buffalo Bill's.

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Speaker 1: Radio The One Bills Live, presented by Calledlida.

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Speaker 3: Help.

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Speaker 2: All right, here we are our number two Chris Brown,

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Speaker 2: Steve Tasker on a Monday and please to welcome in

931
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Speaker 2: now NFL on CBS sideline reporter Evan Washburn hard at

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Speaker 2: work yesterday at the AFC Title Game one, as we

933
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Speaker 2: know by the Chiefs, who are headed back to yet

934
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Speaker 2: another Super Bowl after Lamar Jackson and the Ravens kind

935
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Speaker 2: of committed some costly mistakes down the stretch.

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Speaker 3: There.

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Speaker 2: There was some questionable play calling by a certain offensive

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Speaker 2: coordinator as well.

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Speaker 3: We can get into all of that with Evan.

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Speaker 2: But Evan, the first one I want to pitch to

941
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Speaker 2: you is the thing that I pitched after the Chiefs

942
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Speaker 2: dispatch to the Bills in the divisional round. This is

943
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Speaker 2: not just a Bill's problem in the AFC getting past

944
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Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes, who I compared to Michael Jordan. He is

945
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Speaker 2: the Michael Jordan of the AFC. You cannot beat the

946
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Speaker 2: guy when the chips are down. What do you think

947
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Speaker 2: of that analogy? Too early in his career or I

948
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Speaker 2: mean because he's I mean, he's certainly proving it supremely

949
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Speaker 2: difficult to get past this guy in the playoffs. On

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Speaker 2: the AFC side of things.

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Speaker 6: Oh, Chris, I think it works, but I'll keep it

952
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Speaker 6: in football. I mean, to me, he's Tom Brady two

953
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Speaker 6: point oh. This is New England two point zero. They

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Speaker 6: find ways to win when they're not at their best.

955
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Speaker 6: They are able to or he Mahomes that is, is

956
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Speaker 6: able to elevate teams that maybe don't have the personnel

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Speaker 6: of previous years. They have a defense this year that

958
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Speaker 6: I know, you guys know is special. We saw that

959
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Speaker 6: on display yesterday and how they frustrated Lamar and company.

960
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Speaker 6: But I know it's reckless, it's probably prisoner of the moment.

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Speaker 6: But after seeing what Mahomes has done this year, if

962
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Speaker 6: he can close this out in Vegas, he is very

963
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Speaker 6: much on his way to in my mind, supplanting Brady

964
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Speaker 6: in that where they called goat position one position whatever

965
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Speaker 6: it might be. What seemed like a crazy thing to

966
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Speaker 6: say just two seasons ago, maybe now to me is

967
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Speaker 6: starting to feel more realistic. Yes, is the way he's

968
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Speaker 6: won with this team.

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Speaker 3: That's right, six straight AFC you Championship games, headed to

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Speaker 3: his fourth Super Bowl. He also and you think this

971
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Speaker 3: stretch of six years where he's put together such enormous numbers,

972
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Speaker 3: And I was looking at there's a couple of ways

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Speaker 3: to look at this, goat conversation between Pat Mahomes and

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Speaker 3: Tom Brady and all of the stuff that goes on. Certainly,

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Speaker 3: I don't know that Tom Brady ever reached a zenith

976
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Speaker 3: like the one we're seeing from Mahomes where he's just

977
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Speaker 3: got these individual numbers that are just eye popping.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 3: Certainly Brady won one game after game after game, no

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Speaker 3: question about it. But to have the kind of numbers

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Speaker 3: that Holmes is having offensively throughout these last four or

982
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Speaker 3: five six years, Brady I really never reached those heights statistically.

983
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Speaker 3: And then but if you look at the other side

984
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Speaker 3: of it, Brady man six years or seven years into

985
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Speaker 3: his career, his story had yet to be written. It

986
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Speaker 3: was still going to go way beyond right. So I

987
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Speaker 3: think there're two different guys, both of which are in

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Speaker 3: the same conversation.

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Speaker 6: It's a great point, Steve, in the way I've thought

990
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Speaker 6: about it. I think Mahomes is so far ahead of

991
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Speaker 6: Brady right now at this point in his career as

992
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Speaker 6: to where Brady was at this point in his career,

993
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Speaker 6: and I'm sure you could match the numbers up and

994
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Speaker 6: we've all seen those full screens, but he's just more

995
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Speaker 6: physically gifted. He's able to do things as a quarterback

996
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Speaker 6: that Brady couldn't do. At this point. The key for

997
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Speaker 6: Patrick will be does he have that second and you

998
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Speaker 6: could argue third act that Tom had and that was

999
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Speaker 6: rooted in Tom's ability to sustain his health late into

1000
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Speaker 6: his thirties and then early forties, and we saw that

1001
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Speaker 6: with his commitments appliability and diet and health and all

1002
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Speaker 6: those things. We're starting to see Mahomes drop sort of

1003
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Speaker 6: easter eggs that he's thinking about that, and he references

1004
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Speaker 6: Tom in a lot of ways. But the commitment necessary

1005
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Speaker 6: physically that he's going to face, not this year, next year,

1006
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Speaker 6: even in the next couple of years. He's still only

1007
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Speaker 6: twenty eight years old. But when he hits thirty four

1008
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Speaker 6: to thirty five, will he be able to do what

1009
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Speaker 6: Tom did, which was really elevate his game. But if

1010
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Speaker 6: nothing else, just remain available for seventeen weeks to pile

1011
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Speaker 6: up the wins, to pile up the numbers, and most importantly,

1012
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Speaker 6: get those Super Bowls. That's where it'll get interesting, because

1013
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:42,400
Speaker 6: right now Patrick is way ahead of Tom in terms

1014
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Speaker 6: of his ability to produce and play the quarterback position

1015
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Speaker 6: at an elite level as opposed to where Tom was

1016
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Speaker 6: at this point in his career.

1017
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Speaker 2: And taking that to the coaching sidelines, you know, I

1018
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Speaker 2: know Andy Reid is only looking for what is this

1019
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 2: is be his third Super Bowl title if he can

1020
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 2: win it, so he still would only have half the

1021
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Speaker 2: number of Belichick.

1022
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Speaker 3: I gotta tell you, though, you take.

1023
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Speaker 2: Out Mahomes record from Andy Reid's one loss record, and

1024
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Speaker 2: you take Brady's one loss record away from Belichick, Andy

1025
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Speaker 2: Reid blows Bill Belichick out of the water in terms

1026
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Speaker 2: of one loss record, conference titles, all of that stuff.

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Speaker 2: How much further does Andy have to go before he

1028
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Speaker 2: ventures into those waters and gets put up with those

1029
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Speaker 2: names like Shula and Belichick.

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Speaker 6: That's an interesting conversation, Chris. I would say, Look, if

1031
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Speaker 6: he wins this one this year and so he picks

1032
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Speaker 6: up his third, I think he puts himself in that.

1033
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Speaker 12: Group or hovering around whatever proverbial group you have. I

1034
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Speaker 12: find the Read Belichick discussion in terms of kind of

1035
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Speaker 12: overall coaching resume much different than the Mahomes Brady one.

1036
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Speaker 12: And I'm sure again as you laid out, there's ways

1037
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Speaker 12: you could make those points. Just look at Bill once

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Speaker 12: he stepped foot in New England to what he left

1039
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Speaker 12: obviously this year as something that there's no chance for

1040
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Speaker 12: Reid at this point in his career to replicate.

1041
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the length of production and ten Super Bowls

1042
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Speaker 3: with the one t. Yeah, it's just it's kind of

1043
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Speaker 3: similar to the brain, the abhorren thing.

1044
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Speaker 6: Right, you know, it's just the consistency, the level of consistency.

1045
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Speaker 6: And it's not to say Reid couldn't do it, but

1046
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Speaker 6: it's just he's behind the eight ball when it comes

1047
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Speaker 6: to where he is in his career once he got

1048
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Speaker 6: this quarterback named Mahomes.

1049
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Speaker 3: Give us a little insight as what your observations were

1050
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Speaker 3: about the AFC Championship game yesterday, Lamar Patrick and the

1051
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Speaker 3: way that game unfolded.

1052
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Speaker 6: So we've obviously touched on Mahomes and what they did

1053
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Speaker 6: was impressive, really defensively, what Steve Spagnolo, he won't get

1054
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Speaker 6: enough credit. So every time I'm doing one of these,

1055
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Speaker 6: and I'm sure you guys are seeing it too, I

1056
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Speaker 6: think we need to mention how he's put his stamp

1057
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Speaker 6: on this defense. Now, Brett Veach has built this defense

1058
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 6: through the draft. But the takeaway has to be what

1059
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Speaker 6: happened to the Ravens specifically offensively, because I think they

1060
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Speaker 6: played well enough defensively to win this game. And Steve,

1061
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Speaker 6: I know you've obviously played at the highest level, but

1062
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Speaker 6: you've been in my position where you're on the sideline

1063
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Speaker 6: and you try to pick up on things, but you

1064
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Speaker 6: also don't want to be overly dramatic or think something

1065
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Speaker 6: is bigger than it is. And now it's easy for

1066
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 6: me to say this, but the first play of the

1067
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Speaker 6: game offensively for the Ravens, there was an odd feel

1068
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Speaker 6: to it. I know it was a handoff. I think

1069
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Speaker 6: to Justice Hill. It wasn't so much that there wasn't

1070
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Speaker 6: production on the play, but the speed in which it

1071
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Speaker 6: unfolded that there just seemed to be something off. And

1072
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Speaker 6: then you kind of felt that that first drive and

1073
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Speaker 6: in the moment I go oh, that wasn't a great

1074
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Speaker 6: way to start the game.

1075
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Speaker 4: That's obvious. It was three and out.

1076
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Speaker 6: But then outside of the big play to Zay on

1077
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Speaker 6: the field, which I felt was going to open things up,

1078
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Speaker 6: it just felt like throughout the game. I know there's

1079
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Speaker 6: plenty of discussions about play calling, and I'm happy to

1080
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Speaker 6: get into that too, but it just felt like a

1081
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 6: game where they were gripping it so tight offensively, and

1082
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 6: for the first time all season, it felt like they

1083
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 6: didn't want to make a mistake, so that impacted their decisions,

1084
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 6: and then it kind of all trickled down from there.

1085
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 6: So it was really, Steve one of those ones. And Chris,

1086
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:24,440
Speaker 6: you've probably been on sidelines two before. You kind of

1087
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 6: felt it in the moment, like something's off here. You

1088
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 6: felt it early, and then they never really recovered.

1089
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I know that Todd Monkins come under fire

1090
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 2: for his choice to go pass heavy in this game,

1091
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 2: which you know, if you think about it, if there

1092
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 2: was one perceived soft underbelly of this Chiefs defense, it's

1093
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 2: the fact that they were eighteenth against the run this

1094
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 2: year and twenty fourth in yards per carry average against.

1095
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 2: I mean, they weren't juggernauts in that one category. I

1096
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 2: know they did a good job of plugging up the

1097
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 2: run against the Bills in the divisional playoff, and maybe

1098
00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 2: that played on Todd Monkins's game planning decisions when he's

1099
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 2: that tape, you know, in the week leading up to

1100
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:06,120
Speaker 2: the game, but I only really remember, and this is

1101
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 2: just off the top of my head, maybe two designed

1102
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 2: runs for Lamar.

1103
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 3: In the game.

1104
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 2: He has eight total carries, so that means six scrambles.

1105
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 2: And even with those six scrambles, they only ran it

1106
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 2: sixteen times. That seems like a surprisingly low number for

1107
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 2: a Ravens team that, yes, through the ball more this

1108
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 2: year under Monkin, but not to this degree.

1109
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 6: Right, So, I've spent as I'm sure plenty of people

1110
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 6: that covered the game or interested in the game, a

1111
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 6: lot of time over the last whatever it's been twelve hours,

1112
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 6: close to twenty four hours thinking about, Okay, how did

1113
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 6: this unfold this way? What's the why here? Because we

1114
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 6: haven't heard from Todd and I really I believe he's

1115
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 6: one of the best coordinators in the game this season.

1116
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 6: What he did with this offense, with this passing game,

1117
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:57,400
Speaker 6: deserves some credit. So I'm not going to say, based

1118
01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 6: off of one performance from his unit that it's an

1119
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 6: indictment on the way he kind of handled things. The

1120
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 6: only thing I can think of as to the why,

1121
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 6: and it goes back to Mahomes and we saw this

1122
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 6: with Brady at their peak and any I mean, I'm

1123
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 6: sure you guys have seen it with Josh and the

1124
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 6: Bills when they're humming. It impacts your decision and I

1125
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 6: think it takes you out of your character or your

1126
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:24,960
Speaker 6: identity offensively because you think you have to chase what

1127
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 6: Mahomes and that offense is going to do. On the

1128
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:30,520
Speaker 6: other side where that runs into an issue when it

1129
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 6: comes to the game yesterday, they weren't scoring. Mahomes while

1130
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 6: he played well, I thought he kind of dictated the

1131
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 6: terms of that game. He played with immense poise and timing,

1132
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:43,959
Speaker 6: and then he and Kelsey did their thing. They didn't

1133
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 6: score in the second half. I mean the Ravens defense

1134
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:49,120
Speaker 6: again did everything they needed to do. So while I

1135
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 6: think it could have impacted the decision to have more

1136
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:54,200
Speaker 6: of a drop back passing game, thinking you got to

1137
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:58,440
Speaker 6: go back and forth to Homes with Mahomes, the score

1138
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 6: disparity and the scoring just doesn't match up with that.

1139
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:03,200
Speaker 4: So it's puzzling for sure.

1140
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 3: What do you think going forward to the Kansasity Chiefs

1141
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 3: looking down the barrel at San Francisco in Vegas. Certainly

1142
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:14,920
Speaker 3: you know these two teams met just a few years ago,

1143
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:20,160
Speaker 3: same two head coaches, right that, what bearing does that

1144
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 3: have coming into this one? And how do you think

1145
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:23,919
Speaker 3: this game will be different than the one we saw?

1146
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:25,920
Speaker 4: I don't think it has.

1147
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 6: Steve any bearing on the game outside of for Kyle

1148
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:32,360
Speaker 6: Shanahan and similar he almost I think of him as

1149
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 6: a version of Lamar on the sideline. All he needs

1150
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 6: is a super Bowl. All Kyle Shanahan needs to sort

1151
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:41,440
Speaker 6: of put a stamp on him being one of the

1152
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 6: best doing it right now because everybody loves his scheme.

1153
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 6: You see the production, what he's done with Rock Purdy, really,

1154
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 6: what he's done with anybody who's been under center or

1155
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 6: playing any position in that offense, and how he's along

1156
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:55,480
Speaker 6: with John Lynch, built out that organization of that culture.

1157
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 6: He needs a super Bowl and he's been in moments

1158
01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 6: where he's had an opportunity. They were up on this

1159
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 6: team late in Miami a few years ago. Granted it

1160
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:05,439
Speaker 6: would have been as a coordinator in Atlanta, but he's

1161
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:08,120
Speaker 6: got that on his resume, similar to Lamar. I mean,

1162
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 6: all Lamar needs right now as a super Bowl. That pressure,

1163
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 6: that weight, that to me is something that you can

1164
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 6: take from the twenty nineteen meeting as something that will

1165
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 6: be a storyline in this one. Outside of that, two

1166
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:21,440
Speaker 6: very different teams. Obviously, Kansas City's got a lot of

1167
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:24,960
Speaker 6: their key pieces. San Francisco outside of Kittle and Debo

1168
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:27,240
Speaker 6: and a couple other guys.

1169
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:27,440
Speaker 3: Not so much.

1170
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 6: But after Sunday and I had seen Kansas City early

1171
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 6: in the year when they were kind of building out

1172
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 6: this defense, and then what we saw yesterday against the Ravens,

1173
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 6: and I'll mention his name again with Spagnolo has done.

1174
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:43,440
Speaker 6: I can't wait to see that match up the high

1175
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:47,920
Speaker 6: octane machine, the offense that is San Francisco matched up

1176
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:51,360
Speaker 6: with what the Chiefs have built defensively. To me, as

1177
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 6: much as this will be about the quarterbacks and Mahomes,

1178
01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:56,479
Speaker 6: that to me is worth the price of admission right there.

1179
01:03:56,640 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm very curious to see what Kyle Shanahan does,

1180
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:04,400
Speaker 2: knowing that his team offensively anyway, has gotten off to

1181
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 2: two very slow starts in each of their two playoff games,

1182
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:10,160
Speaker 2: and that's not a game you want to play with

1183
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:14,360
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes on the other sideline. So I'm really curious

1184
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:16,640
Speaker 2: to see what he comes up with to get his

1185
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:17,920
Speaker 2: team off to a better start.

1186
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 3: Now, look, Purty's been great.

1187
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 2: I mean, in eight of the ten drives that his

1188
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:24,320
Speaker 2: team has been down, he's put points on the board.

1189
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 2: He's been fantastic when he plays better when they're behind,

1190
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:30,000
Speaker 2: it seems. But I can't imagine that's a game that

1191
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:32,160
Speaker 2: Shanahan wants to play in the biggest game of the year.

1192
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:35,920
Speaker 6: No, I would agree, But man, look at what they

1193
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:37,600
Speaker 6: did in the start of the third quarter.

1194
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:39,800
Speaker 4: I mean they erase seventeen points.

1195
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 6: Granted, I think the Lions defense is nothing in comparison

1196
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:45,760
Speaker 6: to Kansas City, but the way that they can score quickly,

1197
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:48,959
Speaker 6: and I also think about the fact, and you guys

1198
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:51,880
Speaker 6: both know that Steve to the highest degree. Super Bowls

1199
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 6: are long. Man, They're long games. They're like three games

1200
01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:58,280
Speaker 6: within a game. Not just because they extended breaks and

1201
01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 6: halftime and all that stuff. Everything just feels like there's

1202
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:05,880
Speaker 6: more time to have different swings and momentums. So while

1203
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:08,160
Speaker 6: I agree a fast start, it would be would be

1204
01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 6: important for Shanahan and the Niners also to kind of

1205
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 6: put away maybe some of that anxiety and stress of

1206
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:20,800
Speaker 6: previous history of failures. But I think they've shown they

1207
01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:24,400
Speaker 6: can quickly shift and flip a script of a game.

1208
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, no question. And I think if you look at

1209
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:29,800
Speaker 3: the two defenses, I mean, as much as the forty

1210
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 3: nine ers have leaned on that defense, they got a

1211
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:35,800
Speaker 3: stellar roster back there. It's almost like this Chiefs defense

1212
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 3: is really the engine about this game, right. I mean

1213
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:41,720
Speaker 3: that Rock Purty's going to be a fort Can he

1214
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:43,040
Speaker 3: be a force? Can he get it to all the

1215
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:45,320
Speaker 3: weapons that they need to Can they put a blanket

1216
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:50,040
Speaker 3: over Deebo Samuel and Christian McCaffrey. What will be their philosophy?

1217
01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:54,000
Speaker 3: What kind of game plan? You know is usually say, hey, well,

1218
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:55,760
Speaker 3: if we take away the run, then do whatever we want,

1219
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:57,240
Speaker 3: or if you take away this guy, you can do

1220
01:05:57,240 --> 01:06:00,280
Speaker 3: whatever you want. The Niners present a too many problem

1221
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 3: to make generalized statements about what your defensive game plan

1222
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:06,920
Speaker 3: would be. What are your thoughts about where Kansas City begins?

