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Speaker 1: Every humans being on the face of this earth wants
Speaker 1: to know why I haven't us. Hey guys, Philip Holloway,
Speaker 1: your host of Sworn. You're listening to part two of
Speaker 1: the Lake of Coney murders. In the last episode, we
Speaker 1: got the chance to talk to a reporter for the
Speaker 1: Atlanta Journal and Constitution who has covered this case for
Speaker 1: the past three years. We also talked to an expert
Speaker 1: in solving cold cases and Putnam County Sheriff Howard Seals,
Speaker 1: who is still in charge of this case. Shareff. Seals
Speaker 1: offered to open up his case files for the very
Speaker 1: first time ever to anyone outside law enforcement, exclusively for
Speaker 1: the Sworn podcast. So Payne Lindsay and I took a
Speaker 1: drive out to Lake o Coney to meet with Sheriff Seals.
Speaker 1: The first thing he did will show us a detailed
Speaker 1: power point presentation with never before seen photographs from the
Speaker 1: crime scene. And today we're gonna share with you what
Speaker 1: we learned from seeing what was in those case files firsthand.
Speaker 1: We've used this with other law enforcement agencies, only this
Speaker 1: has never been shown to the public. We brought another
Speaker 1: law enforcement officers to look at this scene and stuff
Speaker 1: like that to get their ideas and things of that nature.
Speaker 1: So this is the first time anybody outside of law
Speaker 1: enforcement's ever seen that. This is the Derman residence on
Speaker 1: Caroline Drive and the Great Waters section of Reynolds Plantation
Speaker 1: here in Putnam County, out on Lake o'coney. This is
Speaker 1: the mailbox on the entrance to the house. This house really,
Speaker 1: as you can see, ken't be seen from the street
Speaker 1: very much other than the view of the garage basically
Speaker 1: from the end of the cul de sac. It sits
Speaker 1: at the back of a cove. It was really secluded.
Speaker 1: It was at the end of a cul de sac.
Speaker 1: There was a neighbor only on one side. It was
Speaker 1: a fairly normal house, and there really wasn't anything about
Speaker 1: the residents itself that caused it to stand out. This
Speaker 1: is a walkway from the house down to the dock
Speaker 1: and the lake itself. When were these pictures taken? These
Speaker 1: twictures are taken the day of the day the bodies
Speaker 1: were discovered, which was the Tuesday. We think this happened
Speaker 1: on about Saturday, made the third or fourth of two
Speaker 1: thousand and fourteen. The bodies were discovered the following Tuesday,
Speaker 1: and so these photographs were taken the day of the
Speaker 1: bodies were discovered. This doormat was originally of interest to us,
Speaker 1: and that staying there was obviously of interest to us,
Speaker 1: but it turned out not to be looks reddish in color,
Speaker 1: but it's not. It's not blood and the people who
Speaker 1: found them were on the ports there when we drove up.
Speaker 1: Wasn't founder. These are two friends. So there's another couple
Speaker 1: of married couple that were contemporaries of theirs. I don't
Speaker 1: think they were quite as old as the Dermans. The
Speaker 1: Dermans were Mr. Derman was his wife was seven. This
Speaker 1: is a Kentucktive derby party that was within the gates
Speaker 1: of this community and they didn't show up, and one
Speaker 1: of the couples who were friends of them called over
Speaker 1: there to you know, see if they were okay. And
Speaker 1: then they didn't live right next door, but they only
Speaker 1: lived two miles away, I guess at the most. And
Speaker 1: they didn't answer the phone, you know, And then they
Speaker 1: called back on Monday. A couple of times they didn't
Speaker 1: answer the phone, and then on Tuesday morning they decided
Speaker 1: they'd ride over there. And so they were on the
Speaker 1: porch and they had gone in the kitchen door which
Speaker 1: off that screen porch, which was not locked. They walked
Speaker 1: into the house. They were familiar with the home, and
Speaker 1: they went and opened the door from the kitchen into
Speaker 1: the garage. Look saw both cars were there. Mr Durbin
Speaker 1: drove a Lincoln town Car, older model Lincoln town car,
Speaker 1: and his wife had Alexis suv. Saw both the cars there.
Speaker 1: Soon they were there and then went around inside the house,
Speaker 1: walked all through the house looking for him, didn't find
Speaker 1: and then eventually the man walked down into the garage.
