WEBVTT - Hell and Gone Murder Line: Heidi Planck [From the Archives]

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<v Speaker 1>School of Humans. Helen Got Murder Line actively investigates cold

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<v Speaker 2>On Sunday, October seventeenth, twenty twenty one, a thirty nine

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<v Speaker 2>year old mother of one named Heidi Plank was starting

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<v Speaker 2>her day. Heidi was leaving her rented townhouse on the

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<v Speaker 2>west side of Los Angeles near Culver City. She was

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<v Speaker 2>on her way to watch her eleven year old son

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<v Speaker 2>Bond play football. Heidi, by the way, was a huge

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<v Speaker 2>James Bond fan, so that's how she chose her son's

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<v Speaker 2>and her dog's names based on the double O seven theme.

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<v Speaker 2>So her son was Bond and her labradoodle was seven,

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<v Speaker 2>like double O seven. Surveillance camera footage from outside Heidie's

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<v Speaker 2>house showed her walking out the door. She was dressed

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<v Speaker 2>in jeans and a white T shirt with a smiley

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<v Speaker 2>face on it. She had a sweater tied around her

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<v Speaker 2>waist and it was described in the media as gray,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was actually more like a grayish color, kind

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<v Speaker 2>of a gray beige. Heidie was petite. She had long

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<v Speaker 2>blonde hair. She was five foot three and was carrying

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<v Speaker 2>a purse with her. She was holding a cup of

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<v Speaker 2>coffee in one hand, and seven, her dog, was on

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<v Speaker 2>his leash walking behind her. She put Seven in the

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<v Speaker 2>car and climbed behind the wheel of the silver range

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<v Speaker 2>Rover with a license plate U eight four zero XO,

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<v Speaker 2>and drove away. Heidi was divorced from Bond's father, Her

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<v Speaker 2>ex husband, a sixty three year old hairstylist named Jim Wayne.

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<v Speaker 2>Jim had a salon in Beverly Hills. Jim and Heidi

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<v Speaker 2>were married in two thousand and eight, but they divorced

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<v Speaker 2>four years later, and at the time Heidi went missing,

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<v Speaker 2>they shared custody of Bond. Jim told police that the

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<v Speaker 2>last time he saw Heidi was when she showed up

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<v Speaker 2>to her son's football game that afternoon. The game, by

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<v Speaker 2>the way, was in Downy, which was around seventeen miles

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<v Speaker 2>from Heidie's home, so it would have taken her around

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<v Speaker 2>half an hour to get there from the townhouse. Several

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<v Speaker 2>witnesses saw Heidi at that game and interacted with her.

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<v Speaker 2>Jim said that she seemed a little bit on edge

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<v Speaker 2>when she left the game at halftime, which was around

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<v Speaker 2>four thirty PM, but there was nothing that seemed extremely

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<v Speaker 2>out of the ordinary until they were looking at these

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<v Speaker 2>events in hindsight. It was Jim's weekend with Bond, so

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<v Speaker 2>Jim and Bond went home after the game. Heidi and

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<v Speaker 2>Jim got along well, even though there had been some

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<v Speaker 2>rocky moments in their divorce, if they apparently had had

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<v Speaker 2>a good co parenting relationship for several years. When Heidi

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<v Speaker 2>left the game, she told her son that she would

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<v Speaker 2>call him later, but even though Heidi always talked to

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<v Speaker 2>her son every single day, she never called him. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>Bond never talked to his mother again because that day

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<v Speaker 2>Heidi Plank vanished, and after she disappeared, it did not

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<v Speaker 2>take long for rumors to start flying about her ex

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<v Speaker 2>husband Jim, about her boss, Jason Sugarman, about her boss's

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<v Speaker 2>links to big money and powerful people in Los Angeles.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, to me, when I first saw Heidi on

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<v Speaker 2>the news and I read about this case, it seemed

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<v Speaker 2>like a real life version of the movie Chinatown. It's

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<v Speaker 2>now been over two years since Heidi Plank disappeared. There's

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<v Speaker 2>been no sign of Heidi and no sign of her body.

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<v Speaker 2>All we have are some rumors about an apartment building

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<v Speaker 2>in downtown Los Angeles and a devastated little boy without

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<v Speaker 2>a mother. I'm Catherine Townsend. If you have a case

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<v Speaker 2>you'd like me and my team to look into, you

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<v Speaker 2>can reach out to us at our Helen Gone Murder

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<v Speaker 2>Line at six seven eight seven four four six one

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<v Speaker 2>four five. That's six seven eight seven four four six

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<v Speaker 2>one four five. This is Helen Gone Murder Line. Heidi

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<v Speaker 2>Plank was originally from New York State. She was born

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<v Speaker 2>and raised in Buffalo. In two thousand and one, she

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<v Speaker 2>moved to California and went to California State University. Before

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<v Speaker 2>we dive into Heidi's work life, I want to follow

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<v Speaker 2>the natural trajectory of the police investigation and take a

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<v Speaker 2>look at her relationship with her ex husband, Jim, because,

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<v Speaker 2>as we all know, in any investigation, and especially if

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<v Speaker 2>there is a contentious divorce, police are always looking at xes.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually did an episode of another podcast called blood Money,

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<v Speaker 2>it's about white collar criminals and con artists who kill

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<v Speaker 2>about this case back in twenty twenty two, so I

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<v Speaker 2>want to take a look at what has changed since then.

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<v Speaker 2>So of course police want to know about Heidie's relationship

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<v Speaker 2>with her ex husband. Jim and Heidi seem to have

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<v Speaker 2>a friendly relationship, but according to court records, they had

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<v Speaker 2>had some issues over the years. Court filing show they

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<v Speaker 2>had had a battle for custody in the past, and

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<v Speaker 2>at one point Jim had full custody of their son

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<v Speaker 2>and Jim had accused Heidi of drug abuse. Jam also

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<v Speaker 2>made some comments to the media after Heidi went missing

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<v Speaker 2>about how they had what he called different parenting styles.

