1 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 1: The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 2 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club Cowboys. This is the 3 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:18,479 Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war room for 4 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:22,600 Speaker 1: insider news and trapped analysis from deep within the confines 5 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: of Cowboys headquarters at the Star in Fresco. And now 6 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: your hosts Brian brought us, Jeff Kavanaugh, Kyle Yeomans, and 7 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: David Hellman. It is Thursday, April the seventh. It is 8 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:45,919 Speaker 1: time for another episode of the Draft Show, presented by 9 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: our friends at Miller Lite. I'm Dave Hellman. I'm joined 10 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: by Kyle Yeoman's and Brian brought us. Jeff Kavanaughs out 11 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: in East Texas somewhere. I think, yeah, Lake Cato, right, 12 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: something like that, hanging out. He's in beautiful. Beautiful to 13 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: see him out there, say hello, ask him to a 14 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: mock draft for you. I tried to get the I 15 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 1: tried to get the invite he didn't offer. That's okay. 16 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 1: We will guide you all through the next hour of 17 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:15,759 Speaker 1: draft talk, and guys, be honest. I'm I'm bored of 18 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: the talking points. I'm bored of the guard receiver Zion 19 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: Kenyon Green, Chris Lava Traylan Burke's conversation. I think he's 20 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 1: saying there brought us he doesn't love the draft. No, no, no, 21 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 1: I'm gonna take it another direction, cot which we will 22 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 1: point out thirty visits are ongoing. Ironically, I think you know, 23 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:43,199 Speaker 1: Kenyon Green and Zion Johnson were like here yesterday. Big 24 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: time prospects continue to roll through the Star. But what 25 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: I want to do, it's not that I don't like 26 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: the draft. I want to I want to go another 27 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: layer deep because I feel like there's only so much 28 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: we can say you love it too much. I want 29 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: to get into the nitty gritty good. I want to 30 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: start here at guard because just more more than anything 31 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: at that position specifically, because like we've covered the gamut 32 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 1: with receiver and a bunch of these other positions, I 33 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: wonder if we've given the guard position it's due credit 34 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: considering how big of a need it is for this 35 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: Cowboys team. So I wanted to talk to you all 36 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: about some of the other guys, the guys that aren't 37 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: at the top of the depth chart, whether that's Darian Kinnard, 38 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: who we've talked about a little bit, or Jamari Sailor 39 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 1: out of Georgia, who I don't think we've talked about 40 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 1: at all on this show. If the Cowboys don't draft 41 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 1: a guard with the twenty fourth overall pick, I would 42 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 1: just love to get a better idea of how y'all 43 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: feel about the position. I think, you know when you 44 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: all these positions, when you dive into them. Because I 45 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: don't have that many first round grades. You have twenty 46 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: guys on my first round grade board, so now, okay, 47 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 1: where are the bulk of those other names appearing? And 48 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: you know, the guard spot, to me is one of 49 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: those positions that has a little depth from the rounds two, three, four. 50 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:08,399 Speaker 1: I think the fact that you have guys that were 51 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: converted tackles that are projected to guards, you know, I 52 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: think that adds to a little bit to the intrigue 53 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 1: are you you know with the Cowboys, they're in a situation. 54 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: Would always believe in position flexibility. Can the guy do this? 55 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: Can a guy do that? I would just rather, hey, 56 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: find a guy, plug him in and let him play. 57 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: But yeah, this is this is a this is a 58 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: group that I kind of feel like though that if 59 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 1: you didn't get one in the first round, that you 60 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: could find somebody offensive linemen are weird that way that 61 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, the first round ones are great to have, 62 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: and Dallas has done a great job with plug and 63 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: play first round guys. But the second, third round, fourth 64 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: round guys, it might be one or two there that 65 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: end up being better off than some maybe some of 66 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: these first round guys were talking about. And it's it's 67 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: tough to project because you mentioned kind of the position 68 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: flex and I know that's a hated term around draft time, 69 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: but it's it's guys that are projected to be in 70 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: a different position than they played in college. And you 71 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: you mentioned the second level of guys. Outside of Green 72 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: and Johnson, who of course played the guard position and 73 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: did so effectively in college, the next four guys on 74 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 1: my list are at Ingram, Tyler Smith, Jeremy Sawyer, and 75 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 1: Daryan Kinnard. Those four, out of three of those four 76 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: guys played tackle in college, and that's Kinnard, Smith, and Sawyer. 77 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 1: So all three of those guys are making that projected 78 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: jump into guard. They've maybe played it a little bit, 79 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: but it's tough to really tell just how good they're 80 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 1: going to be and if they're ready to make that 81 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 1: jump into the NFL and make the switch to guard 82 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 1: at the same time. You know, I you know there's 83 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: and Kyle's absolutely right about that. You know. I'll also 84 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 1: include a guy, Justin Schaeffer from george as another guy 85 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: that I really really like. I know, it's almost like 86 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: they won the national title or something. Yeah, but you 87 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: know there's who dozen of these is a senior Bowl guy. Yeah, 88 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 1: he started left he started left guard for Georgia and 89 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say that the names he has are 90 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: absolutely right. Ryan from UCLA is another guy that's in there. 91 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 1: So we got we get a lot of questions about him. 92 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:14,919 Speaker 1: Can you just take me through Sean Ryan really quickly? Yeah, 93 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: I think with Sean Ryan. He started left tackle for 94 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 1: UCLA and people project him to play guard. I mean 95 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: he's a big guy, six to five, he's three twenty one. 96 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 1: But you know he'll they'll line him up at both 97 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: tackle spots because they play unbalanced lines sometimes. I mean 98 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:31,479 Speaker 1: him balanced this like if he's the left tackle, he'll 99 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: line up on the right side. They'll just go heavy 100 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: to one side of it. And but this is a 101 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: massive guy that moves fairly well. I mean his basse 102 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 1: I thought got a little narrow at times at run 103 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 1: blocking and he just like uses masks to try and 104 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 1: get movement more than he will technique. And I think 105 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 1: there's some bullyiness to his game, you know, as a 106 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 1: run blocker, and I think that's where you get kind 107 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: of you kind of see like, Okay, I get what 108 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: he is. He's a big guy. He's going a bully you. 109 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: But you know he can he can make blocks in space. 