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Speaker 2: all that good stuff. Anyway, So wherever you are, I
Speaker 2: hope you're doing well. This is uh me coming to
Speaker 2: you talking a little bit about this solo pod that
Speaker 2: I'm doing. We are how do you say? Angela and I.
Speaker 2: I think Tiffany soon will be sort of branching off
Speaker 2: to take various elements of either the news of the
Speaker 2: day or issues we want to you know, brief and
Speaker 2: educate people on, as well as strategies for how we
Speaker 2: make it through. Frankly, the trying days wherein we find ourselves.
Speaker 2: I have made the choice, at least for the first
Speaker 2: many of my solo pods, to try to deepen into
Speaker 2: a question that we keep getting pretty regularly on the
Speaker 2: main show of Native Lampard around what do we do
Speaker 2: the moment that we're in, the fights that we're having,
Speaker 2: the apparent tyranny that goes unchecked at the national level,
Speaker 2: what we're dealing with in our states and in our cities.
Speaker 2: And I really I like the question, but I hate
Speaker 2: the question because it puts it just loads up so
Speaker 2: much on you when you think, well, what do I do?
Speaker 2: What is the thing? People get you know, pressured and
Speaker 2: feel really not up to the task, that they're not
Speaker 2: the right people to do the thing that it is
Speaker 2: that needs to be done. And I just wanted to
Speaker 2: take a hit historical example of people getting together and
Speaker 2: organizing a thing and it becoming something you know, bigger, bigger,
Speaker 2: I think, than their initial ambitions. And the example I'd
Speaker 2: like to use for on the aftermath of this past
Speaker 2: weekend's sixtieth remembrance of Bloody Sunday, the march across the
Speaker 2: Edmond Petties Bridge. I want to use the Montgomery Bus
Speaker 2: boycotts as sort of a background and we know it,
Speaker 2: of course as the big transformational Montgomery bus boycotts today,
Speaker 2: But back then, if we were to trace back to,
Speaker 2: you know, the work of Rosa Parks nineteen fifty five
Speaker 2: when she made her refusal, it's important to note that
Speaker 2: there were those who had been arrested frankly prior to
Speaker 2: Rosa Parks's refusal. Claudette Colving comes to mind, the fifteen
Speaker 2: year old who less than a year prior to to
Speaker 2: to Rosa Parks's refusal also refused to get up uh
Speaker 2: and give her seat away in the Negro section of
Speaker 2: the bus where she had paid her fare to be
Speaker 2: able to sit. Uh. But we thank all of those
Speaker 2: who came before. But I just wanted to provide a
Speaker 2: little bit of context for how this very local action
Speaker 2: kind of ballooned and when and and relate that to
Speaker 2: this big question of what do we do? What do
Speaker 2: we do? What do we do? And it being almost
Speaker 2: paralyzing to think about. Well, some of you may know,
Speaker 2: but there was a little room group at the time
Speaker 2: called the neighborhood uh improved the excuse me, Montgomery Improvement
Speaker 2: Association that doctor King would eventually come to lead, but
Speaker 2: prior to uh Doctor King leading it, it had the
Speaker 2: name of the Negro Council, the Local Negro Council, which
Speaker 2: the name was changed because because it was in such
Speaker 2: close assemblance to the White Council, which was a racist organization,
Speaker 2: that in order for the framing to go right, they
Speaker 2: made the name change. Nonetheless, the Neighborhood Improvement Association there
Speaker 2: at Montgomery pre existed the work done around the bus boycotts.
Speaker 2: They were formed with the pretty important but singular notion
Speaker 2: of how to improve life for black people in Montgomery
Speaker 2: at that time, very focused, very discrete in its orientation
Speaker 2: and its mission, certainly not you know, change American history
Speaker 2: and American law and make separate but equal, you know,
Speaker 2: inherently unequal, even as it relates to accommodations public accommodations.
