1 00:00:11,697 --> 00:00:14,777 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Buck Sexton Show podcast. Let make 2 00:00:14,777 --> 00:00:17,697 Speaker 1: sure you subscribe to the podcast on the iHeartRadio app 3 00:00:17,897 --> 00:00:19,737 Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts. 4 00:00:20,217 --> 00:00:22,617 Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, Welcome to the Buck Brief. On this episode, 5 00:00:22,737 --> 00:00:26,857 Speaker 2: Jeff Tigues is with us. Jeff anchored his life as 6 00:00:27,177 --> 00:00:30,977 Speaker 2: a man of warfare and a man of God. He 7 00:00:31,057 --> 00:00:34,457 Speaker 2: is a Special Operations Army commander now retired. He joined 8 00:00:34,457 --> 00:00:37,297 Speaker 2: the first Ranger Battalion at age eighteen, retired as a 9 00:00:37,337 --> 00:00:41,057 Speaker 2: Delta Force lieutenant colonel, and he has a book out 10 00:00:41,097 --> 00:00:44,337 Speaker 2: Where Have All the Heroes Gone? Jeff? First of all, 11 00:00:44,377 --> 00:00:47,417 Speaker 2: it's just passed veterans. David, thank you for your service, 12 00:00:47,857 --> 00:00:51,377 Speaker 2: incredible service that you gave to the country. Tell us 13 00:00:51,417 --> 00:00:54,417 Speaker 2: if you will, what is Where have all the Heroes Gone? 14 00:00:54,457 --> 00:00:55,377 Speaker 2: Tell us about this book? 15 00:00:57,217 --> 00:01:00,817 Speaker 1: So, Buck, it's my journey of faith and how I 16 00:01:00,857 --> 00:01:03,657 Speaker 1: anchored the faith of my youth as I grew into 17 00:01:03,697 --> 00:01:06,697 Speaker 1: a man, and how I was able to find comfort 18 00:01:06,777 --> 00:01:09,497 Speaker 1: in the heroes and the legends of the men and 19 00:01:09,537 --> 00:01:12,577 Speaker 1: women that that really motivated me. And it really began 20 00:01:12,697 --> 00:01:15,337 Speaker 1: this pursuit when I lived in Israel and was able 21 00:01:15,337 --> 00:01:18,737 Speaker 1: to walk the terrain and look at these battlefields and 22 00:01:18,777 --> 00:01:21,657 Speaker 1: look at these locations through a soldier's eyes, and it 23 00:01:21,697 --> 00:01:26,537 Speaker 1: became my own personal journaling and investigation into the stories 24 00:01:26,537 --> 00:01:28,337 Speaker 1: that we know, or that we think we know, or 25 00:01:28,337 --> 00:01:31,337 Speaker 1: that we have forgotten over time. And that's really what 26 00:01:31,417 --> 00:01:34,257 Speaker 1: the book was initially. And then I started to relate 27 00:01:34,297 --> 00:01:37,457 Speaker 1: some of my own military stories and it almost became 28 00:01:37,577 --> 00:01:39,857 Speaker 1: kind of cathartic to look at the things that I 29 00:01:39,897 --> 00:01:42,297 Speaker 1: had read about since I was a child into a 30 00:01:42,297 --> 00:01:46,697 Speaker 1: manhood and how they actually impacted my experiences as a 31 00:01:46,737 --> 00:01:51,217 Speaker 1: combat soldier. So the book flips between Bible stories, things 32 00:01:51,257 --> 00:01:53,817 Speaker 1: you might not know that are unique and interesting and 33 00:01:53,897 --> 00:01:57,537 Speaker 1: fascinating about those stories, and then my stories as a 34 00:01:57,857 --> 00:02:01,697 Speaker 1: ranger Special Forces, then ultimately Delta in the battlefields that 35 00:02:01,697 --> 00:02:03,817 Speaker 1: we've been on over the last twenty twenty five. 36 00:02:03,737 --> 00:02:08,617 Speaker 2: Years, What can you tell us about when you're going 37 00:02:08,657 --> 00:02:12,017 Speaker 2: back and thinking about it, and as I'm sure you've 38 00:02:12,137 --> 00:02:14,817 Speaker 2: you've gone and spent a lot of time in reflection 39 00:02:15,137 --> 