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Speaker 1: Alson media.

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Speaker 2: Dark woke is back, ten more years of liberal supremacy,

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Speaker 2: bankers in control in the great nation of Canada. This

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Speaker 2: is it could happen here. I'm Garrison Davis. I'm joined

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Speaker 2: by James Stout. We are discussing the twenty twenty five

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Speaker 2: Canadian election, which I maybe slightly exaggerated in the opening there.

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Speaker 2: But the election did happen yesterday or two days ago

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Speaker 2: whenever you're listening to this. I was up all day

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Speaker 2: on on CBC and on elections dot Ca checking in

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Speaker 2: on all the charts and all the stats to see

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Speaker 2: how this how this kind of upset election went, and

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Speaker 2: oh boy did it go. James, how much do you

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Speaker 2: do you know about Canada and elections?

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Speaker 3: But both of the things, the things that I have

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Speaker 3: some knowledge about. I've been to Canada twice. That's a

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Speaker 3: fellow common World member.

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Speaker 2: I guess. Yeah, we are both citizens of the Commonwealth.

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Speaker 2: So there we go.

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Speaker 4: Just kind of have a queen on the money. Queen

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Speaker 4: is dead, dead.

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Speaker 2: Queen Queen is dead, but yes, we do have.

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Speaker 4: Queen on money money. So that's another thing I understand.

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Speaker 2: We have a parliamentary system like yeah, like do I

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Speaker 2: say England or like Britain or UK.

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Speaker 4: It's a yeah, it's a United Kingdom. I think would

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Speaker 4: be the institute that Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

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Speaker 2: Well we have one of those two, but it's less

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Speaker 2: confusing because it's just one country. We don't try to

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Speaker 2: be three countries like like you in the UK, Britain

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Speaker 4: We're a continent, let a mini continent. That's what we're

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Speaker 4: going for. We've left Europe. We're on our way to

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Speaker 4: the Caribbean slowly.

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Speaker 2: Oops. Yeah, luckily Canada is doing just fine. Uh. The debatable,

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Speaker 2: but certainly this election has has gone probably slightly better

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Speaker 2: for global stability and stopping the advance of farign populism

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Speaker 2: then certainly what it looked a few months ago for

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Speaker 2: people WO don't know. Yes, Canada has a parliamentary system.

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Speaker 2: People do not elect the prime minister directly. They elect

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Speaker 2: the MP in their district, which is called a writing.

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Speaker 2: It's a first past the post system, so whoever gets

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Speaker 2: the most votes in each writing they get their representatives.

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Speaker 2: Since to Parliament, the party with the most representatives they

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Speaker 2: take control of the government and that is who the

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Speaker 2: Prime Minister is and the next Prime Minister of Canada

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Speaker 2: will be Mark Karney, who assumed the prime minister rule

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Speaker 2: like last month, winning the Liberal election after Justin Trudeau

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Speaker 2: resigned in January, and before we get into some of

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Speaker 2: the results, at first, a little bit of an election

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Speaker 2: kind of background. So Liberals have been in power for

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Speaker 2: nearly a decade, slowly getting less and less popular as

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Speaker 2: the cost of living has risen. Last election in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty one, the Liberals kept their minority government, but the

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Speaker 2: leader of their party, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, continued

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Speaker 2: to decline in popularity. By the end of twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: four's approval rating was just twenty two percent or net

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Speaker 2: negative fifty two. Conservatives were up twenty five points in

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Speaker 2: the polls. It was a near certainty that they would

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Speaker 2: sweep the next election. Trudeau announced his resignation on January sixth,

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Speaker 2: kind of the January sixth of Canada if you think

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Speaker 2: about it. Former banker Mark Karney won the party election

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Speaker 2: in March or twenty twenty five. Carney quickly called for

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Speaker 2: an election to write off the peak of anti Trump

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Speaker 2: sentiment sweeping across Canada. This was following Trump's talk of

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Speaker 2: annexing Canada. And the global trade war and tariffs directed

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Speaker 2: at the American neighbor upstairs next door. I don't know, yeah,

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Speaker 2: downstairs south, No, from America. It's a oh I see, yeah, okay,

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 2: This election or an election, would have happened by oct

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Speaker 2: Over twenty twenty five regardless. But calling it early was

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Speaker 2: a smart move by Liberals as this was the first

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Speaker 2: time in three years that they had led in the polls.

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Speaker 2: Support for other third parties like the Keebuqua Bloc and

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Speaker 2: the National Democratic Party the NDP had slowly been shifting

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Speaker 2: Monday night. At this point, the Liberals are projected to

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Speaker 2: win one hundred and sixty eight seats, falling barely short

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Speaker 2: of the one hundred and seventy two majority. There's still,

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Speaker 2: as a time of recording, still a possible path for

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Speaker 2: probably be a minority government. The Conservatives have won one

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Speaker 2: hundred and forty four seats, the Blackabiqua twenty three and

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Speaker 2: the NDP a measly seven, with the Green Party snagging one.

