WEBVTT - Oh My God I Hate The Left

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<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George

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<v Speaker 1>Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty, I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Strong and gay and he Armstrong and Getty.

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<v Speaker 3>The FDA has approved a drug called Foundeo.

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<v Speaker 2>It's made by Eli Lilly.

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<v Speaker 3>It's given as a daily pill, and it works similarly

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<v Speaker 3>to drugs like ozembic, Wagov, and zep bound by mimicking

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<v Speaker 3>a hormone known as GLP one. This one follows another

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<v Speaker 3>pill that was approved in December hit the market earlier

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<v Speaker 3>this year, called the Wagov pill, sold by Novo Nordisk,

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<v Speaker 3>and Eli Lilly says that it's drug represents an advance

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<v Speaker 3>compared with that pill because Foundeo doesn't need to be

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<v Speaker 3>taken at any particular time of day or with any

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<v Speaker 3>restrictions on food and water, whereas the Wagov pill must

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<v Speaker 3>be taken right when you wake up in the morn

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<v Speaker 3>on an empty stomach.

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<v Speaker 2>So they're getting sounds like easier to take these various pills.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. If you watch the TNT show on

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<v Speaker 2>about the NBA playoffs are about to get going. In

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<v Speaker 2>the NBA, Charles Barkley is like half his size because

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<v Speaker 2>he's on one of these drugs. He's lost over one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred pounds. He was like three thirty at his heaviest,

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<v Speaker 2>even for a tall guy, that's a lot of weight.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's getting close to his playing weight from back

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<v Speaker 2>when he was a fairly thin NBA player. But he's

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<v Speaker 2>lost over one hundred pounds on this drug. And I

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<v Speaker 2>know somebody that I assume is doing this, quite a

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<v Speaker 2>big woman who's now quite thin and in a short

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<v Speaker 2>amount of time. It's it's kinda feel like the miracle

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<v Speaker 2>drug you've been wanting forever for a lot of people. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I always wonder about the long term thing, just

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<v Speaker 4>as a guy who's lost weight and gained it back

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<v Speaker 4>againlike everybody does. But there's no question that it's even

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<v Speaker 4>if you're lighter for a while, it's pretty good for you.

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<v Speaker 2>If you stay on it, you stay thin, won't you.

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<v Speaker 4>M Yeah, Well, And I talked to my doctor, who's

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<v Speaker 4>just a terrific guy and a terrific doctor, and he said,

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<v Speaker 4>I've had virtually nothing but success with it. People tolerated beautifully,

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<v Speaker 4>had great results on the floe.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, that's awesome.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, because you know how it is if there's a

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<v Speaker 4>news article that says these drugs are tolerated by most

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<v Speaker 4>people and do a nice job.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not I'm going to think, oh, that's good. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not going to click on it. If I see horrific.

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<v Speaker 4>Side effects of wig Gobi, will get tongues whacking.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's hard not to click right right.

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<v Speaker 4>So you get an outsized idea of the downsides which exist.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, consult your physician. Speaking of doctors, told the

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<v Speaker 2>story yesterday about how outraged I get when I'm at

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<v Speaker 2>the doctor's office with my kid. This happened the other

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<v Speaker 2>day getting a physical and I'm asked to leave the room,

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<v Speaker 2>and I stupidly did it. I mostly did it because

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't want to embarrass my son. I hadn't talked

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<v Speaker 2>to him about ahead of time. I will never do

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<v Speaker 2>it again now that I have thought it through and

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<v Speaker 2>heard from some of you good people. I mean, if

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<v Speaker 2>i'd have thought it through for a second, what are

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<v Speaker 2>they gonna do? Tell me, I my son.

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<v Speaker 4>Can't get a physical, kick me out on to the ground, exactly,

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<v Speaker 4>Cuff you and take your child away from you.

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<v Speaker 2>And I also I asked the woman and very nice person,

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<v Speaker 2>and I told her. I said, you're just doing your job.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the hospital policy. I said, is this a hospital

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<v Speaker 2>thing or a government thing? You know, it's a combination

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<v Speaker 2>of this and that and blah blah blah. And apparently

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<v Speaker 2>a friend of mine in Tennessee who used to live

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<v Speaker 2>in California and left for Tennessee, like so many people

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<v Speaker 2>have said, they don't do that in Tennessee. They don't

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<v Speaker 2>ask you to leave the room to talk to your

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<v Speaker 2>kid alone. I found it. I find it outrageous, absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>beyond the pale to step in as the we're the authority.

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<v Speaker 2>We know what's good and what's best. That guy, your

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<v Speaker 2>dad does not the what kind of message that's into

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<v Speaker 2>your kid? Oh my god. It's awful on so many

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<v Speaker 2>different levels. But anyway, finding out it's not universal is

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<v Speaker 2>helpful to me, and I hope you all finding out

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<v Speaker 2>that you can just say no now, I'm not going

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<v Speaker 2>to do that. Ask any questions you want in front

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<v Speaker 2>of me. That's the way we're going to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Here.

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<v Speaker 4>I got a note from a physician friend in California

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<v Speaker 4>who said, hey, I've got a name of a doctor

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<v Speaker 4>for Jack that they don't pull out crap. It's like

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<v Speaker 4>the best guidance of the AMA and stuff like that,

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<v Speaker 4>that you ought to do this, and you're more progressive

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<v Speaker 4>health organizations, especially in your more lefty places.

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<v Speaker 2>They're like, yes, that is a great idea. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>surprised that in the town that I live in that

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<v Speaker 2>they lean that direction. I love my dosher, but I

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<v Speaker 2>would imagine that the hospital he works at they tell

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<v Speaker 2>them to do that. Yeah. Yeah, boy.

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<v Speaker 4>We got a ton of emails about that. Some of

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<v Speaker 4>them kind of restate what I just said.

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder how.

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<v Speaker 4>Many people completely unbothered by it at all, go along

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<v Speaker 4>with it and think, well, that makes sense that the

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<v Speaker 4>government or some other institution is stepping in as the

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<v Speaker 4>the authority between me and my child.

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<v Speaker 2>So thanks to.

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<v Speaker 4>Everybody who wrote really interesting stuff. But I've picked three

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<v Speaker 4>emails in particular that I think are terrific. First of all,

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<v Speaker 4>Brian and Santa rosa first time a doctor or their

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<v Speaker 4>assistant asked me, I'm trying to have the other have

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<v Speaker 4>you leave the room while I talk to my child.