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<v Speaker 2>He said something about how Heidi was more permissive than

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<v Speaker 2>he was, which did lead a lot of people to

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<v Speaker 2>wonder what was going on at home to make him

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<v Speaker 2>say that. But in addition to Jim's movements all week

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<v Speaker 2>and long being confirmed by police, everyone who was close

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<v Speaker 2>to Heidi said that her relationship with Jim had been

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<v Speaker 2>good for some time. The last text between Jim and

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<v Speaker 2>Heidi were not contentious. They were warm. Heidi was thanking

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<v Speaker 2>Jim for all that he did for their son. Jim

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<v Speaker 2>told police that he and his son last heard from

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<v Speaker 2>Heidi at around seven pm that night, October seventeenth. Heidi

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<v Speaker 2>had responded to one of her son's texts about the

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<v Speaker 2>football game. Heidi's son sent another text a little while later,

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<v Speaker 2>talking about a play he made, but this time Heidi

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<v Speaker 2>didn't respond. In fact, that was the last time that

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<v Speaker 2>Heidie's son ever heard from her. Jim and his son

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<v Speaker 2>were worried for the rest of the weekend, but Heidi

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<v Speaker 2>was obviously an adult. She was single and dating and

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<v Speaker 2>had her own life. Jim told reporters, though, that Heidi

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<v Speaker 2>never failed to respond to her son. No matter what

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<v Speaker 2>was going on in her personal life or how busy

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<v Speaker 2>she was, she always made time for him. Actually looking

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<v Speaker 2>at the court records that document the text messages that

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<v Speaker 2>Heidie's son sent to her is heartbreaking. On October eighteenth,

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<v Speaker 2>at seven thirty one pm, Heidie's son wrote in a

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<v Speaker 2>text message, can you please call me back? I called

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<v Speaker 2>you two days in a row. And you haven't picked up.

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<v Speaker 2>By Monday morning, Jim and his son still had not

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<v Speaker 2>heard from Heidi. That afternoon, Heidie's son texted again, please

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<v Speaker 2>call or just text me because I want to make

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<v Speaker 2>sure you're okay and I'm worried about you. Then he

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<v Speaker 2>sent another text that read, please call mom. I miss

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<v Speaker 2>you and I'm worried about you. The next day, October twentieth,

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<v Speaker 2>was the day when Heidi was supposed to pick her

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<v Speaker 2>son up at school, but she never showed up. Jim

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<v Speaker 2>reported Heidi missing. At some point, he went into Heidie's

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<v Speaker 2>townhouse with a friend of hers. They found Heidi's work

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<v Speaker 2>laptop there and her work phone. Jim took the laptop

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<v Speaker 2>and the phone. Now he did turn over the laptop

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<v Speaker 2>and phone to law enforcement, but apparently it took a

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<v Speaker 2>few days. And at the time a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>on online comment boards are of course asking if he's

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<v Speaker 2>so worried about her, why would he wait. But Heidi

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<v Speaker 2>was an adult, so she probably was not an immediate

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<v Speaker 2>priority for the police. And of course, in every missing

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<v Speaker 2>person's investigation, every single decision anyone makes is under a microscope.

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<v Speaker 2>But in my opinion and according to all evidence, that

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<v Speaker 2>has come out. Jim Wayne was totally believable, and Jim,

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<v Speaker 2>to his credit, immediately went to the police. As we've said,

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<v Speaker 2>Heidi was an adult, so if Jim had any reason

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<v Speaker 2>to want to wait so the investigation would not start immediately,

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<v Speaker 2>he probably could have, but that's not what he did.

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<v Speaker 2>He went to her house. He told friends he was

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<v Speaker 2>calling people. He immediately called the police. He insisted that

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<v Speaker 2>they investigate, and he commented to the media. Police talked

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<v Speaker 2>to Heidie's family. Her mom told them the same thing

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<v Speaker 2>Jim had. Heidi had been behaving normally. She was planning

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<v Speaker 2>a vacation to New York to visit her mom for Thanksgiving,

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<v Speaker 2>so she was happy and she was making future plans.

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<v Speaker 2>Police figured out no one had heard from Heidi at

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<v Speaker 2>all since October seventeenth, so they started asking logically about

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<v Speaker 2>Heidie's love life. Now, at that time, Heidi had been

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<v Speaker 2>seeing someone who lived in northern California. He was a

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<v Speaker 2>Silicon Valley executive who worked for the Chan Zuckerberg Initiative,

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<v Speaker 2>the philanthropic arm of Facebook, which is now Meta. Police

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<v Speaker 2>tracked down Heidie's boyfriend, who, by the way, was completely

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<v Speaker 2>cooper He was verifiably somewhere else on the day when

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<v Speaker 2>Heidi went missing, and he was cleared very quickly by

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<v Speaker 2>law enforcement. But this man did tell the police something interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>He said that Heidi had sent him a text asking

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<v Speaker 2>him to come down to LA because she said she

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<v Speaker 2>was afraid of something. But this guy was unable to

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<v Speaker 2>make the trip, so actually he told police. At first

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<v Speaker 2>after Heidie disappeared, he thought that maybe she was annoyed

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<v Speaker 2>with him for not coming to LA, so maybe she

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<v Speaker 2>was ghosting him. So now the police kind of hit

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<v Speaker 2>a dead end because if this wasn't an X and

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't a current relationship, who else would have a

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<v Speaker 2>motive to want to hurt Heidi. Meanwhile, Jim Wayne, Heidie's

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<v Speaker 2>ex husband, was playing detective and tracking down his own leads.