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Speaker 2: Liberals also secured the largest vote share, forty three point

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Speaker 2: one point four percent, though because of a vote efficiency

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Speaker 2: basically how spread apart certain votes are, this has still

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Speaker 2: led to much more seats for the Liberals than the Conservatives. Right,

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Speaker 2: if you have more Conservatives voting in a district that's

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Speaker 2: going to go Conservative anyway, those extra votes don't necessarily

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Speaker 2: mean there's going to be more representation in parliament. That's

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Speaker 2: the vote efficiency idea.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, first plus supposed to is a very bad system

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Speaker 4: as electoral systems go. It leads to an awful lot

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Speaker 4: of votes not counting for any representation. Like, for instance,

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Speaker 4: to Garrison Davis, party could have fifty one percent of

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Speaker 4: votes in all ridings and I could be there at

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Speaker 4: forty nine and I would get zero MPs.

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Speaker 2: Basic, Hey, sounds fine.

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Speaker 4: Sounds fine by me, Garrison Davis in control.

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Speaker 2: Well, this is kind of what happens in Canada. The

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Speaker 2: election system in Canada is pretty swayed towards the Liberals

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Speaker 2: because of how much more dispersed they are versus you know,

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Speaker 2: most Conservative supporters in the western Provincesaskatchewan, Alberta in BC

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Speaker 2: kind of always get a bit of a boost in

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Speaker 2: the election. Now, we did have record high early turnout

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Speaker 2: in Canada seven point three million people cast their vote

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Speaker 2: early during Easter week. The full turnout is higher than

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Speaker 2: it was the past few elections. But it matches pretty

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Speaker 2: much to the twenty fifteen election. So to get a

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Speaker 2: majority government you need one hundred and seventy two seats.

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Speaker 2: This allows you to not have to worry about like

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Speaker 2: no confidence votes which trigger new elections, and you don't

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Speaker 2: need to work with other parties to pass legislation. Now,

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Speaker 2: this will probably be a minority government with the Libs

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Speaker 2: having to work with a small number of remaining and

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Speaker 2: DP and Block seats to run the government, which one

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Speaker 2: could consider a good thing in terms of being pushed

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Speaker 2: maybe towards some better policies rather than just like liberal supremacy.

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Speaker 2: But it also in its government will be more unstable

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Speaker 2: and it kind of gives the Conservatives more room to wiggle.

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Speaker 2: So it's definitely a mixed bag. As reporting first came

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Speaker 2: in for Atlantic Canada, it showed that this would be

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Speaker 2: During election night, it seemed Conservatives were on track to

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Speaker 2: pick up two seats in Newfoundland, though in the end

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Speaker 2: the Liberal incumbent barely kept their seat, beating the Conservative

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Speaker 2: challenger by twelve votes. In Terra Nova the Peninsulas. The

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Speaker 2: Libs did fare much better in Quebec, though they flipped

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Speaker 2: eleven seats. This was the best performance by Liberals in

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Speaker 2: Liberals in Ontario under Doug Ford, with Conservatives flipping seats

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Speaker 2: around the Toronto suburbs. One of the biggest stories of

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Speaker 2: this election was just the complete NDP collapse the progressive

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Speaker 2: kind of democratic socialist New Democratic Party. They're currently projected

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Speaker 2: to lose seventeen of their twenty four previously held seats.

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Speaker 2: The NDP basically gave Carny this election. Jack met Singh

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Speaker 2: lost his seat to Wade Chung, a Liberal, and stepped

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Speaker 2: actually lose official party status in Parliament. Parties have to

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Speaker 2: win at least twelve seats to be recognized as an

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Speaker 2: official party in the House of Commons. Official parties get

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Speaker 2: ask questions in legislative sessions and can sit on committees. Now,

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Speaker 2: the NDP did previously lose party status in nineteen ninety three,

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Speaker 2: winning only nine seats in that election, but this performance

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Speaker 2: to have to be forced to rebuild, which is maybe

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Speaker 2: necessary based on kind of a degree of NDP stagnation

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Speaker 2: the past decade. They're kind of caught in like twenty

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Speaker 2: seventeen politics in my opinion, though saying did lead them

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Speaker 2: to pass some significant legislation and progressive policies do have

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Speaker 2: a degree of popularity in Canada. The NDP was polling

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Speaker 2: The movement that we're seeing is from NDP voters scared

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Speaker 2: more capable of beating Polyev than the NDP leader sing

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 2: Funnily enough, some of this quote unquote strategic voting actually

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Speaker 2: But this year the Conservatives were able to snag three

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Speaker 2: seats because enough previous NDP voters ended up going liberal

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Speaker 2: resulted in neither the NDP nor the Liberal candidate actually

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Speaker 2: talk about vote share compared to the last twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: didn't do badly, actually like they actually did. Okay, this

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Speaker 2: certainly wasn't the result they were wanting, but they did

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Speaker 2: where all those extra votes or vote movement is coming

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Speaker 2: from is all of the third parties. The Green Party

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Speaker 2: those voters probably going liberal, although some may just not

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Speaker 2: have voted. One of the more interesting parts about this

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Speaker 2: election is that the Conservative Party leader Pierre Polyev lost

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Speaker 2: his parliamentary seat. He lost to Liberal Bruce Fanjoy by

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Speaker 2: about four thousand votes. Oh damn, four point six percent

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Speaker 2: a bit of an upset in the Conservative Party. There

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Speaker 2: might be some maternal conflict over whether Polyev should continue

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Speaker 2: as party leader, though he did not step down from

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Speaker 2: that position during his concession speech Monday night, James, do

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Speaker 2: you do you have any thoughts here before we pivot

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Speaker 2: to ads.

