WEBVTT - Buck Brief - Delta Operator Jeff Tiegs

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, everybody, Welcome to the Buck Brief. On this episode,

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<v Speaker 2>Jeff Tigues is with us. Jeff anchored his life as

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<v Speaker 2>a man of warfare and a man of God. He

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<v Speaker 2>is a Special Operations Army commander now retired. He joined

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<v Speaker 2>the first Ranger Battalion at age eighteen, retired as a

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<v Speaker 2>Delta Force lieutenant colonel, and he has a book out

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<v Speaker 2>Where Have All the Heroes Gone? Jeff? First of all,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just passed veterans. David, thank you for your service,

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<v Speaker 2>incredible service that you gave to the country. Tell us

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<v Speaker 2>if you will, what is Where have all the Heroes Gone?

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<v Speaker 2>Tell us about this book?

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<v Speaker 1>So, Buck, it's my journey of faith and how I

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<v Speaker 1>anchored the faith of my youth as I grew into

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<v Speaker 1>a man, and how I was able to find comfort

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<v Speaker 1>in the heroes and the legends of the men and

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<v Speaker 1>women that that really motivated me. And it really began

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<v Speaker 1>this pursuit when I lived in Israel and was able

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<v Speaker 1>to walk the terrain and look at these battlefields and

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<v Speaker 1>look at these locations through a soldier's eyes, and it

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<v Speaker 1>became my own personal journaling and investigation into the stories

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<v Speaker 1>that we know, or that we think we know, or

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<v Speaker 1>that we have forgotten over time. And that's really what

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<v Speaker 1>the book was initially. And then I started to relate

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<v Speaker 1>some of my own military stories and it almost became

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<v Speaker 1>kind of cathartic to look at the things that I

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<v Speaker 1>had read about since I was a child into a

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<v Speaker 1>manhood and how they actually impacted my experiences as a

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<v Speaker 1>combat soldier. So the book flips between Bible stories, things

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<v Speaker 1>you might not know that are unique and interesting and

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<v Speaker 1>fascinating about those stories, and then my stories as a

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<v Speaker 1>ranger Special Forces, then ultimately Delta in the battlefields that

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<v Speaker 1>we've been on over the last twenty twenty five.

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<v Speaker 2>Years, What can you tell us about when you're going

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<v Speaker 2>back and thinking about it, and as I'm sure you've

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<v Speaker 2>you've gone and spent a lot of time in reflection

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<v Speaker 2>on your serves the country the first time, Jeff, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean you were you were in Delta Force. You're a

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<v Speaker 2>Delta Force commander. I mean people hear that, and there's

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<v Speaker 2>automatically a sense of just respect and honestly awe at

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<v Speaker 2>that accomplishment. I mean, to be at that level of

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<v Speaker 2>elite military capability. People hear that and they pay attention.

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<v Speaker 2>First time you were in combat? What was What was

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<v Speaker 2>that like? I mean psychologically and emotionally.

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<v Speaker 1>So this book started as a personal journey looking at

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<v Speaker 1>these stories and trying to dig deeper. When I spent

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<v Speaker 1>some time in Israel and walked the terrain and I

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<v Speaker 1>was looking at these battlefields and where these stories happened,

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<v Speaker 1>and looking at them through a soldier's eyes and a

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<v Speaker 1>soldier's lens, I began to see some things that were

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<v Speaker 1>inconsistent or things that we had lost over time. So

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<v Speaker 1>it became a personal journey of faith. And then as

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<v Speaker 1>I was writing the book and looking at these different stories, worries,

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<v Speaker 1>and the deeper meanings and hidden patterns behind them, I

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<v Speaker 1>started to relay them to my own experiences as a

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<v Speaker 1>combat soldier. So the book lays out Bible stories that

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people are familiar with, some of these

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<v Speaker 1>hidden legends and traditions that have been lost to time,

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<v Speaker 1>and then it jumps into a story on how it