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<v Speaker 4>I asked them where they went to school, in a

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<v Speaker 4>series of other questions. Then I told them that they

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<v Speaker 4>would have to wait until I researched their background. I

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<v Speaker 4>don't just let anybody talk to my child alone. If

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<v Speaker 4>they graduated from college in the last few years. I

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<v Speaker 4>bring up the statistics of how easy it is to

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<v Speaker 4>get through medical school these days. I ask them what

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<v Speaker 4>their religion is, what their beliefs are, and if they're woke.

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<v Speaker 4>I was the same way when my children were young.

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<v Speaker 4>Now it's my grandson. His dad reluctantly agrees with me.

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<v Speaker 4>Good for you, Brian.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that.

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<v Speaker 4>The terrific JT and livermore rights. I've always hated that concept,

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<v Speaker 4>but I've asking the parent to leave the room. But

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<v Speaker 4>I've never given it much thought as to why now

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<v Speaker 4>I have. For me, it isn't because I feel like

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<v Speaker 4>the state is temporarily temporarily taking over my parenting function,

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<v Speaker 4>or they think they care more about my kids than

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<v Speaker 4>I do. The problem is that it goes against the

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<v Speaker 4>Fourth Amendment Illegal search and seizure, either literally or culturally.

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<v Speaker 4>They are fishing for proof of a crime without the

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<v Speaker 4>slightest provocation that anything is wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>It's one I mean, what else would it be? What

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<v Speaker 2>else would it be?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, if it's not a presumption of guilt, it's a

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<v Speaker 4>presumption that everyone must be screened.

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<v Speaker 2>And asked to leave the room.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, I know that the doctor or nurse is not

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<v Speaker 4>a representative of the government, but aren't they a proxy

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<v Speaker 4>of a sort, given that doctors and nurses are subject

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<v Speaker 4>to required to report laws. But if a policeman or

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<v Speaker 4>other government representative can't illegally search my child, perhaps in

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<v Speaker 4>even the barest indication of a crime that's been committed,

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<v Speaker 4>then they can't outsource that illegal search via proxy. What

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<v Speaker 4>else can a health professional ask that a cause I

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<v Speaker 4>related to the kid's health? Can they ask my kid

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<v Speaker 4>if I ever smoke crack, or if I share my

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<v Speaker 4>prescription painkills with my brother in law or hurt his back,

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<v Speaker 4>or if I've ever driven them somewhere after having a beer.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I gotta say I am highly embarrassed that I

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<v Speaker 2>did step out of the room. My kids have been

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<v Speaker 2>coached up on the gun question. We don't answer that

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<v Speaker 2>question because I got outraged about that many years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>If you were listening, you remember, like, you don't get

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<v Speaker 2>to freaking ask that question. What the hell way me

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<v Speaker 2>take my blood pressure, figure out my cholesterol, and then

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<v Speaker 2>I'll go home? Yeah? Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>And then finally, this from Brian the cop great note

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<v Speaker 4>on a couple of different topics. Uh, He says, want

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<v Speaker 4>to provide a perspective about how healthcare professionals. Professionals are

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<v Speaker 4>failing at risk children. In law enforcement, we have reasonable suspicion,

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<v Speaker 4>which leads us to begin an investigation into a possible crime.

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<v Speaker 4>When it goes further, we'd begin to develop probable cause

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<v Speaker 4>to continue to investigate and make an arrest. While health

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<v Speaker 4>care workers in California have made separating parents from their

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<v Speaker 4>children in order to discover abuse or neglect through a

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<v Speaker 4>process they put all families through, they stop using their

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<v Speaker 4>training and instincts to look for clues of neglect and abuse.

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<v Speaker 4>They do this believing the process they now use will

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<v Speaker 4>expose the abusers. Now that every parent is a possible subject,

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<v Speaker 4>they stop noticing the reasonable suspicion in the parents. They

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<v Speaker 4>would hopefully notice it in the vast majority of parents

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<v Speaker 4>don't abuse their kids. But now you're blending all parents together,

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<v Speaker 4>and it makes it easier, in my opinion, to hide

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<v Speaker 4>the clues you would have noticed before.

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<v Speaker 2>That's an interesting perspective.

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<v Speaker 4>And then, as a guy who is a certified drug investigator,

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<v Speaker 4>he says, judging by the description of Tiger woods by

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<v Speaker 4>the roadside. He was on a lot more than narcanic

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<v Speaker 4>narcotic analgesics. Really specifically his his wide pupils, his dilated pupils,

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<v Speaker 4>because if he was on what everybody thinks he was on,

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<v Speaker 4>simply they caused contracted pupils.

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<v Speaker 2>He had hydro codone pills in his pocket, so that

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't make your pupils.

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<v Speaker 4>Dilate, not according to this guy, to get drug crimes. Yeah, uh,

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<v Speaker 4>that's funny.

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<v Speaker 2>And here's another failure of the media. It would take

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<v Speaker 2>one I could do it during the commercials to check

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<v Speaker 2>and see this hydra codone caused your pupils to dilate.

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<v Speaker 2>But because everybody did that, the news as if clearly assigned.

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<v Speaker 2>Well is it? That's what you know?

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<v Speaker 4>One of the epithets I throw at the media during

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<v Speaker 4>my frequent screeds is incurious. Yeah, that's the most amazing thing.

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<v Speaker 4>Jack and I have observed that so many times. This

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<v Speaker 4>is the according to authorities, this is the second highest

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<v Speaker 4>number of this ever.

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder, okay, well, what's everybody wondering what was the highest?

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<v Speaker 2>When was it? How much was it?

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<v Speaker 5>Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder what else Tiger is doing? Then?

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<v Speaker 4>Microdosin aketemy, that's what all the rich hipsters are doing,

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<v Speaker 4>and and the psilocybin, the magic mushroom war.

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<v Speaker 2>What if he's into bimbification? What if it all comes together?

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<v Speaker 2>Not sure how that ties in.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't want to stomp your theory out before it.

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<v Speaker 4>There's a chance to get going.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to talk to a legal expert coming up

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<v Speaker 2>in a little bit about how the oral arguments went yesterday.

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<v Speaker 2>You say there are some complicated and birthrights case. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you say there are some complicated reasons that it might

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<v Speaker 2>make sense that we allow any child born in this

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<v Speaker 2>country to be automatically as c.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and or we would have to specifically write laws

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<v Speaker 4>to change the way it currently works.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I want to hear about that. So we lots

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<v Speaker 2>on the way. Stay here, Why do you want to

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<v Speaker 2>be here? Why do you love space? Why do you

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<v Speaker 2>love being a part of history? We're going back to

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<v Speaker 2>the fucking moon. That's why an excited little kid who

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<v Speaker 2>watched the Space Lawn with a foul mouth.