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Speaker 4: It wouldn't be such a like scene of such a

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Speaker 4: humiliation for the Conservatives if it wasn't for all the

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Speaker 4: polling until maybe like a couple of months ago.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yes, The reason why it's such an upset. Is

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Speaker 2: because they were like a destined to wear as almost

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Speaker 2: like divinely written into fate like three months ago, and

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Speaker 2: the fact that they fumbled this is gonna be like

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Speaker 2: a massive like historical footnote, not even a footnote. This

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Speaker 2: is like a historical topic. Is how conservatives fumbled this election?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, like people.

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Speaker 3: The thing is that the Liberals want despite people having

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Speaker 3: been pissed off with them for a long time and

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, because people would just like mad at Trump.

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Speaker 2: And we will talk more about the background of the

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Speaker 2: James mentioned in the next segment after these ads, Okay,

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Speaker 6: Hey, my name is Lance. I run a number of

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Speaker 2: And you're Canadian importantly, Yes, I am, I am. I

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Speaker 6: Well, minority or majority government led by the Conservatives, know

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Speaker 2: Well, and I know, like a decent chunk of the

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Speaker 5: Which was dropping up the entire economy outside of the way.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, for conservatives, a lot of it really became increasingly

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I like to go back to that COVID thing

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't want to play, you know, give the

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Speaker 6: the man is a lifelong.

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Speaker 5: Politician like that, that is who he is.

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Speaker 6: He was making fun of people like the leader of

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Speaker 6: The man is never marched with the union I'm talking

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Speaker 6: a you know, his voting track record is decidedly anti worker,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I've got a would shop in my back and

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Speaker 6: Well, no, I think this is the first time you've

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Speaker 5: Prior to Leader of you know, the US or whatever

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Speaker 6: But he had a number of rallies and on the

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Speaker 6: against tesla's are going on here as well. Maybe not

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Speaker 6: as large scale or perhaps as fire based, but a

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Speaker 6: lot of them are occurring here, and so like that

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Speaker 6: I think is also really hurting him. So there's been

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Speaker 6: this really funny, strange political dance that's kind of happened

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Speaker 6: in the last couple of months where everyone is trying

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Speaker 6: to say Trump loves you more. It's like a circular

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Speaker 6: firing squad. Like at one point the Conservatives were trying

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Speaker 6: to market themselves to saying Trump was making fun of

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Speaker 6: Pierre in this clip, so look he hates Pierre More. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: And then another it was like, oh no, no, look he's

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Speaker 6: talking a lot of smack about Mark Karney. He hates

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Speaker 6: Mark Carney Moore. So that that has actually become a

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Speaker 6: very strong dynamic of the Canadian election is who exactly

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Speaker 6: does Trump like more? And that's not going to be

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Speaker 6: good for you if it turns out you're the one.

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Speaker 2: I guess I'd like to talk a little bit now

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Speaker 2: at the end here about Mark Kearney himself and kind

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Speaker 2: of what this means for like the Liberal Party. He

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Speaker 2: was the Governor of the Bank of Canada, starting into

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Speaker 2: as an eight Then he became governor of the Bank

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Speaker 2: of England and managed them through the Brexit fiasco. Brexit

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Speaker 2: was not his idea. He was not pro Brexit, but

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Speaker 2: he just happened to be holding the reins of the

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Speaker 2: of the Bank of England during that time period. Returned

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Speaker 2: to Canada, has served as like an informal advisor to

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Speaker 2: Trudeau and now is the is the leader of the

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Speaker 2: Liberal Party. He's a very I don't know, he tries

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Speaker 2: to like project this sense of like he's like a

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Speaker 2: like like a reasonable man, which which which he you know,

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Speaker 2: in some ways is like he's like he's like kind

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Speaker 2: of boring. He works in banking. He's not like overtly charismatic.

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Speaker 2: But he doesn't have like the the like youthful, like

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Speaker 2: bumbling presence of like Trudeau. Like he just he seems

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Speaker 2: he seems kind of basic. I don't know.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean that's a good way of putting it. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: you're totally right. I mean we're talking about a lifelong banker.

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Speaker 6: I mean, he's even worked for gold Mill Sacks. He

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Speaker 6: has a yes, a very long and started well. I mean,

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Speaker 6: in some view, it depends on your worldview. Right, if

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Speaker 6: you are as a person who thinks that the solution

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Speaker 6: going forward, especially in the face of actual manifesting fascism,

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Speaker 6: is more neoliberal policies, austerity and measures, then you might

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Speaker 6: be very, very excited to perhaps get your own, like

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Speaker 6: honestly Joe Biden style election here where we are once

484
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Speaker 6: again going to be choosing center to center right economic

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Speaker 6: policies that are going to undoubtedly exacerbate wealth and equality more.