Speaker 1: The garage is a little lower about three steps down
Speaker 1: from the kitchen. This is literally as it was, and
Speaker 1: if you were to have opened the front of the garage.
Speaker 1: Would you have been able to see Mr Dermot Absolutely?
Speaker 1: Did it look like anybody had been through the rest
Speaker 1: of the house. No, it did not. There was no
Speaker 1: The house to a great extent looked almost staged. As
Speaker 1: you will see we're looking at now a picture or
Speaker 1: a closer picture of the dock. Was there anything like
Speaker 1: blood on the dock or any trace evidence that you're
Speaker 1: able to find. No. Absolutely, canaver dogs brought in or
Speaker 1: anything like that. Ever, dogs were brought in. We searched
Speaker 1: that cove. We were brought in the most sophisticated equipment
Speaker 1: we could get for viewing on the bottom of the lake,
Speaker 1: and we searched this cove extensively. This cove, we looked
Speaker 1: at every inch of it. We drug it initially. If
Speaker 1: you know what I'm talking about with drag hooks. As
Speaker 1: a former police officer and prosecutor and criminal lawyer, I've
Speaker 1: made a living out of reviewing police workings. SHEF. Sills
Speaker 1: really did seem to have covered all of his bases.
Speaker 1: He scoured the entire surrounding lake and the cove outside
Speaker 1: the Dermans residence. They brought in cadaver dogs. They even
Speaker 1: traced Mr Derman's last steps right down to his grocery
Speaker 1: list for the day. We know exactly what time he
Speaker 1: went into the grocery store. I've got video of him
Speaker 1: going into the grocery store. I know exactly what time
Speaker 1: he got those prescriptions. I got video of him. But there,
Speaker 1: I know exactly what time he went to the bank,
Speaker 1: and have video and there. The last time anybody saw
Speaker 1: them for sure was on Thursday, Thursday afternoon, he went
Speaker 1: to the bank, He went to Public's, got those prescriptions filled,
Speaker 1: got a loaf of bread and some cucumbers. They had
Speaker 1: alarm system that was functional, but obviously there was no
Speaker 1: alarm that went on at the time that the larm
Speaker 1: was not activated at this time. That's when you walk
Speaker 1: into their kitchen and right for s area, that's exactly
Speaker 1: what you see. It looks like really just anybody's garden variety,
Speaker 1: living room, kitchen area. It reminds me a lot of
Speaker 1: like my house. Would. I see some newspapers out on
Speaker 1: the counters, and that's the local eating and paper right there.
Speaker 1: Pieces of mail on the other counter. There was some
Speaker 1: mail that wasn't to be mailed on Netflix. Those medications
Speaker 1: you see on the counter. Mrs Derman was scheduled to
Speaker 1: have cataract surgery the next Weekursday was the last time
Speaker 1: he was seen, and he was found on a Tuesday.
Speaker 1: Tell us what happens to a human body if it's
Speaker 1: dead for four days, Well, the decomposition begins immediately. Now,
Speaker 1: we were, in some respects we were fortunate in this
Speaker 1: situation because that garage is air conditioned and climate controls,
Speaker 1: so we didn't have the same level of decomposition we
Speaker 1: would have had if it had not been. Did that
Speaker 1: help you determine with any degree of accuracy how long
Speaker 1: they had been dead before they were discovered. It was
Speaker 1: consistent with the time frame we believe they were killed.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure this happened on Saturday. We have reasons
Speaker 1: for that one. There was some email on that laptop
Speaker 1: that was sent. We know what time it was sent
Speaker 1: on Friday, and Mrs Dermot had completed You'll see it
Speaker 1: later in one of the other slides. She had completed
Speaker 1: the crossword puzzle in the USA Today newspaper. Now the
Speaker 1: Saturday us A newspaper actually comes on Friday, Friday afternoon,
Speaker 1: and her family says she normally did it in the morning.
