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Speaker 2: On Sunday, October seventeenth, twenty twenty one, a thirty nine

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Speaker 2: Plank was originally from New York State. She was born

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Speaker 2: So of course police want to know about Heidie's relationship

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Speaker 2: the building, or it's also possible she had been visiting

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Speaker 2: someone in the building, already left her purse in the apartment,

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Speaker 2: and ducked out for a quick dog walk. And again,

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Speaker 2: none of Heidi's friends or family had any idea who

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Speaker 2: lived in that building, who Heidi might have been going

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Speaker 2: to see, or what she was doing there. But another

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Speaker 2: one of Heidi's friends told reporters they had talked to

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Speaker 2: building staff and apparently they recognized Heidi and her dog.

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Speaker 2: Seven attention focused more and more on the Hope and

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Speaker 2: Flower Building, the last place where Heidi was seen alive.

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Speaker 2: As I said before, this Hope and Flower Building was

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Speaker 2: very controversial if you look at the yelper views. The

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Speaker 2: resonance claimed that there has been theft, drug use, dogs

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Speaker 2: defecating on their terraces, piles of trash in the hallway.

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Speaker 2: They claimed that their secured parking spaces are constantly vandalized

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Speaker 2: and broken into. After Heidi disappeared, I got several messages

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Speaker 2: from people who were friends of hers. I also went

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Speaker 2: to a prayer vigil for Heidi that was held at

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Speaker 2: the Hope and Flower Building. I met some of the

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Speaker 2: residents there and later some of the former residents contacted

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Speaker 2: me and talked to me about the LAPD investigation. They

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Speaker 2: told me that the police had been in that building,

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Speaker 2: that there had been a foul stench coming from the

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Speaker 2: trash chute. They had heard a rumor that a bloody

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Speaker 2: mattress or possibly even a body had been taken from

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Speaker 2: the building. Then the news broke. The LAPD was searching

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Speaker 2: Shaqida Canyon landfill, which was about forty miles away, the

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Speaker 2: same landfill where the Hope and Flower Buildings trash was dumped.

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Speaker 2: The police has not revealed much about what they have

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Speaker 2: found inside the Hope and Flower building, but on their

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Speaker 2: website they did state that quote, forensic evidence was located

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Speaker 2: inside the building, which has led detectives to believe an

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Speaker 2: incident occurred resulting in Plank's death end quote. The LAPD

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Speaker 2: stated that they believed something bad did happen to Heidi

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Speaker 2: and that they believe that it happened to her at

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Speaker 2: that downtown building, and they said they believed that Heidi

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Speaker 2: Plank was dead, but they didn't give any more specifics.

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Speaker 2: They didn't talk about what the evidence was. They haven't

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Speaker 2: asked the public for information, so really it's been kind

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Speaker 2: of a black hole. In December of twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 2: over two years after she went missing, Heidi Plank was

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Speaker 2: officially declared dead. A judge ruled she had died at

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Speaker 2: around nine pm on the night she disappeared on October seventeenth,

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty one. There have been a few theories put

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Speaker 2: forward by people commenting online by armchair detectives. One theory

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Speaker 2: was that Heidi maybe was in trouble, maybe she did

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Speaker 2: something at work, Maybe she knew too much and something

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Speaker 2: led her to voluntarily go missing. I'm not buying that theory.

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Speaker 2: First of all, I don't think there's any way that

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Speaker 2: this woman would have left her son with no explanation.

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Speaker 2: And secondly, other than her son, she loved her dog

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Speaker 2: more than anything in the world, and I don't believe

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Speaker 2: she would have just dumped her dog at this building.

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Speaker 2: And of course, anytime you do have someone with a

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Speaker 2: background of mental health issues or potential substance abuse, you

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Speaker 2: have to ask could that have happened again? Again, I

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Speaker 2: think that that's very unlikely, mainly because she was acting normally.

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00:29:13,241 --> 00:29:16,121
Speaker 2: This woman's employed, she had a good relationship with her

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Speaker 2: friends and family, and she had a son who she

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Speaker 2: called every day. There were some other rumors going around,

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Speaker 2: including one by an amateur detective who posted on YouTube.