00:02:17,857 Speaker 2: on your serves the country the first time, Jeff, I 40 00:02:17,817 --> 00:02:19,177 Speaker 2: mean you were you were in Delta Force. You're a 41 00:02:19,177 --> 00:02:21,817 Speaker 2: Delta Force commander. I mean people hear that, and there's 42 00:02:21,857 --> 00:02:25,897 Speaker 2: automatically a sense of just respect and honestly awe at 43 00:02:26,257 --> 00:02:29,017 Speaker 2: that accomplishment. I mean, to be at that level of 44 00:02:29,977 --> 00:02:36,137 Speaker 2: elite military capability. People hear that and they pay attention. 45 00:02:36,897 --> 00:02:39,857 Speaker 2: First time you were in combat? What was What was 46 00:02:39,857 --> 00:02:41,897 Speaker 2: that like? I mean psychologically and emotionally. 47 00:02:41,937 --> 00:02:45,857 Speaker 1: So this book started as a personal journey looking at 48 00:02:46,257 --> 00:02:49,217 Speaker 1: these stories and trying to dig deeper. When I spent 49 00:02:49,297 --> 00:02:51,897 Speaker 1: some time in Israel and walked the terrain and I 50 00:02:51,977 --> 00:02:54,897 Speaker 1: was looking at these battlefields and where these stories happened, 51 00:02:55,217 --> 00:02:57,537 Speaker 1: and looking at them through a soldier's eyes and a 52 00:02:57,617 --> 00:03:00,457 Speaker 1: soldier's lens, I began to see some things that were 53 00:03:00,457 --> 00:03:03,737 Speaker 1: inconsistent or things that we had lost over time. So 54 00:03:03,777 --> 00:03:07,297 Speaker 1: it became a personal journey of faith. And then as 55 00:03:07,377 --> 00:03:10,457 Speaker 1: I was writing the book and looking at these different stories, worries, 56 00:03:10,537 --> 00:03:14,137 Speaker 1: and the deeper meanings and hidden patterns behind them, I 57 00:03:14,177 --> 00:03:17,017 Speaker 1: started to relay them to my own experiences as a 58 00:03:17,057 --> 00:03:21,457 Speaker 1: combat soldier. So the book lays out Bible stories that 59 00:03:21,497 --> 00:03:23,617 Speaker 1: a lot of people are familiar with, some of these 60 00:03:23,737 --> 00:03:26,497 Speaker 1: hidden legends and traditions that have been lost to time, 61 00:03:27,017 --> 00:03:28,977 Speaker 1: and then it jumps into a story on how it 62 00:03:29,017 --> 00:03:30,857 Speaker 1: relates to me. And we're talking about some of these 63 00:03:30,937 --> 00:03:35,217 Speaker 1: big things like identity and betrayal and courage and passion 64 00:03:35,297 --> 00:03:38,337 Speaker 1: and love and loss, and it really became a cathartic 65 00:03:38,457 --> 00:03:41,577 Speaker 1: experience for me and really something I wanted to share 66 00:03:41,937 --> 00:03:44,577 Speaker 1: with other people on a faith tradition. And then, you know, 67 00:03:44,617 --> 00:03:48,097 Speaker 1: we still have many veterans that are feeling lost and 68 00:03:48,137 --> 00:03:50,377 Speaker 1: disconnected after their time and service, and I'm hoping that 69 00:03:50,417 --> 00:03:53,297 Speaker 1: this can help them maybe find a way back home 70 00:03:53,697 --> 00:03:56,617 Speaker 1: to a passion and purpose and you know, either through 71 00:03:56,657 --> 00:04:00,057 Speaker 1: faith or through reigniting, just things that they have picked 72 00:04:00,097 --> 00:04:01,097 Speaker 1: up along the way as well. 73 00:04:01,337 --> 00:04:05,257 Speaker 2: And Jeff, you mention and write about some of the 74 00:04:05,417 --> 00:04:09,297 Speaker 2: historical heroes, biblical historical heroes and warriors. 