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Speaker 6: They are not going to solve the housing crisis. The

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Speaker 6: housing crisis of Canada, while it is portrayed constantly as complex,

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Speaker 6: really goes down to fundamentally there are a lot of houses,

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Speaker 6: but there are also a lot of houses being built

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Speaker 6: in luxury markets that most people can't afford. Speculation is

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Speaker 6: not addressed, and so speculation usually gets blamed on foreign investors,

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Speaker 6: which in turn kind of brings up the whole immigration fears,

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Speaker 6: which are very successful. But with Carney, I mean, I

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Speaker 6: don't see anything dramatic. Not only did he acts the

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Speaker 6: carbon tax when he was in power initially, and that

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Speaker 6: was again, I think, strategically to remove the power the

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Speaker 6: Conservatives had on that policy. He also is getting rid

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Speaker 6: of the capital gains tax, which again is just going

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Speaker 6: to be funneling more money towards the ultra wealthy in Canada.

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Speaker 6: So the problem for me is that, if anything, I'm

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Speaker 6: happy that p here it looks like he might not win.

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Speaker 6: I don't know what by the time people are listening

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Speaker 6: to this, what the results are. But I also recognize

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Speaker 6: that this does not solve these crises. For simply putting

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Speaker 6: band aids on a pause before finally a Trump of

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Speaker 6: our own gets elected and then yes, people after the

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Speaker 6: facts start realizing, oh, Oh my god, he's doing a

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Speaker 6: lot of the horrifying things that he promised he would do.

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Speaker 6: He's actually trying to enact Project twenty twenty five. All

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Speaker 6: these terrible things are happening.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Well, I mean, if this was an election.

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Speaker 6: Where it looked like Pierre was going to win, I

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Speaker 6: would say he is going to follow through on all

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Speaker 6: the aggressive measures and more that he's promising right now,

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Speaker 6: which include, you know, suspending the Canadian Charter of Rights

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Speaker 6: and Freedoms to people that he deems should be worthy

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Speaker 6: of receiving freedoms. Specifically because, like Donald Trump, he wants

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Speaker 6: to begin silencing people for their speech in relation to

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Speaker 6: protesting against Israel and their genocide of Palacidians, especially if

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Speaker 6: you are an immigrant or someone on a student visa,

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Speaker 6: and these policies you can see they're a disaster after

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Speaker 6: the fact, and people I think wake up to them

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Speaker 6: like Americans are right now when they realize Trump's actually

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Speaker 6: doing it. But you know, make no mistake, it doesn't require,

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Speaker 6: you know, too long of the increase in out wealth

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Speaker 6: and equality for people to look for an answer because

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Speaker 6: they're not being listened to by the libs or the

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Speaker 6: liberals here.

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Speaker 2: No it is interesting that how much this election has

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Speaker 2: almost mirrored the American two party system with the Black

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Speaker 2: Keebuquah as well as the MDP, like probably most likely

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Speaker 2: right this is before the results, but probably going to

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Speaker 2: be losing seats to both the Liberals and the Conservatives.

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Speaker 2: And like, I think like a big part of this

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Speaker 2: election I think is similarly looking back in the past

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Speaker 2: ten years, is how much I think the NDP is

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Speaker 2: frankly fumbled and probably needs to do a major overhaul

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Speaker 2: to really regain trust in the voters. And yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: going to be tough because I think, like for the

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Speaker 2: Progressives in Canada, it's kind of been convenient for the

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Speaker 2: Liberals to have a minority government because then they need

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Speaker 2: to work with ENDPT.

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Speaker 6: And they've gotten the law accomplished to be fair to

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Speaker 6: Chuck meet Seeing and you know, they're for American listeners,

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Speaker 6: the Social Democratic Party of Canada, they accomplished some great

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Speaker 6: things working in a minority government setting, including a pharmacare program,

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Speaker 6: including a federal feeding program for children, a school lunch program,

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Speaker 6: you know, working on paid family sickly even extending it.

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Speaker 6: So they've done a lot of good in sort of

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Speaker 6: enacting progressive policies. But it's the Liberals who are also

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Speaker 6: equally as good at taking credit for all the things

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Speaker 6: that people have come to really like, such as having

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Speaker 6: dental care for the first time and having cheaper firementcare

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Speaker 6: and stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: Thanks to Lance again for talking with me about the

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Speaker 2: Canadian election. It's time for one more ad break and

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Speaker 2: we'll come back to discuss the future of the Canadian government. Okay,

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Speaker 2: we are back. Let's talk a little bit more about

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Speaker 2: Trump's undue influence in the twenty twenty five Canadian election,

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Speaker 2: because it is a little bit odd for a foreign

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Speaker 2: leader to be exerting this much influence in the votes of,

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Speaker 2: you know, a separate country. Now, this was an election

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Speaker 2: that was previously about liberal stagnation and wanting change in

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Speaker 2: economic policy. This was kind of leading the conservative popular

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Speaker 2: support the past two three years, and very suddenly this

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Speaker 2: whole election changed and it became about to who Canada

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Speaker 2: trusted to oppose Trump and who Canadians wanted to be

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Speaker 2: like the face of Canada in this new global trade

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Speaker 2: war and this fight against a hostile neighbor. And Trump

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Speaker 2: did not help this. On election morning, Trump released a

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Speaker 2: statement basically endorsing himself as the leader of Canada.