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<v Speaker 4>Did I hear it like a re he said freakin'

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<v Speaker 4>in the tape? I saw, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, We're going back to the freaking moon.

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<v Speaker 4>I love that. That's right, son, that's right, and you're

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<v Speaker 4>right to be excited. This is a great country and

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<v Speaker 4>we do great things and we better beat China to

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<v Speaker 4>the moon. Stay tuned for hour four. We're gonna go

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<v Speaker 4>big on the space race and how serious it is.

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<v Speaker 2>He emphasized the wrong thing, though he's supposed to emphasize

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<v Speaker 2>that it's the first one legged, half Asian, half Jewish,

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<v Speaker 2>trans woman, or whatever identity politics they always throw at

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<v Speaker 2>us with every space mission.

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<v Speaker 4>I know, I saw that headline in what was the

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<v Speaker 4>USA today or something? Oh, shut up with that. Are

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<v Speaker 4>they a great astronaut?

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<v Speaker 2>Good? They studied hard. Give them credit for their expertise.

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<v Speaker 4>Not the color of their skin or who they like

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<v Speaker 4>to sex up. Oh my god, I hate the left.

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<v Speaker 4>I found this very interesting. Listen to this one you

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<v Speaker 4>speaking of the Artemist's mission.

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<v Speaker 2>The crew of Artemists two now bound for the Moon.

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<v Speaker 6>The Artemists two mission is underway, four astronauts on a

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<v Speaker 6>ten day mission of the Moon and back. The Orion

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<v Speaker 6>spacecraft lifting off powered by that massive three hundred and

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<v Speaker 6>twenty two foot tall, six million pound rocket packed with

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<v Speaker 6>more than seven hundred thousand gallons of liquid oxygen and

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<v Speaker 6>hydrogen passing one minute, approaching maxque before launch teams checking

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<v Speaker 6>those suits then, just as astronauts have done in pass missions,

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<v Speaker 6>a bit of superstition, playing cards until everyone loses a

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<v Speaker 6>hand to leave bad luck behind.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, like ye, Sharia law loses a hand? Like that

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<v Speaker 2>sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh you misunderstand jack a hand of cards. In other words,

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<v Speaker 4>an individual little game within the game. Oh that's an

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<v Speaker 4>interesting superstition though, Now what the heck if that helps

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<v Speaker 4>set your mind at ease as you strap yourself on top.

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<v Speaker 2>Of a bomb and get vaulted in the space. Do

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<v Speaker 2>whatever helps.

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<v Speaker 4>So, speaking of the burning of fuel, I thought it

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<v Speaker 4>was interesting. I was just going through email, and we

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<v Speaker 4>get a heck of a lot of it. And notice

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<v Speaker 4>we have a handful of people all asking the same question.

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<v Speaker 4>In essence, if we don't depend on the straits of

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<v Speaker 4>horror moves, as Donald Trump has said repeatedly, then why

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<v Speaker 4>are our gas prices going so high? And I was

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<v Speaker 4>mildly surprised that some of the people asking that, But

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<v Speaker 4>then you know, everybody studies different things, and those different

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<v Speaker 4>things here's the answer.

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<v Speaker 2>It's fairly simple. Number one, oil is a global commodity.

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<v Speaker 4>And I'm reading now, think of the world's oil supply

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<v Speaker 4>like a single giant bathtub. Even if we're only dipping

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<v Speaker 4>our cup into the North American side of the tub,

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<v Speaker 4>when someone pulls the plug in the Middle East side,

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<v Speaker 4>the water levels drops for everybody. The twenty percent rule,

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<v Speaker 4>roughly twenty percent of the world's total oil supply passed

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<v Speaker 4>through that narrow strait. And you can see how if

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<v Speaker 4>prices skyrocket in Asia, for instance, the prices kind of react.

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<v Speaker 2>All over the world. It's global market.

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<v Speaker 4>There's also a difference in the kinds of oil different

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<v Speaker 4>countries used from different places.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think that's what why the global market thing

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<v Speaker 2>plays in. Is weird we're doing a different kind of oil,

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<v Speaker 2>because otherwise, couldn't we just go isolated. Couldn't we just

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<v Speaker 2>stay out of the global market, pump our own oil,

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<v Speaker 2>use our own oil, and just stay out of the

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<v Speaker 2>global global market in the same way, typically in the

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<v Speaker 2>same way that I could make my own beer and

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<v Speaker 2>charge myself for whatever I want to charge.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, yeah, but that would be a complete restructuring of

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<v Speaker 4>how oil markets have always worked.

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<v Speaker 2>So it would be I think, is enormous, completely independent.

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<v Speaker 4>You're a market tools drill, baby drill, Oh, tariff baby tariff,

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<v Speaker 4>let's see.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 4>And then there's the way the oil markets work, and

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<v Speaker 4>and gas is, you know, obviously refined oil. The fear

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<v Speaker 4>premium what they call because it's all based on the

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<v Speaker 4>futures market. Gas prices often jumped before a single barrel

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<v Speaker 4>of oil is actually lost traders on the commodities market

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<v Speaker 4>by oil futures contracts for oil to be delivered months

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<v Speaker 4>from now.

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<v Speaker 2>That's how it works.

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<v Speaker 4>When a critical choke point like the straight orform moves

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<v Speaker 4>is threatened closed, traders panic and bid prices higher to

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<v Speaker 4>hedge against a future shortage. That fear premium is passed

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<v Speaker 4>directly to gas stations almost immediately. And I could get

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<v Speaker 4>into some more details, but that's it. The short answer

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<v Speaker 4>is it's a global market and always has been.

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<v Speaker 2>Hired somebody making this point. A lot of the politicians

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<v Speaker 2>that are making the loudest noises about the price of oil,

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<v Speaker 2>slash the price of gas and how awful it is

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<v Speaker 2>are from states where they artificially keep the price of

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<v Speaker 2>gas high to try to drive you into electric cars.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh great, like California. The whole point of our gas

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<v Speaker 2>being so high. A lot of the taxes is hoping

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<v Speaker 2>that you'll stop driving, you'll start car pooling, you get

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<v Speaker 2>an electric car, all that sort of stuff. But when

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<v Speaker 2>Trump launches this war, then you scream and yell about

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<v Speaker 2>the price of gas like you care. You love it

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<v Speaker 2>being high. You want people to stop driving gas barred cars. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>they're just so utterly dishonest. That's discouraging. God. I was

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<v Speaker 2>driving over the weekend to UH San Francisco and and

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<v Speaker 2>they've expanded the Diamond lane the carpool lane. It used

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<v Speaker 2>to be just a very short portion of light drive.