75 00:04:10,537 --> 00:04:11,457 Speaker 1: What makes you know? 76 00:04:11,817 --> 00:04:14,057 Speaker 2: What are the characteristics because you're a Delta Force commando 77 00:04:14,257 --> 00:04:19,297 Speaker 2: of a great Delta Force warrior, because that's what they are. Like, 78 00:04:19,377 --> 00:04:22,697 Speaker 2: what are the psychological traits and what is the skill 79 00:04:22,817 --> 00:04:26,177 Speaker 2: set for somebody to be an operator of the first 80 00:04:26,297 --> 00:04:27,777 Speaker 2: class at that level? 81 00:04:29,617 --> 00:04:32,617 Speaker 1: Yeah? I think they would be the things people expect, right, 82 00:04:32,697 --> 00:04:34,777 Speaker 1: Like you have to be physically fit, you have to 83 00:04:34,777 --> 00:04:38,177 Speaker 1: be strong, you have to be courageous. U do you 84 00:04:38,217 --> 00:04:40,697 Speaker 1: have to have honor? But I think what is counterintuitive 85 00:04:40,737 --> 00:04:43,377 Speaker 1: to many people is a level of humility that is 86 00:04:43,457 --> 00:04:47,697 Speaker 1: required and a really solid understanding of followers. You know, 87 00:04:47,817 --> 00:04:51,137 Speaker 1: someday I'd like to write a book or study followership. 88 00:04:51,217 --> 00:04:54,417 Speaker 1: You know, we study leadership, but followership is huge. And 89 00:04:54,497 --> 00:04:56,857 Speaker 1: there's a story in the Bible. I don't even remember 90 00:04:56,857 --> 00:04:58,297 Speaker 1: if I touch upon it. I think I do in 91 00:04:58,337 --> 00:05:01,457 Speaker 1: the book where David says just kind of in passing 92 00:05:01,497 --> 00:05:06,177 Speaker 1: that he longs for the water from the well of 93 00:05:06,217 --> 00:05:11,177 Speaker 1: his youth in Bethlehem, and his mighty men risk lives 94 00:05:11,497 --> 00:05:13,857 Speaker 1: to go get him a sip of water, and they 95 00:05:13,897 --> 00:05:16,097 Speaker 1: bring it to him and he throws it on the ground. 96 00:05:16,097 --> 00:05:19,377 Speaker 1: He refuses to drink it because he understands how what 97 00:05:19,457 --> 00:05:21,977 Speaker 1: he says is so important, and he's built this trust 98 00:05:22,017 --> 00:05:24,697 Speaker 1: and confidence with these men that he really has to 99 00:05:24,697 --> 00:05:27,937 Speaker 1: be be careful about what he's doing as a leader. 100 00:05:28,017 --> 00:05:32,217 Speaker 1: And the men and women that I have followed understood 101 00:05:32,217 --> 00:05:35,457 Speaker 1: that they understood that they were servant leaders. They weren't 102 00:05:35,497 --> 00:05:37,897 Speaker 1: in charge of things like some pinnacle on the top, 103 00:05:38,177 --> 00:05:40,737 Speaker 1: but they were supporting every single person. And that's a 104 00:05:40,737 --> 00:05:45,297 Speaker 1: heavy responsibility to carry and one that I've always cherished 105 00:05:45,497 --> 00:05:49,937 Speaker 1: and look look forward to in every opportunity that I get. 106 00:05:51,017 --> 00:05:53,617 Speaker 2: Now for a man of a man of God and 107 00:05:53,657 --> 00:05:57,897 Speaker 2: a man of warfare. People don't generally these days think 108 00:05:57,937 --> 00:06:00,417 Speaker 2: of those two things as going together. I know, obviously 109 00:06:00,497 --> 00:06:02,297 Speaker 2: they can, and you're writing about some of that in 110 00:06:02,337 --> 00:06:05,697 Speaker 2: the book and in the biblical context as well. But 111 00:06:06,057 --> 00:06:08,537 Speaker 2: how do you when someone asks you that, If someone says, 112 00:06:08,537 --> 00:06:10,057 Speaker 2: wait a second, you're a man of God, but you're 113 00:06:10,137 --> 00:06:12,337 Speaker 2: a man of war, a man of warfare, or a warrior, 114 00:06:12,697 --> 00:06:14,937 Speaker 2: how do those two things go together reinforce each other. 115 00:06:14,977 --> 00:06:16,897 Speaker 2: Are there any conflicts that come up that you have 116 00:06:16,977 --> 00:06:20,257 Speaker 2: to pray to have a better understanding. 