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<v Speaker 1>relates to me. And we're talking about some of these

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<v Speaker 1>big things like identity and betrayal and courage and passion

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<v Speaker 1>and love and loss, and it really became a cathartic

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<v Speaker 1>experience for me and really something I wanted to share

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<v Speaker 1>with other people on a faith tradition. And then, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we still have many veterans that are feeling lost and

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<v Speaker 1>disconnected after their time and service, and I'm hoping that

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<v Speaker 1>this can help them maybe find a way back home

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<v Speaker 1>to a passion and purpose and you know, either through

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<v Speaker 1>faith or through reigniting, just things that they have picked

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<v Speaker 1>up along the way as well.

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<v Speaker 2>And Jeff, you mention and write about some of the

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<v Speaker 2>historical heroes, biblical historical heroes and warriors.

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<v Speaker 1>What makes you know?

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<v Speaker 2>What are the characteristics because you're a Delta Force commando

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<v Speaker 2>of a great Delta Force warrior, because that's what they are. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>what are the psychological traits and what is the skill

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<v Speaker 2>set for somebody to be an operator of the first

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<v Speaker 2>class at that level?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I think they would be the things people expect, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Like you have to be physically fit, you have to

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<v Speaker 1>be strong, you have to be courageous. U do you

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<v Speaker 1>have to have honor? But I think what is counterintuitive

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<v Speaker 1>to many people is a level of humility that is

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<v Speaker 1>required and a really solid understanding of followers. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>someday I'd like to write a book or study followership.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we study leadership, but followership is huge. And

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<v Speaker 1>there's a story in the Bible. I don't even remember

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<v Speaker 1>if I touch upon it. I think I do in

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<v Speaker 1>the book where David says just kind of in passing

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<v Speaker 1>that he longs for the water from the well of

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<v Speaker 1>his youth in Bethlehem, and his mighty men risk lives

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<v Speaker 1>to go get him a sip of water, and they

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<v Speaker 1>bring it to him and he throws it on the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>He refuses to drink it because he understands how what

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<v Speaker 1>he says is so important, and he's built this trust

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<v Speaker 1>and confidence with these men that he really has to

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<v Speaker 1>be be careful about what he's doing as a leader.

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<v Speaker 1>And the men and women that I have followed understood

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<v Speaker 1>that they understood that they were servant leaders. They weren't

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<v Speaker 1>in charge of things like some pinnacle on the top,

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<v Speaker 1>but they were supporting every single person. And that's a

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<v Speaker 1>heavy responsibility to carry and one that I've always cherished

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<v Speaker 1>and look look forward to in every opportunity that I get.

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<v Speaker 2>Now for a man of a man of God and

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<v Speaker 2>a man of warfare. People don't generally these days think

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<v Speaker 2>of those two things as going together. I know, obviously

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<v Speaker 2>they can, and you're writing about some of that in

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<v Speaker 2>the book and in the biblical context as well. But

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<v Speaker 2>how do you when someone asks you that, If someone says,

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<v Speaker 2>wait a second, you're a man of God, but you're

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<v Speaker 2>a man of war, a man of warfare, or a warrior,

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<v Speaker 2>how do those two things go together reinforce each other.

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<v Speaker 2>Are there any conflicts that come up that you have

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<v Speaker 2>to pray to have a better understanding.

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<v Speaker 1>Of Yeah, I don't think so. I think there is

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<v Speaker 1>a righteous utility of war. I'll be quite honest with you, Buck.

