1 00:00:01,880 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George 2 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty, I'm. 3 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:21,440 Speaker 2: Strong and gay and he Armstrong and Getty. 4 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 3: The FDA has approved a drug called Foundeo. 5 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 2: It's made by Eli Lilly. 6 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 3: It's given as a daily pill, and it works similarly 7 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 3: to drugs like ozembic, Wagov, and zep bound by mimicking 8 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 3: a hormone known as GLP one. This one follows another 9 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:41,879 Speaker 3: pill that was approved in December hit the market earlier 10 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 3: this year, called the Wagov pill, sold by Novo Nordisk, 11 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 3: and Eli Lilly says that it's drug represents an advance 12 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 3: compared with that pill because Foundeo doesn't need to be 13 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 3: taken at any particular time of day or with any 14 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 3: restrictions on food and water, whereas the Wagov pill must 15 00:00:58,080 --> 00:00:59,959 Speaker 3: be taken right when you wake up in the morn 16 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 3: on an empty stomach. 17 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:05,400 Speaker 2: So they're getting sounds like easier to take these various pills. 18 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 2: I don't know. If you watch the TNT show on 19 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 2: about the NBA playoffs are about to get going. In 20 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 2: the NBA, Charles Barkley is like half his size because 21 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 2: he's on one of these drugs. He's lost over one 22 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 2: hundred pounds. He was like three thirty at his heaviest, 23 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 2: even for a tall guy, that's a lot of weight. 24 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 2: And he's getting close to his playing weight from back 25 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 2: when he was a fairly thin NBA player. But he's 26 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:33,960 Speaker 2: lost over one hundred pounds on this drug. And I 27 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:37,680 Speaker 2: know somebody that I assume is doing this, quite a 28 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 2: big woman who's now quite thin and in a short 29 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 2: amount of time. It's it's kinda feel like the miracle 30 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 2: drug you've been wanting forever for a lot of people. Yeah. 31 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, I always wonder about the long term thing, just 32 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 4: as a guy who's lost weight and gained it back 33 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 4: againlike everybody does. But there's no question that it's even 34 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 4: if you're lighter for a while, it's pretty good for you. 35 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 2: If you stay on it, you stay thin, won't you. 36 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 4: M Yeah, Well, And I talked to my doctor, who's 37 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 4: just a terrific guy and a terrific doctor, and he said, 38 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 4: I've had virtually nothing but success with it. People tolerated beautifully, 39 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:12,239 Speaker 4: had great results on the floe. 40 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 2: Wow, that's awesome. 41 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, because you know how it is if there's a 42 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:20,799 Speaker 4: news article that says these drugs are tolerated by most 43 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 4: people and do a nice job. 44 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 2: I'm not I'm going to think, oh, that's good. I'm 45 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 2: not going to click on it. If I see horrific. 46 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 4: Side effects of wig Gobi, will get tongues whacking. 47 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 2: You know, it's hard not to click right right. 48 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 4: So you get an outsized idea of the downsides which exist. 49 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 2: Of course, consult your physician. Speaking of doctors, told the 50 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 2: story yesterday about how outraged I get when I'm at 51 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 2: the doctor's office with my kid. This happened the other 52 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 2: day getting a physical and I'm asked to leave the room, 53 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 2: and I stupidly did it. I mostly did it because 54 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 2: I didn't want to embarrass my son. I hadn't talked 55 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 2: to him about ahead of time. I will never do 56 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 2: it again now that I have thought it through and 57 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 2: heard from some of you good people. I mean, if 58 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 2: i'd have thought it through for a second, what are 59 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 2: they gonna do? Tell me, I my son. 60 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 4: Can't get a physical, kick me out on to the ground, exactly, 61 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 4: Cuff you and take your child away from you. 62 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 2: And I also I asked the woman and very nice person, 63 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 2: and I told her. I said, you're just doing your job. 64 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 2: It's the hospital policy. I said, is this a hospital 65 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 2: thing or a government thing? You know, it's a combination 66 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 2: of this and that and blah blah blah. And apparently 67 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:28,639 Speaker 2: a friend of mine in Tennessee who used to live 68 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 2: in California and left for Tennessee, like so many people 69 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 2: have said, they don't do that in Tennessee. They don't 70 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 2: ask you to leave the room to talk to your 71 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 2: kid alone. I found it. I find it outrageous, absolutely 72 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 2: beyond the pale to step in as the we're the authority. 73 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 2: We know what's good and what's best. That guy, your 74 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 2: dad does not the what kind of message that's into 75 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 2: your kid? Oh my god. It's awful on so many 76 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 2: different levels. But anyway, finding out it's not universal is 77 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 2: helpful to me, and I hope you all finding out 78 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 2: that you can just say no now, I'm not going 79 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 2: to do that. Ask any questions you want in front 80 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 2: of me. That's the way we're going to do it. 81 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: Here. 82 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 4: I got a note from a physician friend in California 83 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 4: who said, hey, I've got a name of a doctor 84 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 4: for Jack that they don't pull out crap. It's like 85 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,840 Speaker 4: the best guidance of the AMA and stuff like that, 86 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 4: that you ought to do this, and you're more progressive 87 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 4: health organizations, especially in your more lefty places. 