Speaker 2: It started small. So as you think about things in
Speaker 2: your own community, things you want to see changed, improvements
Speaker 2: you want to see made. I just want you to
Speaker 2: see that this sort of tracks with what happened back then,
Speaker 2: that there were things that people in the local community
Speaker 2: came together and said, ah, we got to change this,
Speaker 2: we need some some that it can be better and
Speaker 2: we can do the work to make it better. Montgomery
Speaker 2: Improvement Association m IA as it came to be called,
Speaker 2: not to be confused with missing in an action. It
Speaker 2: was anything but. When the bus boycotts began that November fifth,
Speaker 2: with the support of the National Association for the Advancement
Speaker 2: of Colored People and obviously the local community, the empty
Speaker 2: buses on that day were shock, such a shock to
Speaker 2: the system, nobody expected it. The white folks in the
Speaker 2: community didn't know what to do. And at the end
Speaker 2: of that day, the community meeting, the gathering which were
Speaker 2: being held nightly in churches, gathered at a local amb church,
Speaker 2: you know, packed with black folks there Montgomery, and at
Speaker 2: the time the Black censites of Montgomery was around seventeen
Speaker 2: five hundred people. They gathered and they took the position
Speaker 2: that they had to continue the bus boycott. So what
Speaker 2: was initially a one day event, these folks make the
Speaker 2: decision when they fell the agency and the power of
Speaker 2: their actions that hey, hey we shook something up. This
Speaker 2: thing got to continue. Literally did they know that continuation
Speaker 2: meant three hundred and eighty two days of protests, of resistance,
Speaker 2: of inconvenience so that they could bring the system to heal.
Speaker 2: And I got to imagine that over those many, many days,
Speaker 2: over that year's time, there were probably a lot of
Speaker 2: people who eventually said, all right, y'all, this system is
Speaker 2: too big. We can't break it. And I'm reminded of
Speaker 2: this poem. That line of the poem is when things
Speaker 2: seem worse, that you mustn't quit. A lot of times
Speaker 2: in our fights, things feel dark, they feel tough, they
Speaker 2: feel immovable, and quite frankly, it launches its fiercest attack
Speaker 2: right before it crumbles, right before it falls. And so yes,
Speaker 2: these times of mobilization, we will have high and low days.
Speaker 2: But they persisted, and through their persistence and their commitment
Speaker 2: to the goal, we were able to see American history,
Speaker 2: not just you know, not just in Montgomery, but I
Speaker 2: think world history and the self efficacy that black folks
Speaker 2: felt that we could decide to do a thing and
Speaker 2: that thing can be done even when the power on
Speaker 2: the other side seems are all powerful, uh and not
Speaker 2: not able to crumble. Where does this relate back to
Speaker 2: what it is that we're talking about today and what
Speaker 2: we're confronting. I just want to bring down the size
Speaker 2: the civil rights movement takes on such this huge space
Speaker 2: as it should. It was transformational for history and for us.
Speaker 2: A lot of times we refuse to pull back the
Speaker 2: layers of Okay, how did we get there? What happened
Speaker 2: to get us to this point? How did they organize it?
Speaker 2: What did we? You know, who knew doctor King? You know,
Speaker 2: if doctor King doesn't exist in our communities anymore, well,
Speaker 2: you know, let the story be told on it. Doctor
Speaker 2: King was selected to lead uh the m I, a
Speaker 2: Montgomery Improvement Association. He was chosen, according to Rosa Parks,
Speaker 2: because he was young, relatively new, and frankly hadn't built
Speaker 2: up a lot of enemies amongst ministers and others in
Speaker 2: the Montgomery area. And so he was chosen to lead
Speaker 2: this group. And he, after some you know, in trepidation,
Speaker 2: decided that he would he would take on that that mission.
Speaker 2: But the people made that choice, A group of folks
Speaker 2: in a community made those choices, and obviously history took
Speaker 2: its course, and diviner dimension being what it is, he
Speaker 2: was the right person, it was the right time, and
Speaker 2: they were the right group. But so too is that
Speaker 2: possibility for all of us. I wanted to give three
Speaker 2: or maybe four pieces of advice as we approach what
Speaker 2: is going to be my series in this solo pod,
Speaker 2: which will bring to you individuals through interviews and through
Speaker 2: conversation like this movement examples and curricula that I'm going
Speaker 2: to borrow from an effort known as start sca art
Speaker 2: to try to walk us through. Okay, what are some
Speaker 2: of the steps and hopefully it can be useful to you.
