1 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:07,119 Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson 2 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:12,639 Speaker 1: on your home of the Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio. 3 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Drive. I'm Dale Lolly here with Matt Williamson. 4 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: It's a lovely, lovely Wednesday. Here it is lovely. Weather 5 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 1: has been great lately, beautiful post easter. It's been a 6 00:00:57,320 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: good week right day like this year around that wouldn't 7 00:00:59,880 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: mid I'm a four seasons guy. But four seasons. But 8 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: you know, if we get a couple of days of 9 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: snow and then it goes back to this, not so bad. 10 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: You get the golf course at all. I have not. 11 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:12,199 Speaker 1: I've been too busy with with the work and everything. 12 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 1: I looked the other night. We're in like six days 13 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 1: into April into April, and I've already written like fourteen stories, 14 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: like three radio shows and a bunch of podcasts. Since 15 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 1: it never ends. We got a season, there's nothing going on. Yeah, 16 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:32,279 Speaker 1: we did our podcast yesterday or day before. The crux 17 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:35,400 Speaker 1: of it was, this is what teams do. They crawl 18 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: in and they start getting, you know, into their caves 19 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:41,919 Speaker 1: and their war room, and we hit you know, getting 20 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: your getting your war room. Stop making news right and 21 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: as soon as we ended the podcast, Sam Donald was 22 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: traded to the Panthers and like, Jesus, it's fun. Yeah. 23 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: I talked to some people in the Panthers organization and 24 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: they were like, you know, that kind of ruined their day. 25 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: But anyway, so uh. One of the stories that that 26 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 1: I ended up having to write yesterday was regarding Steven 27 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: Nelson in his departure from the Steelers. He earlier in 28 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 1: the day he had gone on UM Serious XM with 29 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: with Pat Kerwin and Jim Miller and on their NFL 30 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: show and said that, um, he asked for the Steelers 31 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: for an extension, they said, no, we don't We're not 32 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 1: interested in doing that right now. And but he signed 33 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: through next year. He was signed. Yeah, he'd have been 34 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 1: a free agent after this year. He then said that 35 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: he felt that he had outplayed his contract with the Steelers. 36 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:38,679 Speaker 1: No mind you he was. He was on he was 37 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 1: gonna make eight point to five million in new money 38 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: this year. Yeah, it's a pretty good it's a pretty 39 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 1: significant amount of money corners are pricing and yeah, every 40 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 1: down starting Corners don't grow on trees. I get that. 41 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: Then he said that that they never asked him to 42 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:54,919 Speaker 1: take a pay cut before releasing him. Well, Stephen, if 43 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 1: you're asking them for an extension and you think that 44 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 1: you outplayed your contract, why in the world would I 45 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: ask you to take a pay cut to stay, because 46 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 1: you're not going to do that. It's usually not how 47 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 1: negotiations go. So typically I want that, I want this 48 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: and it's more money. Well, we'd actually like you to 49 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: take a pay cut. Well, no, I think I'm worth 50 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 1: this money, is right, right? If I'm stuck in this 51 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: job and that's all I can do and times are 52 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: tough and COVID, you know that's not how the other 53 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: works though, He's gonna get jobs somewhere. So later in 54 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 1: the day, and I had written a couple of weeks 55 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: ago in my Insider that, um, you know they wanted Stephen, 56 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 1: that they wanted Cam Sutton when they signed him to 57 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: compete with Steven Nelson for a starting job on the outside. Um, 58 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: they're high one, They're high on Sutton. And you know 59 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 1: he was a free agent. He had other offers. He 60 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: was that was their priority. Obvious, that was their priority. 61 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 1: He had other offers to go other places and have 62 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: the potential to start outside. You know they could have said, well, no, 63 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: we think, we think you're the you know, we're gonna 64 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 1: give you. We're gonna give you the slop position because 65 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: Mike Hilton's gone. We think you can handleth it well, 66 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: but we don't think you can handle playing outside. Then 67 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: he signed somewhere else, right, So hopes are higher than 68 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: you're just because outside guys make more money in general. 