1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: I wasn't taking any points off, any games off, like 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: I was going to be there every single point. 3 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 2: Hello, Renee, Well we're in Miami celebrating the Miami Open. 4 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 2: Such as it is. Great matches sort of a bizarre 5 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 2: scene that said, happy to see tennis in person, live, 6 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 2: played by professionals for the first time in a long time. So, 7 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:34,520 Speaker 2: you know, not that much to complain about. 8 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 3: How about, obviously I had that happened in Australia, So 9 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:43,840 Speaker 3: I've actually been around matches and tournaments with crowds, and 10 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 3: so I had that experience obviously down in Melbourne and 11 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 3: so and it was it was great obviously because we 12 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 3: barely have any COVID down there. But I mean, to 13 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 3: be honest, to be able to put the tournament on 14 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 3: in Miami the way they have. 15 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 4: Look, you know, every all year it's going to be 16 00:00:58,360 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 4: like this. 17 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 3: So kudos to the to the team, to James Blake, 18 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 3: and to everybody for putting this on. I know the 19 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 3: tickets were astronomical, but unfortunately this is the way tennis 20 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 3: is right now. 21 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean just one question though, relate to that, 22 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 2: and yes, shout out to anybody who made this happen 23 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:16,960 Speaker 2: and the fact that we get to watch amazing tennis 24 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 2: both in person but also on our TVs. Is not nothing. 25 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 2: Is it weird going from crowd filled stadiums to now 26 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:26,759 Speaker 2: back to the crowd list stadiums for you. 27 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean a little bit. 28 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 3: But I think the players are so used to it 29 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 3: after what they went through last year, which was basically 30 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:36,320 Speaker 3: to have no people in the crowd. I think most 31 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 3: players had that experience at the US Open, and probably, 32 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 3: you know, maybe for once really really appreciate the public 33 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:43,639 Speaker 3: paying money to come. 34 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 4: And see them. 35 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 3: So let's hope that look that the crowds slowly get 36 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 3: back here in the US and I mean throughout Europe. 37 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 3: It's going to be really interesting because obviously Europe is 38 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 3: going through hell again with COVID. So I don't know, Caitlin, 39 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 3: I think everyone's just happy to make sure that they've 40 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 3: got some kind of people in the crowd. 41 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:10,399 Speaker 2: Completely right. That American crowd energy conversation is actually really 42 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 2: related to the guest we have today, who is a 43 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 2: young American woman who is absolutely on a tear. She 44 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 2: is having really a breakout season, and one of the 45 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 2: things that you guys talk about is her many years 46 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 2: spent you know, in a journey woman sort of way. 47 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 2: I usually hate using that term because it implies that somehow, 48 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 2: you know, people playing tennis at a professional level are 49 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 2: you know, not to be taken seriously unless they're in 50 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 2: the top twenty. That is absolutely not my stance. But 51 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 2: there is some truth to the idea of a journey person, 52 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 2: a journey woman, a journeyman, because when you are not 53 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 2: at the top of the game, you have to go 54 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 2: to you know, planes, trains and automobiles, to all sorts 55 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 2: of far flowing places, playing in front of nobody for 56 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 2: no money and very few points. And she really talks 57 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 2: about how that formed her, really her career and her 58 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 2: perception of tennis, and now having this breakout is a 59 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 2: really earned thing. It's fun to watch her. 60 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:05,519 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't want to get into how 61 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 3: like what we talked about, because you know, the whole 62 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 3: point of this is to hear from her about her experiences. 63 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 4: But look, the bottom line is that she is the She. 64 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 3: Is such a great role model for any player out 65 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 3: there that is toiling away. You know, it's just honest 66 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 3: to god, like people do not understand what it takes 67 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:26,799 Speaker 3: to get to where these players get and look there 68 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:28,959 Speaker 3: are the odd couple that come out and light the 69 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 3: world on fire, like Cocoa Golf and. 70 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 4: Get points and win tournaments and bomb they're in. 71 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 3: The top fifty in the world and they're able to 72 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 3: play all the big tournaments. But Jesspergoula is the epitome 73 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 3: of working your ass off to get to where you 74 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 3: got and also believing in yourself no matter what you 75 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 3: go through with injuries and self doubt, and then all 76 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 3: of a sudden, what it takes as a professional is 77 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 3: to believe in yourself and never give up. And she 78 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 3: epitomizes that to this day because boys, she having a 79 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 3: great twelve months and. 80 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 2: It's really fun to watch. So with that, we will 81 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 2: leave you with the young American breakout star probably of 82 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 2: twenty twenty one. We hope to see her keep it 83 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 2: going because it's really really fun to watch, Jess Pagoula. 84 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 5: All right, so I'm here with one and only Jess Pagoula. Jess, 85 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 5: thanks for joining me on the podcast. 86 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 1: First of all, yeah, thank you, thanks for having me. 87 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:22,280 Speaker 5: Now, a lot of people obviously that follow the podcast 88 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:24,559 Speaker 5: and follow tennis and all that sort of stuff, would 89 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 5: know you. But I'm sure that there's a lot of 90 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 5: people that don't really know you that well. Sort of 91 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 5: You've come into your own really greatly over the last 92 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:38,119 Speaker 5: I would say twelve to eighteen months. But I always 93 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:40,160 Speaker 5: start the pod by asking you why tennis? How did 94 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 5: you get into it? 95 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: Yeah? Really, my older sister played Division one and when 96 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: I was younger, I always grew up, you know, when 97 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: she was at high school playing tennis and being at 98 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: the court. So I started taking lessons after school and 99 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 1: that's really how I just got started. My dad playing 100 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 1: a little bit. My parents just recreational and they played 101 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 1: you know, racketball, so I was always kind of just around, 102 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 1: you know, the courts and rackets and tennis. So it's 103 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: kind of just how I got started. And I was 104 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:11,840 Speaker 1: pretty good for when I first started, and yeah, that's 105 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: basically how I first got into it. But I would 106 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 1: say definitely my older sister, she was a Division one player, 107 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: so that started it for me. 108 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 5: So, I mean, one of the questions I kind of 109 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:24,039 Speaker 5: wanted to ask is why didn't you pursue going to 110 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 5: college there? If that was sort of like what your 111 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 5: sister that was her? 112 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, yeah, my sister actually started super late. She 113 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: started like twelve or something, which is really late for 114 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:37,479 Speaker 1: a tennis player, and she was actually pretty good. I 115 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 1: mean she played one at her school and stuff like that. 116 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 1: For me, I thought about it a lot, and then 117 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 1: I did pretty well with Taylor Townsend that the US 118 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 1: Open and doubles and I was, you know, still ranked. 119 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: I don't know why I was ranked at the time, 120 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:54,039 Speaker 1: but I was winning matches on the first circuit. So yeah, 121 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:56,280 Speaker 1: my parents were just like, this is what she want 122 00:05:56,360 --> 00:06:00,040 Speaker 1: to do. See how it goes type of thing. I 123 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 1: think about maybe going somewhere for a year and then 124 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: trying to play, just to have you know, that backup 125 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: of I can go back, but it just kind of 126 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:13,559 Speaker 1: went to all in. And yeah, I think that ever since, 127 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: so just different, I guess. 128 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's always such an interesting thing, especially for American players. 129 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 5: Is having that moment of it must be really hot. 130 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 5: I think for for kids around the age of sixteen 131 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 5: to seventeen to make a I mean, because that's a 132 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 5: real lifelong decision. I mean, I mean, look, obviously you 133 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 5: come from, you know, a family where a lot of 134 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 5: a lot of kids do go to college because they 135 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 5: see that's the only way to like continue to play. 136 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 5: But you know, I do think it's a big decision 137 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:49,359 Speaker 5: because it's it can be a pivotal time in your life. 138 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 5: So I'm sure it was not an easy decision for 139 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 5: you though. 140 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:52,280 Speaker 2: No. 141 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:55,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean obviously, of people that know me, whatever 142 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 1: my background, I didn't. Did I technically need to go 143 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 1: to college to get a skari to keep my career going. No, 144 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 1: technically not. So maybe it was a little different for 145 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: me to make that decision. But it definitely is a 146 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: pivotal moment I think in your career, especially when I 147 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: mean still you see some college players coming through, but 148 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: a lot of them don't, and so it is definitely 149 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: something that you're thinking about. You're thinking, Okay, well, if 150 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: I make this commitment to go play in college, am 151 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: I going to be able to come out and play pro? 152 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: And like, how is that going to work? Because you 153 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: see some people do it, some people aren't that successful. 