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<v Speaker 2>He got the ven number for Heidie's Range Rover, but

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<v Speaker 2>according to court documents, her location services wasn't on. He

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<v Speaker 2>tried to find my phone feature on iPhone and Apple Watch,

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<v Speaker 2>but those had also been turned off. At this point,

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<v Speaker 2>Jim told the media he was starting to suspect this

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<v Speaker 2>could be something that was planned. He believed this was

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<v Speaker 2>not a random disappearance, and he mentioned the legal troubles

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<v Speaker 2>that Heidie's boss, Jason Sugarman, had been having Then there

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<v Speaker 2>was another big break in the case. Jim checked the

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<v Speaker 2>text messages on Heidie's phone, the one he had access to,

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<v Speaker 2>and he found messages from a couple who lived in

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<v Speaker 2>a luxury building in downtown LA and this couple said

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<v Speaker 2>that they had Heidie's dog. The people who found seven

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<v Speaker 2>lived in the Hope and Flower Building in downtown Los Angeles,

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<v Speaker 2>located at twelve oh one South Hope Street. We'll get

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<v Speaker 2>into the history of the building in a little bit,

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<v Speaker 2>but basically, it's one of these luxury downtown high rises

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<v Speaker 2>that have sprung up over the last couple decades in

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<v Speaker 2>Los Angeles. It bills itself as a luxury high rise

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<v Speaker 2>with rooftop views and a lot of amenities, but a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of residents have complained over the years that the

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<v Speaker 2>developers have neglected this building, that there's trash in the hallways,

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<v Speaker 2>dog poop everywhere, and management that is unresponsive. And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not talking about just a couple of complaints. If you

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<v Speaker 2>look at yelperviews, there are hundreds of complaints on there

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<v Speaker 2>from current and former tenants. So there's something strange going

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<v Speaker 2>on in that building. In my opinion. But getting back

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<v Speaker 2>to Heidi, this couple said that around seven pm on

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<v Speaker 2>the evening of October seventeenth. Now remember this was just

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<v Speaker 2>a few hours after the game, and right after Bond

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<v Speaker 2>got that last text from Heidie's phone, they said they

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<v Speaker 2>found the dog seven roaming the hallways of that building.

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<v Speaker 2>Some reports said that the dog was on the twenty

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<v Speaker 2>ninth floor, others said the twenty eighth, but whichever it was,

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<v Speaker 2>Heidi was not with seven. Jim went to pick up

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<v Speaker 2>seven and brought him home. And since I know that

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<v Speaker 2>people will ask, and I'm also an animal over, I

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<v Speaker 2>will tell you all right now. The dog is absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>fine and apparently doing well. So what was Heidi doing

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<v Speaker 2>at the Hope Flower Building? Jim and her friends said

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<v Speaker 2>they weren't aware of anyone she knew in that building

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<v Speaker 2>or any connection she had there, And even stranger than that,

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<v Speaker 2>why would she leave her dog who went everywhere with

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<v Speaker 2>her roaming the hallways. According to news reports, the building

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<v Speaker 2>management OMNI property were kind of uncooperative at first, but

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<v Speaker 2>police got a search warrant and after that, Heidie's friends

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<v Speaker 2>and family said the building did give them the access

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<v Speaker 2>they needed and became more helpful. Meanwhile, some of them

0:14:14.721 --> 0:14:17.280
<v Speaker 2>were wondering if the thing that Heidie had been afraid

0:14:17.321 --> 0:14:19.961
<v Speaker 2>of could have been connected to her job and her boss,

0:14:20.121 --> 0:14:24.161
<v Speaker 2>forty eight year old Jason Sugarman. According to Heidie's LinkedIn page,

0:14:24.241 --> 0:14:26.881
<v Speaker 2>she worked for Coldwell Banker between two thousand and five

0:14:26.881 --> 0:14:30.801
<v Speaker 2>and twenty fifteen, then Douglas Element, so she was working

0:14:30.841 --> 0:14:33.041
<v Speaker 2>in real estate before she moved on to her job

0:14:33.121 --> 0:14:36.881
<v Speaker 2>at a company called Camden Capital Partners. This was Jason

0:14:36.881 --> 0:14:40.441
<v Speaker 2>Sugarman's company, and it's a company that is described as

0:14:40.561 --> 0:14:44.161
<v Speaker 2>quote an investment advisory firm that handles wealth mannment and

0:14:44.241 --> 0:14:49.401
<v Speaker 2>legacy planning for prominent high net worth individuals. This could

0:14:49.401 --> 0:14:52.001
<v Speaker 2>be completely legitimate. There are lots of firms like this,

0:14:52.521 --> 0:14:57.241
<v Speaker 2>but it's also very vague, and Jason Sugarman would soon

0:14:57.321 --> 0:15:01.121
<v Speaker 2>show up in more headlines. Jason Sugarman is connected to

0:15:01.161 --> 0:15:03.561
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people in power. His father in law

0:15:03.601 --> 0:15:07.001
<v Speaker 2>is Peter Gruber, the owner of the Dodgers, and Jason

0:15:07.241 --> 0:15:11.281
<v Speaker 2>was facing some serious legal issues, including federal fraud charges.

0:15:11.921 --> 0:15:15.041
<v Speaker 2>He was under investigation by the Securities and Exchange Commission.

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<v Speaker 2>According to the indictment, starting in twenty thirteen, Jason and

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<v Speaker 2>his business partner, Jason Galanis, stole forty three million dollars

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<v Speaker 2>from pension funds of a Native American tribe of the

0:15:26.721 --> 0:15:30.001
<v Speaker 2>Sioux Nation. These guys, who were known in the press

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<v Speaker 2>as the Two Jasons, were apparently trying to acquire this

0:15:33.281 --> 0:15:37.521
<v Speaker 2>global financial conglomerate made up of insurers in Europe and Bermuda,

0:15:37.601 --> 0:15:40.641
<v Speaker 2>as well as some investment advisors based in the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>In twenty fourteen, Jason go Llanas and his father, John

0:15:45.201 --> 0:15:49.601
<v Speaker 2>Galanis obtained tribal bonds. They convinced the tribe they would

0:15:49.641 --> 0:15:52.761
<v Speaker 2>sell them and use the proceeds to invest in the tribe.