69 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's a higher profile. You're on 70 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: the field a hundred percent of the time. You're an 71 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 1: every down player. So the Steelers, I mean Steven Nelson, 72 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 1: that's not even a knock on Nelson. Necessarily he played 73 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: well here, right, but he wasn't interested in doing that 74 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: if you think you're the And he told me here, 75 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:29,840 Speaker 1: here's this quote that he told me. He reached out 76 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: to me later in the evening um. He said, why 77 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 1: would the highest paid corner on the team ride the bench? 78 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: I never said anything about him riding the bench. I said, job, 79 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: It's not like he would not play. Uh, he said, 80 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 1: I've never ran from any competition. It's no knock on Cam, 81 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: but I'm the best, was the best corner on the team. 82 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 1: This is a simply called a cap casualty situation. Yes 83 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: and no, Yes, and no, because they could have picked Haydon, right, 84 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:00,279 Speaker 1: they could have gone with Joe Hayden. They desperately the 85 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 1: money and that's the only way they could survive cutting. 86 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: Releasing Joe Hayden want have saved him seven million against 87 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 1: the cap as opposed to eight point to five million 88 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 1: against the captain. And it's an older player. If they 89 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: had thought that Steven Nelson was remarkably better, if he's 90 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 1: clearly the one, Yeah, if he's the one, then you 91 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: then you released Joe Hayden because he's thirty two and 92 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 1: you're only saving one point two you're saving or it's 93 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: costing you an additional one point to five million. But 94 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: they could make that up somewhere else. That's not that's 95 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: not And they're right now they're twelve million under the Cape. 96 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 1: They're not up against it like they had been so interesting, 97 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I think they could have floated 98 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:45,840 Speaker 1: three pretty big corner contracts, right, you know, but they 99 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: weren't interested in extending him past this year. What don't 100 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,479 Speaker 1: you think in general they don't want a lot of 101 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: long term contracts right now. That seems to be I 102 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:57,599 Speaker 1: think I think everybody it might be a league wide 103 00:05:57,600 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: thing because everybody, well, what's the cap going to be 104 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 1: in two or three years? Right? And I just think 105 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: that this team is in a not a crossroads or 106 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:06,839 Speaker 1: a rebuild, and it's just they want to be very 107 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 1: fluid a year. You want to you want to have 108 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 1: the flexibility if that cap go Let's say it goes 109 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 1: up to two thirty million. Okay, well you don't want 110 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: to have two million in salaries already tied up. And 111 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 1: they might sign Dak Prescott, you know. You know, by 112 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:23,840 Speaker 1: the way, in the next two years, are going to 113 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: sign t. J. Watton, They're gonna have to sign Makeup Fitzpatrick. 114 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:28,039 Speaker 1: Those are gonna be two pretty big deals now you 115 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:32,280 Speaker 1: can and you've got to find a quarterback, um you know. 116 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: To to me, uh, I think it would be very 117 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: fluid in a year from now and in the future. 118 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: And the thing is, you know, you like Cam Sutton 119 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: enough that you you made him a priority resigning they 120 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: signed him on the first day. Oh that was clearly 121 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: job one. Um, you know the rest of it. They 122 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 1: didn't have to cut Steven Nelson. No. I mean, so 123 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 1: I get the feeling you think that if Nelson would 124 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: have been like, Okay, I'm open to competition. Maybe we 125 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 1: can talk contract extension down the road. You think he 126 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: might still be here perhaps, But again from his perspective, 127 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: I'm twenty I just turned twenty eight. The cap doesn't 128 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: have a lot of years left there not. They're not 129 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 1: in a lot of years left for me in the league. 