110 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 1: There's a lot of times where you watch him get 111 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:10,359 Speaker 1: as a tackle. They run the screens, they do stuff 112 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: where uh, he's a draw and it's like he has 113 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 1: to wheel on a guy and then push and widen 114 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: the guy. I mean, he there's there. You know, there 115 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 1: was there was times where I thought that were you know, 116 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: he was a little bit high coming off the ball. 117 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: But other than that, man again, that's a big man 118 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: that moves fairly well. I think he always looks under control. 119 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 1: As what I had as as my first note was 120 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 1: he looks under control. And for a guy that's six 121 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: foot four and twenty pounds, I mean that's pretty impressive. Yeah, 122 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: I actually comped into a bigger Connor Williams, a guy 123 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:47,720 Speaker 1: who played tackle in college, was really good in the run. 124 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 1: Was a guy who they put on the run a lot, 125 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: because in that spread offense at UCLA, it wasn't like 126 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:54,599 Speaker 1: he was doing traditional pass sets. It was mostly on 127 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:57,840 Speaker 1: the run trying to get to the second level, utilizing athleticism, 128 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: which he certainly has, and he was super aggressive at 129 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: doing so. I mean, he was just overly aggressive. Sometimes 130 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:06,359 Speaker 1: got a little headstrong, like you said, out of position, 131 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: but that was mostly because he was just headhunting on 132 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 1: the way to whoever he was trying to lock up 133 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: on a block. But I think for a guy who's 134 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: a later pick, it goes back to what Brian was saying, 135 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: there is value outside of the first round at the 136 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: offensive line spot, which bodes well for the Cowboys if 137 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: they wanted to go a different direction. Six four three 138 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: twenty one. Yeah, that's a big fellow right there. Yeah. 139 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: Speaking of which, right behind him, another guy I don't 140 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: think we've given. We haven't given his due credit as Sawyer, 141 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: the other Georgia guy. What can you tell me about him? 142 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 1: About Sawyer? You know, he was the starting left tackle, 143 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: So you know, here you have Sawyer and Schaefer playing 144 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: on both on the left side for Georgia, and when 145 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: you watched him run the football. That's the direction that 146 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 1: they were going. And you know, I don't think that 147 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: Sawyer is like when you start talking about body control 148 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: and balance, but his athletic ability will surprise you. And 149 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: the movement he has for three twenty one pounds is 150 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: really really impressive. You watch the Michigan game and all 151 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: of a sudden, he's handling both their defensive ends and 152 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: we're talking about those two Cats as being first round, 153 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: one of them talking about maybe going first overall, and 154 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 1: there was some there was It was very frustrating to 155 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: those Michigan edge players to have to deal with Sawyer 156 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: a here. I mean, this guy's got some stoutness to him. 157 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: There was only one snap that I did see where 158 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: Hutchinson used an arm over move on him, but other 159 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: than that boom, everything else was was great. He gets 160 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 1: movement in the running game because of his masks. He's 161 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:43,959 Speaker 1: going to overpower defenders when he comes off the ball, 162 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: when he leans on you, you know he's gonna get 163 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: movement that way. And I kind of felt like though that, 164 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: you know, when he gets away from the line of scrimmage, 165 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: this pass set and all that, everything was really really 166 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 1: spot on for him. So again another one of those 167 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: guys that doesn't get overextended, doesn't get out of balance. 168 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:05,559 Speaker 1: Sometimes the body control, like I say, a little little 169 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:08,959 Speaker 1: ify there, but not always. But watched that Michigan game 170 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: and you'll be impressed by the way he's playing. That 171 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: was by far my favorite tape that I watched. And 172 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: then it was also interesting because in that National Championship 173 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: game he took snaps at guard and tackle. He remember 174 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 1: game two, yeah, back and forth, and was a part 175 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 1: of that that kind of mixture of guys up front 176 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:29,079 Speaker 1: for Georgia. One thing I noted against uh Sawyer and 177 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: that's one of the reasons I knocked his draft stock 178 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: a little bit. It looked like outside of the Michigan game, 179 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 1: he struggled a little bit against athletic edges, like the 180 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: stronger edges that are a little bit slower off the snap. 181 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 1: He handled pretty much all the way through the SEC 182 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: play but against Kentucky in Arkansas and Alabama a couple 183 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: times when it was the quicker guys off the edge, 184 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: he struggled. Did you see any of that as well? 185 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: You know, it was funny because the games that I 186 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: was watching and were with the playoff game and then 187 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: the National Championship game, and because I was real interested 188 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 1: because of like you were talking about, you know, with 189 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 1: those defensive ends at Michigan, do both of those guys 190 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 1: are pretty quick, you know, both of get all at 191 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: all And that's the one that kind of provided me 192 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 1: pass because I'm looking at him handling Aidan Hutchinson David 193 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 1: a Jabo and then you go to Kentucky and Lewis 194 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: Pascal or Dash Pascal getting after him all the way through. 195 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 1: So it was it was an interesting back and forth. 196 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 1: That was what of Pascal's best games too. By the way, 197 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: if you want to watch a defensive endplay and you know, 198 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,199 Speaker 1: if you want to get an idea, but yeah, I 199 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: kind of felt like though to me that that you know, 200 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 1: at that size and that weight, and I saw a 201 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 1: guy getting away from the line pretty well be so 202 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,199 Speaker 1: that that kind of just you know, I didn't see 203 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: what you were talking about. But you know, there's there's 204 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 1: things you miss is you're watching these guys. So you 205 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 1: guys are both way north of one hundred players scouted. 