Speaker 2: Everything may not be useful to you. This may not
Speaker 2: be useful. You may know this history and it may
Speaker 2: not be important to you, but hopefully you can keep
Speaker 2: what is useful and suspend with the rest. All right,
Speaker 2: I'm humble enough to know that everything won't be directly
Speaker 2: applicable to everybody. But we trace these examples back over
Speaker 2: history because they give us the belief that the thing
Speaker 2: we want to do can be done. And in some cases,
Speaker 2: the thing we want to do may not have ever
Speaker 2: been attempted before, or maybe it was attempted and was unsuccessful,
Speaker 2: and then you're birthing something very new. But in the
Speaker 2: time in which you're doing it, you can't be focused
Speaker 2: on making history or even changing history. They weren't in
Speaker 2: the Montgomery Improvement Association. They willocused on changing the lift
Speaker 2: conditions of black people every day in that city, just
Speaker 2: like many of us are challenged to do at a local,
Speaker 2: at a state, or at a national level. At this time,
Speaker 2: three pieces of advice. As we get at this question
Speaker 2: of what do we do and how do we get started?
Speaker 2: The start and a number of other organizing movement strategies
Speaker 2: give us a little bit of hint into how we
Speaker 2: do that. And the first thing I want to suggest
Speaker 2: to you is that you began to assemble a group
Speaker 2: of people, small group folks you know, maybe some you
Speaker 2: don't know so well, but you have a sense that
Speaker 2: you share something in common. I don't want to give
Speaker 2: you all the criteria, but certainly there are to be
Speaker 2: some like minded concern amongst are gathering small group of folks.
Speaker 2: And by the way, your action doesn't always have to
Speaker 2: be with groups. It can also be very individual. And
Speaker 2: we'll talk about that. If not, we're gonna get to
Speaker 2: it this time next time. But get a small group together.
Speaker 2: That's number one. Who are people who share generally your issue,
Speaker 2: your aks, your concern talk amongst each other. Number two?
Speaker 2: And a house setting at a coffee shop. However it
Speaker 2: is you decide to organize this group of like minded
Speaker 2: people and allow everyone who's around that space, at that
Speaker 2: table to offer their real, true, heartfelt feelings about what
Speaker 2: is under their crawl, what's concerning them, what has them anxious, nervous,
Speaker 2: troubled by our community, by the country, by the state,
Speaker 2: by the local place where we are on our street,
Speaker 2: in our neighborhood. That's number two. Allow everybody to get
Speaker 2: their voices out and be heard. The buy ind is
Speaker 2: greater when we do that. People feel greater ownership, They
Speaker 2: feel heard and hopefully reflected through the work of the group.
Speaker 2: When everybody gets to pour in their thoughts and feelings,
Speaker 2: that's number two. Number three. Once you all have gathered that,
Speaker 2: you have shared your thoughts, opinions, trepidations about what it
Speaker 2: is you are facing, you all as a group are facing.