130 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: The CAP's gonna go up next year if I lose 131 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: this battle to Cam Sutton, and all of a sudden, 132 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: now I'm I'm a part time I'm playing at the 133 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: Snaps even you know, even if I come in in 134 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: the you know, in the dime or Nickel and Diamond, 135 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: I'm playing outside and in Sutton moves inside. I'm still 136 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: a part time player. People are going to yeah, people 137 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: are going to view me differently. Yeah, true, and they 138 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: just obviously he might think he's better than Sutton, but 139 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: stealers might disagree because they just gave Sutting money. Yeah, 140 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: you know, and something twenty six. He compeats them every day, 141 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: and those he's good. I'll also say this, um the 142 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: Bills game last year, Okay, the they didn't have Joe 143 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: Hayden for the game, right, and so you in that game, 144 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: you saw Sutton or you saw Nelson lined up a 145 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: lot on on Diggs and it didn't work out so well, 146 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: and Digs does that to a lot of people. I 147 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: meant to say that earlier though, like to say that 148 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: you're the best corner on this team. I'm not saying 149 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: he's even wrong. He might have been, And but because 150 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:35,479 Speaker 1: they play sides, it's not as obvious, it's not as distinctive. 151 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: There wasn't always Minko wasn't always on Hayden side of 152 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 1: the field. You know that pretty much asked to do 153 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: similar things. I do know in the past, when they've 154 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: had somebody travel a little bit, it's been it's been 155 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: Hayden in history. Yeah, I'm also not saying Nelson was 156 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: a bad team guy, but you know, Hayden's a leader 157 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: and very strong team guy. And I got I've got 158 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:58,439 Speaker 1: nothing but respect for for Steven Nels. I thought he 159 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 1: played well when he was here, watching him work on 160 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: his own off the field and on the field. You know, 161 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 1: a complete pro. Somebody's gonna sign the guy. Great, good 162 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 1: for him, um, but you know, you know, he quite 163 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: frankly came after me last night and d MS and 164 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: you know, we talked it out and I said, look, man, 165 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:22,679 Speaker 1: I got that I'm not making stuff up here. This 166 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: is what I heard. I reported what I heard. Yeah, um, 167 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: quick note on that. What was I gonna say about 168 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: him when it all went down. I thought the Steelers 169 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: might have gone to him because he has played well 170 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 1: and wanted to extend him. And he might have thought 171 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: I wanted to hit free agency after this year because 172 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: my last big signing bone is paid a. Apparently that's 173 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 1: on the way. Well again, if he goes to him 174 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: and says, I'd like to talk about an extension, and 175 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 1: by the way, I think I've outplayed my contracts. I 176 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:52,719 Speaker 1: want to raise he's raise YEA similar I mean, I 177 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: guess it's the same thought process. Yeah, it's his last 178 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: chance to get Then if you're the Steelers, you go, well, 179 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: we were thinking pay cut, you know, we want to, 180 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: We wanted to. We wanted that you were similar numbers. Yeah, 181 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: in that Neighborhod because we're not gonna pay more and 182 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 1: more paying Joe. Right. But again, they the way the 183 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 1: Steelers do their their business is they get they know 184 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: who their number one guy is at every position. Now, 185 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 1: rookie contracts don't count, because that's right. But when T J. 186 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: Watt signs his new deal, he'sa be the highest paid 187 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 1: edge He's gonna be the highest paid edge guy, probably 188 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 1: their highest paid defender. Make it more dam and they 189 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: are not then going to go out and pay somebody 190 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: in free agency more than what they're paying t. J. Watt, 191 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: which is what you would have to do to see 192 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 1: typically to sign a defensive tackle or something like that. 193 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 1: That's just not how they work. They were never you know, 194 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:49,959 Speaker 1: when they had Troy paul A Maalo, he was always 195 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 1: going to be the highest paid defensive back regardless. Right, 196 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of how it's gonna like affect 197 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 1: things in the future. So let's say the Castro has 198 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: a really good year back to the player we're expect 199 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,319 Speaker 1: think him to be and dots and doesn't work out, 200 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 1: it's injured or whatever, ohligns a mess and they have 201 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: all this money. They're not gonna go sign Joe Thuney 202 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: to know, much more money than the because yeah, it 203 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: rocks the boat. In the locker room. You're like, if 204 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 1: you don't take care of your own guys, they see that, 205 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: and you know, well, you went out and signed this 206 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 1: free agent for all this money. I want more money, 207 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: you know, I've been here, I've I know the system. 