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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Battleground Podcast. What's up.

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Speaker 2: It's Battle and We've got a really, really good show

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Speaker 2: today for you, because well, oh you didn't know. I know,

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Speaker 2: I'm a very big mark for that right there. Uh,

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Speaker 2: the road dog Jesse James is on the show with

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Speaker 2: us today. It's our Friday show. So yeah, we're gonna

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Speaker 2: talk to him about an event that's happening next weekend

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Speaker 2: here in Nashville.

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Speaker 1: In Portland, Tennessee.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll give you all the details on how you

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Speaker 2: can get those tickets. But right now, you know what

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Speaker 2: time it is, It's time to get this show started.

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Speaker 2: Hey ref ring the bell.

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Speaker 3: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to up battle Ground Podcast. This

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Speaker 3: is a podcast all about professional wrestling. Join Battle and

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Speaker 3: Eli as a breakdown what's going on in the world

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Speaker 3: of professional wrestling with special guests, including some of your

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Speaker 3: favorite wrestling superstars.

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Speaker 1: You never know who's gonna stop by now making their

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Speaker 1: way to the microphone.

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Speaker 3: Give it up for the greatest podcast team.

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Speaker 4: In the world.

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Speaker 1: Battle Hey, Eli.

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Speaker 2: You know this is an awesome show for us right

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Speaker 2: now because I'm kind of geeking out of who's on.

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Speaker 1: The phone with us.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk about the event that he is going to

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Speaker 2: be a part of. But I don't think there's really

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Speaker 2: for me to do the introduction elive. We're just gonna

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Speaker 2: let him do it and let the audience figure out

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Speaker 2: who's on the show today.

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Speaker 5: Right, sounds like a plan.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's let him do this and then you can

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Speaker 2: all figure out who's on the show today.

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Speaker 4: Oh, you didn't know. It's me. It's me. It's the

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Speaker 4: do Double D the Road, Don Jesse James, right shoe. Hey,

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Speaker 4: I appreciate you guys having me.

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Speaker 1: Dude, thanks for coming on. I'm literally got goosebumps right

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Speaker 1: now just hearing that.

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Speaker 5: I mean, we can just stop it now.

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Speaker 1: I guess that's the end of the podcast.

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Speaker 2: But make sure you go to Pro Wrestling Entertainment show

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Speaker 2: next Saturday in Portland.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so Pro Wrestling Entertainment.

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Speaker 2: They're eighth annual Christmas for Kids charity events going down

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Speaker 2: next Saturday, December twenty first, at seven thirty Richland Park

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Speaker 2: Gym in Portland, Tennessee. Tickets starting at ten dollars. All

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Speaker 2: kids under the age of ten and underget free emission,

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Speaker 2: plus I get a free Christmas skiff to open up

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Speaker 2: to the event, and then also, percentage of proceeds from

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Speaker 2: ticket sales, concession sales, and merchandise sales will be donated

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Speaker 2: to a local children's charity, a Soldier's Child Foundation and

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Speaker 2: road dog Jesse. James will be in the building next Saturday.

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Speaker 4: That's correct, man, I will be there and that's you know,

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Speaker 4: it's a great charity. A buddy of mine who's kind

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Speaker 4: you know, the charitable donations are going to a great cause. Uh.

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Speaker 4: You know soldiers and I relate to this on a

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Speaker 4: so that's what this charity does, uh, is that serves

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Speaker 4: So just please to punch to be to be coming

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Speaker 1: Oh man, it's it's a great thing.

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Speaker 2: Because I was I was telling Eli Portland is just

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Speaker 1: Yes, it's all right for me. Yeah, I mean I

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Speaker 4: Worked out all right, h you know. And now now

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's it's phenomenal stuff.

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Speaker 2: On Wednesday nights and next Saturday it is going down

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Speaker 2: Pro Wrestling Entertainment's eighth annual Christmas for Kids charity event Saturday,

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Speaker 2: December twenty first, seven thirty Richland Park Jim in Portland, Tennessee.

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Speaker 2: Ticket started just ten dollars. Our guest on the phone

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Speaker 2: with US. W WE Hall of Famer road Dog Jesse

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Speaker 2: James is here with us. So roughly from like ninety

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Speaker 5: So but not long after that, you joined WWF in

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Speaker 5: of you guys both left were like within a year. Though,

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Speaker 5: what what happened with that tenure? Was it always a

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Speaker 4: So I was, I was the roadie and I got

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Speaker 4: back in the day, we were all kind of party

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00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:00,080
Speaker 4: animals and he was the king party animals. So so

437
00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:03,840
Speaker 4: you revered him because he was that. But you also

438
00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:05,840
Speaker 4: he had a good heart too. He was a great

439
00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,600
Speaker 4: guy to do anything for you. Yeah.