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<v Speaker 1>When I was over in Afghanistan and Iraq, I definitely

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<v Speaker 1>gravitated more towards the Old Testament. I almost I almost

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<v Speaker 1>could relate to the Old Testament God and the and

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<v Speaker 1>the the instructions that were given to wage war with

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<v Speaker 1>without mercy, you know. So I did a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>Old Testament reading, you know, and then when you jump

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<v Speaker 1>into the New Testament and you and you hear about

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<v Speaker 1>Yeshua and how he's looking for peace and there's a

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<v Speaker 1>time for everything right and what we know as believers

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<v Speaker 1>is how this ends. This ends with war again. So

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<v Speaker 1>we have this old Testament that's just littered with war,

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<v Speaker 1>and then we've got the new Covenant with Yeshua and

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<v Speaker 1>this time that we're in that's supposed to be of

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<v Speaker 1>peace and finding this this shalom throughout the war world,

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<v Speaker 1>but all of it ends again in warfare. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think the important thing is is really understanding your enemy.

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<v Speaker 1>I never had hate, I never had anger towards my enemy.

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<v Speaker 1>I recognized that we were pitted on both sides of

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<v Speaker 1>a conflict, and they were doing what they believed in

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<v Speaker 1>and we were doing what we believed in. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>never been really something I've struggled with. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>also people would be surprised in Special operations. There is

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<v Speaker 1>definitely a majority of believers in the Rangers and in

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<v Speaker 1>special Forces, in in Delta Force that I think people

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<v Speaker 1>would recognize. Which makes sense. If you believe in the country,

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<v Speaker 1>and you believe in honor, and you believe in integrity,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're willing to put yourself under ethical and moral

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<v Speaker 1>legal rules of organizations, it only stands to reason it's

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<v Speaker 1>something you're already used to uncomfortable with Mike.

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<v Speaker 2>so your Special Forces or Delta Force Command or same

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<v Speaker 2>thing or you know both both things are true. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if you saw this, but there is a

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<v Speaker 2>recent pull out that says a majority of American adults

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<v Speaker 2>would not be willing to serve in the military even

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<v Speaker 2>if the US were to enter a major war. What

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<v Speaker 2>is going on here with the morale of the American

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<v Speaker 2>people and the willingness outside of military ranks to consider

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<v Speaker 2>service to the country if the country were directly threatened

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<v Speaker 2>in a major war?

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<v Speaker 1>Buck, I have not seen that report, and I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if I believe it. So here is something that

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<v Speaker 1>I remember. So I was a young ranger. It came

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<v Speaker 1>in the military in nineteen eighty seven, and we didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have war. You know, we wanted war. Be careful what

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<v Speaker 1>you asked for, right, Well, I think it was back

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<v Speaker 1>in probably about two thousand and seven when we were

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<v Speaker 1>in Iraq and I got in the back of a

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<v Speaker 1>vehicle and there were a bunch of young range in

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<v Speaker 1>this vehicle with me. I was an adult Force opera

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<v Speaker 1>at that time, and I looked across at these young

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<v Speaker 1>men and I marveled at the fact that they knew

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<v Speaker 1>out of high school that they were joining the military,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were going to go into two very unpopular

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<v Speaker 1>wars already by two thousand and seven, two thousand and eight,

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<v Speaker 1>wars that many of us knew we weren't going to win.

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<v Speaker 1>We just didn't have the national will to win those wars.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if these young men recognize that or not,

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<v Speaker 1>but I was awe struck on the fact that a

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<v Speaker 1>year year and a half earlier, they were still in

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<v Speaker 1>high school right they were playing football, they were going

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<v Speaker 1>to homecoming games, and they joined to defend America and

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<v Speaker 1>go to these conflicts overseas, things that seem to be

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<v Speaker 1>hugely unpopular. So I would challenge all of that. I

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<v Speaker 1>think there are many of patriots. I have two sons,

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<v Speaker 1>they're twenty six and twenty three. They are not soldiers.

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<v Speaker 1>They're entrepreneurs and artists that we've created that space out

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of my life as a soldier. But I

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<v Speaker 1>can guarant to you if they were needed and called upon,

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<v Speaker 1>they would answer that call along with many of their friends.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think we're doing way too much advertising and

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<v Speaker 1>promoting of the people that don't believe in these old

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<v Speaker 1>traditional values that we do. And I think there are

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<v Speaker 1>plenty of young men and women and I have to

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<v Speaker 1>go back and look at that report that you mentioned.