208 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: I've been a team player. You know, I took less 209 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: money in the past, perhaps, you know, I could have 210 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: gotten on the open market. And now you're going out 211 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:34,559 Speaker 1: and signing this guy for more money and you're paying me. Well, 212 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: I want that money. Yeah, absolutely, And they've earned it, 213 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: and that that goes down to the generation generation around here, 214 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: and that works. I mean, I guess it would be 215 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: more palatable if you go sign Walter Jones, you know, 216 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 1: or Well, I mean, someone that was clearly the best. 217 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: But those guys aren't typically available, and then they're not 218 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: stealers either. The Steelers never go get that guy, so 219 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 1: it doesn't even matter. I mean, in general, though, teams 220 00:11:57,160 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 1: can sell that to the room of we went and 221 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: found a rare player, We're going to give him big money. 222 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:05,839 Speaker 1: But Joe Tuney isn't that guy. Yeah, I mean, who's 223 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 1: the guard that Jacksonville signed a company? Right? Like Norwell? Yeah? Right? 224 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: Give Andrew Norwell fourteen million dollars a year and he's 225 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 1: an average guard. Right, It's not like they had a 226 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 1: lot of other things. But if the Steelers would have 227 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: done that or I don't know, the Dallas with Zack 228 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,679 Speaker 1: Martin or India with Quentin Nelson. They look over and 229 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:26,439 Speaker 1: be like, I'm better him, and you're giving me you know, 230 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 1: I'm still on my original deal or whatever. Yeah, it 231 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: just doesn't drive well. And everyone understands a business, but 232 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 1: there's also personalities here and feelings and you know, like 233 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: we got to co exist. It's the same thing in 234 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: every market, Like any any job. You know, if you 235 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: and I are doing the same job and I find out, well, geez, 236 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 1: their Matt's getting paid, you know, double double what I'm getting, 237 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,079 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be happy about that, right, Like we're 238 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 1: doing the same job, or you and I've been doing 239 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:00,120 Speaker 1: killing it on the drive lately. Right, And they go 240 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,559 Speaker 1: out and they signed two dudes from Kansas City and 241 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 1: l A to do another radio show, and they're paying, 242 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 1: paying time more. You know, like that's what about us. 243 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: You could have given us some of that money. It 244 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:14,199 Speaker 1: upsets the apple cart, and that's what you don't want 245 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 1: to do. You don't want to sew that kind of pleasure. Yeah, 246 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 1: when you got fifty three guys and everybody knows what 247 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: everybody else is making, that's the other part of this. 248 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: This isn't like you know, a lot of places when 249 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 1: you go, uh, you get a job. One of the 250 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 1: things we like here is don't talk about how much 251 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 1: you're getting paid. And that's that's pretty common around you know, 252 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 1: in a regular workforce. Well in this situation, everybody knows 253 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 1: what you're getting paid. I mean, think about all the 254 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:43,199 Speaker 1: different walks of life's over the years where minorities or 255 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:46,319 Speaker 1: women were making a fraction of what you know, others 256 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:48,319 Speaker 1: were making and they didn't know it, right, I mean, 257 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: maybe they came up after drinks, you know whatever, because 258 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 1: and then what happens, well, why why doing the same 259 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: job exactly? And you know, and the other part of 260 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 1: it is, you know, you just again you can't upset 261 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 1: the apple cart in the locker