1223
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:10,560
Speaker 6: Absolutely, and you guys touched on it. And it's one

1224
01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:13,480
Speaker 6: of the things that's frustrating fans here in Baltimore that

1225
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:17,280
Speaker 6: they did show vulnerability against the run and it didn't

1226
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:20,160
Speaker 6: appear that the Ravens looked to exploit that yesterday. I

1227
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:23,200
Speaker 6: don't think that'll be the situation that Kyle Shanahan has

1228
01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:27,200
Speaker 6: any issue trying to exploit, and I think everything with

1229
01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:29,000
Speaker 6: San Francisco starts with McCaffrey.

1230
01:06:29,040 --> 01:06:30,640
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't have a vote.

1231
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:33,800
Speaker 6: We did some CBS Sports dot Com voting for awards.

1232
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:37,520
Speaker 6: He was my Offensive Player of the Year, especially because

1233
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 6: it sometimes feels like you need to go away from

1234
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 6: whoever won MVP for that award. I just think his

1235
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:45,920
Speaker 6: overall production and his importance to what they do there,

1236
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:48,760
Speaker 6: I think it starts with him. So if you're Kansas City,

1237
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:51,320
Speaker 6: you have to be at your best against the run

1238
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:55,160
Speaker 6: and slowing down McCaffrey because everything seems to hinge off

1239
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 6: of that. And once they get that thing and he doesn't.

1240
01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:01,520
Speaker 6: The beauty of San Francisco system too. They don't get

1241
01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:05,240
Speaker 6: frustrated if he's going at one, two, three yards a

1242
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:08,920
Speaker 6: clip for the first because he'll pop. They are so

1243
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 6: I don't want to say stubborn because it's a positive.

1244
01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:15,000
Speaker 6: I mean they are determined to continue to feed him

1245
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:17,240
Speaker 6: the ball because they know and he's proven it. He

1246
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:20,080
Speaker 6: did it yesterday. He'll have one that'll pop for thirty

1247
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:22,880
Speaker 6: or forty yards at some point. And then again, whether

1248
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:26,480
Speaker 6: it's Debo or the things they do with Ayuk or Kittle.

1249
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 6: Everything kind of starts there. So if you're Kansas City

1250
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:33,480
Speaker 6: priority number one, it sounds basic, but is find a

1251
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:36,640
Speaker 6: way to limit McCaffrey in the run game in his

1252
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:40,200
Speaker 6: specific area of the run game as much and as

1253
01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:40,960
Speaker 6: often as you can.

1254
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:44,040
Speaker 2: All right, Evan, we know the NFL on CBS will

1255
01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:47,280
Speaker 2: have Super Bowl fifty eight in a couple of weeks

1256
01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:51,000
Speaker 2: here from Las Vegas. Are you on assignment? Where where

1257
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:52,280
Speaker 2: should we expect to see you?

1258
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:56,840
Speaker 6: I will be on the forty nine ers sideline for

1259
01:07:56,960 --> 01:08:01,280
Speaker 6: this game with the with the crew with him, Tony, Tracy,

1260
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:05,240
Speaker 6: Jay and Jane. I like that we have as deep

1261
01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:08,280
Speaker 6: a roster as you'll get for for these big games,

1262
01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 6: and I'm looking forward to it.

1263
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:10,440
Speaker 5: Uh.

1264
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:13,280
Speaker 6: It was it was interesting to kind of play out

1265
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:15,920
Speaker 6: the potential matchups that we could have, whether it was

1266
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:19,559
Speaker 6: going to be a Baltimore Detroit game or I can't

1267
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:22,479
Speaker 6: Sydney to Troy, all the all the versions. But as

1268
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:25,599
Speaker 6: often is the case, once the two teams are set,

1269
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:27,840
Speaker 6: you kind of feel like, man, all right, we got

1270
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:29,799
Speaker 6: a big game. It's a good one. Look, it's always

1271
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:32,479
Speaker 6: a big game once you hit this spot. But because

1272
01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:34,920
Speaker 6: of the history, because as you and I are the

1273
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:37,000
Speaker 6: three of us are breaking this one down. There's a

1274
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:39,280
Speaker 6: lot to chew on, So I think it'll be good

1275
01:08:39,320 --> 01:08:43,360
Speaker 6: and and I'm curious to see how how Vegas, UH

1276
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:46,280
Speaker 6: presents as as a stage for this because it's a

1277
01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:48,080
Speaker 6: big event town and there's no bigger event.

1278
01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:50,519
Speaker 3: Absolutely, it'll be fun to watch, have fun. When do

1279
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:53,040
Speaker 3: you guys? You guys head out like this next weekend

1280
01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:55,880
Speaker 3: during the Pro Bowl stuff and get there and then yeah, you.

1281
01:08:55,840 --> 01:08:59,720
Speaker 13: Know this game, Yeah, it's it's It makes for a

1282
01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:02,559
Speaker 13: long week because, as you know, for most of these

1283
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:06,360
Speaker 13: deals will fly in Friday and you're in the town

1284
01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:08,880
Speaker 13: of the game Friday, Saturday, and then game Sunday and

1285
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:09,360
Speaker 13: then you're out.

1286
01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:11,960
Speaker 4: So it's very much kind of get in, get your

1287
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:13,439
Speaker 4: work done, and hit the road.

1288
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:16,599
Speaker 6: But we'll get in Sunday basically a week out from

1289
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:20,120
Speaker 6: the game, and you're there for a lot of the

1290
01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:22,680
Speaker 6: festivities and that part's cool. And then you do meet

1291
01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:25,960
Speaker 6: like everything's drawn out during Super Week and the team's

1292
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:30,120
Speaker 6: face it again you lived it. But it's this will

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Speaker 6: be my fourth, yeah, my fourth Super Bowl at CBS,

1294
01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:36,680
Speaker 6: and I've learned you really do, like the players say,

1295
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 6: you have to pace yourself because you can get to

1296
01:09:39,400 --> 01:09:42,920
Speaker 6: Thursday and think I don't have anything left, Like I'm

1297
01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:45,280
Speaker 6: saying up too late, getting up too early.

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Speaker 4: It's it's a lot. So I feel like I'm vet

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01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:49,080
Speaker 4: at this point.

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Speaker 2: So I'm excited for Yeah, and the one thing you

1301
01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:54,120
Speaker 2: won't have to worry about is weather, So enjoy that

1302
01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:57,040
Speaker 2: being in a Legion stadium. There have a blast out

1303
01:09:57,040 --> 01:09:59,360
Speaker 2: there in Vegas. We'll catch up with you down the

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01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:01,200
Speaker 2: line here in the ar season. Evan, thanks for that time.

1305
01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:02,680
Speaker 3: Vin appreciate it. You got it.

1306
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:03,519
Speaker 4: Guy's gonna be with.

1307
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:03,880
Speaker 3: It all right.

1308
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:06,840
Speaker 2: That's Evan Washburn, NFL on CBS sideline reporter. As you

1309
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:09,760
Speaker 2: heard right there. He will be on the Niners sideline

1310
01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:14,559
Speaker 2: for Super Bowl fifty eight. Cool gig an assignment. This

1311
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:16,080
Speaker 2: guy to my left's done before.

1312
01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:19,040
Speaker 3: I had the Niners sideline in New Orleans. Yeah, when

1313
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:21,200
Speaker 3: the lights went out, you having the light against Baltimore,

1314
01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:23,679
Speaker 3: so we almost had a repeat of that Super Bowl.

1315
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:26,919
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure the lights is stay on and allegiance.

1316
01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:30,720
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's this. You get to a point in

1317
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 3: history and you get to a certain I don't know,

1318
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:36,880
Speaker 3: mile marker in your life and some of these Super

1319
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:40,320
Speaker 3: Bowls start to, you know, you start to revisit them. Yeah,

1320
01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:41,920
Speaker 3: you know, that is crazy.

1321
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:44,000
Speaker 2: I hadn't thought of that because people were like, oh, yeah,

1322
01:10:44,120 --> 01:10:48,000
Speaker 2: Niners Chiefs, that happened four years ago, and I didn't

1323
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:50,000
Speaker 2: really give much thought to the fat Ball Bowl.

1324
01:10:50,240 --> 01:10:50,479
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1325
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:52,639
Speaker 2: I hadn't really given much thought to the fact that, yeah,

1326
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:55,240
Speaker 2: you know what, the Niners in the Ravens tangled not

1327
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:58,679
Speaker 2: too long ago either. Twenty was that twenty thirteen, fourteen?

1328
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:03,040
Speaker 3: Somewhere in there, twenty ten years ago? Think yeah, yeah, ten.

1329
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:06,479
Speaker 2: Years ago, pretty cool? Ye uh eight oh threeh five

1330
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:09,240
Speaker 2: fifty one eight eight eight five fifty two five fifty

1331
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:10,720
Speaker 2: the number to get on board. We do have a

1332
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:13,400
Speaker 2: Bill's topic of discussion for you in case you were wondering,

1333
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 2: now that Joe Brady has been named offensive coordinator full time,

1334
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:22,240
Speaker 2: what stamp do you expect him to put on the

1335
01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:25,040
Speaker 2: Bills offense this coming fall. I think we would all

1336
01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:30,760
Speaker 2: agree that taking over mid season, you're kind of triaging

1337
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:33,639
Speaker 2: the offense. You're working with a system that you already

1338
01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:36,280
Speaker 2: have in place, which may not be everything that you

1339
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:40,400
Speaker 2: would have done offensively as a play caller, but you're

1340
01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:43,280
Speaker 2: working with the tools that are in the toolbox. You're

1341
01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:47,920
Speaker 2: handed both on the field and in the playbook. So

1342
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:50,760
Speaker 2: how much does he tweak.

1343
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:53,880
Speaker 3: Things to his liking?

1344
01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:56,120
Speaker 2: I guess is the question we've got on the table

1345
01:11:56,120 --> 01:11:58,840
Speaker 2: for you at eight oh three oh five fifty one

1346
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:01,840
Speaker 2: eight eight eight five fifty two five fifty the numbers

1347
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:05,360
Speaker 2: to get on board. I don't know about you, Steve.

1348
01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:10,720
Speaker 2: I'm not anticipating dramatic changes here. I would anticipate, just

1349
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 2: for continuity's sake, that even though plays might change, that

1350
01:12:15,200 --> 01:12:20,240
Speaker 2: terminology remains largely the same to benefit the continuity there.

1351
01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:24,160
Speaker 2: But I do think we saw enough changes in the

1352
01:12:24,200 --> 01:12:27,639
Speaker 2: time that he took over with pre snab motion, with

1353
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:30,440
Speaker 2: getting the ball to cook not only as on handoffs

1354
01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:34,439
Speaker 2: but on throws out of the backfield as well, and

1355
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:39,519
Speaker 2: greater usage of Khalil Shakir and Dalton Kinkaid that we

1356
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:43,920
Speaker 2: should expect maybe even some more notable changes here with

1357
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:47,559
Speaker 2: a full offseason to kind of adjust and arrange things

1358
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:48,479
Speaker 2: as he sees fit.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we probably won't notice any huge changes as much

1360
01:12:55,439 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 3: as the players will notice different types of calls, different words,

1361
01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:06,400
Speaker 3: additions in the vocabulary, subtractions from the vocabulary, you know,

1362
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:10,960
Speaker 3: just an evolution, and it will be excel. That evolution,

1363
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:13,400
Speaker 3: I think you're right will be accelerated by the fact

1364
01:13:13,439 --> 01:13:16,000
Speaker 3: they've got a different guy creating it all and putting

1365
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:19,719
Speaker 3: it into place. And also they know some things about

1366
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:22,800
Speaker 3: some of the personnel on their offensive side, way more

1367
01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:25,760
Speaker 3: than they did when Joe Brady first took over, and

1368
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:28,920
Speaker 3: in large measure due to his play calling. So I

1369
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:31,719
Speaker 3: think that'll continue. And you're right, I think the motion

1370
01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:34,280
Speaker 3: it's not going over that. I don't think it's going

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01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:37,320
Speaker 3: anywhere for the foreseeable future. I think motions and shifts

1372
01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:40,120
Speaker 3: and personnel changes are going to be part of the

1373
01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:43,559
Speaker 3: league going forward, at least for the foreseeable future. And

1374
01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:46,800
Speaker 3: I think it just gives the quarterbacks too much information

1375
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:50,560
Speaker 3: that helps them once the ball is snapped. So coordinators

1376
01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:54,639
Speaker 3: are going to give them that opportunity. And so it's yeah,

1377
01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:56,840
Speaker 3: I would say all of that is true. Brady's going

1378
01:13:56,880 --> 01:13:59,360
Speaker 3: to have to expound on that and have it available

1379
01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:01,320
Speaker 3: no matter who's on the field, no matter what personnel,

1380
01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:03,160
Speaker 3: whether it's from thirteen all the way down to ten

1381
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:07,160
Speaker 3: or for twenty two or what have you, You're gonna

1382
01:14:07,160 --> 01:14:10,600
Speaker 3: have to You're gonna have all those guys motioning and

1383
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:13,360
Speaker 3: shifting and playing different spots.

1384
01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:16,799
Speaker 2: And obviously how the roster morphs and changes between now

1385
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:20,960
Speaker 2: and the time this team is at training camp in

1386
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:27,439
Speaker 2: late July could impact Brady's tweaks and changes to the

1387
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:31,519
Speaker 2: playbook as well, at least in terms of preferences. I mean,

1388
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:33,960
Speaker 2: you have your voluminous playbook that has just about everything

1389
01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:37,679
Speaker 2: under the sun that you'd like to run, but depending

1390
01:14:37,720 --> 01:14:40,759
Speaker 2: on what your personnel and roster looks like come late July,

1391
01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:45,280
Speaker 2: that could dramatically impact what is getting installed early and

1392
01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:48,640
Speaker 2: often in this offensive system as well. For example, you

1393
01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:51,840
Speaker 2: get an alpha dog receiver suddenly on the outside to

1394
01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:55,720
Speaker 2: pair with DIGS, and then you know you've got Kincaid

1395
01:14:55,760 --> 01:15:00,600
Speaker 2: and Shakir inside. Well, that could change things per zipitously.

1396
01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:05,280
Speaker 2: So there are a lot of things that he probably

1397
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:09,000
Speaker 2: has in mind right now, but that could morphine change

1398
01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:11,519
Speaker 2: again by the time this team gets to training camp,

1399
01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:14,040
Speaker 2: which makes it all the more interesting. Got to take

1400
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:15,920
Speaker 2: a break here, but we're taking your phone calls at

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01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:18,519
Speaker 2: eight O three oh five fifty one eighty eight five

1402
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:20,400
Speaker 2: point fifty two five fifty. The number to get on

1403
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:22,719
Speaker 2: board is. We're asking you what stamp do you expect.

1404
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:26,559
Speaker 2: Offensive coordinator Joe Brady to put on the Bills offense.

1405
01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:28,799
Speaker 2: Your phone calls next here on One Bill's Live. Stay tuned,

1406
01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:37,960
Speaker 2: All right, Welcome back to One Bill's Live. Chris Brown,

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01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:40,400
Speaker 2: Steve Tasker with you. Eight oh three oh five fifteen

1408
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:42,120
Speaker 2: the number to get on board. As we're asking you,

1409
01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:45,559
Speaker 2: what stamp do you expect offensive coordinator Joe Brady to

1410
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:49,120
Speaker 2: put on this Bill's offense next fall? Obviously the roster

1411
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:52,080
Speaker 2: figures to change, as it does every off season, which

1412
01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:55,519
Speaker 2: could impact some of the things that happen in terms

1413
01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:58,400
Speaker 2: of the tweaks to the offense. But you saw him

1414
01:15:58,439 --> 01:16:00,800
Speaker 2: triaging the Bills offense for the second half of the

1415
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:04,719
Speaker 2: season this past year. Now that he has full control

1416
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:07,479
Speaker 2: of the direction that this thing heads, how do you

1417
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:10,840
Speaker 2: think it will change going forward? Eight oh three h

1418
01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:12,559
Speaker 2: five to fifteen The number to get on board one

1419
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:14,840
Speaker 2: eight eight eight five fifty two five point fifty. Got

1420
01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:18,080
Speaker 2: some open lines for you there, and we lead off

1421
01:16:18,120 --> 01:16:20,120
Speaker 2: with Darren up in Ottawa.

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01:16:20,160 --> 01:16:20,760
Speaker 3: What do you got for us?

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01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:23,760
Speaker 14: Darren thany guys, good to talk to you. First thing

1424
01:16:23,800 --> 01:16:25,560
Speaker 14: I want to say is I'm very disappointed you're on

1425
01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:28,000
Speaker 14: the audits yapp because you can't get that in Canada.

1426
01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:30,000
Speaker 14: The only time I get to listen to you guys

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01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:31,640
Speaker 14: when I'm driving in around Toronto.

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01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:34,280
Speaker 3: Gotcha? All right? Well we'll make a note of that.

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01:16:34,920 --> 01:16:39,680
Speaker 14: All right. My question is Leslie Frazier any updated on him?

1430
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:41,840
Speaker 14: He's coming back to Buffalo or anywhere else in the

1431
01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:43,080
Speaker 14: league for that matter, next year.

1432
01:16:43,320 --> 01:16:45,599
Speaker 3: He's done some He's done a couple of head coaching

1433
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:47,680
Speaker 3: interviews and I can't remember that which team it was

1434
01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:49,479
Speaker 3: with off the team did a head.

1435
01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:52,040
Speaker 2: Coaching interview with the Chargers obviously didn't get that job,

1436
01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:54,280
Speaker 2: and there was one other team he had a head

1437
01:16:54,280 --> 01:16:57,320
Speaker 2: coaching interview with. There were some teams that were interested

1438
01:16:57,360 --> 01:17:00,920
Speaker 2: in him as a defensive coordinator. He bypassed those to

1439
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:03,720
Speaker 2: go for the head coaching jobs and may have cost

1440
01:17:03,800 --> 01:17:06,360
Speaker 2: himself an opportunity to be a DC again in this league.

1441
01:17:06,439 --> 01:17:08,920
Speaker 2: But it was clear when he was here he wanted

1442
01:17:08,920 --> 01:17:11,760
Speaker 2: to be a head coach again as he was in Minnesota,

1443
01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:14,599
Speaker 2: but that didn't happen. And one quick note, Darren, we're

1444
01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:17,280
Speaker 2: being told you can try the Bills app to pull

1445
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:21,080
Speaker 2: in our show. That should work for you internationally, so

1446
01:17:21,160 --> 01:17:24,000
Speaker 2: maybe try that the next time you're up closer to

1447
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:27,759
Speaker 2: home in Ottawa. And thanks for the call. Yeah nowhere.

1448
01:17:28,160 --> 01:17:30,280
Speaker 2: In terms of a landing spot for coach Fraser, we

1449
01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:33,679
Speaker 2: should also note Brandon Bean mentioned this at his press

1450
01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:37,519
Speaker 2: conference last week. Leslie Fraser no longer under contract to

1451
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:39,559
Speaker 2: the Bills. It was kind of like a one year

1452
01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:43,559
Speaker 2: sabbatical and now no longer under contract. His contract has told.

1453
01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:47,960
Speaker 2: So he is a coaching free agent to Mark in

1454
01:17:48,120 --> 01:17:49,960
Speaker 2: Jersey City. Next, what do you have for his mark?

1455
01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:55,519
Speaker 7: Good acton gentlemen. At one point about the game yesterday

1456
01:17:55,560 --> 01:17:58,920
Speaker 7: and then about what it means for the Bills. They

1457
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:02,040
Speaker 7: were the raven forgot who they were yesterday. They were.

1458
01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:05,920
Speaker 7: They seemed very intent on trying to showcase Lamar is

1459
01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:09,640
Speaker 7: an MVP candidate, a guy who could win big in

1460
01:18:09,640 --> 01:18:14,640
Speaker 7: the playoffs against you know the guy who then he

1461
01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:18,519
Speaker 7: he like you said, he he just he came up short.