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Speaker 4: Oh great, saying quote.

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Speaker 2: Good luck to the great people of Canada. Elect the

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Speaker 2: man who has the strength and wisdom to cut your

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Speaker 2: taxes in half, increase your military power for free to

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Speaker 2: the highest level in the world. Have your car, steel, aluminum, lumber, energy,

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Speaker 2: and all their businesses quadruple in size with the zero

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Speaker 2: tariffs or taxes. If Canada becomes the cherished fifty first

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Speaker 2: state of the United States of America, oh no more.

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Speaker 2: Artificially drawn a line from a many years ago. Look

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Speaker 2: how beautiful this land mass would be. Free access, with

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Speaker 2: no border, all positives, with no negatives. It was meant

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Speaker 2: to be. America can no longer subsidize Canada with hundreds

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Speaker 2: of billions of dollars a year that we've been spending

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Speaker 2: in the past. It makes no sense unless Canada is

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Speaker 2: a state.

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Speaker 4: Man Trump the border appelationist.

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Speaker 2: This is the rhetoric that really produced a liberal victory,

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Speaker 2: and Trump did kind of back off this stuff in

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Speaker 2: the past few weeks, and it's very funny to see

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Speaker 2: him go like full throttle the morning of the election,

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Speaker 2: in case anyone was like on the fence about whether

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Speaker 2: they really was worrying about like Trump. This just this

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Speaker 2: says like such a crazy hell, Mary. And we can

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Speaker 2: see this in some polling stats. On Trump's inauguration day,

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Speaker 2: the Conservatives in Canada were leading forty four point eight

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Speaker 2: percent in the polls compared to the Liberals twenty one

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Speaker 2: point nine percent to end the NDP's seventeen point six

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Speaker 2: But as Liberals searched for a new leader and as

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Speaker 2: Trump took office, the Conservative lead slowly started to slip.

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Speaker 2: The CID began referring to Canada as the fifty first state,

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Speaker 2: called the Prime minister quote unquote governor, and threatened to

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Speaker 2: impose huge tariffs to stop a non existent fentanyl smuggling

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Speaker 2: crisis through the Canadian US border. By April, the Conservative

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Speaker 2: lead had fully flipped over to the Liberals, who rose

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Speaker 2: to forty four percent in the polls, Conservatives falling to

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Speaker 2: thirty seven percent and the NDP around eight point five.

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Speaker 2: And these are pretty close to the final results. This

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Speaker 2: number is very accurate for liberal support. Conservatives got a

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Speaker 2: little bit more than thirty six percent of the vote

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Speaker 2: and NDP got a little bit less than this eight

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Speaker 2: point five. This is according to data from CBC and

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Speaker 2: Abacus this was very much a leader's election, meaning that

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Speaker 2: one of the biggest factors driving votes was who people

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Speaker 2: wanted the prime minister to be, and Mark Carney is

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Speaker 2: much more popular despite being kind of an unknown figure,

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Speaker 2: which kind of actually helps in popularity, Carney's was so

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Speaker 2: much more popular than Polyiev. The past three months, Carney

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Speaker 2: has steadily gained in popularity, getting forty six percent approval,

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Speaker 2: whereas Polyiev has slowly declined in popularity. I talked about

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Speaker 2: this a little bit with Lance, but the degree to

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Speaker 2: which he's aligned himself with this like anti woke, like

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Speaker 2: far right populism rhetoric really bit him in the ass

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Speaker 2: these past few months. He would have done fine against Trudeau, certainly,

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Speaker 2: he was really writing off that like anti incumbent wave,

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Speaker 2: but he is not like a loved figure across Canadian politics,

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Speaker 2: even among some conservatives. The two most important factors driving

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Speaker 2: Canadians vote, according to Abacus, was reducing cost of living

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Speaker 2: and dealing with Donald Trump. Younger voters seem to be

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Speaker 2: more focused on cost of living and changing policy, around

631
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Speaker 2: fifty seven percent of voters eighteen to twenty nine, while

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Speaker 2: older voters around fifty six percent of boomers were more

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Speaker 2: concerned about stopping Trump. The very first topic in the

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Speaker 2: Canadian Prime Minister debate was tariffs and US threats to

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Speaker 2: Canadian sovereignty. This is seen as like a very real

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Speaker 2: issue up there, and like hatred against the US is

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Speaker 2: genuinely growing, like like people are very upset. Canadians are

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Speaker 2: very upset about what Trump and the US has been doing.

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Speaker 2: It's being seen as like a genuine like like intense betrayal.

