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Speaker 1: talked to filmmaker Nicole Teeney, hosted The Girl v Horse

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Speaker 1: ESPN thirty. For thirty podcasts, we chat about how an

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Speaker 1: Plus sports bars have come a long way, at least

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Speaker 1: Producer Mish has got your need to know today, Take

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Speaker 2: All right, folks. In Game one of the WNBA semi

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Speaker 2: Vegas Aces, the Libs were just too much. Riding an

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Speaker 2: electric crowd in Spike Lee's heckling Prowess, Brianna Stewart, sabrinian

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Speaker 1: It's Nicole Teeney. What's up? Nicole?

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Speaker 6: Hey, Hello, thank you for having me on the show.

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Speaker 1: We got to get back to that glass blowing at

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you did find a race in Arizona that existed

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Speaker 6: I was a kiddo and I was very clumsy, and

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Speaker 1: So I would almost feel like I was jinxing it.

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Speaker 6: if you're going to read one book about running, it's

433
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Speaker 6: usually Born to Run, and it's a pop sensation and

434
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Speaker 6: in it it positives this theory called the endurance running

435
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Speaker 6: hypothesis that says that humans are the world's best long

436
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Speaker 6: distance runners out of all the animals, and that we

437
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Speaker 6: did that way to persistence hunt, which is running down

438
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Speaker 6: prey to the point of exhaustion. This was before tools

439
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:52,000
Speaker 6: were invented by humanity, and that's how we got meet

440
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Speaker 6: And so I just want to read that. I was like, really,

441
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Speaker 6: really can we can we outrun a four legged animal?

442
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Speaker 6: You know, I've I've tried to catch a dog. You know,

443
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Speaker 6: I don't know if anybody here is like had a

444
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Speaker 6: dog that you like just gets off loot leash and

445
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Speaker 6: wear that dog. And so I was like, there's no

446
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Speaker 6: way a human could outrun a four legged creature, Like

447
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Speaker 6: I haven't having trouble with the dog, let alone a horse.

448
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Speaker 6: And he mentions horse like just one little sentence, and

449
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Speaker 6: I was like horse, And it just implanted itself in

450
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Speaker 6: my mind as this like totally absurd thing. But then

451
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Speaker 6: when I had just recently read it, and then when

452
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Speaker 6: I was in the hospital, I had had this goal

453
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Speaker 6: of like doing my second marathon. But you know, sometimes

454
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Speaker 6: when something big happens to you, you just need a

455
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Speaker 6: little bit of hope. You need something to kind of

456
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Speaker 6: pull you through, like I think a lot of people

457
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Speaker 6: do do their first marathon when something big happens. So

458
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Speaker 6: having done a marathon, I was like, I need to

459
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Speaker 6: do something crazy and that I would never imagine I

460
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Speaker 6: could do something to just pull me out of this situation.

461
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Speaker 6: Human experience is so funny because then I started imagining

462
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Speaker 6: them as horses, because it just ended up being this

463
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Speaker 6: sort of like it morphed in my brain.

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Speaker 1: Right, and you were like fixated on the idea of it.

465
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Speaker 1: I grew up being obsessed with horses. I would literally

466
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Speaker 1: make my parents pull the car over every time I

467
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Speaker 1: saw one, and started riding and even got into some

468
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Speaker 1: jumping into like whenever I'm near a horse, I'm extremely

469
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Speaker 1: comfortable and extremely happy. It's like my happy place. It

470
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Speaker 1: felt to me like you weren't necessarily a horse girl.

471
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Speaker 1: In fact, there was more fear than anything, especially when

472
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Speaker 1: you first started to be around them to think about

473
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Speaker 1: doing this race. What a strange thing to fixate on

474
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Speaker 1: if it's not even a place that you're remotely comfortable.

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Speaker 6: I know, right, So you are a horse girl. Yeah,

476
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Speaker 6: I love that. Yeah I was not. I think I

477
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Speaker 6: just found the idea really like fascinating and absurd, perhaps

478
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Speaker 6: even more so because it felt so like distant from

479
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Speaker 6: me and not in the realm of my own possibility.

480
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Speaker 6: I think that made it feel all the much more

481
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Speaker 6: like magical and unobtainable, because they I did have this

482
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Speaker 6: fear of horses, so it extent, you know, I had

483
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Speaker 6: a fear of the epilepsy too, so it was a

484
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Speaker 6: natural way of just sort of putting my feelings about

485
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Speaker 6: epilepsy onto the horses. Like sometimes we need a conduit,

486
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Speaker 6: you know, something to like funnel that emotion into. And

487
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Speaker 6: that's what that became for me.

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Speaker 1: So when you're honest with yourself and maybe with the

489
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Speaker 1: help of hindsight, before you ever did the race, set

490
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Speaker 1: up the race, why was it so important? Why did

491
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Speaker 1: you have to fixate on this very specific idea of

492
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Speaker 1: beating a horse in a race?