Speaker 2: The third thing that we want you to do is
Speaker 2: start to read, study, pull some examples, you know, look
Speaker 2: at some PBS documentaries on some things that may have
Speaker 2: happened that may give you just some advice on how
Speaker 2: to start approaching some of the core of the work,
Speaker 2: which will be the development of an action plan. All
Speaker 2: of the kinds of tactics and actions that you want
Speaker 2: to execute on the way to the goal. But the
Speaker 2: resourcing just trying to educate yourselves as a group or
Speaker 2: appoint individuals to help bring the group under some common
Speaker 2: shared set of resources. And then the fourth and I
Speaker 2: think most important thing to do in this early phase
Speaker 2: is to decide what is this thing then that we
Speaker 2: want to change, What do we do about it? What
Speaker 2: do we is it that we want to like the
Speaker 2: Montgomer Improvement Association, change the conditions of black folks and
Speaker 2: this community on transportation, public accommodations, bussing, you know, other
Speaker 2: specificities that of course we know history, and we know
Speaker 2: that it ballooned to become something much bigger than it
Speaker 2: originally started. But I got to tell you, I think
Speaker 2: we would admit that those folks did not gather in
Speaker 2: that room necessarily believing they were going to change American
Speaker 2: and world history. In fact, I have paused to anyone
Speaker 2: who would begin an effort like this with the goal
Speaker 2: of history change, frankly being at the center, and not
Speaker 2: change for the thing, the circumstance, the conditions that have
Speaker 2: gotten you to the point of frustration or action that
Speaker 2: you are but now together in a group of shared
Speaker 2: you know, like minded thinking you can determine, all right,
Speaker 2: what do we want to do? If we had our drothers,
Speaker 2: if we were able to decide for ourselves, if we
Speaker 2: were able to build the outcome, and we are the
Speaker 2: only ones who had input and what that thing was
Speaker 2: going to be, what would it look like? It feels
Speaker 2: daunting and unachievable to day, but you know, we put
Speaker 2: some real strategy together, we can make this thing happen.
Speaker 2: So we want that. We want you to we we
Speaker 2: we we want you to begin with the goal in mind,
Speaker 2: the change, the delta, the change that you want to
Speaker 2: have happen in mind. The absence of doing that allows
Speaker 2: for your work to be carried off in directions of
Speaker 2: which you never ever intended and are not consistent with
Speaker 2: the greater change that you want to see. It allows
Speaker 2: for every little thing that happens to pierce this body
Speaker 2: of people and get us distracted and off on different things.
Speaker 2: For those of you who are sort of faith in
Speaker 2: my comment or share faith tradition, you know, it's sort
Speaker 2: of this, this belief that the devil thrives in chaos,
Speaker 2: They create chaos. You know, you want to you want
Speaker 2: to mess some people up and destroy a movement, or
Speaker 2: keep some things from happening amongst a group with with
Speaker 2: with with shared interest, give them different languages so that
Speaker 2: they can't communicate. Some of y'all will know what reference
Speaker 2: that is too, right, So the chaos is something we've
Speaker 2: got to deal with. But the central goal letting folks know,
Speaker 2: like man, this is the thing we want to see
Speaker 2: at the end of the day. And guess what Providence
Speaker 2: will take its course. If it's meant to be something
Speaker 2: different and it aligns with you all in your heart
Speaker 2: and your core, it'll go that direction and consistent keeping
Speaker 2: with what brought you together. So it's crystally important if
Speaker 2: I could make crystal clear the importance of that shared goal,
Speaker 2: that shared outcome, y'all. I want to move quickly to
Speaker 2: questions because my intention is to try to keep these
Speaker 2: within twenty twenty five minutes, not to take too much
Speaker 2: of your time. And by the way, I'm supposed to be
Speaker 2: on spring break with the kids. Oh yeah, there's that,
Speaker 2: so I want to invite my girl lol lol, I
Speaker 2: know you. Yeah, there you go. Well, welcome home, lolo.
Speaker 2: You guess some interesting background, what's up? But I like
Speaker 2: the flowers where you at last time we got a
Speaker 2: race car.
Speaker 4: All right, I am good. I am good.
Speaker 3: I have some interesting things going away. I'm not gonna
Speaker 3: say allow because you're not.
Speaker 4: I'm happy.
Speaker 2: I get it. I get it, I get it, I
Speaker 2: get it, I get it. But it's all good. You're
Speaker 2: gonna be all good. We're counting it, counting it counted. Done, Yes, Lolo.
Speaker 2: I don't know if any of that was helpful to
Speaker 2: you as a as a as a listener. But you know,
Speaker 2: I don't know how you feel on the show because
Speaker 2: you've had a lot of the questions for the main show,
Speaker 2: but this is when that often comes up, what do
Speaker 2: we do? How do we get started? And it feels
Speaker 2: so ballooning, and I just think it's part our job
Speaker 2: at this time to bring it down the side so
Speaker 2: that people feel like they can they can get a
Speaker 2: go at it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I'm taking a look at the questions that
Speaker 3: you have gotten up until this point, and I think
Speaker 3: it's very pliant to what it is that you're asking
Speaker 3: or what people have been asking of, like what do
Speaker 3: we do? So I'm gonna go through the questions, and
Speaker 3: then I do want to talk this through because you
Speaker 3: and I have gotten to be activated a lot, you know,
Speaker 3: over this last week. Yes, and seeing the inspiration of
Speaker 3: people being inspired to do.