room. This is a 262 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:09,559 Speaker 1: situation where you see it all the time. With these 263 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:13,319 Speaker 1: contracts that are signed. The numbers that are put out 264 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 1: there aren't the true numbers. He got us, he got 265 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 1: seventy five million, Well he's only gonna see forty That 266 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 1: will wherever will. But but it's all about those those 267 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: optics because guys are interested in well, I'm the highest 268 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 1: paid offensive lineman in the league. You are right now, 269 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 1: and then when you get released in two years, you're not. 270 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: I mean, I think I mentioned Trent Williams. He's now 271 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: the highest paid line in the league by ten thousand dollars. 272 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: He wanted to be number one. He wanted to be 273 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 1: number one, which is like a penny. It might sound childish, 274 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 1: it might sound yeah, petty, but for you know, one 275 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: point I was, you know, ten years from one point, Trent, 276 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: you can say I was the highest paid offensive lineman 277 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: in the league. Um. Back to the corner room, though, 278 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: with all respect to Joe, I think he they want 279 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 1: him to be the alpha in that room, and he's 280 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: earned that. But what if his play drops a little, 281 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 1: you know, like I mean, I don't know if this 282 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 1: will be his last year in town or not, but 283 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: there could do they look to Sutton and think, a 284 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: year from now, with no Nelson or Hayden, you're at 285 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: least the alpha. Maybe you're not our best player, maybe 286 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: we drafted a guy who's super exciting or whatever. But 287 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: there's a that's it's a little bit of a turning 288 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 1: point in the corner room right now. Here's the here's 289 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: the thing. And actually just wrote a piece for Steelers 290 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: dot Com about this and talked about it last night 291 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 1: on another podcast. I see Cam Sutton as the next 292 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: in line in the day Towns and William Gay Cam 293 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: Sutton lineage. If you look back, you know they drafted 294 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: these guys in the middle mid rounds. They're all they're 295 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 1: all three of them are mid round picks. All three 296 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: of them started out as slot cornerbacks. Learned setting you're 297 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: the starter, yeah, learned the defense, learned how to play 298 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 1: safety in the defense, learned you know, you're the dime linebacker, 299 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 1: you're the outside you know he could play outside. Yeah, 300 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: You're asked to do everything. And then those guys eventually 301 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: become full time starters on the outside as well, and 302 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 1: term and long term Steelers who were there for ten years. 303 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 1: You know, each one of those guys can teach. And yeah, 304 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: maybe not the most talented guy in the field. They're 305 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: not the four to forty guy. That's sixs why they 306 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 1: were mid round draft picks. But where they are talented 307 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: is above the neck. Without question. No, that's a good one. Um, 308 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 1: there's definitely some recency biased here, but I might take 309 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 1: Sutton over those guys. Yeah, I mean he might have 310 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: a little higher ceiling. I think they asked their They 311 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: asked their corners to do different things now too, they're 312 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: playing more man than the shade. Townsend was a great 313 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: zone cornerback fit what they wanted. Yeah, good point. No, 314 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: he's exactly that. Yeah. So, and if you look at it, 315 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: all three of their careers overlapped by a year or two. 316 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: Townsend was here and and Gay Kit was drafted at 317 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 1: the end of his career, and then that Gay was here, 318 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 1: and and Sutton was drafted in gays final year here. 319 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 1: So it's it's the same GM, it's the same you know, 320 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 1: it's the same logic. They realized how valuable to Shay 321 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: and those guys were. Let's keep that going. We see 322 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: the same traits in him. We love having him in 323 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 1: the building. He's a positive influence. Um, he could play 324 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: anywhere in the you know, in that secondary, anywhere in 325 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: the defense. And we often do this when we do 326 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:23,360 Speaker 1: mock drafts. So maybe it's time to get the next 327 