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<v Speaker 2>Now it's the entire way and it's just empty. There's

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<v Speaker 2>nobody in it. Oh and it's seven days a week.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why I'm so mad about it. It's all day

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<v Speaker 2>Saturday too, So on Saturday you have the carpool lane.

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<v Speaker 2>So you're taking away in some cases twenty five percent

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<v Speaker 2>of the lanes because there's only four lanes that anybody

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<v Speaker 2>can drive on, And so traffic is horrible on a

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<v Speaker 2>Saturday at eleven am because a quarter of the lanes

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<v Speaker 2>you can't use. It accomplishes nothing other than.

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<v Speaker 4>Every responsible study has shown that it either accomplishes nothing

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<v Speaker 4>or makes pollution worse.

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<v Speaker 2>That's correct.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's what it's like, a superstitious gesture by the

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<v Speaker 4>environmental left. It does nothing well that and it's the

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<v Speaker 4>goal is to make you miserable enough that you'll take

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<v Speaker 4>the train or carpool or some bs that they think

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<v Speaker 4>they're gonna make us do, which we never are. So

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<v Speaker 4>birth tourists, Chinese hollar garchs popping out kids in America

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<v Speaker 4>for the citizenship birthright citizenship before the Supreme Court. The

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<v Speaker 4>oral arguments were yesterday with the President in attendance. We'll

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<v Speaker 4>talk to Joe Lopino Esposito of the Pacific Legal Foundation

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<v Speaker 4>about how those arguments went and how he thinks it

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<v Speaker 4>might turn out.

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<v Speaker 2>Damn, it's the opposite of what I want. I think.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think? Good? All right, Jo.

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<v Speaker 4>Armstrong and Getty.

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<v Speaker 5>There are five hundred, five hundred birth tourism companies in

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<v Speaker 5>the People's Republic of China, who's what business is to

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<v Speaker 5>bring people here to give birth and return to that nation.

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<v Speaker 1>Having said all that, you do agree that that has

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<v Speaker 1>no impact on the legal analysis before us.

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<v Speaker 7>I think it's I quote with Justice Clia said in

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<v Speaker 7>his Homdan descent, where they like their interpretation has these

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<v Speaker 7>implications that could not possibly have been approved by the

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<v Speaker 7>nineteenth century framers of this amendment. I think that shows

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<v Speaker 7>that they made a mess and their interpretation has made

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<v Speaker 7>a mess of the provision.

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<v Speaker 2>Hmmm.

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<v Speaker 4>Some of the oral arguments before the Supreme Court yesterday,

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<v Speaker 4>with notably the President in attendance way the Fourteenth Amendment

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<v Speaker 4>and birthright citizenship and that sort of thing, it strikes me.

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<v Speaker 4>It's such an interesting topic for a lot of reasons,

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<v Speaker 4>including the utter change in the way the world works

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<v Speaker 4>and immigration works, and you can jet around the world

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<v Speaker 4>in a single day and anyway to examine this question

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<v Speaker 4>and then how the oral arguments went. Who better to

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<v Speaker 4>talk to than Joe Lupino Esposito of the Pacific Legal Foundation.

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<v Speaker 4>Joe leads a team dedicated to developing solutions and advocating

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<v Speaker 4>for change in federal law that respects the Constitution and

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<v Speaker 4>isligned with PLF's legal practice. Joe, welcome, How are you, sir?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing well.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>So.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you find the oral arguments pretty interesting yesterday? And

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<v Speaker 4>what'd you make of them?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, they were pretty exciting obviously, Like you mentioned,

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<v Speaker 1>the President being in the room, that's pretty tough for

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<v Speaker 1>your boss looking over your shoulder there. But I think

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<v Speaker 1>John Sower did a very good job with a very

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<v Speaker 1>difficult question and really an uphill battle for the president

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<v Speaker 1>by trying to attack the idea of birthright systemship through

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<v Speaker 1>an execut of order. So really the justices were engaged

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<v Speaker 1>on a whole bunch of different levels here, but primarily

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<v Speaker 1>it seemed to really come down to this issue of

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<v Speaker 1>what was the original intention of the fourteenth Amendment, who

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<v Speaker 1>was it really meant for, what was the context of

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<v Speaker 1>when that was passed? And then further, have there been

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<v Speaker 1>any precedents that have gone forward since that date, like

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<v Speaker 1>in the late eighteen nineties. The one that kept mentioning

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<v Speaker 1>was the Wong Kim arc case, and that was another

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<v Speaker 1>one that they wanted to kind of recabin and sours

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<v Speaker 1>argument essentially was we need to look at it a

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<v Speaker 1>different way and then I think you will find that

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<v Speaker 1>we are on the right side. So that was his take,

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<v Speaker 1>and he got quite a bit of challenge on that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, wasn't the original intention for children of slaves? And

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<v Speaker 2>unless you're two hundred and some years old, there are

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<v Speaker 2>no children of slaves that apply, So then where does

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<v Speaker 2>this break down?

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<v Speaker 1>Right? Exactly and naturally the essential question, right, And during

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<v Speaker 1>the arguments, I don't recall which justice brought it up,

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<v Speaker 1>might have been Justice Toledo had said something along the

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<v Speaker 1>lines of, you know, are some of these rules of

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<v Speaker 1>the constitution, these pieces of the constitution sort of a

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<v Speaker 1>rule for all time? Or are they very specific? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>so if you have a law that says there's no theft,

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<v Speaker 1>but microwaves didn't exist, but you get your microwaves stolen,

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<v Speaker 1>well it's still a good general rule, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, these are the things.

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<v Speaker 1>They bring up over there, right. I love the analogies

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<v Speaker 1>over there, but yeah, I mean it's true, right, So

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<v Speaker 1>like is that a universal rule? So of course, from

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<v Speaker 1>the other side, they're saying, well, look, in the eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>nineties we were still obviously had some children as slaves

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<v Speaker 1>at that point, but you know, we're looking forward into

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<v Speaker 1>the next century where this won't be And in that case,

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<v Speaker 1>they said, ironically enough for the clip you guys just played,

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<v Speaker 1>it was an issue of somebody who was a Chinese

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<v Speaker 1>national because at the time, under the current laws that

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<v Speaker 1>were in place at that time, Chinese immigrants could not

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<v Speaker 1>become citizens. They were restricted from becoming citizens. So the

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<v Speaker 1>argument was could their child become a citizen, and at

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<v Speaker 1>the time they said yes, the fourteenth Amendment guarantees that.