154 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: And then you see the other way where people do 155 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: want to go to college and they get better in 156 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: college and maybe they do burn out early trying to 157 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: play pros right away. So yeah, it's definitely I think 158 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: it's more of a pivotal decision than maybe people realize, 159 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: just because it is, you're basically deciding which way your 160 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: your career is going to go. And it's a big 161 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: difference playing full time on the pro circuit and going 162 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: to college. So I guess it depends on again about 163 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: what you want and what you're ready to commit to. 164 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 5: Really, so you know, going back to those you know, 165 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 5: early periods of your life because you know your Korea. 166 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 5: I mean, this is an incredible renaissance. I mean, really 167 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 5: what you're doing now at an older I guess age 168 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 5: of this incredible run in your career. But take me 169 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 5: back to the real grind of to a life. And 170 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 5: this is what I want people to understand, because I 171 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 5: want you to take you through the path of the 172 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 5: early part of your career up until this. 173 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: Oh no, it was. I mean it's a it's a grind. 174 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 1: There's really no other way to describe it. I mean 175 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 1: even juniors, even juniors when you first start playing, I 176 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 1: was going to Paraguay and Panama and I'm playing like 177 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: these you know, they call them grade fours fives, the 178 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: lowest level of junior tournaments, international junior tournaments to start 179 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: getting a ranking. And it's that's really where it starts. 180 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 1: And I think you see that, and you know it's 181 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: their IF tournaments. Nobody really cares about these ID tournaments. 182 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: So I mean you're playing in some really i mean 183 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 1: really dangerous places, places where you know you're if you're losing. 184 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: It's just really tough, especially week after week. I remember 185 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: just grinding out on you know, a red clay court 186 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: and in Paraguay and it's like there's no air conditioning anywhere. 187 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 1: You're like sitting in the bathroom, I remember, because it 188 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: was the only place there was a fan, so we 189 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: would all sit in this like bathroom, like this gross bathroom, 190 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: and you know, the courts were terrible. You know, you're 191 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:32,559 Speaker 1: getting horrible line calls. The umpires are virtually useless, like 192 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 1: they're just there like I don't know, we probably would 193 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: have been better calling our own lines, to be honest 194 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: and just like stuff like that. So it really starts 195 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:40,839 Speaker 1: pretty young. And that's when I was like thirteen or 196 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: fourteen years old, so I mean it's definitely starts young. 197 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: And then obviously going to the pro circuit, it's virtually 198 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:50,079 Speaker 1: like the same thing when you first start. I mean 199 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 1: you're starting off, you know, playing low level challengers and 200 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: you're just grinding in places that are tough to win. 201 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: I think that's I think that's almost like what we've 202 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: learned in COVID. It's just like when you almost like 203 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: kind of equal like equalize the playing field, it gets 204 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 1: so much harder. So when you're out there on like 205 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 1: a playing a twenty five, you know, in wherever, I 206 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: mean in the US, like I don't know, Alabama or something, 207 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: and it's pretty it's much harder to win at that 208 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 1: level because there's no fans, umpires aren't that great, like, 209 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: there's nothing. Everything is just the same for everybody. And 210 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: I feel like that's kind of what we've experienced almost 211 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 1: with COVID, where now the top players they're not at 212 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 1: this advantage. Everything's just all of a sudden and now 213 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 1: everyone's at this level playing field. So it's just hard 214 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 1: to win. I mean, it's just hard to grind weekend 215 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: week out and you know you're not making any money, 216 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:49,080 Speaker 1: you're probably losing money really, and the points are scarce, 217 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 1: and everyone's hungry. Everyone wants to win and wants to 218 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: get out of these tournaments, which again makes it even harder. 219 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 1: You don't have the luxury of you know, not playing 220 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: that week because you're injured or I feel that greater. Oh, 221 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: it's a tough match, and someone kind of like, you know, 222 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: throws in the towel a little early because they know 223 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 1: that they're ranked fifty in the world and they can 224 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 1: play a first round next week. So it's just little 225 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: things like that that. Yeah, I don't think the general 226 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 1: public really is aware of. It's just it's tough. Yeah, 227 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: I mean, no, you know it's tough. It's just it's 228 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: hard to explain if you haven't really been through it. 229 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, But I think that's the most important thing for 230 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 5: people to understand. And tennis is not about just appearing 231 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 5: at a WTA event. It's like all the layers and 232 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 5: I feel like it's like making the cake. You know, 233 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 5: you've got to have so many layers to get to 234 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 5: where you are. I guess one of the things that 235 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 5: I want to know then, considering where you are now, 236 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:45,959 Speaker 5: you're at your highest ranking. Congratulations, third World and singles. 237 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 5: That's amazing, Like what are those puvotal moments when you're 238 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 5: at a shithole place in the middle of nowhere. You know, 239 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 5: it can be anywhere in the US, or anywhere in 240 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 5: Europe or anywhere in South America. Is it just like 241 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 5: forcing yourself to literally want to study another day in 242 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 5: a place like Yeah. 243 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: I mean there were times I think, even yeah when 244 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: I was younger, where I lose or you lose a 245 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 1: tough match and you're just like what am I doing here? 246 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: You're like, you know, you kind of sit and you 247 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: look around and you're like, why am I here? Like 248 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: what am I doing? Like what am I even going towards? 249 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 1: What's the end goal in all of this? Because at 250 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 1: the time, when things are bad, you don't see that. 251 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 1: You just see I'm sitting here in this like crabby 252 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 1: hotel room. I just lost, I made no money. I 253 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: made like I got like five points my rankings like 254 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: six hundred. You know, you really do you think of what, 255 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: like what are you really doing in that moment? But 256 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: I think, again, it's just trying to keep perspective. I 257 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 1: think in the long term is what you're always kind 258 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:49,079 Speaker 1: of trying to do. I think when I was I 259 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 1: don't know, I think maybe two not getting so upset 260 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:55,679 Speaker 1: about each loss, because I you know, certain losses can 261 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 1: really drag you down. And I think at that time, 262 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: at least for me, I mean, I was losing quite 263 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 1: a bit I mean, I think usually people at some 264 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 1: point go through a transition period where they're getting used 265 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: to a new level and you're losing more than you're 266 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: used to. So that was definitely tough, and I think 267 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:16,559 Speaker 1: just keeping everything in perspective and again thinking of the 268 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 1: long term is really for me. It was really important 269 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: instead of getting so upset or feeling like the world 270 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 1: was ending after one loss, because again, being stuck in 271 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 1: a place that's not that great, where the hotel's bad, 272 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: where I don't know, you're fighting with your coach, you 273 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:34,319 Speaker 1: don't have a coach, and all these things can really 274 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:37,199 Speaker 1: just make it seem so much worse than it really is. 275 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 1: So to me, it was keeping things in perspective in 276 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: the long term and then just working every day just 277 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: to get a little bit better, and then you know, 278 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: having that positive mindset. It's so hard, but just forcing 279 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: yourself like you said, to do it, and then you know, 280 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:55,959 Speaker 1: when you do start seeing results, you kind of look 281 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,679 Speaker 1: back and you're like, okay, like that was the right 282 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: thing to do at the time. It's just in the 283 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: moment it's very hard. 284 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 5: You know, you obviously went through incredibly tough times with 285 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 5: your injuries as well, and so that on top balls, 286 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 5: going through this playing in these license and trying to 287 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 5: get points and trying to get your ranking up, and 288 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 5: then you get your ranking up, and then bang you 289 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 5: get an injury. Yeah, you know, you had some significant injuries. 290 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 5: So again, is that like looking at the big picture 291 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 5: or is that like just so hot as well to 292 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 5: constantly have to dig out of a rehab. Yeah. 293 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the first the first injury wasn't as bad. 294 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 1: When I had my knee scoped, it ended up not 295 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: being a huge deal. It was just one of those 296 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: things where no one really knew what it was. So 297 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: I was half playing, you know, I was trying to 298 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 1: play tournaments. But you know, I'm sure you've done that 299 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: where you're kind of hurt. Yeah, you're kind of hurt. 300 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: So mentally you're really not there, but like you're not 301 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 1: that hurt where you can still play, so you're trying. 302 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 1: Then you're also still getting MRIs and you're trying to 303 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: figure out what's wrong. That can be obviously again mentally 304 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: really tough because maybe you lose to some people you 305 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 1: beat before because you're not really there. So that that 306 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: is what happened with my first surgery. So really, the 307 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: surgery wasn't that bad, but the length of time I 308 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 1: took doing all of that, which was probably six months 309 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 1: prior to surgery, was made it seem much more elongated 310 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: than it really was. So yeah, I mean that's tough. 