1462
01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:22,880
Speaker 7: That that interception was brutal. I mean, the Stripsacks lost

1463
01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:25,840
Speaker 7: because they failed for it on that real fourth and

1464
01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:29,519
Speaker 7: short with the checko, which is rare. I thought they

1465
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:31,400
Speaker 7: were just going to walk in with that. I thought

1466
01:18:31,479 --> 01:18:34,760
Speaker 7: Kelsey might have gotten it on the previous I'll play,

1467
01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:37,880
Speaker 7: but it was Yeah, it just but you can't say

1468
01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:40,040
Speaker 7: that he's not a good pastor. He's just an average pastor.

1469
01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:42,640
Speaker 7: There's a reason why they manage the guy's passes. He

1470
01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:45,320
Speaker 7: doesn't even come close to throwing five hundred passes a

1471
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:48,599
Speaker 7: year in an era where guys throw six hundred. But

1472
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:51,040
Speaker 7: when it comes to the Bills, the Bills have the

1473
01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:53,240
Speaker 7: only guy in this league. This is gonna sound very homeless.

1474
01:18:53,240 --> 01:18:54,720
Speaker 7: They have the only guy in this league that can

1475
01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:58,320
Speaker 7: go toe to toe with with Mahomes, period, over and out,

1476
01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:00,760
Speaker 7: end of story. They have the guy that can do that,

1477
01:19:00,920 --> 01:19:02,800
Speaker 7: and he's done it. He's done it in his gym,

1478
01:19:03,160 --> 01:19:05,320
Speaker 7: and he has had some very fluky things happen in

1479
01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:08,920
Speaker 7: the playoff game, the two playoff games just prior that

1480
01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:12,639
Speaker 7: have kept him from getting over the hump. Get him weapons.

1481
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:16,120
Speaker 7: Run that guy out of the gym. That's it. Run

1482
01:19:16,200 --> 01:19:18,000
Speaker 7: him out of the gym. Get him weapons that are

1483
01:19:18,040 --> 01:19:20,160
Speaker 7: just gonna you know, there is no flukey play because

1484
01:19:20,200 --> 01:19:21,760
Speaker 7: the scoreboard dictates there won't be.

1485
01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:25,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, there's a lot in there. But here's the thing,

1486
01:19:25,320 --> 01:19:27,680
Speaker 3: you're right. I agree with you. I think Baltimore did

1487
01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:29,519
Speaker 3: get away from who they were or who they should

1488
01:19:29,560 --> 01:19:32,599
Speaker 3: have been, or perhaps maybe not just to that extent,

1489
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:35,960
Speaker 3: just saying who they needed to be yesterday to beat

1490
01:19:36,120 --> 01:19:39,000
Speaker 3: the Chiefs. Yeah, and they just would They wouldn't. They

1491
01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:41,840
Speaker 3: didn't get there, They couldn't get into that mode. You're right,

1492
01:19:42,760 --> 01:19:45,799
Speaker 3: and I'll say this, the Lamard touched down over the

1493
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:47,479
Speaker 3: the interception he threw over the middle in the end

1494
01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:51,240
Speaker 3: zone was brutal, but he had another one dropped dead

1495
01:19:51,320 --> 01:19:54,080
Speaker 3: cold dropped by a Kansas City defender as well, So

1496
01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:59,000
Speaker 3: you know there's a lot in those. And yes, Josh

1497
01:19:59,080 --> 01:20:02,799
Speaker 3: does go total with Pat Mahomes. Everybody sees that. Everybody

1498
01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:05,160
Speaker 3: knows it. But also Joe Burrow does as well. In fact,

1499
01:20:05,240 --> 01:20:08,080
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow has really good success against Pat Mahomes, beat

1500
01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:10,479
Speaker 3: him in an AFC championship in his building. Josh's never

1501
01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:12,639
Speaker 3: done that. So there's at least two guys that can

1502
01:20:12,680 --> 01:20:14,640
Speaker 3: go toe to toe with him, and Josh you know,

1503
01:20:14,680 --> 01:20:17,200
Speaker 3: has had his you know, has had his success against

1504
01:20:17,240 --> 01:20:20,759
Speaker 3: Pat in the regular season, but you know, and everybody

1505
01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:24,120
Speaker 3: will pooh pooh that success because of the playoff success

1506
01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:27,720
Speaker 3: Pat's had against Josh. That's the way it is in

1507
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:30,840
Speaker 3: this business. But you're right, those three quarterbacks, and I

1508
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:34,639
Speaker 3: say this, despite the bad game they had yesterday, Lamar's

1509
01:20:34,680 --> 01:20:37,320
Speaker 3: got to go in that conversation with those quarterbacks at

1510
01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:41,040
Speaker 3: the top of the AFC. It's Pat, it's Josh, it's Joe,

1511
01:20:41,479 --> 01:20:46,200
Speaker 3: and it's Lamar. Joe's had some problems with injuries that

1512
01:20:46,240 --> 01:20:48,280
Speaker 3: the other three haven't, and Lamar has a little bit

1513
01:20:48,280 --> 01:20:52,160
Speaker 3: but not the same extent. And you know, you come

1514
01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:54,120
Speaker 3: back and when they're in there, all four of those

1515
01:20:54,160 --> 01:20:57,960
Speaker 3: guys can go. But Pat is the best guy because

1516
01:20:58,120 --> 01:21:00,479
Speaker 3: for whatever reason, maybe it's his coach, maybe it's tied end,

1517
01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:04,680
Speaker 3: maybe it's the vibe. Who knows, maybe it's something unquantifiable,

1518
01:21:05,200 --> 01:21:08,479
Speaker 3: but there's a handful of guys at least in the

1519
01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:12,439
Speaker 3: AFC who are right there at the top, and it

1520
01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:16,479
Speaker 3: must see television whenever they play. Josh is certainly on

1521
01:21:16,520 --> 01:21:17,360
Speaker 3: that list.

1522
01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:22,599
Speaker 2: I think where Lamar comes up short is throwing outside

1523
01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:25,000
Speaker 2: the numbers. I mean, how many times did he overthrow

1524
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:27,880
Speaker 2: his receivers down the sideline on shot plays? I mean

1525
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:31,280
Speaker 2: he overthrowed Beckham twice, he overthrew another receiver down the

1526
01:21:31,320 --> 01:21:36,680
Speaker 2: other sideline. He missed on throws where his receiver had

1527
01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:40,400
Speaker 2: a step on. People like Josh in the divisional playoff

1528
01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:43,680
Speaker 2: was the victim of drops. I mean, two out of

1529
01:21:43,680 --> 01:21:47,080
Speaker 2: those three he put on a button. The third one

1530
01:21:47,479 --> 01:21:49,720
Speaker 2: Sherfield had to adjust to. It was a difficult ball,

1531
01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:52,160
Speaker 2: but he still had a chance to catch it in

1532
01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:56,200
Speaker 2: open space, not in tight coverage. And Josh was the

1533
01:21:56,280 --> 01:22:00,240
Speaker 2: victim of drops. Lamar was the victim of inaccuracy on

1534
01:22:00,280 --> 01:22:03,040
Speaker 2: shot plays yesterday. And it's it's something that has been

1535
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:07,439
Speaker 2: a consistent theme throughout his career. Throwing deep and outside

1536
01:22:07,479 --> 01:22:10,040
Speaker 2: the numbers is difficult for him to do on a

1537
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:11,160
Speaker 2: consistent basis.

1538
01:22:11,240 --> 01:22:13,680
Speaker 3: I'll say this too. You're right and get back to

1539
01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:20,280
Speaker 3: your original point. The Ravens lacked the ability or the

1540
01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:23,360
Speaker 3: will to be who they needed to be yesterday to

1541
01:22:23,400 --> 01:22:26,120
Speaker 3: beat the Chiefs. I felt like they could have run

1542
01:22:26,160 --> 01:22:31,600
Speaker 3: the football effectively and better with Lamar, with Edwards, with Flowers,

1543
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:36,000
Speaker 3: all those guys, and they didn't. They just didn't. They

1544
01:22:36,040 --> 01:22:39,360
Speaker 3: had sixteen rushes the entire game, eight of them from

1545
01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:40,479
Speaker 3: what were from Lamar.

1546
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:43,759
Speaker 2: So that means your running backs touch the ball.

1547
01:22:43,680 --> 01:22:47,080
Speaker 3: Eight on carries eighteen times. That's just I mean, that's.

1548
01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:50,360
Speaker 2: Forty what forty one throws, sixteen rushes.

1549
01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:54,760
Speaker 3: Seven thirty seven throws documented and sixteen rushes, and.

1550
01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:56,800
Speaker 2: That's more than two to one, and I understand you

1551
01:22:56,840 --> 01:23:00,800
Speaker 2: got to throw more in this league, but they were chasing.

1552
01:23:00,520 --> 01:23:01,960
Speaker 3: A game they didn't need to chase.

1553
01:23:02,479 --> 01:23:05,240
Speaker 2: They were down seventeen to seven in the second quarter.

1554
01:23:05,479 --> 01:23:08,320
Speaker 2: You have plenty of time to still run the football.

1555
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:10,599
Speaker 3: They've got me a time, Yeah, they've got you know,

1556
01:23:11,400 --> 01:23:14,400
Speaker 3: they got sacked. He got sacked four times as well.

1557
01:23:14,560 --> 01:23:17,479
Speaker 3: Divide logic. It really did. Yeah, I'm I'm. I was

1558
01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:20,040
Speaker 3: a little disappointed in their inability to get out of

1559
01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:23,479
Speaker 3: a mindset that they obviously had going into that game.

1560
01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:28,360
Speaker 3: And it's not that it's one thing to start trying

1561
01:23:28,360 --> 01:23:30,719
Speaker 3: to drop back and throw the football all over the yard,

1562
01:23:31,479 --> 01:23:33,160
Speaker 3: you know, if you get into one of those games,

1563
01:23:33,200 --> 01:23:35,599
Speaker 3: But it's another just to start handing off and going

1564
01:23:35,640 --> 01:23:37,679
Speaker 3: to your run game whenever you want. It's all. It's

1565
01:23:37,760 --> 01:23:40,880
Speaker 3: always there. It's not like it's an enormous flip the

1566
01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:43,280
Speaker 3: switch and you have to turn your game plan on

1567
01:23:43,320 --> 01:23:50,439
Speaker 3: its head, just man. And you know, I think Lamar's

1568
01:23:50,520 --> 01:23:53,559
Speaker 3: just unwillingness to pull it down and run when it

1569
01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:58,160
Speaker 3: was there, get some first down to sustain some drives. Yeah, right,

1570
01:23:58,200 --> 01:24:00,920
Speaker 3: that that slow start was they just never got out

1571
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:03,120
Speaker 3: of that mode. Yeah, first three and out and they

1572
01:24:03,200 --> 01:24:05,479
Speaker 3: just felt like it took them forever to get find

1573
01:24:05,479 --> 01:24:06,840
Speaker 3: their rhythm, to.

1574
01:24:06,840 --> 01:24:08,880
Speaker 2: Go back to the phones and to Denny and Niagara Falls.

1575
01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:11,120
Speaker 8: What do you got for his Jenny, Hey, gentlemen, I

1576
01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:13,519
Speaker 8: agree with you completely, and I'm just sick and tired

1577
01:24:13,560 --> 01:24:15,840
Speaker 8: of the media. Like all last week I heard about

1578
01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:19,559
Speaker 8: how Lamar Jackson MVPs or I would argue that even

1579
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:21,880
Speaker 8: Allen had numbers this year for the MVP. I mean,

1580
01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:25,120
Speaker 8: he had fifty including playoffs combined touchdowns. I'm not even

1581
01:24:25,160 --> 01:24:26,760
Speaker 8: going to compare stats in the game because it's the

1582
01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:29,880
Speaker 8: only stat that matters is winning. But is he the

1583
01:24:29,960 --> 01:24:33,080
Speaker 8: more elusive runner than Alan? Yes, it doesn't necessarily make

1584
01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:36,000
Speaker 8: him a better runner. I actually think Allan knows when

1585
01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:38,400
Speaker 8: to run it, when to improvise. I mean, you've seen

1586
01:24:38,439 --> 01:24:41,679
Speaker 8: some of these backward laterals he's had. He's more As

1587
01:24:41,680 --> 01:24:43,639
Speaker 8: far as I'm concerned, I think he's a better player,

1588
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:46,240
Speaker 8: and he definitely throws the deep ball better. I mean,

1589
01:24:46,280 --> 01:24:48,519
Speaker 8: if you look at last night's Detroit San Fringan, do

1590
01:24:48,560 --> 01:24:52,040
Speaker 8: you blame it on golf for Reynolds dropping both of

1591
01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:55,080
Speaker 8: those passes. I'm just tired of hearing it. It's Mahomes.

1592
01:24:55,280 --> 01:24:57,960
Speaker 8: He's in the status all by himself. He's Brad. I'm

1593
01:24:57,960 --> 01:25:00,920
Speaker 8: not saying he's Brady, but he's getting close at least

1594
01:25:00,920 --> 01:25:04,680
Speaker 8: for this decade. And then you got Alan, and then

1595
01:25:04,720 --> 01:25:07,439
Speaker 8: you can put in any other order anybody else you want.

1596
01:25:07,479 --> 01:25:12,000
Speaker 8: As far as I'm concerned, if Buffalo had Baltimore's defense

1597
01:25:12,040 --> 01:25:13,760
Speaker 8: this year and they're coaching, I mean, if you think

1598
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:16,240
Speaker 8: of the three losses they had with the Jets, Denver,

1599
01:25:16,280 --> 01:25:19,400
Speaker 8: and Philly, they could have been the ones hosting. You know,

1600
01:25:19,439 --> 01:25:21,719
Speaker 8: they would have been playing probably Houston in the first game,

1601
01:25:22,200 --> 01:25:25,160
Speaker 8: and then who knows, maybe Baltimore does knock out Casey

1602
01:25:25,280 --> 01:25:27,400
Speaker 8: in the divisional round and then we got Baltimore or

1603
01:25:27,400 --> 01:25:30,280
Speaker 8: Casey at home. And then they have that extra week

1604
01:25:30,360 --> 01:25:33,040
Speaker 8: arrest too, which definitely would have mattered this year with

1605
01:25:33,080 --> 01:25:36,599
Speaker 8: that defense that was decimated. So I appreciate you guys.

1606
01:25:36,720 --> 01:25:38,519
Speaker 8: I love hearing you guys. Your show is one of

1607
01:25:38,560 --> 01:25:39,360
Speaker 8: the best down there.

1608
01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:43,160
Speaker 3: Thanks Danny, appreciate You're right, and we spoke about it

1609
01:25:43,200 --> 01:25:47,800
Speaker 3: earlier in the show. Think about brock Purty won the

1610
01:25:47,920 --> 01:25:52,160
Speaker 3: NFC Championship game as much with three timely rushes that

1611
01:25:52,280 --> 01:25:54,720
Speaker 3: were big plays as he did with his arm, which

1612
01:25:54,760 --> 01:25:56,880
Speaker 3: was he threw the ball really well. He threw the

1613
01:25:56,880 --> 01:25:57,720
Speaker 3: ball fantastic.

1614
01:25:57,760 --> 01:26:00,519
Speaker 2: It goes back to your point about the decision making

1615
01:26:00,520 --> 01:26:04,080
Speaker 2: at the quarterback position. Rock Perdy is not the best

1616
01:26:04,160 --> 01:26:08,200
Speaker 2: runner if you're comparing him to Lamar or to Josh,

1617
01:26:08,240 --> 01:26:11,880
Speaker 2: but he's effective because of when he chooses to run.

1618
01:26:12,200 --> 01:26:15,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Perty had in the game. He had

1619
01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:18,439
Speaker 3: five rushers for forty eight for an average of nine

1620
01:26:18,479 --> 01:26:21,280
Speaker 3: point six. I mean, that's right where you need to be, you.

1621
01:26:21,240 --> 01:26:25,120
Speaker 2: Know, five, he kept drives.

1622
01:26:25,160 --> 01:26:27,360
Speaker 3: We talked about it. It's all about this quarterback stuff.

1623
01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:30,000
Speaker 3: It's a debate that is hard because these guys are

1624
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:33,400
Speaker 3: all so different. You got Rock Purdy who makes really

1625
01:26:33,479 --> 01:26:36,120
Speaker 3: a ton of good decisions and has the ability to

1626
01:26:36,160 --> 01:26:39,479
Speaker 3: make him to execute him. You got Josh, who, you

1627
01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:43,320
Speaker 3: can make the argument, makes not as many perfect decisions,

1628
01:26:43,439 --> 01:26:45,800
Speaker 3: but has the ability to overcome bad decisions with the

1629
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:48,880
Speaker 3: next play or turning a perfect defensive call into a

1630
01:26:48,920 --> 01:26:52,960
Speaker 3: touchdown for the offense. Josh can do that. Lamar, same

1631
01:26:53,080 --> 01:26:57,920
Speaker 3: kind of thing. His decision making yesterday I thought was

1632
01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:02,719
Speaker 3: his downfall, not you know, his abilities as the instrumental effect. Yeah,

1633
01:27:02,760 --> 01:27:04,840
Speaker 3: that was it. And you know, of course Pat Mahomes.

1634
01:27:05,080 --> 01:27:07,200
Speaker 3: I mean that guy's a savant. I mean that guy

1635
01:27:07,240 --> 01:27:10,160
Speaker 3: sees things nobody else does and then can throw wherever

1636
01:27:10,200 --> 01:27:13,320
Speaker 3: he is. He can execute a throw from whatever platform

1637
01:27:13,320 --> 01:27:14,840
Speaker 3: there is to get it in the vicinity and we

1638
01:27:15,040 --> 01:27:19,479
Speaker 3: can be caught. And then plus you put in you know,

1639
01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:23,439
Speaker 3: the guy like Travis Kelsey who catches everything, who he trusts,

1640
01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:26,160
Speaker 3: and whose lights are on all the time. I mean,

1641
01:27:26,160 --> 01:27:27,320
Speaker 3: that's it's a tough combination.

1642
01:27:27,439 --> 01:27:29,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, gotta take a break here, but what stamp do

1643
01:27:29,920 --> 01:27:32,560
Speaker 2: you expect offensive coordinator Joe Brady to put on the

1644
01:27:32,560 --> 01:27:36,559
Speaker 2: Bills offense for next fall? We got open lines for

1645
01:27:36,600 --> 01:27:39,120
Speaker 2: you at eight oh three, five point fifty and we'll

1646
01:27:39,160 --> 01:27:41,519
Speaker 2: open with Kate in Rochester when we return here on

1647
01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:43,400
Speaker 2: One Bill's Live, presented by Kill Out of Health, It's

1648
01:27:43,400 --> 01:27:59,479
Speaker 2: Buffalo Bills Radio. All right back here on One Bill's Live,

1649
01:27:59,560 --> 01:28:01,800
Speaker 2: Chrispher Steve Tasker with you. I'm going to get right

1650
01:28:01,800 --> 01:28:04,800
Speaker 2: back to the phones as we are, asking you, what

1651
01:28:05,080 --> 01:28:08,120
Speaker 2: stamp do you expect defensive coordinator Joe Brady to put

1652
01:28:08,120 --> 01:28:11,240
Speaker 2: on the Bills offense for next fall? And leading off

1653
01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:13,360
Speaker 2: with Kate and Rochester, what do you got for us?