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<v Speaker 2>But instead, according to the authorities, they didn't. They just

0:15:56.761 --> 0:16:00.321
<v Speaker 2>basically straight up stole the money. And what's worse, this

0:16:00.481 --> 0:16:02.281
<v Speaker 2>was not some kind of Bernie made off type of

0:16:02.321 --> 0:16:05.361
<v Speaker 2>scenario that started out as a legitimate investment. According to

0:16:05.361 --> 0:16:08.641
<v Speaker 2>the sec these guys knew they were planning to steal

0:16:08.881 --> 0:16:12.001
<v Speaker 2>right from the beginning. So it's kind of a long

0:16:12.081 --> 0:16:15.321
<v Speaker 2>and complicated story with this money. But to sum it up,

0:16:15.641 --> 0:16:20.041
<v Speaker 2>Jason Galanas and Jason Sugarman were accused of stealing millions

0:16:20.081 --> 0:16:23.601
<v Speaker 2>of dollars from the Native American tribal corporation and from

0:16:23.601 --> 0:16:27.961
<v Speaker 2>these companies they acquired. In January of twenty seventeen, Jason

0:16:28.001 --> 0:16:31.401
<v Speaker 2>galanis pled guilty to criminal charges in connections with this fraud.

0:16:31.841 --> 0:16:34.001
<v Speaker 2>He was sentenced to one hundred and seventy three months

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<v Speaker 2>in jail. The indictment read quote Sugarman benefited immensely from

0:16:38.721 --> 0:16:41.161
<v Speaker 2>the scheme. Indeed, to a large extent, he was the

0:16:41.161 --> 0:16:44.161
<v Speaker 2>biggest winner from the fraud, ending up with voting control

0:16:44.241 --> 0:16:47.601
<v Speaker 2>over corporate assets that were acquired with bond proceeds and

0:16:47.921 --> 0:16:51.241
<v Speaker 2>from which he ultimately siphoned almost nine million dollars in

0:16:51.321 --> 0:16:55.201
<v Speaker 2>cash for his direct and personal benefit. Quote. So we

0:16:55.281 --> 0:16:58.681
<v Speaker 2>know Jason Sugarman was accused of financial fraud. We also

0:16:58.761 --> 0:17:02.681
<v Speaker 2>know that he has powerful friends, including Hunter Biden. He

0:17:02.801 --> 0:17:07.001
<v Speaker 2>even has ties to Hunter Biden's now notorious Laptop of shame,

0:17:07.681 --> 0:17:10.640
<v Speaker 2>because emails from that laptop, in addition to photos of

0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:14.801
<v Speaker 2>Hunter smoking crack and sex workers, reportedly show that Jason

0:17:14.880 --> 0:17:17.961
<v Speaker 2>was a director and shareholder of a company called Burnham

0:17:17.961 --> 0:17:22.241
<v Speaker 2>Financial Group. If this name sounds familiar, that's because it's

0:17:22.281 --> 0:17:25.001
<v Speaker 2>the same group that allegedly pitched a major deal to

0:17:25.120 --> 0:17:30.001
<v Speaker 2>Hunter's Chinese business partners back in twenty fifteen, and one

0:17:30.001 --> 0:17:33.241
<v Speaker 2>of Jason Sugarman's partners who was also mentioned in that

0:17:33.360 --> 0:17:37.521
<v Speaker 2>SEC indictment is Devon Archer, the longtime friend and business

0:17:37.521 --> 0:17:40.640
<v Speaker 2>partner of Hunter Biden. Devon Archer, by the way, was

0:17:40.681 --> 0:17:43.201
<v Speaker 2>convicted for his involvement in that same tribal scam in

0:17:43.201 --> 0:17:47.081
<v Speaker 2>two thousand eighteen. Hunter Biden's lawyer, by the way, has

0:17:47.120 --> 0:17:50.241
<v Speaker 2>totally denied all this. He said Hunter's client had nothing

0:17:50.281 --> 0:17:52.761
<v Speaker 2>to do with the Native American bond scheme and that

0:17:52.801 --> 0:17:56.801
<v Speaker 2>the timing was just a coincidence. According to the Sun newspaper,

0:17:57.401 --> 0:18:00.160
<v Speaker 2>the lawyer said Hunter's name had been used without his

0:18:00.201 --> 0:18:03.400
<v Speaker 2>permission and that he had taken steps to ensure that

0:18:03.481 --> 0:18:07.080
<v Speaker 2>his business interests were not associated with the defendants in

0:18:07.121 --> 0:18:09.840
<v Speaker 2>the tribal bond case. So what does all this have

0:18:09.881 --> 0:18:12.761
<v Speaker 2>to do with Heidi Plank, a woman who, by the way,

0:18:12.921 --> 0:18:15.681
<v Speaker 2>had no background in finance when she started working for

0:18:15.761 --> 0:18:19.961
<v Speaker 2>Jason Sugarman's company. She was the bookkeeper for that company.

0:18:20.521 --> 0:18:23.801
<v Speaker 2>And then there's what happened next. Jim Wayne said that

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<v Speaker 2>on October twenty first, right after Heidi went missing, he

0:18:27.801 --> 0:18:30.481
<v Speaker 2>got a phone call from someone at the SEC asking

0:18:30.561 --> 0:18:35.721
<v Speaker 2>questions about Jason Sugarman. And then it got even more bizarre.

0:18:35.801 --> 0:18:39.921
<v Speaker 2>Because CBS Los Angeles was following the story of Heidi Plank,

0:18:40.481 --> 0:18:43.481
<v Speaker 2>they were somehow able to acquire some surveillance video that

0:18:43.481 --> 0:18:47.400
<v Speaker 2>had been taken outside Heidie's house. There's video of Jason

0:18:47.481 --> 0:18:51.281
<v Speaker 2>Sugarmant after Hiding went missing, ringing her doorbell and then

0:18:51.401 --> 0:18:55.041
<v Speaker 2>leaving muffins on the doorstep. The news station says this

0:18:55.201 --> 0:18:57.840
<v Speaker 2>video is from a day or two after Hiding went missing.