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Speaker 2: She said she had talked to people in the Hope

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Speaker 2: and Flower building. She told the Sun newspaper that she

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Speaker 2: heard Heidi went to a party there on the night

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Speaker 2: she disappeared, that she had gotten adderall from a man

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Speaker 2: she was dating, and then apparently overdosed, possibly because the

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Speaker 2: drugs were laced with fentanyl. Then, according to this person,

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Speaker 2: the people in the apartment panicked and Heidie's body was

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Speaker 2: thrown down the garbage chute. But I have to say

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Speaker 2: there was absolutely no evidence that these rumors were true,

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Speaker 2: and honestly, not all parts of this story make sense.

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Speaker 2: For example, Heidi didn't look like she was dressed to party.

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Speaker 2: She looked like she was out on an errand when

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Speaker 2: she was seen on the camera with the dog, it

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Speaker 2: was early evening, six thirty or seven pm. And finally,

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Speaker 2: if there was a whole party full of people as

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Speaker 2: this person described, it seems really hard for me to

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Speaker 2: imagine that no one from the party talk, the whole

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Speaker 2: thing got completely covered up, and that they threw a

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Speaker 2: body down the trash chute without it being found. But

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Speaker 2: I do have a lot of questions about that building

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Speaker 2: and about the people on the penthouse floor. Jim Wayne

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Speaker 2: has said he was told by police that up to

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Speaker 2: five people know what happened to Heidi. But which five people?

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Speaker 2: Five people in the apartment building, And if that's true true, again,

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Speaker 2: it's very hard for me to imagine a world where

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Speaker 2: there was not surveillance footage showing those people. Even though

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Speaker 2: it was COVID, and a lot of places were probably

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Speaker 2: being rented off the books, surely they must be able

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Speaker 2: to get the names of the people who were in

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Speaker 2: the apartment on that day. The whole thing is very bizarre,

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Speaker 2: and I don't think I've ever actually seen a case

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Speaker 2: where a dog was found in a location that was

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Speaker 2: completely foreign to everywhere in the victim's life, and there's

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Speaker 2: no trace of the victim. Jason Sugarman kind of disappeared

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Speaker 2: from public view after Hiding went missing, and I'm going

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Speaker 2: to say again, he has not been charged with anything

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Speaker 2: or any sort of wrongdoing in connection with her disappearance.

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Speaker 2: On January tenth, twenty twenty three, the United States District

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Speaker 2: Court for the Southern District of New York entered a

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Speaker 2: final judgment against Jason Sugarman. Jason was ordered to pay

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Speaker 2: over ten point two million dollars in connection to the

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Speaker 2: scheme to defraud pension funds. Devon Archer was sentenced to

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Speaker 2: a year and a day in prison. He appealed, and

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Speaker 2: he is still out on bail. In January twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 2: a judge denied his appeal, so his case is continuing

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Speaker 2: to work its way through the court system. Bond and

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Speaker 2: seven are living with Jim Wayne. Jim told Los Angeles

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Speaker 2: Magazine six months after Heidi disappeared. Quote our son wants

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Speaker 2: to know what happened to his mother. I want to

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Speaker 2: know what happened to Heidi. I still think her boss

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Speaker 2: has something to do with this in one way or another.

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Speaker 2: End quote. There was another update story done in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four, near the two year anniversary of her disappearance.

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Speaker 2: Heidie's family posted a billboard of her in Los Angeles

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Speaker 2: right now, they hope that someone will come forward. The

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Speaker 2: family has created an email address Heidi Plank h EI

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Speaker 2: D I P L A n C K at ProtonMail

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Speaker 2: dot com. The Los Angeles Police Department is asked anyone

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Speaker 2: with information call the Missing Persons Unit at two one

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Speaker 2: three nine nine six one eight zero zero. I'm Katherine Townsend.

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Speaker 2: This is Helen Gone Murder Line. Helen Gone Murder Line

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Speaker 2: is a production of School of Humans and iHeart Podcasts.

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