88 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,479 Speaker 2: They're like, yes, that is a great idea. I'm not 89 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 2: surprised that in the town that I live in that 90 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:34,599 Speaker 2: they lean that direction. I love my dosher, but I 91 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 2: would imagine that the hospital he works at they tell 92 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 2: them to do that. Yeah. Yeah, boy. 93 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 4: We got a ton of emails about that. Some of 94 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 4: them kind of restate what I just said. 95 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 2: I wonder how. 96 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 4: Many people completely unbothered by it at all, go along 97 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 4: with it and think, well, that makes sense that the 98 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 4: government or some other institution is stepping in as the 99 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 4: the authority between me and my child. 100 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 2: So thanks to. 101 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 4: Everybody who wrote really interesting stuff. But I've picked three 102 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 4: emails in particular that I think are terrific. First of all, 103 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 4: Brian and Santa rosa first time a doctor or their 104 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 4: assistant asked me, I'm trying to have the other have 105 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 4: you leave the room while I talk to my child. 106 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 4: I asked them where they went to school, in a 107 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:27,280 Speaker 4: series of other questions. Then I told them that they 108 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 4: would have to wait until I researched their background. I 109 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 4: don't just let anybody talk to my child alone. If 110 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 4: they graduated from college in the last few years. I 111 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 4: bring up the statistics of how easy it is to 112 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 4: get through medical school these days. I ask them what 113 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:40,919 Speaker 4: their religion is, what their beliefs are, and if they're woke. 114 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:43,039 Speaker 4: I was the same way when my children were young. 115 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 4: Now it's my grandson. His dad reluctantly agrees with me. 116 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 4: Good for you, Brian. 117 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:47,040 Speaker 2: I love that. 118 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 4: The terrific JT and livermore rights. I've always hated that concept, 119 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 4: but I've asking the parent to leave the room. But 120 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:57,840 Speaker 4: I've never given it much thought as to why now 121 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 4: I have. For me, it isn't because I feel like 122 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 4: the state is temporarily temporarily taking over my parenting function, 123 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 4: or they think they care more about my kids than 124 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 4: I do. The problem is that it goes against the 125 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 4: Fourth Amendment Illegal search and seizure, either literally or culturally. 126 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 4: They are fishing for proof of a crime without the 127 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 4: slightest provocation that anything is wrong. 128 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 2: It's one I mean, what else would it be? What 129 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 2: else would it be? 130 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 4: Oh, if it's not a presumption of guilt, it's a 131 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 4: presumption that everyone must be screened. 132 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 2: And asked to leave the room. 133 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 4: Now, I know that the doctor or nurse is not 134 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 4: a representative of the government, but aren't they a proxy 135 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 4: of a sort, given that doctors and nurses are subject 136 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 4: to required to report laws. But if a policeman or 137 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 4: other government representative can't illegally search my child, perhaps in 138 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:51,919 Speaker 4: even the barest indication of a crime that's been committed, 139 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 4: then they can't outsource that illegal search via proxy. What 140 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 4: else can a health professional ask that a cause I 141 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 4: related to the kid's health? Can they ask my kid 142 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 4: if I ever smoke crack, or if I share my 143 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:08,039 Speaker 4: prescription painkills with my brother in law or hurt his back, 144 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 4: or if I've ever driven them somewhere after having a beer. 145 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I gotta say I am highly embarrassed that I 146 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 2: did step out of the room. My kids have been 147 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 2: coached up on the gun question. We don't answer that 148 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 2: question because I got outraged about that many years ago. 149 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 2: If you were listening, you remember, like, you don't get 150 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 2: to freaking ask that question. What the hell way me 151 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 2: take my blood pressure, figure out my cholesterol, and then 152 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 2: I'll go home? Yeah? Yeah. 153 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 4: And then finally, this from Brian the cop great note 154 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 4: on a couple of different topics. Uh, He says, want 155 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 4: to provide a perspective about how healthcare professionals. Professionals are 156 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 4: failing at risk children. In law enforcement, we have reasonable suspicion, 157 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 4: which leads us to begin an investigation into a possible crime. 158 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 4: When it goes further, we'd begin to develop probable cause 159 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 4: to continue to investigate and make an arrest. While health 160 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 4: care workers in California have made separating parents from their 161 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 4: children in order to discover abuse or neglect through a 162 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 4: process they put all families through, they stop using their 163 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 4: training and instincts to look for clues of neglect and abuse. 164 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 4: They do this believing the process they now use will 165 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 4: expose the abusers. Now that every parent is a possible subject, 166 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 4: they stop noticing the reasonable suspicion in the parents. They 167 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 4: would hopefully notice it in the vast majority of parents 168 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 4: don't abuse their kids. But now you're blending all parents together, 169 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 4: and it makes it easier, in my opinion, to hide 170 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 4: the clues you would have noticed before. 171 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 2: That's an interesting perspective. 172 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 4: And then, as a guy who is a certified drug investigator, 173 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 4: he says, judging by the description of Tiger woods by 174 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 4: the roadside. He was on a lot more than narcanic 175 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 4: narcotic analgesics. Really specifically his his wide pupils, his dilated pupils, 176 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 4: because if he was on what everybody thinks he was on, 177 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:02,559 Speaker 4: simply they caused contracted pupils. 