440
00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:11,320
Speaker 2: Man, We actually had Animal on not too long ago,

441
00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:14,280
Speaker 2: and he he we talked some stuff and talked the career,

442
00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:16,760
Speaker 2: and he had high praises before we started the podcast

443
00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:17,399
Speaker 2: about you guys.

444
00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,600
Speaker 4: So oh is that right? Well, yeah, I appreciate that. Well,

445
00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,400
Speaker 4: I look, I have high praises for him too, because they, man,

446
00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:25,879
Speaker 4: they they did that for us, you know, and I'll

447
00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:27,840
Speaker 4: never forget that as long as I lived. That was

448
00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:31,920
Speaker 4: our first uh you know, notching our belt and they

449
00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,320
Speaker 4: and they did the honors for us, man, and that's

450
00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:36,880
Speaker 4: I'll never forget that in my life.

451
00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:40,240
Speaker 5: But I mean that definitely added some legitimacy to you guys.

452
00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,760
Speaker 5: You know, it's not like you just I mean, holy crap.

453
00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:45,639
Speaker 4: It was Rockabilly and the and the Roadie and all

454
00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:48,720
Speaker 4: of a sudden the ultimately you know, the not the

455
00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:52,720
Speaker 4: Ultimate Warriors, the road Warriors, holy crap. You know. It

456
00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:56,000
Speaker 4: was put us on the map man for sure. And

457
00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,679
Speaker 4: then they with the dumpster match, and so it was

458
00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,640
Speaker 4: just a couple of things that made people go, oh man,

459
00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,560
Speaker 4: these guys are interesting. You know what's going on over here,

460
00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,000
Speaker 4: and so yeah, I appreciate it for those guys.

461
00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, and of course, you know, after winning the tag

462
00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:11,840
Speaker 2: team titles, it was just a nothing but a rocket

463
00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:15,960
Speaker 2: ship for you guys. The Outlaws joined probably one of

464
00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,800
Speaker 2: the biggest groups ever that made every kid want to

465
00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:22,280
Speaker 2: yell two words to everybody, including their parents, and I

466
00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:25,560
Speaker 2: go by the words of suck it. You guys joined

467
00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,080
Speaker 2: d X the night after Wrestlmania fourteen. When did you

468
00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:29,639
Speaker 2: find out you were going to be a part of

469
00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,399
Speaker 2: the faction and what was that experience like?

470
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,680
Speaker 4: So we we didn't find out until the day that

471
00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:37,320
Speaker 4: it happened.

472
00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,680
Speaker 1: Wow, no pressure, no pressure.

473
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,919
Speaker 4: Well and so we you know a lot of the times,

474
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,440
Speaker 4: and look, I was living a totally different life than too.

475
00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:49,720
Speaker 4: I was kind of oblivious to what was going on

476
00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,800
Speaker 4: around me. But we got the TV that day at

477
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,760
Speaker 4: Hunter and Sean pulled us aside and said, hey, what

478
00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:57,960
Speaker 4: do you think about doing this? And you know, they

479
00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,320
Speaker 4: had just started doing it, and they were it was

480
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,400
Speaker 4: the it was the new cool thing on TV. And

481
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,320
Speaker 4: she was Shawn Michaels of course, and and Hunter was

482
00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:09,120
Speaker 4: moving on up like George and weezy. So we thought, well,

483
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,239
Speaker 4: we acted all cool. We were like, hey, let us

484
00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:16,119
Speaker 4: think about it. Both walked around the corner and jumped

485
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,280
Speaker 4: up and down and I fived each other. But but

486
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,040
Speaker 4: it was we came back in a little while, we

487
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,320
Speaker 4: went and ate, and we came back and so yeah, yeah,

488
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,080
Speaker 4: let's let's do this, you know what I mean, Let's

489
00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:28,879
Speaker 4: see what happens. Uh, good lord? And it was just

490
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,880
Speaker 4: speaking of rockets there was one on us then, man,

491
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:34,960
Speaker 4: because the T shirt sales and the whole deal. Like

492
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:39,639
Speaker 4: I sometimes I forget that, Like d X was that

493
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 4: big a part of that era too. Like I always

494
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:46,679
Speaker 4: think of Austin and the Undertaker, and you know, there

495
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,399
Speaker 4: was a lot going on then, uh, but d X

496
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,680
Speaker 4: was like up there with them, you know what I mean.

497
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:56,200
Speaker 4: And remember, correctly, we fed those guys for a lot

498
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 4: of stunners, and we fed those guys for a lot

499
00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 4: of rock bottoms, and those guys for a lot of stuff.

500
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 4: We were the bad guys until we got too cool

501
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,680
Speaker 4: to be bad guys anymore, you know. And it was

502
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,360
Speaker 4: it was again the culture was changing. Like we could

503
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 4: go out there and tell people to suck it and

504
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 4: they loved it, you know what I mean.

505
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 1: And that was.

506
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 2: The one thing like that that was the thing because

507
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 2: after you guys appeared and you know, the suck it started.

