Speaker 1: Alson media.
Speaker 2: Dark woke is back, ten more years of liberal supremacy,
Speaker 2: bankers in control in the great nation of Canada. This
Speaker 2: is it could happen here. I'm Garrison Davis. I'm joined
Speaker 2: by James Stout. We are discussing the twenty twenty five
Speaker 2: Canadian election, which I maybe slightly exaggerated in the opening there.
Speaker 2: But the election did happen yesterday or two days ago
Speaker 2: whenever you're listening to this. I was up all day
Speaker 2: on on CBC and on elections dot Ca checking in
Speaker 2: on all the charts and all the stats to see
Speaker 2: how this how this kind of upset election went, and
Speaker 2: oh boy did it go. James, how much do you
Speaker 2: do you know about Canada and elections?
Speaker 3: But both of the things, the things that I have
Speaker 3: some knowledge about. I've been to Canada twice. That's a
Speaker 3: fellow common World member.
Speaker 2: I guess. Yeah, we are both citizens of the Commonwealth.
Speaker 2: So there we go.
Speaker 4: Just kind of have a queen on the money. Queen
Speaker 4: is dead, dead.
Speaker 2: Queen Queen is dead, but yes, we do have.
Speaker 4: Queen on money money. So that's another thing I understand.
Speaker 2: We have a parliamentary system like yeah, like do I
Speaker 2: say England or like Britain or UK.
Speaker 4: It's a yeah, it's a United Kingdom. I think would
Speaker 4: be the institute that Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
Speaker 2: Well we have one of those two, but it's less
Speaker 2: confusing because it's just one country. We don't try to
Speaker 2: be three countries like like you in the UK, Britain
Speaker 2: and England.
Speaker 4: We're a continent, let a mini continent. That's what we're
Speaker 4: going for. We've left Europe. We're on our way to
Speaker 4: the Caribbean slowly.
Speaker 2: Oops. Yeah, luckily Canada is doing just fine. Uh. The debatable,
Speaker 2: but certainly this election has has gone probably slightly better
Speaker 2: for global stability and stopping the advance of farign populism
Speaker 2: then certainly what it looked a few months ago for
Speaker 2: people WO don't know. Yes, Canada has a parliamentary system.
Speaker 2: People do not elect the prime minister directly. They elect
Speaker 2: the MP in their district, which is called a writing.
Speaker 2: It's a first past the post system, so whoever gets
Speaker 2: the most votes in each writing they get their representatives.
Speaker 2: Since to Parliament, the party with the most representatives they
Speaker 2: take control of the government and that is who the
Speaker 2: Prime Minister is and the next Prime Minister of Canada
Speaker 2: will be Mark Karney, who assumed the prime minister rule
Speaker 2: like last month, winning the Liberal election after Justin Trudeau
Speaker 2: resigned in January, and before we get into some of
Speaker 2: the results, at first, a little bit of an election
Speaker 2: kind of background. So Liberals have been in power for
Speaker 2: nearly a decade, slowly getting less and less popular as
Speaker 2: the cost of living has risen. Last election in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty one, the Liberals kept their minority government, but the
Speaker 2: leader of their party, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, continued
Speaker 2: to decline in popularity. By the end of twenty twenty
Speaker 2: four's approval rating was just twenty two percent or net
Speaker 2: negative fifty two. Conservatives were up twenty five points in
Speaker 2: the polls. It was a near certainty that they would
Speaker 2: sweep the next election. Trudeau announced his resignation on January sixth,
Speaker 2: kind of the January sixth of Canada if you think
Speaker 2: about it. Former banker Mark Karney won the party election
Speaker 2: in March or twenty twenty five. Carney quickly called for
Speaker 2: an election to write off the peak of anti Trump
Speaker 2: sentiment sweeping across Canada. This was following Trump's talk of
Speaker 2: annexing Canada. And the global trade war and tariffs directed
Speaker 2: at the American neighbor upstairs next door. I don't know, yeah,
Speaker 2: downstairs south, No, from America. It's a oh I see, yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: yeah from Yeah, got it understand, which is maybe a
Speaker 2: northern standpoint. But who cares.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 2: This election or an election, would have happened by oct
Speaker 2: Over twenty twenty five regardless. But calling it early was
Speaker 2: a smart move by Liberals as this was the first
Speaker 2: time in three years that they had led in the polls.
Speaker 2: Support for other third parties like the Keebuqua Bloc and
Speaker 2: the National Democratic Party the NDP had slowly been shifting
Speaker 2: towards the Liberals, and we saw this in the results
Speaker 2: Monday night. At this point, the Liberals are projected to
Speaker 2: win one hundred and sixty eight seats, falling barely short
Speaker 2: of the one hundred and seventy two majority. There's still,
Speaker 2: as a time of recording, still a possible path for
Speaker 2: them gaining a majority government, but it's fairly unlikely. It'll
Speaker 2: probably be a minority government. The Conservatives have won one
Speaker 2: hundred and forty four seats, the Blackabiqua twenty three and
Speaker 2: the NDP a measly seven, with the Green Party snagging one.
Speaker 2: Liberals also secured the largest vote share, forty three point
Speaker 2: six percent of the vote compared to the Conservative's forty
Speaker 2: one point four percent, though because of a vote efficiency
Speaker 2: basically how spread apart certain votes are, this has still
Speaker 2: led to much more seats for the Liberals than the Conservatives. Right,
Speaker 2: if you have more Conservatives voting in a district that's
Speaker 2: going to go Conservative anyway, those extra votes don't necessarily
Speaker 2: mean there's going to be more representation in parliament. That's
Speaker 2: the vote efficiency idea.
Speaker 4: Yeah, first plus supposed to is a very bad system
Speaker 4: as electoral systems go. It leads to an awful lot
Speaker 4: of votes not counting for any representation. Like, for instance,
Speaker 4: to Garrison Davis, party could have fifty one percent of
Speaker 4: votes in all ridings and I could be there at
Speaker 4: forty nine and I would get zero MPs.
Speaker 2: Basic, Hey, sounds fine.
Speaker 4: Sounds fine by me, Garrison Davis in control.
Speaker 2: Well, this is kind of what happens in Canada. The
Speaker 2: election system in Canada is pretty swayed towards the Liberals
Speaker 2: because of how much more dispersed they are versus you know,
Speaker 2: most Conservative supporters in the western Provincesaskatchewan, Alberta in BC
Speaker 2: and a growing presence in ont But yeah, the Liberals
Speaker 2: kind of always get a bit of a boost in
Speaker 2: the election. Now, we did have record high early turnout
Speaker 2: in Canada seven point three million people cast their vote
Speaker 2: early during Easter week. The full turnout is higher than
Speaker 2: it was the past few elections. But it matches pretty
Speaker 2: much to the twenty fifteen election. So to get a
Speaker 2: majority government you need one hundred and seventy two seats.