178 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 2: He had hydro codone pills in his pocket, so that 179 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 2: wouldn't make your pupils. 180 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 4: Dilate, not according to this guy, to get drug crimes. Yeah, uh, 181 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 4: that's funny. 182 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 2: And here's another failure of the media. It would take 183 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 2: one I could do it during the commercials to check 184 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 2: and see this hydra codone caused your pupils to dilate. 185 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 2: But because everybody did that, the news as if clearly assigned. 186 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 2: Well is it? That's what you know? 187 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 4: One of the epithets I throw at the media during 188 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 4: my frequent screeds is incurious. Yeah, that's the most amazing thing. 189 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 4: Jack and I have observed that so many times. This 190 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 4: is the according to authorities, this is the second highest 191 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 4: number of this ever. 192 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 2: I wonder, okay, well, what's everybody wondering what was the highest? 193 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 2: When was it? How much was it? 194 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 5: Uh? 195 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:54,439 Speaker 2: I wonder what else Tiger is doing? Then? 196 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 4: Microdosin aketemy, that's what all the rich hipsters are doing, 197 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 4: and and the psilocybin, the magic mushroom war. 198 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 2: What if he's into bimbification? What if it all comes together? 199 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 2: Not sure how that ties in. 200 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,319 Speaker 4: I don't want to stomp your theory out before it. 201 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 4: There's a chance to get going. 202 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:15,959 Speaker 2: We're going to talk to a legal expert coming up 203 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:19,359 Speaker 2: in a little bit about how the oral arguments went yesterday. 204 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 2: You say there are some complicated and birthrights case. Yeah, yeah, 205 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 2: you say there are some complicated reasons that it might 206 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 2: make sense that we allow any child born in this 207 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 2: country to be automatically as c. 208 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:36,479 Speaker 4: Yeah, and or we would have to specifically write laws 209 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 4: to change the way it currently works. 210 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 2: Okay, I want to hear about that. So we lots 211 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 2: on the way. Stay here, Why do you want to 212 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 2: be here? Why do you love space? Why do you 213 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 2: love being a part of history? We're going back to 214 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 2: the fucking moon. That's why an excited little kid who 215 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 2: watched the Space Lawn with a foul mouth. 216 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 4: Did I hear it like a re he said freakin' 217 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 4: in the tape? I saw, yeah. 218 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 2: Okay, We're going back to the freaking moon. 219 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 4: I love that. That's right, son, that's right, and you're 220 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:20,719 Speaker 4: right to be excited. This is a great country and 221 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 4: we do great things and we better beat China to 222 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 4: the moon. Stay tuned for hour four. We're gonna go 223 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 4: big on the space race and how serious it is. 224 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:31,439 Speaker 2: He emphasized the wrong thing, though he's supposed to emphasize 225 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:35,719 Speaker 2: that it's the first one legged, half Asian, half Jewish, 226 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:39,839 Speaker 2: trans woman, or whatever identity politics they always throw at 227 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 2: us with every space mission. 228 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 4: I know, I saw that headline in what was the 229 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 4: USA today or something? Oh, shut up with that. Are 230 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 4: they a great astronaut? 231 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 2: Good? They studied hard. Give them credit for their expertise. 232 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 4: Not the color of their skin or who they like 233 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 4: to sex up. Oh my god, I hate the left. 234 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:59,439 Speaker 4: I found this very interesting. Listen to this one you 235 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 4: speaking of the Artemist's mission. 236 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 2: The crew of Artemists two now bound for the Moon. 237 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 6: The Artemists two mission is underway, four astronauts on a 238 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 6: ten day mission of the Moon and back. The Orion 239 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 6: spacecraft lifting off powered by that massive three hundred and 240 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 6: twenty two foot tall, six million pound rocket packed with 241 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 6: more than seven hundred thousand gallons of liquid oxygen and 242 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:25,319 Speaker 6: hydrogen passing one minute, approaching maxque before launch teams checking 243 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 6: those suits then, just as astronauts have done in pass missions, 244 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 6: a bit of superstition, playing cards until everyone loses a 245 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 6: hand to leave bad luck behind. 246 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 2: Wow, like ye, Sharia law loses a hand? Like that 247 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 2: sort of thing. 248 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:44,319 Speaker 4: Oh you misunderstand jack a hand of cards. In other words, 249 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 4: an individual little game within the game. Oh that's an 250 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 4: interesting superstition though, Now what the heck if that helps 251 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 4: set your mind at ease as you strap yourself on top. 252 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 2: Of a bomb and get vaulted in the space. Do 253 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 2: whatever helps. 254 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 4: So, speaking of the burning of fuel, I thought it 255 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 4: was interesting. I was just going through email, and we 256 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 4: get a heck of a lot of it. And notice 257 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 4: we have a handful of people all asking the same question. 258 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 4: In essence, if we don't depend on the straits of 259 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 4: horror moves, as Donald Trump has said repeatedly, then why 260 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 4: are our gas prices going so high? And I was 261 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 4: mildly surprised that some of the people asking that, But 262 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 4: then you know, everybody studies different things, and those different 263 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 4: things here's the answer. 264 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 2: It's fairly simple. Number one, oil is a global commodity. 