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Speaker 6: I think it comes back to that desire to do

494
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Speaker 6: something that you think is impossible. I think when I

495
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Speaker 6: had this moment of realizing this was for life, that

496
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Speaker 6: that epilepsy was now going to be a big part

497
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Speaker 6: of me, it had difficulty wrapping my head around that,

498
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Speaker 6: and it kind of overthrew the laws of the universe

499
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Speaker 6: in my mind, Like I get that it's a thing that,

500
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Speaker 6: like epilepsy is a thing, But when it happened to me,

501
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 6: it was like I would have never imagined. So suddenly

502
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:24,439
Speaker 6: you rethink what's possible. And so this crazy dream of

503
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Speaker 6: racing a horse that was just like, ah, wouldn't that

504
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 6: be funny ended up being like, well maybe I could.

505
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Speaker 6: I mean, if the world is so crazy that, like I,

506
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Speaker 6: this could random thing could happen me, well, then maybe

507
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 6: I could rap, you know, maybe I could run a

508
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Speaker 6: race against the horse. Like anything can happen.

509
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Speaker 1: There's some interesting psychology there. It's a little bit related.

510
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Speaker 1: But I remember during the pandemic, I had a psychology

511
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Speaker 1: professor on it and I was asking about why people

512
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Speaker 1: were doing things that seemed so out of the norm,

513
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Speaker 1: and our best excuse was they forgot how to act.

514
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Speaker 1: And I was like, that's not it. Like we people

515
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 1: setting off fireworks on random Tuesday nights, people losing their

516
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Speaker 1: minds on planes, people running onto the basketball court in

517
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Speaker 1: the middle of a game. That's not forgetting how to act.

518
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,479
Speaker 1: That's so outside the norm of what we've ever known before.

519
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 1: And what he said was in times of great feeling

520
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 1: of out of control, people contribute to the chaos because

521
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Speaker 1: they can control their own form of chaos, and to me,

522
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Speaker 1: it feels like that's what you were doing. You were like,

523
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Speaker 1: I am so out of control. I cannot control this

524
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Speaker 1: epilepsy or what it's doing to my behaviors and habits

525
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: in life. So I'm going to find something even more

526
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Speaker 1: chaotic and I'm going to control my response to that.

527
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Speaker 1: And that feels like something that maybe after you were done,

528
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Speaker 1: you had a completely different idea of why you had

529
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Speaker 1: been so fanatical about the race, and you saw it

530
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Speaker 1: differently entirely.

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Speaker 6: I really liked how you said that you create the

532
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Speaker 6: chaos that you can control. You hit the nail on

533
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Speaker 6: the head there, and I was asking Maryelle, my girlfriend

534
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Speaker 6: at the time. I don't know if I'm allowed to

535
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Speaker 6: reveal my wife.

536
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Speaker 1: Yeah, spoiler alert there, Mary.

537
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Speaker 6: About it, and she said, yeah, you kind of created

538
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 6: this thing that allows you to sort of put your

539
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Speaker 6: energy into and something that you could achieve and something

540
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Speaker 6: that you could bring your body to achieve. Because something

541
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 6: about a health issue that will all will you know

542
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 6: a face eventually is just that feeling of that you

543
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 6: knew your body and that like your body's letting you down.

544
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Speaker 6: And something that's really great about sports is it's an

545
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Speaker 6: opportunity where you can be like, oh, this is my body.

546
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Speaker 6: This is something I can bring my body to do.

547
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Speaker 6: This is a way that, in a healthy way, I

548
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 6: can control my body. And I think it was a

549
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Speaker 6: way of reclaiming, like this is my flesh, Like it's

550
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Speaker 6: kind of you know, screwed me over an X.

551
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Speaker 2: Y Z, but it can still do this.

552
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I have a much lesser example of

553
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: I was a collegiate athlete and toward my achilles created

554
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: a kinetic chain and balance. Haven't been allowed to run

555
00:28:58,200 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: for years, can't do all the stuff I used to do,

556
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Speaker 1: And so I picked something I could train for and do,

557
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 1: which was to hike the Grand Canyon and camp at

558
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Speaker 1: the bottom and hike back up. And it was not

559
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: as difficult as a fifty miler, but it was a

560
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 1: challenge and it was something I could still train for

561
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Speaker 1: and set a goal for, and that there was some

562
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Speaker 1: risk in not achieving or sucking at and keeping the

563
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Speaker 1: rest of the group behind, which my ego and pride

564
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Speaker 1: would never let me do. And yeah, it was this

565
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Speaker 1: feeling of like I'm so mad that I can't do

566
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Speaker 1: any of the things I used to do that were

567
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Speaker 1: so much a part of my identity that now I

568
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Speaker 1: have to find some other thing to plan for and

569
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Speaker 1: train for and do so that I can overcome this

570
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Speaker 1: feeling of like just stopping. I wasn't willing to just stop.