206 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:54,679 Speaker 1: You're looking at your board and you just said you 207 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: don't have any ones, So how many twos do you have? Well, 208 00:10:57,640 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. No, I if you look at 209 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 1: my if you look at my twos and it's Green, Johnson, Ingram, 210 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 1: and Kennard are the guys that I would say that 211 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 1: would be my twos. And then the guys we just 212 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: talked about, Sawyer Schaeffer, I like Mumford from Ohio State. 213 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: I'm starting now in the third and Ryan in the third. 214 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: So I've got if you really look at I've got 215 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 1: eight guys in the first three rounds. Well, yeah, eight 216 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: guys in the first three rounds, and then another three 217 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 1: guys in the fourth. So I've got plenty of guards 218 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: when it comes down to this right there with you. 219 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: Four guys in the second Green, Johnson, Knard, Ingram, Johnson 220 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: and Green are one two cheater grades for me. That 221 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: that kind of one two punch that we've talked about previously. 222 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 1: I have eight guys in the first three rounds, but 223 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 1: they're just different guys throughout. Sawyer's in there, Ingram's in there, 224 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 1: and then I've got Tyler Smith, but I know he 225 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: could probably be a tackle guard back and forth. Lex 226 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: Dylan Parham from Memphis is in that conversation as an 227 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: interior guy and then I've got Kade May's, and Andrew's 228 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: Andrew Stabort from Michigan. I'm trying to remember how to 229 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 1: say his name, but stupor in the that borderline third 230 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 1: round guys uh that are on the outside looking like 231 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: this moment, there's a Lexus I think I said right, 232 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 1: Lexus Smith from Virginia Tech is another guy you can see. Okay, 233 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: Senior Bowl guy. Okay, remember him le Setus. Okay, it's 234 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: one days. I'm gonna get these guys names, right, I'll 235 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,599 Speaker 1: probably never but yeah, give him give hiving trouble with 236 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: this draft too. Yeah, there's some some strange ones too, 237 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 1: and there's cold strange yep. Ah see what I'm doing there, 238 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: which uh Chattanooga right, Yeah, Senior Bowl guy. No disrespect 239 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 1: to him whatsoever. I We've gotten a lot of questions 240 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: about him as well. But I just I get stuck 241 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: in that mode where I'm like, if you played at 242 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 1: an FCS school, I just gotta I gotta see you 243 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 1: get drafted here to believe it will happen. Yeah, you know, 244 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: I wasn't. I had him in the I had him 245 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 1: in the fourth round, and I I just kind of 246 00:12:56,640 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: said like about him, was kind of an throw back 247 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: or old school player. He doesn't wear any gloves or 248 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 1: hand protection on his head. Those are the nastiest guy. Yeah, 249 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:07,559 Speaker 1: and so I mean it's I said, that's something you 250 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: don't see very often. But you know, he didn't appear 251 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: to give up on blocks, and he stayed on his 252 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: feed and I mean, good foot athlete on tape. I 253 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 1: didn't see him on the ground all that much. But 254 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 1: you know, I mean I thought finishing was pretty good. 255 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 1: I thought he could climb his guy pretty good. Movement 256 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: skills are good, but he's just not very clean on 257 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 1: some of the athletic pools and stuff like that. It's 258 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 1: kind of a little bit about watching Jerkins, the center 259 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: from Nebraska. Everybody says, oh, this guy tested really really well, 260 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 1: and I'm like, yeah, but he watched the tape against Oklahoma. 261 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: He's getting rocked a little bit. He looks out of balance, 262 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: he looks you know, he's playing on one leg. You know, 263 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: I'm kind of like, Okay, if you want to tell 264 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 1: me he's a great athlete, fine, well, there's a lot 265 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 1: of Nebraska players, if you want to go through the history, 266 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 1: that have always tested very well and haven't played very well. 267 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 1: You know, so that's kind of where But if you 268 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: watch the tape of him the Oklahoma game is pretty 269 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 1: eye opening. It that's something you want to do. So 270 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 1: you just said eight guys, and so I feel better 271 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 1: about this than I did at the top of the show. 272 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:12,319 Speaker 1: But I think it's still fair to say. I would 273 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 1: imagine I feel better about your options on day two 274 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: at receiver than I would have guard. You know. And 275 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 1: the thing about it is, though, and you've got to 276 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: remember this, that they had a second round grade on 277 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: Connor McGovern. Yeah, grade if one to one. That scares 278 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: the though I almost said a bad work. That scares 279 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: the crap out of you, doesn't it. Yeah, Well, just 280 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: knowing that plays to how scared you actually are of this. Well, 281 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 1: I mean we've we've talked a lot about it, and 282 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: rightfully so, I mean they had a very high grade 283 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 1: on him, and I think entering a contract year, yeah, 284 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 1: you would have to say it hasn't worked out all that. 285 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: There seems to be some thought that they might let 286 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: him compete against the center and see if if in 287 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: fact that he could be a center. You know, that's 288 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: that instead of playing some guard. But you know, I mean, 289 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 1: we you know. On my radio show yesterday, we had 290 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: the discussion about would you move Would you move if 291 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: you knew that Connor mcgovernn was a good right guard? 292 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 1: Would you move Zack? Yeah? We talked about that until 293 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: last week. Okay, move Zack to left guard? Yeah? Yeah, 294 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 1: so I mean the same thing. I mean, it's kind 295 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 1: of kind of crazy to think, but if you, you know, 296 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: would you always think about get your best five on 297 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 1: the field? Yeah, you know, yeah we did. I'm I'm 298 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: just so torn by that idea, because, hey, Zach, you're 299 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: the best in the league. Get your job. You you're 300 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: the problem. You have to like flip it the old 301 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: the office space quote, why should I change? He's the 302 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 1: one that sucks? Yeah, you know, but at the same time, 303 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 1: you gotta get your best five on the field. I 304 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: wasn't here for this conversation. Did you say you would 305 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: do that, Brian, or you know what? I would? I 306 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: think I would, you know, at least entertain it. Yeah. 307 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: I think you'd have to ask, but I'm not I 308 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: wouldn't be like, why move a Hall of Fame guard? 