Speaker 2: This allows you to not have to worry about like
Speaker 2: no confidence votes which trigger new elections, and you don't
Speaker 2: need to work with other parties to pass legislation. Now,
Speaker 2: this will probably be a minority government with the Libs
Speaker 2: having to work with a small number of remaining and
Speaker 2: DP and Block seats to run the government, which one
Speaker 2: could consider a good thing in terms of being pushed
Speaker 2: maybe towards some better policies rather than just like liberal supremacy.
Speaker 2: But it also in its government will be more unstable
Speaker 2: and it kind of gives the Conservatives more room to wiggle.
Speaker 2: So it's definitely a mixed bag. As reporting first came
Speaker 2: in for Atlantic Canada, it showed that this would be
Speaker 2: a tighter race than what the Liberals were hoping for.
Speaker 2: During election night, it seemed Conservatives were on track to
Speaker 2: pick up two seats in Newfoundland, though in the end
Speaker 2: the Liberal incumbent barely kept their seat, beating the Conservative
Speaker 2: challenger by twelve votes. In Terra Nova the Peninsulas. The
Speaker 2: Libs did fare much better in Quebec, though they flipped
Speaker 2: eleven seats. This was the best performance by Liberals in
Speaker 2: Quebec in years now. Conservatives gained some seats from the
Speaker 2: Liberals in Ontario under Doug Ford, with Conservatives flipping seats
Speaker 2: around the Toronto suburbs. One of the biggest stories of
Speaker 2: this election was just the complete NDP collapse the progressive
Speaker 2: kind of democratic socialist New Democratic Party. They're currently projected
Speaker 2: to lose seventeen of their twenty four previously held seats.
Speaker 2: The NDP basically gave Carny this election. Jack met Singh
Speaker 2: lost his seat. That's the leader of the NDP. He
Speaker 2: lost his seat to Wade Chung, a Liberal, and stepped
Speaker 2: down as leader on Monday night. Part of what makes
Speaker 2: this such a big setback for the NDP is that
Speaker 2: because they failed to win at least twelve seats, they
Speaker 2: actually lose official party status in Parliament. Parties have to
Speaker 2: win at least twelve seats to be recognized as an
Speaker 2: official party in the House of Commons. Official parties get
Speaker 2: to have offices in Parliament, extra staff, They get to
Speaker 2: ask questions in legislative sessions and can sit on committees. Now,
Speaker 2: the NDP did previously lose party status in nineteen ninety three,
Speaker 2: winning only nine seats in that election, but this performance
Speaker 2: was slightly worse, getting only seven. So this is going
Speaker 2: to be a big shake up. The NDP is going
Speaker 2: to have to be forced to rebuild, which is maybe
Speaker 2: necessary based on kind of a degree of NDP stagnation
Speaker 2: the past decade. They're kind of caught in like twenty
Speaker 2: seventeen politics in my opinion, though saying did lead them
Speaker 2: to pass some significant legislation and progressive policies do have
Speaker 2: a degree of popularity in Canada. The NDP was polling
Speaker 2: about the same as the Liberals just three months ago.
Speaker 2: The movement that we're seeing is from NDP voters scared
Speaker 2: of Polyev and Trump, so they moved to Carney to
Speaker 2: avoid splitting the left vote, as Carney was seen as
Speaker 2: more capable of beating Polyev than the NDP leader sing
Speaker 2: and certainly Justin Trudeau.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: Funnily enough, some of this quote unquote strategic voting actually
Speaker 2: did end up splitting the vote in a place like
Speaker 2: be seen specifically Vancouver, which recently has gone strongly NDP.
Speaker 2: But this year the Conservatives were able to snag three
Speaker 2: seats because enough previous NDP voters ended up going liberal
Speaker 2: in an attempt to gain a Liberal majority, but that
Speaker 2: resulted in neither the NDP nor the Liberal candidate actually
Speaker 2: individually getting an enough votes to win the riding. Let's
Speaker 2: talk about vote share compared to the last twenty twenty
Speaker 2: one election, so Liberals did fairly well this election, especially
Speaker 2: compared to previous ones. They gained over ten points compared
Speaker 2: to the last election in twenty twenty one. Conservatives also
Speaker 2: didn't do badly, actually like they actually did. Okay, this
Speaker 2: certainly wasn't the result they were wanting, but they did
Speaker 2: not do bad. They gained over seven and a half
Speaker 2: points this race. Reliable conservative voters still voted conservative and
Speaker 2: they were able to siphon off some support from other parties,
Speaker 2: with Conservatives doing slightly better than what polling predicted, but
Speaker 2: a lot of very close races across key districts. Now
Speaker 2: where all those extra votes or vote movement is coming
Speaker 2: from is all of the third parties. The Green Party
Speaker 2: and the Blackapiqua both dropped over a point, The far
Speaker 2: right People's Party dropped four points and the NDPP eleven
Speaker 2: point six huge huge losses for the NDP. Most of
Speaker 2: those voters probably going liberal, although some may just not
Speaker 2: have voted. One of the more interesting parts about this
Speaker 2: election is that the Conservative Party leader Pierre Polyev lost
Speaker 2: his parliamentary seat. He lost to Liberal Bruce Fanjoy by
Speaker 2: about four thousand votes. Oh damn, four point six percent
Speaker 2: of the vote. So this is going to probably cause
Speaker 2: a bit of an upset in the Conservative Party. There
Speaker 2: might be some maternal conflict over whether Polyev should continue
Speaker 2: as party leader, though he did not step down from
Speaker 2: that position during his concession speech Monday night, James, do
Speaker 2: you do you have any thoughts here before we pivot
Speaker 2: to ads.
Speaker 4: It wouldn't be such a like scene of such a
Speaker 4: humiliation for the Conservatives if it wasn't for all the
Speaker 4: polling until maybe like a couple of months ago.
Speaker 2: Right, Yes, The reason why it's such an upset. Is
Speaker 2: because they were like a destined to wear as almost
Speaker 2: like divinely written into fate like three months ago, and
Speaker 2: the fact that they fumbled this is gonna be like
Speaker 2: a massive like historical footnote, not even a footnote. This
Speaker 2: is like a historical topic. Is how conservatives fumbled this election?
Speaker 4: Yeah, like people.
Speaker 3: The thing is that the Liberals want despite people having
Speaker 3: been pissed off with them for a long time and
Speaker 3: wanting something different.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, because people would just like mad at Trump.