1654
01:28:13,400 --> 01:28:18,960
Speaker 5: Kate, Hey, Brownie, Hey, Steve, great show, really big diehard

1655
01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:23,400
Speaker 5: fan here, except I was traveling internationally on the seventh

1656
01:28:23,439 --> 01:28:26,320
Speaker 5: of January through I just got back home and I

1657
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:28,600
Speaker 5: have to say one thing first before I touch on

1658
01:28:29,080 --> 01:28:32,920
Speaker 5: Joe Brady. Is this a hostile environment in Newark? I

1659
01:28:32,960 --> 01:28:36,120
Speaker 5: wore all my bills paraphernalia. I was so looking forward

1660
01:28:36,160 --> 01:28:38,360
Speaker 5: to a go build. I had nothing. I saw one

1661
01:28:38,360 --> 01:28:41,639
Speaker 5: guy in a Josh Allen jersey far away at another gate,

1662
01:28:41,720 --> 01:28:44,680
Speaker 5: but other than that, I missed a lot of the

1663
01:28:44,760 --> 01:28:48,760
Speaker 5: playoffs season. But I have a question for you. I

1664
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:52,439
Speaker 5: think it was from your Surman Thomas discussion, and I

1665
01:28:52,479 --> 01:28:55,120
Speaker 5: want to know. I want your analysis, a real summary

1666
01:28:55,160 --> 01:28:57,400
Speaker 5: again what happened in the fourth quarter, because there was

1667
01:28:57,439 --> 01:29:00,920
Speaker 5: some discussion about we made the right decisions on the

1668
01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:04,800
Speaker 5: play calling, and I'm very concerned that we don't have

1669
01:29:04,960 --> 01:29:08,240
Speaker 5: enough creativity and juice and it sounds like it's a

1670
01:29:08,280 --> 01:29:11,160
Speaker 5: done deal with Joe Brady, and I'm kind of a

1671
01:29:11,240 --> 01:29:13,000
Speaker 5: think out of the box kind of girl. And we

1672
01:29:13,120 --> 01:29:15,640
Speaker 5: got to be more aggressive and we really got to

1673
01:29:15,680 --> 01:29:18,960
Speaker 5: support Josh, and Josh needs as much support and help

1674
01:29:19,040 --> 01:29:21,840
Speaker 5: and creative things. Like I thought maybe we'd hire a

1675
01:29:21,960 --> 01:29:25,080
Speaker 5: sealf mentor for Josh like one of the old quarterbacks

1676
01:29:25,120 --> 01:29:27,400
Speaker 5: that he really is in touch with, and pay him

1677
01:29:27,400 --> 01:29:29,759
Speaker 5: to coach him through whatever he needs to get done.

1678
01:29:30,360 --> 01:29:32,880
Speaker 5: Tell me what happened with Joe Brady's play calling and

1679
01:29:32,920 --> 01:29:36,360
Speaker 5: the Chiefs, and I think he'll be good. But I

1680
01:29:36,360 --> 01:29:40,519
Speaker 5: also think I love Sean McDermott. But Sean McDermott being

1681
01:29:40,520 --> 01:29:42,679
Speaker 5: a defense coach, he's pulled it out of the box

1682
01:29:42,800 --> 01:29:45,599
Speaker 5: a lot. He's got a lot of solid nature to him.

1683
01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:48,320
Speaker 5: But I'll tell you the trip to London when I

1684
01:29:48,479 --> 01:29:50,800
Speaker 5: heard that their experts were telling him they could bank

1685
01:29:50,920 --> 01:29:53,360
Speaker 5: sleep and I know for a fact you can't, and

1686
01:29:53,400 --> 01:29:58,000
Speaker 5: that's old news. I think they've got old conservative input

1687
01:29:58,080 --> 01:30:00,000
Speaker 5: going on in the team and they need some friend

1688
01:30:00,320 --> 01:30:02,960
Speaker 5: new creative stuff. I'll let you'd have at it. I

1689
01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:05,360
Speaker 5: want to believe in Joe Brady, but I'm afraid we

1690
01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:08,519
Speaker 5: should have been. We need to be more savvy against

1691
01:30:08,560 --> 01:30:11,519
Speaker 5: the teams were playing while we're playing them, and we

1692
01:30:11,560 --> 01:30:14,200
Speaker 5: all know we could have beat the Chiefs. And I'm

1693
01:30:14,280 --> 01:30:17,040
Speaker 5: just getting caught up on all the commentary, but I

1694
01:30:17,160 --> 01:30:18,240
Speaker 5: just leaned your take on that.

1695
01:30:18,640 --> 01:30:23,000
Speaker 3: Thank yep, Thanks Kate, Thanks thanks for calling up. Going

1696
01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:26,160
Speaker 3: to the play calling because I'm too far removed from.

1697
01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:28,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, the main issue with the play calling at the

1698
01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:32,040
Speaker 2: end of the game was down four or down three

1699
01:30:32,680 --> 01:30:36,439
Speaker 2: twenty seven to twenty four. A lot of people had

1700
01:30:36,439 --> 01:30:38,599
Speaker 2: an issue with Josh going for the end zone there

1701
01:30:38,600 --> 01:30:41,799
Speaker 2: on second and nine, which he did. He had Shakir

1702
01:30:41,880 --> 01:30:45,320
Speaker 2: come open on a post pattern in the end zone

1703
01:30:45,800 --> 01:30:48,280
Speaker 2: and got hit as he threw the ball, so the

1704
01:30:48,280 --> 01:30:51,479
Speaker 2: ball ended up incomplete and about five yards short of

1705
01:30:51,479 --> 01:30:54,360
Speaker 2: the target because Josh got hit as he threw and also,

1706
01:30:54,800 --> 01:30:56,960
Speaker 2: as he told us after the game, did not reset

1707
01:30:56,960 --> 01:30:59,599
Speaker 2: his platform, so we kind of threw it flat footed

1708
01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:03,360
Speaker 2: and got hit to boot and the ball fell incomplete, harmlessly,

1709
01:31:03,400 --> 01:31:06,160
Speaker 2: five yards shy of the target, which was Khalil Shakir.

1710
01:31:07,040 --> 01:31:09,040
Speaker 2: And there are a lot of people saying Diggs is

1711
01:31:09,120 --> 01:31:11,960
Speaker 2: running free underneath, let's just get the first down, run

1712
01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:18,200
Speaker 2: more clock, et cetera, et cetera, And really where Steve

1713
01:31:18,280 --> 01:31:21,719
Speaker 2: and I landed, because I'm pretty sure Steve shared this sentiment.

1714
01:31:22,400 --> 01:31:24,360
Speaker 2: The most important thing at the end of the game,

1715
01:31:25,040 --> 01:31:27,120
Speaker 2: in what is probably or has a good chance to

1716
01:31:27,160 --> 01:31:30,959
Speaker 2: be your last possession, is to score points. It's points

1717
01:31:31,360 --> 01:31:33,760
Speaker 2: over time on the clock. Sure you would love to

1718
01:31:33,840 --> 01:31:36,160
Speaker 2: manage the clock and get it down as low as possible,

1719
01:31:36,240 --> 01:31:40,240
Speaker 2: leave Patrick Mahomes a little time, but points.

1720
01:31:39,880 --> 01:31:40,760
Speaker 3: Are the priority.

1721
01:31:40,960 --> 01:31:44,320
Speaker 2: They always are, So going for the end zone and

1722
01:31:44,360 --> 01:31:47,360
Speaker 2: being aggressive there, I have no problem with that is

1723
01:31:47,400 --> 01:31:49,400
Speaker 2: just unfortunately he got hit as he threw the football

1724
01:31:50,720 --> 01:31:52,760
Speaker 2: and then he had to run to his right and

1725
01:31:52,840 --> 01:31:54,719
Speaker 2: throw it out of bounds on third and nine because

1726
01:31:54,880 --> 01:31:57,439
Speaker 2: quite simply, nobody was open and he had a pass

1727
01:31:57,520 --> 01:32:00,280
Speaker 2: rusher in pursuit, so he really didn't have an opportunity

1728
01:32:00,360 --> 01:32:02,639
Speaker 2: to run either to gain yards with his legs.

1729
01:32:02,439 --> 01:32:04,360
Speaker 3: And that's what made it. A forty four yarder that

1730
01:32:04,520 --> 01:32:07,960
Speaker 3: was impossible, obviously impossible to make so at that point,

1731
01:32:08,040 --> 01:32:12,480
Speaker 3: so instead of a thirty yarder, it was a forty.

1732
01:32:12,200 --> 01:32:15,639
Speaker 2: Three yard he should have made. So yeah, and he's

1733
01:32:15,640 --> 01:32:17,519
Speaker 2: been good from that distance for a long time. He

1734
01:32:17,600 --> 01:32:18,320
Speaker 2: just pushed it right.

1735
01:32:18,720 --> 01:32:21,240
Speaker 3: But yeah, if you get the if you get the

1736
01:32:21,240 --> 01:32:23,799
Speaker 3: first down there instead of you got three more chances,

1737
01:32:23,840 --> 01:32:25,640
Speaker 3: and it's you know, it's a little different end of

1738
01:32:25,680 --> 01:32:26,959
Speaker 3: the game, a little different complexion.

1739
01:32:27,080 --> 01:32:29,599
Speaker 2: And I wouldn't and I wouldn't get too wrapped up

1740
01:32:30,320 --> 01:32:33,439
Speaker 2: in not having a lot of faith in Joe Brady

1741
01:32:33,439 --> 01:32:35,439
Speaker 2: based on what you saw for the last nine games,

1742
01:32:35,479 --> 01:32:38,720
Speaker 2: and the reason being, as I've said before, he was

1743
01:32:38,880 --> 01:32:42,840
Speaker 2: basically working with an instruction managed manual in a toolbox

1744
01:32:43,280 --> 01:32:45,320
Speaker 2: that had been handed to him. It wasn't his own

1745
01:32:45,360 --> 01:32:48,920
Speaker 2: tools and his own manual. So give him an off

1746
01:32:48,960 --> 01:32:53,160
Speaker 2: season to incorporate some of the things that he believes

1747
01:32:53,280 --> 01:32:57,439
Speaker 2: offensively should work for this group. Not to mention what

1748
01:32:57,520 --> 01:32:59,720
Speaker 2: could get added in the off season, because I am

1749
01:32:59,800 --> 01:33:02,200
Speaker 2: kind of confident that more weapons will be added to

1750
01:33:02,240 --> 01:33:04,960
Speaker 2: help Josh to your point, Kate, and so hopefully it

1751
01:33:05,000 --> 01:33:07,360
Speaker 2: does look a whole lot better and is more productive.

1752
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:11,519
Speaker 3: I'll say this too, your offensive coordinator can make your

1753
01:33:11,600 --> 01:33:16,120
Speaker 3: quarterback look really good and vice versa. And the other

1754
01:33:16,240 --> 01:33:18,360
Speaker 3: is true as well. Your offensive coordinator can stifle a

1755
01:33:18,360 --> 01:33:21,240
Speaker 3: good quarterback, and a quarterback can make the wrong throw

1756
01:33:22,040 --> 01:33:25,120
Speaker 3: and make the offensive coordinator look bad. I think there's

1757
01:33:25,120 --> 01:33:27,559
Speaker 3: both of those things going on. Certainly, Josh can overcome

1758
01:33:27,600 --> 01:33:30,800
Speaker 3: some deficient play calling at times. He can overcome the

1759
01:33:30,840 --> 01:33:33,400
Speaker 3: fact that the defense has the perfect defense called on

1760
01:33:33,479 --> 01:33:36,000
Speaker 3: him and they couldn't detect it before the snap, and

1761
01:33:36,040 --> 01:33:38,760
Speaker 3: he turns it into a great play. I think when

1762
01:33:38,800 --> 01:33:41,080
Speaker 3: you have Josh trying to go for that end zone shot.

1763
01:33:41,360 --> 01:33:43,479
Speaker 3: You do have other options in that play that he

1764
01:33:43,520 --> 01:33:45,240
Speaker 3: could have gotten to that would have brought up a

1765
01:33:45,280 --> 01:33:48,000
Speaker 3: second and what two second and one, maybe even a

1766
01:33:48,040 --> 01:33:52,719
Speaker 3: first down. That's on Josh, that's not on Joe Brady.

1767
01:33:53,000 --> 01:33:55,200
Speaker 3: So it's both those guys working together to trying to

1768
01:33:55,200 --> 01:33:57,479
Speaker 3: accomplish something and sometimes one of them has has it

1769
01:33:57,560 --> 01:33:59,919
Speaker 3: right and the other one misses it and vice versa.

1770
01:34:00,880 --> 01:34:04,200
Speaker 3: So it's a that's why that man, it's tough to

1771
01:34:04,200 --> 01:34:07,360
Speaker 3: get it right. Yeah, And that's why we're we're talking

1772
01:34:07,360 --> 01:34:09,920
Speaker 3: about today and even in the after these two AFC

1773
01:34:09,960 --> 01:34:13,479
Speaker 3: and NFC Championship games yesterday. It's the decision making of

1774
01:34:13,520 --> 01:34:15,320
Speaker 3: the quarterbacks that come down to it, and that you're

1775
01:34:15,360 --> 01:34:17,679
Speaker 3: cutting it really when you get down to that point

1776
01:34:18,160 --> 01:34:20,519
Speaker 3: in these games where you're saying, man, that quarter he

1777
01:34:20,680 --> 01:34:23,880
Speaker 3: just didn't make the right decision right here, just he

1778
01:34:23,920 --> 01:34:25,400
Speaker 3: should have run it, or he should have thrown it

1779
01:34:25,439 --> 01:34:28,360
Speaker 3: or should You know, that's where you're you're playing at

1780
01:34:28,400 --> 01:34:32,439
Speaker 3: a really high level, a really high level, and you

1781
01:34:32,439 --> 01:34:35,120
Speaker 3: know that's where you come down to drawing, drawing the

1782
01:34:35,160 --> 01:34:38,960
Speaker 3: distinctions and just different decisions quarterbacks make. And that's where

1783
01:34:38,960 --> 01:34:41,559
Speaker 3: we're at today with all these quarterbacks in the divisional

1784
01:34:41,600 --> 01:34:44,120
Speaker 3: round and the championship round. It became down to decision

1785
01:34:44,120 --> 01:34:47,640
Speaker 3: making and and some guys made the right decisions that

1786
01:34:47,640 --> 01:34:50,800
Speaker 3: they were able to execute. Other guys made decisions that

1787
01:34:50,840 --> 01:34:53,720
Speaker 3: they were not able to execute, and you win and

1788
01:34:53,720 --> 01:34:56,599
Speaker 3: you lose based on it. Got to take a break here.

1789
01:34:56,720 --> 01:34:59,240
Speaker 2: But when we come back hour number three, we'll begin

1790
01:34:59,360 --> 01:35:03,760
Speaker 2: with Football Focus analyst Brad Spielberger gonna help us a

1791
01:35:03,800 --> 01:35:07,880
Speaker 2: little bit with an early look at free agency. We

1792
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:10,200
Speaker 2: know that Brandon Bean has already said this team is

1793
01:35:10,240 --> 01:35:13,000
Speaker 2: not going big game hunting with their current cap situation.

1794
01:35:13,640 --> 01:35:16,479
Speaker 2: What value could be out there on the free agent market.

1795
01:35:16,520 --> 01:35:19,080
Speaker 2: We'll take a cursory look with Brad Spielberger when we

1796
01:35:19,120 --> 01:35:21,080
Speaker 2: return here on One Bill's Live presented by a Lot

1797
01:35:21,080 --> 01:35:22,320
Speaker 2: of Health. It's Buffalo Bills.

1798
01:35:22,160 --> 01:36:08,320
Speaker 1: Radio, these One Bills Live presented by Kalida Health.

1799
01:36:08,880 --> 01:36:11,240
Speaker 2: All Right, our number three here on Monday, Chris Brown,

1800
01:36:11,280 --> 01:36:14,400
Speaker 2: Steve Tasker with you, and please be joined now by

1801
01:36:15,200 --> 01:36:18,559
Speaker 2: Pro Football analyst for Pro Football Focus and a guy

1802
01:36:18,600 --> 01:36:22,280
Speaker 2: that's gotten a jump on the free agent market that

1803
01:36:22,760 --> 01:36:29,240
Speaker 2: will hit everybody's palette for free agent transactions come March thirteenth,

1804
01:36:29,320 --> 01:36:32,479
Speaker 2: when signings can officially happen. It's Brad Spielberger joining us,

1805
01:36:32,479 --> 01:36:35,720
Speaker 2: and Brad, good to have you first of all, talk

1806
01:36:35,760 --> 01:36:38,360
Speaker 2: about getting an early jump on this man. You've covered

1807
01:36:38,360 --> 01:36:42,480
Speaker 2: the gamut here on PFF dot com, not only positioned

1808
01:36:42,479 --> 01:36:45,960
Speaker 2: by position breakdown a top one fifty of free agency.

1809
01:36:46,439 --> 01:36:49,240
Speaker 2: Holy crap, Like, when did you get started on this Thanksgiving?

1810
01:36:49,360 --> 01:36:53,439
Speaker 15: My got actually right around then, Yeah, and now early November,

1811
01:36:53,439 --> 01:36:55,360
Speaker 15: started watching film. You know, you obviously have a pretty

1812
01:36:55,400 --> 01:36:57,360
Speaker 15: good idea of who's going to be up available at

1813
01:36:57,400 --> 01:36:59,080
Speaker 15: the top. It does get a little bit more interesting

1814
01:36:59,120 --> 01:37:01,160
Speaker 15: once you get into the one fIF a three hundred range.

1815
01:37:01,200 --> 01:37:03,080
Speaker 15: But yeah, I want to get a very early jump

1816
01:37:03,120 --> 01:37:05,960
Speaker 15: on it. I know Bills fans probably hoped they weren't

1817
01:37:05,960 --> 01:37:08,960
Speaker 15: thinking about this at all until mid February, but you know,

1818
01:37:09,080 --> 01:37:11,559
Speaker 15: only two teams left that aren't thinking about free agency

1819
01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:13,639
Speaker 15: in the draft. So yeah, it's been already been about

1820
01:37:13,680 --> 01:37:16,040
Speaker 15: three months of watching film and looking at the data

1821
01:37:16,080 --> 01:37:17,160
Speaker 15: and getting ready for the offseason.

1822
01:37:17,400 --> 01:37:18,920
Speaker 3: One of the things as well, is that you know,

1823
01:37:18,960 --> 01:37:20,479
Speaker 3: we kind of get caught up in the moment, and

1824
01:37:20,479 --> 01:37:24,160
Speaker 3: certainly the top defense, the top free agent in your mind,

1825
01:37:24,520 --> 01:37:27,360
Speaker 3: is still playing. He's one of the Kansasite Chiefs in

1826
01:37:27,520 --> 01:37:30,360
Speaker 3: Chris Jones, and there's a little bit of that for everybody.

1827
01:37:30,400 --> 01:37:32,320
Speaker 3: I think the guys that are still good enough to

1828
01:37:32,400 --> 01:37:34,759
Speaker 3: keep their teams in it are kind of the most

1829
01:37:34,840 --> 01:37:37,680
Speaker 3: coveted guys, not only for the ability to play, but

1830
01:37:37,760 --> 01:37:41,679
Speaker 3: also playoff experience, Super Bowl experience, playing in the big

1831
01:37:41,720 --> 01:37:45,439
Speaker 3: moments and shining through What do you what are some

1832
01:37:45,520 --> 01:37:48,719
Speaker 3: of the most notable guys you think will absolutely change

1833
01:37:48,720 --> 01:37:51,720
Speaker 3: teams this year that could make a huge difference for

1834
01:37:51,840 --> 01:37:54,120
Speaker 3: where they're going. If you can think.

1835
01:37:54,080 --> 01:37:55,880
Speaker 15: One big one you're touching on the guys that were

1836
01:37:55,880 --> 01:37:58,799
Speaker 15: still playing. He was playing yesterday, and that's Baltimore Ravens

1837
01:37:58,840 --> 01:38:01,840
Speaker 15: and tier defender Justin Mett. I'm sure the Ravens are

1838
01:38:01,840 --> 01:38:04,000
Speaker 15: gonna push very, very hard to bring him back, but

1839
01:38:04,280 --> 01:38:06,840
Speaker 15: they do have a lot of big roster, big contracts

1840
01:38:06,880 --> 01:38:10,479
Speaker 15: across their roster. He had maybe the most beneficial year

1841
01:38:10,800 --> 01:38:13,520
Speaker 15: that any player had in terms of boosting their value.