309 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 1: I mean, but if it meant that maybe that you 310 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: could fix your position, I think you'd have to consider it. 311 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: I want to if I could ask you guys a question. Sure, 312 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: And we talked to me. I remember, like say the 313 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: thirty visit things. I'm still trying to get my arms 314 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: around the Charles Cross thing. Okay, why he's on their list? Yeah, 315 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: And I asked guys around the league, and nobody was 316 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: saying anything negative about Charles Cross, Like am I missing 317 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: Charles Cross? Like beats up puppies or something like that, 318 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: or you know what I'm saying. I mean, is there 319 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: something that is there's something keeping Charles Cross from I 320 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: mean because every mock draft, every every one of my 321 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: I'm scene, he doesn't go lower than the top ten. 322 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 1: And then yesterday we did an exercise again on my 323 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: radio show where myself and Gavin Dawson we're trying to 324 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: trade up to spots and we were trying to figure 325 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 1: out would it be worth your first and your second 326 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 1: to go get a guy like Charles Cross, you know, 327 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: And then we got to like around like the thirteenth 328 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: and fourteenth pick, and then we stopped having interest in 329 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: what because we felt like that there were only maybe 330 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: a couple of guys there, but Charles Cross would be 331 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: seemed like the only guy that you would trade up for. 332 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 1: Am I right about that? Say the third visit guys? Okay, 333 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: if the guys on the list, um, how big of 334 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: a trade. That's what I'm saying. If you had to 335 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:10,679 Speaker 1: go to the commanders, it's gonna cost you your first 336 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 1: in your second. Yeah, if you're going, you know, it 337 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: gets a little a little better if you get down 338 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 1: to like if you know, if you think he's gonna 339 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 1: be there at thirteen fourteen, you know that that's about 340 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: where you probably are gonna have to stop because everybody, 341 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:26,479 Speaker 1: I mean, there's a team at thirteen. It's gonna use 342 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,199 Speaker 1: you can use an offensive tack? What Houston? Yeah? You know, 343 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:31,159 Speaker 1: do you have to jump ahead at Houston to make 344 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:33,640 Speaker 1: sure you have a chance at Charles Cross? Because there's 345 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 1: there's three names on the list that I'm looking at 346 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 1: that you may have to go up to get and 347 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:40,399 Speaker 1: that I completely don't think there's even a chance they 348 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 1: slide the twenty four Cross Lloyd and I wouldn't even 349 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: say Lloyd. I wouldn't put him in that maybe borderline 350 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 1: but a Lobby and London maybe I was thinking London 351 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 1: and Jordan Davis d those are the three that like 352 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: if I circled it and said, I'm I'm saying these 353 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 1: guys are top fifteen picks, it would be Davis, it 354 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 1: would be h Drake London, and then it'd be Charles Cross. 355 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:04,879 Speaker 1: Cross maybe the top name out of those three. Yeah. 356 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:08,479 Speaker 1: So he also plays the most valuable position probably, so 357 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: there's even more so of a chance that he doesn't 358 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 1: fall outside of the top eight. If you told me 359 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 1: that I drafted Charles Cross, I'd ask Zack Martin to 360 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: move to left guard. That's what I'm trying to get at. Okay, 361 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:24,120 Speaker 1: you know, because you're putting Cross at right tackle. Yeah, 362 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: you know what, And I'm sorry, Uh, I'm sorry, Terrence. 363 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 1: Still you become my swing tackle in week five when 364 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:32,120 Speaker 1: Tyrn Smith gets rolled up on Yeah, misses three games 365 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:34,640 Speaker 1: with the high ankle spring. Actually and well, in that case, yeah, say, 366 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:38,680 Speaker 1: in that case, Charles Cross becomes my left tackle. Yeah, exactly, right, Yeah, 367 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:42,159 Speaker 1: exactly exactly. If If I were to drafted Charles Cross, 368 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 1: I would I would ask Zach Martin had been make 369 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 1: the move? Okay, because what I'm what I'm learning is 370 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 1: about talking to my pro scout guys around the league, 371 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 1: the guys that are available the guys that are available 372 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:56,439 Speaker 1: on the street. Every one of these guys has issues. 373 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, every one of these guys is talking about 374 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 1: the Trey Turner. If you look at See Traders, everybody 375 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: look at the list of guys that are still available, 376 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:07,880 Speaker 1: it's it's hardly inspiring. It makes I mean the one 377 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 1: there was one guy. There was one guy that my 378 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: my pro scouting buddies gave me as a name to 379 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:17,439 Speaker 1: maybe if to keep an eye on and if I 380 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 1: could pull it up real quick. It was a kid 381 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 1: name Trenton Scott from Carolina. He's evidently on the street 382 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: and he said, my guy say, he's a swing tackle 383 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: that played some guard. Watched the first Carolina game versus Atlanta. 384 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 1: He just mauled the Falcons. From what I was told, 385 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: big physical, pretty versatile. But everybody else did. I asked 386 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 1: about the trade Turners and the other guys, everybody of 387 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:43,199 Speaker 1: them was like, they're all broken down, they're starting to decline. 