Speaker 2: And we will talk more about the background of the
Speaker 2: lead up to this race and in those dynamics that
Speaker 2: James mentioned in the next segment after these ads, Okay,
Speaker 2: to talk more about the lead up to this race
Speaker 2: and Trump's influence on this election. I talked with Lance
Speaker 2: from the Serfs of fellow Canadian who talks politics just
Speaker 2: as much as I do. So here is that interview
Speaker 2: that I recorded just a few hours before the polls
Speaker 2: closed in Canada.
Speaker 6: Hey, my name is Lance. I run a number of
Speaker 6: different channels, usually under the banner of the Serfs. There's
Speaker 6: YouTube dot Com, Slash, the Surf Times and at the
Speaker 6: Serf TV. On most other social media, I cover news, politics,
Speaker 6: internet slop, usually from a dumpster fire like perspective.
Speaker 2: And you're Canadian importantly, Yes, I am, I am. I
Speaker 2: am Canadian, but I have been resigned to living in
Speaker 2: the States for quite a while. I actually just had
Speaker 2: some Canadian family visit me, and they kept making fun
Speaker 2: of me for living in the States, specifically because the
Speaker 2: States are trying to, you know, take take Canadian territories seemingly.
Speaker 2: So now I'm getting a lot of hate for my
Speaker 2: Canadian family members for living in America, which is interesting.
Speaker 6: I was going to say, it's got to be a
Speaker 6: scary time to be living in the United States as
Speaker 6: a Canadian citizen a little bit.
Speaker 2: I am I am dual, but we'll see how long
Speaker 2: that matters. So I want to talk talk a little
Speaker 2: bit about kind of the background of this election, because
Speaker 2: I think this is maybe the most interesting Canadian election
Speaker 2: in the past ten years, specifically because of how much
Speaker 2: the results have always felt it inevitable, but the actual
Speaker 2: results have like flip flop three months ago, four months ago,
Speaker 2: I'm sure that me and you may have predicted probably
Speaker 2: something resembling a conservative sweep. Not to put words in
Speaker 2: your mouth.
Speaker 6: Well, minority or majority government led by the Conservatives, know
Speaker 6: no question, that was where all the major polling was trending,
Speaker 6: and then the exact opposite on this.
Speaker 5: Roller coaster election in both directions.
Speaker 6: I think it's it's pretty easily explainable, especially to your
Speaker 6: American listeners who might have been wondering what was happening. Essentially,
Speaker 6: the country had a combination of burnout on Justin Trudeau
Speaker 6: and the person who replaced Justin Trudeau, Mark Carney, effectively
Speaker 6: took the number one campaign. It was the actual campaign
Speaker 6: slogan of the Conservatives away from him immediately after being
Speaker 6: crowned the new leader of the Liberal Party, which was
Speaker 6: ax the tax, which is what you know, fascist Millhouse,
Speaker 6: who we call Pierre Pollievro over here. That was his
Speaker 6: big campaign promise, The Conservatives were going to ax the
Speaker 6: carbon tax, and that had a lot of people excited,
Speaker 6: a lot of people didn't like Justin Trudeau. And then
Speaker 6: along comes Mark Carney and he takes both of those
Speaker 6: things away from the Conservatives. He's not Justin Trudeau, and
Speaker 6: he acts the tax and so they had to kind
Speaker 6: of completely reset. And this was before the wild card
Speaker 6: of Trump shows up, ye, which of course now is
Speaker 6: caring not only Canada but the world. I would say
Speaker 6: like most countries now are kind of having to completely
Speaker 6: reset how they think and want to do geopolitics into
Speaker 6: the future because of his policies.
Speaker 2: Well, and I know, like a decent chunk of the
Speaker 2: Alberta economy is now in great jeopardy because they can't
Speaker 2: sell fuck Trudeau merchandise.
Speaker 5: Which was dropping up the entire economy outside of the way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know if you go to the oil,
Speaker 2: which will probably be fine.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: I guess could talk a little bit about kind of
Speaker 2: what led to this universal hatred of Justin Trudeau in
Speaker 2: like the past like like five years, just like ever
Speaker 2: so briefly.
Speaker 6: Yeah, for conservatives, a lot of it really became increasingly
Speaker 6: more intense with COVID, and I think internationally there was
Speaker 6: an association with very basic safety protocols and tyranny. So
Speaker 6: I guess some people the United States and Canada both
Speaker 6: saw the idea of wearing a mask g having to
Speaker 6: wash their hands as some sortom of dictatorship akin to
Speaker 6: some of the worst war crimes ever committed on any population.
Speaker 6: That made a schism happen, where the sentiment kind of
Speaker 6: really started accelerating towards less of you know, blaming Trudeau
Speaker 6: for everything, kind of like Obama that used to be
Speaker 6: a joke, like Trudeau to actual fuck Trudeau merchandise, and
Speaker 6: the idea of you know, Trudeau being an enemy of
Speaker 6: the state and a communist dictator that was on the
Speaker 6: right side of things. On the left side of things,
Speaker 6: everyone got burnt out from Trudeau because the performer of
Speaker 6: progressive politics of his entire character, he was very vocal
Speaker 6: about standing up for a lot of issues that on
Speaker 6: one end he would you know, pretend to care about,
Speaker 6: such as indigenous rights, land backs, stuff like that, and
Speaker 6: then he would be suing the survivors of residential schools
Speaker 6: in federal court to try and prevent them from getting
Speaker 6: too much money from the federal government. So there was
Speaker 6: a lot of Trudeau seems to performatively enjoy being perceived
Speaker 6: as someone who's enlightened and progressive and trying to steer
Speaker 6: the society in a good direction, where his policies are
Speaker 6: effectively exacerbating wealth and equality very rapidly, because that's effectively
Speaker 6: what you get with neoliberal centrists.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like to go back to that COVID thing
Speaker 2: like I was in Calgary and like spring of twenty
Speaker 2: twenty two, and I was getting made fun of in
Speaker 2: like bars and clubs for like wearing a mask at
Speaker 2: that point in time, like and that is that is Alberta.
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, that was definitely like strong. We certainly
Speaker 2: saw degrees of that here in the States as well,
Speaker 2: but yeah, you know, it's a little bit of that.
Speaker 2: Like general anti incumbent sentiment was growing so much last year,
Speaker 2: which which you saw levied against the Democrats in the
Speaker 2: States and certainly against the Liberals. And the way that
Speaker 2: the Liberals in Canada have kind of been able to
Speaker 2: maneuver away from that in the way that like the
Speaker 2: Democrats haven't is super interesting. It's not necessarily like replicable,
Speaker 2: especially for US politics, but it's still as interesting. I guess.