265 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 4: And I'm reading now, think of the world's oil supply 266 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 4: like a single giant bathtub. Even if we're only dipping 267 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 4: our cup into the North American side of the tub, 268 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 4: when someone pulls the plug in the Middle East side, 269 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 4: the water levels drops for everybody. The twenty percent rule, 270 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 4: roughly twenty percent of the world's total oil supply passed 271 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 4: through that narrow strait. And you can see how if 272 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 4: prices skyrocket in Asia, for instance, the prices kind of react. 273 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 2: All over the world. It's global market. 274 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:00,440 Speaker 4: There's also a difference in the kinds of oil different 275 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 4: countries used from different places. 276 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 2: Well, I think that's what why the global market thing 277 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 2: plays in. Is weird we're doing a different kind of oil, 278 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 2: because otherwise, couldn't we just go isolated. Couldn't we just 279 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:11,199 Speaker 2: stay out of the global market, pump our own oil, 280 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 2: use our own oil, and just stay out of the 281 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:15,959 Speaker 2: global global market in the same way, typically in the 282 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 2: same way that I could make my own beer and 283 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 2: charge myself for whatever I want to charge. 284 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, but that would be a complete restructuring of 285 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 4: how oil markets have always worked. 286 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 2: So it would be I think, is enormous, completely independent. 287 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 4: You're a market tools drill, baby drill, Oh, tariff baby tariff, 288 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 4: let's see. 289 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 2: Uh. 290 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 4: And then there's the way the oil markets work, and 291 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 4: and gas is, you know, obviously refined oil. The fear 292 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 4: premium what they call because it's all based on the 293 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 4: futures market. Gas prices often jumped before a single barrel 294 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 4: of oil is actually lost traders on the commodities market 295 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 4: by oil futures contracts for oil to be delivered months 296 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 4: from now. 297 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 2: That's how it works. 298 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 4: When a critical choke point like the straight orform moves 299 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 4: is threatened closed, traders panic and bid prices higher to 300 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 4: hedge against a future shortage. That fear premium is passed 301 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 4: directly to gas stations almost immediately. And I could get 302 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 4: into some more details, but that's it. The short answer 303 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 4: is it's a global market and always has been. 304 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 2: Hired somebody making this point. A lot of the politicians 305 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 2: that are making the loudest noises about the price of oil, 306 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 2: slash the price of gas and how awful it is 307 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 2: are from states where they artificially keep the price of 308 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 2: gas high to try to drive you into electric cars. 309 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 2: Oh great, like California. The whole point of our gas 310 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 2: being so high. A lot of the taxes is hoping 311 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 2: that you'll stop driving, you'll start car pooling, you get 312 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 2: an electric car, all that sort of stuff. But when 313 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 2: Trump launches this war, then you scream and yell about 314 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 2: the price of gas like you care. You love it 315 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 2: being high. You want people to stop driving gas barred cars. Oh, 316 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 2: they're just so utterly dishonest. That's discouraging. God. I was 317 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 2: driving over the weekend to UH San Francisco and and 318 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 2: they've expanded the Diamond lane the carpool lane. It used 319 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 2: to be just a very short portion of light drive. 320 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 2: Now it's the entire way and it's just empty. There's 321 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 2: nobody in it. Oh and it's seven days a week. 322 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 2: That's why I'm so mad about it. It's all day 323 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 2: Saturday too, So on Saturday you have the carpool lane. 324 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 2: So you're taking away in some cases twenty five percent 325 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 2: of the lanes because there's only four lanes that anybody 326 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 2: can drive on, And so traffic is horrible on a 327 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 2: Saturday at eleven am because a quarter of the lanes 328 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 2: you can't use. It accomplishes nothing other than. 329 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 4: Every responsible study has shown that it either accomplishes nothing 330 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 4: or makes pollution worse. 331 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 2: That's correct. 332 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what it's like, a superstitious gesture by the 333 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 4: environmental left. It does nothing well that and it's the 334 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 4: goal is to make you miserable enough that you'll take 335 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 4: the train or carpool or some bs that they think 336 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 4: they're gonna make us do, which we never are. So 337 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 4: birth tourists, Chinese hollar garchs popping out kids in America 338 00:16:56,880 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 4: for the citizenship birthright citizenship before the Supreme Court. The 339 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 4: oral arguments were yesterday with the President in attendance. We'll 340 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 4: talk to Joe Lopino Esposito of the Pacific Legal Foundation 341 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 4: about how those arguments went and how he thinks it 342 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 4: might turn out. 343 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 2: Damn, it's the opposite of what I want. I think. 344 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 2: What do you think? Good? All right, Jo. 345 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:16,439 Speaker 4: Armstrong and Getty. 346 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 5: There are five hundred, five hundred birth tourism companies in 347 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:25,679 Speaker 5: the People's Republic of China, who's what business is to 348 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 5: bring people here to give birth and return to that nation. 349 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: Having said all that, you do agree that that has 350 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: no impact on the legal analysis before us. 351 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:38,679 Speaker 7: I think it's I quote with Justice Clia said in 352 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 7: his Homdan descent, where they like their interpretation has these 353 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 7: implications that could not possibly have been approved by the 354 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:50,880 Speaker 7: nineteenth century framers of this amendment. I think that shows 355 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:52,679 Speaker 7: that they made a mess and their interpretation has made 356 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 7: a mess of the provision. 