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,400 Speaker 1: one that doesn't play much this year, or maybe it's 328 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 1: next year's project. Right, there's another one coming. Then there's 329 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: not gonna be three in a row, and then we 330 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: just forget it. Get that get that you know, mid 331 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: round corner whose best trait is above the neck. You know, 332 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: when you put him on the you put him on 333 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 1: the whiteboard, he can draw up exactly what I'm just 334 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:43,119 Speaker 1: gonna pick a school Clemson's defense did on you know, 335 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: here's well, here's what we did, what we were trying 336 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: to do when we ran this defense. And he and 337 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 1: he can tell you what every position on the field 338 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,360 Speaker 1: was supposed to do. Whereas you get some corners. When 339 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: my job is covered, this guy, I don't care what 340 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 1: everybody anybody else. Right. It's funny because now I'm thinking 341 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:00,679 Speaker 1: about what we talked about, how we talk about Sutton 342 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 1: when he was drafted, because I remember talking about he 343 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: was a very good punt returner early in his career. 344 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:09,360 Speaker 1: He went to the Senior Bowl and played a lot 345 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:11,239 Speaker 1: of safety that that week, because I think they were 346 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 1: short on safety. It's not like he was projected to 347 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 1: be a safety. Obviously a lot of special teams background. 348 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 1: He was a team captain at Tennessee. And I remember 349 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: Mr Rooney sat down with us after probably the early 350 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:25,959 Speaker 1: day two of the draft, back when we were at 351 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: the facility broadcasting, and hopefully we can get back to 352 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:30,880 Speaker 1: doing that. And the first thing he said about that 353 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:33,439 Speaker 1: draft class was and this is when some of the 354 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 1: A B things were going on and there were some rumblings. 355 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: He said, we want high character team captain football guys. 356 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 1: He was like the perfect example, and you know that's 357 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:47,439 Speaker 1: Cam Sutton in a nutshell exactly exactly. It all adds up, 358 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 1: so um yeah, I mean, so you know that's that's 359 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 1: what they've trended towards over the years. You know, it's again, 360 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 1: maybe not the most flashy guy out there is. You know, 361 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 1: he's not gonna go out and Reeve sit up and 362 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 1: play man coverage and Jerry Rice and you know, Dion 363 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 1: and Woodson and those guys. But if that guy's your 364 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:09,439 Speaker 1: eighth best defensive starter and those where you know it 365 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:11,439 Speaker 1: gets everybody else lined up and does the you know 366 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 1: those kind of thing, that's there's value in that. And 367 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:17,919 Speaker 1: those corners I mentioned Patrick Peterson and Ramsey and those guys, 368 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: they're not there at twenty four. They're not there when 369 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 1: Kevin Colbert is usually making his first pick. And this 370 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:27,919 Speaker 1: is stereotypical, but a lot of those guys aren't necessarily 371 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:31,159 Speaker 1: team first players. That that's an arrogant position. That's a 372 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: kind of there's a reason you're on that island. You're 373 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: worried about yourself. I mean, how heck. I I helped 374 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: to recruit Reeves to Pitt and I was always in 375 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 1: his corner. But that guy was a mercenary late in 376 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 1: his career. I mean, think whatever, the most Moneys, you know, 377 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 1: all those guys, you know, you see that a lot 378 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: at that position. Well, I can I can play in 379 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 1: any defense because I'm gonna line up and cover that 380 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: dude Ramsey caused waves in Jacksonville and trade him to Rams. 381 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:58,120 Speaker 1: But if you've got that kind of guy, you need 382 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: players like a Sutton. Yes, who can do you know? Okay, 383 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 1: we're gonna flip flo up sides here, Okay, I know 384 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: what I'm doing over here. And this guy went in motion, 385 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: got him and right right right without question. You know, 386 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:13,160 Speaker 1: I always thought that, you know, already Burns physically had 387 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:16,440 Speaker 1: the talent to play cornerback in the Steelers system. Yeah, 388 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:19,439 Speaker 1: but it was the above the next stuff that was 389 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,680 Speaker 1: the issue with you know, Okay, you know you'd see 390 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 1: you'd see a broken coverage and everybody else was playing 391 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 1: zone and Already was still playing man or vice versa 392 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:30,120 Speaker 1: or something like you know, he didn't pass somebody off 393 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: at the right time, or or didn't pick somebody up 394 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 1: when they were passed off, and that's where the problems arose. 