388 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 1: You know. That's the biggest fear of Stephen Jones is 389 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:47,639 Speaker 1: to buy one of these guys. Then all of a 390 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:50,920 Speaker 1: sudden it turns into a Gerald McCoy or somebody like that, 391 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: which when you look at it again, I don't somebody 392 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: else went off the board yesterday. I don't remember who 393 00:19:57,040 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: it was, but a veteran offensive line Oh it was GERMAINEA. Yeah, 394 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 1: Na Fetti signed yesterday. And you look at the list 395 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 1: and you're like, Okay, I think it would have been 396 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 1: smart for the Cowboys to do something earlier, but at 397 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: this point you're probably better off waiting and seeing what 398 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 1: you get in the draft. See that's where I was 399 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 1: kind of feeling like, and there's a you know, there's 400 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 1: a bunch of rumors going around about the little the 401 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:19,639 Speaker 1: wide receiver from Houston right that the Cowboys. I'm going 402 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:23,479 Speaker 1: Brandon Cooks. Brandon Cooks, you know, can you flip something 403 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: to go get Brandon Cooks? And does that keep you 404 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 1: from drafting somebody at twenty four? You know, that's the 405 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 1: thought right there, because if they make a Brandon Cooks trade, 406 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 1: then my gut, my gut feeling is that they're going 407 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 1: to go another direction with this thing, that you'll probably 408 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 1: be one of these offensive linements. Without getting too far 409 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:43,919 Speaker 1: specifically into the weeds on a guy like Cooks, but 410 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: if you were going to make a trade like that, 411 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:49,199 Speaker 1: what would the price be? You're probably gonna. I mean, 412 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 1: you'd be like a third or fourth. I think you 413 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 1: have to. I think I would you get with all 414 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 1: those fives, you know, try and get it in one 415 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 1: of those. I mean you try to look at what 416 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: DeVante Parker costs the Patriots and then you hear that 417 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 1: the cowboy always called about it and it didn't get done. 418 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: So you assume you start there and go start lower 419 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:08,400 Speaker 1: than a third. Probably. Yeah, I'm looking at Cooks's contract. 420 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 1: So Cooks is under contract for what to uh, one 421 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,439 Speaker 1: to one more season? Yeah? One more season? Oh no, 422 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 1: He's got void years on his deals, so I mean 423 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: you can keep him around. So I'd probably be like 424 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:21,719 Speaker 1: a fifth or four. See, that's what I'm saying. If 425 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 1: you if you offer a four and then you say 426 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,360 Speaker 1: or you maybe even try one of those fives four 427 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: and five may just a five. I mean I think 428 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: maybe if you'd offer a couple of fives, you know 429 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 1: you got four of them, yes, but but you know 430 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: I was for his age and the amount of time 431 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,120 Speaker 1: he has left on his contract. I sure wouldn't offer 432 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 1: a whole lot more. Yeah. No, that's what I'm saying. 433 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 1: And we had Todd Archer on yesterday. And he was 434 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 1: talking about that, and he goes last year, I would 435 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 1: have never believed the Cowboys make eleven picks. But when 436 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: you look at Steven Jones and you look what he 437 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 1: talks about with the cap, you know, they need all 438 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 1: these guys to play. They need Quintin Bohannon to play, 439 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: they need Gholston to play. They need all these guys 440 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:58,119 Speaker 1: to play. You know, that's that's what they that they 441 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 1: They would rather draft you every one of those picks 442 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 1: to try and and and you know, keep their salary 443 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 1: cap stuff in line real quick before we go to break. 444 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,719 Speaker 1: Do you think something like that is coming down the 445 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:15,880 Speaker 1: pipe before draft day? What the receiver? And really, yeah, 446 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: anything that would I was hopeful that they would identify 447 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: a young guard that's probably stuck in the back end 448 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 1: of somebody's roster that they could they could take one 449 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 1: of those fifths and movie probably be a player that 450 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 1: we'd have to google. Yeah, and then the pro guys 451 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 1: would all be like, no, man, that was a great pick. 452 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 1: That was a great job by the Cowboys. I was 453 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 1: hopeful they would do that so it would kind of 454 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: protect them a little bit for what's going forward. I 455 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: think it's hard to believe that they would go into 456 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 1: April twenty eighth and not have anything else happen. Like 457 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 1: I know that it sounds possible. They get it with Washington, 458 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: they did it with Washington, they did it with Layton 459 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 1: vander Esh. I think they've made some signings that they're 460 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: not totally married too. Yeah. You know, if one of 461 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: these fits of ends comes along and foulers not what 462 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: he's not what he's supposed to be, boom, you just 463 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 1: move on Vandresh, move on Washington, move on, you know. Yeah. 464 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 1: I just I mean Hooks, Cooks to me would be 465 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,400 Speaker 1: a guy that if you traded, he's going to make 466 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,439 Speaker 1: your team. And then now maybe that takes you into 467 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,360 Speaker 1: not having to worry about a wide receiver one, two, 468 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,640 Speaker 1: maybe even three. Yeah, it would. I mean, I think 469 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 1: they need to do something. Like I said, the guard 470 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: market hardly looks inspiring, but it feels like there's work 471 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: left to do. So I guess we'll see. We're gonna 472 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:35,639 Speaker 1: take a break. We ran a little bit long, but 473 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 1: we're gonna try to rapid fire as many of your 474 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 1: questions as possible when we get back. This is Chad Hennings, 475 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 1: former Cowboy and proud veteran of the United States Air Force. 476 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: When my fellow military veterans choose the A, they received 477 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 1: life changing benefits from the Department of Veterans Affairs. 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Twitter on 498 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 1: the Twitter. Try to get to more of these than 499 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 1: we did last time. I think we only try to answered. 500 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 1: Shout out to Justin. I loved your question about trading up, 501 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 1: but I feel like we kind of answered it there 502 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:20,680 Speaker 1: in the first seme. You want to go ahead and 503 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 1: answer it just for cutting dry reasons, go ahead and 504 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,360 Speaker 1: knock it out. Well, I mean it would be Charles Cross, right, 505 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 1: I think it would be for Charles Cross. Yeah, it 506 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: would either be Cross or Jordan Davis for me. Two. Yeah, 507 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,639 Speaker 1: you would give up twenty four and fifty six to 508 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 1: get Jordan Davis. That was That's the question. That was 509 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 1: the question. That's a little different. Yeah, probably just crossed 510 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 1: which I did the math. Jordan Davis is great, but 511 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 1: I don't know if I want to give up fifty 512 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 1: six those two picks would get you up to like 513 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 1: the fourteenth or fifteenth pick. Yeah, yeah, and less something. 514 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,399 Speaker 1: I mean, if if for some you know, if Cavon 515 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 1: Thibodeau hates football, enough that he was still hanging out 516 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: at fourteen meant you could maybe convince me that was worthwhile. 517 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 1: But I think Charles. I think Charles crosses Cavon Tibbott 518 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 1: and to Marcus Lawrence on opposite sides of the defensive 519 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 1: line together, I can think of worse things. Guy Stingley 520 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,239 Speaker 1: had a nice workout yesterday, Yes I did, didn't he 521 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,119 Speaker 1: I was going to talk about him in the first segment. 