508
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 2: I can't tell you how many times I'd be in

509
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,400
Speaker 2: school or class and you just see something. You see

510
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,800
Speaker 2: your friend walking down the hallway and they just look

511
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 2: at each other and they do the DX suck it

512
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 2: and it's like it's probably the greatest thing.

513
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:35,440
Speaker 1: In the world.

514
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, I forget what movie it was, but like the

515
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:47,439
Speaker 4: mother on one of those old TV shows, did suck it.

516
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 2: And it's the thing that's great about the time with

517
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 2: DX is it still carries on to this day that

518
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 2: people still use stuff from DX. And the one thing

519
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 2: that I liked about d X was you did have

520
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:04,239
Speaker 2: fifty thousand members joining DX like n W odd, like

521
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 2: you knew the core members of d X. There wasn't

522
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 2: you know, Virgil coming into DX like he was.

523
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 1: With n WO. No offense to Virgil if he listens,

524
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,440
Speaker 1: by the way, yeah.

525
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:18,360
Speaker 4: No offense the hopefully none taken from Virgil. But look,

526
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,159
Speaker 4: they were smart enough. When I say they, I mean

527
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:25,639
Speaker 4: Sean and Hunter. Hunter for sure was smart enough to

528
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:27,480
Speaker 4: know that that's just going to water it down. And

529
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 4: if we look at it, if it's time for us

530
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,239
Speaker 4: to split up because this guy is going to go up,

531
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,120
Speaker 4: we could split up. But that we know, they knew

532
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:35,879
Speaker 4: in six months or a year they could put us

533
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 4: back together again and it would be a cool moment.

534
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 4: And so so yeah, they kept it pretty uh, pretty exclusive.

535
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,159
Speaker 4: But I do think that's you know, that was that

536
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 4: was a smart move, smart business move, smart creative move. Anyway,

537
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,680
Speaker 4: And now shooting now we're doing DX reunions every other

538
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 4: year or something, you.

539
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 2: Know, and and the crowd still pops every time you

540
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:01,119
Speaker 2: hear that music hit. And uh, it was like during

541
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 2: the Survivor Sary stuff and you guys came out with

542
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,440
Speaker 2: the n XT crew and I was like, holy crap,

543
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 2: like d X NXT, the truck's back, the invasions back,

544
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 2: and I got goosebumps when I saw it happen.

545
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I had to drive that jeep and needless

546
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:20,959
Speaker 4: to say, I put on a pounder twelve and so

547
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 4: I was tucked to that jeep and uh, we got

548
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,160
Speaker 4: that thing. We came down the ramp and I tried

549
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:27,680
Speaker 4: to get out of the jeep and I was stuck

550
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:31,360
Speaker 4: in there, and so I said, uh, I would talk

551
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 4: to the powers that be and I said, let's please

552
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 4: get out of that that backstage we shot before. I'm

553
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 4: stuck in the thing, you know. So as soon as

554
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 4: Hunter and them jumped off, they just dropped out of it.

555
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 3: Uh.

556
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,879
Speaker 4: But yeah, it was funny every time, you know. And

557
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 4: that's what d X was all about, man, was we

558
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,919
Speaker 4: had a good time and you were kind of you

559
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 4: were kind of allowed to come along for the ride

560
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 4: with us because we were gonna have fun, you may

561
00:25:58,040 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 4: as well have it with us, or we're just gonna

562
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 4: have it at your spis you know right.

563
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 5: Well, you'd mentioned earlier, you know you kind of transitioned

564
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 5: to behind the scenes role, and you've had several roles,

565
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 5: you know, in your time. What do you think was

566
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 5: the biggest challenge going from en ring to you know,

567
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 5: behind the scenes employee. Was it natural transition or was

568
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,439
Speaker 5: it like you know, were you kind of had that

569
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 5: like crap? I kind of wish I was still in

570
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 5: the ring.

571
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 4: Well, no, Look, it's it's a mandatory if you want

572
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 4: to stay in the industry. It's a mandatory transition. You

573
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 4: just get to where you can't keep up anymore. And

574
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,360
Speaker 4: I didn't want to ever want to be the guy

575
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 4: that was hanging on and couldn't keep up, but he's

576
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 4: still hanging on, you know. I didn't want to be

577
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 4: that guy the most difficult Look, it was very natural

578
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 4: for me as far as psychologically and mentally and everything like.

579
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 4: It was very natural because I always fancied myself as

580
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 4: one of the creative forces behind d X, Like when

581
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 4: they would when Vince would write us into a scenario

582
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 4: being hunter would kind of work our way out of

583
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 4: it and figure out, Okay, how were we to do this? Okay,

584
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 4: I'll come in this door and you do that, and

585
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 4: and here comes Billy and you know what I mean,

586
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 4: we so we kind of did that together anyway, And

587
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 4: when he finally excuse me, when he finally called me,

588
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 4: he said, hey, remember we used to do that craft

589
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 4: of those backstages with DX. You want to do that again?