Speaker 2: Something in that sense, that's right.
Speaker 3: So okay, So one of the first questions that I
Speaker 3: see is somebody said, when we call our senators with
Speaker 3: all of this chaos, is there a few guidelines that
Speaker 3: we should develop to focus on when we call the capital?
Speaker 4: So that's that's a good question.
Speaker 2: It is a good question. And while I'm trying to answer,
Speaker 2: I want you to pull up that link on the
Speaker 2: messaging so for instance, around must doge all that that
Speaker 2: is coming from that other group that that your referenced
Speaker 2: that I'm not saying the name of, because yeah, that
Speaker 2: gives some talking points for folks when they're doing it.
Speaker 2: I'll point to just two quick things. There's so last week,
Speaker 2: if you miss it, there was this twenty four hour
Speaker 2: heavy content field with some really joyous moments but also
Speaker 2: some real, real gifts and talents being shared by a
Speaker 2: lot of the names that you will know and recognize.
Speaker 2: And we were trying to school people just across the
Speaker 2: range of issues and ways in which we've got to
Speaker 2: bring this fight right now or certainly respond to the
Speaker 2: fight that we're in and you can visit this was
Speaker 2: the State of the People that I'm referring to, and lolo,
Speaker 2: if I'm not mistaken, we have the link to watch
Speaker 2: it in its entirety or its parts actually.
Speaker 3: All parts of it will be available to watch on Wednesday.
Speaker 3: So if you go to Stateofthepeople dot media, you can
Speaker 3: push your email in and we'll actually start sending out
Speaker 3: a lot of different resources that are available. You'll be
Speaker 3: able to see all of the different lies. And then
Speaker 3: also if you go to Stay of the People so
Speaker 3: as PPL for people on Instagram, follow that. We also
Speaker 3: have some stuff like it inspired so many people to
Speaker 3: come together and they're like, we can't just leave it here,
Speaker 3: so they have like this whole plan and we've been planning.
Speaker 4: We have this whole plan.
Speaker 3: About how to move forward and how to containe this
Speaker 3: collective action of advocating.
Speaker 2: So that's right, that's right, and the collective is really cool,
Speaker 2: y'all because it reminds us that we're not in it alone.
Speaker 2: We got folks that we can lean on when when
Speaker 2: we're not at one hundred percent, you know, we're at fifty.
Speaker 2: Let's just let's just pray that the partner in the
Speaker 2: group is out one hundred and fifty to compensate for
Speaker 2: the fifty that you don't have. But that's what group
Speaker 2: help helps us to do. But but there are very
Speaker 2: clear guidance that we should always have when reach when
Speaker 2: we're reaching out to people in power and an influence
Speaker 2: around the thing that we want them to do. The
Speaker 2: message simply has been around you know, doze and the
Speaker 2: cuts and all of this rabbit, you know, nonsensical action
Speaker 2: that is happening at the federal level is you are
Speaker 2: the Congress of United States. To you, all of the
Speaker 2: first branch of government and a coequal system of three branches,
Speaker 2: stand up and do your job, stop them from what
Speaker 2: they're doing, stand in the way, ask questions whatever whatever
Speaker 2: is again the movement's goal at that time, those need
Speaker 2: to be. Those need to be the comments in which
Speaker 2: that we are sharing with our members. Now, I'll tell
Speaker 2: you I've been elected and I've been on the receiving
Speaker 2: end of messages like this, and I got to tell
Speaker 2: you it's not every day that a Congressman's office blows
Speaker 2: up with phone calls. And when it does, it is
Speaker 2: a special thing. And let me tell you this, they
Speaker 2: take notice the reason why Republicans have been instructed to
Speaker 2: stop hosting town hall meetings around the country is because
Speaker 2: they're getting to hear directly from people and they liking
Speaker 2: what they're seeing and they're demanding some change. So their
Speaker 2: leadership say, hey, y'all just stop having the meetings. Well,
Speaker 2: they can stop having them if they want, but they
Speaker 2: won't diminish the sentiment. In fact, the sentiment will likely
Speaker 2: grow stronger, louder, more resilient, and frankly closer to its
Speaker 2: aims achieving its aims. So we want consistent messaging to
Speaker 2: come out as an elected I didn't like the whole
Speaker 2: threat thing, like I put you in, I put you out,
Speaker 2: I google your name in the database, and you ain't
Speaker 2: voted in seven years, So I'm not really terrified that
Speaker 2: you're going to do that, right. This is just thinking
Speaker 2: as a person who's like, it's this threat real. But
Speaker 2: if you are a voter and you do do this consistently,
Speaker 2: let them know I am a voter in your area
Speaker 2: and I don't miss an election. I'm expecting you to
Speaker 2: be there and to represent me. So that kind of thing.