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<v Speaker 1>You said adults, So I wonder what those ages were.

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<v Speaker 1>I've almost lost hope for, you know, people, our age,

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<v Speaker 1>But I still have hope for these young men and

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<v Speaker 1>women in their twenties that have been left with so little,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're going back to I think some of these traditions.

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<v Speaker 1>You're beginning to see them go back to church and

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<v Speaker 1>go back to faith, and they're trying to put their

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<v Speaker 1>confidence in some of these things that we've kind of

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<v Speaker 1>broken apart for them.

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<v Speaker 2>What is your sense of the criticisms that have been

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<v Speaker 2>leveled against a lot of the four stars, if you will,

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<v Speaker 2>the top military brass, the Secretary of Defense for the

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<v Speaker 2>social engineering that has gone on with the military. Does

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<v Speaker 2>that concern you? Do you think that's overhyped? How do

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<v Speaker 2>you view that?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I would take that and pile on some things buck.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the I think our general leadership, our natural leadership,

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<v Speaker 1>both at the political level and military level, need to

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<v Speaker 1>be held accountable for the things that they're responsible for.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, when you look at Iraq and Afghanistan, I

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't responsible for winning the wars. The guys that I

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<v Speaker 1>worked with weren't responsible. We were responsible for winning battles,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's what we did. And Americans won every single

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<v Speaker 1>battle that they've been involved with, but our politicians and

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<v Speaker 1>our higher generals lost those wars. So I find it

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<v Speaker 1>kind of ironic that these men that failed to win

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<v Speaker 1>wars that they were tasked with winning are now in

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<v Speaker 1>high level positions and making money and consultants and that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of thing. So we really need to understand what

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<v Speaker 1>that relationship is between politics and military. We need to

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<v Speaker 1>understand almost back to this close the Witzy idea that

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<v Speaker 1>warfare is an extension of politics, but it's not politics,

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<v Speaker 1>and warfare in combat and winning on the battlefield is

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<v Speaker 1>still an essential part of the way the world works.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just like we're looking at now with Israel. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>we're trying to influence Israel to have some sort of

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<v Speaker 1>velvet glove approach in Gaza after they were brutally, brutally attacked.

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<v Speaker 1>So the other day, a couple of weeks ago, I

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<v Speaker 1>was at the New Army Museum in Virginia and I

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<v Speaker 1>was walking through it and we were celebrating the American Army,

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<v Speaker 1>the American military through all of these wars, and we

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<v Speaker 1>were brutal. I mean, we won these wars because we

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<v Speaker 1>were brutal and we outward our enemy. And then you

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<v Speaker 1>get to Desert Storm, and then you get to the

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<v Speaker 1>Iraq War, and you get to Afghanistan, and we suddenly

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<v Speaker 1>stopped aging warfare. Now, it happened in Vietnam as well,

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<v Speaker 1>so I guess that was the pivot. Warfare is an

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<v Speaker 1>essential part of peace. It's an essential part of keeping

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<v Speaker 1>the world stable. But we've watered it down and we've

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<v Speaker 1>created these wars that aren't really wars. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>we either need to decide you're going to go into

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<v Speaker 1>a war and win it or you're going to stay

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<v Speaker 1>out of it. And this little tiptoe dance that we've

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<v Speaker 1>been doing since Vietnam is just not healthy for anybody.

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<v Speaker 2>Jeff, I want to ask you to tell us where

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<v Speaker 2>we can get the book and a few more things

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<v Speaker 2>here in just a second.

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<v Speaker 1>But first up.