590
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 4: And I was like, I want to do that again.

591
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,640
Speaker 4: So so we kind of got back into that. Then

592
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,159
Speaker 4: then it transitioned and not just being a producer and

593
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 4: kind of a creative consultant, but but then it changed

594
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 4: into being the actual lead writer of SmackDown, you know,

595
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 4: and coming up with the with the segments and coming

596
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 4: up with the matches and everything from from what music

597
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,439
Speaker 4: takes you to commercial break to you know, it's a

598
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,439
Speaker 4: it's a whole ordeal. And the most difficult part for

599
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:46,959
Speaker 4: me in that aspect was just becoming a corporate businessman,

600
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, like suit and going to

601
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 4: the office and having an office and working and getting

602
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 4: a laptop computer.

603
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:58,919
Speaker 1: And you know what I mean, having to put a

604
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 1: tie on and the jaz.

605
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, and I actually didn't know how to tie

606
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 4: a tie. Funny story with some Jehovah witnesses came to

607
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 4: my house and knocked on the door. I was trying

608
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 4: to watch a tutorial on YouTube to tie a tie,

609
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 4: and the dude goes, oh, well, I just do mine

610
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 4: like this, and he showed me, and it was so simple,

611
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,919
Speaker 4: and I do it that way to this day. It's

612
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 4: a fancy windsor or nothing, you know what I mean, Like,

613
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 4: I don't even know what it is, but it works.

614
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 4: And and I wish i'd see that kid again. I

615
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 4: would donate some money to them.

616
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, he'll probably listen to this later now, once he's

617
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 2: done with everything he's got to do, and be like,

618
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 2: let me just let me tweet road Dog real quick

619
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 2: and see if he remembers, Hey, I'm that guy that

620
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 2: showed you how tie a tie.

621
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, well I will remember because he has. I've tied

622
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 4: many a tie that way.

623
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 1: Our guess.

624
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 2: So the pune with us right now. Road Dog Jesse James,

625
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 2: He's going to be a Nashville. Next week, Portland, Tennessee

626
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 2: to be Exact Pro Wrestling Entertainment putting on their eighth

627
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 2: annual Christmas for Kids charity event at Richland Park Gym

628
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 2: in Portland, and is he get started ten dollars, all

629
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 2: kids ten and under get free admission and all kids

630
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 2: ten and under getting free Christmas gift to open at

631
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 2: the event.

632
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: You can get your tickets at Pro Wrestling E n

633
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: T at dot com.

634
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 2: One question I kind of like to ask all the

635
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 2: wrestlers that come on the show is what is your

636
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 2: dream singles match you never got to have as well

637
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 2: as your dream tag match?

638
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 4: That's that's you know. People always ask that if you

639
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 4: could wrestle anybody past your future, who would it be? Like?

640
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 4: I don't I honestly don't know when it comes to

641
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 4: tag matches, if if they're like, we wrestled the Road Warriors,

642
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, We wrestled Terry Funk and

643
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 4: Mick Foley. We wrestled uh, you know, Barry Windham and

644
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 4: and uh Bradshaw and you know, so we look. I guess,

645
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 4: I guess I would have loved to wrestle like the

646
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 4: Midnight Express or the Rock and Rolling.

647
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: I mean, you could still wrestle the Rock and Roll Express.

648
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 4: There, I know. But the problem is Ricky would work

649
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 4: circles around.

650
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 2: We've seen We've seen them three times in the past

651
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 2: like four months, and it looks like they've not missed

652
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 2: a beat at all.

653
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 4: It's incredible to me. Man, I can't walk up the

654
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 4: stairs and Ricky's doing frigging code read. I can't do it.

655
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 4: Uh But but as far as the singles, I don't

656
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 4: know that either. You know. I got to I got

657
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 4: to work in the ring with with Flair. I got

658
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 4: to work in the ring. Was one of my favorite

659
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 4: opponents ever was boss Man Big Bosston. What a great

660
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 4: guy and what a smooth worker, and he was just

661
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 4: fun to be with and be around. He was. That's

662
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 4: such a good heart. Uh. So you know what I think.

663
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 4: I I think I did it all. Man. I'm serious too,

664
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 4: I don't I worked my father in the Smoky Mountain.

665
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 4: I was under a hood and he beat him in

666
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 4: a loser leave town and I used some grass nuts

667
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 4: or something like it was. So I got to do everything,

668
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 4: you know. I got to work with a lot of

669
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 4: great workers, and I can't. I can't put my finger

670
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 4: on one that I didn't and that I wish I

671
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 4: had him.

672
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 5: You know, yeah, yeah, it kind of You actually said

673
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 5: something about boss Man that reminded me j R. Pretty

674
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 5: much said that verbatim about your brother Brad, about just

675
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 5: how you know, he was one of the best workers

676
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 5: he's ever seen in the Ring, super smooth, you know,

677
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 5: the whole nine. Did you get any like, was there

678
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 5: any direct influence from him? Did you did you get

679
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 5: like specific kind of you know, pick up things from

680
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 5: him specifically or.