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Speaker 2: The by Canada movement's been gaining a lot of support

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Speaker 2: with people trying to only purchase Canadian products and this

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Speaker 2: has resulted in a real cultural moment in Canada united

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Speaker 2: against the United States.

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Speaker 4: It's genuinely remarkable. Like the Canada, the US have always

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Speaker 4: had pretty good relations for it. Well not a waste

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Speaker 4: they have.

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Speaker 2: Well ever since that one, that one, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: they thinks they've improved it in and like it's what's remarkable.

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Speaker 4: It seems to be having an effect in Australia as well.

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Speaker 4: And if you've seen that, but like I think I

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Speaker 4: saw an ad the other day that just said Duston

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Speaker 4: wants to make Australia like America, Like straight up you

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Speaker 4: know that this is our Trump and able to align

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Speaker 4: with Trump, Like, yeah, it's incredible.

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Speaker 2: The degree which Trump doing this global trade war has

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Speaker 2: catalyzed negative sentiments around this, like far right populism, glo

657
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Speaker 2: global wave that we've been seeing has really been a

658
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Speaker 2: boon to neoliberal htch enemy the past few ys.

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Speaker 3: You'll see like any I mean obviously, like I take

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Speaker 3: voter interviews in like legacy media with a huge pinch

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Speaker 3: of salt right, it's pretty easy to find someone who

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Speaker 3: wants to say what you want them to say. And often,

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Speaker 3: you know, certainly some of the US voter interviews have

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Speaker 3: just been ridiculous, but like people saying, oh, I just

665
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Speaker 3: want to go back to how it was, Like I

666
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Speaker 3: want to go back to, you know, the things that

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Speaker 3: we're used to. And obviously Trump is training that for

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Speaker 3: a lot of people, and like in a very negative way.

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Speaker 3: And so you and as Garrison said, like the politics

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Speaker 3: of personality is becoming more important, like voting specifically for

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Speaker 3: individuals who they think will have like the negotiating ability

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Speaker 3: or just break or like whatever it is to stand

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Speaker 3: up to Trump.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, And like in Canada, I think it's less

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Speaker 2: personality driven. Like actually Canadians are very against personality politics. Yeah,

676
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Speaker 2: it's more like competency driven. And this is where Carneie

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00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 2: was really able to succeed. It's because he's not a

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Speaker 2: compelling personality, but he is like a professional and that

679
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 2: is why he was elected. Carneie helped Canada whether the

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Speaker 2: two US and eight financial collapse better than almost any

681
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Speaker 2: other Western nation. He is genuinely good at his job

682
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Speaker 2: of being like a neoliberal like bank economy guy, and

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Speaker 2: specifically with these tariffs. This is the guy that you

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Speaker 2: want to handle this global trade crisis because this is

685
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Speaker 2: like what he has done his entire life. He's never

686
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Speaker 2: been elected to office before. He is just an economy guy.

687
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Speaker 2: And we saw this in like head to head matchups

688
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 2: with Carnie versus Polier rating certain things like finding common

689
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Speaker 2: ground to solve a dispute, where carne was twelve points

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00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 2: ahead adding up to a bully Carney's eight points ahead.

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00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 2: Managing household expenses Carney six points ahead. Sitting beside you

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Speaker 2: on a long airplane flight Carneie six points ahead. Captaining

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Speaker 2: a ship through a rough storm Carneie five points ahead.

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Speaker 4: That's what you need. You need a seafarer only five

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Speaker 4: ahead on seafaring.

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Speaker 2: Hosting the best party Carney one point ahead, and we'll see.

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Speaker 4: This is reminiscent of that, Like was it like Tim

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Speaker 4: the plumber shit from like the bush pail in election?

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Speaker 4: Like the people I would want to have a beer with.

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Speaker 2: Well, this is the funny thing is is the concerns

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Speaker 2: are still better in like those types of like physical

702
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Speaker 2: things like putting out a kitchen fire, polyb is up

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Speaker 2: to and putting up a shelf. Polyv's up six. There's

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Speaker 2: the only two one speasured where the conservative candidate edged

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Speaker 2: out the liberals is putting out a kitchen fire and

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Speaker 2: putting up a shelf. But all other things like solving disputes,

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00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 2: standing up to bullies, managing like expenses like household expenses.

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Speaker 2: Carnee Carney came out. I'm going to read a few

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Speaker 2: lines from Carnee's celebration acceptance speech here, and I'm just

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Speaker 2: gonna read them and not play clips because he blends

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Speaker 2: English and French and that's going to be annoying. No

712
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 2: offense to our French speakers out there. Yeah, Garrison, it's

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Speaker 2: gonna be annoying to play for a podcast. It's not

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Speaker 2: gonna do for the kbra Qua crowd quote. America wants

715
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 2: our land, our resources, our water, our country. These are

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Speaker 2: not idle threats. President Trump is trying to break us,

717
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 2: so America can own us. That will never happen. We

718
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Speaker 2: are once again at one of those hinge moments of history.