311 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: But after my first injury, I almost feel like I 312 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: was glad I got a little break because I was 313 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: grinding so much. So to me, it was almost a 314 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: blessing because I think I realized how much I really 315 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 1: wanted to do this after I was out for you know, 316 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 1: a few months after my surgery, I was like, Okay, 317 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 1: I want to do this, and I think it reignited 318 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: my passion a little bit more, a lot more, whereas 319 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: before maybe I was getting a little burnt out from 320 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: like what we're talking about, the grinding through tournaments. So 321 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: I came back pretty hungry, and I think I played. 322 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: You know, we have special rankings now where you can 323 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: freeze your ranking for injury, so I actually was able 324 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 1: to work that pretty smart and obviously do well at 325 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 1: the bigger tournaments where I did get my ranking up 326 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 1: pretty fast back to where it was. And then I 327 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: had my hip surgery, and that one was a lot 328 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: worse than my than my knee. That was it just 329 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 1: changed mechanically a lot of things in my body and 330 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: a lot of other things were affected. And that was 331 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: when I when I found out I had to get 332 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: surgery and I probably was going to get surgery. I yeah, 333 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: that one hit me hard. I was like very upset 334 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 1: for about like a week where I was just like, 335 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 1: I don't know if I can do this, like go 336 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: through rehab again. And I already knew what it was 337 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 1: like and I knew this was probably gonna be worse. 338 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: So that was mentally definitely harder for me than the 339 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: first injury. But I'm pretty resilient and then pretty relaxed, 340 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: so I think to me, I was upset for like 341 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: a week and then I was like, Okay, I'm gonna 342 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: do this, like I'm going to get through this. I'm 343 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: gonna get back and I'm going to be better than 344 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: I was before. And I was able to do that. 345 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: I don't know how really, I think it was just 346 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: me making up my mind like Okay, I'm not gonna 347 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: I'm not going to cry about this, I'm not gonna 348 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 1: get upset about this anymore. I'm going to do this rehab, 349 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:05,879 Speaker 1: come back better. I think it was just I don't know, 350 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:09,439 Speaker 1: I just set my mind to that, and yeah I 351 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: was able to do it. But it's yeah, it's rough. 352 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 1: It's a lot of mental battles with yourself constantly, like 353 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 1: Dan and Dick out for sure. 354 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 5: So you know, once you came back from there, I 355 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:22,640 Speaker 5: want to. 356 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 2: Know the. 357 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 5: Moment that that you kind of had a moment in 358 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 5: the probs where you said I'm pretty good, like I 359 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 5: think I can do this, like in a way where 360 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 5: I am not one hundred and forty. You know, so 361 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 5: perennially around when forty one fifty you went in main 362 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 5: draws of Grand Slams, Like what was that one moment 363 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:46,239 Speaker 5: where you went, you know what, screw this, like I'm 364 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:47,159 Speaker 5: actually better than this. 365 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 1: I think definitely hear it. It sounds weird, this isn't 366 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: going to be weird. But after well, definitely after I 367 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: won DC, I felt a lot more confident because I 368 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 1: want it honestly, not really playing that well you were there. 369 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, I just want you to know I witnessed so 370 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:06,640 Speaker 5: I think I'm a bit of a lucky chim. 371 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 1: Yes, so I yeah, you kind of are, so, I yeah, 372 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 1: I was. That was definitely a breakthrough for me because 373 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 1: I think I've said this before, maybe in another sense 374 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:19,160 Speaker 1: to someone else, but it was weird. I just started 375 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: working with David with and literally we knew each other 376 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 1: for like I knew him from before, but we worked 377 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: for the four days I think before we went to 378 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:28,880 Speaker 1: d C. D C was a Triald tournament. I didn't 379 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:31,679 Speaker 1: play that well before in the europe Swing, so I 380 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 1: wasn't feeling too hot. 381 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 5: But yeah, I think I don't know how that came 382 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 5: about with David before you get into DC. 383 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So my friend, so this guy, Adam Gusky, 384 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:46,120 Speaker 1: he works Did you meet Adam at the at City Open? 385 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: You saw him there? He was there with me. So 386 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: he has worked for my parents since I was like 387 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 1: twelve years old. He works in finance, and he started 388 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: working with me. He kind of came in to help 389 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: my parents like when I was literally like twelve years old. 390 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: But he also played at Duke University and played college 391 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:09,879 Speaker 1: or played college tennis, played junior tennis with David and 392 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 1: also like Michael Joyce, which is how I got connected 393 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 1: with him as well. So he was basically the guy, 394 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: but he has helped and coached me a little bit throughout. 395 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: Like my junior career and always helped me with tennis stuff. 396 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 1: And then he's married to Ansley Cargill, who played on 397 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:26,120 Speaker 1: the tour and played at Duke as well. So yes, 398 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: the lefty with the victory. She so I've had this 399 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 1: a little tight knish tennis, you know side of sort 400 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:39,360 Speaker 1: of family help. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that I always kind 401 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:41,119 Speaker 1: of go to when I need advice, and they're not 402 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: always around one hundred percent. But he connected me with David, 403 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: and really I think even with Michael, I think he 404 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 1: just facebooked them. He was like, hey, hey, are you 405 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 1: are you working with anyone? Are you looking to work? 406 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:56,159 Speaker 1: And after he was done with Venus, I think it 407 00:19:56,240 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 1: was a few years maybe in between there probably yeah, yeah, 408 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:03,679 Speaker 1: so that's kind of how that came about. It was 409 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: just pretty nonchalant. We're just looking to see who we 410 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: knew off the top of our heads, you know, isn't 411 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 1: working and would be available. And he reached out and 412 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 1: David was like yeah, and he David lives in Jacksonville, 413 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: so he just drove down. We trialed kind of that 414 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,479 Speaker 1: week before d C and it went well and we 415 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 1: were like, you know, you want to come to d C. 416 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: And that's kind of how it just started. It's not 417 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 1: it wasn't super crazy. 418 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:31,639 Speaker 5: It was pretty, uh, I guess cool. And I was like, 419 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 5: what are you doing here? He's like, we just be 420 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:37,879 Speaker 5: that one too, you know he and I obviously. 421 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:43,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny. So so yeah, so that's how that started. 422 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: And then he was also in d C because I 423 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: asked him to come with me because I just wanted 424 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: to him, you know, get a feel for David as 425 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: well and and for myself. 426 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 5: So I ended up to what was that moment in 427 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 5: d C d C. 428 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,199 Speaker 1: He I think think I won my first round, and 429 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: I think it was like a couple of top seeds 430 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:06,439 Speaker 1: lost kind of early. And I just remember we were 431 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:07,920 Speaker 1: looking at the draw and he just kind of looked 432 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 1: at me, and again he's used to winning with Venus, 433 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 1: you know, like it's you know, so it's a totally 434 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 1: different mindset than probably what I was thinking at the time. 435 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: And I just remember he was like, there's not a 436 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 1: reason you can't, I mean, you like can't win this tournament. 437 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 1: And I kind of was like, no one's really said 438 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: that to me before, and it's weird. Maybe people have 439 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: said it, like, you know, oh, always have a positive 440 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: mindset go in the tournament, but the way he said 441 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 1: it was just so like matter of fact and very 442 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: like direct. But at the same time, you know him, 443 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:36,439 Speaker 1: He's very relaxed, so it was kind of funny. I 444 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: was like, huh. I was like, yeah, like why not. 445 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: I to be honest, that was a very pivotal moment. 446 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 1: It was a silly moment that he probably doesn't even remember, 447 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 1: but for me, yeah, I played really well and I 448 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 1: ended up winning the tournament and didn't even play my 449 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: best tennis, but I was winning matches and playing much smarter, 450 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: and I think to win a tournament like that, I 451 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,400 Speaker 1: was like, Okay, Wow, I don't need to be playing 452 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 1: lights out to win a tournament. I can learn how 453 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,439 Speaker 1: to scrap my way, get better each round, figure it 454 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 1: out by round, and then in the finals I ended 455 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 1: up playing really well. So it was just one of 456 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 1: those moments where I don't think I've done that before, 457 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,680 Speaker 1: and I've definitely never done it that deep in a tournament, 458 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 1: So that was definitely a very pivotal moment where I 459 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,680 Speaker 1: was like, why I can do this well? 460 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:30,400 Speaker 5: I mean, I think that's so important for people to hear, 461 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 5: because I really believe so much in the power of 462 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 5: positive thinking when it comes to being realistic and hearing 463 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 5: you tell that story is so important for people out 464 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 5: there to understand the importance of sort of putting a 465 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 5: vision out there and if you really believe it, like 466 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,399 Speaker 5: Dave would have really believed that just from seeing you 467 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,120 Speaker 5: hit the ball and all that sort of stuff. So 468 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 5: I think it's incredible for people to know it's so 469 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 5: important to put that mindset in your brain because if 470 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 5: you don't, you're probably not going to achieve it. So 471 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 5: I think so so pushing forward from winning DC and 472 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 5: what's been the big transition from then, which was, yeah, 473 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 5: I'm pretty good too. I mean, these results over the 474 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 5: last three months, I mean, you're fifteen. I believe I 475 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,199 Speaker 5: wrote it down because I never did this, but I 476 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 5: did crap a little bit before. You're fifteen and four 477 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 5: this year, Like, I mean, what's been the difference from 478 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 5: the start of this year? In particular? You had pretty 479 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,399 Speaker 5: good results last year as well, but this is this 480 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 5: year's I mean, you've had you smoke. You're smoking people. 