681
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 4: Was it just everything everything I ever did in the Ring,

682
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 4: I was just trying to emulate him. And that's the truth. Like,

683
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 4: that's the truth, every bump, every maneuver. But I was

684
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 4: longer and leaner, and so it looked different, and so

685
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 4: I I almost took what I could get from him.

686
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 4: But then I also took like from Barry Windom, like

687
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 4: with a big boot or a big you know, a

688
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 4: big covering a lot of space and kicking a guy

689
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 4: in the head, but trying to do it with a

690
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 4: christness like Barry when them would do really Brad and

691
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,479
Speaker 4: Barry Wyndham, I had some of the best matches I've

692
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 4: ever seen in my life. And those were my two

693
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 4: that I went like, man if I can and look,

694
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 4: I'm not was never anywhere near as good as either

695
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 4: one of those guys. So that's not what I'm trying

696
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 4: to get at. But those are the guys I looked

697
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 4: up to and thought, man, they're both great workers. And

698
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 4: that was another thing, Like it was the work of it.

699
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 4: It wasn't there there the physicality. It wasn't the brutality

700
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 4: of their work or their you know, the road wars

701
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 4: beat the shit out of people. Excuse me, you shouldn't

702
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 4: said that. Believe Yeah, they beat the fire out of people.

703
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 4: And and that's not what I was about. Brad was

704
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 4: a great worker. He was smooth as silk and never

705
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 4: hurt nobody. Marry Wyndam the same way like that, You

706
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 4: just didn't. It was a night off. That's that's what

707
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 4: you hear a lot in the dressing room. Yet, Rick,

708
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 4: my brother's top five of the people he's ever worked

709
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 4: in his life. That's Rick Clair saying that Rick Clair's

710
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 4: worked with everybody in every territory, in every continent in

711
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 4: the world, you know what I mean. And he said,

712
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 4: my brother's top five. Man, that's a huge honor. But

713
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 4: I knew that already. I stood on the apron and

714
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 4: watched him work, and man, he was so smooth and

715
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 4: so good and doing it all while he was legally blind,

716
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like you're thinking his glasses

717
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 4: couldn't see it in front of his faith. But yeah,

718
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 4: he was and such a good dude and so funny,

719
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,479
Speaker 4: like he just when the red light came on and

720
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 4: the camera was on, he couldn't take who he was

721
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 4: in the back and present it to the world when

722
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,959
Speaker 4: that red light was on. People asked me that all

723
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 4: the time, like how come he didn't make it more

724
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 4: like he was him? And Dean Malenko would make you

725
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 4: cry in the dressing room, just christ tears of joy

726
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 4: because they're so hilarious. But he just couldn't do it

727
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 4: when the red light was on, you know what I mean.

728
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 4: He was he learned during a time where you were

729
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 4: kind of guarded and you didn't let that guard down,

730
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 4: and if you were a babyface, you were that, hey,

731
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna do my dead level best to to

732
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 4: get a victory here, and you know what I mean,

733
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,719
Speaker 4: That's how it was. And so I was kind of

734
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 4: raised in a time where it was okay to go

735
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 4: out on that limb and maybe make a fool of

736
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 4: yourself or maybe be entertaining, And so that was to me,

737
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 4: that was the difference between he and I man if

738
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 4: I could have worked like him, or if he could

739
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 4: have not been afraid to be the butt of the

740
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 4: joke or to make a fool of himself like me,

741
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 4: I don't think anything stopping either one of us, you know, right.

742
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,240
Speaker 5: We actually we got to talk to Kevin Nash earlier

743
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 5: this year too, and he kind of almost exactly what

744
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 5: you were just saying. You know, got to WCW and

745
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 5: he's like, dude, I'm green, I don't know anything. He's like,

746
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 5: just put me with Bobby Eaton and so he just

747
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 5: did all these matches with Bobby and he's just like

748
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 5: I was just training. He's like I was ring training

749
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 5: with one of the masters. And from what I've heard

750
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 5: about Brad, it's the same kind of thing. Like I

751
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 5: didn't know what I was doing, but I got in

752
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 5: there with him and I got better, you know.

753
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, yeah, well look, I mean that's what.

754
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 4: And I didn't even get in there with him. I

755
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 4: got in there pagged with him, but I would just

756
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 4: watch his every move and every and again, I've never

757
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 4: got to be as good as he was, uh, but

758
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 4: I sure tried, you know.

759
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, for anyone wanting to go back and look,

760
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 5: there's tons of his stuff on the ww network, and

761
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 5: again Jim Ross is always saying his praises, so definitely

762
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 5: worth digging up some of his wrestling matches.

763
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure, especially if you're a student of the game.