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<v Speaker 1>But the question there, of course, was well what qualifies

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<v Speaker 1>the parents? And the discussion was around the parents and

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<v Speaker 1>their domicile and their allegiances. And that's what we heard

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch about in the argument yesterday.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>The question of domicile, meaning where do you live? Where

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<v Speaker 4>is your home, is such a different question now than

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<v Speaker 4>it was then. I mean, I could on a whim

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<v Speaker 4>be in London tonight, stay there for a couple of weeks,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, with my pregnant wife, and we could give

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<v Speaker 4>birth in London because I think London's cool, and then

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<v Speaker 4>fly back and so all of this was unimaginable. What

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<v Speaker 4>is So the whole question of what does domicile mean?

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<v Speaker 2>Was pretty key, wasn't it. Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, I got mentioned dozens It's not one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>times yesterday.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was interesting because we.

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<v Speaker 1>Saw even some of the more less leaning judges questioning

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<v Speaker 1>Trump's opposing counsel, you know, at the ACLU, saying, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think they mentioned domicile so often just for fun.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, how are you going to get around this problem?

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<v Speaker 1>More difficult question for them. The way they would turn

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<v Speaker 1>on that, of course, is to say, well, the question

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<v Speaker 1>has never been about the parents. It has always just

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<v Speaker 1>been about following the soil. If you are here and

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<v Speaker 1>you were born here, that's how it goes. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>on the other side, you know, John Sower and the

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<v Speaker 1>administration would say, well, look, in other cases, we've drawn

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<v Speaker 1>out certain exceptions as if those are just always assumed.

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<v Speaker 1>So things like diplomat's children, or if somebody is born

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<v Speaker 1>on Indian land or of Indian parents of tribal land,

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<v Speaker 1>these are always the exceptions that have been drawn out.

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<v Speaker 1>So why wouldn't we kind of come to the next

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<v Speaker 1>conclusion and say, well, this is yet another example because

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<v Speaker 1>things have changed. But of course that led to probably

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<v Speaker 1>the best line of the oral argument, where John Sower

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<v Speaker 1>said it's a whole new world and John Roberts replied,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a new world, but the same constitution. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>where I think they're gonna have a lot of trouble.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Fine, So if we want the result of people

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<v Speaker 2>can't just have babies in the United States and they're

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<v Speaker 2>automatically US citizens, how do you get there?

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<v Speaker 1>Right? So that's kind of what will be interesting to

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<v Speaker 1>see how the court comes down here. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>think depending on how they want to break down their opinion,

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<v Speaker 1>I think you'd probably have a nine zero saying well,

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<v Speaker 1>this can't be done by executive order, no matter if

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<v Speaker 1>you like it or not, say well, is the door

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<v Speaker 1>open for legislation to say, look, we can draw some

0:23:19.200 --> 0:23:22.520
<v Speaker 1>exceptions here. It is not a pure guarantee. It is

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<v Speaker 1>not just simply we follow the soil, you are here

0:23:25.320 --> 0:23:27.639
<v Speaker 1>and you're born, because it's obviously not true. Now we

0:23:27.680 --> 0:23:31.080
<v Speaker 1>talk about these situations like diplomat's children, right, So it's

0:23:31.119 --> 0:23:34.320
<v Speaker 1>not universal as it is. But now how much can

0:23:34.320 --> 0:23:37.280
<v Speaker 1>you actually limit that universality or the exceptions that we've

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<v Speaker 1>already found the only ones? Can Congress continue? That probably

0:23:41.600 --> 0:23:43.720
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't be, you know, on point for this case. But

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<v Speaker 1>if somebody wanted to write a concurrence, somebody like in

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<v Speaker 1>Alido that seemed to be leaning towards the president of

0:23:48.240 --> 0:23:51.080
<v Speaker 1>position but maybe not fully, there could always write a

0:23:51.080 --> 0:23:53.639
<v Speaker 1>concurrence saying look, I think the door is open if

0:23:53.680 --> 0:23:57.000
<v Speaker 1>there were some actual law made around this. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>one possibility. Who knows that that could happen, but that

0:23:59.560 --> 0:24:01.680
<v Speaker 1>seems to be the opening that could exist here.

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<v Speaker 4>Joe, why don't you count on Congress and I'll count

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<v Speaker 4>on the Easter buddy, and we'll see who gets satisfied first.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh Jo from the PLF is online Go ahead, Joe

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<v Speaker 4>was gonna say.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that is one of the biggest issues. Iff.

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<v Speaker 1>We talk a lot about separation of powers and who

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<v Speaker 1>has the right role of doing these things, and that's

0:24:22.359 --> 0:24:24.560
<v Speaker 1>always the issue. It's like, well, timers could do its job.

0:24:25.560 --> 0:24:28.439
<v Speaker 1>I know that's it's a lot to say that, but

0:24:28.680 --> 0:24:30.600
<v Speaker 1>technically that's the way they have it set up, so

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<v Speaker 1>that that is really the essential problem that keeps coming

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<v Speaker 1>up in a number of issues, not just an immigration.

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<v Speaker 2>I was interested to read that there are quite a

0:24:38.320 --> 0:24:41.159
<v Speaker 2>few countries like the UK that did away with this

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<v Speaker 2>a while back for a variety of reasons. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>not like it's a crazy idea.

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<v Speaker 1>No. I mean again, as a policy matter, I think

0:24:50.400 --> 0:24:52.399
<v Speaker 1>that is definitely an open question do we want to

0:24:52.440 --> 0:24:55.560
<v Speaker 1>do that? And just not knowing off hand, is there

0:24:55.560 --> 0:24:58.440
<v Speaker 1>a constitution or otherwise it had said you know something

0:24:58.440 --> 0:25:00.840
<v Speaker 1>that guaranteed it. Obviously it's a higher three threshold. If

0:25:00.880 --> 0:25:03.159
<v Speaker 1>the court does find that it is in the Constitution,

0:25:03.800 --> 0:25:05.200
<v Speaker 1>then I would have to be a higher threshold of

0:25:05.240 --> 0:25:09.240
<v Speaker 1>actually getting an amendment, which talk about impossible. That's impossible,

0:25:09.280 --> 0:25:13.040
<v Speaker 1>So that would be a much harder slog. But if

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<v Speaker 1>they leave the opening because of the handful of exceptions,

0:25:15.880 --> 0:25:19.200
<v Speaker 1>that's something they can do because I mean politically, I'm