Speaker 2: Like on the Conservative side, their leadership changed in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty two, right.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think so it was it was twenty two
Speaker 6: or twenty three, but I believe it was it was around.
Speaker 2: Them that's when plivertcame became leader of the Conservative Party,
Speaker 2: which is like you know, closed ranks and like coalesced
Speaker 2: the past ten to five years or so, and they've
Speaker 2: been they've been gaining a large it had been gaining,
Speaker 2: you know, a large degree of popularity the past two
Speaker 2: three years, not necessarily because of who their party leader is,
Speaker 2: but because they are simply not the Liberal Party. At
Speaker 2: least that's kind of what it seemed like to me,
Speaker 2: because like approval ratings for Paul of Aara's never been
Speaker 2: like great, but the Conservative Party has still been gaining popularity,
Speaker 2: at least previous to the past few months.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't want to play, you know, give the
Speaker 6: far right any kind of kudos or points, but I
Speaker 6: think from an analytical standpoint, something that people should realize
Speaker 6: is that within the last i'd say year and a
Speaker 6: half or so, Pierre was really really effective at doing
Speaker 6: faux populism in a way that a lot of people
Speaker 6: were starting to get very worried about, Yeah, and that
Speaker 6: he was starting to see a lot about the working class,
Speaker 6: you know, the housing crisis in the country and the
Speaker 6: fact that the Liberals are out of touch elites who
Speaker 6: only care about enriching themselves, and you know, a lot
Speaker 6: obviously you'd have a lot of the right wing kind
Speaker 6: of nebulous terms like woke ideology being tied into that
Speaker 6: kind of stuff. But he was for a long time
Speaker 6: kind of starting to gain a lot of ground in
Speaker 6: traction as more of a moderate style conservative who was
Speaker 6: concerned with helping the working class, which is astonishing considering
Speaker 6: the man is a lifelong.
Speaker 5: Politician like that, that is who he is.
Speaker 6: He was making fun of people like the leader of
Speaker 6: the Social Democrats here drug meet Singh. He was making
Speaker 6: fun of him for just working for a pension and
Speaker 6: not even caring about the people or the working class.
Speaker 6: The man is never marched with the union I'm talking
Speaker 6: about here. He's never marched with the union. He is
Speaker 6: a you know, his voting track record is decidedly anti worker,
Speaker 6: it's decidedly exacerbating wealth in the quality. Has worked his
Speaker 6: entire life to make houses more expensive. But marketing and
Speaker 6: branding really work, especially like you know, there's compilation clips
Speaker 6: of him saying things that are JK rallying tier in
Speaker 6: terms of both their nonsensicalness, Like talking about how electricity
Speaker 6: is crafted by harnessing the power of the lightning bolts
Speaker 6: into the wire that the electrician holds up.
Speaker 5: Very cool, Yeah, very cool, four like powers.
Speaker 6: I'm on board, but like, unfortunately that's just not how
Speaker 6: we usually generate power in this but like it works
Speaker 6: on some people. They like to see a man who've
Speaker 6: fakes owan like different kinds of wood and tools, you know,
Speaker 6: like at Tucker Carlson esque.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've got a would shop in my back and
Speaker 5: it's like that.
Speaker 6: Well, no, I think this is the first time you've
Speaker 6: ever seen that lumber, sir. But as you know, again,
Speaker 6: some voters, they really started his rebranding in that respect
Speaker 6: actually worked pretty successful for yeah, the last year and
Speaker 6: a half against Trudeau.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had a pretty substantial makeover the past the
Speaker 2: past few years to make himself like presentable in this way. Yeah,
Speaker 2: very like carlsonesque, very like Ben Shapiro goes to home
Speaker 2: depot and gets some wood. Yes, it's definitely pulling from
Speaker 2: that vein, although maybe a bit more successfully and like,
Speaker 2: at least from my perspective, it feels like the degree
Speaker 2: to which Pierre kind of hitched himself to like the
Speaker 2: Trump populist wagon the past few years, especially like with
Speaker 2: like sentiments like growing in like the Western provinces, that
Speaker 2: kind of mirrors some of the Trumpian rhetoric. That type
Speaker 2: of stuff was getting popularity. And now because he put
Speaker 2: if not all his eggs, but some of his eggs
Speaker 2: in the Trump basket. This is like backfired in like
Speaker 2: popular opinion when it comes to his ability to succeed
Speaker 2: as like a politician and like gaining support because we've
Speaker 2: seen so much anti Trump polarization based on like the
Speaker 2: fifty first state stuff based on the tariffs, and like
Speaker 2: Carnie has been able to weaponize that pretty effectively against
Speaker 2: against Pierre. Absolutely like it. Initially, like the way like
Speaker 2: popularity points shifted was like by like twenty points, which
Speaker 2: was like huge. Those have gotten closer, But.
Speaker 6: I think it's one of the biggest reversals or if
Speaker 6: not the biggest reversal in Canadian political history. Was the
Speaker 6: dominating lead they had from having it almost an assured
Speaker 6: majority to now perhaps losing to a liberal majority, which
Speaker 6: again is unheard of. Yeah, one thing that people are
Speaker 6: also kind of missing is that he also really closely
Speaker 6: started associating himself with Elon Musk.
Speaker 5: Prior to Leader of you know, the US or whatever
Speaker 5: you want to call him, the real.
Speaker 4: President of the United States.
Speaker 6: But he had a number of rallies and on the
Speaker 6: record praising Elon Musk prior to Elon Musk. This was
Speaker 6: pretty Elon Musk overt Nazi era kind of more just
Speaker 6: like Nazi light eraser.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 6: But around that time, Pierre was asked, like, what do
Speaker 6: you think about being endorsed and praised by Elon Musk,
Speaker 6: And you know, he started making jokes about how his
Speaker 6: kids want to go to Mars, so that's pretty cute,
Speaker 6: and started talking about how he wants Elon Musk to
Speaker 6: build more factories and plants in Canada. Well that's all
Speaker 6: really coming back to hurt him now, because the very
Speaker 6: idea of there being a stronger TESLA presence in the
Speaker 6: country is decidedly rejected by the populace. Like, you know,
Speaker 6: the protests that are going on in the United States
Speaker 6: against tesla's are going on here as well. Maybe not
Speaker 6: as large scale or perhaps as fire based, but a
Speaker 6: lot of them are occurring here, and so like that
Speaker 6: I think is also really hurting him. So there's been
Speaker 6: this really funny, strange political dance that's kind of happened
Speaker 6: in the last couple of months where everyone is trying
Speaker 6: to say Trump loves you more. It's like a circular
Speaker 6: firing squad. Like at one point the Conservatives were trying
Speaker 6: to market themselves to saying Trump was making fun of
Speaker 6: Pierre in this clip, so look he hates Pierre More. Yeah,
Speaker 6: And then another it was like, oh no, no, look he's
Speaker 6: talking a lot of smack about Mark Karney. He hates
Speaker 6: Mark Carney Moore. So that that has actually become a
Speaker 6: very strong dynamic of the Canadian election is who exactly
Speaker 6: does Trump like more? And that's not going to be
Speaker 6: good for you if it turns out you're the one.