522 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 1: I was like, do we need to like? He ran 523 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,879 Speaker 1: his way out of the conversation with He knew he 524 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 1: was going to run his way. The question the questions 525 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,920 Speaker 1: was the health and the questions words. He really love football. 526 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,159 Speaker 1: And when we talk to our friends down there in 527 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 1: Baton Rouge, they tell us, listen, he just needs a 528 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,679 Speaker 1: big brother. Minnesota seems to be a really now that 529 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 1: Patrick Peterson's resigned in Minnesota. If Mit the Vikings were 530 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 1: to draft Derek Stingley, I think that would be a 531 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 1: great pick for them. Well, Draylon Diggs could be a 532 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 1: big brother. Yep. No, that's what I'm saying, absolutely no, no, 533 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 1: And those questions still remain. But when he can go 534 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,639 Speaker 1: and what he said yesterday, he's only worked out for 535 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,680 Speaker 1: three weeks since he got healthy and he ran a 536 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 1: four three seven and had a thirty nine inch vertical, 537 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,360 Speaker 1: all of those questions like are still there, and he's 538 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: still going to be a top fifteen pick. I can't 539 00:26:58,280 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 1: imagine he would slip a whole hell of a lot. 540 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 1: Further than that, have you watched Sauce Gardner play at all? Yeah? 541 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 1: Is there a chance that he's the best player or not? 542 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,159 Speaker 1: We've talked about that before, Yeah, I mean yes, oh 543 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,919 Speaker 1: we have. Yeah. I mean I'm sorry, I don't know 544 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 1: if that's specifically, but I don't know if he's the 545 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 1: best player in the draft, but he's comfortably he should 546 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 1: be a top five pick. I think I said that 547 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 1: last week, Like if he gets if the Giants don't 548 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 1: take him with one of their picks, I just think 549 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: that would be dumb, especially if they're really interested in 550 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,400 Speaker 1: moving on from James Bradberry. Do you have him as 551 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:29,879 Speaker 1: the top player in the draft? I was just no, 552 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 1: I don't, But I was just curious that, Like, but 553 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,440 Speaker 1: to me, he's one of those guys because we've talked 554 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 1: about Walker. I mean Walker, there's nobody in this draft 555 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 1: process that's made more of a rise. Remember, when we 556 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,159 Speaker 1: first started, it was Walker was the pick at twenty 557 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,119 Speaker 1: four for Dallas. Then Walker became the pick for the 558 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,919 Speaker 1: Ravens at fourteen, and then Walker became the pick for 559 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,479 Speaker 1: the Lions at two. There's nobody that has risen up 560 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 1: draft boards faster than this guy. Which, to go back 561 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 1: to the Cross thing real quick, I just and I 562 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,639 Speaker 1: doubt it because you get your questions, and I know 563 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:05,919 Speaker 1: we do, but I doubt it because of the position 564 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,160 Speaker 1: that he plays. But the thing with Walker too, Yeah, 565 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 1: we keep talking about how much variance there is in 566 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 1: this draft, and just maybe there's just no consensus on 567 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 1: these There's no consensus, and so maybe, like maybe it 568 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: wouldn't be shocking if somebody like Charles Cross falls to 569 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 1: like seventeen. I don't know, Well, there's gonna be a 570 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,440 Speaker 1: lot of guys and gals in rooms where you can't 571 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 1: drive a nail up their rear. It's gonna be that Seriously, 572 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,919 Speaker 1: it's gonna be that kind of draft, at least for 573 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 1: the first I think for the first round. Probably for 574 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 1: thirty two teams, yeah, or I guess thirty teams because 575 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:37,879 Speaker 1: because you've got it, you've got to you've got to 576 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 1: identify some hurt players. You've got to identify players with 577 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 1: some maybe some questions about off the field stuff. There's 578 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 1: players that you know maybe don't fit the profiles because 579 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 1: of height, weight, speed. It's gonna be this. This draft 580 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 1: has a real potential when we look back of maybe 581 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,479 Speaker 1: being really busty. M Yeah, well when it's not sexy 582 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 1: at the top, I think that has it's possible, all right, 583 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 1: rapid fire, brevity. Brevity is the soul of wit guys. 584 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 1: Let's try to get to some of these. Chris is 585 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 1: worried about the depth of the tight end position in 586 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 1: the sense that once the top two or three go, 587 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 1: there's not a lot left. You feel that way. Do 588 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 1: you feel like you might have to draft a tight 589 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 1: end like around early in this class. I don't think so. 590 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 1: I think there are a couple tight ends there that 591 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 1: are decent. But it kind of goes back to what 592 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 1: Brian's talking about. They were either hurt or they're one 593 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 1: trick ponies, and that's the thing. They do something really well. 594 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 1: But that's really about it. Because you've got Trade McBride, 595 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 1: who's the most complete guy probably at the top of 596 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 1: my list. Then you've got the Greg Dolchich from UCLA, 597 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 1: Jeremy Ruckert who's a thirty busy guy from Ohio State, 598 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 1: Kay Doton, who I know Brian's been very good or 599 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 1: very high on with out of Washington, and then Isaiah 600 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 1: likely the gilani Woods for Virginia are kind of those 601 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 1: second tier guys for me, but they do some things 602 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 1: very very well. And then you've just got a bunch 603 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 1: of receivers too along the way that you can maybe 604 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 1: go at. So it depends on what you want for 605 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: tight end if you're looking for a blocking guy or 606 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 1: all around guy. I can see the concern, but I 607 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 1: think there's a guy that can do what you need 608 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 1: them to do and you can get them in the 609 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 1: later rounds as well. I think this is a really 610 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: rare tight end draft in the way of guys that 611 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 1: are like six seven, you know, when you start to 612 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 1: talk about guys like with you know, with Cole Turner 613 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 1: was a guy at Nevada I'd watched. I really really 614 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 1: liked him a lot Cooler from Iowa State, they're a guy. Yeah, 615 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 1: there are guys on this draft that are very much 616 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 1: that hard to cover because they're so long. When all 617 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 1: of a sudden you got safeties and linebackers, corners trying 618 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 1: to cover these tight ends. When you watch them and 619 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 1: there's sixty seven and they extend, you're slapping their wrists, 620 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 1: you know, your forearms, You're you're not getting to the ball. 621 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 1: And that's what makes a lot of these guys interest. 