Speaker 2: Be clear about the message, the goal that we're trying
Speaker 2: to achieve and then in your tactics, you know, again
Speaker 2: the threat, make sure if you make it, you backing
Speaker 2: it up.
Speaker 4: I just seen this comment.
Speaker 3: Somebody was like, it would be a great idea for
Speaker 3: the nymps to start having town halls in the Republican
Speaker 3: areas where you know they've been saying that they're not
Speaker 3: going to be doing those town halls anymore. I think
Speaker 3: that is such a great idea.
Speaker 2: I think Dems ought to be doing town halls in
Speaker 2: their own communities, to be very frank about it, because
Speaker 2: that's how you awaken this sleeping giant. The majority of
Speaker 2: people in this country who are eligible and registeredtive vote
Speaker 2: not voting, more than half the country choosing not to participate.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so there was another question that said, how
Speaker 3: do we begin to get engaged again? I'm in the
Speaker 3: ninety two percent and burned my cape on eleven, six.
Speaker 4: Twenty four. I'm tired and in at rest.
Speaker 3: I don't want to help anyone, but as black votes,
Speaker 3: is there a way to move past this intense hurt?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, it's hard, It is very hard. I sympathize
Speaker 2: with it. I know. On the main show, if it
Speaker 2: were Tiffany and Angela, they would tell you. In fact,
Speaker 2: Angela's is pretty consistent in saying, I don't even believe
Speaker 2: the outcome, but you know this is where we are.
Speaker 2: It hurts, It absolutely hurts when you put everything into it.
Speaker 2: It's one of the reasons why I mentioned in talking
Speaker 2: about the Montgomerymprovement Association. Do you think on the night
Speaker 2: of that town hall where they were asked at the
Speaker 2: end of the day, on the first day of the protest,
Speaker 2: when it was wildly successful and the buses were empty,
Speaker 2: do you think the answer would have still been a
Speaker 2: resounding yes, I'm gonna stick at this if it's going
Speaker 2: to take us three hundred and eighty two days to
Speaker 2: get the outcome we want. And my guess is is
Speaker 2: if folks had to meet that challenge of how long
Speaker 2: I gotta do this upfront, many of us wouldn't choose
Speaker 2: to take the first step in the first place. So
Speaker 2: just know that what you are feeling is real. It
Speaker 2: is it is. It is not abnormal. It is very
Speaker 2: normal during these times. But the way I would caution
Speaker 2: you to resist is the folding and giving in and
Speaker 2: let be what will happen. Right live and let live
Speaker 2: and carpetia. Whatever happens is what happens. The problem with that,
Speaker 2: particularly for US black folks, people of color, those who
Speaker 2: sit at the margins society, is just know that we
Speaker 2: are always going to be at the worst end of
Speaker 2: the consequence when these folks are in power, the worst end.