571
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Speaker 1: And that's absolutely what you were doing. I no spoilers

572
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: here because no one will understand the context, but I

573
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Speaker 1: need to ask you, did you have any idea that

574
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Speaker 1: a writer would ask you to tail?

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Speaker 6: Oh? My gosh, no, I mean, wow, that was totally nuts.

576
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Speaker 6: I mean I can't believe. It was just so magical. Yeah,

577
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Speaker 6: I can't necessarily, I don't want to give too much away,

578
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 6: but this crazy thing happened. And so tailing is this

579
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Speaker 6: situation where a rider will get off their horse. And

580
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Speaker 6: this is I think primarily an endurance riding, which is

581
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Speaker 6: long distance horse riding. So they they ride their horses

582
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Speaker 6: for like fifty plus miles. They'll hop off the horse

583
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Speaker 6: and grab the tail of the horse, and the horse

584
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Speaker 6: will pull them along with them. They'll run behind them,

585
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Speaker 6: and it's actually easier on the horse than carrying them

586
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Speaker 6: on their back, and.

587
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Speaker 1: And easier on the runner because you're getting a little

588
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Speaker 1: bit of a lift every time you step.

589
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Speaker 2: He like pulls you a little. Yeah.

590
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Speaker 6: Yeah, so these horses, I mean it required a lot.

591
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Speaker 1: Also, if your ass is hurting from fifty miles in

592
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Speaker 1: the saddle, you just want to stretch your legs a

593
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Speaker 1: little bit a bit.

594
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Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah, So I was exhausted at a difficult point

595
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 6: and somebody asked like, do you want a tail with

596
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Speaker 6: my horse? And I was like tail, Like they said

597
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Speaker 6: it was a thing that I would know.

598
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Speaker 1: Like, well, listen, lady, you're running a race with horses.

599
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Speaker 1: You'd think you'd do a little research.

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Speaker 3: You know.

601
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,959
Speaker 6: It's even when I googled it and searched it and

602
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 6: like did online.

603
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 2: It's actually known. Yeah, it's not.

604
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Speaker 6: You have to be in the culture, you know, deep

605
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 6: in the endurance writing culture to really I think know

606
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 6: about that.

607
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Speaker 1: It's a really magical moment of the podcast. There's a

608
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Speaker 1: lot in this of the story we tell ourselves and

609
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 1: how the very same reality can exist. But you can

610
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: put it through one perspective or another and decide that

611
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: that's what it means to you. Again, no spoiler alerts,

612
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: but you know, at one point your girlfriend Maryel is saying,

613
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: you're doing this for you, not just the end result.

614
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: And at the same time you're telling yourself. This is

615
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: a failed self involved stunt, right, And this is the

616
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: same act, the same intent, the same journey. And I

617
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: think that's another message throughout this is that one of

618
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 1: the best gifts we have is how to reframe so

619
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Speaker 1: that if things aren't exactly how we intended or hoped for,

620
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Speaker 1: we can't let ourselves get completely sidelined by that. There

621
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Speaker 1: has to be a reframing or a purpose found in

622
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Speaker 1: whatever we are handed, whether that's a diagnosed epilepsy or

623
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: the results of a race or anything else. And that

624
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: kind of was a through line throughout is how you

625
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: were able to perceive your intent and then the result

626
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: and what it taught you about your own interaction with

627
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Speaker 1: your diagnosis. It's a really interesting listen. It's very artistic.

628
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: Is that the style of all of your work? Or

629
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: did you feel like compelled to head in that direction

630
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: because it was personal?

631
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Speaker 6: I think this just inherently had a magical feel to it,

632
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 6: just because like running with horses just isn't necessarily the norm,

633
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 6: I suppose, I mean though it does, though, I should

634
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Speaker 6: say there are two races which you can join to

635
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 6: run against horses, manned versus horse and whales man against

636
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 6: horse in Arizona, but both.

637
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Speaker 1: Races for all genders are just named that for various reasons.

638
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, and which you know, I liked a petition,

639
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 6: you know, potentially could we just make it human versus cars?

640
00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 6: Just putting that out there. But I think, like my

641
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 6: work has a variety of styles. I do a lot

642
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 6: of documentary, and I think I like when I do

643
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 6: fiction it is a little bit more fantastical. So this

644
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 6: was really fun because I was able to bring that

645
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Speaker 6: fantastical aspect to a documentary to kind of like a

646
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 6: genre hybrid a bit, which, yeah, is I think enjoyable.

647
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was.

648
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Speaker 6: It's a little genre bending.

649
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: At the beginning, it was though, like what's happening here?

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