622 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's actually a pretty good list. 623 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 1: I'm not saying there's any glass eaters as blockers here, 624 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 1: but I will say that there's guys that they do 625 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 1: catch the ball very well. So if the Cowboys don't 626 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: spend the top one hundred pick on a tight end, 627 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 1: Saturday comes around, you feel pretty good. That's still yeah, 628 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 1: I mean there's still people. I mean, I know we 629 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 1: all love Bucky Brooks and stuff like that. He still 630 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: has Widemeyer in his top five. I'm not taking Widemeyer 631 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 1: out of my mix either. I mean, I've always seemed 632 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 1: to like him. Yeah, I've watched here. I've watched too 633 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 1: many games of him playing against LSU and Alabamas and 634 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 1: the Old Misses and the Auburns. You know that you 635 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 1: figure it out? Do you not like football? Do you 636 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 1: not like working out? If you get if you you know, 637 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 1: are you're gonna be this way because he's too talented 638 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 1: of a guy. He really really is. Yeah, I mean 639 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 1: that's the ultimate trusting the tape. Have you watched chigoes 640 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 1: him okonquo from Maryland. I have not gotten a few 641 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 1: questions about him over the He's a little bit smaller 642 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: than some of these other guys Brian's talking about. He's 643 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 1: six foot two and a half two hundred and forty pounds, 644 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 1: ran a four to five forty. He had a thirty 645 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 1: two and a half inch vert or actually thirty five 646 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 1: and a half inch vertical. I think he could be 647 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 1: one of those kind of hybrid h back sort of 648 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 1: guys that fits a role in a modern NFL offense 649 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:08,520 Speaker 1: that you can put him in the slot if you 650 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 1: really wanted to. He's a decent blocker, not super vital 651 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 1: or versatile in his pass catching ability, but he gets 652 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 1: separation and he gets open as a tied end. I 653 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,720 Speaker 1: like him in the later Day three conversation as a 654 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,080 Speaker 1: deput piece in this draft. I'll tell you what's a 655 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 1: good scounding reporting the guy. I personally don't think they're 656 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 1: going to extend Schultz. I don't either. I think this 657 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 1: was the one year to just to kind of flow over, 658 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 1: hold it over and give they need a year to 659 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 1: get this guy up to speed. Yeah, well they need 660 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 1: a year to kind of help Dak too, because you 661 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 1: blot out to Maury Cooper, now you got banged up 662 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 1: receivers and stuff like that. This person's name is UC Analytics, 663 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 1: so you'll be shocked to hear that he wants to 664 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 1: know about Drake Jackson the Southern cow Edge. Yeah, Drake Jackson, 665 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 1: just how you view him as a player, Yeah, Jake, 666 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 1: he's making a lot of visits when you start to 667 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 1: I think that they were tweeting out that he had 668 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 1: twelve visits set up up and an interesting guy. Sixty three, 669 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty four pound. He plays really is 670 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 1: a stand up outside linebacker defensive end. And I thought 671 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: he was kind of a slippery guy. When I mean 672 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 1: slippery that ability to like when you can rush inside outside, 673 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 1: but I mean his ability to redirect I think is outstanding. 674 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 1: There are plays where he appears to be out of 675 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 1: position and then boom, he's right back in that. So 676 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 1: you know, he's one of those guys I thought too 677 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 1: that could kind of capture the edge with the first 678 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 1: couple of steps with the quickness, lower the shoulder, work 679 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 1: past the tackle. He fights pressure on blocks. He's got 680 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 1: some relentless traits to his game. And but I also 681 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 1: feel like there's times where though he'll struggle to disengage 682 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 1: and where guys can kind of get on him and 683 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 1: he's gonna he's fighting at Again. I say, he fights pressure, 684 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 1: but he just when you really need him to get 685 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,000 Speaker 1: off the thing. You think that's a size thing. I don't. 686 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 1: I was asking. I was going to ask the same 687 00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 1: thing as its strength. Yeah, I think it's more about 688 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 1: his drink. Yeah, but you know, I mean, if he's 689 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 1: got the length to be really better at this, But 690 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 1: there's times, like I say that he just does it. 691 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:12,799 Speaker 1: But his movement skills are really really impressed. He's crazy athletic, 692 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,720 Speaker 1: I mean ultra athletic. He didn't run anything at the combine, 693 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 1: which is a little unfortunate. His jumps were good. Um, However, 694 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 1: I'm with Brian. The strength just doesn't look even existent. 695 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 1: I mean, he looks like he just does not have 696 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,400 Speaker 1: that extra whenever he gets to the point of attack. 697 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 1: And that scares me a little bit for a guy 698 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,840 Speaker 1: who's going to be projected as that three four outside 699 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 1: linebacker off the edge, sort of guy. Twelve teams. A 700 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 1: lot of guys are looking at him. Where do y'all 701 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 1: have him? Third? I have him in the third, late third. Yeah, buddy, 702 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 1: a friend of the show, our buddy Yuma Cactus nice. 703 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,520 Speaker 1: And you start to feel comfortable with JAFF drafting Justin Ross, 704 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,799 Speaker 1: the Clemson receiver with the neck injury. Yeah, I'm you know, 705 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,080 Speaker 1: I haven't got any report from anybody that name since 706 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:04,120 Speaker 1: like February early February. There's so many receivers in this class. 707 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:05,799 Speaker 1: It's easy to forget about him. I'll tell you what 708 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 1: I watched. I watched the pit cornerback last night against Clemson. 