Speaker 1: Decomposition the newspaper email on the laptop. All of those things,
Speaker 1: narrator winded down pretty much to Friday or Saturday. Despite
Speaker 1: the lack of traceable forensic evidence other than the headless
Speaker 1: body of Mr Dermott, she Our Sills was able to
Speaker 1: determine that the approximate time of his death was Saturday,
Speaker 1: May the third. But here's the thing to remember. The
Speaker 1: Putnam County Sheriff's office did not receive any nine one
Speaker 1: one call about this until Tuesday, May the sixth, that's
Speaker 1: three days later. That door, if you go kitchen, that
Speaker 1: door there that you see open, that was not open
Speaker 1: when the people found them. They left it open when
Speaker 1: they discovered the body. So that brings up a point
Speaker 1: that I want to talk about. We try to protect
Speaker 1: crime scenes from people entering and leaving crime scenes. In
Speaker 1: this situation, before you were able to secure the crime scene,
Speaker 1: there was at least some degree of contamination in this
Speaker 1: particular crime scene. There was so little things disturbed here,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm talking about, things like that that
Speaker 1: the fact that they had walked out there did not
Speaker 1: jeopardize anything much from a forensic standpoint. We put enough
Speaker 1: fingerprint potton in that house to fill the back of
Speaker 1: a pickup truck and contrary to what people think about,
Speaker 1: you know, my forties, replush your career, you know, make cases.
Speaker 1: I saw with the finger print one. Trust me, we
Speaker 1: pulled a lot of prints, but as far as identifiable print,
Speaker 1: our no, it's quality print, no, sir. You know these
Speaker 1: people were wealthy but frugal. If your back up one.
Speaker 1: They were using two thousand and three calendars for notes.
Speaker 1: Since we're narrating this, this is a like a three
Speaker 1: ring or two rings sort of flipped calendar. It's it's
Speaker 1: two thousand three and it's the data on it's January.
Speaker 1: So we're now in and they're using this old calendar
Speaker 1: to write themselves notes. This has a person's name and
Speaker 1: the phone number on it. We noticed small notes that
Speaker 1: they had written to one another as reminders of things
Speaker 1: that they were gonna do. One thing stood out, and
Speaker 1: that was a man's name and a man's phone number.
Speaker 1: As it turned out, that name and number belonged to
Speaker 1: a concrete tractor. Mr Dermot had planned on fixing a
Speaker 1: crack in their driveway, but he never got the chance
Speaker 1: to call the man. Sheriff still said that the concrete
Speaker 1: man had been interviewed and subsequently vetted and was ruled out.
Speaker 1: As you can see the house, it is just it's
Speaker 1: macumaculate in every way. Nothing is disturbed in any manner.
Speaker 1: There wasn't a single thing that seemed to be out
Speaker 1: of place at all. Just look at I mean, it's
Speaker 1: just immaculate. There was money in the credit cards, money
Speaker 1: in the person. Any evidence of anything being stolen, not
Speaker 1: that we know of. You know, there's a nice watch
Speaker 1: laying there, like a Rolex or something. There are rolex
Speaker 1: is there. The closets are immaculate. Uh, this is going
Speaker 1: down the stairs. Now. This is the den area on
Speaker 1: the ground floor. Huge liquor cabinet full of all kinds
Speaker 1: of whiskey. If this was simply a burglary gone wrong,
Speaker 1: you would think there would be some signs of a
Speaker 1: disturbance and of course some stolen property. We saw jewelry,
Speaker 1: we saw expensive things just laying around. There were rolex
Speaker 1: watches there, but nothing seemed to have been taken. They
Speaker 1: led a very simple life, actually a very simple life
Speaker 1: all things considered. She played bridge in the local bridge club.
Speaker 1: They went to a nondenominational community church. We had yet
Speaker 1: to see any signs of a struggle or even a
Speaker 1: murder for that matter. But as pictures of the Derman's
Speaker 1: garage began to appear on the screen, I could tell
Speaker 1: this was getting more ominous, and share Sells prepared us
Speaker 1: for what was about to come. The garage was a
Speaker 1: little bit of a lower level, and so when the
Speaker 1: people who found them, when they first opened that door,
Speaker 1: that's what they saw, which is nothing. You see the
Speaker 1: two cars, and you see the garage's doors closed. The
Speaker 1: cars looked very clean. It's a hell of a lot
Speaker 1: cleaner than my garage is in my house. When the
Speaker 1: man he found Mr Derman's body, when he saw that,
Speaker 1: he walks on down and as you will see, this
Speaker 1: is what you'd see. Oh my, this is I just
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Speaker 1: So what we're seeing here from from my perspective is
Speaker 1: a corpse. I see a a short sleeved shirt, looks
Speaker 1: like cotton. Uh, it looks like short pants with a
Speaker 1: design on them, barefoot. I see no head. I see
Speaker 1: that it is not exactly a a sever wound, as
Speaker 1: if you would expect someone to have been executed with
Speaker 1: like a guillotine style. It looks more like of uh,
Speaker 1: something that was taken off in a much more crude manner.