Speaker 2: They're coming for us, and they may be coming for
Speaker 2: some others too, but it's going to sweep us out
Speaker 2: first and then they'll get to the next thing. And
Speaker 2: so if our if the consequence for us not being
Speaker 2: involved didn't savage us so greatly, I could get with
Speaker 2: I'm backing out, I'm tapping out, I can whatever. But
Speaker 2: because whether you tap in or out, you're on the
Speaker 2: front line of the negative side of this. We believe
Speaker 2: in harm reduction as a strategy as well, and so
Speaker 2: if you've got to do this just to reduce the
Speaker 2: harm that could be coming your way, let that maybe
Speaker 2: be motivation. Let you know, the example of Montgomery three
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty two be a motivation, and there are
Speaker 2: probably other examples that we could point to as well.
Speaker 2: But resist the desire, the urge, the feeling to pull up,
Speaker 2: pull back, because that's exactly what the enemy wants. The
Speaker 2: reason why they're deluging us, you know, is a delusion,
Speaker 2: bad news every day and they're moving at the speed
Speaker 2: that they are is they want our heads on a swivel.
Speaker 2: They want us spinning to the point where we feel
Speaker 2: like we have no recourse what we do. And when
Speaker 2: they get louder, this is when you know we're piercing them.
Speaker 4: And can I add real quick?
Speaker 3: We posted something on you know, Joyce said this during
Speaker 3: the twenty four hour towel hall. She started off and
Speaker 3: she was like, some people say politics, they don't do politics.
Speaker 3: Your politics is always do you do you?
Speaker 4: And I and I really resonated with that.
Speaker 3: And then we also post Stacey Abram's posts about this
Speaker 3: is not the time to rest.
Speaker 4: And I know that there's a lot of people who
Speaker 4: are hired.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I am a strong believer that you don't
Speaker 3: have to exhaust yourself trying to save or build this
Speaker 3: new rome in a day.
Speaker 4: Just small things of people buying their part.
Speaker 2: Small bites. Absolutely, I agree with you one thousand percent.
Speaker 2: I said. My wife hits me over the head because
Speaker 2: I said so much. You can't eat an elephant and
Speaker 2: one bite all at once. No, whatever it is, you
Speaker 2: can't eat it all at once. You have to take
Speaker 2: bites out of it. And when you the beautiful part
Speaker 2: about stress strategy and doing this with a group of
Speaker 2: people is when you're working your plan, you're kind of
Speaker 2: immune to all of the noise and the mess because
Speaker 2: you are working your plan and and you'll get fulfillment
Speaker 2: from the successes that you achieved along the way to
Speaker 2: the big goal. So resist, resist that urge that that's
Speaker 2: that's that's not of us, that's a that's a tool
Speaker 2: of the enemy. So I resist that.
Speaker 4: And I want to I think we got time for
Speaker 4: one more question.
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, So and I'm just going to group a
Speaker 3: bunch of questions that I'm seeing together. Okay, people are
Speaker 3: mentioning the primary election, special elections coming up, primaries coming up,
Speaker 3: and so it's like, how do we leverage these things?
Speaker 4: What do we do?
Speaker 2: How do we engage? Yeah, so just to quick mention,
Speaker 2: there are two primaries coming up very soon in my
Speaker 2: home state of Florida to Republican distric, one of which
Speaker 2: was previously occupied by Matt Gates. Those seats are up,
Speaker 2: and although they're happening in pretty strongly Republican areas, the
Speaker 2: other side is very nervous that there's a chance that
Speaker 2: a Democrat could potentially sweep in and when, and what
Speaker 2: makes them nervous is when we are showing action and
Speaker 2: activity on the ground. Y'all. If your people aren't doing
Speaker 2: what they're supposed to do, and I mean at every
Speaker 2: level of government, and you all collectively or individually have
Speaker 2: something to offer that could be better than what you've
Speaker 2: got the alternative, then we ought to be running and
Speaker 2: moving the alternatives to take on many of these seats.