0:18:57.881 --> 0:19:00.561
<v Speaker 2>They weren't more specific than that, But if you look

0:19:00.601 --> 0:19:04.080
<v Speaker 2>at this footage, it's odd because Jason walks up to

0:19:04.121 --> 0:19:07.561
<v Speaker 2>the door, rings the bell just once and then kind

0:19:07.561 --> 0:19:10.080
<v Speaker 2>of seems to PLoP the muffins down, and then he's

0:19:10.161 --> 0:19:12.801
<v Speaker 2>out of there. He doesn't hesitate, he doesn't try to

0:19:12.840 --> 0:19:17.041
<v Speaker 2>look inside. So now I'm wondering was he really expressing

0:19:17.121 --> 0:19:19.721
<v Speaker 2>concern or was he trying to make it look like

0:19:19.801 --> 0:19:22.801
<v Speaker 2>he was expressing concern and looking for Heidi. Was he

0:19:22.881 --> 0:19:25.481
<v Speaker 2>going through the motions so that he would appear on camera,

0:19:26.201 --> 0:19:31.241
<v Speaker 2>or was Heidi's disappearance totally unconnected to him? But perhaps

0:19:31.361 --> 0:19:33.681
<v Speaker 2>he wanted to see if someone was there who would

0:19:33.681 --> 0:19:36.441
<v Speaker 2>give him that work laptop, which remember was inside her house.

0:19:37.321 --> 0:19:39.600
<v Speaker 2>What did the SEC want to talk to Heidi about.

0:19:40.201 --> 0:19:43.281
<v Speaker 2>Heidi obviously is not here, so it's only speculation, but

0:19:43.840 --> 0:19:46.801
<v Speaker 2>she reportedly told friends and family that the company had

0:19:46.840 --> 0:19:50.321
<v Speaker 2>some tax filings that were due. She had complained that

0:19:50.561 --> 0:19:54.360
<v Speaker 2>her boss, presumably meaning Jason Sugarman, had her name on

0:19:54.441 --> 0:19:57.721
<v Speaker 2>so much of their corporate paperwork. Now, if this is true,

0:19:57.761 --> 0:20:01.761
<v Speaker 2>it's a major flag for fraud investigators. In fact, this

0:20:01.881 --> 0:20:04.281
<v Speaker 2>case seems to have a lot of red flags for

0:20:04.361 --> 0:20:07.761
<v Speaker 2>potential fraud investigators, including the fact that Heidi was the

0:20:07.801 --> 0:20:10.921
<v Speaker 2>person being asked to sign off on these complex transactions.

0:20:12.041 --> 0:20:15.761
<v Speaker 2>Jim Wayne told the media that after Hiding went missing,

0:20:15.961 --> 0:20:19.161
<v Speaker 2>he called her office. He said that Jason didn't seem

0:20:19.201 --> 0:20:21.761
<v Speaker 2>like he was worried about Heidi or what happened to

0:20:21.801 --> 0:20:25.481
<v Speaker 2>her at all, but he did say Jason Sugarman was

0:20:25.721 --> 0:20:28.840
<v Speaker 2>very worried about that work laptop. Remember this was the

0:20:28.881 --> 0:20:32.481
<v Speaker 2>work laptop that had been inside Heidie's house. Jim had

0:20:32.521 --> 0:20:34.521
<v Speaker 2>taken it out of there and later handed it over

0:20:34.601 --> 0:20:39.281
<v Speaker 2>to police. Jim Wayne told the Daily Mail quote, while

0:20:39.281 --> 0:20:41.041
<v Speaker 2>I was on the phone with his assistant, I heard

0:20:41.080 --> 0:20:43.561
<v Speaker 2>Sugarman in the background barking at his assistant to tell

0:20:43.601 --> 0:20:46.681
<v Speaker 2>me make sure he knows I want my laptop. There

0:20:46.721 --> 0:20:49.241
<v Speaker 2>was no concern at all from my ex wife's employer.

0:20:49.601 --> 0:20:52.641
<v Speaker 2>It's a multimillion dollar company. They didn't offer to hire

0:20:52.641 --> 0:20:55.880
<v Speaker 2>a private investigator or put up a reward. The only

0:20:56.001 --> 0:21:03.160
<v Speaker 2>thing they really seemed concerned about was Heidie's computer end quote. Again,

0:21:03.601 --> 0:21:08.080
<v Speaker 2>Heidi's job was financial controller for Camden Capital Partners, which

0:21:08.121 --> 0:21:10.641
<v Speaker 2>reportedly gave her a salary of one hundred and forty

0:21:10.641 --> 0:21:15.961
<v Speaker 2>five thousand dollars a year and bonuses, and Jim made

0:21:16.001 --> 0:21:19.561
<v Speaker 2>a comment he said she always had spare cash lying around.

0:21:21.281 --> 0:21:24.401
<v Speaker 2>Jim Wayne said that someone at Jason Sugarman's office had

0:21:24.401 --> 0:21:29.121
<v Speaker 2>told him they believed that Heidi was quote siphoning off

0:21:29.161 --> 0:21:34.321
<v Speaker 2>money from the company end quote. So, according to Jim Wayne,

0:21:34.641 --> 0:21:38.321
<v Speaker 2>someone at Jason Sugarman's office was allegedly implying that Heidi

0:21:38.481 --> 0:21:41.521
<v Speaker 2>might have embezzled funds. But when Jim talked to The

0:21:41.561 --> 0:21:45.360
<v Speaker 2>Daily Mail, he said he did not believe Heidi was

0:21:45.401 --> 0:21:46.880
<v Speaker 2>to blame at all, and he said if there was

0:21:46.921 --> 0:21:50.321
<v Speaker 2>any wrongdoing, it was from someone at that office, not her.