0:25:19.240 --> 0:25:21.359
<v Speaker 1>not sure how popular it is, but it probably would

0:25:21.359 --> 0:25:23.320
<v Speaker 1>be very popular, and it seems to be popular in

0:25:23.160 --> 0:25:25.840
<v Speaker 1>the areas in Europe where this is the case.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, at the very least, you could outlaw just outright

0:25:29.240 --> 0:25:35.640
<v Speaker 4>birth tourism, citizenship. But so a more general question, there's

0:25:35.680 --> 0:25:39.000
<v Speaker 4>this ludicrous narrative frequently in a lot of the mainstream

0:25:39.000 --> 0:25:42.200
<v Speaker 4>media saying that, you know, there's this six to three

0:25:43.080 --> 0:25:46.920
<v Speaker 4>conservative deadlock and when so many of the cases are

0:25:47.000 --> 0:25:52.520
<v Speaker 4>in really interesting combinations control of MAGA court, that's.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, that's ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 4>How would you describe the six conservative justices and they're

0:25:59.560 --> 0:26:01.520
<v Speaker 4>overlap app of agreement and disagreement.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, I think most analysis now actually puts

0:26:05.880 --> 0:26:08.680
<v Speaker 1>it more as like a three three three court. Right,

0:26:08.720 --> 0:26:10.679
<v Speaker 1>So obviously you have the three liberal justices, then you

0:26:10.760 --> 0:26:14.679
<v Speaker 1>have Kevanaugh Roberts and Barrett in one camp, and then

0:26:14.680 --> 0:26:17.919
<v Speaker 1>the other three conservatives in the other. But even so,

0:26:19.080 --> 0:26:21.040
<v Speaker 1>you have a number of cases that are perhaps a

0:26:21.040 --> 0:26:23.840
<v Speaker 1>little bit more libertarian leaning where you'll see Gorsach and

0:26:23.880 --> 0:26:26.399
<v Speaker 1>Alito and Thomas that started Gorsich on one side and

0:26:26.440 --> 0:26:28.200
<v Speaker 1>an Alito and Thomas on the other side on a

0:26:28.280 --> 0:26:31.439
<v Speaker 1>number of cases. So that's often how things can split up,

0:26:31.440 --> 0:26:33.760
<v Speaker 1>particularly in like criminal law cases. Alito is almost never

0:26:33.760 --> 0:26:35.520
<v Speaker 1>going to be on the same side as Gorsach, barring

0:26:35.520 --> 0:26:39.440
<v Speaker 1>it being a nine zero decision. So those are just

0:26:39.520 --> 0:26:41.840
<v Speaker 1>kind of those rare examples where you see that pop up.

0:26:42.040 --> 0:26:44.320
<v Speaker 1>But again, even just this week, we've seen where the

0:26:44.320 --> 0:26:47.400
<v Speaker 1>liberal justices are siding with the conservatives. In the case

0:26:47.440 --> 0:26:50.920
<v Speaker 1>in California regarding conversion therapy, you only had one descent

0:26:51.040 --> 0:26:54.720
<v Speaker 1>from Justice Jackson, and frankly kind of a slap down

0:26:54.760 --> 0:26:58.399
<v Speaker 1>from Justice Kagan and her concurrence saying, I don't you know,

0:26:58.440 --> 0:27:00.640
<v Speaker 1>in so many words, I'm not quite sure what she's

0:27:00.680 --> 0:27:04.720
<v Speaker 1>talking about. So it was pretty interesting to see that.

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<v Speaker 2>So this leads me to and I know the answer

0:27:08.000 --> 0:27:09.320
<v Speaker 2>to this question, but I want to hear you say,

0:27:10.160 --> 0:27:13.800
<v Speaker 2>does it drive you nuts? The mainstream media coverage of

0:27:13.840 --> 0:27:16.480
<v Speaker 2>all these cases, because it seems to me like whenever

0:27:16.520 --> 0:27:20.479
<v Speaker 2>I look into a decision, the general headline around it

0:27:20.560 --> 0:27:24.239
<v Speaker 2>isn't even close to the reason they decided it one

0:27:24.240 --> 0:27:24.800
<v Speaker 2>way or the other.

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<v Speaker 1>No, you're exactly right. It's it's very frustrating when we

0:27:30.119 --> 0:27:31.679
<v Speaker 1>see this all the time, and it seems like the

0:27:31.720 --> 0:27:34.480
<v Speaker 1>media often wants to only talk about the cases when

0:27:34.480 --> 0:27:37.480
<v Speaker 1>they are five, four and sixty three. I mean store

0:27:37.520 --> 0:27:39.359
<v Speaker 1>like that makes it more exciting. If it's nine zero,

0:27:39.400 --> 0:27:42.400
<v Speaker 1>I guess the issue wasn't that great. But sometimes those

0:27:42.480 --> 0:27:44.600
<v Speaker 1>opinions where they are eight one or seven to two

0:27:45.040 --> 0:27:47.679
<v Speaker 1>nine zero are really important to look at because those

0:27:47.720 --> 0:27:50.240
<v Speaker 1>are the ones where you should really kind of zoom

0:27:50.240 --> 0:27:52.840
<v Speaker 1>in and say, well, this is the thing where everybody

0:27:52.840 --> 0:27:55.199
<v Speaker 1>can agree, this is where the law is at, Like,

0:27:55.280 --> 0:27:57.520
<v Speaker 1>this thing should not be a controversy. So when it

0:27:57.560 --> 0:28:00.400
<v Speaker 1>comes to like again just using this week's example conversion

0:28:00.440 --> 0:28:03.000
<v Speaker 1>therapy case, there's not a ton of debates here on

0:28:03.040 --> 0:28:05.959
<v Speaker 1>whether or not that was a good idea. Just as Jackson,

0:28:06.000 --> 0:28:08.760
<v Speaker 1>notwithstanding you know you had sort of an idiot and

0:28:08.800 --> 0:28:11.800
<v Speaker 1>coming along on this, I wouldn't say that because we

0:28:11.840 --> 0:28:12.760
<v Speaker 1>have cases in front of the.

0:28:12.680 --> 0:28:13.720
<v Speaker 2>Court so.

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<v Speaker 4>Joe, Well put Joe Lopino Esposito of the Pacific Legal Foundation. Hey, Joe,

0:28:23.720 --> 0:28:26.880
<v Speaker 4>we're kind of up against a break and let's talk again.

0:28:26.880 --> 0:28:30.120
<v Speaker 4>An outstanding job, Love the conversation as usual. Everybody we've

0:28:30.119 --> 0:28:32.840
<v Speaker 4>talked to from the Pacific Legal Foundation is terrific.