764
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 4: If you love what gets done inside of wrestling ring

765
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 4: then and you appreciate it for what it is, then

766
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 4: you'll dang sure appreciate watching him work man. And I

767
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 4: mean any any matches, any one of his matches. He

768
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 4: had great ones on Knights of Champions and stuff with

769
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 4: Barry Wyndham, with Brian Pillman, with Luger, I mean a

770
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 4: excuse meet Liger, but I mean just great matches. But

771
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,800
Speaker 4: even if it was me and him versus the Southern

772
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 4: posse from from Disney or so, you know, on Saturday Night,

773
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 4: it would you will see things that he does that

774
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 4: you go, god darn, how did he do that? And

775
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 4: why did that? Why would he even? How Like I

776
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 4: couldn't even He would be in a nerve hold and

777
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 4: he would start slapping his hand and I would be like,

778
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,280
Speaker 4: what's he doing? And I realized, like, oh, he's acting

779
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,760
Speaker 4: like he can't feel his hand and he's trying to

780
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 4: slap you know, yeah, and I'm thinking that's such a

781
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 4: small thing that when you get it, it means the world.

782
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,280
Speaker 4: It's one of those that he always said it's a subtlety,

783
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 4: that's not subtle at all, right, you know what I mean?

784
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 5: Well, and that's like, you know, especially now today, you know,

785
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 5: we've kind of gotten well, generally speaking, we've gotten away

786
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:35,720
Speaker 5: from the you know what they call the Vince guys,

787
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 5: the six eight, three hundred pound cut, you know, and

788
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 5: you've kind of got to where you can get over

789
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 5: you know, Seth Rollins isn't the biggest guy in the world.

790
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 5: He's in shape and everything, but you know, you can

791
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 5: have these smaller performers and you know, kind of getting

792
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 5: into that whole ring psychology thing and just little things

793
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 5: like that. That's he kind of like aj Styles is

794
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 5: really the master of that right now. He does little

795
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 5: you know, there's a match with him not too long

796
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 5: ago and someone rolled up within like two minutes of

797
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 5: the match and he kicked out instantly because he was

798
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 5: still full, full charged, you know. And it's just stuff

799
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 5: like that, like you don't get almost a full three

800
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 5: count two minutes into it, you know, like you stretch

801
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 5: it out and it's like psychology stuff like that.

802
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:19,399
Speaker 4: So yeah, I do I believe Ajay's Look he's he's

803
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 4: getting on up there in age too. And look he's

804
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 4: not old at all. But in our in our game,

805
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 4: when you go as hard as he's been going for

806
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 4: fifteen years now, uh, it's you're you're getting old for

807
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 4: the for the game. But he's one of, if not

808
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:39,919
Speaker 4: the best going today. In my opinion. I've seen him

809
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 4: from a young kid coming after my day day and

810
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 4: tna uh he came up and you could see it then.

811
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 4: But man, when he got to WWE, he was on

812
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 4: another level that everybody. It's just he still works and

813
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 4: this is what you're talking about, and what we're talking about.

814
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 4: He still works like it's real. He still work like

815
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 4: he wants you to suspend your disbelief, but also he

816
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 4: wants you to question your beliefs when you watch him,

817
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 4: like you go, holy crap, that was real, you know

818
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 4: what I mean. He wants you to step out on

819
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 4: that and do that. And there's not a whole lot

820
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 4: of guys that do that anymore. It's all a lot

821
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 4: of the times nowadays, it's about the gymnastic routine, you

822
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 4: know what I mean. And that's cool too, because there's

823
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 4: a market for that. But if you could mix that,

824
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 4: which aj has mixed that with the reality aspect of

825
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 4: it all. So that's why I think he's so good.

826
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,439
Speaker 2: Right our guests on the phone with us right now,

827
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 2: the road Dog, Jesse James is in the building. He's

828
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 2: just got inducted to the WWE Hall of Fame. Let's

829
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 2: talk about what's been announced so far. We've got the

830
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 2: nWo going into the Hall of Fame. Now we've got

831
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 2: Batista going into the Hall of Fame. But the one

832
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 2: thing I want to get your opinion on, it's a

833
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 2: two part question. What do you say to the fans

834
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 2: that are all of a sudden, the trolls on Twitter,

835
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 2: they're saying, why is on getting in with the nWo.

836
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,959
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I I don't know, Like I for real,

837
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 4: I thought of him as in WO and d X

838
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 4: the whole time, So I don't I don't have that

839
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 4: same question. I guess that's a legitimate question. But he

840
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 4: he was in WO, you know what I mean, He

841
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 4: wasn't Hogan and Nash, but he was right after that,

842
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,760
Speaker 4: like he was, wasn't he one of the first ones? Uh?

843
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 4: After that? And maybe I don't remember because.

844
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 5: I think so. Yeah, I think he was like the

845
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 5: fourth member, like I think he was the first one.

846
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 4: He feels like he Warren said, I just look, I

847
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 4: think a lot of people don't, uh, they under undervalue Xbox.