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<v Speaker 2>Earlier this year, an event thirty years the making took

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<v Speaker 2>place involved my dad, Mason Sexton, who famously called the

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty seven stock market crash. He went live with

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<v Speaker 2>his first major public prediction in decades. He warned the

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<v Speaker 2>top was in and revealed his unique framework to take

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<v Speaker 2>advantage of the falling market that would follow right on

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<v Speaker 2>que The market peaked exactly when he said it would.

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<v Speaker 2>Those who listened to his unusual prediction, what some called

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<v Speaker 2>his prophecy, were richly rewarded. But now my dad is

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<v Speaker 2>Paradigm Research. Jeff. Tell everyone again about the book and

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<v Speaker 2>why you think this is something that a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>the folks at home would really would really get a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of value from reading.

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<v Speaker 1>So the book is called Where Have All the Heroes Gone?

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<v Speaker 1>A pilgrimage through the Bible, the battlefield and back home again,

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<v Speaker 1>And everything about it is encapsulated in that title. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a pilgrimage, and I think it's a highly unique book

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<v Speaker 1>that blends a spiritual journey. It looks at legends and

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<v Speaker 1>traditions of old ancient scripture and then very very unique

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<v Speaker 1>experiences that I've had from Panama as a young corporal

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<v Speaker 1>that invasion in nineteen eighty nine. I'm hoping that people

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<v Speaker 1>are finding a new inspiration to relook some of these

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<v Speaker 1>old traditions, some of this old scripture. I've definitely written

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<v Speaker 1>it for veterans, and maybe some of the things that

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<v Speaker 1>I talk about and share they can identify with some

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<v Speaker 1>of those frustrations we've had, some of those goals. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's just some really candid talk as well about

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<v Speaker 1>things that Special Operations Forces and me specifically have endured

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<v Speaker 1>over the last you know, a couple decades. You know

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<v Speaker 1>it kind of I find it kind of ironic again, Buck,

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<v Speaker 1>where people are very upset about the tactics that Hamas

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<v Speaker 1>is using in Gaza right now, and I'm sitting here

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<v Speaker 1>going does nobody know that that's what's been happening in

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<v Speaker 1>Iraq and Afghanistan for twenty years. The suicide bombers and

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<v Speaker 1>the tunnels and hiding behind children, you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Those are things that we've been overlooking. And I tell

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<v Speaker 1>those stories. I tell the story of fronting a man

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<v Speaker 1>who had a baby in his arms and a knife

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<v Speaker 1>across the child's throat, threatening me that I needed to

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<v Speaker 1>let him go. You know. I talk about these things,

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<v Speaker 1>and again, I think it was some healing for myself.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope it brings some healing for our other fellow veterans.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think it's a fascinating blend for folks that

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<v Speaker 1>aren't that familiar with the Bible or the Bible stories,

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<v Speaker 1>or even if they are, there are some things in

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<v Speaker 1>there that have really been lost to time. You can

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<v Speaker 1>find the book on Amazon. It's a Kindle version. There

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<v Speaker 1>is the cover version. There's some delay with the audio.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure why the audio isn't out yet, but

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<v Speaker 1>the audio is complete and it's my voice, so it'll

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<v Speaker 1>be a familiar voice. And that was an interesting experience

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<v Speaker 1>as well, not only writing the book but reading aloud

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<v Speaker 1>for the audio. It also was all part of this

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<v Speaker 1>journey that I really feel is some closure for me

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<v Speaker 1>that I hope it will bring to some other people,

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<v Speaker 1>either those that have been burned by the faith or

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<v Speaker 1>have lost their passion for it, and those veterans also

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<v Speaker 1>that are really looking for a new passion and purpose

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<v Speaker 1>in life.

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<v Speaker 2>Where have all the heroes gone?

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<v Speaker 1>Book?

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<v Speaker 2>Go get your copy. Jeff Tigs a hero, a humble man,

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<v Speaker 2>a badass, a man of God. Appreciate you being here, sir.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks Bot, Thanks for having me. Really appreciate it.