481 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 5: You're not like winning seven, five and third against these 482 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 5: great players. You're like smoking people. And obviously you I 483 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,199 Speaker 5: had to watch you smoke one of my players at 484 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 5: the Austraight and Open and sampl she goes, I didn't 485 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:51,679 Speaker 5: feel like I played back broad like I want you 486 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 5: to transition me into what is going on now? Yeah, 487 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:57,919 Speaker 5: like describe your Yeah. 488 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 1: I'll go back to year after COVID, I played World 489 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:07,199 Speaker 1: Team Tennis, and I got to see a glimpse of 490 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: like I'm more of a team player in general, like 491 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 1: I kind of always I grew up playing you know, 492 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: soccer and softball, and I always loved e doubles, like 493 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 1: always seemed like I came into my own playing a 494 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 1: team sport. So World Team Tennis the first time I played, 495 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,880 Speaker 1: and I like loved it, and I played really well 496 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 1: the entire time. And I think I lost one match 497 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 1: and it was to pair, and I think it was 498 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:30,439 Speaker 1: in a tie break, so I don't even know if 499 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,719 Speaker 1: that counts, but and I was playing and it's obviously 500 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 1: it's different scoring, but I was playing singles, doubles and 501 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 1: mixed because Danielle ended up leaving, so that was like again, 502 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 1: that kind of started it. And it's weird to think 503 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,679 Speaker 1: that it was World Team Tennis, but I think I 504 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,879 Speaker 1: just got like my mojo kind of back from playing 505 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 1: in that team environment and also beating pretty good players consistently. 506 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:59,160 Speaker 1: That really like sparked my confidence. I'm not really sure why. Again, 507 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 1: I think because I really thrive off like a team atmosphere, 508 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: and that like really sparked it for whatever reason. So 509 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 1: I was able to take that into your soap in Cincinnati, 510 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,200 Speaker 1: get some good wins there, you know, do better in 511 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 1: a slam, which was one of my goals. And then 512 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 1: coming into this year, yeah, I just I don't know 513 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,400 Speaker 1: we had that. I wasn't in the hard quarantine in Australia, 514 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,120 Speaker 1: so I got two weeks of really good practice and 515 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 1: you know, and then I see I play Azarenka first round, 516 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: and I was kind of like, okay, I played fiddle 517 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 1: in a first round aboud abbe earlier that year or 518 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 1: in January, and I lost, and I was like it 519 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,439 Speaker 1: was close, and so yeah, I'm kind of just like 520 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:41,640 Speaker 1: Eaven and I are looking. I'm like, okay, I play 521 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,440 Speaker 1: Azarenka and He's just kind of like, all right, well 522 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 1: so you got to make your own draw these days, 523 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: like come on, like let's go. And I was just 524 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:53,440 Speaker 1: kind of I don't really know what happened, but obviously 525 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 1: that win definitely carried a lot of confidence going into 526 00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 1: up to today. So I mean, I think obviously I 527 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:02,680 Speaker 1: came back the first set, was able to scrape out 528 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:04,919 Speaker 1: the first set. She had some issues going on in 529 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,439 Speaker 1: the second whatever, it was a lot going on, but 530 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 1: I was still able to win the match, which was 531 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 1: a lot for me mentally, just also because it's tough 532 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,719 Speaker 1: playing to someone that's struggling with the heat or asthma 533 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 1: or whatever it was. And to put that away and 534 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 1: put away a top player who loves playing in Australia, 535 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 1: that just kind of like, I don't know, the confidence 536 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 1: just came from that as well, on top of last 537 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 1: year and it just I don't know, it's just it's 538 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 1: been building like every time, and I think I've just 539 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,679 Speaker 1: decided like, Okay, I can be a top player, Like 540 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 1: there's no reason I can't be. Like the only thing 541 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,120 Speaker 1: that would really be holding me back, like you said, 542 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 1: is my way of thinking, Like I'm doing all the work. 543 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 1: Their practices are good, I'm putting the work in the gym, 544 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 1: I'm pretty healthy. There's no reason that I can't do this. 545 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 1: So I think against Azarenka, maybe I got all the 546 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: lucky some I think you need a little luck too. 547 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 1: I don't know, but I was able to win win 548 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: that match, and then I think I just I was 549 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 1: able to just build every single match and not look back. 550 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 1: I wasn't being negative at all. It was point by point, 551 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 1: I was like every point, I'm just there like every 552 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: single time. I just I think I decided too that 553 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 1: I wasn't taking any points off, any games off, like 554 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 1: I was going to be there every single point and 555 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 1: just feel like they couldn't breathe. 556 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:25,919 Speaker 5: Basically, Yeah, I can tell you like coaching against you, 557 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 5: I honestly in that match's very few times where I 558 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 5: think there are ways to get to somebody's weakness. And 559 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 5: there was a couple of things that I wish that 560 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 5: Sam had done. Given the circumstances. It was like there 561 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:46,880 Speaker 5: was no And I think that's so well said, because 562 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 5: there was no breathing room. Yeah, and because your style 563 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,679 Speaker 5: is so hard and flat and becomes like a slingshot 564 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 5: kind of off your record, you play a very unique 565 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:01,199 Speaker 5: style to what we kind of see these days. Not tall, 566 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:06,160 Speaker 5: but Paul is so heavy, So I think that's tremendous. 567 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 5: And I know you and David worked a lot on 568 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 5: your serf and various different things in your and you know, 569 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 5: I just want to know. I just want you to know, 570 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 5: like and want people to know that listen to this podcast. 571 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 5: Is that one of the most meaningful and memorable moments 572 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,439 Speaker 5: that I had of being around you was during COVID 573 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 5: when we came back and we played a tournament exhibition 574 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 5: in Charleston. You were the ultimate invited to that tournament, okay, 575 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 5: And there was every American and a couple of like randoms, 576 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 5: like you know, Canadians in there, and you were the ultimate. 577 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 5: And I remember and it was so blazing hot that week. 578 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 5: And after it, I was working with Genie Bouchard and 579 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 5: we went and practice with you a couple of times 580 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 5: at once on hardcourt, and I remember you and Dave 581 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 5: out there just grinding away on hard court, not knowing 582 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 5: where the hell we were playing next Xington. We all 583 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 5: drove up here together. You asked me on the highway 584 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 5: and I'd had an accident. You didn't care. But you know, 585 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 5: it's like these little things that I remember so distinctly 586 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 5: about you and now where you are in your career, 587 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 5: and I think nobody, nobody sees that, yeah, you know, 588 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,959 Speaker 5: And I kept thinking to myself like, here you are 589 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 5: grinding out here, not even knowing where you're playing next. 590 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 5: You're doing four hours a day on the tennis school 591 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 5: in a hundred degree heat, And I thought, you know what, 592 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 5: if this kid does well, I hope people will know 593 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 5: that this doesn't just happen overnight. Y. You know, as 594 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 5: a viewer of sort of what you've gone through over 595 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 5: the last twelve months, it's great to see. 596 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,719 Speaker 1: Oh, thank you, because that are those are the moments 597 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 1: that I mean, it's not just me that other people 598 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 1: do too, but those are the moments I think that 599 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 1: that matter. That when people aren't, no, aren't noticing you, 600 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 1: you know, and people ask me out and like you 601 00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 1: go back to that. I forgot about that. Yeah, I 602 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 1: wasn't even paid to play in the Charles indurnament. I 603 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 1: was this. I was like you serious. I was like okay, fine. 604 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 1: I was like, I'll get two great weeks of PRAC 605 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 1: or one great week of practice in and go play 606 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 1: Lexington or that event there and see how it goes. 607 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 1: Like It's just I think I've yeah, I've done a 608 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 1: good job of I think being adaptable to any situation 609 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 1: and then just kind of keeping my head down and 610 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 1: like you said, focusing on the positive and putting in 611 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 1: the work in where I can, because you know, everyone's 612 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 1: working hard, everyone's good, So it's just kind of, yeah, 613 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 1: in those tough moments, kind of doing more and pushing yourself. 614 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 1: It comes back around, you know. I'm sure it came 615 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 1: back around at some point, like you said, the last 616 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 1: few months, So you never know when it's gonna happen. 