117 00:06:19,737 --> 00:06:23,537 Speaker 1: Of Yeah, I don't think so. I think there is 118 00:06:24,097 --> 00:06:27,137 Speaker 1: a righteous utility of war. I'll be quite honest with you, Buck. 119 00:06:27,177 --> 00:06:30,417 Speaker 1: When I was over in Afghanistan and Iraq, I definitely 120 00:06:30,457 --> 00:06:33,457 Speaker 1: gravitated more towards the Old Testament. I almost I almost 121 00:06:33,457 --> 00:06:37,017 Speaker 1: could relate to the Old Testament God and the and 122 00:06:37,097 --> 00:06:41,937 Speaker 1: the the instructions that were given to wage war with 123 00:06:41,937 --> 00:06:44,377 Speaker 1: without mercy, you know. So I did a lot of 124 00:06:44,417 --> 00:06:46,977 Speaker 1: Old Testament reading, you know, and then when you jump 125 00:06:47,017 --> 00:06:49,497 Speaker 1: into the New Testament and you and you hear about 126 00:06:49,577 --> 00:06:52,457 Speaker 1: Yeshua and how he's looking for peace and there's a 127 00:06:52,537 --> 00:06:56,537 Speaker 1: time for everything right and what we know as believers 128 00:06:56,897 --> 00:06:59,937 Speaker 1: is how this ends. This ends with war again. So 129 00:06:59,977 --> 00:07:02,297 Speaker 1: we have this old Testament that's just littered with war, 130 00:07:02,817 --> 00:07:05,097 Speaker 1: and then we've got the new Covenant with Yeshua and 131 00:07:05,177 --> 00:07:07,217 Speaker 1: this time that we're in that's supposed to be of 132 00:07:07,297 --> 00:07:10,337 Speaker 1: peace and finding this this shalom throughout the war world, 133 00:07:10,577 --> 00:07:14,457 Speaker 1: but all of it ends again in warfare. And I 134 00:07:14,457 --> 00:07:17,977 Speaker 1: think the important thing is is really understanding your enemy. 135 00:07:18,417 --> 00:07:22,857 Speaker 1: I never had hate, I never had anger towards my enemy. 136 00:07:22,937 --> 00:07:26,097 Speaker 1: I recognized that we were pitted on both sides of 137 00:07:26,137 --> 00:07:29,097 Speaker 1: a conflict, and they were doing what they believed in 138 00:07:29,137 --> 00:07:31,497 Speaker 1: and we were doing what we believed in. And it's 139 00:07:31,497 --> 00:07:34,377 Speaker 1: never been really something I've struggled with. And I think 140 00:07:34,417 --> 00:07:38,977 Speaker 1: also people would be surprised in Special operations. There is 141 00:07:39,737 --> 00:07:44,337 Speaker 1: definitely a majority of believers in the Rangers and in 142 00:07:44,377 --> 00:07:46,577 Speaker 1: special Forces, in in Delta Force that I think people 143 00:07:46,577 --> 00:07:50,097 Speaker 1: would recognize. Which makes sense. 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That's promo code b 171 00:09:06,017 --> 00:09:11,097 Speaker 2: Uck for this special offer and many more. Okay, Jeff, 172 00:09:11,337 --> 00:09:15,177 Speaker 2: so your Special Forces or Delta Force Command or same 173 00:09:15,217 --> 00:09:18,817 Speaker 2: thing or you know both both things are true. I 174 00:09:18,857 --> 00:09:20,777 Speaker 2: don't know if you saw this, but there is a 175 00:09:21,137 --> 00:09:23,497 Speaker 2: recent pull out that says a majority of American adults 176 00:09:24,137 --> 00:09:28,537 Speaker 2: would not be willing to serve in the military even 177 00:09:28,577 --> 00:09:32,257 Speaker 2: if the US were to enter a major war. What 178 00:09:32,337 --> 00:09:36,657 Speaker 2: is going on here with the morale of the American 179 00:09:36,697 --> 00:09:40,617 Speaker 2: people and the willingness outside of military ranks to consider 180 00:09:41,057 --> 00:09:43,537 Speaker 2: service