1842
01:38:13,600 --> 01:38:16,160
Speaker 15: You know, second team All Pro, set career highs and

1843
01:38:16,520 --> 01:38:20,160
Speaker 15: quarterback pressure sacks, quarterback hits. His pass RUF win rate

1844
01:38:20,280 --> 01:38:23,280
Speaker 15: almost doubled from prior years and also always been very

1845
01:38:23,280 --> 01:38:26,000
Speaker 15: good against the run. You see backside pursuit plays you

1846
01:38:26,000 --> 01:38:28,160
Speaker 15: see effort plays late in the shock clock from him

1847
01:38:28,200 --> 01:38:30,080
Speaker 15: on tape. So he's a guy where I think he

1848
01:38:30,120 --> 01:38:32,960
Speaker 15: shows up and changes the entire dynamic of your interior.

1849
01:38:33,000 --> 01:38:35,479
Speaker 15: And you know, I do think Baltimore is gonna push

1850
01:38:35,560 --> 01:38:37,320
Speaker 15: very hard to retain him. But if he is that

1851
01:38:37,360 --> 01:38:39,280
Speaker 15: guy that makes it to the market, I think we'll

1852
01:38:39,280 --> 01:38:40,920
Speaker 15: have a massive impact wherever he goes.

1853
01:38:41,520 --> 01:38:44,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we've got a Bill's cap situation here that

1854
01:38:44,680 --> 01:38:48,280
Speaker 2: they've got to clean up first. And you know, Brandon

1855
01:38:48,320 --> 01:38:50,919
Speaker 2: Bean last week and addressing the media pretty much admitted

1856
01:38:50,920 --> 01:38:53,240
Speaker 2: that they will have to try to kick the can

1857
01:38:53,320 --> 01:38:55,120
Speaker 2: down the road a little bit. He never wants to

1858
01:38:55,160 --> 01:38:57,840
Speaker 2: overload himself in that situation, but he'll have to move

1859
01:38:57,920 --> 01:39:01,760
Speaker 2: some money into future years with some cost prohibitive contracts.

1860
01:39:01,760 --> 01:39:05,480
Speaker 2: There are certainly players that are, you know, good candidates

1861
01:39:05,479 --> 01:39:08,599
Speaker 2: for extensions, like a Dion Dawkins who's only twenty nine,

1862
01:39:08,840 --> 01:39:12,960
Speaker 2: among others. But the bottom line is, even after doing

1863
01:39:13,000 --> 01:39:15,000
Speaker 2: all that, they're going to have to be very cost

1864
01:39:15,120 --> 01:39:19,400
Speaker 2: conscious as they venture into free agency this offseason. But

1865
01:39:19,520 --> 01:39:23,680
Speaker 2: from a sheer numbers standpoint eight of their twelve defensive

1866
01:39:23,720 --> 01:39:26,840
Speaker 2: linemen on the roster are free agents. From a sheer

1867
01:39:26,920 --> 01:39:29,519
Speaker 2: number standpoint, they're going to have to address that position

1868
01:39:29,600 --> 01:39:34,360
Speaker 2: in free agency as well as the draft. So I guess,

1869
01:39:34,120 --> 01:39:38,520
Speaker 2: for lack of a better term, what might be considered

1870
01:39:38,640 --> 01:39:43,000
Speaker 2: some good value players that maybe aren't signing in the

1871
01:39:43,040 --> 01:39:45,439
Speaker 2: first wave of free agency when the big money's getting

1872
01:39:45,479 --> 01:39:48,479
Speaker 2: thrown around. That could make sense, you know, for the

1873
01:39:48,520 --> 01:39:52,240
Speaker 2: Bills come the third week of free agency, perhaps or

1874
01:39:52,280 --> 01:39:53,599
Speaker 2: even late in the second week.

1875
01:39:54,720 --> 01:39:56,640
Speaker 15: Yeah, and now, honestly is how you should approach it,

1876
01:39:56,760 --> 01:39:58,840
Speaker 15: especially if you're already a good team that has marquee

1877
01:39:58,840 --> 01:40:01,200
Speaker 15: players at the premium position. And so I would start

1878
01:40:01,200 --> 01:40:02,680
Speaker 15: first in house. You know, I know he missed a

1879
01:40:02,720 --> 01:40:05,479
Speaker 15: lot of the season, but Dakwan Jones was phenomenal the

1880
01:40:05,520 --> 01:40:08,080
Speaker 15: first month or so of this season, actually led all

1881
01:40:08,120 --> 01:40:10,880
Speaker 15: into your defenders with twenty one percent pass rush win rate,

1882
01:40:10,960 --> 01:40:14,240
Speaker 15: which is like elite edge rusher type number. So see

1883
01:40:14,240 --> 01:40:16,000
Speaker 15: if you can bring him back a good five tech

1884
01:40:16,040 --> 01:40:18,360
Speaker 15: and kick inside a little bit as well. Pretty good

1885
01:40:18,400 --> 01:40:21,000
Speaker 15: against the run obviously up there in age. So not

1886
01:40:21,040 --> 01:40:23,080
Speaker 15: going to break the bank like you're saying, but a

1887
01:40:23,200 --> 01:40:25,280
Speaker 15: very very good football player. There's a couple of guys

1888
01:40:25,479 --> 01:40:28,320
Speaker 15: maybe you poach from your division. Andrew Van Ginkle stepped

1889
01:40:28,360 --> 01:40:30,439
Speaker 15: up at Miami when they lost Bradley Chubb and Jalen

1890
01:40:30,479 --> 01:40:34,080
Speaker 15: Phillips to injury. Unfortunately got hurt himself as well at

1891
01:40:34,080 --> 01:40:36,000
Speaker 15: the very end of the year, but expected to be back,

1892
01:40:36,120 --> 01:40:38,080
Speaker 15: you know by Mini camp and all those things, and

1893
01:40:38,560 --> 01:40:41,480
Speaker 15: really really always been a very good run defender. He's undersized,

1894
01:40:41,520 --> 01:40:44,160
Speaker 15: but a good you know, pursuit in space. Not really

1895
01:40:44,160 --> 01:40:46,599
Speaker 15: shedding blocks, but is like knowing where to be good

1896
01:40:46,640 --> 01:40:49,639
Speaker 15: first step, good instinct, so you may not taking on blocks,

1897
01:40:49,640 --> 01:40:52,320
Speaker 15: but a good run defender in space, backside pursuits again,

1898
01:40:52,600 --> 01:40:54,880
Speaker 15: but really took a step this year in winning one

1899
01:40:54,920 --> 01:40:58,160
Speaker 15: on one matchups getting home, not just because of all

1900
01:40:58,160 --> 01:41:01,200
Speaker 15: those guys I mentioned, but all so because he himself

1901
01:41:01,760 --> 01:41:03,400
Speaker 15: kind of grew through the course of the year. A

1902
01:41:03,400 --> 01:41:05,320
Speaker 15: couple of their names I think tell your tart. But

1903
01:41:05,360 --> 01:41:08,000
Speaker 15: an interesting year in Tennessee kind of pushed his way out,

1904
01:41:08,080 --> 01:41:10,160
Speaker 15: wasn't playing as much as he wanted to or being

1905
01:41:10,200 --> 01:41:12,920
Speaker 15: deployed how he wanted to. But goes to Houston, Texans

1906
01:41:12,920 --> 01:41:15,400
Speaker 15: as a waiver pickup, plays very very good football down

1907
01:41:15,400 --> 01:41:17,679
Speaker 15: the stretch for them. He's a guy on the interior

1908
01:41:17,880 --> 01:41:20,320
Speaker 15: as good of a run defender at that age right now,

1909
01:41:20,360 --> 01:41:22,559
Speaker 15: as you're probably gonna get on the open market. Big

1910
01:41:22,600 --> 01:41:25,800
Speaker 15: physical can win on the interior good at you know,

1911
01:41:25,880 --> 01:41:28,519
Speaker 15: stunts and twists and things like that to get a

1912
01:41:28,520 --> 01:41:30,599
Speaker 15: free rush at the quarterback. So those are a couple

1913
01:41:30,600 --> 01:41:32,280
Speaker 15: of guys that I think, like you said, not going

1914
01:41:32,320 --> 01:41:35,479
Speaker 15: to be signing on March thirteenth, maybe March thirtieth. That

1915
01:41:35,560 --> 01:41:37,439
Speaker 15: really could make a difference for the Buffalo Bills.

1916
01:41:37,840 --> 01:41:39,519
Speaker 3: And we always look at this as, wow, this is

1917
01:41:39,560 --> 01:41:42,360
Speaker 3: a chance for others, some teams around the league, perhaps

1918
01:41:42,400 --> 01:41:44,400
Speaker 3: not Buffalo because they're kind of in this salary cap

1919
01:41:44,600 --> 01:41:48,280
Speaker 3: deficit right now, but just a chance. You always think about, wow,

1920
01:41:48,320 --> 01:41:50,240
Speaker 3: some teams could get really good because there you go

1921
01:41:50,280 --> 01:41:52,679
Speaker 3: down even your list of the top one fifties, like, wow,

1922
01:41:52,760 --> 01:41:56,280
Speaker 3: there's there's a ton of really notable players that are

1923
01:41:56,280 --> 01:41:59,240
Speaker 3: going to be free agents. So a lot of teams

1924
01:41:59,240 --> 01:42:01,640
Speaker 3: could get better. Now, I'm gonna ask you on the

1925
01:42:01,640 --> 01:42:03,519
Speaker 3: other end of it, what team I mean? Is there

1926
01:42:03,520 --> 01:42:06,160
Speaker 3: a team because the Bills, like eight of their twelve

1927
01:42:06,600 --> 01:42:10,080
Speaker 3: defensive linemen are gone or not under contract, what team

1928
01:42:10,160 --> 01:42:12,960
Speaker 3: is gonna be hurt? Maybe it is the Bills worse

1929
01:42:13,000 --> 01:42:16,000
Speaker 3: than any other by the sheer attrition because of the

1930
01:42:16,000 --> 01:42:16,639
Speaker 3: free agents.

1931
01:42:17,800 --> 01:42:19,760
Speaker 15: Yeah, the Bills probably are on that list if I

1932
01:42:19,800 --> 01:42:21,639
Speaker 15: had to pick. They obviously have a lot of good players,

1933
01:42:21,680 --> 01:42:25,479
Speaker 15: even good rotational pieces. Ajfanessa took steps this year also

1934
01:42:25,520 --> 01:42:28,720
Speaker 15: appending free agents, So I think they are certainly unfortunately

1935
01:42:29,240 --> 01:42:31,120
Speaker 15: on that list. But I guess in good news. I

1936
01:42:31,120 --> 01:42:33,400
Speaker 15: think two other teams in the division we talked about

1937
01:42:33,400 --> 01:42:36,640
Speaker 15: Miami Christian Wilkins also a possibility, did not get an

1938
01:42:36,680 --> 01:42:39,720
Speaker 15: extension done. Miami has a bunch of huge contracts that

1939
01:42:39,720 --> 01:42:42,200
Speaker 15: they need to figure out going forward, and maybe he

1940
01:42:42,600 --> 01:42:44,479
Speaker 15: makes it to the market, coming off again a year

1941
01:42:44,479 --> 01:42:47,519
Speaker 15: where he just exploded as a pass rusher, been one

1942
01:42:47,520 --> 01:42:50,080
Speaker 15: of the best run defenders in the entire NFL. Led

1943
01:42:50,080 --> 01:42:53,040
Speaker 15: the NFL in defensive stops against the run over the

1944
01:42:53,080 --> 01:42:54,920
Speaker 15: last couple of seasons. So and then a team that

1945
01:42:55,000 --> 01:42:57,439
Speaker 15: wasn't good, the New England Patriots quietly have a lot

1946
01:42:57,479 --> 01:43:01,280
Speaker 15: of important pieces, you know, safety, Kyle Dugart, tackle slash guard,

1947
01:43:01,320 --> 01:43:02,200
Speaker 15: Michael Onwinnu.

1948
01:43:02,560 --> 01:43:03,200
Speaker 4: You go down the list.

1949
01:43:03,200 --> 01:43:05,559
Speaker 15: Trent Brown at tackle obviously got to miss his time

1950
01:43:05,600 --> 01:43:08,120
Speaker 15: here and there, but a good player when he does play.

1951
01:43:08,280 --> 01:43:11,040
Speaker 15: Hendrick Bourne probably their best wide receiver on the roster

1952
01:43:11,120 --> 01:43:13,559
Speaker 15: when healthy. This year, they're losing a lot of talent

1953
01:43:13,640 --> 01:43:15,840
Speaker 15: for a team that is picking third overall.

1954
01:43:16,000 --> 01:43:19,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you know for Buffalo, they're gonna have

1955
01:43:19,040 --> 01:43:23,160
Speaker 2: to fill in places where they can probably use budgetary signings.

1956
01:43:23,160 --> 01:43:24,920
Speaker 2: Brandon Bean's been a big fan of the one year

1957
01:43:25,000 --> 01:43:29,880
Speaker 2: contracts to kind of mitigate long range costs, and he's

1958
01:43:29,920 --> 01:43:33,080
Speaker 2: done that at running back, he's done that at linebacker.

1959
01:43:34,000 --> 01:43:35,960
Speaker 2: Might be in a position to do that again, knowing

1960
01:43:36,000 --> 01:43:40,280
Speaker 2: those contracts are all turning over. Ty Johnson was a

1961
01:43:40,320 --> 01:43:43,000
Speaker 2: player that was a pleasant surprise for them. As a

1962
01:43:43,040 --> 01:43:46,439
Speaker 2: matter of fact, he supplanted Latavius Murray towards the end

1963
01:43:46,439 --> 01:43:48,640
Speaker 2: of the year when Murray's legs kind of went on

1964
01:43:48,720 --> 01:43:51,360
Speaker 2: him as an age thirty three running back, and Johnson

1965
01:43:51,400 --> 01:43:55,600
Speaker 2: offered far more explosion and speed at the position. I

1966
01:43:55,600 --> 01:44:00,439
Speaker 2: would like to think he'd still be relatively affordable, knowing

1967
01:44:00,479 --> 01:44:03,160
Speaker 2: he was playing a secondary role to James Cook, but man,

1968
01:44:03,240 --> 01:44:06,360
Speaker 2: he'd be a good, you know, second part of a

1969
01:44:06,400 --> 01:44:07,240
Speaker 2: one two punch.

1970
01:44:08,320 --> 01:44:09,880
Speaker 15: I think you really saw the faith they had in

1971
01:44:09,960 --> 01:44:12,679
Speaker 15: him even in the playoffs, getting not only early down runs,

1972
01:44:12,720 --> 01:44:14,639
Speaker 15: but also you know, we think of James Cook, especially

1973
01:44:14,640 --> 01:44:16,840
Speaker 15: once Joe Brady took over, started putting him in the

1974
01:44:16,840 --> 01:44:19,240
Speaker 15: slot more lining him up out wide, you know, running

1975
01:44:19,320 --> 01:44:21,519
Speaker 15: choice routes over the middle, but also running legit you know,

1976
01:44:21,600 --> 01:44:24,320
Speaker 15: routes down the sideline, not just wheel routes, and really

1977
01:44:24,360 --> 01:44:26,719
Speaker 15: being used as a receiver. And even Ty Johnson started

1978
01:44:26,760 --> 01:44:29,960
Speaker 15: eating into some of those screen passes, quick outs, things

1979
01:44:30,000 --> 01:44:30,519
Speaker 15: of that nature.

1980
01:44:30,600 --> 01:44:31,280
Speaker 3: I agree with you.

1981
01:44:31,640 --> 01:44:34,800
Speaker 15: Fortunately for Buffalo it's a loaded class at running back,

1982
01:44:34,880 --> 01:44:36,760
Speaker 15: so we know it's a tough position right now to

1983
01:44:36,760 --> 01:44:38,880
Speaker 15: get paid at. You know, when teams are thinking about

1984
01:44:38,920 --> 01:44:42,800
Speaker 15: Saquon Barkley, Josh Jacobs, Tony Pollard, Austin Eckler, your old pal,

1985
01:44:42,920 --> 01:44:44,559
Speaker 15: Zach Moss, like you go on the list of guys

1986
01:44:44,560 --> 01:44:47,680
Speaker 15: that had very good seasons. You know he is on there.

1987
01:44:47,720 --> 01:44:50,880
Speaker 15: Jonathan hit a strong end to the season. But yeah,

1988
01:44:50,920 --> 01:44:52,320
Speaker 15: I don't think you're breaking the bank there.

1989
01:44:52,720 --> 01:44:55,439
Speaker 3: What about at wide receiver the Bills. You know, we're

1990
01:44:55,720 --> 01:44:57,880
Speaker 3: Brownie and I Brownie's going off, he says. Listen, they're

1991
01:44:57,880 --> 01:45:00,040
Speaker 3: gonna get two wide receivers in the first three rounds. No,

1992
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:01,639
Speaker 3: no matter what is getting, that's what I want them.

1993
01:45:02,160 --> 01:45:04,680
Speaker 3: Chisel it in stone. But this is, you know, this

1994
01:45:04,760 --> 01:45:07,320
Speaker 3: is a position that has really blossomed over the last

1995
01:45:07,360 --> 01:45:09,680
Speaker 3: four or five years. The draft has been thick at

1996
01:45:09,720 --> 01:45:11,920
Speaker 3: the top with really good guys who come right in

1997
01:45:11,960 --> 01:45:15,880
Speaker 3: and and contribute right away to really good teams. And

1998
01:45:15,960 --> 01:45:18,120
Speaker 3: it seems to be happening every year. And now of

1999
01:45:18,160 --> 01:45:20,800
Speaker 3: course with free agency, now you've got wide outs on

2000
01:45:20,840 --> 01:45:23,080
Speaker 3: the free agent market. T Higgins to be to name one,

2001
01:45:25,680 --> 01:45:28,080
Speaker 3: give us a name. Now you've already said too that

2002
01:45:28,479 --> 01:45:31,040
Speaker 3: some guys have had, you know, glow up of a

2003
01:45:31,080 --> 01:45:33,080
Speaker 3: glow up of a year. Who's about to have a

2004
01:45:33,120 --> 01:45:35,960
Speaker 3: glow up of a year as a free agent that

2005
01:45:36,200 --> 01:45:39,479
Speaker 3: a team like Buffalo with no cap space, you get

2006
01:45:39,479 --> 01:45:41,439
Speaker 3: a guy for a bargain. But this is a guy

2007
01:45:41,479 --> 01:45:43,759
Speaker 3: that's got an upside that still has yet to be realized.

2008
01:45:44,600 --> 01:45:46,720
Speaker 15: Yeah, so the draft is loaded. So I think it's

2009
01:45:46,720 --> 01:45:48,439
Speaker 15: a pretty sound strategy there too. And I think this

2010
01:45:48,520 --> 01:45:51,000
Speaker 15: is quietly, maybe not quietly, like maybe the biggest need

2011
01:45:51,080 --> 01:45:53,360
Speaker 15: on this team defensive line of course, but you know,

2012
01:45:53,479 --> 01:45:55,320
Speaker 15: more weapons for josh Wan to throw the ball to.