617 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 1: And I think that's really important for anybody. 618 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 2: You know. 619 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 5: You know, thinking back to that those couple of weeks, 620 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 5: you know, it was like you and Jenny Brady, you know, 621 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:01,959 Speaker 5: like you guys have such a make like the players 622 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 5: that are coming through, Americans that are coming through now 623 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 5: that sort of were those players that were in the 624 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 5: per field. They went to Madison Keys, like those guys 625 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 5: were having pretty great, tremendous endsun finals, winning slams. You're 626 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 5: all about the same age, yeah, I know, because obviously 627 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 5: Jenny went to college. So how do you extinguish yourself 628 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 5: with those Americans now? And what about your friendships particularly 629 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 5: with that let's call you guys the second tier players 630 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 5: all of a sudden, Yeah, guys, the premium Americans playing, 631 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 5: And how does that feel for you. 632 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I think it's really cool. And I think too, 633 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 1: what's helped in a way, Like I said, I thrive 634 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 1: off of a team environment sometimes, and I think almost 635 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: I've tried to think of that way with Jenny, with Shelby, 636 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 1: with other girls that are coming up, and you know, 637 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 1: we're all kind of older, and we've had some injuries 638 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 1: and we're not old, but we're not We're not eighteen 639 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 1: coming on the scene. You know, we're definitely been through 640 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff. Yea, as far as i'm Medisin 641 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 1: and Sloane have kind of been you know, the face 642 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 1: and Serena obviously, but mass and slung behind Serena kind 643 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 1: of the face for a while now, So I think again, 644 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: Covid just kind of I think, kind of just knocked 645 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 1: everyone down and kind of said, all right, everyone's here now, 646 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 1: let's see how everyone does. And it's just been cool 647 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 1: to see us take that adversity really really well. And yeah, 648 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 1: it's exciting to be although some people still say, oh, 649 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 1: the young American young, I don't think I need to 650 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 1: be referred to as a young American coming up now, 651 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 1: but yeah, it's just I don't know, it's just interesting. 652 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 1: It's just it's funny how tennis I think changes so much. 653 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: There's always the the young kids coming up, and then 654 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 1: you saw a couple of years ago people doing well 655 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 1: at like twenty seven, twenty eight, and then we kind 656 00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: of had the young people again with Cocoa and young 657 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 1: as like that breaking through, and now we're kind of 658 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 1: just seeing the death. 659 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 5: I've always said that success breeds success, and I think 660 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 5: that you guys, you guys are sorry, did I lose you? 661 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 5: Are you still there? 662 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 1: A second? But I've heard you since you start talking again? 663 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 5: Yeah? Sorry, we can we edit all of this, Yeah, 664 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 5: the times where you went, we'll fix that up but later. 665 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 5: But yeah, I think it's I've always said success breed success, 666 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 5: and I think what you guys, particularly like you said, 667 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:44,200 Speaker 5: Shelby and you and Jenny in particular, because I would 668 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 5: put you three in a category of like not quite 669 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 5: sure if you think you're good enough, and then all 670 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 5: of a suddenly like wait a second, actually we are showing, 671 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 5: in my opinion, kind of showing each other that you 672 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 5: are with the three of you, because you're kind assuming 673 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 5: that hold on, I lost you there, come back to me. 674 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:20,359 Speaker 5: Oh can you hear me? Yes? Yeah, sorry, let me. Oh, 675 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:20,839 Speaker 5: I'm gonna. 676 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna, yeah, for sure. I mean that's I feel 677 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,839 Speaker 1: like when COVID happened, we came back. Yeah, go ahead, no, 678 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,439 Speaker 1: go ahead, but you know you hear me? Yeah, yeah, 679 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 1: I can hear you. 680 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:34,400 Speaker 5: Go ahead. 681 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, you were talking about COVID. How COVID You think 682 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 1: that helped you guys? Okay, no, yeah, I think it 683 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,799 Speaker 1: was kind of funny because you're so that COVID. We 684 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:52,799 Speaker 1: came back and we were like, wait a second. 685 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,319 Speaker 5: We're not Yeah, go ahead, can you hear me? Yeah, 686 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:03,440 Speaker 5: like I'm delayed. Yeah, I can hear you hear me. 687 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:07,160 Speaker 1: Okay, I think you're delayed. I'm getting like a delayed. 688 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:09,319 Speaker 5: This was like not an ad zoom. 689 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 1: I can hear you and hold on, let me see. 690 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 5: I'm gonna. 691 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 1: I'm good. 692 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, there we go. Oh there you are? There you 693 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,799 Speaker 5: all right? Maybe we back to moment. Go ahead, tell 694 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:23,480 Speaker 5: me about COVID. 695 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. I like what you said. It was 696 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:32,239 Speaker 1: kind of funny, like maybe we're not good enough, and 697 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 1: then we came back and we're like, wait a second, 698 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,480 Speaker 1: we are. That's like I really feel like that's what 699 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:42,919 Speaker 1: happened after COVID. We're not quite done yet came back 700 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:47,400 Speaker 1: with a vengeance for some reason. And I think honestly, 701 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,880 Speaker 1: all of our records have been pretty unbelievable. Person she 702 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 1: lost to in Australia was Ash So, I mean, she's 703 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 1: been killing it. She beat Serena last year. She'd be 704 00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,440 Speaker 1: committed last year. Jenny's Harport record has been I mean, 705 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,759 Speaker 1: one of the only people she's lost is me, and 706 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:10,320 Speaker 1: my record has been pretty high. So it's been crazy, like. 707 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:13,719 Speaker 5: And like o soccer and just just dig it right them. 708 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 1: I know, it's funny in Australia and everyone's like, oh yeah, 709 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,759 Speaker 1: the Jenny's hardcore. It's been like records like twenty and 710 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,719 Speaker 1: two and I'm like, yeah, one of those losses was me. 711 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,520 Speaker 1: So but it's just cool to see, like that's literally 712 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,400 Speaker 1: all all of us are like right there. It's like unbelievable. 713 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 1: So it's yeah, it's just it's really cool to see us. Yeah, 714 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,839 Speaker 1: just showing again that like the depth and how much 715 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,440 Speaker 1: you can improve and it really matters how you take 716 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,480 Speaker 1: adversity and get better, and that's really what we've done. 717 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 1: I mean, we've definitely changed things up. Shelby is an 718 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:48,240 Speaker 1: unbelievable shape now, she's healthy, she's down here in Florida. 719 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,560 Speaker 1: I just hit with her today, Jenny, you know, decided 720 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,320 Speaker 1: to I'm gonna go to Germany. I'm gonna do my 721 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,319 Speaker 1: whole new thing and have my whole new team and 722 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,799 Speaker 1: just see how that's paid off. And it's just it's 723 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:00,480 Speaker 1: just cool to see us kind of taking it on 724 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,400 Speaker 1: head on, on our own as our own responsibility and 725 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 1: kind of the you know, because you are kind of 726 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 1: a CEO of your own team, and just take it 727 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,759 Speaker 1: and you know, decide, Okay, I'm going to do this. 728 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:12,400 Speaker 1: I'm going to do it the right way. I'm going 729 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,920 Speaker 1: to you know, put in the work and then you 730 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:19,000 Speaker 1: just get results. And I really feel like that's just 731 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:21,240 Speaker 1: all we've kind of done. 732 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:26,200 Speaker 5: But I think what it tells me too, And I 733 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 5: think it's really important for people, you know, surround yourself 734 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:33,920 Speaker 5: with the right people and also believe in yourself, Like really, 735 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,840 Speaker 5: really you have to have people around you that really 736 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,200 Speaker 5: believe in your talent and your ability because everybody is 737 00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:44,200 Speaker 5: so everybody is so close, and I think the tipping 738 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,560 Speaker 5: point for a lot of players is the mental side. 739 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,239 Speaker 5: If everybody works hard, it's just how much do you 740 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,680 Speaker 5: believe you're in the biggest of moments, like at break point, 741 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,360 Speaker 5: what do you tell yourself at that moment? How do 742 00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,479 Speaker 5: you not get too far ahead? Becare's all these things 743 00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,719 Speaker 5: that you have to learn and now and now you're 744 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:01,799 Speaker 5: going with that and you're learning so much and you're 745 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:02,640 Speaker 5: doing so well out of it. 746 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:07,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. It's true. It's just 747 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:09,280 Speaker 1: mental for sure. 748 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,680 Speaker 5: This interesting that you said about being the CEO of 749 00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:17,759 Speaker 5: your own sort of destiny and things. And obviously, look, 750 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,480 Speaker 5: you come from a family now that you know own 751 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,200 Speaker 5: the Buffalo Bills and the Sabers, and your mom is 752 00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,840 Speaker 5: the president of these endeavors as well. How much of 753 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:30,680 Speaker 5: an influence is someone like your mom in your life? 754 00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,640 Speaker 5: Considering your young woman, you know, I know that eventually 755 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,480 Speaker 5: when you stop playing tennis you want to go into 756 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,439 Speaker 5: other things. Like how much has that been a great 757 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:41,600 Speaker 5: role model for you to see and also your father 758 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,480 Speaker 5: giving your mom that opportunity to be like run with it. 759 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, it's pretty I mean it's pretty cool, 760 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:52,080 Speaker 1: especially today's day and age. Like you said, like my mom, 761 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,239 Speaker 1: like my mom does everything like people see my dad 762 00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,279 Speaker 1: and my dad cannot function without my mom, So she 763 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:03,160 Speaker 1: is like, yeah, she does all of the dirt. I mean, 764 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,000 Speaker 1: my dad's great and he's brilliant, but she definitely runs 765 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:07,920 Speaker 1: the show and she makes things happen. And I think 766 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,640 Speaker 1: I've learned from hers that she is like a super 767 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,879 Speaker 1: like she loves work. She just loves to work, doesn't 768 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:16,879 Speaker 1: matter what it is. She just loves to stay busy 769 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:18,719 Speaker 1: and to do things. And I feel like growing up, 770 00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:20,759 Speaker 1: even with my tennis, she was so mad of fact 771 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,000 Speaker 1: with things like if I got hurt or something happened, 772 00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:24,960 Speaker 1: she'd be like, Okay, well you need to pursue the 773 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:26,600 Speaker 1: doctor and we're going to do this, and you need 774 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,240 Speaker 1: to look up this person and you need to figure 775 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,480 Speaker 1: out are you going to do your rehab and have 776 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:34,120 Speaker 1: you looked into eating this or taking this supplement that's 777 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,200 Speaker 1: going to help. Like it was like so immediate. I'd 778 00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,080 Speaker 1: be like Mom, like chill, and she'd be like no, 779 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,520 Speaker 1: like let's do it now. Like it was so like 780 00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,479 Speaker 1: right away, what are you going to do to kind 781 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,319 Speaker 1: of fix the situation? But like she was always I 782 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,680 Speaker 1: mean like she always, even with my whole family, like 783 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,719 Speaker 1: always put the responsibility on us too. So I think 784 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:58,080 Speaker 1: I've learned that with Tennis like being CEO, so to speak. 