Speaker 1: I see some towels laying to the side of the
Speaker 1: left arm, and I see lots of blood and dried
Speaker 1: blood what appears to be dried blood. Uh around the body.
Speaker 1: It looks like the body maybe laying on top of
Speaker 1: a bathrobe. Is that, right, sheriff? And I see off
Speaker 1: to the right, is that a pair of shoes or
Speaker 1: flip flops, slippers slippers? Looks like the right foot has
Speaker 1: been dragged through a pool of blood for maybe a
Speaker 1: foot or so foot in a half. And it's very
Speaker 1: obvious from looking at this picture that that is not
Speaker 1: where he died. And the towels off to the left
Speaker 1: looked like they appeared to be there for maybe the
Speaker 1: purpose of keeping the blood from flowing out underneath the
Speaker 1: garage door. That it was clear to me that's what
Speaker 1: it was, because you can see the way the blood
Speaker 1: when it came out of the body as it drained
Speaker 1: out there. Uh it Uh, they thought that it would
Speaker 1: go underneath the door and would be exposed. I think
Speaker 1: at some point in time, maybe the body was propped
Speaker 1: up against that car, fell back against the dropped against
Speaker 1: that car. I see here now we're looking behind the
Speaker 1: link in which was his car, and this, this is
Speaker 1: a few feet away from the body. It looks like
Speaker 1: a um pool of blood there that's, you know, roughly
Speaker 1: the size of a head, and it looks like maybe
Speaker 1: a head was placed there and blood drained out of it.
Speaker 1: It's bigger, it's bigger than a head. But something light
Speaker 1: that was put there on the floor. Obviously it was
Speaker 1: uh you'll see these other blood spots that don't they
Speaker 1: don't have tails. Because of the condition of the blood
Speaker 1: surrounding Mr. Dermot's body in the garage, it was apparent
Speaker 1: that he was decapitated after he died. And the reason
Speaker 1: we know that is because if you sever someone's head,
Speaker 1: you're going to sever some major arteries that go to
Speaker 1: the brain, and when the heart's beating, it will literally
Speaker 1: spurt blood for several feet away from where the arteries
Speaker 1: are severed. If he'd have been alive, it would have
Speaker 1: been like a garden hose. I mean, I've seen hogs.
Speaker 1: I mean I've seen animals flattered, and it's quite quite
Speaker 1: dramatic and that's not present. You see. It was a
Speaker 1: very neat cut around the neck, almost like they used
Speaker 1: the T shirt as a guide. There was no such
Speaker 1: arterial spurting evident whatsoever. It was just like blood was
Speaker 1: simply draining out, as if water from a bathtub. After
Speaker 1: looking at these gruesome and savage pictures of Mr Derman's
Speaker 1: headless body, the sheriff showed us Mrs Derman's body. This
Speaker 1: is Mrs Derman's body, as I just literally picked that
Speaker 1: body up and put it on the front of that
Speaker 1: but personally, well sure who else would. Keep in mind,
Speaker 1: she had been missing for ten days. Ten days after
Speaker 1: Mr Dermant's body was discovered, two fishermen found her floating
Speaker 1: in the lake about six miles away. I already had
Speaker 1: my patrol boat, was already out there. I got this
Speaker 1: boat from the n R because I had a low
Speaker 1: free board, if you know, on tomback, because I knew
Speaker 1: I had to pull this body up and I needed
Speaker 1: something as low as I could get to. Uh. And
Speaker 1: there's Ms Derman's body, fully closed, typical attire, shoes on shoes,
Speaker 1: tied legatures around the feet right that's where it was tied.
Speaker 1: And that miss bag you see to the right contained
Speaker 1: two thirty pound concrete blocks. Whoever did this had tied
Speaker 1: cement blocks around her legs. They had tied her feet together,
Speaker 1: and she sunk to the bottom of the lake in
Speaker 1: about sixty ft of water. The body came up, faced
Speaker 1: down and lodged up against one of these trees, so
Speaker 1: it actually caught on it like this. Up until this
Speaker 1: point in time, I was working under the likely assumption
Speaker 1: that Mrs Dermott had been abducted. Now, one of two
Speaker 1: things happened up until this time Ms Derman had been abducted,
Speaker 1: that's what we thought. Or number two, um Miss Derman
Speaker 1: was a party to the crime and killing her husband.