2013
01:45:55,479 --> 01:45:57,519
Speaker 15: So I would say in the higher end when you

2014
01:45:57,560 --> 01:45:59,760
Speaker 15: mentioned the one year contract, the name that jumps out

2015
01:45:59,800 --> 01:46:03,040
Speaker 15: to me is Markuith Brown and Arizona who missed some

2016
01:46:03,120 --> 01:46:04,519
Speaker 15: time in the last couple of years. But when you

2017
01:46:04,560 --> 01:46:07,800
Speaker 15: watch him, still has wiggle, can create separation, a good

2018
01:46:07,800 --> 01:46:10,920
Speaker 15: hands catcher and solid for his size, taking hits over

2019
01:46:10,960 --> 01:46:14,160
Speaker 15: the middle on intermediate crossers and you know, corner routes

2020
01:46:14,200 --> 01:46:15,800
Speaker 15: to the sideline where he gets hit and still holds

2021
01:46:15,800 --> 01:46:18,880
Speaker 15: onto the football. Hasn't been perfect, hasn't been clean, but

2022
01:46:19,000 --> 01:46:21,160
Speaker 15: still a very very good football player in my eyes.

2023
01:46:21,479 --> 01:46:24,160
Speaker 15: Another one for me is Darnell Mooney in Chicago, dealt

2024
01:46:24,160 --> 01:46:26,720
Speaker 15: with injury this year, really had a down year by

2025
01:46:26,720 --> 01:46:28,640
Speaker 15: his standards. Could never get on the same page with

2026
01:46:28,760 --> 01:46:30,880
Speaker 15: Justin Fields, which is, you know, ironic because he had

2027
01:46:30,920 --> 01:46:33,960
Speaker 15: a thousand yards as a second year player when Fields

2028
01:46:34,000 --> 01:46:36,160
Speaker 15: was a rookie, but just things didn't line up for him.

2029
01:46:36,200 --> 01:46:37,840
Speaker 15: I think he makes it to the market. I think

2030
01:46:37,840 --> 01:46:39,960
Speaker 15: it's a huge bilow. I think he has a number

2031
01:46:39,960 --> 01:46:42,560
Speaker 15: two maybe even you know, number three receiver, but a

2032
01:46:42,600 --> 01:46:44,400
Speaker 15: guy in a good offense that I think could pop

2033
01:46:44,479 --> 01:46:46,639
Speaker 15: up and have a thousand yards kind of out of nowhere.

2034
01:46:46,680 --> 01:46:49,280
Speaker 15: So those are the more I would say, higher end names.

2035
01:46:49,320 --> 01:46:51,799
Speaker 15: But there's other guys too, like we saw Noah Brown

2036
01:46:52,040 --> 01:46:54,280
Speaker 15: in Houston this year have a great season, can play

2037
01:46:54,320 --> 01:46:56,639
Speaker 15: in the slot can play out wide. Was good in Dallas,

2038
01:46:56,760 --> 01:46:59,519
Speaker 15: was good in Houston. Nick Westbrook a Kine brings kind

2039
01:46:59,520 --> 01:47:02,280
Speaker 15: of that down field field stretcher depending on what happens

2040
01:47:02,280 --> 01:47:04,200
Speaker 15: with Gabe Davis. You know, a guy in Tennessee that

2041
01:47:04,240 --> 01:47:06,479
Speaker 15: can run block very well is not going to complain

2042
01:47:06,520 --> 01:47:08,559
Speaker 15: if he gets two targets a game and can make

2043
01:47:08,600 --> 01:47:11,200
Speaker 15: some of those you know, thirty yard catches downfield at

2044
01:47:11,240 --> 01:47:12,040
Speaker 15: key moments.

2045
01:47:12,439 --> 01:47:15,320
Speaker 2: And then the safety position in the secondary at large

2046
01:47:15,360 --> 01:47:17,360
Speaker 2: is going to be interesting for Buffalo because you could

2047
01:47:17,400 --> 01:47:21,519
Speaker 2: have players that have been a foundational pieces, you know

2048
01:47:21,560 --> 01:47:24,000
Speaker 2: in the McDermott era aging out. We don't know what

2049
01:47:24,040 --> 01:47:26,200
Speaker 2: the future of Micah Hyde's career is going to be,

2050
01:47:26,280 --> 01:47:28,519
Speaker 2: whether he's just going to call it or whether he's

2051
01:47:28,520 --> 01:47:31,600
Speaker 2: going to try to still play, So that's up in

2052
01:47:31,640 --> 01:47:35,320
Speaker 2: the air. At age thirty three, Jordan Poyer could become

2053
01:47:35,360 --> 01:47:38,200
Speaker 2: a cap casualty if they're really up against it. And

2054
01:47:38,280 --> 01:47:40,240
Speaker 2: you have Taylor Rapp who's a free agent, but I

2055
01:47:40,240 --> 01:47:42,840
Speaker 2: think showed some things and is only twenty six years old.

2056
01:47:43,240 --> 01:47:46,320
Speaker 2: My question to you, though, Brad, is we saw how

2057
01:47:46,960 --> 01:47:52,320
Speaker 2: supply far outpaced demand at the safety position last year,

2058
01:47:52,360 --> 01:47:55,800
Speaker 2: where it was Basically, Jesse Bates got his and not

2059
01:47:55,840 --> 01:47:58,559
Speaker 2: too many other guys did. They had to take less money.

2060
01:47:58,760 --> 01:48:01,760
Speaker 2: Jordan Poyer being one of those examples last offseason and

2061
01:48:01,800 --> 01:48:03,320
Speaker 2: he comes back to the Bills when I don't think

2062
01:48:03,360 --> 01:48:05,080
Speaker 2: anybody thought he would do.

2063
01:48:05,200 --> 01:48:05,800
Speaker 3: You see a.

2064
01:48:05,760 --> 01:48:09,800
Speaker 2: Similar pool in terms of depth of supply at the

2065
01:48:09,840 --> 01:48:13,839
Speaker 2: safety position again this offseason, and could that create value

2066
01:48:13,880 --> 01:48:15,400
Speaker 2: that the Bills can take advantage of?

2067
01:48:15,439 --> 01:48:18,080
Speaker 15: There no doubt about it. It's a bit of a

2068
01:48:18,080 --> 01:48:19,840
Speaker 15: trend now going back a bunch of years. You know,

2069
01:48:19,840 --> 01:48:21,960
Speaker 15: I think outside of the difference making guys that can

2070
01:48:21,960 --> 01:48:24,280
Speaker 15: come down in the box and make plays or like

2071
01:48:24,320 --> 01:48:26,559
Speaker 15: a Jesse Bates can get you four or five interceptions

2072
01:48:26,600 --> 01:48:29,080
Speaker 15: a year, making great plays, good ball skills, there are

2073
01:48:29,080 --> 01:48:31,880
Speaker 15: a lot of very quality, you know, starting talent or

2074
01:48:31,920 --> 01:48:34,640
Speaker 15: safeties that still reach the market probably want to get

2075
01:48:34,720 --> 01:48:37,080
Speaker 15: more and then they ultimately signed for And is no

2076
01:48:37,160 --> 01:48:39,200
Speaker 15: different this year. So I mean I could rattle off

2077
01:48:39,240 --> 01:48:41,880
Speaker 15: ten names here, but you know, Mike Edwards in Kansas City,

2078
01:48:42,040 --> 01:48:43,920
Speaker 15: they've been rotating a lot of safeties. They play some

2079
01:48:44,120 --> 01:48:46,759
Speaker 15: big nickel, big dime type packages. He's been that third

2080
01:48:46,800 --> 01:48:50,360
Speaker 15: safety always makes plays on the ball. His like interceptions

2081
01:48:50,360 --> 01:48:52,120
Speaker 15: per snap play. It is a fake stat of making

2082
01:48:52,200 --> 01:48:53,559
Speaker 15: up on the fly here, but god to be one

2083
01:48:53,560 --> 01:48:54,760
Speaker 15: of the highest in the NFL.

2084
01:48:54,520 --> 01:48:55,439
Speaker 3: The last couple of years.

2085
01:48:55,640 --> 01:48:58,000
Speaker 15: He's an interesting talent. I think Deshaun Elliott in the

2086
01:48:58,040 --> 01:49:01,000
Speaker 15: division had a very good year in Miami. Me another

2087
01:49:01,000 --> 01:49:02,720
Speaker 15: guy that you put on the back end. I think

2088
01:49:02,720 --> 01:49:05,240
Speaker 15: wo pairwell ef ployer, does stay as more of your

2089
01:49:05,240 --> 01:49:08,280
Speaker 15: box hook curl defender and you had the reliable guy

2090
01:49:08,280 --> 01:49:10,640
Speaker 15: in the back end. Jordan White had more of a

2091
01:49:10,680 --> 01:49:13,160
Speaker 15: diverse skill set, can be that deep third free safety,

2092
01:49:13,400 --> 01:49:15,439
Speaker 15: can also come down to the box, good against the run,

2093
01:49:15,800 --> 01:49:18,040
Speaker 15: you know, runs the alley, not afraid to get physical.

2094
01:49:18,280 --> 01:49:20,320
Speaker 15: So maybe have more of a mix and match skill set.

2095
01:49:20,439 --> 01:49:21,800
Speaker 15: One more than him, I'll throw out, but we could

2096
01:49:21,840 --> 01:49:23,920
Speaker 15: sit here and talk about safeties all day is Julian

2097
01:49:23,920 --> 01:49:26,519
Speaker 15: Blackman with the Indianapolis Cults, who I just find is

2098
01:49:26,560 --> 01:49:29,160
Speaker 15: a fascinating profile because his first couple of years he

2099
01:49:29,240 --> 01:49:33,080
Speaker 15: was almost always that deep third Gus Bradley cover three safety.

2100
01:49:33,479 --> 01:49:35,160
Speaker 15: This year they brought him down. He put about seven

2101
01:49:35,200 --> 01:49:37,920
Speaker 15: hundred snaps in the box, had a bunch of you know,

2102
01:49:38,040 --> 01:49:42,200
Speaker 15: highlight plays, great interceptions, pass breakups. What was more physical

2103
01:49:42,240 --> 01:49:44,519
Speaker 15: than we thought. And what I love about him too

2104
01:49:44,600 --> 01:49:47,160
Speaker 15: is a former college cornerback. You see that on film.

2105
01:49:47,280 --> 01:49:48,519
Speaker 15: They put him in the slot a little bit. He

2106
01:49:48,560 --> 01:49:50,920
Speaker 15: can mirror pretty well for a safety. He can kind

2107
01:49:50,920 --> 01:49:52,720
Speaker 15: of add some more diversity to your back end.

2108
01:49:52,800 --> 01:49:54,920
Speaker 2: And only twenty five years old and he played almost

2109
01:49:54,960 --> 01:49:56,320
Speaker 2: a thousand snaps last year.

2110
01:49:57,040 --> 01:49:59,400
Speaker 3: Who's not going to get paid this year besides Brownie?

2111
01:49:59,439 --> 01:50:02,760
Speaker 3: And I mean I can imagine, because you know, you

2112
01:50:02,840 --> 01:50:05,600
Speaker 3: see guys like No, Yeah, you see guy like like

2113
01:50:05,640 --> 01:50:08,840
Speaker 3: Odell Beckham had fifteen million dollars one year contract with Baltimore.

2114
01:50:09,880 --> 01:50:11,519
Speaker 3: He didn't live up to it. He did, yeah, and

2115
01:50:12,800 --> 01:50:15,200
Speaker 3: did not get that kind of have that kind of season.

2116
01:50:15,240 --> 01:50:16,880
Speaker 3: What are your thoughts on some of the guys that

2117
01:50:17,080 --> 01:50:20,040
Speaker 3: we may be seeing some notable names on the decline.

2118
01:50:21,240 --> 01:50:24,040
Speaker 15: Yeah, it's a good shout, so it always is gonna happen. Obviously,

2119
01:50:24,120 --> 01:50:24,920
Speaker 15: age is a factor.

2120
01:50:25,040 --> 01:50:25,240
Speaker 3: You know.

2121
01:50:25,720 --> 01:50:28,240
Speaker 15: Kevin Ridley had about one hundred and forty targets this year,

2122
01:50:28,479 --> 01:50:30,800
Speaker 15: only holed in about fifty seven percent of them, had

2123
01:50:30,800 --> 01:50:33,040
Speaker 15: a bunch of drops. I do think he got better

2124
01:50:33,080 --> 01:50:35,479
Speaker 15: as the season went on. The drops are way down.

2125
01:50:35,520 --> 01:50:38,519
Speaker 15: He was creating more separation against man coverage, but I

2126
01:50:38,560 --> 01:50:40,840
Speaker 15: think the thought there initially was he's gonna come in

2127
01:50:40,880 --> 01:50:42,800
Speaker 15: and still be like an X, like you know, up

2128
01:50:42,800 --> 01:50:45,360
Speaker 15: against the Alban Laona scrimmage receiver. I think he's more

2129
01:50:45,400 --> 01:50:47,360
Speaker 15: of a move Z type guy now and you create

2130
01:50:47,439 --> 01:50:49,760
Speaker 15: free releases for him. He's still a good athlete, can

2131
01:50:49,760 --> 01:50:52,360
Speaker 15: catch the ball down field. But he'll get paid. I

2132
01:50:52,400 --> 01:50:54,720
Speaker 15: just don't think he's gonna get that monster payday that

2133
01:50:54,800 --> 01:50:56,840
Speaker 15: maybe where he was hoping for once he came back

2134
01:50:56,880 --> 01:50:58,880
Speaker 15: into the fold, so he's won there.

2135
01:50:59,439 --> 01:51:01,360
Speaker 3: Otherwise, I think it's pretty standard.

2136
01:51:01,400 --> 01:51:03,320
Speaker 15: Right, You're gonna have the top of market guys and

2137
01:51:03,360 --> 01:51:05,679
Speaker 15: then the market's gonna kind of shrink for that middle tier.

2138
01:51:06,200 --> 01:51:07,960
Speaker 15: But he's one where he'll get a deal. I just

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Speaker 15: don't don't think it's gonna be a great deal.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd probably put Ryan Tannehill in that category too.

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Speaker 2: He's probably going to become a backup quarterback in this

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Speaker 2: league unless there's some team that is supremely deft.

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Speaker 3: He's not making twenty nine. Yeah, I'm asking though, is

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Speaker 3: there a team like a Seattle Seahawks who could use

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Speaker 3: a Ryan Tannehill, or if maybe a Ryan Tannell goes

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Speaker 3: to one of the other AFC South teams, and I mean,

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Speaker 3: he's not gonna go play for CJ. Stroud or maybe

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Speaker 3: not Anthony Richardson or one of the other teams in

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Speaker 3: the AFC where he can either be a backup or

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Speaker 3: be a mentor to one of the young guys coming out.

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Speaker 3: This quarterback draft is coming up, and maybe there's a

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Speaker 3: team out there that doesn't want to throw one of

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Speaker 3: those guys to the Wolves because their roster isn't up

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Speaker 3: to it.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, there are, maybe, fortunately for him, a bunch of teams.

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Speaker 15: I do think it's more of a bridge type deal now,

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Speaker 15: like and Andy Dalton taking two years ten million to

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Speaker 15: go to Carolina for example. But you look at the

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Speaker 15: draft right you have Minnesota picking at eleven if they

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Speaker 15: don't bring back Kirk Cousins. The Raiders are at thirteen,

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Speaker 15: the Broncos are at fourteen, like teams that I don't

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Speaker 15: think are going to risk, you know, just not having

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Speaker 15: an answer there, not going the commander's route and kind

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01:52:07,640 --> 01:52:09,720
Speaker 15: of just seeing what they have, but say, hey, let's

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Speaker 15: bring in a high floor starting guy that can be

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Speaker 15: a bridge to a rookie pick or maybe even just

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Speaker 15: starts for a year that we draft next year, he'll

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Speaker 15: have options, but I agree he's not making a twenty

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Speaker 15: seven million dollar salary in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 3: Yeah right, Brad.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for helping us take a first look at the

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01:52:25,840 --> 01:52:28,080
Speaker 2: free agent market that will be coming down the pike

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01:52:28,120 --> 01:52:29,960
Speaker 2: here before we know it. We appreciate you getting a

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Speaker 2: schooled up on that. We'll catch up with you down

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Speaker 2: the line here in the offseason.

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Speaker 15: Sounds great, Thank you, guys, Brads.

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Speaker 2: Brad Spielberger, pro football focused free agent analysts. He's cut

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Speaker 2: it left, right and center. As you heard him say.

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Speaker 2: He got started on this in November because I was like,

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Speaker 2: how do you have a list this comprehensive already? We're

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01:52:48,000 --> 01:52:50,599
Speaker 2: still a month away, more than a month away from,

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01:52:50,720 --> 01:52:53,200
Speaker 2: like six weeks away from the free agent market opening up,

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01:52:53,520 --> 01:52:56,839
Speaker 2: so it'll be interesting to see who actually is available

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01:52:56,840 --> 01:52:58,960
Speaker 2: by the time we get there. We got perspective free

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01:52:59,000 --> 01:53:01,439
Speaker 2: agents out the wazoo, but some of these guys may

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Speaker 2: resign with their current clubs and never make it to

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Speaker 2: the market.

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Speaker 3: Just have to wait and see on that.

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Speaker 2: We want to get back to the phones at eight

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Speaker 2: oh three h five fifty one eighty eight five fifty

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Speaker 2: two five fifty then I'm going to get on board

2192
01:53:13,560 --> 01:53:16,200
Speaker 2: is we're asking you what stamp do you expect offensive

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01:53:16,200 --> 01:53:19,080
Speaker 2: coordinator Joe Brady to put on the Bills offense next fall?

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01:53:19,400 --> 01:53:22,280
Speaker 2: Now that he is the full time guy, we go

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Speaker 2: to Judy in Buffalo next What do you got for

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Speaker 2: his Judy?

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Speaker 16: Well, I hope he has some impact. This is a

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01:53:30,000 --> 01:53:36,519
Speaker 16: man who experienced Burrow, Chase and Jefferson at LSU. I

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Speaker 16: don't think he was the head coach or anything, but

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01:53:39,439 --> 01:53:43,400
Speaker 16: he knew what it takes to win. We have the quarterback,

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Speaker 16: we do not have the receivers. I don't see anybody

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Speaker 16: in free agency. I know, maybe maybe we'll be lucky

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Speaker 16: and get somebody in the first round. About I'm hoping

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01:53:53,320 --> 01:53:57,519
Speaker 16: he can bring his acumen to get us somebody. I

2205
01:53:57,560 --> 01:54:00,360
Speaker 16: think part of the problem with day Ball was they

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01:54:00,400 --> 01:54:03,559
Speaker 16: never listened to him when he said he needed help

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01:54:03,600 --> 01:54:04,320
Speaker 16: on the offense.

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Speaker 12: You know.

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Speaker 16: Getting back to Burle, I think Burle and his three receivers,

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Speaker 16: if he can keep them, are bigger threat to us

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01:54:13,040 --> 01:54:16,439
Speaker 16: in Kansas City. So I hope Joel Brady can make

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Speaker 16: some sort of impact on the draft.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's a good one. And I hear what

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01:54:23,360 --> 01:54:27,360
Speaker 3: you're saying judy. But it's my understanding that's not how

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01:54:27,400 --> 01:54:31,800
Speaker 3: it works. The have input in me. Of course, he'll

2216
01:54:31,800 --> 01:54:34,640
Speaker 3: have a voice in the room about which guy he

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01:54:34,800 --> 01:54:36,920
Speaker 3: likes better than whatever guy, but he will not be

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01:54:36,960 --> 01:54:39,160
Speaker 3: able to say, you know, I mean he can he

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01:54:39,160 --> 01:54:41,080
Speaker 3: can jump up on the table, pound the table for

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Speaker 3: a guy, but if they're not taking a person at

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01:54:44,760 --> 01:54:49,560
Speaker 3: that position, they don't want to hear it. Here's how

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01:54:49,600 --> 01:54:54,240
Speaker 3: it usually works in the NFL. The head coach chooses

2223
01:54:54,280 --> 01:54:57,040
Speaker 3: who plays on Sunday, chooses the coaching staff chooses you know,

2224
01:54:57,080 --> 01:54:59,360
Speaker 3: who's up and down and active and inactive. He does

2225
01:54:59,360 --> 01:55:00,800
Speaker 3: that with the help of it staff and all of

2226
01:55:00,800 --> 01:55:02,600
Speaker 3: that and all of the conversation he goes on in there.