785 00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,160 Speaker 1: She's always Yeah, she'd be like, I'm like, yeah, I 786 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:02,760 Speaker 1: don't feel well. She'd be like, we'll make an appointment 787 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:04,319 Speaker 1: with the doctor. I'm like, but I don't even know 788 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,640 Speaker 1: what my doctor. She's like, Oh, here's his number, call 789 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:10,040 Speaker 1: him up. Do it. Like it was so yeah, like 790 00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:14,399 Speaker 1: do it yourself, figure it out, Like just do it. 791 00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,000 Speaker 1: And that's like kind of what she's always said, if 792 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:18,880 Speaker 1: it's meant to be, it's up to me, and like 793 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,920 Speaker 1: that's kind of what she's given to us, Like, Okay, 794 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,480 Speaker 1: it's up to you to like to make a difference 795 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:26,360 Speaker 1: or to change this or to fix this, or to 796 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,799 Speaker 1: get better at this. And I think that's what she 797 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:32,080 Speaker 1: does now obviously, which she's done her whole life really, 798 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,319 Speaker 1: and that's definitely transitioned. 799 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,560 Speaker 5: I you know, when I'm doing a little bit of 800 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,920 Speaker 5: research just on you and your family, so one of 801 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,239 Speaker 5: the things that I did not know your mom's background. Yeah, 802 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:51,200 Speaker 5: I just think that it's so incredibly fascinating to have 803 00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:56,319 Speaker 5: been born into this world and literally have no idea. Yeah, 804 00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,960 Speaker 5: if you're going where you're heading, born in South Korea, 805 00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:04,319 Speaker 5: literally on the street, So you know, talk to me 806 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:10,239 Speaker 5: about the incredible with and sort of depth and I 807 00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,919 Speaker 5: don't even know how to put it. Where your mom 808 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,279 Speaker 5: comes from from that life, which is born into a 809 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,960 Speaker 5: life of just like who the fuck knows right to 810 00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:22,719 Speaker 5: now being you know obviously, Look, the elephant in the 811 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,640 Speaker 5: room is your family is very wealthy, right, So explain 812 00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,120 Speaker 5: to me the importance of maybe what your mom went 813 00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:33,760 Speaker 5: through as a child has weaved its way into your life, 814 00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:37,879 Speaker 5: because I'm always fascinated and honestly, Jess, like I really 815 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:39,920 Speaker 5: want to know, like when you come, when you were 816 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,640 Speaker 5: born into a family of wealth, you have to grind, 817 00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,279 Speaker 5: and I mean your ranking is where it is from 818 00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,200 Speaker 5: the work that you've done. Nothing ended to you. Okay, 819 00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,160 Speaker 5: so you're ranked thirty three in the world and had 820 00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,799 Speaker 5: the results and had to grind and fucking tournaments in 821 00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,680 Speaker 5: Paragua and all the shit to get the ranking you get. 822 00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,480 Speaker 5: Nothing was given to you, right, I want to know 823 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,200 Speaker 5: how it was for you in those moments and of 824 00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:04,680 Speaker 5: why am I here? Why the hell am I putting 825 00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:08,120 Speaker 5: myself through this? Why am I driving overnight? All stuff 826 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,920 Speaker 5: that everybody has to deal with, and if you're from 827 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,840 Speaker 5: a poor family, you have no choice. 828 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:15,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, but you had a choice. 829 00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:20,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, I want to know me personally, like, how how 830 00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,560 Speaker 5: do you reconcile and deal with how did you deal 831 00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,440 Speaker 5: with that? Because I'm fascinated with that. 832 00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:30,839 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, so like again, yeah, my mom came from 833 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,319 Speaker 1: virtually nothing, like I don't like you said. I mean, 834 00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,880 Speaker 1: it was like a who the hell knows who she 835 00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,000 Speaker 1: is in the world, right, And I mean my dad, 836 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,480 Speaker 1: my dad also came from that too, just he was 837 00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,960 Speaker 1: an adopted He grew up really dirt poor, and he 838 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,279 Speaker 1: always tells these stories and stuff like that. So I 839 00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:51,759 Speaker 1: think both of them came from that and obviously worked 840 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:55,200 Speaker 1: their way up built this whole empire kind of thing now. 841 00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,800 Speaker 1: But for me, for me, the real like we I 842 00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:01,520 Speaker 1: don't I think we bought the Sabers. So I was 843 00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:05,200 Speaker 1: like seventeen, So to me, like playing tenant like that 844 00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,680 Speaker 1: was my goal since I was like seven or eight whatever, 845 00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,080 Speaker 1: number one in the world professional Test, but winning Grand 846 00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,520 Speaker 1: Slam whatever like that was always my goal. So that 847 00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,160 Speaker 1: never really changed. And when all that other stuff happened, 848 00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:17,880 Speaker 1: I was just like, oh, that's I mean, this is 849 00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:19,920 Speaker 1: really cool. And I was really excited for my parents 850 00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:24,319 Speaker 1: because again, it was like my dad's dream to own 851 00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:28,040 Speaker 1: a hockey team. Actually, my sister found an article from 852 00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,439 Speaker 1: like a long long time ago, and they were talking 853 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,759 Speaker 1: about if you ever come in hit this well and 854 00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:34,759 Speaker 1: come into all this money, what are you going to do? 855 00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,520 Speaker 1: And one of his things on there was own a 856 00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:40,520 Speaker 1: sports franchise, possibly the Buffalo Sabers, And this was from 857 00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,880 Speaker 1: like nineteen eighty something, I think. So it was pretty 858 00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,879 Speaker 1: cool to see him literally, like you said, visualized talk 859 00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:50,839 Speaker 1: that into happening. So there was so of course I 860 00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,239 Speaker 1: was very happy for them, you know, to see their 861 00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:58,680 Speaker 1: dreams kind of evolved. And yeah, I think at that stage, 862 00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:02,480 Speaker 1: I think I was almost too too like worried about 863 00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,440 Speaker 1: making a name for myself. I'm like too like, oh, 864 00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,080 Speaker 1: I need to separate myself and I need to do 865 00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,080 Speaker 1: well and I don't need any help and blah blah 866 00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,200 Speaker 1: blah blah. That it was almost kind of hurting me. 867 00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:12,759 Speaker 1: So I think at that point when we bought this, 868 00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,160 Speaker 1: when we bought the bills, and then it was even 869 00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,200 Speaker 1: more our family was more in the spotlight of you 870 00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,800 Speaker 1: know that kind of stuff. I think I just realized 871 00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:24,400 Speaker 1: that I should maybe embrace that I have a really 872 00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,840 Speaker 1: cool story and I have like this really cool family 873 00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,440 Speaker 1: that's doing all this stuff and instead of kind of 874 00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:32,840 Speaker 1: ignoring it and shying away from it, so maybe just 875 00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,319 Speaker 1: embrace it a little bit more and not be so 876 00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,400 Speaker 1: not against it, but kind of, you know, not be 877 00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,399 Speaker 1: so standoffish with Oh, I need to make my own 878 00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,760 Speaker 1: name for myself, because it was never going to go away, 879 00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,080 Speaker 1: Like it's never going to go anywhere. So I think 880 00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,680 Speaker 1: I just decided, you know what, I can't get rid 881 00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,520 Speaker 1: of this story. I'm not upset about this story. This 882 00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:52,680 Speaker 1: is really cool. So maybe I just need to kind 883 00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:56,799 Speaker 1: of embrace it and appreciate it more for what it 884 00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:01,320 Speaker 1: is than kind of, you know, hold a grudge against 885 00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,840 Speaker 1: it in a way. So I mean, but to me, 886 00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,400 Speaker 1: like you said, the forcing yourself when I had a choice, 887 00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:09,759 Speaker 1: I don't know, that was just always my mindset when 888 00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,920 Speaker 1: I was young, Like it never really changed no matter 889 00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,360 Speaker 1: what happened. And I don't know if that is again 890 00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:19,120 Speaker 1: for my parents' point of view, but also I just 891 00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:20,560 Speaker 1: think it was my dream and it was what I 892 00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,040 Speaker 1: was passionate about, and I think it's hard to change 893 00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:27,480 Speaker 1: that type of thinking, you know, in those tough moments 894 00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,480 Speaker 1: of course, you're like, what am I doing? I do 895 00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,239 Speaker 1: have a choice, but like I said, I usually got 896 00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,680 Speaker 1: over it pretty quick and decided that that was definitely 897 00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:38,759 Speaker 1: the easier way out, and I didn't really want to 898 00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,160 Speaker 1: take the easy way. I knew if I could stick 899 00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,440 Speaker 1: to the hard way that I would be much happier 900 00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,000 Speaker 1: that way, just because it's what I wanted to do. 901 00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:51,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, I you know, I just I find it so fascinating. 