Speaker 1: Now that was highly unlikely, given their length of marriage
Speaker 1: and a age and things like that. I was pretty
Speaker 1: confident that eighty seven year old woman didn't cut that
Speaker 1: man's head off. But she wasn't anywhere to be found.
Speaker 1: But the fact that our purse, their car was there,
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, we we were, we were very aggressively.
Speaker 1: We had our picture on billboards, electronic billboards all over
Speaker 1: the country, UH lookouts and things like that, uh looking
Speaker 1: for her, working her working at as at least when
Speaker 1: this we stopped that investigation. We stopped what we were doing,
Speaker 1: and now we're back to not thinking the perpetrator has her.
Speaker 1: Whoever sent her to the bottom of the lake clearly
Speaker 1: didn't think she would ever come up, but she did.
Speaker 1: And the reason that she did is that when the
Speaker 1: human body decomposes, the cells began to release gases, and
Speaker 1: the gases build up underneath the skin and the body
Speaker 1: becomes bloated. It looks like a large balloon, and eventually,
Speaker 1: even with sixty pounds of weight, the body will rise.
Speaker 1: I'm fairly confident that her body was disposed of by water.
Speaker 1: The location where it was disposed of, where it was recovered,
Speaker 1: you couldn't get to it by land, and there was
Speaker 1: no bridge or anything. She had had radical masectomy, and
Speaker 1: she had a prosthetic breasts. All of that was on.
Speaker 1: She was fully clothed, She had dressed for her day.
Speaker 1: She had on a shirt, she had pants, her shoes,
Speaker 1: Her shoes were tied. She had clearly dressed for her day,
Speaker 1: and whatever happened to her was clearly something that she
Speaker 1: wasn't expecting. When you put all this together, what it
Speaker 1: tells us is that at the time of the murder,
Speaker 1: Mrs Derman was likely awake and that this did not
Speaker 1: happen in the middle of the night, but it likely
Speaker 1: happened during the day. Tell me this, Sheriff. Do we
Speaker 1: know if Ms Derman was alive when she was put
Speaker 1: in the lake? She was? How do we know that
Speaker 1: pathological certainty? There's no She did not die as a
Speaker 1: result of drowning. How did she die results of trauma?
Speaker 1: Blunt force trauma to the head. One other key thing
Speaker 1: to understand about Mrs Derman is that she did not
Speaker 1: die from drowning. We saw photographs that are seared in
Speaker 1: my brain forever. She suffered multiple deep blows from a
Speaker 1: blunt instrument to her head. Two things going on here,
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Speaker 1: sent you. Philip Holloway from Sworn. There seems to be
Speaker 1: at least two different things going on here, two separate
Speaker 1: murders and their bodies in different places. The sheriff seemed
Speaker 1: very confident that there was more than one person involved
Speaker 1: in these murders, and I agree with him. After the
Speaker 1: sheriff showed us this PowerPoint presentation, which was a broad overview,
Speaker 1: we stepped back into his office for a little while
Speaker 1: and he shared some more candid thoughts on what kind
Speaker 1: of person or persons was responsible for these murders. The
Speaker 1: professional killer will come in your house with a twenty
Speaker 1: two or twenty two man and shoots you dead. Leave.
Speaker 1: They're not gonna cut your damn head. All. There's more
Speaker 1: than one person here. You see what I'm saying. There's more.
Speaker 1: There's there's more than one. I think it's more two.
Speaker 1: Every humans being on the face of this earth wants
Speaker 1: to know why I haven't saw. The Great Waters community,
Speaker 1: where the Dermans lived, is a fairly affluent and wealthy neighborhood.
Speaker 1: To get inside, you have to go through a gate
Speaker 1: where you're greeted by an attendant. Unless you have some
Speaker 1: business being there or you're a resident yourself. You can't
Speaker 1: simply stroll into this neighborhood. Unfortunately, during the time of
Speaker 1: these murders, the security cameras at the front gate were
Speaker 1: not working. Apparently a recent lightning storm fried the computers
Speaker 1: just a few days before the murders. There had been
Speaker 1: a storm eighteen days or twenty eight days earlier, I
Speaker 1: can't remember. There had been a storm. When you went
Speaker 1: into the guard check it was one of those situations
Speaker 1: where you saw it on the wall, you know, but
Speaker 1: it had recorded, and it had recorded since the day
Speaker 1: of that storm. Next up, Sheriff Sells offered to drive
Speaker 1: us out to the derman's property in the Great Waters
Speaker 1: community of Lake o'coney. So we piled in his truck
Speaker 1: and we headed towards the lake Yea and he knows
Speaker 1: a lot of people hello today. During the car ride
Speaker 1: share off, Seals opened up a little more with us
Speaker 1: and he shared more details about this crime. If the
Speaker 1: head was taken to the high evidence share, what kind
Speaker 1: of evidence could potentially be ben or on that head.