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Speaker 2: Our old relationship with the United States, relationship based on

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Speaker 2: steadily increasing integration, is over. The system of open global

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Speaker 2: trade anchored by the United States, a system that Canada

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Speaker 2: has relied on since the Second World War, a system that,

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Speaker 2: while not perfect, has helped deliver prosperity for a country

724
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Speaker 2: for decades, is over. But it is also our new reality.

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Speaker 2: We are over the shock of the American betrayal, but

726
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Speaker 2: we should never forget the lessons. We have to look

727
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 2: out for ourselves and above all, we have to take

728
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 2: care of each other. When I sit down with President Trump,

729
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,760
Speaker 2: it will be to discuss the future economic and security

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Speaker 2: relationship between two sovereign nations, and it will be with

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Speaker 2: our full knowledge that we have many, many other options

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Speaker 2: than the United States to build prosperity for all Canadians.

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Speaker 2: We will strengthen our relations with reliable partners in Europe,

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Speaker 2: Asia and elsewhere. And if the United States no longer

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Speaker 2: wants to be in the forefront of the global economy.

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Speaker 2: Canada will unquote and yeah, this is the type of

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Speaker 2: rhetoric that's going to be I think successful in Canada

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Speaker 2: right now and probably in the next few decades. Is

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Speaker 2: Canada is going to try to take the spot that

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Speaker 2: America used to hold as like the center of like

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Speaker 2: global power, especially with climate change, with you know, crop

742
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Speaker 2: crops slowly slowly needed to be moved north. I think

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Speaker 2: as as as global warm progresses, Canada is in a

744
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Speaker 2: spot to be like a new emergent like world power.

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Speaker 2: And with the degree to which America is just kind

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Speaker 2: of giving up that role under Trump, remarkable, someone like

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Speaker 2: Carney is very interested in in gaining that degree of superiority.

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Speaker 2: Now I'm gonna I'm gonna read a few comments from

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Speaker 2: our listeners who I asked to send over their thoughts

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Speaker 2: on the Canadian election. And yes, this is a limited sample,

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Speaker 2: sask It's based on the politics of people who listen

752
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 2: to this show. But I still think there's some interesting

753
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 2: points here outlining what's happened in this election. Quote Mark

754
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Speaker 2: Karney might not be far enough left for my tastes,

755
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Speaker 2: but he immediately made gas cheaper, a tangible improvement for

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Speaker 2: my brokeass, and with the way he's been pulling, I'm

757
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,959
Speaker 2: settling on voting for him to keep the Conservatives out

758
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 2: with their stated anti woke agenda parenthesis bigoted. Not like

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Speaker 2: I have much choice. I would have loved to be

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Speaker 2: picking here about my vote, but I don't feel confident

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Speaker 2: in the NDP or the Greens to come out on

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Speaker 2: top of the cons Another person said, quote, I can't

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Speaker 2: believe the country seems to be rallying around a neoliberal

764
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Speaker 2: central banker in the face of American fascism, But our

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Speaker 2: resentment to the US seems to kind of override all

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Speaker 2: other political considerations. So much of the way this election

767
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Speaker 2: is panning out is a display of our culture's profound

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Speaker 2: inability to take necessary risks. We're running scared to the

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Speaker 2: serious administrator, man in the blind hope things will be

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Speaker 2: safe and normal again. When he fails, will take a

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Speaker 2: late and stupid risk again. Unquote. And this is something

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Speaker 2: I've seen other people express, is like with this kind

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Speaker 2: of Obama esque, you know, serious man in charge, this

774
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 2: like return of neoliberalism. Will this just set the stage

775
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Speaker 2: for like the material conditions for someone like Trump to

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Speaker 2: emerge in the next ten years. This is a fear

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00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 2: that I've seen people express. I don't think it is

778
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 2: an inevitability, because this is not America in twenty twelve

779
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 2: or twenty sixteen. This is Canada in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: The world is different, but I can understand this fear. Lastly,

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Speaker 2: I'll read one other comment or from Blue Sky quote.

782
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 2: I understand the drive to keep the Conservative Party out

783
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 2: of office, but I'm also terrified of what the Liberal

784
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,439
Speaker 2: Party will do to this country if they can keep

785
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 2: campaigning on that very basis in perpetuity. It's good that

786
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 2: we will probably avoid the worst. It's terrible that progress

787
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,280
Speaker 2: is on hold until the Conservative Party is no longer

788
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 2: a contender, which could take decades. I also do not

789
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 2: expect the Liberal Party to meaningfully change the conditions that

790
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 2: are pushing voters towards reactionary politics. To be again with

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Speaker 2: unquote so kind of a similar sentiment there. I think

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Speaker 2: that the role for progressives in Canada right now is

793
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 2: either to rebuild the NDP or infiltrate the Liberals, probably

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00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 2: rebuilding NDP in most cases because they are going to

795
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 2: have to have new leadership and seriously reevaluate their strategies

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Speaker 2: going forward. James Any notes here, I guess, yeah, I.