Speaker 2: Moms for Liberty a group that has taken over many
Speaker 2: school boards around the country, certainly in Florida. A lot
Speaker 2: of these candidates right wing, extreme folks who want history
Speaker 2: and black history and all mentions of anything that could
Speaker 2: offend white children no longer in textbooks or in assignments
Speaker 2: or of resources. They are getting on school boards with
Speaker 2: just slivers of votes and having all power to determine
Speaker 2: what happens to your children and our children at the
Speaker 2: local educational level. And by the way, their kids either
Speaker 2: have been moved out and already in privacy school getting
Speaker 2: subsidized by taxpayers, or are in schools where basically everybody
Speaker 2: looks the same and so they'll get little resistance when
Speaker 2: they try to push things like our history out of
Speaker 2: libraries and out of textbooks. So the way we engage
Speaker 2: is we have to fight back. Joy's point, and I
Speaker 2: appreciate you bringing it up. Lo low you and do politics,
Speaker 2: but it does you. That is a very common refrain.
Speaker 2: I don't talk about. It is in every aspect of
Speaker 2: our lives. The fact that we are even on this
Speaker 2: forum communicating, and the regulatory environment makes for it to
Speaker 2: be available for all of us. Doesn't have to be
Speaker 2: that way. The regulatory environment could be I gotta pay
Speaker 2: you for everybody who seize me, and for everything that
Speaker 2: you see, you gotta pay for. And by the way,
Speaker 2: we're gonna limit your ability to have lives like this
Speaker 2: to ten minutes, and you got to do it. You
Speaker 2: gotta do a mat period and by the way, you
Speaker 2: can't do it more than once a month. Yeah, that
Speaker 2: could become the regulatory environment Instagram or TikTok TikTok. Sorry,
Speaker 2: I'm not on that, so I apologize for whatever. But
Speaker 2: the TikTok ban, right, if that were to be enforced,
Speaker 2: the ban on TikTok operating in the United States means
Speaker 2: you don't do politics as you do on your TikTok,
Speaker 2: but your TikTok can be taken away and now you've
Speaker 2: got nothing. So I just those are hopefully some examples
Speaker 2: that show you in the ways in which it shows
Speaker 2: up in the most and most consequential ways, but also
Speaker 2: in ways that we don't even recognize or think about,
Speaker 2: but it bears consequence on. So get involved, organized, replace
Speaker 2: people where necessary, and in other places elect and elevate
Speaker 2: some people who are doing what we need them to do.
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna I just want to say this last thing.
Speaker 3: It's not a question. I just want to put this plug.
Speaker 3: And Andrew didn't know this. On Wednesdays, we're gonna start
Speaker 3: doing this thing on the social media. So you can
Speaker 3: go to Native lamp Pod social media and we're gonna
Speaker 3: have a question day. So you'll see a post and
Speaker 3: it's gonna be like cause these like Unfortunately, we want
Speaker 3: to have these conversations and have you all ask as
Speaker 3: many questions as possible, but sometimes we just don't get
Speaker 3: to them. And so on that Wednesday, you'll be able
Speaker 3: to go post your question and then we're gonna engage
Speaker 3: right back with you. So make sure that you tie
Speaker 3: your friends, tells people, but on Wednesday, this is going
Speaker 3: to be our new thing.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 2: I love that, Lolo and Lolo, I appreciate your help
Speaker 2: and wishing you well on that end. And for y'all
Speaker 2: who tuned in, thank you. We're gonna try and keep
Speaker 2: these as brief as we can, because we know time
Speaker 2: is the currency. It's not replenishable. You don't get more
Speaker 2: of it, so when you choose to spend it with us,
Speaker 2: we appreciate it, we value it, and stay tuned to
Speaker 2: these minis because not many's lord solos, y'all got so
Speaker 2: many names for all these goddamn things have has done. Anyway,
Speaker 2: these solo pods that we're doing again, I'm going to
Speaker 2: deepen into over the coming weeks through interviews and through
Speaker 2: examples various stages of organizing, and I will use curricula
Speaker 2: that you will also be able to access on your side,
Speaker 2: so that we can follow each other along as we
Speaker 2: as we try to do what we gotta do to
Speaker 2: a build rather the beloved community. And with that, welcome home, everybody,
Speaker 2: Welcome home, Lolo, welcome home, y'all, see y'all later.
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