0:21:51.041 --> 0:21:54.281
<v Speaker 2>Jim said, quote Heidi knows all of Jason's and the

0:21:54.281 --> 0:21:57.321
<v Speaker 2>company's secrets. She knows where the bones are buried. This

0:21:57.361 --> 0:22:00.241
<v Speaker 2>whole thing just stinks. Something just isn't right, and I

0:22:00.241 --> 0:22:04.521
<v Speaker 2>can't put my finger on it. End quote. After Hiding

0:22:04.561 --> 0:22:08.721
<v Speaker 2>went missing, Jim filed a petition for temporary emergency custody

0:22:08.761 --> 0:22:12.921
<v Speaker 2>of their son, and these court papers, in my mind,

0:22:13.041 --> 0:22:16.121
<v Speaker 2>provide further evidence that there was no motive for Jim

0:22:16.161 --> 0:22:19.441
<v Speaker 2>to do anything to Heidie, because, according to the court documents,

0:22:19.921 --> 0:22:23.481
<v Speaker 2>Jim and Heidi shared custody of their son, and Jim

0:22:23.561 --> 0:22:26.761
<v Speaker 2>did not pay Heidi any alimony or child support. He

0:22:26.801 --> 0:22:29.281
<v Speaker 2>had paid her a lump sum in twenty twelve and

0:22:29.401 --> 0:22:32.481
<v Speaker 2>nothing since then. So the bottom line is Jim Wayne

0:22:32.521 --> 0:22:35.360
<v Speaker 2>had no obvious financial motive to do anything to Heidi.

0:22:35.921 --> 0:22:38.201
<v Speaker 2>In fact, if he did do something to her, it

0:22:38.241 --> 0:22:40.321
<v Speaker 2>would ensure that he would never get the support that

0:22:40.361 --> 0:22:44.001
<v Speaker 2>he was asking for. Some people had suggested that Heidi

0:22:44.080 --> 0:22:46.321
<v Speaker 2>might have disappeared voluntarily, and we do have to look

0:22:46.321 --> 0:22:50.360
<v Speaker 2>at that possibility. According to court documents. In the past,

0:22:50.561 --> 0:22:54.080
<v Speaker 2>Jim had alleged Heidi had some mental health issues. He

0:22:54.281 --> 0:22:57.001
<v Speaker 2>said that she was addicted to adderall and had some

0:22:57.121 --> 0:23:00.681
<v Speaker 2>kind of breakdown. In twenty fifteen, Jim talked to Los

0:23:00.681 --> 0:23:04.160
<v Speaker 2>Angeles magazine about what happened that day. He said that

0:23:04.201 --> 0:23:06.921
<v Speaker 2>Heidi had begun acting strangely while they were driving back

0:23:06.921 --> 0:23:09.041
<v Speaker 2>to her house, that their son had been in the car,

0:23:09.441 --> 0:23:11.761
<v Speaker 2>and that after they got back to his place, Heidi

0:23:11.921 --> 0:23:15.321
<v Speaker 2>freaked out, trash Bond's room and crawled out a window.

0:23:16.041 --> 0:23:19.321
<v Speaker 2>Then he said, she started running through the neighborhood. Police

0:23:19.361 --> 0:23:22.120
<v Speaker 2>were called and when they got there, they found Heidi

0:23:22.241 --> 0:23:26.200
<v Speaker 2>switching an electrical circuit breaker on and off. It seemed

0:23:26.241 --> 0:23:28.481
<v Speaker 2>like reading through these court papers, Heidi. It had some

0:23:28.601 --> 0:23:31.761
<v Speaker 2>kind of a break with reality. According to court records,

0:23:32.041 --> 0:23:35.601
<v Speaker 2>Heidi agreed to check herself voluntarily into a psychiatric hospital.

0:23:36.521 --> 0:23:40.321
<v Speaker 2>But after that incident, Heidi got better. She got a job.

0:23:40.361 --> 0:23:43.321
<v Speaker 2>She started working for Camden Capital Partners, first as an

0:23:43.321 --> 0:23:46.641
<v Speaker 2>assistant and then by twenty seventeen, is the financial controller.

0:23:47.681 --> 0:23:51.161
<v Speaker 2>After the initial flurry of media activity, the case got

0:23:51.201 --> 0:23:54.681
<v Speaker 2>pretty quiet for a couple of months. Then on November fourth,

0:23:54.721 --> 0:23:58.761
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty one, police announced they had found Heidi's Range

0:23:58.840 --> 0:24:01.281
<v Speaker 2>Rover in the parking lot of a residential building that

0:24:01.361 --> 0:24:03.321
<v Speaker 2>was a few blocks away from the Hope and Flower

0:24:03.361 --> 0:24:07.881
<v Speaker 2>building where seven was found. And after that police announced

0:24:07.881 --> 0:24:11.761
<v Speaker 2>another break they had more video footage of Heidi footage

0:24:11.761 --> 0:24:15.041
<v Speaker 2>that had been taken on that same day. On October seventeenth,

0:24:15.161 --> 0:24:19.200
<v Speaker 2>at around six thirty pm, hours after she left her

0:24:19.201 --> 0:24:23.001
<v Speaker 2>son's game, she was in downtown La, walking in an

0:24:23.001 --> 0:24:26.321
<v Speaker 2>alley between eleventh and twelve streets. This is the little

0:24:26.361 --> 0:24:29.201
<v Speaker 2>alleyway that runs behind the Hope and Flower building where

0:24:29.201 --> 0:24:32.561
<v Speaker 2>the dog was found. She appeared to be wearing the

0:24:32.601 --> 0:24:35.641
<v Speaker 2>same clothes and the sweater that she had been wearing earlier.

0:24:35.921 --> 0:24:39.761
<v Speaker 2>She was wearing this weather she had tied around her waist.

0:24:40.001 --> 0:24:42.801
<v Speaker 2>One of her friends told a local news station KTLA

0:24:43.201 --> 0:24:45.360
<v Speaker 2>that Hidie looked like she was taking her dog for

0:24:45.401 --> 0:24:48.521
<v Speaker 2>a quick walk. Now, there were some people out there

0:24:48.561 --> 0:24:51.801
<v Speaker 2>who said that Heidie's hair looked darker, like she was

0:24:51.840 --> 0:24:54.241
<v Speaker 2>wearing a wig. But I've looked at this footage and

0:24:54.281 --> 0:24:57.241
<v Speaker 2>to me, that appears to be just a late afternoon lighting.