to the country if the country were directly threatened 181 00:09:43,537 --> 00:09:44,297 Speaker 2: in a major war? 182 00:09:44,777 --> 00:09:48,297 Speaker 1: Buck, I have not seen that report, and I don't 183 00:09:48,337 --> 00:09:50,857 Speaker 1: know if I believe it. So here is something that 184 00:09:51,417 --> 00:09:55,057 Speaker 1: I remember. So I was a young ranger. It came 185 00:09:55,097 --> 00:09:58,097 Speaker 1: in the military in nineteen eighty seven, and we didn't 186 00:09:58,137 --> 00:10:01,137 Speaker 1: have war. You know, we wanted war. Be careful what 187 00:10:01,177 --> 00:10:03,417 Speaker 1: you asked for, right, Well, I think it was back 188 00:10:03,457 --> 00:10:05,977 Speaker 1: in probably about two thousand and seven when we were 189 00:10:06,017 --> 00:10:07,977 Speaker 1: in Iraq and I got in the back of a 190 00:10:08,057 --> 00:10:10,737 Speaker 1: vehicle and there were a bunch of young range in 191 00:10:10,777 --> 00:10:12,777 Speaker 1: this vehicle with me. I was an adult Force opera 192 00:10:12,817 --> 00:10:15,177 Speaker 1: at that time, and I looked across at these young 193 00:10:15,217 --> 00:10:19,857 Speaker 1: men and I marveled at the fact that they knew 194 00:10:20,017 --> 00:10:22,257 Speaker 1: out of high school that they were joining the military, 195 00:10:22,337 --> 00:10:24,937 Speaker 1: and they were going to go into two very unpopular 196 00:10:24,977 --> 00:10:27,217 Speaker 1: wars already by two thousand and seven, two thousand and eight, 197 00:10:27,777 --> 00:10:30,097 Speaker 1: wars that many of us knew we weren't going to win. 198 00:10:30,137 --> 00:10:33,057 Speaker 1: We just didn't have the national will to win those wars. 199 00:10:33,057 --> 00:10:35,577 Speaker 1: I don't know if these young men recognize that or not, 200 00:10:36,057 --> 00:10:39,097 Speaker 1: but I was awe struck on the fact that a 201 00:10:39,177 --> 00:10:41,297 Speaker 1: year year and a half earlier, they were still in 202 00:10:41,377 --> 00:10:43,497 Speaker 1: high school right they were playing football, they were going 203 00:10:43,497 --> 00:10:49,057 Speaker 1: to homecoming games, and they joined to defend America and 204 00:10:49,177 --> 00:10:54,137 Speaker 1: go to these conflicts overseas, things that seem to be 205 00:10:54,537 --> 00:10:58,057 Speaker 1: hugely unpopular. So I would challenge all of that. I 206 00:10:58,057 --> 00:11:01,097 Speaker 1: think there are many of patriots. I have two sons, 207 00:11:01,137 --> 00:11:04,377 Speaker 1: they're twenty six and twenty three. They are not soldiers. 208 00:11:04,417 --> 00:11:07,257 Speaker 1: They're entrepreneurs and artists that we've created that space out 209 00:11:07,257 --> 00:11:09,497 Speaker 1: a lot of my life as a soldier. But I 210 00:11:09,537 --> 00:11:12,817 Speaker 1: can guarant to you if they were needed and called upon, 211 00:11:12,977 --> 00:11:15,537 Speaker 1: they would answer that call along with many of their friends. 212 00:11:15,777 --> 00:11:19,057 Speaker 1: So I think we're doing way too much advertising and 213 00:11:19,137 --> 00:11:23,377 Speaker 1: promoting of the people that don't believe in these old 214 00:11:23,417 --> 00:11:25,817 Speaker 1: traditional values that we do. And I think there are 215 00:11:25,817 --> 00:11:28,977 Speaker 1: plenty of young men and women and I have to 216 00:11:29,017 --> 00:11:31,377 Speaker 1: go back and look at that report that you mentioned. 