357 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 2: Hmmm. 358 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:57,640 Speaker 4: Some of the oral arguments before the Supreme Court yesterday, 359 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:01,400 Speaker 4: with notably the President in attendance way the Fourteenth Amendment 360 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:03,919 Speaker 4: and birthright citizenship and that sort of thing, it strikes me. 361 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 4: It's such an interesting topic for a lot of reasons, 362 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 4: including the utter change in the way the world works 363 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 4: and immigration works, and you can jet around the world 364 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 4: in a single day and anyway to examine this question 365 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 4: and then how the oral arguments went. Who better to 366 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:22,920 Speaker 4: talk to than Joe Lupino Esposito of the Pacific Legal Foundation. 367 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 4: Joe leads a team dedicated to developing solutions and advocating 368 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:29,679 Speaker 4: for change in federal law that respects the Constitution and 369 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 4: isligned with PLF's legal practice. Joe, welcome, How are you, sir? 370 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: I'm doing well. 371 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. 372 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 1: So. 373 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:38,959 Speaker 4: Do you find the oral arguments pretty interesting yesterday? And 374 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:40,679 Speaker 4: what'd you make of them? 375 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, they were pretty exciting obviously, Like you mentioned, 376 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 1: the President being in the room, that's pretty tough for 377 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 1: your boss looking over your shoulder there. But I think 378 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 1: John Sower did a very good job with a very 379 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:56,120 Speaker 1: difficult question and really an uphill battle for the president 380 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: by trying to attack the idea of birthright systemship through 381 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:02,959 Speaker 1: an execut of order. So really the justices were engaged 382 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,919 Speaker 1: on a whole bunch of different levels here, but primarily 383 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:07,920 Speaker 1: it seemed to really come down to this issue of 384 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:11,400 Speaker 1: what was the original intention of the fourteenth Amendment, who 385 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 1: was it really meant for, what was the context of 386 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: when that was passed? And then further, have there been 387 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 1: any precedents that have gone forward since that date, like 388 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: in the late eighteen nineties. The one that kept mentioning 389 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 1: was the Wong Kim arc case, and that was another 390 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 1: one that they wanted to kind of recabin and sours 391 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:32,239 Speaker 1: argument essentially was we need to look at it a 392 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 1: different way and then I think you will find that 393 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 1: we are on the right side. So that was his take, 394 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 1: and he got quite a bit of challenge on that. 395 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 2: Well, wasn't the original intention for children of slaves? And 396 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 2: unless you're two hundred and some years old, there are 397 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 2: no children of slaves that apply, So then where does 398 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:46,880 Speaker 2: this break down? 399 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 1: Right? Exactly and naturally the essential question, right, And during 400 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,120 Speaker 1: the arguments, I don't recall which justice brought it up, 401 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: might have been Justice Toledo had said something along the 402 00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 1: lines of, you know, are some of these rules of 403 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:02,639 Speaker 1: the constitution, these pieces of the constitution sort of a 404 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: rule for all time? Or are they very specific? You know, 405 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 1: so if you have a law that says there's no theft, 406 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 1: but microwaves didn't exist, but you get your microwaves stolen, 407 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: well it's still a good general rule, right. 408 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 2: I mean, these are the things. 409 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: They bring up over there, right. I love the analogies 410 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 1: over there, but yeah, I mean it's true, right, So 411 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 1: like is that a universal rule? So of course, from 412 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: the other side, they're saying, well, look, in the eighteen 413 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:32,159 Speaker 1: nineties we were still obviously had some children as slaves 414 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:35,160 Speaker 1: at that point, but you know, we're looking forward into 415 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 1: the next century where this won't be And in that case, 416 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: they said, ironically enough for the clip you guys just played, 417 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,639 Speaker 1: it was an issue of somebody who was a Chinese 418 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:47,159 Speaker 1: national because at the time, under the current laws that 419 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:50,119 Speaker 1: were in place at that time, Chinese immigrants could not 420 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,399 Speaker 1: become citizens. They were restricted from becoming citizens. So the 421 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 1: argument was could their child become a citizen, and at 422 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: the time they said yes, the fourteenth Amendment guarantees that. 423 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 1: But the question there, of course, was well what qualifies 424 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 1: the parents? And the discussion was around the parents and 425 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 1: their domicile and their allegiances. And that's what we heard 426 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 1: a bunch about in the argument yesterday. 427 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 2: Right. 428 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 4: The question of domicile, meaning where do you live? Where 429 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 4: is your home, is such a different question now than 430 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 4: it was then. I mean, I could on a whim 431 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 4: be in London tonight, stay there for a couple of weeks, 432 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 4: you know, with my pregnant wife, and we could give 433 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 4: birth in London because I think London's cool, and then 434 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 4: fly back and so all of this was unimaginable. What 435 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 4: is So the whole question of what does domicile mean? 436 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 2: Was pretty key, wasn't it. Oh? 437 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I got mentioned dozens It's not one hundred 438 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 1: times yesterday. 