0:24:57.401 --> 0:25:00.241
<v Speaker 2>It clearly looks like Heidie. She's wearing the same clothes

0:25:00.281 --> 0:25:02.961
<v Speaker 2>she was wearing that morning, and her dog is walking

0:25:03.001 --> 0:25:08.321
<v Speaker 2>with her. Heidie's friends told local news stations that this

0:25:08.441 --> 0:25:10.840
<v Speaker 2>was a major break in the case because if the

0:25:10.881 --> 0:25:13.521
<v Speaker 2>couple's timeline was correct and they had found the dog

0:25:13.601 --> 0:25:16.961
<v Speaker 2>roaming the halls at around seven pm. That narrowed down

0:25:17.001 --> 0:25:19.640
<v Speaker 2>the window of time when Heidi went missing to around

0:25:19.721 --> 0:25:23.361
<v Speaker 2>half an hour or so. In the surveillance video from

0:25:23.361 --> 0:25:26.001
<v Speaker 2>the alley, Heidie was wearing the same sweater she had

0:25:26.041 --> 0:25:29.360
<v Speaker 2>tied around her waist earlier, so she probably went there

0:25:29.481 --> 0:25:32.921
<v Speaker 2>right after she left the game. Also, people who watched

0:25:32.961 --> 0:25:35.840
<v Speaker 2>the video pointed out you could see Heidie's purse, and

0:25:35.881 --> 0:25:37.681
<v Speaker 2>by the way, this was at the height of COVID,

0:25:38.080 --> 0:25:40.521
<v Speaker 2>she seemed to have a mask in one hand, which

0:25:40.561 --> 0:25:43.361
<v Speaker 2>meant that she was probably visiting someone in that building,

0:25:44.080 --> 0:25:47.401
<v Speaker 2>so it seemed like she either parked her car, took

0:25:47.481 --> 0:25:49.321
<v Speaker 2>her purse out, and was on her way up to

0:25:49.361 --> 0:25:52.640
<v Speaker 2>the building, or it's also possible she had been visiting

0:25:52.641 --> 0:25:55.881
<v Speaker 2>someone in the building, already left her purse in the apartment,

0:25:56.161 --> 0:25:59.761
<v Speaker 2>and ducked out for a quick dog walk. And again,

0:25:59.921 --> 0:26:03.441
<v Speaker 2>none of Heidi's friends or family had any idea who

0:26:03.521 --> 0:26:05.521
<v Speaker 2>lived in that building, who Heidi might have been going

0:26:05.561 --> 0:26:09.080
<v Speaker 2>to see, or what she was doing there. But another

0:26:09.121 --> 0:26:12.041
<v Speaker 2>one of Heidi's friends told reporters they had talked to

0:26:12.080 --> 0:26:16.201
<v Speaker 2>building staff and apparently they recognized Heidi and her dog.

0:26:16.321 --> 0:26:20.241
<v Speaker 2>Seven attention focused more and more on the Hope and

0:26:20.321 --> 0:26:23.481
<v Speaker 2>Flower Building, the last place where Heidi was seen alive.

0:26:32.080 --> 0:26:34.920
<v Speaker 2>As I said before, this Hope and Flower Building was

0:26:35.121 --> 0:26:38.441
<v Speaker 2>very controversial if you look at the yelper views. The

0:26:38.521 --> 0:26:42.160
<v Speaker 2>resonance claimed that there has been theft, drug use, dogs

0:26:42.201 --> 0:26:45.561
<v Speaker 2>defecating on their terraces, piles of trash in the hallway.

0:26:46.121 --> 0:26:49.761
<v Speaker 2>They claimed that their secured parking spaces are constantly vandalized

0:26:49.801 --> 0:26:54.161
<v Speaker 2>and broken into. After Heidi disappeared, I got several messages

0:26:54.201 --> 0:26:57.081
<v Speaker 2>from people who were friends of hers. I also went

0:26:57.121 --> 0:26:59.160
<v Speaker 2>to a prayer vigil for Heidi that was held at

0:26:59.161 --> 0:27:01.080
<v Speaker 2>the Hope and Flower Building. I met some of the

0:27:01.121 --> 0:27:04.761
<v Speaker 2>residents there and later some of the former residents contacted

0:27:04.801 --> 0:27:08.601
<v Speaker 2>me and talked to me about the LAPD investigation. They

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<v Speaker 2>told me that the police had been in that building,

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<v Speaker 2>that there had been a foul stench coming from the

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<v Speaker 2>trash chute. They had heard a rumor that a bloody

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<v Speaker 2>mattress or possibly even a body had been taken from

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<v Speaker 2>the building. Then the news broke. The LAPD was searching

0:27:23.921 --> 0:27:27.681
<v Speaker 2>Shaqida Canyon landfill, which was about forty miles away, the

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<v Speaker 2>same landfill where the Hope and Flower Buildings trash was dumped.

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<v Speaker 2>The police has not revealed much about what they have

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<v Speaker 2>found inside the Hope and Flower building, but on their

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<v Speaker 2>website they did state that quote, forensic evidence was located

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<v Speaker 2>inside the building, which has led detectives to believe an

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<v Speaker 2>incident occurred resulting in Plank's death end quote. The LAPD

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<v Speaker 2>stated that they believed something bad did happen to Heidi

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<v Speaker 2>and that they believe that it happened to her at

0:27:56.080 --> 0:27:59.761
<v Speaker 2>that downtown building, and they said they believed that Heidi

0:27:59.840 --> 0:28:04.120
<v Speaker 2>Plank was dead, but they didn't give any more specifics.