0:28:32.880 --> 0:28:36.840
<v Speaker 2>Thanks Joe, and thank you. Oh Hanson, the goldest of

0:28:36.920 --> 0:28:41.320
<v Speaker 2>gold stars for him, Oh Love. He won is wonderful.

0:28:41.440 --> 0:28:44.800
<v Speaker 2>Money rolls with the silliness, which I really appreciate, roll

0:28:44.880 --> 0:28:48.000
<v Speaker 2>with it, idiot, I wouldn't say that because we have

0:28:48.160 --> 0:28:51.600
<v Speaker 2>cases before the court. Now, I cut him off.

0:28:51.640 --> 0:28:53.440
<v Speaker 4>He was about to make clear, and she is a

0:28:53.520 --> 0:28:56.680
<v Speaker 4>learned justice and her credentials are fabulous. Was he about

0:28:56.680 --> 0:28:59.360
<v Speaker 4>to say that, as far as you know, he was, Yes,

0:29:00.400 --> 0:29:02.120
<v Speaker 4>I want to I do not want to damage the

0:29:02.160 --> 0:29:02.840
<v Speaker 4>man's career.

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<v Speaker 2>See, I'm not a lawyer, for your chuckles, I'm not

0:29:06.800 --> 0:29:09.520
<v Speaker 2>a lawyer, and I so this stuff drives me crazy,

0:29:09.680 --> 0:29:11.320
<v Speaker 2>and I understand why it's got to be this way,

0:29:11.360 --> 0:29:15.680
<v Speaker 2>but I just want, you know, just things we all

0:29:15.720 --> 0:29:18.080
<v Speaker 2>agree on for the most part. It shouldn't be able

0:29:18.120 --> 0:29:19.880
<v Speaker 2>to just show up in the United States and have

0:29:19.920 --> 0:29:21.640
<v Speaker 2>a baby and you get all the rights of us citizen.

0:29:22.040 --> 0:29:25.240
<v Speaker 2>So let's just make that happen somehow. But I realize

0:29:25.280 --> 0:29:26.480
<v Speaker 2>you can't run a system that way.

0:29:27.120 --> 0:29:31.200
<v Speaker 4>Well, you can run a congress that way. They can

0:29:31.240 --> 0:29:36.320
<v Speaker 4>write that law. They just don't do anything but fundraise

0:29:36.400 --> 0:29:41.280
<v Speaker 4>and tweet. Oh well, it worked pretty well for two

0:29:41.360 --> 0:29:43.480
<v Speaker 4>hundred and fifty years. It was a decent enough front,

0:29:43.960 --> 0:29:45.840
<v Speaker 4>all right, stick around, much more to come.

0:29:50.800 --> 0:29:53.640
<v Speaker 3>NASA launched his first crude mission to the Moon in

0:29:53.720 --> 0:29:54.920
<v Speaker 3>fifty three years.

0:29:55.720 --> 0:29:57.800
<v Speaker 7>You have the rocket launch from Cape Canaveral, did a

0:29:57.880 --> 0:30:00.000
<v Speaker 7>quick fly by over Kid Rock's house and then headed

0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:00.480
<v Speaker 7>for the Moon.

0:30:01.960 --> 0:30:06.000
<v Speaker 8>The four astronauts on board are Commander Reid Wiseman, pilot

0:30:06.120 --> 0:30:10.720
<v Speaker 8>Victor Glover, mission specialist Christina Cook, and Canadian Space Agency

0:30:10.760 --> 0:30:15.480
<v Speaker 8>Mission specialist Jeremy Hansen. Wait hold, wait, shwait, that's right.

0:30:15.520 --> 0:30:19.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't see Katie Perry in there. Is it really

0:30:19.920 --> 0:30:20.680
<v Speaker 2>a space mission?

0:30:20.720 --> 0:30:23.440
<v Speaker 8>If Jeff Bezos hasn't welded a terrified Gail King into

0:30:23.440 --> 0:30:24.000
<v Speaker 8>a medal.

0:30:23.800 --> 0:30:30.200
<v Speaker 2>Two, why is there a Canadian on our space ship?

0:30:30.840 --> 0:30:36.480
<v Speaker 2>So yesterday I announced breaking fleetwood mac news in that

0:30:36.840 --> 0:30:41.360
<v Speaker 2>a stalker had thrown some sort of liquid substance at

0:30:41.440 --> 0:30:45.200
<v Speaker 2>guitar player Lindsey Graham. It was an old man at

0:30:45.200 --> 0:30:49.720
<v Speaker 2>this point. Lindsey Buckingham, Lindsey Graham, what I did that yesterday?

0:30:49.880 --> 0:30:51.959
<v Speaker 2>I did that too, yeah yesterday. And Lindsay Graham did

0:30:52.000 --> 0:30:55.000
<v Speaker 2>not sing go your own way. Lindsey Buckingham did.

0:30:55.320 --> 0:30:59.640
<v Speaker 4>Lindsey Buckingham is not a probably closeted South Carolina senator.

0:31:00.120 --> 0:31:02.880
<v Speaker 2>He's a very heterosexual, as he got with the young

0:31:02.960 --> 0:31:07.600
<v Speaker 2>Stevie Nicks. Lindsay Buckingham. Anyway, So this happened on the

0:31:07.640 --> 0:31:12.280
<v Speaker 2>Santa Monica Peer Los Angeles and this crazy woman, so

0:31:12.400 --> 0:31:14.920
<v Speaker 2>you want to be famous, do you? She's fifty four

0:31:15.000 --> 0:31:18.560
<v Speaker 2>years old. She's convinced that Lindsay Buckingham is her dad,

0:31:19.200 --> 0:31:22.760
<v Speaker 2>and apparently authorities have gone through it well enough to

0:31:22.800 --> 0:31:25.760
<v Speaker 2>determine she's not, because this has happened over and over again.

0:31:25.840 --> 0:31:29.240
<v Speaker 2>She's been stalking this poor guy for a long long time.

0:31:29.480 --> 0:31:31.560
<v Speaker 4>She throws it if it is your dad, don't be

0:31:31.600 --> 0:31:35.320
<v Speaker 4>thrown mystery substances and liquids on your dad's rude.

0:31:35.360 --> 0:31:39.680
<v Speaker 2>It's a good point. The police are aware of her.