902 00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:55,760 Speaker 5: I think a lot of people you would in one way, 903 00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:59,319 Speaker 5: But for me, having gone through a professional tennis career 904 00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,440 Speaker 5: and knowing how much it takes to get to be 905 00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:06,000 Speaker 5: really good, I sometimes wonder. I'm like, if I knew 906 00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:09,200 Speaker 5: I had this, how much would I push myself? And 907 00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:13,040 Speaker 5: I am always so fascinated in that perspective. And I 908 00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,319 Speaker 5: do think that you were born innately to want to 909 00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,680 Speaker 5: be really good at something, and I think your parents 910 00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,480 Speaker 5: proved that by doing what you did and transitioning from 911 00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,640 Speaker 5: what they were born into to be doing what they became. 912 00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:25,839 Speaker 5: And then I think you're making the transition of your 913 00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:29,360 Speaker 5: own life. Yeah, wonderful things, and I think that comes 914 00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:33,960 Speaker 5: from them and their upbringing. So yeah, that's great. Listen, 915 00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,240 Speaker 5: I've had you here for a while. Just a couple 916 00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:42,560 Speaker 5: more questions about there's so much to cover. I know, 917 00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:44,160 Speaker 5: I know, and this is where I get to have 918 00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:48,160 Speaker 5: the joy of having Caitlin edited off. So she but 919 00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,880 Speaker 5: what's the smartest couple of questions that Mary Kirillo threw 920 00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:53,920 Speaker 5: at me because I told her to interview you, and 921 00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,400 Speaker 5: she was like, so, what would you ask Jessica? You 922 00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,120 Speaker 5: know if Mary always comes up with the s fascinating 923 00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,600 Speaker 5: kind of fun things. But she said, that's a smartest 924 00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,399 Speaker 5: someone has. What's the smartest thing someone's ever told you 925 00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,000 Speaker 5: about tennis and your game? 926 00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:11,160 Speaker 1: Oh, the smartest thing anyone's ever told me about tennis 927 00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:14,080 Speaker 1: in my game? Oh that's really hard. 928 00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:17,440 Speaker 5: Think for a moment where someone has swelled. I think 929 00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,200 Speaker 5: you've probably answered that with David telling you that, hey, 930 00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:24,759 Speaker 5: I can't. But what about something in your game that 931 00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,600 Speaker 5: you maybe didn't recognize before that someone has helped you 932 00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:29,239 Speaker 5: recognize how good it is? 933 00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:37,120 Speaker 1: I don't, I don't know. I think. I mean, it 934 00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:39,560 Speaker 1: could go back to when I was even in juniors 935 00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:41,279 Speaker 1: and I always hit the ball really well, but I 936 00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:45,000 Speaker 1: really had no idea how to play tennis. So I 937 00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:49,400 Speaker 1: mean it could have been something like I don't even 938 00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:50,879 Speaker 1: know how to word it because I don't even know 939 00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:57,319 Speaker 1: that's really hard I think about it. I don't even 940 00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,120 Speaker 1: I have no idea what someone told the smartest thing 941 00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:04,239 Speaker 1: someone told me about my my game, I don't. I 942 00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:05,000 Speaker 1: honestly don't know. 943 00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:09,759 Speaker 5: Maybe, well, I think you it's really interesting that you 944 00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,520 Speaker 5: said that your opponents didn't have a lot of time degree. 945 00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:14,080 Speaker 5: I think it's really well said. 946 00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:16,919 Speaker 1: Well, that's what I mean. So I when I was yeah, 947 00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:21,000 Speaker 1: in juniors, of course I learned I can take away 948 00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:24,040 Speaker 1: people's time, and it was like this like monumental thing. 949 00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,960 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, like that's what it's like, that's 950 00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:30,400 Speaker 1: what this is all about. And my ball specifically, like 951 00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:33,600 Speaker 1: you said, is kind of slingshots. Multiple people have told 952 00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:39,160 Speaker 1: me that, yeah, and I think i've I've had I mean, 953 00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,919 Speaker 1: I would say probably Michael Joyce really developed that part 954 00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:44,799 Speaker 1: of my game really well, because I was like, I 955 00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,520 Speaker 1: think seventeen eighteen when I started working with him, So 956 00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:49,840 Speaker 1: that was when I started to realize, oh, okay, I 957 00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:53,520 Speaker 1: need to take away people's time. So something along the 958 00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,000 Speaker 1: lines of that. I don't know if there was like 959 00:48:55,800 --> 00:49:00,920 Speaker 1: a specific line that someone told me about my game, 960 00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:05,680 Speaker 1: but it's something along time. I think I think you 961 00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:09,319 Speaker 1: understand your game really well. Which is great. 962 00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:12,080 Speaker 5: You said something to me about how your I think 963 00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:14,080 Speaker 5: it was your dad asking me about do you watch 964 00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:17,399 Speaker 5: like video and things like that, and you're like, yeah, 965 00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,319 Speaker 5: of course I watch video of my I want to know, 966 00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,600 Speaker 5: like how much interaction you have with like your dad 967 00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:24,400 Speaker 5: or your mom. When it comes to the football players, 968 00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:25,640 Speaker 5: you like, do you like call it? And me like 969 00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:26,520 Speaker 5: this guy's a bum. 970 00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,319 Speaker 1: Well, we have like a little family group chat and 971 00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:34,799 Speaker 1: it definitely gets Yeah, we definitely like to our whole 972 00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:36,719 Speaker 1: family likes to put in our two cents and they're like, 973 00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:38,480 Speaker 1: you don't know what you're talking about. You know, you're 974 00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,560 Speaker 1: not there, you don't know the full story. And we're 975 00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:44,000 Speaker 1: like yeah, whatever, like this was a stupid play or 976 00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,400 Speaker 1: this is a bad idea, and like, well, we're pretty 977 00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,760 Speaker 1: a candid family where we'll tell each other what we think. 978 00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:53,359 Speaker 1: So yeah, there's definitely a lot of moments like that 979 00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:55,600 Speaker 1: with the with the football. Although when they try to 980 00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:59,279 Speaker 1: tell me stuff, I'm like, yeah, don't the same thing 981 00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:00,959 Speaker 1: that they do to me. I'm like, no, you don't 982 00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:05,319 Speaker 1: know anything. Just don't stay that doesn't yeah, just stay 983 00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:08,120 Speaker 1: out of it. What's the goal going ahead? 984 00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,640 Speaker 5: Like what do you what has David said, and how 985 00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:13,080 Speaker 5: do you feel about the next six months? What's your goal? 986 00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:19,760 Speaker 5: Remember you gotta said it, Hi, I know, well. 987 00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,640 Speaker 1: I mean to be honest, like I'll be completely honest. 988 00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:26,440 Speaker 1: I think last, maybe last, I don't know, Christmas. This 989 00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:30,120 Speaker 1: past like December January. I told myself. I think I 990 00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,400 Speaker 1: was watching tennis or something at some point and I 991 00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,680 Speaker 1: was like, there's no reason, like I can't win a 992 00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,680 Speaker 1: Grand Slam, And I think I said that to myself 993 00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:41,040 Speaker 1: and I was like, wow, I actually said that and 994 00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:44,160 Speaker 1: I actually believe it, and like then I ended up 995 00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:46,120 Speaker 1: making the quarters and it was really cool, and I 996 00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,680 Speaker 1: was like wow, like I actually told myself that like 997 00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,920 Speaker 1: a month ago, and now looking back, I'm like again, 998 00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:55,520 Speaker 1: like that believing in yourself thing, you really have to 999 00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:59,560 Speaker 1: believe it to like your inner core, like your most 1000 00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:01,520 Speaker 1: true is self. I don't know how to explain it, 1001 00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:05,040 Speaker 1: but once you start, obviously winning doesn't become easier, but 1002 00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,880 Speaker 1: it just, like you said, that confidence in those moments, 1003 00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:12,400 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you're doing it, whereas before maybe 1004 00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,560 Speaker 1: you were you know, losing those points. So it's a 1005 00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:19,600 Speaker 1: very fine line. But so that's always to me a goal, 1006 00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:22,759 Speaker 1: especially now with tennis. I think it's cool to see 1007 00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:27,880 Speaker 1: all different sorts of all girls old, young, one, multiple 1008 00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:31,040 Speaker 1: first Grand slam winners, whatever, winning Grand slams. It's pretty cool. 1009 00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:33,160 Speaker 1: And then I think it helps us all we realize 1010 00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:37,160 Speaker 1: that it's attainable. It's not this thing that we are 1011 00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,600 Speaker 1: never going to get close to. So that's definitely always 1012 00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:43,200 Speaker 1: a goal. And then yeah, I don't we haven't really 1013 00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:46,879 Speaker 1: said any. I think probably top twenty is always a goal. 1014 00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:49,560 Speaker 1: Getting I want to get seated at the French so that's. 1015 00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:52,440 Speaker 5: Going to be a goal, you will road. 1016 00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,920 Speaker 1: Okay, that was like we said that like a couple. 1017 00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:57,240 Speaker 1: We said that like in Doha. 1018 00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:00,520 Speaker 5: I think, well, you got to be good, it will be. Yeah, 1019 00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:02,680 Speaker 5: I don't know. 1020 00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,200 Speaker 1: So definitely top twenty, although I know with the with 1021 00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:07,200 Speaker 1: the rankings, it's hard to move up right now, so 1022 00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:09,279 Speaker 1: that's definitely. I think a goal for me is top 1023 00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:13,600 Speaker 1: twenty and then even the Raceishnjan I'm like, I think 1024 00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:16,600 Speaker 1: I'm top ten. I don't. I don't know something like that. 1025 00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,359 Speaker 5: So can I ask you about you know, while we're 1026 00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:23,399 Speaker 5: on the subject, you know you're obviously by Rachel you 1027 00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:26,719 Speaker 5: your mom is Asian, Like, what, how's the last weight 1028 00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,799 Speaker 5: being for you with the you know, what's been going on. 1029 00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,319 Speaker 1: Honestly, I haven't really even been on social media at 1030 00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:36,120 Speaker 1: all the last week or so since i've been home, really, 1031 00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:39,320 Speaker 1: so I didn't even realize about what happened in Atlanta 1032 00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:43,880 Speaker 1: until my sister told me. And yeah, I mean we've 1033 00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,000 Speaker 1: we talked about it a little bit. I think it's 1034 00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:50,120 Speaker 1: just I don't know, it's just sad to see It's 1035 00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:53,840 Speaker 1: just I don't know, it's just such a weird place 1036 00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:55,759 Speaker 1: in the world that we're in right now, where it 1037 00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,239 Speaker 1: just seems like there's so much hate and just so 1038 00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:03,440 Speaker 1: much I don't know, hate towards everybody, doesn't even matter 1039 00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:07,640 Speaker 1: who you are. It's just it's like just hate everywhere. 