848
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 4: Xbox one of the smartest guys in the ring that

849
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 4: I've ever met. He made me question things that I

850
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 4: did in the ring all the time. But he was

851
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 4: properly trained, and neither me or Billy were like we

852
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 4: just kind of just kind of got into business and

853
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 4: Billy had a little bit of training then kind of

854
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 4: just fell into it too. So for for us, x

855
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:08,280
Speaker 4: POC was like just wrestling genius who you know, learning

856
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 4: It was a learned man that came to wrestling and

857
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 4: so uh, I think people underestimate him and devalue him sometimes.

858
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 4: And I also, I don't what's what's the big deal,

859
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,879
Speaker 4: you know what I mean? Like it was the it's him.

860
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 4: He didn't take anybody's spot, you know what I mean.

861
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 4: It's like, it's not like they're not going to put

862
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,320
Speaker 4: so and so in now because they gave the Xbox.

863
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 4: He's going in with the nWo again. We toyed with

864
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 4: every time we did anything. DX and nWo like was

865
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 4: staying at Mania and Uh, anytime we did any of

866
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 4: that stuff, we thought about, Man, wouldn't it be cool

867
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 4: if XPOC ripped that shirt off and he had a whatever,

868
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 4: if he had a DX shirt on he ripped it off,

869
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 4: he had an n w O shirt under there and

870
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 4: turned on us, you know what I mean?

871
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: Like that?

872
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, we literally contemplated that at Manias and what if

873
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 4: and we talked about it both ways. What if he

874
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 4: had ann W shirt on him hoard off of was

875
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 4: d X, you know? And so to me, he's always

876
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 4: been both and and the deal was he was with

877
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 4: those guys in the click uh in WWE, and so

878
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 4: it only made like that kid was just was just

879
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 4: there with Scott and Kevin and and Hunter and all

880
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 4: those and Sean and they were just all together in

881
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 4: ww Well then when it all went down and they

882
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,919
Speaker 4: went their separate ways, and then he went away with them,

883
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, And then he came back

884
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 4: here like it was just I don't know, I don't know.

885
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 4: I want to see the trolls because I don't think

886
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 4: anything I say would would make them happy anyway, you know, right.

887
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 5: Well, and it's not like it's like haul Nash Hogan

888
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 5: and then like n W A Sting or something, you

889
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 5: know what I mean, Like it's it's not I mean,

890
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:46,919
Speaker 5: it's a it's you know, he was a valuable member

891
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:48,760
Speaker 5: of the of the the group.

892
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 4: So I think if you go back and look at

893
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 4: any of their parody stuff with the horsemen and all

894
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 4: that stuff, like there was kid, he was right there

895
00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 4: with them, and he had great stuff with flash and

896
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 4: great stuff. But you know, I mean, I don't know

897
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 4: I consider him in WO. Yeah.

898
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, Because now if you could, if you could kind

899
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 2: of vote who's going into the Hall of Fame next.

900
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 2: So we've already they've already announced Innwo and Batista. If

901
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 2: you could put somebody in, who would that be? And

902
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 2: we've we've kind of I've been scrolling through Twitter and

903
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 2: a lot of people are kind of saying, you know,

904
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 2: they need another female, and some people are saying Stacy Keebler.

905
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 2: Some people are saying, you know, Bulldog, who would you

906
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 2: want to put in next?

907
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,919
Speaker 4: So it's in Tampa, right, that's where it's going down.

908
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 4: Because that's what people don't realize too, is it's is

909
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 4: it's very geographical, because look, there's gonna be another one

910
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,359
Speaker 4: next year, and another one next year and another one

911
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 4: next year. Rights there's a running out of spaces. Uh.

912
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 4: We could always put more in. But sometimes it's about

913
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 4: selling tickets too. Ye who who's going to sell out

914
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 4: this place? Uh? And n WO is going to do

915
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 4: a heck of a job selling some tickets. Look, I'd

916
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 4: love to have uh and this is just me speaking

917
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 4: from a personal standpoint. I'd love to have Owen Harden there.

918
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 4: I'd love to have Bulldog in there. I mean, the

919
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 4: whole Heart Foundation. You know, you know, Natty's dad got

920
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 4: inducted posthumously this year. But but I would love for

921
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 4: you know, Pillman. I just so so there's bigger fish

922
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 4: to fry too. There's a there's big picture stuff that

923
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:20,879
Speaker 4: a lot of the people on Twitter don't know about

924
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:21,800
Speaker 4: or don't think about.

925
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 3: Uh.

926
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 4: And and it's it's it's really none of their business either,

927
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. There's just there's just stuff

928
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 4: going on that Hey, so and so can't get inducted

929
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 4: because there's because we don't have a relationship with them,

930
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,800
Speaker 4: because there's legal, legal stuff going on, like and I

931
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 4: don't I don't know what it is either. I don't

932
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 4: know specifics, but I just know that's and it's none

933
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 4: of my business either. That's why I know them. But

934
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 4: but look, i'd love for Owen was a great friend

935
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,320
Speaker 4: of mine. Owen and me and Jeff travel a lot together.