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<v Speaker 2>They didn't talk about what the evidence was. They haven't

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<v Speaker 2>asked the public for information, so really it's been kind

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<v Speaker 2>of a black hole. In December of twenty twenty three,

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<v Speaker 2>over two years after she went missing, Heidi Plank was

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<v Speaker 2>officially declared dead. A judge ruled she had died at

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<v Speaker 2>around nine pm on the night she disappeared on October seventeenth,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty one. There have been a few theories put

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<v Speaker 2>forward by people commenting online by armchair detectives. One theory

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<v Speaker 2>was that Heidi maybe was in trouble, maybe she did

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<v Speaker 2>something at work, Maybe she knew too much and something

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<v Speaker 2>led her to voluntarily go missing. I'm not buying that theory.

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<v Speaker 2>First of all, I don't think there's any way that

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<v Speaker 2>this woman would have left her son with no explanation.

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<v Speaker 2>And secondly, other than her son, she loved her dog

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<v Speaker 2>more than anything in the world, and I don't believe

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<v Speaker 2>she would have just dumped her dog at this building.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course, anytime you do have someone with a

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<v Speaker 2>background of mental health issues or potential substance abuse, you

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<v Speaker 2>have to ask could that have happened again? Again, I

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<v Speaker 2>think that that's very unlikely, mainly because she was acting normally.

0:29:13.241 --> 0:29:16.121
<v Speaker 2>This woman's employed, she had a good relationship with her

0:29:16.121 --> 0:29:18.601
<v Speaker 2>friends and family, and she had a son who she

0:29:18.641 --> 0:29:24.081
<v Speaker 2>called every day. There were some other rumors going around,

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<v Speaker 2>including one by an amateur detective who posted on YouTube.

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<v Speaker 2>She said she had talked to people in the Hope

0:29:31.321 --> 0:29:34.561
<v Speaker 2>and Flower building. She told the Sun newspaper that she

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<v Speaker 2>heard Heidi went to a party there on the night

0:29:36.801 --> 0:29:39.601
<v Speaker 2>she disappeared, that she had gotten adderall from a man

0:29:39.641 --> 0:29:44.001
<v Speaker 2>she was dating, and then apparently overdosed, possibly because the

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<v Speaker 2>drugs were laced with fentanyl. Then, according to this person,

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<v Speaker 2>the people in the apartment panicked and Heidie's body was

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<v Speaker 2>thrown down the garbage chute. But I have to say

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<v Speaker 2>there was absolutely no evidence that these rumors were true,

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<v Speaker 2>and honestly, not all parts of this story make sense.

0:29:59.921 --> 0:30:03.041
<v Speaker 2>For example, Heidi didn't look like she was dressed to party.

0:30:03.121 --> 0:30:05.321
<v Speaker 2>She looked like she was out on an errand when

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<v Speaker 2>she was seen on the camera with the dog, it

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<v Speaker 2>was early evening, six thirty or seven pm. And finally,

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<v Speaker 2>if there was a whole party full of people as

0:30:13.441 --> 0:30:16.161
<v Speaker 2>this person described, it seems really hard for me to

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<v Speaker 2>imagine that no one from the party talk, the whole

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<v Speaker 2>thing got completely covered up, and that they threw a

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<v Speaker 2>body down the trash chute without it being found. But

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<v Speaker 2>I do have a lot of questions about that building

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<v Speaker 2>and about the people on the penthouse floor. Jim Wayne

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<v Speaker 2>has said he was told by police that up to

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<v Speaker 2>five people know what happened to Heidi. But which five people?

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<v Speaker 2>Five people in the apartment building, And if that's true true, again,

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<v Speaker 2>it's very hard for me to imagine a world where

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<v Speaker 2>there was not surveillance footage showing those people. Even though

0:30:51.361 --> 0:30:53.841
<v Speaker 2>it was COVID, and a lot of places were probably

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<v Speaker 2>being rented off the books, surely they must be able

0:30:56.401 --> 0:30:58.361
<v Speaker 2>to get the names of the people who were in

0:30:58.441 --> 0:31:02.761
<v Speaker 2>the apartment on that day. The whole thing is very bizarre,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't think I've ever actually seen a case

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<v Speaker 2>where a dog was found in a location that was

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<v Speaker 2>completely foreign to everywhere in the victim's life, and there's

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<v Speaker 2>no trace of the victim. Jason Sugarman kind of disappeared

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<v Speaker 2>from public view after Hiding went missing, and I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to say again, he has not been charged with anything

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<v Speaker 2>or any sort of wrongdoing in connection with her disappearance.

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<v Speaker 2>On January tenth, twenty twenty three, the United States District

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<v Speaker 2>Court for the Southern District of New York entered a

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<v Speaker 2>final judgment against Jason Sugarman. Jason was ordered to pay

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<v Speaker 2>over ten point two million dollars in connection to the

0:31:39.081 --> 0:31:43.081
<v Speaker 2>scheme to defraud pension funds. Devon Archer was sentenced to

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<v Speaker 2>a year and a day in prison. He appealed, and

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<v Speaker 2>he is still out on bail. In January twenty twenty four,

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<v Speaker 2>a judge denied his appeal, so his case is continuing

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<v Speaker 2>to work its way through the court system. Bond and

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<v Speaker 2>seven are living with Jim Wayne. Jim told Los Angeles

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<v Speaker 2>Magazine six months after Heidi disappeared. Quote our son wants

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<v Speaker 2>to know what happened to his mother. I want to

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<v Speaker 2>know what happened to Heidi. I still think her boss

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<v Speaker 2>has something to do with this in one way or another.

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<v Speaker 2>End quote. There was another update story done in twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four, near the two year anniversary of her disappearance.

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<v Speaker 2>Heidie's family posted a billboard of her in Los Angeles

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<v Speaker 2>right now, they hope that someone will come forward. The

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<v Speaker 2>family has created an email address Heidi Plank h EI

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<v Speaker 2>D I P L A n C K at ProtonMail

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<v Speaker 2>dot com. The Los Angeles Police Department is asked anyone

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<v Speaker 2>with information call the Missing Persons Unit at two one

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<v Speaker 2>three nine nine six one eight zero zero. I'm Katherine Townsend.

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