439 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 2: And it was interesting because we. 440 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 1: Saw even some of the more less leaning judges questioning 441 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: Trump's opposing counsel, you know, at the ACLU, saying, you know, 442 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: I don't think they mentioned domicile so often just for fun. 443 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: You know, how are you going to get around this problem? 444 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,120 Speaker 1: More difficult question for them. The way they would turn 445 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 1: on that, of course, is to say, well, the question 446 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,879 Speaker 1: has never been about the parents. It has always just 447 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,679 Speaker 1: been about following the soil. If you are here and 448 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 1: you were born here, that's how it goes. Of course, 449 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,919 Speaker 1: on the other side, you know, John Sower and the 450 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 1: administration would say, well, look, in other cases, we've drawn 451 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 1: out certain exceptions as if those are just always assumed. 452 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: So things like diplomat's children, or if somebody is born 453 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 1: on Indian land or of Indian parents of tribal land, 454 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 1: these are always the exceptions that have been drawn out. 455 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: So why wouldn't we kind of come to the next 456 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,159 Speaker 1: conclusion and say, well, this is yet another example because 457 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: things have changed. But of course that led to probably 458 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 1: the best line of the oral argument, where John Sower 459 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: said it's a whole new world and John Roberts replied, 460 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,880 Speaker 1: it's a new world, but the same constitution. So that's 461 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 1: where I think they're gonna have a lot of trouble. 462 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 2: Okay, Fine, So if we want the result of people 463 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 2: can't just have babies in the United States and they're 464 00:22:57,520 --> 00:22:59,879 Speaker 2: automatically US citizens, how do you get there? 465 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: Right? So that's kind of what will be interesting to 466 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,439 Speaker 1: see how the court comes down here. I mean, I 467 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,439 Speaker 1: think depending on how they want to break down their opinion, 468 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,640 Speaker 1: I think you'd probably have a nine zero saying well, 469 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:12,640 Speaker 1: this can't be done by executive order, no matter if 470 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: you like it or not, say well, is the door 471 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 1: open for legislation to say, look, we can draw some 472 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: exceptions here. It is not a pure guarantee. It is 473 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: not just simply we follow the soil, you are here 474 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,639 Speaker 1: and you're born, because it's obviously not true. Now we 475 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 1: talk about these situations like diplomat's children, right, So it's 476 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 1: not universal as it is. But now how much can 477 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 1: you actually limit that universality or the exceptions that we've 478 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: already found the only ones? Can Congress continue? That probably 479 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 1: wouldn't be, you know, on point for this case. But 480 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,680 Speaker 1: if somebody wanted to write a concurrence, somebody like in 481 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 1: Alido that seemed to be leaning towards the president of 482 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: position but maybe not fully, there could always write a 483 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,639 Speaker 1: concurrence saying look, I think the door is open if 484 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 1: there were some actual law made around this. So that's 485 00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 1: one possibility. Who knows that that could happen, but that 486 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 1: seems to be the opening that could exist here. 487 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,639 Speaker 4: Joe, why don't you count on Congress and I'll count 488 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 4: on the Easter buddy, and we'll see who gets satisfied first. 489 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,919 Speaker 4: Uh Jo from the PLF is online Go ahead, Joe 490 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:15,439 Speaker 4: was gonna say. 491 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,120 Speaker 1: I mean, that is one of the biggest issues. Iff. 492 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 1: We talk a lot about separation of powers and who 493 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: has the right role of doing these things, and that's 494 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: always the issue. It's like, well, timers could do its job. 495 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,439 Speaker 1: I know that's it's a lot to say that, but 496 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: technically that's the way they have it set up, so 497 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 1: that that is really the essential problem that keeps coming 498 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 1: up in a number of issues, not just an immigration. 499 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 2: I was interested to read that there are quite a 500 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,159 Speaker 2: few countries like the UK that did away with this 501 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 2: a while back for a variety of reasons. So it's 502 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 2: not like it's a crazy idea. 503 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,400 Speaker 1: No. I mean again, as a policy matter, I think 504 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,399 Speaker 1: that is definitely an open question do we want to 505 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 1: do that? And just not knowing off hand, is there 506 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 1: a constitution or otherwise it had said you know something 507 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 1: that guaranteed it. Obviously it's a higher three threshold. If 508 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,159 Speaker 1: the court does find that it is in the Constitution, 509 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 1: then I would have to be a higher threshold of 510 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 1: actually getting an amendment, which talk about impossible. That's impossible, 511 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: So that would be a much harder slog. But if 512 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,639 Speaker 1: they leave the opening because of the handful of exceptions, 513 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 1: that's something they can do because I mean politically, I'm 514 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 1: not sure how popular it is, but it probably would 515 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 1: be very popular, and it seems to be popular in 516 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 1: the areas in Europe where this is the case. 517 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, at the very least, you could outlaw just outright 518 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:35,640 Speaker 4: birth tourism, citizenship. But so a more general question, there's 519 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 4: this ludicrous narrative frequently in a lot of the mainstream 520 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 4: media saying that, you know, there's this six to three 521 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 4: conservative deadlock and when so many of the cases are 522 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 4: in really interesting combinations control of MAGA court, that's. 523 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:53,919 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that's ridiculous. 