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01:55:02,760 --> 01:55:05,600
Speaker 3: But the fifty three guys that he chooses from are

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01:55:05,680 --> 01:55:08,480
Speaker 3: picked solely by the general manager. But in this case,

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01:55:08,520 --> 01:55:14,720
Speaker 3: Brandon Bean. Brandon drafts, he assembles the players, he assembles

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01:55:14,760 --> 01:55:17,640
Speaker 3: the roster, he pays the guys, decides what they're gonna pay,

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Speaker 3: what they're gonna make, and then he gives all of

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01:55:20,240 --> 01:55:24,280
Speaker 3: those guys to Sean McDermott, and Sean gets to choose

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01:55:24,280 --> 01:55:26,280
Speaker 3: who plays and who doesn't and game plan and all

2234
01:55:26,360 --> 01:55:27,680
Speaker 3: that and with the kind of offense and the kind

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01:55:27,680 --> 01:55:29,240
Speaker 3: of defense he's gonna run from the fifty three that

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Speaker 3: he gets from Brandon Bean. Now, they obviously have really

2237
01:55:32,440 --> 01:55:35,200
Speaker 3: intimate conversations about listen, I need this kind of guy,

2238
01:55:35,200 --> 01:55:37,680
Speaker 3: I need that kind of guy. And Brandon will say listen,

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01:55:37,680 --> 01:55:40,120
Speaker 3: do you like this guy or that guy? And Sean

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Speaker 3: can say I like that guy over that, you know

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Speaker 3: that kind of stuff. All those conversations are had constantly

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Speaker 3: and ongoing. But the voice in the room that matters

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01:55:49,480 --> 01:55:53,320
Speaker 3: behind Terry Bogula is Brandon Bean. He's the guy that

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01:55:53,360 --> 01:55:56,040
Speaker 3: accumulates it. He's the guy that listens to the scouting staff,

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01:55:56,440 --> 01:55:58,840
Speaker 3: the pro scouts, the college scouts who come in and say, listen,

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01:55:58,920 --> 01:56:00,920
Speaker 3: this guy, this guy, this guy is this, this guy's that.

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01:56:01,000 --> 01:56:03,320
Speaker 2: And he's done homework himself to make his own opinion right.

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01:56:03,360 --> 01:56:05,920
Speaker 3: And he watches film too, and he has meetings with

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01:56:05,960 --> 01:56:07,640
Speaker 3: all the scouts say why do you think this about

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Speaker 3: this guy? He goes, well, look, come here, I'll show

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01:56:09,080 --> 01:56:11,400
Speaker 3: you and now watch film together and say look at this,

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01:56:11,520 --> 01:56:13,760
Speaker 3: see this right here. He does this all the time.

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01:56:14,000 --> 01:56:15,520
Speaker 3: This is the kind of guy we want. This is

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01:56:16,320 --> 01:56:20,920
Speaker 3: All those conversations happen so Joe Brady is. He can

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Speaker 3: draw plays up in the dirt. He can put him

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Speaker 3: in formations and all this creative stuff and all the

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01:56:26,200 --> 01:56:30,560
Speaker 3: ex'es and o's you want, But he is only he

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01:56:30,720 --> 01:56:37,000
Speaker 3: is a third tier voice in draft room. That's that's

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01:56:37,040 --> 01:56:41,560
Speaker 3: the way that works. So his he's going to basically

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01:56:41,880 --> 01:56:45,200
Speaker 3: get handed the grocery list and he's got to make

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Speaker 3: a recipe that works. Yeah, I mean, most they hand

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01:56:49,320 --> 01:56:49,920
Speaker 3: him the groceries.

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Speaker 2: Most coaching staffs will get an opportunity within a month

2264
01:56:55,040 --> 01:56:59,560
Speaker 2: of the draft to review tape of specific prospects that

2265
01:56:59,720 --> 01:57:02,920
Speaker 2: the the scouting department and the personnel department will hand

2266
01:57:02,960 --> 01:57:09,200
Speaker 2: them to get opinions and write ups on a handful

2267
01:57:09,280 --> 01:57:12,040
Speaker 2: of players that they may be targeting at specific positions.

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01:57:12,040 --> 01:57:15,600
Speaker 2: So Joe Brady is, the OC may get three quarterbacks

2269
01:57:15,640 --> 01:57:18,720
Speaker 2: to look at, six to eight receivers to look at

2270
01:57:18,960 --> 01:57:22,520
Speaker 2: two to three tight ends, offensive linemen, running backs, etc.

2271
01:57:23,280 --> 01:57:26,000
Speaker 2: And they'll tell Joe, hey, give us your thoughts on

2272
01:57:26,440 --> 01:57:30,600
Speaker 2: these twelve to fifteen players that we like a lot.

2273
01:57:30,760 --> 01:57:32,720
Speaker 2: We'd like to get your opinion on how you might

2274
01:57:32,720 --> 01:57:36,120
Speaker 2: be able to incorporate them into your offensive system. And

2275
01:57:36,760 --> 01:57:39,839
Speaker 2: if the eyes get dotted and the t's get crossed

2276
01:57:39,840 --> 01:57:41,440
Speaker 2: and it all looks good. Well, that might move a

2277
01:57:41,480 --> 01:57:43,800
Speaker 2: guy up the board a couple of spots, because not

2278
01:57:43,840 --> 01:57:46,440
Speaker 2: only does our scouting department like him, but our coaching

2279
01:57:46,480 --> 01:57:49,800
Speaker 2: staff thinks he would work too. That's where it carries

2280
01:57:49,880 --> 01:57:54,320
Speaker 2: the most weight from a coaching perspective. That's where they

2281
01:57:54,360 --> 01:57:56,880
Speaker 2: can exert their influence and put a stamp on a

2282
01:57:56,880 --> 01:58:00,920
Speaker 2: guy and say, yep, that's our guy. He checks box A,

2283
01:58:01,120 --> 01:58:04,000
Speaker 2: box B and box C. He checks our personnel box,

2284
01:58:04,040 --> 01:58:06,320
Speaker 2: he checks our coaching box, and he you know, he

2285
01:58:06,400 --> 01:58:09,080
Speaker 2: checks our teammate box with other players on the roster.

2286
01:58:09,440 --> 01:58:13,760
Speaker 2: That kind of stuff. That's the influence that Brady would

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01:58:13,800 --> 01:58:16,680
Speaker 2: have as an OC on the draft process. As for

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01:58:16,760 --> 01:58:19,800
Speaker 2: t Higgins winding up back in Cincinnati, I don't think

2289
01:58:19,840 --> 01:58:20,720
Speaker 2: you have to worry, Judy.

2290
01:58:21,320 --> 01:58:22,480
Speaker 3: I don't think it's gonna happen.

2291
01:58:22,880 --> 01:58:26,520
Speaker 2: And for this reason mainly, T Higgins is is gonna

2292
01:58:26,520 --> 01:58:28,280
Speaker 2: be one of the most sought after receivers on the

2293
01:58:28,320 --> 01:58:31,240
Speaker 2: open market. There are probably about seven to ten teams

2294
01:58:31,480 --> 01:58:33,880
Speaker 2: that think he could be a number one receiver on

2295
01:58:33,960 --> 01:58:37,040
Speaker 2: their squad, and they may pay him accordingly. That kid's

2296
01:58:37,040 --> 01:58:40,240
Speaker 2: gonna make upwards of twenty million dollars a season, maybe

2297
01:58:40,280 --> 01:58:45,440
Speaker 2: even more. The Bengals can't pay that because guess who

2298
01:58:45,480 --> 01:58:48,560
Speaker 2: they have to pay next year, Jamar Chase, And they

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01:58:48,560 --> 01:58:51,080
Speaker 2: would probably keep Chase over Higgins if they had a

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01:58:51,120 --> 01:58:53,280
Speaker 2: gun held to their head. So I don't think they're

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01:58:53,320 --> 01:58:56,840
Speaker 2: paying T Higgins open market money. So Higgins is going

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Speaker 2: to go out on the open market and probably sign elsewhere,

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01:59:00,440 --> 01:59:04,760
Speaker 2: and that's gonna probably force Cincinnati to also look in

2304
01:59:04,800 --> 01:59:07,720
Speaker 2: the draft for talent to fill that void.

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Speaker 3: So they're gonna be.

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01:59:09,000 --> 01:59:12,360
Speaker 2: A lot of teams that can't pay veteran receivers big

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01:59:12,400 --> 01:59:14,320
Speaker 2: time money, and we'll have to look in the draft

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01:59:14,320 --> 01:59:16,760
Speaker 2: to do so. The Bills are one of those teams

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01:59:17,200 --> 01:59:19,680
Speaker 2: because of their cap situation. The Bengals are one of

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01:59:19,720 --> 01:59:21,480
Speaker 2: those teams because they have to save their money for

2311
01:59:21,560 --> 01:59:23,560
Speaker 2: next year, where they're gonna have to probably pay Jamar

2312
01:59:23,640 --> 01:59:26,800
Speaker 2: Chase thirty million a year. So I don't see them

2313
01:59:26,840 --> 01:59:29,800
Speaker 2: resigning Higgins. So hopefully that puts a smile on your face, Judy,

2314
01:59:30,120 --> 01:59:32,800
Speaker 2: knowing that he's probably not gonna be back there and

2315
01:59:32,920 --> 01:59:36,760
Speaker 2: present the And also Tyler Boyd's a free agent too,

2316
01:59:36,800 --> 01:59:39,480
Speaker 2: their slot receiver, and he may not be back either.

2317
01:59:39,720 --> 01:59:41,640
Speaker 2: He's a little older. Maybe they can afford to keep

2318
01:59:41,720 --> 01:59:44,640
Speaker 2: him in the fold. We'll see, but yeah, that trio

2319
01:59:44,680 --> 01:59:48,240
Speaker 2: of receivers not gonna exist anymore in Cincinnati as we

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01:59:48,320 --> 01:59:49,080
Speaker 2: currently know it.

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Speaker 3: Got to take a break here.

2322
01:59:51,520 --> 01:59:53,800
Speaker 2: We're gonna crack open the tweets sheet though, when we return,

2323
01:59:53,880 --> 01:59:56,480
Speaker 2: want to get your thoughts over there on what stamp

2324
01:59:56,520 --> 01:59:58,680
Speaker 2: you expect Joe Brady to put on the Bills offense

2325
01:59:58,760 --> 02:00:03,120
Speaker 2: this fall now that he is the full time offensive coordinator.

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Speaker 2: Tweets sheet when we get back. But we're taking your

2327
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Speaker 2: phone calls as well. Here on one Bill's Live presented

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Speaker 2: by co Lot of Health. It's Buffalo Bills Radio. All right,

2329
02:00:27,880 --> 02:00:30,760
Speaker 2: we're asking you what stamp you expect Joe Brady to

2330
02:00:30,800 --> 02:00:33,040
Speaker 2: put on the offense this fall now that he's been

2331
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Speaker 2: named full time offensive coordinator. Congrats to him, by the way,

2332
02:00:37,360 --> 02:00:40,040
Speaker 2: did a nice job down the stretch there and got

2333
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Speaker 2: rewarded with the full time position.

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Speaker 3: So happy for him.

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02:00:43,680 --> 02:00:46,080
Speaker 2: And I don't know if people realize this. He is

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Speaker 2: a young coordinator in this league. He's thirty five years old,

2337
02:00:51,280 --> 02:00:53,480
Speaker 2: where he will be turning thirty five here very soon,

2338
02:00:53,480 --> 02:00:54,320
Speaker 2: if he hasn't already.

2339
02:00:54,360 --> 02:00:55,920
Speaker 3: I thought he had a birthday earlier in the year.

2340
02:00:55,920 --> 02:00:56,720
Speaker 3: I'm trying to remember.

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02:00:57,480 --> 02:01:01,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's well young guy, and he relates very well

2342
02:01:01,280 --> 02:01:01,920
Speaker 2: to the players.

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02:01:01,920 --> 02:01:06,000
Speaker 3: You heard coach McDermott mention that the the thing about

2344
02:01:06,040 --> 02:01:09,240
Speaker 3: it is and you always think about this. We've all

2345
02:01:09,240 --> 02:01:11,160
Speaker 3: come to because we think about all this stuff all

2346
02:01:11,160 --> 02:01:14,200
Speaker 3: the time. Brown and I too. You know, depending on

2347
02:01:14,240 --> 02:01:16,360
Speaker 3: the success he has with Josh Allen, how this team

2348
02:01:16,400 --> 02:01:18,600
Speaker 3: goes in the next few years, and he's gonna he's

2349
02:01:18,640 --> 02:01:21,360
Speaker 3: gonna be doing head coaching interviews. Yeah, you know, I mean,

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02:01:21,400 --> 02:01:25,240
Speaker 3: that's just the way it works. That's that's why I

2351
02:01:25,240 --> 02:01:27,400
Speaker 3: don't have a problem. If Sean McDermott keeps the play

2352
02:01:27,400 --> 02:01:29,560
Speaker 3: calling duties on the defensive side, just like Andy Reid

2353
02:01:29,600 --> 02:01:32,000
Speaker 3: keeps him in Kansas City, You're not gonna get your

2354
02:01:32,320 --> 02:01:35,000
Speaker 3: play caller poached because he's the head coach. You're not

2355
02:01:35,040 --> 02:01:36,880
Speaker 3: gonna you know what I mean, defensively or off, you know,

2356
02:01:37,000 --> 02:01:42,360
Speaker 3: off at whichever the case may be. Uh, Buffalo's with Josh, Josh,

2357
02:01:42,400 --> 02:01:46,120
Speaker 3: you're gonna make these guys look really good, and you

2358
02:01:46,160 --> 02:01:51,240
Speaker 3: know you can lose them day ball's gone and that's

2359
02:01:51,320 --> 02:01:53,080
Speaker 3: you know, So that's that's gonna be it. So this

2360
02:01:53,120 --> 02:01:55,800
Speaker 3: guy is only seven years older than Josh though. I mean,

2361
02:01:55,880 --> 02:01:57,880
Speaker 3: think about that. That's good though, you can That's what

2362
02:01:57,920 --> 02:01:58,280
Speaker 3: I'm saying.

2363
02:01:58,320 --> 02:02:00,880
Speaker 2: It is good because you can relate better to the

2364
02:02:00,920 --> 02:02:05,240
Speaker 2: players when you're pretty close in age to them, and

2365
02:02:05,320 --> 02:02:07,440
Speaker 2: coming from the college game, you know, with his time

2366
02:02:07,480 --> 02:02:10,200
Speaker 2: at LSU, I think helps him stay cutting.

2367
02:02:09,960 --> 02:02:11,400
Speaker 3: Edge as well.

2368
02:02:11,600 --> 02:02:14,000
Speaker 2: Let's go to the tweet sheeet though tweet sheet brought

2369
02:02:14,000 --> 02:02:16,560
Speaker 2: to you by Corrigan Moving Systems, the official equipment moving

2370
02:02:16,600 --> 02:02:19,280
Speaker 2: company in the Buffalo Bills, to get some thoughts over

2371
02:02:19,320 --> 02:02:21,720
Speaker 2: there on the stamp. You expect Joe Brady to put

2372
02:02:21,760 --> 02:02:24,600
Speaker 2: on the offense this fall, and Alex says his own

2373
02:02:25,080 --> 02:02:28,880
Speaker 2: people don't realize he was stuck within the constraints of

2374
02:02:29,000 --> 02:02:31,840
Speaker 2: Dorsey's offense. Yeah, I've tried to make that point, you know,

2375
02:02:31,920 --> 02:02:34,040
Speaker 2: saying he had to triage the offense over the last

2376
02:02:34,120 --> 02:02:37,160
Speaker 2: nine games. Now he gets to kind of draw up

2377
02:02:37,200 --> 02:02:40,120
Speaker 2: some of his own ideas that he thinks would fit,

2378
02:02:40,680 --> 02:02:43,720
Speaker 2: you know, the talent on this offense as well. So

2379
02:02:43,760 --> 02:02:46,080
Speaker 2: I do expect change, But as Steve and I were

2380
02:02:46,120 --> 02:02:50,600
Speaker 2: discussing today, I think for continuity steak, he'll continuity sake,

2381
02:02:50,640 --> 02:02:53,000
Speaker 2: He'll probably keep a lot of the terminology the same,

2382
02:02:53,120 --> 02:02:56,440
Speaker 2: even though some of his play calling preferences and concepts

2383
02:02:57,160 --> 02:02:59,440
Speaker 2: might change the look of the offense.

2384
02:03:00,280 --> 02:03:05,000
Speaker 3: You yeah, you know, it's totally totally a creative exercise,

2385
02:03:05,560 --> 02:03:11,480
Speaker 3: and you can you can evolve quicker when everybody already

2386
02:03:11,480 --> 02:03:14,560
Speaker 3: knows the words to the language. And that's so he'll

2387
02:03:14,680 --> 02:03:16,760
Speaker 3: he'll do that as much as he can, but he'll

2388
02:03:16,800 --> 02:03:19,360
Speaker 3: probably you know, uh, that's what happens when you try

2389
02:03:19,400 --> 02:03:21,440
Speaker 3: a new idea. You got to give that idea name

2390
02:03:21,480 --> 02:03:23,880
Speaker 3: so they can call it in a huddle, right, So

2391
02:03:23,920 --> 02:03:25,120
Speaker 3: you got to come up with the new words. And

2392
02:03:25,160 --> 02:03:26,920
Speaker 3: it used to be kind of a fun exercise. Part

2393
02:03:26,960 --> 02:03:29,960
Speaker 3: of it was back in the day you'd have signals

2394
02:03:30,960 --> 02:03:34,000
Speaker 3: and we would signal in place from the sidelines by hand,

2395
02:03:34,560 --> 02:03:37,640
Speaker 3: and we would always have this conversation with the wideouts,

2396
02:03:37,720 --> 02:03:41,160
Speaker 3: running backs and tight ends and quarterbacks like what's this

2397
02:03:41,480 --> 02:03:44,280
Speaker 3: what's the signal going to be for calf and cow?

2398
02:03:44,400 --> 02:03:46,360
Speaker 3: And what's it going to be for you know, right

2399
02:03:46,400 --> 02:03:49,080
Speaker 3: and left? All this stuff. You know strong week, you know,

2400
02:03:49,160 --> 02:03:51,360
Speaker 3: you had all these words that described routes. What's it

2401
02:03:51,400 --> 02:03:53,440
Speaker 3: going to look like? What's the signal for it? So

2402
02:03:53,920 --> 02:03:55,640
Speaker 3: it's always a fun thing, and that's part of the

2403
02:03:55,680 --> 02:03:57,840
Speaker 3: fun of putting in a game plan too. And I

2404
02:03:57,880 --> 02:04:02,240
Speaker 3: remember we had uh Don Shula. I mean he spoke

2405
02:04:02,280 --> 02:04:05,760
Speaker 3: to him, and you know, that's part of why he

2406
02:04:05,800 --> 02:04:09,440
Speaker 3: was able to coach Florenc. He loved the creativity of it,

2407
02:04:09,520 --> 02:04:11,520
Speaker 3: going in and watching films, say hey, let's try this

2408
02:04:11,600 --> 02:04:13,520
Speaker 3: on these guys. That kind of it's that's the fun

2409
02:04:13,560 --> 02:04:17,000
Speaker 3: part about the whole the whole shooting match is that

2410
02:04:17,040 --> 02:04:19,040
Speaker 3: these guys get to come up with their own ideas,

2411
02:04:19,440 --> 02:04:21,720
Speaker 3: put them into practice with guys they love and respect

2412
02:04:21,720 --> 02:04:23,400
Speaker 3: who are on in board with him, and say let's

2413
02:04:23,400 --> 02:04:25,760
Speaker 3: go see if we can make it work. It's real.