217 00:11:31,417 --> 00:11:33,697 Speaker 1: You said adults, So I wonder what those ages were. 218 00:11:34,417 --> 00:11:37,657 Speaker 1: I've almost lost hope for, you know, people, our age, 219 00:11:37,777 --> 00:11:40,137 Speaker 1: But I still have hope for these young men and 220 00:11:40,177 --> 00:11:44,977 Speaker 1: women in their twenties that have been left with so little, 221 00:11:45,297 --> 00:11:47,617 Speaker 1: and they're going back to I think some of these traditions. 222 00:11:47,617 --> 00:11:49,457 Speaker 1: You're beginning to see them go back to church and 223 00:11:49,537 --> 00:11:51,897 Speaker 1: go back to faith, and they're trying to put their 224 00:11:52,457 --> 00:11:54,937 Speaker 1: confidence in some of these things that we've kind of 225 00:11:54,937 --> 00:11:56,137 Speaker 1: broken apart for them. 226 00:11:56,977 --> 00:12:00,777 Speaker 2: What is your sense of the criticisms that have been 227 00:12:00,897 --> 00:12:04,697 Speaker 2: leveled against a lot of the four stars, if you will, 228 00:12:04,777 --> 00:12:08,897 Speaker 2: the top military brass, the Secretary of Defense for the 229 00:12:09,017 --> 00:12:12,377 Speaker 2: social engineering that has gone on with the military. Does 230 00:12:12,417 --> 00:12:14,977 Speaker 2: that concern you? Do you think that's overhyped? How do 231 00:12:15,017 --> 00:12:15,497 Speaker 2: you view that? 232 00:12:17,017 --> 00:12:20,337 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would take that and pile on some things buck. 233 00:12:20,537 --> 00:12:24,937 Speaker 1: You know, the I think our general leadership, our natural leadership, 234 00:12:24,937 --> 00:12:27,537 Speaker 1: both at the political level and military level, need to 235 00:12:27,577 --> 00:12:30,617 Speaker 1: be held accountable for the things that they're responsible for. 236 00:12:31,137 --> 00:12:34,097 Speaker 1: You know, when you look at Iraq and Afghanistan, I 237 00:12:34,177 --> 00:12:36,297 Speaker 1: wasn't responsible for winning the wars. The guys that I 238 00:12:36,337 --> 00:12:39,177 Speaker 1: worked with weren't responsible. We were responsible for winning battles, 239 00:12:39,217 --> 00:12:42,897 Speaker 1: and that's what we did. And Americans won every single 240 00:12:42,937 --> 00:12:46,337 Speaker 1: battle that they've been involved with, but our politicians and 241 00:12:46,537 --> 00:12:50,817 Speaker 1: our higher generals lost those wars. So I find it 242 00:12:51,017 --> 00:12:56,097 Speaker 1: kind of ironic that these men that failed to win 243 00:12:56,377 --> 00:12:59,337 Speaker 1: wars that they were tasked with winning are now in 244 00:12:59,497 --> 00:13:03,057 Speaker 1: high level positions and making money and consultants and that 245 00:13:03,137 --> 00:13:06,337 Speaker 1: kind of thing. So we really need to understand what 246 00:13:06,457 --> 00:13:10,257 Speaker 1: that relationship is between politics and military. We need to 247 00:13:10,377 --> 00:13:13,817 Speaker 1: understand almost back to this close the Witzy idea that 248 00:13:14,097 --> 00:13:18,097 Speaker 1: warfare is an extension of politics, but it's not politics, 249 00:13:18,497 --> 00:13:21,297 Speaker 1: and warfare in combat and winning on the battlefield is 250 00:13:21,337 --> 00:13:24,457 Speaker 1: still an essential part of the way the world works. 251 00:13:24,297 --> 00:13:27,977 Speaker 1: It's just like we're looking at now with Israel. You know, 252 00:13:28,017 --> 00:13:32,897 Speaker 1: we're trying to influence Israel to have some sort of 253 00:13:33,017 --> 00:13:38,417 Speaker 1: velvet glove approach in Gaza after they were brutally, brutally attacked. 