Speaker 2: I guess I'd like to talk a little bit now
Speaker 2: at the end here about Mark Kearney himself and kind
Speaker 2: of what this means for like the Liberal Party. He
Speaker 2: was the Governor of the Bank of Canada, starting into
Speaker 2: as an eight Then he became governor of the Bank
Speaker 2: of England and managed them through the Brexit fiasco. Brexit
Speaker 2: was not his idea. He was not pro Brexit, but
Speaker 2: he just happened to be holding the reins of the
Speaker 2: of the Bank of England during that time period. Returned
Speaker 2: to Canada, has served as like an informal advisor to
Speaker 2: Trudeau and now is the is the leader of the
Speaker 2: Liberal Party. He's a very I don't know, he tries
Speaker 2: to like project this sense of like he's like a
Speaker 2: like like a reasonable man, which which which he you know,
Speaker 2: in some ways is like he's like he's like kind
Speaker 2: of boring. He works in banking. He's not like overtly charismatic.
Speaker 2: But he doesn't have like the the like youthful, like
Speaker 2: bumbling presence of like Trudeau. Like he just he seems
Speaker 2: he seems kind of basic. I don't know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean that's a good way of putting it. Yeah,
Speaker 6: you're totally right. I mean we're talking about a lifelong banker.
Speaker 6: I mean, he's even worked for gold Mill Sacks. He
Speaker 6: has a yes, a very long and started well. I mean,
Speaker 6: in some view, it depends on your worldview. Right, if
Speaker 6: you are as a person who thinks that the solution
Speaker 6: going forward, especially in the face of actual manifesting fascism,
Speaker 6: is more neoliberal policies, austerity and measures, then you might
Speaker 6: be very, very excited to perhaps get your own, like
Speaker 6: honestly Joe Biden style election here where we are once
Speaker 6: again going to be choosing center to center right economic
Speaker 6: policies that are going to undoubtedly exacerbate wealth and equality more.
Speaker 6: They are not going to solve the housing crisis. The
Speaker 6: housing crisis of Canada, while it is portrayed constantly as complex,
Speaker 6: really goes down to fundamentally there are a lot of houses,
Speaker 6: but there are also a lot of houses being built
Speaker 6: in luxury markets that most people can't afford. Speculation is
Speaker 6: not addressed, and so speculation usually gets blamed on foreign investors,
Speaker 6: which in turn kind of brings up the whole immigration fears,
Speaker 6: which are very successful. But with Carney, I mean, I
Speaker 6: don't see anything dramatic. Not only did he acts the
Speaker 6: carbon tax when he was in power initially, and that
Speaker 6: was again, I think, strategically to remove the power the
Speaker 6: Conservatives had on that policy. He also is getting rid
Speaker 6: of the capital gains tax, which again is just going
Speaker 6: to be funneling more money towards the ultra wealthy in Canada.
Speaker 6: So the problem for me is that, if anything, I'm
Speaker 6: happy that p here it looks like he might not win.
Speaker 6: I don't know what by the time people are listening
Speaker 6: to this, what the results are. But I also recognize
Speaker 6: that this does not solve these crises. For simply putting
Speaker 6: band aids on a pause before finally a Trump of
Speaker 6: our own gets elected and then yes, people after the
Speaker 6: facts start realizing, oh, Oh my god, he's doing a
Speaker 6: lot of the horrifying things that he promised he would do.
Speaker 6: He's actually trying to enact Project twenty twenty five. All
Speaker 6: these terrible things are happening.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Well, I mean, if this was an election.
Speaker 6: Where it looked like Pierre was going to win, I
Speaker 6: would say he is going to follow through on all
Speaker 6: the aggressive measures and more that he's promising right now,
Speaker 6: which include, you know, suspending the Canadian Charter of Rights
Speaker 6: and Freedoms to people that he deems should be worthy
Speaker 6: of receiving freedoms. Specifically because, like Donald Trump, he wants
Speaker 6: to begin silencing people for their speech in relation to
Speaker 6: protesting against Israel and their genocide of Palacidians, especially if
Speaker 6: you are an immigrant or someone on a student visa,
Speaker 6: and these policies you can see they're a disaster after
Speaker 6: the fact, and people I think wake up to them
Speaker 6: like Americans are right now when they realize Trump's actually
Speaker 6: doing it. But you know, make no mistake, it doesn't require,
Speaker 6: you know, too long of the increase in out wealth
Speaker 6: and equality for people to look for an answer because
Speaker 6: they're not being listened to by the libs or the
Speaker 6: liberals here.
Speaker 2: No it is interesting that how much this election has
Speaker 2: almost mirrored the American two party system with the Black
Speaker 2: Keebuquah as well as the MDP, like probably most likely
Speaker 2: right this is before the results, but probably going to
Speaker 2: be losing seats to both the Liberals and the Conservatives.
Speaker 2: And like, I think like a big part of this
Speaker 2: election I think is similarly looking back in the past
Speaker 2: ten years, is how much I think the NDP is
Speaker 2: frankly fumbled and probably needs to do a major overhaul
Speaker 2: to really regain trust in the voters. And yeah, it's
Speaker 2: going to be tough because I think, like for the
Speaker 2: Progressives in Canada, it's kind of been convenient for the
Speaker 2: Liberals to have a minority government because then they need
Speaker 2: to work with ENDPT.
Speaker 6: And they've gotten the law accomplished to be fair to
Speaker 6: Chuck meet Seeing and you know, they're for American listeners,
Speaker 6: the Social Democratic Party of Canada, they accomplished some great
Speaker 6: things working in a minority government setting, including a pharmacare program,
Speaker 6: including a federal feeding program for children, a school lunch program,
Speaker 6: you know, working on paid family sickly even extending it.