524 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 4: How would you describe the six conservative justices and they're 525 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 4: overlap app of agreement and disagreement. 526 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I think most analysis now actually puts 527 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 1: it more as like a three three three court. Right, 528 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,679 Speaker 1: So obviously you have the three liberal justices, then you 529 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:14,679 Speaker 1: have Kevanaugh Roberts and Barrett in one camp, and then 530 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,919 Speaker 1: the other three conservatives in the other. But even so, 531 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 1: you have a number of cases that are perhaps a 532 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 1: little bit more libertarian leaning where you'll see Gorsach and 533 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 1: Alito and Thomas that started Gorsich on one side and 534 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 1: an Alito and Thomas on the other side on a 535 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,439 Speaker 1: number of cases. So that's often how things can split up, 536 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: particularly in like criminal law cases. Alito is almost never 537 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: going to be on the same side as Gorsach, barring 538 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:39,440 Speaker 1: it being a nine zero decision. So those are just 539 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 1: kind of those rare examples where you see that pop up. 540 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 1: But again, even just this week, we've seen where the 541 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,400 Speaker 1: liberal justices are siding with the conservatives. In the case 542 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,920 Speaker 1: in California regarding conversion therapy, you only had one descent 543 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 1: from Justice Jackson, and frankly kind of a slap down 544 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 1: from Justice Kagan and her concurrence saying, I don't you know, 545 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,640 Speaker 1: in so many words, I'm not quite sure what she's 546 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 1: talking about. So it was pretty interesting to see that. 547 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 2: So this leads me to and I know the answer 548 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 2: to this question, but I want to hear you say, 549 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 2: does it drive you nuts? The mainstream media coverage of 550 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 2: all these cases, because it seems to me like whenever 551 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:20,479 Speaker 2: I look into a decision, the general headline around it 552 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:24,239 Speaker 2: isn't even close to the reason they decided it one 553 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 2: way or the other. 554 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 1: No, you're exactly right. It's it's very frustrating when we 555 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:31,679 Speaker 1: see this all the time, and it seems like the 556 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 1: media often wants to only talk about the cases when 557 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 1: they are five, four and sixty three. I mean store 558 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,359 Speaker 1: like that makes it more exciting. If it's nine zero, 559 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,400 Speaker 1: I guess the issue wasn't that great. But sometimes those 560 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 1: opinions where they are eight one or seven to two 561 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,679 Speaker 1: nine zero are really important to look at because those 562 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 1: are the ones where you should really kind of zoom 563 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 1: in and say, well, this is the thing where everybody 564 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,199 Speaker 1: can agree, this is where the law is at, Like, 565 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 1: this thing should not be a controversy. So when it 566 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,400 Speaker 1: comes to like again just using this week's example conversion 567 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 1: therapy case, there's not a ton of debates here on 568 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,959 Speaker 1: whether or not that was a good idea. Just as Jackson, 569 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 1: notwithstanding you know you had sort of an idiot and 570 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 1: coming along on this, I wouldn't say that because we 571 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: have cases in front of the. 572 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 2: Court so. 573 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:23,680 Speaker 4: Joe, Well put Joe Lopino Esposito of the Pacific Legal Foundation. Hey, Joe, 574 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,880 Speaker 4: we're kind of up against a break and let's talk again. 575 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,120 Speaker 4: An outstanding job, Love the conversation as usual. Everybody we've 576 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 4: talked to from the Pacific Legal Foundation is terrific. 577 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 2: Thanks Joe, and thank you. Oh Hanson, the goldest of 578 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 2: gold stars for him, Oh Love. He won is wonderful. 579 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 2: Money rolls with the silliness, which I really appreciate, roll 580 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 2: with it, idiot, I wouldn't say that because we have 581 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 2: cases before the court. Now, I cut him off. 582 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 4: He was about to make clear, and she is a 583 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 4: learned justice and her credentials are fabulous. Was he about 584 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 4: to say that, as far as you know, he was, Yes, 585 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 4: I want to I do not want to damage the 586 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 4: man's career. 587 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 2: See, I'm not a lawyer, for your chuckles, I'm not 588 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 2: a lawyer, and I so this stuff drives me crazy, 589 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 2: and I understand why it's got to be this way, 590 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 2: but I just want, you know, just things we all 591 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 2: agree on for the most part. It shouldn't be able 592 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 2: to just show up in the United States and have 593 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 2: a baby and you get all the rights of us citizen. 594 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 2: So let's just make that happen somehow. But I realize 595 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 2: you can't run a system that way. 596 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 4: Well, you can run a congress that way. They can 597 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 4: write that law. They just don't do anything but fundraise 598 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 4: and tweet. Oh well, it worked pretty well for two 599 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 4: hundred and fifty years. It was a decent enough front, 600 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 4: all right, stick around, much more to come. 601 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 3: NASA launched his first crude mission to the Moon in 602 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 3: fifty three years. 603 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 7: You have the rocket launch from Cape Canaveral, did a 604 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 7: quick fly by over Kid Rock's house and then headed 605 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 7: for the Moon. 606 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 8: The four astronauts on board are Commander Reid Wiseman, pilot 607 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:10,720 Speaker 8: Victor Glover, mission specialist Christina Cook, and Canadian Space Agency 608 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 8: Mission specialist Jeremy Hansen. Wait hold, wait, shwait, that's right. 