254 00:13:38,817 --> 00:13:41,897 Speaker 1: So the other day, a couple of weeks ago, I 255 00:13:42,017 --> 00:13:46,857 Speaker 1: was at the New Army Museum in Virginia and I 256 00:13:46,897 --> 00:13:50,697 Speaker 1: was walking through it and we were celebrating the American Army, 257 00:13:50,777 --> 00:13:53,977 Speaker 1: the American military through all of these wars, and we 258 00:13:53,977 --> 00:13:59,257 Speaker 1: were brutal. I mean, we won these wars because we 259 00:13:59,257 --> 00:14:02,897 Speaker 1: were brutal and we outward our enemy. And then you 260 00:14:02,977 --> 00:14:06,017 Speaker 1: get to Desert Storm, and then you get to the 261 00:14:06,057 --> 00:14:09,497 Speaker 1: Iraq War, and you get to Afghanistan, and we suddenly 262 00:14:09,537 --> 00:14:12,457 Speaker 1: stopped aging warfare. Now, it happened in Vietnam as well, 263 00:14:12,497 --> 00:14:15,297 Speaker 1: so I guess that was the pivot. Warfare is an 264 00:14:15,417 --> 00:14:19,777 Speaker 1: essential part of peace. It's an essential part of keeping 265 00:14:19,857 --> 00:14:23,457 Speaker 1: the world stable. But we've watered it down and we've 266 00:14:23,457 --> 00:14:26,337 Speaker 1: created these wars that aren't really wars. And I think 267 00:14:26,697 --> 00:14:28,937 Speaker 1: we either need to decide you're going to go into 268 00:14:28,977 --> 00:14:31,137 Speaker 1: a war and win it or you're going to stay 269 00:14:31,177 --> 00:14:33,497 Speaker 1: out of it. And this little tiptoe dance that we've 270 00:14:33,497 --> 00:14:36,737 Speaker 1: been doing since Vietnam is just not healthy for anybody. 271 00:14:38,017 --> 00:14:39,857 Speaker 2: Jeff, I want to ask you to tell us where 272 00:14:39,897 --> 00:14:42,377 Speaker 2: we can get the book and a few more things 273 00:14:42,417 --> 00:14:43,177 Speaker 2: here in just a second. 274 00:14:43,177 --> 00:14:43,777 Speaker 1: But first up. 275 00:14:44,017 --> 00:14:46,337 Speaker 2: Earlier this year, an event thirty years the making took 276 00:14:46,377 --> 00:14:49,377 Speaker 2: place involved my dad, Mason Sexton, who famously called the 277 00:14:49,457 --> 00:14:52,697 Speaker 2: nineteen eighty seven stock market crash. He went live with 278 00:14:52,777 --> 00:14:55,817 Speaker 2: his first major public prediction in decades. 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Tell everyone again about the book and 293 00:15:39,817 --> 00:15:42,417 Speaker 2: why you think this is something that a lot of 294 00:15:42,417 --> 00:15:45,657 Speaker 2: the folks at home would really would really get a 295 00:15:45,697 --> 00:15:46,657 Speaker 2: lot of value from reading. 296 00:15:47,617 --> 00:15:49,977 Speaker 1: So the book is called Where Have All the Heroes Gone? 297 00:15:50,297 --> 00:15:54,097 Speaker 1: A pilgrimage through the Bible, the battlefield and back home again, 298 00:15:54,257 --> 00:15:58,217 Speaker 1: And everything about it is encapsulated in that title. It's 299 00:15:58,217 --> 00:16:01,457 Speaker 1: a pilgrimage, and I think it's a highly unique book 300 00:16:02,057 --> 00:16:06,617 Speaker 1: that blends a spiritual journey. It looks at legends and 301 00:16:06,657 --> 00:16:10,017 Speaker 1: traditions of old ancient scripture and then very very unique 302 00:16:10,057 --> 00:16:13,337 Speaker 1: experiences that I've had from Panama as a young corporal 303 00:16:13,457 --> 00:16:17,057 Speaker 1: that invasion in nineteen eighty nine. I'm hoping that people 304 00:16:18,057 --> 00:16:22,057 Speaker 1: are finding a new inspiration to relook some of these 305 00:16:22,097 --> 00:16:25,497 Speaker 1: old traditions, some of this old scripture. I've definitely written 306 00:16:25,497 --> 00:16:28,057 Speaker 1: it for veterans, and maybe some of the things that 307 00:16:28,097 --> 00:16:30,617 Speaker 1: I talk about and share they can identify with some 308 