1040 00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:10,799 Speaker 1: It seems like if you're just not I don't know, 1041 00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:12,480 Speaker 1: it's just you can you can say it. 1042 00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:15,480 Speaker 5: I mean, if you're not like literally white and perfect, 1043 00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:18,880 Speaker 5: like you are having shit in some way and like 1044 00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:22,439 Speaker 5: I don't. I mean, I mean, I'm gay, So there's 1045 00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:24,160 Speaker 5: there's some stuff that I have to deal with. But 1046 00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:25,719 Speaker 5: I look like me. I walk out the door and 1047 00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:26,640 Speaker 5: I still look like me. 1048 00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:29,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's just sad to see that there's so 1049 00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:33,080 Speaker 1: many hateful people in the world towards whatever you look like, 1050 00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:36,239 Speaker 1: what color you are, what who you be in a 1051 00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:38,560 Speaker 1: relationship with. It's just like, it just seems like everyone 1052 00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:42,239 Speaker 1: is just so against everybody, and it's just it's a 1053 00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:45,200 Speaker 1: tough thing to see happening in the world. And then 1054 00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:48,000 Speaker 1: but obviously, I think there's still a lot of good 1055 00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:50,319 Speaker 1: too that people don't really shine a light on. So 1056 00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,719 Speaker 1: I feel like we're always trying to look at the 1057 00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,799 Speaker 1: positives to that situation. And then obviously, yeah, my mom 1058 00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:59,720 Speaker 1: being a woman and being Korean and being the owner 1059 00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:02,279 Speaker 1: of a sports team is kind of crazy. So I 1060 00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:04,839 Speaker 1: think it's cool because we look at that and see, Okay, wow, 1061 00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,399 Speaker 1: this is really cool, this is attainable. Look at her, 1062 00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:14,960 Speaker 1: you know, and try not to get into all of 1063 00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:17,040 Speaker 1: like the negative because there are a lot of people 1064 00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:19,960 Speaker 1: who do support her and what she does, you know, men, 1065 00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:22,960 Speaker 1: men in power and stuff like that. That's still you know, 1066 00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:25,000 Speaker 1: I think she's smart and thinks she deserves it and 1067 00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:27,040 Speaker 1: all this stuff. So I think we try to keep 1068 00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:30,360 Speaker 1: a balance of looking at the good side and the 1069 00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:34,439 Speaker 1: positives of it and moving forward that way. But yeah, 1070 00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:36,480 Speaker 1: it's I mean, it's tough just to see what happened. 1071 00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:39,040 Speaker 1: It's just horrible. I mean, there's no really way what 1072 00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:41,560 Speaker 1: you know, no other words to really describe it. It's 1073 00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:43,960 Speaker 1: just makes it sick, you know. 1074 00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:47,279 Speaker 5: You know, it's super important, as you said, to have 1075 00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:50,200 Speaker 5: people like your mom and positions of pal because you 1076 00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:52,440 Speaker 5: have to see it to be it right. And so 1077 00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:55,399 Speaker 5: I think that's really important for young Asian kids and 1078 00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:58,360 Speaker 5: Gilds and Patinue to look up. Oh I can I 1079 00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:03,200 Speaker 5: can attain something like that more contort oh uh? 1080 00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:07,640 Speaker 1: Want a woman too? In the NFL, they were spotlight 1081 00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:09,480 Speaker 1: on and we've had a couple. I think we had 1082 00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:12,200 Speaker 1: a women's coach and a women's trainer, and we've been 1083 00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:17,399 Speaker 1: actually one of the more I think diverse organizations right now, 1084 00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:20,480 Speaker 1: especially with females taking roles in the men's sports. And 1085 00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:23,560 Speaker 1: after seeing I'm sure you saw not off topic, but 1086 00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:25,319 Speaker 1: the NCAA thing, oh. 1087 00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:27,640 Speaker 5: I did, I retweeted it to its graceful. 1088 00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,120 Speaker 1: I just literally just saw that right before I went 1089 00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:33,400 Speaker 1: on here. I was just like what that just bothers 1090 00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:35,520 Speaker 1: me so much. And you read these comments that these 1091 00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:37,400 Speaker 1: people were like, oh, they don't make any money, and 1092 00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,399 Speaker 1: I'm like, that has nothing to do with it. It's 1093 00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:42,879 Speaker 1: the fact that that's even happening. And then I think 1094 00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:47,480 Speaker 1: the fact that the NCAA thought that that was okay, 1095 00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:50,520 Speaker 1: to where they didn't even think someone was going to 1096 00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:52,520 Speaker 1: say anything about it. Do you know what I mean? Like, 1097 00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:55,239 Speaker 1: I don't know how delusional you have to be to 1098 00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:58,840 Speaker 1: not think that one of the players is of course 1099 00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,759 Speaker 1: going to post or say something or speak out about it. 1100 00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:05,160 Speaker 5: I mean that that gym. That gym looked worse than 1101 00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:09,440 Speaker 5: any of anyone's quarantine room straight off. 1102 00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:10,279 Speaker 2: It was. 1103 00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,279 Speaker 5: So you, what do you want to do going forward 1104 00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:18,520 Speaker 5: after you're done playing? Because I have a feeling that 1105 00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:21,840 Speaker 5: to you or your sister, you know, with your mom's guidance, 1106 00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:23,640 Speaker 5: you're going to make a big difference in the world 1107 00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:24,200 Speaker 5: of sports. 1108 00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:25,280 Speaker 1: What do you want to do? 1109 00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:28,720 Speaker 5: I have a restaurant, you have to you know, you're ready, 1110 00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:30,359 Speaker 5: twenty four sunscrewing. 1111 00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:33,520 Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm going to definitely stay and sports 1112 00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:35,879 Speaker 1: is definitely my my passion and what I love. So 1113 00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:39,399 Speaker 1: it's actually kind of funny we're watching If you watched 1114 00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:43,720 Speaker 1: The Last Chance you yeah, yeah, Like me and my fiance, 1115 00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:48,480 Speaker 1: we're both he loves sports, grew up playing sports, you know, 1116 00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,480 Speaker 1: loves it. She's very competitive and it's tryed to He's 1117 00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:53,600 Speaker 1: had trouble almost in a way of letting go of 1118 00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:59,400 Speaker 1: that competitiveness moving into after, you know, his baseball career whatever, 1119 00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:03,000 Speaker 1: playing college. So I think watching that shows like that, 1120 00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:10,240 Speaker 1: yes his So I think that's just a recent example 1121 00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:12,560 Speaker 1: because we're watching it now. But I think definitely helping 1122 00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:16,960 Speaker 1: definitely helping kids. I think achieved through sports is definitely 1123 00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:19,480 Speaker 1: something that I would love to do because I just 1124 00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:22,040 Speaker 1: think it, like you said, it teaches you so much 1125 00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:24,000 Speaker 1: and you have to go through so much and some 1126 00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:26,600 Speaker 1: people don't realize it or they don't realize it till after. 1127 00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:29,040 Speaker 1: But I just think it's I think it's amazing for 1128 00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:31,280 Speaker 1: what it does, and that's it's good for kids who 1129 00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:34,080 Speaker 1: you know aren't in the best situation and it can 1130 00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:36,520 Speaker 1: help them get out of a bad situation. It can 1131 00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:40,720 Speaker 1: help you in so many ways. So I definitely love 1132 00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:44,360 Speaker 1: love that aspect of it. So that's something, you know, 1133 00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:46,160 Speaker 1: along the lines of that that I would love to do. 1134 00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:49,880 Speaker 1: And then obviously it depends, you know, my family were 1135 00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:52,760 Speaker 1: how far down the road we're still involved in all 1136 00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:55,360 Speaker 1: this stuff. But yeah, definitely being a woman in sports 1137 00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:59,080 Speaker 1: would be really really cool, you know, not just tennis, 1138 00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:02,360 Speaker 1: but thinking down the line, I have other sports. 1139 00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:08,120 Speaker 5: So yeah, well, Jess, I just want to say I'm 1140 00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:16,160 Speaker 5: so you're one of the most humble, easy kinds, like 1141 00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:21,720 Speaker 5: just real regular, great people on tour that has you know, 1142 00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:24,120 Speaker 5: I've seen the grind. I know what you and David 1143 00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:27,760 Speaker 5: went through to get you back to just being healthy 1144 00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:30,240 Speaker 5: and playing on tour and then to be where you 1145 00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:32,840 Speaker 5: are now today. And this is just to start. I mean, 1146 00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:36,600 Speaker 5: I feel like you've just literally started your career and 1147 00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:40,920 Speaker 5: understand exactly what you're capable of doing and also what 1148 00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:43,520 Speaker 5: you know exactly what mentally you need to tell yourself 1149 00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:45,600 Speaker 5: on the court. So I just feel like this is 1150 00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:48,520 Speaker 5: the start, you know. I pray that you stay healthy 1151 00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:51,720 Speaker 5: and everything keeps going well because for our listeners that 1152 00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:53,240 Speaker 5: don't really know you that well, I hope they get 1153 00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:54,560 Speaker 5: to know you a lot more because you're going to 1154 00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:56,760 Speaker 5: be around for a long time enough. I don't see 1155 00:58:56,800 --> 00:59:01,320 Speaker 5: top twenty, I see top ten, So I think that's 1156 00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:03,240 Speaker 5: really attainable for you at the end of the year, 1157 00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:05,000 Speaker 5: and I know that you'll keep putting the work in 1158 00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:07,240 Speaker 5: and I just want everybody out there to know how 1159 00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:11,400 Speaker 5: genuinely nice you are, and it's been a great joy 1160 00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:12,760 Speaker 5: for me to watch you as well as you have 1161 00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:15,600 Speaker 5: over the last like six months thanks to joining me 1162 00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:18,200 Speaker 5: on here, and I hope you thank you following me. 1163 00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:22,400 Speaker 1: That means a lot coming from you, you know, obviously 1164 00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:25,760 Speaker 1: very successful too, and you've been through it. So yeah, thanks. 1165 00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:27,680 Speaker 1: I'm just going to try and keep going, but this 1166 00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:28,480 Speaker 1: is fine. 1167 00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:31,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, thanks Jess. I'll see you on the road. 1168 00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:36,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's it for this episode of the Racket 1169 00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:40,360 Speaker 2: Magazine podcast. Thanks for listening. Our host is Renee Stubbs. 1170 00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:43,640 Speaker 2: Our co host and producer is me Keaitlyn Thompson. Music 1171 00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:47,440 Speaker 2: by international renowned DJ Stretch Armstrong. Thanks to Tim Or 1172 00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:49,840 Speaker 2: Jerry and then the team at ACAST. 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