Speaker 6: So they've done a lot of good in sort of
Speaker 6: enacting progressive policies. But it's the Liberals who are also
Speaker 6: equally as good at taking credit for all the things
Speaker 6: that people have come to really like, such as having
Speaker 6: dental care for the first time and having cheaper firementcare
Speaker 6: and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Thanks to Lance again for talking with me about the
Speaker 2: Canadian election. It's time for one more ad break and
Speaker 2: we'll come back to discuss the future of the Canadian government. Okay,
Speaker 2: we are back. Let's talk a little bit more about
Speaker 2: Trump's undue influence in the twenty twenty five Canadian election,
Speaker 2: because it is a little bit odd for a foreign
Speaker 2: leader to be exerting this much influence in the votes of,
Speaker 2: you know, a separate country. Now, this was an election
Speaker 2: that was previously about liberal stagnation and wanting change in
Speaker 2: economic policy. This was kind of leading the conservative popular
Speaker 2: support the past two three years, and very suddenly this
Speaker 2: whole election changed and it became about to who Canada
Speaker 2: trusted to oppose Trump and who Canadians wanted to be
Speaker 2: like the face of Canada in this new global trade
Speaker 2: war and this fight against a hostile neighbor. And Trump
Speaker 2: did not help this. On election morning, Trump released a
Speaker 2: statement basically endorsing himself as the leader of Canada.
Speaker 4: Oh great, saying quote.
Speaker 2: Good luck to the great people of Canada. Elect the
Speaker 2: man who has the strength and wisdom to cut your
Speaker 2: taxes in half, increase your military power for free to
Speaker 2: the highest level in the world. Have your car, steel, aluminum, lumber, energy,
Speaker 2: and all their businesses quadruple in size with the zero
Speaker 2: tariffs or taxes. If Canada becomes the cherished fifty first
Speaker 2: state of the United States of America, oh no more.
Speaker 2: Artificially drawn a line from a many years ago. Look
Speaker 2: how beautiful this land mass would be. Free access, with
Speaker 2: no border, all positives, with no negatives. It was meant
Speaker 2: to be. America can no longer subsidize Canada with hundreds
Speaker 2: of billions of dollars a year that we've been spending
Speaker 2: in the past. It makes no sense unless Canada is
Speaker 2: a state.
Speaker 4: Man Trump the border appelationist.
Speaker 2: This is the rhetoric that really produced a liberal victory,
Speaker 2: and Trump did kind of back off this stuff in
Speaker 2: the past few weeks, and it's very funny to see
Speaker 2: him go like full throttle the morning of the election,
Speaker 2: in case anyone was like on the fence about whether
Speaker 2: they really was worrying about like Trump. This just this
Speaker 2: says like such a crazy hell, Mary. And we can
Speaker 2: see this in some polling stats. On Trump's inauguration day,
Speaker 2: the Conservatives in Canada were leading forty four point eight
Speaker 2: percent in the polls compared to the Liberals twenty one
Speaker 2: point nine percent to end the NDP's seventeen point six
Speaker 2: But as Liberals searched for a new leader and as
Speaker 2: Trump took office, the Conservative lead slowly started to slip.
Speaker 2: The CID began referring to Canada as the fifty first state,
Speaker 2: called the Prime minister quote unquote governor, and threatened to
Speaker 2: impose huge tariffs to stop a non existent fentanyl smuggling
Speaker 2: crisis through the Canadian US border. By April, the Conservative
Speaker 2: lead had fully flipped over to the Liberals, who rose
Speaker 2: to forty four percent in the polls, Conservatives falling to
Speaker 2: thirty seven percent and the NDP around eight point five.
Speaker 2: And these are pretty close to the final results. This
Speaker 2: number is very accurate for liberal support. Conservatives got a
Speaker 2: little bit more than thirty six percent of the vote
Speaker 2: and NDP got a little bit less than this eight
Speaker 2: point five. This is according to data from CBC and
Speaker 2: Abacus this was very much a leader's election, meaning that
Speaker 2: one of the biggest factors driving votes was who people
Speaker 2: wanted the prime minister to be, and Mark Carney is
Speaker 2: much more popular despite being kind of an unknown figure,
Speaker 2: which kind of actually helps in popularity, Carney's was so
Speaker 2: much more popular than Polyiev. The past three months, Carney
Speaker 2: has steadily gained in popularity, getting forty six percent approval,
Speaker 2: whereas Polyiev has slowly declined in popularity. I talked about
Speaker 2: this a little bit with Lance, but the degree to
Speaker 2: which he's aligned himself with this like anti woke, like
Speaker 2: far right populism rhetoric really bit him in the ass
Speaker 2: these past few months. He would have done fine against Trudeau, certainly,
Speaker 2: he was really writing off that like anti incumbent wave,
Speaker 2: but he is not like a loved figure across Canadian politics,
Speaker 2: even among some conservatives. The two most important factors driving
Speaker 2: Canadians vote, according to Abacus, was reducing cost of living
Speaker 2: and dealing with Donald Trump. Younger voters seem to be
Speaker 2: more focused on cost of living and changing policy, around
Speaker 2: fifty seven percent of voters eighteen to twenty nine, while
Speaker 2: older voters around fifty six percent of boomers were more
Speaker 2: concerned about stopping Trump. The very first topic in the
Speaker 2: Canadian Prime Minister debate was tariffs and US threats to
Speaker 2: Canadian sovereignty. This is seen as like a very real
Speaker 2: issue up there, and like hatred against the US is
Speaker 2: genuinely growing, like like people are very upset. Canadians are
Speaker 2: very upset about what Trump and the US has been doing.
Speaker 2: It's being seen as like a genuine like like intense betrayal.
Speaker 2: The by Canada movement's been gaining a lot of support
Speaker 2: with people trying to only purchase Canadian products and this
Speaker 2: has resulted in a real cultural moment in Canada united
Speaker 2: against the United States.
Speaker 4: It's genuinely remarkable. Like the Canada, the US have always
Speaker 4: had pretty good relations for it. Well not a waste
Speaker 4: they have.
Speaker 2: Well ever since that one, that one, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: they thinks they've improved it in and like it's what's remarkable.
Speaker 4: It seems to be having an effect in Australia as well.
Speaker 4: And if you've seen that, but like I think I
Speaker 4: saw an ad the other day that just said Duston
Speaker 4: wants to make Australia like America, Like straight up you
Speaker 4: know that this is our Trump and able to align
Speaker 4: with Trump, Like, yeah, it's incredible.
Speaker 2: The degree which Trump doing this global trade war has
Speaker 2: catalyzed negative sentiments around this, like far right populism, glo
Speaker 2: global wave that we've been seeing has really been a
Speaker 2: boon to neoliberal htch enemy the past few ys.