00:16:30,657 --> 00:16:33,337 Speaker 1: of those frustrations we've had, some of those goals. I 309 00:16:33,337 --> 00:16:36,337 Speaker 1: think it's just some really candid talk as well about 310 00:16:36,817 --> 00:16:41,257 Speaker 1: things that Special Operations Forces and me specifically have endured 311 00:16:41,737 --> 00:16:44,857 Speaker 1: over the last you know, a couple decades. You know 312 00:16:44,937 --> 00:16:47,457 Speaker 1: it kind of I find it kind of ironic again, Buck, 313 00:16:47,497 --> 00:16:51,777 Speaker 1: where people are very upset about the tactics that Hamas 314 00:16:51,897 --> 00:16:55,017 Speaker 1: is using in Gaza right now, and I'm sitting here 315 00:16:55,057 --> 00:16:59,817 Speaker 1: going does nobody know that that's what's been happening in 316 00:16:59,817 --> 00:17:02,737 Speaker 1: Iraq and Afghanistan for twenty years. The suicide bombers and 317 00:17:02,737 --> 00:17:05,137 Speaker 1: the tunnels and hiding behind children, you know what I mean? 318 00:17:05,737 --> 00:17:08,017 Speaker 1: Those are things that we've been overlooking. And I tell 319 00:17:08,057 --> 00:17:10,777 Speaker 1: those stories. I tell the story of fronting a man 320 00:17:10,817 --> 00:17:12,937 Speaker 1: who had a baby in his arms and a knife 321 00:17:12,977 --> 00:17:17,057 Speaker 1: across the child's throat, threatening me that I needed to 322 00:17:17,137 --> 00:17:19,497 Speaker 1: let him go. You know. I talk about these things, 323 00:17:20,217 --> 00:17:22,457 Speaker 1: and again, I think it was some healing for myself. 324 00:17:22,457 --> 00:17:25,137 Speaker 1: I hope it brings some healing for our other fellow veterans. 325 00:17:25,177 --> 00:17:27,457 Speaker 1: And I think it's a fascinating blend for folks that 326 00:17:27,857 --> 00:17:30,057 Speaker 1: aren't that familiar with the Bible or the Bible stories, 327 00:17:30,177 --> 00:17:32,217 Speaker 1: or even if they are, there are some things in 328 00:17:32,257 --> 00:17:34,977 Speaker 1: there that have really been lost to time. You can 329 00:17:35,057 --> 00:17:37,817 Speaker 1: find the book on Amazon. It's a Kindle version. There 330 00:17:37,897 --> 00:17:41,337 Speaker 1: is the cover version. There's some delay with the audio. 331 00:17:41,377 --> 00:17:43,577 Speaker 1: I'm not sure why the audio isn't out yet, but 332 00:17:43,617 --> 00:17:45,897 Speaker 1: the audio is complete and it's my voice, so it'll 333 00:17:45,937 --> 00:17:48,777 Speaker 1: be a familiar voice. And that was an interesting experience 334 00:17:48,777 --> 00:17:52,857 Speaker 1: as well, not only writing the book but reading aloud 335 00:17:53,217 --> 00:17:55,657 Speaker 1: for the audio. It also was all part of this 336 00:17:55,737 --> 00:17:58,537 Speaker 1: journey that I really feel is some closure for me 337 00:17:59,017 --> 00:18:00,737 Speaker 1: that I hope it will bring to some other people, 338 00:18:00,777 --> 00:18:02,577 Speaker 1: either those that have been burned by the faith or 339 00:18:02,577 --> 00:18:05,297 Speaker 1: have lost their passion for it, and those veterans also 340 00:18:05,377 --> 00:18:07,857 Speaker 1: that are really looking for a new passion and purpose 341 00:18:07,897 --> 00:18:08,257 Speaker 1: in life. 342 00:18:08,577 --> 00:18:09,857 Speaker 2: Where have all the heroes gone? 343 00:18:10,097 --> 00:18:10,337 Speaker 1: Book? 344 00:18:10,337 --> 00:18:13,857 Speaker 2: Go get your copy. Jeff Tigs a hero, a humble man, 345 00:18:13,977 --> 00:18:17,417 Speaker 2: a badass, a man of God. Appreciate you being here, sir. 346 00:18:18,857 --> 00:18:20,817 Speaker 1: Thanks Bot, Thanks for having me. Really appreciate it.