Speaker 1: If you're a fight and you're hitting somebody, your hands,
Speaker 1: they're gonna get cut. If that's just a fact, and
Speaker 1: so you know, maybe your blood's on that person's head,
Speaker 1: you know, or maybe you shot him. Maybe there's a bullet,
Speaker 1: Maybe you've got some weird odd gun that not many up.
Speaker 1: Talked to Georgia Power, talked to Hydraulo just at the
Speaker 1: University of Georgia. Everybody said that that body wouldn't have
Speaker 1: moved once you started coming up more than a hundred
Speaker 1: yards or so. After having multiple experts throughout the world
Speaker 1: weigh in on the conditions of the lake, the water's
Speaker 1: current hydrologists, they determined that her body could not have
Speaker 1: floated downstream for five and a half or six miles.
Speaker 1: So this means that whoever disposed of Mrs Dermant's body,
Speaker 1: they did so by way of a boat the Great Waters.
Speaker 1: They we're coming up on a man guarden house share Seals,
Speaker 1: thank you. This is a very planned community. Even though
Speaker 1: Sheriff Seals is left with few leads in this case,
Speaker 1: there is one vital piece of information that he had
Speaker 1: been holding back from the public for a while, and
Speaker 1: I witnessed account. Do you think who they saw is
Speaker 1: involved in this? And that was in broad dayline. I do.
Speaker 1: A neighbor happened to see a white male walking around
Speaker 1: the Derman's property during the day on Saturday, and that
Speaker 1: was the day that the Dermans were likely murdered. Give
Speaker 1: him the publicity that surrounded this case, anyone who was
Speaker 1: there for a legitimate reason would have come forward that's
Speaker 1: the guy right there. I mean we we interviewed over
Speaker 1: two people simultaneously here one button. I brought in twenty
Speaker 1: FBI agents and how many detectives from maybe sixty Sheriff
Speaker 1: Sales believes that this person is, without a doubt involved
Speaker 1: in these murders. They he said, white pick up. There's
Speaker 1: a long back there. You see what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: there's a view back in the woods. You can see
Speaker 1: the Derman house from back there. Not clearly now. I
Speaker 1: want to stress to you not kind of like looking
Speaker 1: here and see this house over here, see that foliage.
Speaker 1: If somebody was walking through there right now, you could
Speaker 1: see them right the lady, It's like, as I said,
Speaker 1: it's not what it's nice. What she couldn't see that
Speaker 1: was important, you know. That made me know she was
Speaker 1: telling the truth. I need. The key to solving this
Speaker 1: is identifying the person to see in that yard. Certainly,
Speaker 1: the key to solving this is I need somebody that
Speaker 1: knows something to give me a call. I've talked to
Speaker 1: anybody anywhere any time about this game. You've got two,
Speaker 1: two or more people out here, in my opinion, that
Speaker 1: committed a heinous crime, and by God, They need to
Speaker 1: be caught, They need to be tone. To this day,
Speaker 1: the Lake of Coney murders is by far one of
Speaker 1: the most frustrating and perplexing unsolved murder cases in America.
Speaker 1: The Sheriff sincerely hopes that by keeping this case alive
Speaker 1: in the public and in the media, that someone somewhere
Speaker 1: out there may have information and will come forward. If
Speaker 1: anyone out there has any information about the murder of
Speaker 1: Mr and Mrs Dermott, please contact local law enforcement or
Speaker 1: the Putnam County Sheriff's Office at seven oh six four
Speaker 1: eight five eight five seven. My d is gonna seek
Speaker 1: death penalty. I can tell you that right now this
Speaker 1: is what we do, the death penalty and Putnam again,
Speaker 1: the Mugi judicial circuit. We know how to do with
Speaker 1: death penalty and uh that what will be on the
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Speaker 1: in Atlanta. Story production and sound design by Payne Lindsay.
Speaker 1: Executive producers Donald Albright and Payne Lindsay. And if you
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