Speaker 3: You'll see like any I mean obviously, like I take
Speaker 3: voter interviews in like legacy media with a huge pinch
Speaker 3: of salt right, it's pretty easy to find someone who
Speaker 3: wants to say what you want them to say. And often,
Speaker 3: you know, certainly some of the US voter interviews have
Speaker 3: just been ridiculous, but like people saying, oh, I just
Speaker 3: want to go back to how it was, Like I
Speaker 3: want to go back to, you know, the things that
Speaker 3: we're used to. And obviously Trump is training that for
Speaker 3: a lot of people, and like in a very negative way.
Speaker 3: And so you and as Garrison said, like the politics
Speaker 3: of personality is becoming more important, like voting specifically for
Speaker 3: individuals who they think will have like the negotiating ability
Speaker 3: or just break or like whatever it is to stand
Speaker 3: up to Trump.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, And like in Canada, I think it's less
Speaker 2: personality driven. Like actually Canadians are very against personality politics. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's more like competency driven. And this is where Carneie
Speaker 2: was really able to succeed. It's because he's not a
Speaker 2: compelling personality, but he is like a professional and that
Speaker 2: is why he was elected. Carneie helped Canada whether the
Speaker 2: two US and eight financial collapse better than almost any
Speaker 2: other Western nation. He is genuinely good at his job
Speaker 2: of being like a neoliberal like bank economy guy, and
Speaker 2: specifically with these tariffs. This is the guy that you
Speaker 2: want to handle this global trade crisis because this is
Speaker 2: like what he has done his entire life. He's never
Speaker 2: been elected to office before. He is just an economy guy.
Speaker 2: And we saw this in like head to head matchups
Speaker 2: with Carnie versus Polier rating certain things like finding common
Speaker 2: ground to solve a dispute, where carne was twelve points
Speaker 2: ahead adding up to a bully Carney's eight points ahead.
Speaker 2: Managing household expenses Carney six points ahead. Sitting beside you
Speaker 2: on a long airplane flight Carneie six points ahead. Captaining
Speaker 2: a ship through a rough storm Carneie five points ahead.
Speaker 4: That's what you need. You need a seafarer only five
Speaker 4: ahead on seafaring.
Speaker 2: Hosting the best party Carney one point ahead, and we'll see.
Speaker 4: This is reminiscent of that, Like was it like Tim
Speaker 4: the plumber shit from like the bush pail in election?
Speaker 4: Like the people I would want to have a beer with.
Speaker 2: Well, this is the funny thing is is the concerns
Speaker 2: are still better in like those types of like physical
Speaker 2: things like putting out a kitchen fire, polyb is up
Speaker 2: to and putting up a shelf. Polyv's up six. There's
Speaker 2: the only two one speasured where the conservative candidate edged
Speaker 2: out the liberals is putting out a kitchen fire and
Speaker 2: putting up a shelf. But all other things like solving disputes,
Speaker 2: standing up to bullies, managing like expenses like household expenses.
Speaker 2: Carnee Carney came out. I'm going to read a few
Speaker 2: lines from Carnee's celebration acceptance speech here, and I'm just
Speaker 2: gonna read them and not play clips because he blends
Speaker 2: English and French and that's going to be annoying. No
Speaker 2: offense to our French speakers out there. Yeah, Garrison, it's
Speaker 2: gonna be annoying to play for a podcast. It's not
Speaker 2: gonna do for the kbra Qua crowd quote. America wants
Speaker 2: our land, our resources, our water, our country. These are
Speaker 2: not idle threats. President Trump is trying to break us,
Speaker 2: so America can own us. That will never happen. We
Speaker 2: are once again at one of those hinge moments of history.
Speaker 2: Our old relationship with the United States, relationship based on
Speaker 2: steadily increasing integration, is over. The system of open global
Speaker 2: trade anchored by the United States, a system that Canada
Speaker 2: has relied on since the Second World War, a system that,
Speaker 2: while not perfect, has helped deliver prosperity for a country
Speaker 2: for decades, is over. But it is also our new reality.
Speaker 2: We are over the shock of the American betrayal, but
Speaker 2: we should never forget the lessons. We have to look
Speaker 2: out for ourselves and above all, we have to take
Speaker 2: care of each other. When I sit down with President Trump,
Speaker 2: it will be to discuss the future economic and security
Speaker 2: relationship between two sovereign nations, and it will be with
Speaker 2: our full knowledge that we have many, many other options
Speaker 2: than the United States to build prosperity for all Canadians.
Speaker 2: We will strengthen our relations with reliable partners in Europe,
Speaker 2: Asia and elsewhere. And if the United States no longer
Speaker 2: wants to be in the forefront of the global economy.
Speaker 2: Canada will unquote and yeah, this is the type of
Speaker 2: rhetoric that's going to be I think successful in Canada
Speaker 2: right now and probably in the next few decades. Is
Speaker 2: Canada is going to try to take the spot that
Speaker 2: America used to hold as like the center of like
Speaker 2: global power, especially with climate change, with you know, crop
Speaker 2: crops slowly slowly needed to be moved north. I think
Speaker 2: as as as global warm progresses, Canada is in a
Speaker 2: spot to be like a new emergent like world power.
Speaker 2: And with the degree to which America is just kind
Speaker 2: of giving up that role under Trump, remarkable, someone like
Speaker 2: Carney is very interested in in gaining that degree of superiority.
Speaker 2: Now I'm gonna I'm gonna read a few comments from
Speaker 2: our listeners who I asked to send over their thoughts
Speaker 2: on the Canadian election. And yes, this is a limited sample,
Speaker 2: sask It's based on the politics of people who listen
Speaker 2: to this show. But I still think there's some interesting
Speaker 2: points here outlining what's happened in this election. Quote Mark
Speaker 2: Karney might not be far enough left for my tastes,
Speaker 2: but he immediately made gas cheaper, a tangible improvement for
Speaker 2: my brokeass, and with the way he's been pulling, I'm
Speaker 2: settling on voting for him to keep the Conservatives out
Speaker 2: with their stated anti woke agenda parenthesis bigoted. Not like
Speaker 2: I have much choice. I would have loved to be
Speaker 2: picking here about my vote, but I don't feel confident
Speaker 2: in the NDP or the Greens to come out on
Speaker 2: top of the cons Another person said, quote, I can't
Speaker 2: believe the country seems to be rallying around a neoliberal
Speaker 2: central banker in the face of American fascism, But our
Speaker 2: resentment to the US seems to kind of override all
Speaker 2: other political considerations. So much of the way this election
Speaker 2: is panning out is a display of our culture's profound
Speaker 2: inability to take necessary risks. We're running scared to the
Speaker 2: serious administrator, man in the blind hope things will be
Speaker 2: safe and normal again. When he fails, will take a
Speaker 2: late and stupid risk again. Unquote. And this is something
Speaker 2: I've seen other people express, is like with this kind
Speaker 2: of Obama esque, you know, serious man in charge, this
Speaker 2: like return of neoliberalism. Will this just set the stage
Speaker 2: for like the material conditions for someone like Trump to
Speaker 2: emerge in the next ten years. This is a fear
Speaker 2: that I've seen people express. I don't think it is
Speaker 2: an inevitability, because this is not America in twenty twelve
Speaker 2: or twenty sixteen. This is Canada in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: The world is different, but I can understand this fear. Lastly,
Speaker 2: I'll read one other comment or from Blue Sky quote.