395 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: You have to understand the you know, the concepts and 396 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: another scheme. Burns might have worked out a lot better. 397 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: I thought, if if he went to a team that 398 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 1: played nothing that straight man, you got him. He's fine, 399 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:50,239 Speaker 1: had the talent to do so. And I remember that 400 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,640 Speaker 1: off season two, that was the summer, this time of year, 401 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: all of us were talking about they need to play 402 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:57,919 Speaker 1: more man coverage because bradies of the world pick them apart. 403 00:20:58,000 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 1: And you know, yeah, and they did, and they brought 404 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: in but the defense got good without having to do 405 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: that flipped so much so he was a little bit 406 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 1: of a square peg groundhole guy. And I think that 407 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 1: above the next stuff is correct me if I'm wrong here, 408 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:17,479 Speaker 1: is that the most difficult thing to judge with the player, 409 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: probably for a corner too, you know, I mean this 410 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 1: is stereotypical too, but like it's I don't need my 411 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:30,640 Speaker 1: corners to necessarily be super smart. If the scheme dictates, 412 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:32,640 Speaker 1: they don't have to be there, you know what I mean. 413 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:36,159 Speaker 1: The Steelers need smart football and and they might be 414 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: smart off the field and you know whatever, they need 415 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:42,200 Speaker 1: to be smart to recognize understand how their assignments change 416 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 1: on the fly. Because when I say matchup zones, those 417 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 1: are okay, it looks like zone coverage, but it quickly 418 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,920 Speaker 1: becomes man, you know, like I'm not passing him off 419 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 1: to the linebacker on the cross or the safety or whatever. 420 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 1: And this instance, I gotta wrung with him and he's 421 00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 1: my dude. All of a sudden he came in my zone. 422 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 1: He's not leaving my and the Steelers do that play 423 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,400 Speaker 1: that a lot, a lot a lot. And that's why 424 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 1: you know, when when people are grading outside of the 425 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 1: organizations and stuff, they don't know, they have no idea 426 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 1: because it starts his zone, it starts as man. There's 427 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: so many different coverages. I mean, I have a hard 428 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: time with it. I mean, if you if you study, um, 429 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:22,920 Speaker 1: not not to mention, if one guy makes a mistake, 430 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 1: then us as evaluators have no clue what the coverage was. 431 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: You assume they're right, and if they're not right, they're 432 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:32,439 Speaker 1: like giving you the wrong answers to that. Yeah, so 433 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,360 Speaker 1: it's it's all you know, it goes back to well, 434 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: the Steelers can't draft cornerbacks for defensive backs, where are 435 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 1: they drafted them at? I like your observation of the 436 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: Shay William Gay Sutton similar pass that could do a 437 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:51,160 Speaker 1: lot of stuff, you know, smart, they're Swiss army nudge, Yeah, 438 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,159 Speaker 1: Swiss army knife. And I don't know that you can 439 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 1: ever have enough of those guys. I think you're right, 440 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 1: especially today. I mean, you'd prefer to have seven stars 441 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 1: on the back end. But that's not a listic that. Yeah, 442 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 1: but if you've got those Swiss army knives that can 443 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 1: do a little bit of everything and do it, you know, 444 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 1: doing a credible enough job to you know that that 445 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 1: works too. Yeah. I mean in today's NFL, defenses are 446 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 1: at such an advantage. This goes back to line the 447 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: linebacker conversations. I might rather have a defensive player, especially 448 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:24,439 Speaker 1: the back seven, that has fewer weaknesses than one that 449 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,400 Speaker 1: has great strengths. Yeah, you know what I mean, because 450 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: they're gonna pick on your if I've got four guys 451 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,160 Speaker 1: back there in my in my two corners and two 452 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,880 Speaker 1: safeties who are pretty good across the board, but not 453 