2414
02:04:25,880 --> 02:04:28,680
Speaker 3: It's that's why these guys get hooked on this job.

2415
02:04:28,760 --> 02:04:31,760
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, they they it's a lifestyle, man, It's

2416
02:04:32,400 --> 02:04:34,400
Speaker 3: there's a lot in it, and it's a lot of fun.

2417
02:04:35,120 --> 02:04:37,600
Speaker 2: Amy On the tweet, he says learning how to scheme

2418
02:04:37,760 --> 02:04:42,640
Speaker 2: digs open. This was often a criticism when the offense

2419
02:04:42,760 --> 02:04:48,240
Speaker 2: sputtered that it was hard for receivers to get separation.

2420
02:04:49,200 --> 02:04:53,760
Speaker 2: And I remember a few write ups on the critiques

2421
02:04:53,800 --> 02:04:58,280
Speaker 2: of the Bills offense saying nine out of ten times

2422
02:04:59,000 --> 02:05:02,720
Speaker 2: receivers had to win on their own, so they had

2423
02:05:02,760 --> 02:05:06,560
Speaker 2: to run a perfect route to get proper separation to

2424
02:05:06,600 --> 02:05:13,040
Speaker 2: be available for their quarterback under Dorsey, and the thought was, well,

2425
02:05:13,520 --> 02:05:16,160
Speaker 2: your coordinator has to help in that regard too, and

2426
02:05:16,240 --> 02:05:20,320
Speaker 2: maybe scheme players open. We see players in the Dolphins

2427
02:05:20,360 --> 02:05:23,240
Speaker 2: scheme running open all the time. Now, part of that

2428
02:05:23,360 --> 02:05:25,680
Speaker 2: is because Tyreek is the fastest player on the planet,

2429
02:05:26,840 --> 02:05:29,480
Speaker 2: but they do have other people running free quite often,

2430
02:05:29,560 --> 02:05:31,960
Speaker 2: and it's usually because they're playing off of all the

2431
02:05:32,040 --> 02:05:35,360
Speaker 2: attention on Tyreek. But there are coordinators who can scheme

2432
02:05:35,760 --> 02:05:39,520
Speaker 2: receivers open, even if they're not great separators in their

2433
02:05:39,560 --> 02:05:40,080
Speaker 2: skill set.

2434
02:05:40,200 --> 02:05:42,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's not easy. I mean, defenses are designed

2435
02:05:42,680 --> 02:05:44,960
Speaker 3: not to be able to do that right, But some

2436
02:05:45,000 --> 02:05:48,400
Speaker 3: guys are good at it. I think one of the

2437
02:05:48,120 --> 02:05:50,680
Speaker 3: the transitions you have to make when you go from

2438
02:05:50,680 --> 02:05:53,440
Speaker 3: a player to a coach is what kind of player

2439
02:05:53,480 --> 02:05:56,600
Speaker 3: were you? Were you an were you an overcoming Were

2440
02:05:56,600 --> 02:06:00,400
Speaker 3: you a high achiever, overachiever, an overachiever or were you

2441
02:06:00,560 --> 02:06:03,120
Speaker 3: a gifted guy? And where did you go to school?

2442
02:06:03,120 --> 02:06:05,200
Speaker 3: Did you go to school at LSU where you had

2443
02:06:05,520 --> 02:06:08,920
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase and t Higgins and Justin

2444
02:06:09,000 --> 02:06:11,360
Speaker 3: Jefferson as your white outs and you just sit out

2445
02:06:11,360 --> 02:06:14,600
Speaker 3: there and go run these routes and they're always open because,

2446
02:06:14,640 --> 02:06:16,240
Speaker 3: like I said, I always say, they were playing against

2447
02:06:16,280 --> 02:06:21,520
Speaker 3: dental students, right, So or were you playing at you know,

2448
02:06:21,880 --> 02:06:25,040
Speaker 3: Princeton or Cornell or one of the Ivy League schools

2449
02:06:25,120 --> 02:06:26,640
Speaker 3: or you b or wherever, and you got to you

2450
02:06:26,680 --> 02:06:28,320
Speaker 3: got to come up with something to get these guys

2451
02:06:28,400 --> 02:06:33,280
Speaker 3: up because none of them can run routes. Right. That

2452
02:06:33,440 --> 02:06:35,880
Speaker 3: all goes into the experience of coordinators and stuff and

2453
02:06:35,920 --> 02:06:38,840
Speaker 3: how they think about offense. You can't just go out

2454
02:06:38,880 --> 02:06:41,280
Speaker 3: there and say, running out route and get open. You

2455
02:06:41,320 --> 02:06:43,520
Speaker 3: know you gotta If you give the guy a little

2456
02:06:43,600 --> 02:06:48,680
Speaker 3: half motion, it changes things. And coordinators who understand that

2457
02:06:49,880 --> 02:06:52,440
Speaker 3: it really goes a long way towards having your offense

2458
02:06:52,520 --> 02:06:55,160
Speaker 3: take another step, and where they come from has to

2459
02:06:55,200 --> 02:06:56,640
Speaker 3: do with what they think is possible.

2460
02:06:57,680 --> 02:06:59,920
Speaker 2: T d mac on the tweet, she says, marry the

2461
02:07:00,080 --> 02:07:04,200
Speaker 2: run and pass concepts better and use play action more.

2462
02:07:04,880 --> 02:07:05,240
Speaker 3: We've heard.

2463
02:07:05,280 --> 02:07:10,360
Speaker 2: We heard that from dan Orlowski, who was our weekly visitor,

2464
02:07:10,840 --> 02:07:13,960
Speaker 2: the ESPN NFL analyst when Dorsey was still the coordinator.

2465
02:07:14,320 --> 02:07:16,720
Speaker 2: It was his opinion that the Bills could be one

2466
02:07:16,760 --> 02:07:19,680
Speaker 2: of the best play action teams in the league based

2467
02:07:19,720 --> 02:07:21,880
Speaker 2: on what Josh Allen can do with his arm in

2468
02:07:21,960 --> 02:07:25,800
Speaker 2: terms of threatening a defense. And I would think going

2469
02:07:25,840 --> 02:07:31,800
Speaker 2: into next season, Steve with the with the evidence that

2470
02:07:31,840 --> 02:07:33,760
Speaker 2: the Bills put on tape in the second half of

2471
02:07:33,800 --> 02:07:37,200
Speaker 2: the season that they can run the football, I would

2472
02:07:37,240 --> 02:07:40,320
Speaker 2: think that would hold a lot more water going forward

2473
02:07:40,320 --> 02:07:43,400
Speaker 2: for them as a concept they could turn to and

2474
02:07:43,600 --> 02:07:44,760
Speaker 2: utilize effectively.

2475
02:07:45,480 --> 02:07:48,520
Speaker 3: I would agree with that. Their their willingness and ability

2476
02:07:48,560 --> 02:07:54,000
Speaker 3: to run the ball effectively. You know, teams got to

2477
02:07:54,040 --> 02:07:57,800
Speaker 3: kind of dive into the line of scrimmage defensively respect it. Yeah,

2478
02:07:57,840 --> 02:07:59,400
Speaker 3: because they think, man, they are going to hand it

2479
02:07:59,400 --> 02:08:00,840
Speaker 3: to James Cook or they are going to hand it

2480
02:08:00,880 --> 02:08:04,560
Speaker 3: to Latavious Murray. You know, they gotta we gotta bear

2481
02:08:04,640 --> 02:08:06,080
Speaker 3: up and stop this. And then all of a sudden,

2482
02:08:06,120 --> 02:08:09,000
Speaker 3: Josh pulls it out, steps back, and you got guys

2483
02:08:09,080 --> 02:08:12,720
Speaker 3: running past you. Now, the quality of the guys running

2484
02:08:12,760 --> 02:08:16,040
Speaker 3: past the defense is is gonna change this year, or

2485
02:08:16,080 --> 02:08:19,320
Speaker 3: at least the names are going to change this year.

2486
02:08:19,880 --> 02:08:23,760
Speaker 3: But it does help, I think, and Josh's ability to

2487
02:08:23,800 --> 02:08:27,240
Speaker 3: run it is and isn't an added dimension to that.

2488
02:08:27,440 --> 02:08:31,760
Speaker 3: So if you know, if it's a RPO and Josh

2489
02:08:31,880 --> 02:08:33,680
Speaker 3: either hands it off or throws it, and what are

2490
02:08:33,680 --> 02:08:35,520
Speaker 3: they gonna do when not He doesn't hand it off,

2491
02:08:35,520 --> 02:08:37,240
Speaker 3: and he doesn't throw it either, and he takes off

2492
02:08:37,240 --> 02:08:39,000
Speaker 3: around the end, and you're not even you have nobody

2493
02:08:39,120 --> 02:08:42,080
Speaker 3: up accounting for that. It's it's just one more option,

2494
02:08:42,240 --> 02:08:45,080
Speaker 3: one more level of difficulty for a defense to think

2495
02:08:45,480 --> 02:08:47,040
Speaker 3: and have about a tenth of a second to make

2496
02:08:47,080 --> 02:08:48,240
Speaker 3: the right decision.

2497
02:08:49,000 --> 02:08:54,240
Speaker 2: Right tp j W On the tweets, she says lots

2498
02:08:54,280 --> 02:08:58,400
Speaker 2: of motion formations and routes with the act possibilities. The

2499
02:08:58,480 --> 02:09:01,840
Speaker 2: yards after catch thing is interesting because from what we

2500
02:09:01,920 --> 02:09:04,200
Speaker 2: heard from the players in the first half of the season,

2501
02:09:05,000 --> 02:09:09,200
Speaker 2: Ken Dorsey was banging the yards after catch drum time

2502
02:09:09,320 --> 02:09:12,720
Speaker 2: and again it was beaten into the players' heads that

2503
02:09:12,760 --> 02:09:14,960
Speaker 2: we need more yards after the catch, more yards after

2504
02:09:14,960 --> 02:09:16,520
Speaker 2: the catch, because they had ranked near the bottom of

2505
02:09:16,560 --> 02:09:19,680
Speaker 2: the league in that category for several seasons. Under day

2506
02:09:19,720 --> 02:09:24,040
Speaker 2: ball and Dorsey and Steve has mentioned is that you

2507
02:09:24,320 --> 02:09:26,640
Speaker 2: Josh is more of a put it on you quarterback.

2508
02:09:26,680 --> 02:09:28,600
Speaker 2: He's not a guy that's going to lead you into space.

2509
02:09:28,600 --> 02:09:32,440
Speaker 2: He's going to nail you between the numbers. Although I

2510
02:09:32,440 --> 02:09:34,640
Speaker 2: think Josh got a little bit better at that this season,

2511
02:09:34,680 --> 02:09:36,720
Speaker 2: in my opinion from some of the examples we saw

2512
02:09:36,840 --> 02:09:37,400
Speaker 2: with the course of.

2513
02:09:37,400 --> 02:09:40,040
Speaker 3: The year that number.

2514
02:09:40,080 --> 02:09:43,640
Speaker 2: They were top five in yards after catch under Dorsey.

2515
02:09:43,680 --> 02:09:46,840
Speaker 2: The number dropped off under Brady and they finished I

2516
02:09:46,880 --> 02:09:49,040
Speaker 2: want to say, thirteenth in the league and yards after

2517
02:09:49,080 --> 02:09:50,920
Speaker 2: the catch. The reason why was because they ran the

2518
02:09:50,960 --> 02:09:54,560
Speaker 2: ball so much. They just had fewer opportunities per game

2519
02:09:54,600 --> 02:09:56,920
Speaker 2: because they were running the ball thirty five times a

2520
02:09:56,960 --> 02:10:01,000
Speaker 2: game with Josh and Cook in the lot. But yeah,

2521
02:10:01,040 --> 02:10:03,040
Speaker 2: I could see that being in there. I do think

2522
02:10:03,040 --> 02:10:04,760
Speaker 2: we're gonna see a lot of formations. I do think

2523
02:10:04,760 --> 02:10:06,640
Speaker 2: we're gonna see a lot of motion, which we already

2524
02:10:06,680 --> 02:10:11,840
Speaker 2: saw under Brady. The route concepts will be interesting going forward.

2525
02:10:11,880 --> 02:10:14,880
Speaker 2: And if they lend themselves the yards after catch opportunities

2526
02:10:14,880 --> 02:10:18,640
Speaker 2: that that's that's where we're waiting to see, right bart

2527
02:10:18,720 --> 02:10:24,640
Speaker 2: Man on the tweets sheet says, to quote Jonathan gannon explosives. Explosives,

2528
02:10:24,720 --> 02:10:25,720
Speaker 2: pew puw pew.

2529
02:10:27,240 --> 02:10:29,200
Speaker 3: I like the sound effects of Bartman.

2530
02:10:32,160 --> 02:10:32,240
Speaker 12: That.

2531
02:10:33,280 --> 02:10:36,880
Speaker 3: Even back when when I played Teddy Marchibrodi used to say, guys,

2532
02:10:36,920 --> 02:10:39,240
Speaker 3: we're gonna win games because we're gonna play good football

2533
02:10:39,280 --> 02:10:43,760
Speaker 3: and hit the big play. That's what you do. You

2534
02:10:43,760 --> 02:10:46,520
Speaker 3: you play good, solid football and you start to make

2535
02:10:46,560 --> 02:10:48,840
Speaker 3: hay with the four yard four and a half six

2536
02:10:48,920 --> 02:10:53,280
Speaker 3: yard run and the short pass that they got to

2537
02:10:53,280 --> 02:10:55,440
Speaker 3: make a good tackler, it's gonna break off, and then

2538
02:10:55,880 --> 02:10:58,680
Speaker 3: you slip one in behind them and they get caught

2539
02:10:58,840 --> 02:11:01,840
Speaker 3: or you get you get them a you know, over

2540
02:11:01,920 --> 02:11:05,080
Speaker 3: committing to a play that you're not running and you

2541
02:11:05,120 --> 02:11:08,120
Speaker 3: snap off a big one. That's that's how football is

2542
02:11:08,400 --> 02:11:12,040
Speaker 3: in the NFL. These, I get it. These seventeen play

2543
02:11:12,160 --> 02:11:15,880
Speaker 3: drives are few and far between, but it's rare that

2544
02:11:15,920 --> 02:11:17,800
Speaker 3: you don't see an eight or ten play drive that

2545
02:11:17,800 --> 02:11:20,200
Speaker 3: doesn't have an explosive play in it. You know, a

2546
02:11:20,240 --> 02:11:23,600
Speaker 3: twenty five, a thirty yarder, right, So you've got to

2547
02:11:23,640 --> 02:11:28,240
Speaker 3: find a way to manufacture those. And I was telling

2548
02:11:28,320 --> 02:11:30,680
Speaker 3: my I was watching the games yesterday. The reason those

2549
02:11:30,720 --> 02:11:34,760
Speaker 3: games were like that yesterday, particularly the Baltimore Kansas City game.

2550
02:11:35,440 --> 02:11:39,600
Speaker 3: You look at it. Every time the first defender that

2551
02:11:39,680 --> 02:11:43,360
Speaker 3: went to the football tackled it, nobody busted a tackle,

2552
02:11:43,400 --> 02:11:47,600
Speaker 3: and if they did, it was an aberration. It was

2553
02:11:47,640 --> 02:11:50,760
Speaker 3: a game where the first defender to the ball had

2554
02:11:50,800 --> 02:11:53,920
Speaker 3: the ball on the ground. That's how tough. That's why

2555
02:11:53,960 --> 02:11:56,680
Speaker 3: it's tough to play. That's why it's tough to score

2556
02:11:56,720 --> 02:11:57,560
Speaker 3: points on those teams.

2557
02:11:57,560 --> 02:11:59,720
Speaker 2: And I'll just say in defense of Sean McDermott, with

2558
02:11:59,720 --> 02:12:03,040
Speaker 2: respec to explosives, he laid it out at his season

2559
02:12:03,080 --> 02:12:06,800
Speaker 2: ending press conference last week. He basically said, look, I

2560
02:12:06,880 --> 02:12:10,120
Speaker 2: know that I am sometimes painted as a conservative coach,

2561
02:12:10,160 --> 02:12:14,440
Speaker 2: but I have always believed that explosives are necessary in

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Speaker 2: your offense if you want to score points. There is

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Speaker 2: a direct correlation to drives ending in points if you

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Speaker 2: have at least one explosive play on that drive. He said,

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Speaker 2: He's well aware of it. He wants it incorporated more

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Speaker 2: into the offense, which gives me hope Steve that they

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Speaker 2: will add a field stretcher with explosive play capabilities. I

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Speaker 2: know that Gabe Davis has filled that role for them.

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Speaker 2: To me, I don't feel like he fills it consistently enough.

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Speaker 2: And when you have seven games in which you have

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Speaker 2: one catch or no catches, it's evidence to me that

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Speaker 2: you have to try to do better than that going forward.

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Speaker 2: And hopefully they find that in the draft at a

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Speaker 2: lower cost as well.

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Speaker 3: Got to take a break here.

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Speaker 2: Some final thoughts on the tweetsheet when we return on

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Speaker 2: one Bill's Live, Stay.

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Speaker 3: Tuned, all right.

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Speaker 2: JT Shrek on the tweetsheet says, beef the line, add

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Speaker 2: a legitimate weapon, a wide receiver, and innovate the passing

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02:13:23,320 --> 02:13:27,879
Speaker 2: game to compete with top defenses. Innovate is a general

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02:13:27,960 --> 02:13:32,280
Speaker 2: term that could take on any kind of complexion, so

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Speaker 2: I guess we'll leave it open to interpretation.

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Speaker 3: Usually, innovation is coincides with a personnel change, the way

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Speaker 3: the Dolphins innovated with that jet motion this year, the

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02:13:45,800 --> 02:13:49,840
Speaker 3: quick motion before the snap, yeah, late motion. Yeah, you know,

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02:13:49,960 --> 02:13:54,360
Speaker 3: team's going two tight ends, all that stuff. There's a

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Speaker 3: change in personnel that takes advantage of the innovation that

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Speaker 3: nobody else could see. We'll see if that happens.

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Speaker 2: Josh on the tweet he says he needs to work

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02:14:03,040 --> 02:14:05,280
Speaker 2: with Josh on stepping up into the pocket to buy

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02:14:05,320 --> 02:14:07,760
Speaker 2: time and create more mismatches in the slot with Digs

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02:14:07,800 --> 02:14:10,440
Speaker 2: and Kincaid. Josh has to work on his progression and

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02:14:10,480 --> 02:14:13,120
Speaker 2: stepping up to make himself better. Mahomes is incredible at

2595
02:14:13,120 --> 02:14:16,760
Speaker 2: these two things, and it makes him who he is. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, I think Josh is right there Mahomes

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02:14:21,400 --> 02:14:25,160
Speaker 2: might be a more consistent decision maker, but Josh is

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02:14:25,200 --> 02:14:27,520
Speaker 2: right there, and hopefully Joe Brady accentuates some of those

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Speaker 2: things with the changes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, they don't have to transform Josh. You know,

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Speaker 3: he'll be all right. That's it for us today.

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Speaker 2: Steve and I back here tomorrow with another three hour edition.

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Speaker 3: We'll see at noon.