609 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 2: I don't see Katie Perry in there. Is it really 610 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 2: a space mission? 611 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 8: If Jeff Bezos hasn't welded a terrified Gail King into 612 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 8: a medal. 613 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 2: Two, why is there a Canadian on our space ship? 614 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 2: So yesterday I announced breaking fleetwood mac news in that 615 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 2: a stalker had thrown some sort of liquid substance at 616 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 2: guitar player Lindsey Graham. It was an old man at 617 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 2: this point. Lindsey Buckingham, Lindsey Graham, what I did that yesterday? 618 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:51,959 Speaker 2: I did that too, yeah yesterday. And Lindsay Graham did 619 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 2: not sing go your own way. Lindsey Buckingham did. 620 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 4: Lindsey Buckingham is not a probably closeted South Carolina senator. 621 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 2: He's a very heterosexual, as he got with the young 622 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 2: Stevie Nicks. Lindsay Buckingham. Anyway, So this happened on the 623 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 2: Santa Monica Peer Los Angeles and this crazy woman, so 624 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 2: you want to be famous, do you? She's fifty four 625 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 2: years old. She's convinced that Lindsay Buckingham is her dad, 626 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 2: and apparently authorities have gone through it well enough to 627 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 2: determine she's not, because this has happened over and over again. 628 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 2: She's been stalking this poor guy for a long long time. 629 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 4: She throws it if it is your dad, don't be 630 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 4: thrown mystery substances and liquids on your dad's rude. 631 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 2: It's a good point. The police are aware of her. 632 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 2: Lindsey Buckingham is very aware of her. She tossed unknown 633 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 2: substance admir and ran off the Los Angeles Police Department 634 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 2: confirmed that the attack did happen. Buckingham has three children 635 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 2: with his wife, and they go through that whole thing 636 00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 2: here in this article. But this woman, the accused stalker, 637 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 2: first began interacting with Lindsay Buckingham five years ago when 638 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 2: she started calling the musician and his wife dozens of times, 639 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 2: leaving long messages, claiming to be his daughter. Wonder how 640 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 2: she got his number? That would be you'd start off 641 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 2: being annoyed and then pretty soon you start to get frightened. 642 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 2: And she just kept calling, leaving long, rambling messages. Oh 643 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 2: and if I'd been a touring musician for many years, 644 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 2: I'd start off thinking, boy, how old here? Let's see 645 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 2: that was the Tusk tour. During this initial period, she 646 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 2: also threatened to kill the family, blamed Lindsay Buckingham for 647 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 2: facial deformities, deformities she suffered as a child, and demanded money. 648 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:50,480 Speaker 2: In twenty twenty two, LAPD officially instructed her to cease 649 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 2: contact with the family. She stopped messaging them, but secretly 650 00:32:54,560 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 2: continued to contact Lindsey. Buckingham's adult son went after him. 651 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 2: The harassment attendsified in twenty twenty four when she set 652 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 2: Buckingham a photocollage of their faces, followed by showing up 653 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 2: at his home. You know, you get a picture of 654 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 2: here's everybody in your family. You know that what kind 655 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 2: of threat that is? She swatted the family in twenty 656 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 2: twenty four, making a false nine to one one report 657 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,239 Speaker 2: that led to Lindsey Buckingham being handcuffed and led from 658 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 2: his home. Oh, until they figured out what was going on. 659 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 2: Then he got a permanent restraining order against her. I 660 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 2: didn't know that was a thing. A permanent restraining order. 661 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 2: She can't come near him for the rest of his life. 662 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 2: And that's what she was in violation of the other day. 663 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 2: Apparently she lives in her car somewhere. They haven't found her. Wow, 664 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:50,880 Speaker 2: what that suck. Oh, there's no reasoning with a crazy first. Now, 665 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 2: I do assume, because it doesn't say anything in there, 666 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 2: that with all of these different incidents occurring, they've determined 667 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 2: that her claim is not real. Oh yeah, I think, yeah, 668 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 2: you would check that box because, as you said, you're 669 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 2: a one of the most famous rock stars on planet Earth. 670 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 2: She'd have been born in the seventies. There has to 671 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 2: be at least the chance conceivably in a moment of weakness. 672 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 4: Exactly, you found yourself that you're highly embarrassed about. 673 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:23,800 Speaker 2: And ashamed of. Oh terrible. 674 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 4: It was a lapse, yes, but it does happen from 675 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:30,320 Speaker 4: what I'm told anyway. Yeah, how troubling. Oh, speaking of 676 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 4: crazy people in La next hour. Maybe you don't get 677 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,840 Speaker 4: Next Hour, you gotta subscribe to the podcast Armstrong and 678 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:42,280 Speaker 4: Getty on demand. You remember the subterranean sword junkies in La. Well, 679 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:46,279 Speaker 4: the woman who was featured on that news report, her 680 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 4: families come out and made a powerful statement. 681 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:54,239 Speaker 2: What they said will shock you. Okay, stay with us 682 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 2: or come back, and then you're gonna explain the whole 683 00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:00,479 Speaker 2: China versus US space race. I'm into that. Yeah. Yeah, 684 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 2: this is a serious, serious thing and gets no attention 685 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,759 Speaker 2: around the why we're going to the moon. We're not 686 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 2: a serious country. That's the That's the entire point of 687 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,319 Speaker 2: why we're going to the moon. Yes, is the is 688 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,759 Speaker 2: the military race with China. No, we're not obliterated from 689 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,759 Speaker 2: the moon by China. Yeah, if you missake gets the 690 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 2: podcast Armstrong and Getty on Demand. 691 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,720 Speaker 1: Armstrong and Getty