936
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,879
Speaker 4: I saw somebody, can't I guess it was Randy say

937
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 4: Ken Shamrock, Like, look, I think everybody in the attitud

938
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 4: there has a place in there. Man, it was a

939
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 4: It was a great Ken Shamrock probably deserves to be

940
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 4: in there as much as the next guy, as much

941
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 4: as I did. I didn't think. I didn't you know,

942
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,879
Speaker 4: I figured d X would go in, but I don't

943
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 4: know that the road Dog will ever go in. I

944
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 4: don't even know if me and Billy would ever go in.

945
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 2: You got my vote if I if I was able

946
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 2: to vote on Hall of Fame like they do in

947
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 2: the NFL, I would vote for for you and the

948
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 2: New Age out Laws to go in.

949
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: I'm just going to throw that out, all right.

950
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,359
Speaker 4: I appreciate that, and look at and I do think, like, okay, well,

951
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 4: but people also over over value the Attitude era, like

952
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 4: it was only like four years, you know, three years

953
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 4: or say, wasn't that long before it became something different,

954
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 4: you know. Uh so, so it was it was a

955
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 4: really cool pivotal moment in the business and in and

956
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 4: in pop culture, and timing is everything, not just in

957
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 4: this business but in any entertainment venue. So you know,

958
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:00,760
Speaker 4: it just happened to be really awesome for a period

959
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 4: of time. You know. But to me, you could totally

960
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:08,240
Speaker 4: get any anybody from the attitude are in there of Valvinus,

961
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, There's there's moments of Valvenus

962
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 4: that I remember that were awesome. So I mean, you know,

963
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 4: I think everybody, everybody deserves a shot.

964
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:18,760
Speaker 1: Most definitely.

965
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 2: Our guest on the phone right now is the road Dog,

966
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 2: Jesse James. And one last question before we let you

967
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 2: get off here. And me and Eli have kind of

968
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:28,359
Speaker 2: been kicking this idea around and since you're you know,

969
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 2: close with Hunter and Sean and Vincent all them, can

970
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 2: you kind of like pitch them the idea of opening

971
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 2: up like a WWE Hall of Fame where fans can

972
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 2: tour the warehouse and see some of the stuff and

973
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 2: you know, maybe come down a ramp to their favorite

974
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 2: wrestler's theme song.

975
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 1: Just just throwing this out there.

976
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, and that's a great idea, and believe you meet,

977
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,359
Speaker 4: that idea has been mulled around, but what they ended

978
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 4: up deciding on is the access every year. It's the

979
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 4: access because that way, it's the kind of a traveling

980
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 4: hall of Fame. And they had to look for me.

981
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 4: They have my dad's boots and mask in there on

982
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 4: a mannequin and a glass case and the bullet Bob

983
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 4: Armstrong Hall of Fame, and they have our DX stuff

984
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 4: in there, and so because they would end up putting

985
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 4: it in like same for Connecticut. And I just don't

986
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 4: know how many people would travel to same for Connecticut

987
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 4: to go through that thing. So I don't know, and

988
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 4: maybe I'm wrong, maybe a bunch of people would. But

989
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 4: I think the idea from a business standpoint is to

990
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 4: travel it and travel it on the WrestleMania weekend, and

991
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 4: this kind of makes it a more destination kind of

992
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 4: weekend for people. You know, Look that that idea is

993
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 4: not one that has been heard, that's for sure. Nice.

994
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:48,439
Speaker 2: Well, we greatly appreciate all the time you've given us today,

995
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 2: and don't forget next Saturday. It is going down in

996
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 2: Portland Richland Park Gym, Saturday, December twenty first, seven point

997
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 2: thirty is when it starts. Tickets starting at ten dollars

998
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 2: Pro Wrestling Entertainment's eight annual Christmas for Kids charity event.

999
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 2: Get your tickets at Pro Wrestling eant dot com. The

1000
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 2: Road Dog our guests on the show today, thank you

1001
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 2: so much for spending some time with us and talking.

1002
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 4: Hey man, thank you guys so much for having me.

1003
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 4: And I do want to ask everybody it's family friendly.

1004
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 4: It ain't like the old days. They're not gonna be

1005
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 4: any broad panties matches, and I don't think anybody's gonna bleed,

1006
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 4: but bring your families out because it is for a

1007
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 4: great cause right there in Portland. So come out and

1008
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 4: see me, man, and let's hang out and shoot the

1009
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 4: breeze for a little while.

1010
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 2: That's awesome there it is, road Dog our guest, thank

1011
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:33,919
Speaker 2: you so much once again.

1012
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 4: Man, Hey guys, if you ain't done with that, I

1013
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 4: got two words for you. Thank you.

1014
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1015
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