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 1: maybe not great at anything, which because really Nelson Hayden. Yeah, 454 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,159 Speaker 1: I can. I can have a pretty good defense if 455 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,640 Speaker 1: those four guys, if I've got three guys who are 456 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,640 Speaker 1: who are who are average, or if I've got one 457 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 1: guy who's really below average, he's gonna get there. They're 458 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 1: gonna find him, right, I mean that was bost You 459 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,199 Speaker 1: know they're gonna find that. Teams are gonna pick on that, 460 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 1: and they're gonna pick that scab and just keep picking 461 00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: at it until it bleeds. And I know through all 462 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 1: has been he's gotten some arrows from Steelers Nation. I 463 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 1: don't think he's got the big weakness either, like the 464 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 1: fact that he doesn't show up on tape. So I 465 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 1: think one thing that hurts him is he doesn't show 466 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,160 Speaker 1: up like on tape or on TV like Troy did 467 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,199 Speaker 1: you think strong safety? He should be making player. He 468 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 1: doesn't make the big plays that Minka does, you know, 469 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 1: right right right exactly, But he doesn't get picked on 470 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 1: at think team's scheme all week too. We can get guys, 471 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 1: and we could we could take advantage of Edmonds here, right. 472 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 1: I don't see that week the week at all, you know, 473 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 1: and you don't see him just like everybody else, but 474 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: missing a bunch of tackles and things of that, right, right, right, 475 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:38,439 Speaker 1: he's a well rounded player. Yeah. So anyways, Uh, I 476 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,439 Speaker 1: just thought that was interesting draft. I bet that's what 477 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,360 Speaker 1: they're gonna be after when they add another corner. Yeah, 478 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 1: you look in those middle rounds for a guy that 479 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,959 Speaker 1: you know can be that kind of player, that kind 480 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,679 Speaker 1: of player, you know, an inside outside Uh you know, 481 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 1: maybe he's your backup sae free safety or something like that, 482 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 1: get you out of the game as a safety or whatever. Right, 483 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 1: you know, if you can find those kind of guys, 484 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,400 Speaker 1: they have a lot of value until they have actually, 485 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,919 Speaker 1: if it happens, become a starter. Yes, and they have 486 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 1: a history of at all positions. So I was thinking 487 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: an offensive lineman to you know, give me guys who 488 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,879 Speaker 1: can do two or three things if they're not the 489 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 1: number one center or right tackle or whatever. Yea, without question. 490 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: But yeah, um, I just thought it was interesting that that, 491 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 1: you know, that that all came down, you know, here 492 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 1: a week afterwards, and I'm a little shot Nelson doesn't 493 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:27,400 Speaker 1: have a job yet. I mean, I'm sure he will. 494 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:29,640 Speaker 1: I'm not when he said he said ten to fifteen 495 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 1: teams contact his agents tough time a year to get high. 496 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 1: It is a tough time. But again, you know, he 497 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 1: got cut loose a week indo free like, it wasn't 498 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: even a full week into free agency. It's late in 499 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: the process, but it's not dooms past doomsday or right. Yeah, 500 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 1: it's not like you got cut after the draft or 501 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 1: before right before. And I'm sure many teams are waiting 502 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 1: until the draft before they sign a starter. They probably 503 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 1: have a lot of their starters looked up. But I mean, 504 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 1: he's got good tape. He's good tape. There's been a 505 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 1: solid player. It just comes down to maybe what are 506 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: you asking for? You know, if are you asking for 507 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 1: the moon, because right now nobody has the moon. Money 508 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 1: situation around the league is not you know, I'm not 509 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 1: saying the bridges burned, but I wonder if he calls 510 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,879 Speaker 1: the Steelers back up and says, hey, you know, let's 511 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: do it again. I mean, it seems like that ship 512 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,199 Speaker 1: is I think that ship may have, yeah, might be 513 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: h on its way out the the harbor and maybe 514 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:29,679 Speaker 1: want to replace them with youth, or they're high on 515 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 1: lane or you know, all those things factor into we 516 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 1: need to mention lane. 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