Speaker 2: I understand the drive to keep the Conservative Party out
Speaker 2: of office, but I'm also terrified of what the Liberal
Speaker 2: Party will do to this country if they can keep
Speaker 2: campaigning on that very basis in perpetuity. It's good that
Speaker 2: we will probably avoid the worst. It's terrible that progress
Speaker 2: is on hold until the Conservative Party is no longer
Speaker 2: a contender, which could take decades. I also do not
Speaker 2: expect the Liberal Party to meaningfully change the conditions that
Speaker 2: are pushing voters towards reactionary politics. To be again with
Speaker 2: unquote so kind of a similar sentiment there. I think
Speaker 2: that the role for progressives in Canada right now is
Speaker 2: either to rebuild the NDP or infiltrate the Liberals, probably
Speaker 2: rebuilding NDP in most cases because they are going to
Speaker 2: have to have new leadership and seriously reevaluate their strategies
Speaker 2: going forward. James Any notes here, I guess, yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Think like I guess kind of to echo what a
Speaker 4: lot of those people said, Like in the US, we
Speaker 4: had Biden for four years, right, essentially because he was
Speaker 4: elected on not being Trump, and he was able to
Speaker 4: get away well, he thought he could get away with
Speaker 4: more than he actually was able to get away with
Speaker 4: as it turns out, electorally. But like we were admonished
Speaker 4: to vote for the person who wasn't Trump, right, and
Speaker 4: what we got is open air detention for migrants. What
Speaker 4: we got is inflation, and what we got is a
Speaker 4: genocide in Gaza, right. And this fear that a lot
Speaker 4: of other nations in the global north right, like these
Speaker 4: liberal economies are feeling, is going to lead to lots
Speaker 4: of that, like, yes, we need a serious man like
Speaker 4: we needed, we need a statesman to stand up to Trump,
Speaker 4: and that's going to reinforce a lot of that neoliberal orthodoxy,
Speaker 4: and that's going to make it very hard to make
Speaker 4: any meaningful progress to electoral politics in those countries for
Speaker 4: the next few years, which sucks.
Speaker 2: I think this is why some people are excited about
Speaker 2: the minority government, although it is less stable. Yeah, they
Speaker 2: could be swayed by some more of the progressive agendas
Speaker 2: from the NDP because they'll need an NDPU or block
Speaker 2: cooperation to run the government.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they can't do a by the date which like
Speaker 4: I mean.
Speaker 2: Also like Carney isn't Biden like and in the Canadian
Speaker 2: Liberal Party is is not necessarily the like American Democratic Party.
Speaker 2: Like that, they're they're different. Stuff on Gaza is different,
Speaker 2: like that the Canadian Liberals have have restricted arms, arms
Speaker 2: trades and arms deals to Israel the past year. Carney
Speaker 2: is not thrown trans people under the bus the same
Speaker 2: way some Democrats have the past year. Like these are
Speaker 2: these are different people. I think, you know, Canada is
Speaker 2: a different country than the United States. And I think
Speaker 2: what we can see here is that this Canadian election,
Speaker 2: although it was close, it still was a rejection of
Speaker 2: Trump's style polities. Most Canadians do not want Canada to
Speaker 2: go the way of America. There's there's been a subset
Speaker 2: of Canadians, especially in Alberta and and and Saskatchewan, who
Speaker 2: have been trying to push for this like mega style
Speaker 2: like Canada first rhetoric and and this was denied I
Speaker 2: think you were seeing more support for conservatives under Doug Ford.
Speaker 2: With this more like moderate conservatism. I think that's something
Speaker 2: to like watch out for more. But like this, this
Speaker 2: Trump style of politics was was rejected across the country
Speaker 2: and and Carney was able to figure out a way
Speaker 2: to make people trust him to be a genuine like
Speaker 2: combatant against against Trump and and usher in a new
Speaker 2: a new golden age of neoliberal trade in the face
Speaker 2: of Trump's Trump's chaotic and and anti market sentiments.
Speaker 3: Hopefully it does put an end to like this, this
Speaker 3: tendency among liberals, especially in the US but also in
Speaker 3: the UK, to like feel that they need to engage
Speaker 3: on right wing culture war talking points and like I
Speaker 3: guess quote unquote give some ground, Like we've seen that
Speaker 3: in the UK right with like really transfer big ship
Speaker 3: commit at a labor party, and like I would hope
Speaker 3: that like people can see where this leads to and
Speaker 3: that they're not going to vote for liberals who go
Speaker 3: throw trans people under the bus and like that that
Speaker 3: will be like a deciding factor in their support.
Speaker 4: But I guess that's just my hope right now. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, and frankly, you know, a better liberal party or
Speaker 2: a liberal NDP coalition would would be would be willing
Speaker 2: to engage with the idea of like taking trans refugees
Speaker 2: from these extremely hostile countries, which is just something they've
Speaker 2: they've not like, you know, publicly talked about. But as
Speaker 2: as things get worse in the States, we will, we
Speaker 2: will see. So yeah, but that is what I have
Speaker 2: to say as a as a Canadian who lives in
Speaker 2: the United States. My thoughts on the Canadian election, you know,
Speaker 2: it could have been worse. Is it is odd to
Speaker 2: see Canada almost accidentally replicate America's two party system. So
Speaker 2: even if this was a rejection of Trump style politics,
Speaker 2: this this this climate of fear did result in replicating
Speaker 2: America's two party system, which is kind of interesting the
Speaker 2: amount of which, like the third parties lost support, with
Speaker 2: support going just towards conservatives and liberals. That is, you know,
Speaker 2: one of the big stories of this election. The the
Speaker 2: NDP blowout one of the big stories and pauliev losing
Speaker 2: his seat. I think is it is at least the
Speaker 2: very least a nice cherry on top for this for
Speaker 2: this election.
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