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Speaker 4: Think like I guess kind of to echo what a

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Speaker 4: lot of those people said, Like in the US, we

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Speaker 4: had Biden for four years, right, essentially because he was

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Speaker 4: elected on not being Trump, and he was able to

801
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Speaker 4: get away well, he thought he could get away with

802
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 4: more than he actually was able to get away with

803
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 4: as it turns out, electorally. But like we were admonished

804
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 4: to vote for the person who wasn't Trump, right, and

805
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 4: what we got is open air detention for migrants. What

806
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 4: we got is inflation, and what we got is a

807
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 4: genocide in Gaza, right. And this fear that a lot

808
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 4: of other nations in the global north right, like these

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Speaker 4: liberal economies are feeling, is going to lead to lots

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Speaker 4: of that, like, yes, we need a serious man like

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Speaker 4: we needed, we need a statesman to stand up to Trump,

812
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Speaker 4: and that's going to reinforce a lot of that neoliberal orthodoxy,

813
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Speaker 4: and that's going to make it very hard to make

814
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Speaker 4: any meaningful progress to electoral politics in those countries for

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Speaker 4: the next few years, which sucks.

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Speaker 2: I think this is why some people are excited about

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Speaker 2: the minority government, although it is less stable. Yeah, they

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Speaker 2: could be swayed by some more of the progressive agendas

819
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,280
Speaker 2: from the NDP because they'll need an NDPU or block

820
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Speaker 2: cooperation to run the government.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they can't do a by the date which like

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Speaker 4: I mean.

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Speaker 2: Also like Carney isn't Biden like and in the Canadian

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Speaker 2: Liberal Party is is not necessarily the like American Democratic Party.

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Speaker 2: Like that, they're they're different. Stuff on Gaza is different,

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Speaker 2: like that the Canadian Liberals have have restricted arms, arms

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Speaker 2: trades and arms deals to Israel the past year. Carney

828
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Speaker 2: is not thrown trans people under the bus the same

829
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Speaker 2: way some Democrats have the past year. Like these are

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Speaker 2: these are different people. I think, you know, Canada is

831
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 2: a different country than the United States. And I think

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00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 2: what we can see here is that this Canadian election,

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Speaker 2: although it was close, it still was a rejection of

834
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Speaker 2: Trump's style polities. Most Canadians do not want Canada to

835
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:48,760
Speaker 2: go the way of America. There's there's been a subset

836
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Speaker 2: of Canadians, especially in Alberta and and and Saskatchewan, who

837
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 2: have been trying to push for this like mega style

838
00:44:55,640 --> 00:45:00,320
Speaker 2: like Canada first rhetoric and and this was denied I

839
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:04,280
Speaker 2: think you were seeing more support for conservatives under Doug Ford.

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Speaker 2: With this more like moderate conservatism. I think that's something

841
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 2: to like watch out for more. But like this, this

842
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 2: Trump style of politics was was rejected across the country

843
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 2: and and Carney was able to figure out a way

844
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 2: to make people trust him to be a genuine like

845
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,919
Speaker 2: combatant against against Trump and and usher in a new

846
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Speaker 2: a new golden age of neoliberal trade in the face

847
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Speaker 2: of Trump's Trump's chaotic and and anti market sentiments.

848
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Speaker 3: Hopefully it does put an end to like this, this

849
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Speaker 3: tendency among liberals, especially in the US but also in

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Speaker 3: the UK, to like feel that they need to engage

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Speaker 3: on right wing culture war talking points and like I

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Speaker 3: guess quote unquote give some ground, Like we've seen that

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Speaker 3: in the UK right with like really transfer big ship

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Speaker 3: commit at a labor party, and like I would hope

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Speaker 3: that like people can see where this leads to and

856
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Speaker 3: that they're not going to vote for liberals who go

857
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Speaker 3: throw trans people under the bus and like that that

858
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Speaker 3: will be like a deciding factor in their support.

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Speaker 4: But I guess that's just my hope right now. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, and frankly, you know, a better liberal party or

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Speaker 2: a liberal NDP coalition would would be would be willing

862
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Speaker 2: to engage with the idea of like taking trans refugees

863
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 2: from these extremely hostile countries, which is just something they've

864
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 2: they've not like, you know, publicly talked about. But as

865
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Speaker 2: as things get worse in the States, we will, we

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Speaker 2: will see. So yeah, but that is what I have

867
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Speaker 2: to say as a as a Canadian who lives in

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Speaker 2: the United States. My thoughts on the Canadian election, you know,

869
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Speaker 2: it could have been worse. Is it is odd to

870
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Speaker 2: see Canada almost accidentally replicate America's two party system. So

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Speaker 2: even if this was a rejection of Trump style politics,

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Speaker 2: this this this climate of fear did result in replicating

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Speaker 2: America's two party system, which is kind of interesting the

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Speaker 2: amount of which, like the third parties lost support, with

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Speaker 2: support going just towards conservatives and liberals. That is, you know,

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Speaker 2: one of the big stories of this election. The the

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Speaker 2: NDP blowout one of the big stories and pauliev losing

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Speaker 2: very least a nice cherry on top for this for

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Speaker 2: this election.

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