0:31:39.720 --> 0:31:44.760
<v Speaker 2>Lindsey Buckingham is very aware of her. She tossed unknown

0:31:44.840 --> 0:31:48.520
<v Speaker 2>substance admir and ran off the Los Angeles Police Department

0:31:48.560 --> 0:31:54.720
<v Speaker 2>confirmed that the attack did happen. Buckingham has three children

0:31:54.760 --> 0:31:57.160
<v Speaker 2>with his wife, and they go through that whole thing

0:31:57.200 --> 0:32:00.520
<v Speaker 2>here in this article. But this woman, the accused stalker,

0:32:00.680 --> 0:32:04.840
<v Speaker 2>first began interacting with Lindsay Buckingham five years ago when

0:32:04.840 --> 0:32:09.240
<v Speaker 2>she started calling the musician and his wife dozens of times,

0:32:09.560 --> 0:32:12.720
<v Speaker 2>leaving long messages, claiming to be his daughter. Wonder how

0:32:12.720 --> 0:32:15.800
<v Speaker 2>she got his number? That would be you'd start off

0:32:15.840 --> 0:32:17.920
<v Speaker 2>being annoyed and then pretty soon you start to get frightened.

0:32:17.920 --> 0:32:22.920
<v Speaker 2>And she just kept calling, leaving long, rambling messages. Oh

0:32:22.960 --> 0:32:25.440
<v Speaker 2>and if I'd been a touring musician for many years,

0:32:25.480 --> 0:32:31.240
<v Speaker 2>I'd start off thinking, boy, how old here? Let's see

0:32:31.240 --> 0:32:35.600
<v Speaker 2>that was the Tusk tour. During this initial period, she

0:32:35.640 --> 0:32:39.600
<v Speaker 2>also threatened to kill the family, blamed Lindsay Buckingham for

0:32:39.720 --> 0:32:44.360
<v Speaker 2>facial deformities, deformities she suffered as a child, and demanded money.

0:32:45.920 --> 0:32:50.480
<v Speaker 2>In twenty twenty two, LAPD officially instructed her to cease

0:32:50.560 --> 0:32:54.520
<v Speaker 2>contact with the family. She stopped messaging them, but secretly

0:32:54.560 --> 0:33:00.440
<v Speaker 2>continued to contact Lindsey. Buckingham's adult son went after him.

0:33:01.280 --> 0:33:03.720
<v Speaker 2>The harassment attendsified in twenty twenty four when she set

0:33:03.800 --> 0:33:08.560
<v Speaker 2>Buckingham a photocollage of their faces, followed by showing up

0:33:08.600 --> 0:33:11.080
<v Speaker 2>at his home. You know, you get a picture of

0:33:11.120 --> 0:33:13.040
<v Speaker 2>here's everybody in your family. You know that what kind

0:33:13.080 --> 0:33:17.120
<v Speaker 2>of threat that is? She swatted the family in twenty

0:33:17.200 --> 0:33:20.040
<v Speaker 2>twenty four, making a false nine to one one report

0:33:20.080 --> 0:33:23.239
<v Speaker 2>that led to Lindsey Buckingham being handcuffed and led from

0:33:23.280 --> 0:33:27.240
<v Speaker 2>his home. Oh, until they figured out what was going on.

0:33:28.120 --> 0:33:31.320
<v Speaker 2>Then he got a permanent restraining order against her. I

0:33:31.360 --> 0:33:34.120
<v Speaker 2>didn't know that was a thing. A permanent restraining order.

0:33:34.200 --> 0:33:37.800
<v Speaker 2>She can't come near him for the rest of his life.

0:33:39.640 --> 0:33:41.520
<v Speaker 2>And that's what she was in violation of the other day.

0:33:41.520 --> 0:33:45.480
<v Speaker 2>Apparently she lives in her car somewhere. They haven't found her. Wow,

0:33:45.560 --> 0:33:50.880
<v Speaker 2>what that suck. Oh, there's no reasoning with a crazy first. Now,

0:33:50.960 --> 0:33:53.640
<v Speaker 2>I do assume, because it doesn't say anything in there,

0:33:53.680 --> 0:33:58.400
<v Speaker 2>that with all of these different incidents occurring, they've determined

0:33:58.480 --> 0:34:03.000
<v Speaker 2>that her claim is not real. Oh yeah, I think, yeah,

0:34:03.040 --> 0:34:06.960
<v Speaker 2>you would check that box because, as you said, you're

0:34:07.000 --> 0:34:10.600
<v Speaker 2>a one of the most famous rock stars on planet Earth.

0:34:11.160 --> 0:34:13.920
<v Speaker 2>She'd have been born in the seventies. There has to

0:34:13.920 --> 0:34:18.080
<v Speaker 2>be at least the chance conceivably in a moment of weakness.

0:34:18.280 --> 0:34:22.600
<v Speaker 4>Exactly, you found yourself that you're highly embarrassed about.

0:34:22.320 --> 0:34:23.800
<v Speaker 2>And ashamed of. Oh terrible.

0:34:23.840 --> 0:34:26.640
<v Speaker 4>It was a lapse, yes, but it does happen from

0:34:26.680 --> 0:34:30.320
<v Speaker 4>what I'm told anyway. Yeah, how troubling. Oh, speaking of

0:34:30.400 --> 0:34:33.560
<v Speaker 4>crazy people in La next hour. Maybe you don't get

0:34:33.600 --> 0:34:35.840
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0:34:35.840 --> 0:34:42.280
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0:34:42.400 --> 0:34:46.279
<v Speaker 4>the woman who was featured on that news report, her

0:34:46.360 --> 0:34:49.200
<v Speaker 4>families come out and made a powerful statement.

0:34:49.440 --> 0:34:54.239
<v Speaker 2>What they said will shock you. Okay, stay with us

0:34:54.440 --> 0:34:56.520
<v Speaker 2>or come back, and then you're gonna explain the whole

0:34:56.600 --> 0:35:00.479
<v Speaker 2>China versus US space race. I'm into that. Yeah. Yeah,

0:35:00.520 --> 0:35:04.000
<v Speaker 2>this is a serious, serious thing and gets no attention

0:35:04.440 --> 0:35:06.759
<v Speaker 2>around the why we're going to the moon. We're not

0:35:06.800 --> 0:35:11.120
<v Speaker 2>a serious country. That's the That's the entire point of

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<v Speaker 2>why we're going to the moon. Yes, is the is

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<v Speaker 2>the military race with China. No, we're not obliterated from

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<v Speaker 2>the moon by China. Yeah, if you missake gets the

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<v Speaker 2>podcast Armstrong and Getty on Demand.

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<v Speaker 1>Armstrong and Getty