709 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,520 Speaker 1: We're gonna we're gonna get to him, and then and 710 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,919 Speaker 1: then Ross was he was part of that. But yeah, 711 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,239 Speaker 1: I think to me with Ross, I mean I I 712 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,759 Speaker 1: was super impressed with him and and I think the 713 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:26,239 Speaker 1: reason I was impressed with him is that he could 714 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,480 Speaker 1: play in the slot, he could play outside. The coach 715 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,879 Speaker 1: is trying to get him the ball quickly and let 716 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,280 Speaker 1: him go because I think he can make things happen 717 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,480 Speaker 1: and he's gonna find ways to make plays. And I 718 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,520 Speaker 1: think there was for a guy that's kind of thinly 719 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:43,160 Speaker 1: built at six four two h five, he's got that ability, 720 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 1: but you don't see him getting knocked off his feet 721 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 1: very much carrying the football. So I mean I saw 722 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 1: him get his feet down in some tight spots he 723 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 1: could go hide to. You know, there was a if 724 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,719 Speaker 1: you watch the Syracuse game, there was one, and I 725 00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,120 Speaker 1: mean it was amazing how high he got off the 726 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,799 Speaker 1: ground to make this play. So I thought he caught 727 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,839 Speaker 1: the ball really easily, and the concentration all that. And 728 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,520 Speaker 1: again the twenty twenty season with the neck injury, that's 729 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,719 Speaker 1: the thing you're gonna have to look at. You're gonna 730 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:10,919 Speaker 1: have to say, well, are we are we comfortable taking 731 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,239 Speaker 1: a guy that potentially something could happen again, or are 732 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,360 Speaker 1: we going to ride this thing out and see what happens. 733 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 1: Does it hurt his stock? In the fact that he 734 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,360 Speaker 1: ran a four to six four at his pro day 735 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,640 Speaker 1: and had a thirty one and a half inch would 736 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,920 Speaker 1: which would have been the next lowest in the combine numbers, 737 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,520 Speaker 1: I just, you know, it's funny that's banged up. I 738 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,480 Speaker 1: get it, but yeah, I just the thing about him is, man, 739 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,719 Speaker 1: I kind of feel like though I'm not asking him 740 00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,399 Speaker 1: to be a first or second round player, but I mean, 741 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,240 Speaker 1: when you start to talk about those third, fourth round guys, 742 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,279 Speaker 1: there's just too much. Like I said, I didn't you 743 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,200 Speaker 1: can see it on film. I said, he doesn't show 744 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,400 Speaker 1: great time speed, but there's some initial quickness off the snap. 745 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,200 Speaker 1: So you know, that's that's kind of where I think 746 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 1: this guy is as a player that that you can 747 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,880 Speaker 1: you you know, he's gonna get with somebody that's probably 748 00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:59,800 Speaker 1: a pretty good team. They're going to figure out, you know, 749 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:01,719 Speaker 1: like oh, you could throw the ball, he's reliable, he 750 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,880 Speaker 1: could catch them on third down. Great hands, great hands. Yeah, 751 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,399 Speaker 1: there's there's there's places for guys like that. I mean, 752 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:09,759 Speaker 1: I'm not seeing the guy like a Keenan Allen, But 753 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,600 Speaker 1: Keenan Allen didn't run great coming out of cal but 754 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:17,680 Speaker 1: he catch He catches every damn ball. You know that? Yeah, exactly? 755 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,480 Speaker 1: Which is that? I mean? Fourth round, Like this is 756 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,959 Speaker 1: one of those situations where you're just like, at what point, 757 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:25,520 Speaker 1: Like if he's still on the board, You're just like, 758 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,319 Speaker 1: we're taking this guy is still here. The speed and 759 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,319 Speaker 1: the medical is probably gonna put him in the fourth round. Yeah, 760 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,799 Speaker 1: But but somebody would. We we're gonna be working on 761 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,359 Speaker 1: the draft and someone's gonna take him, and we're gonna 762 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 1: say all the positive things that we just said. As 763 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,200 Speaker 1: a player, he's a top one hundred guy with the 764 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:46,520 Speaker 1: with the measurables and the medicals. I can't take him 765 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,839 Speaker 1: in the top one hundred comfortably. But yeah, if he's 766 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:50,719 Speaker 1: sitting there in the fourth round and you're you're coming 767 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,279 Speaker 1: to one twenty nine or whatever the pick is, I 768 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,759 Speaker 1: wouldn't be against that, especially if you hadn't drafted a 769 00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,239 Speaker 1: receiver to that point in the early rounds. We don't 770 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,439 Speaker 1: want a list of names. We know who they all are. 771 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:07,719 Speaker 1: Nicholas wants to know, specifically, if Tyler Linderbaum were to 772 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,440 Speaker 1: happen to be their first round pick, who are you 773 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:16,360 Speaker 1: specifically targeting on Day two at guard and receiver? The 774 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:21,240 Speaker 1: guys you would want not options, Well, you're probably gonna lose, 775 00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,640 Speaker 1: you could probably We talked about every one of those guards. Yeah, 776 00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:26,719 Speaker 1: I mean we went through every you're not going to 777 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:28,600 Speaker 1: have in day two. You're probably not going to have 778 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,520 Speaker 1: Green or Johnson to deal with unless you trade it up, 779 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,680 Speaker 1: unless you trade which so, but knowing that, who like 780 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,040 Speaker 1: if you're in the we said every every guy there 781 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,120 Speaker 1: the you know me, I know, but who would you 782 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,719 Speaker 1: be Like if you're in the room on Thursday night, 783 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 1: you're like, Okay, this is who I'm this is who 784 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:47,600 Speaker 1: I'm saying, kind of like they did with Calvin Joseph 785 00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:51,279 Speaker 1: last year. I would probably take Ingramercarnard. Okay, that's kind 786 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,520 Speaker 1: of what I was saying, was Canard. Yeah, because I 787 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,960 Speaker 1: would take Ingramcarnard. That's the name. Those are the names 788 00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,600 Speaker 1: you would circle. Yeah, I would try and go trade up. 789 00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,759 Speaker 1: Let's say Shallier, I mean is another guy, Shaffer's another 790 00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,200 Speaker 1: guy mentioned. I mean those are all like those are 791 00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,359 Speaker 1: third round guys. But if I'm talking about like Ingraham 792 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,000 Speaker 1: can those are second round guys on my board. If 793 00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,480 Speaker 1: you took linder Bomb first, it's say it solves your 794 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,879 Speaker 1: center position, your guard spots still a glaring need at 795 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,120 Speaker 1: that point I would want if you wanted to stay put, 796 00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:22,319 Speaker 1: I would say Canard probably in that spot, he's perfect there. 797 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,759 Speaker 1: If you wanted to look at as Zion Johnson, let's 798 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:30,000 Speaker 1: say he falls to thirty five forty in that range, 799 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,839 Speaker 1: maybe package a fourth round pick, go try and get 800 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:34,480 Speaker 1: up there. I don't know if it would take that 801 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:36,959 Speaker 1: or it take a little bit more, I would maybe 802 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,919 Speaker 1: go try and grab it and then your offensive line set, 803 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:40,319 Speaker 1: then you can go figure it out the rest of 804 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,520 Speaker 1: the way and go play. You're blocking for Dak Prescott, 805 00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,239 Speaker 1: you're blocking for Ezekiel Elliott, take it and run with it. 806 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,960 Speaker 1: Go with get Lynn brom and go get Zion Johnson. 807 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:49,640 Speaker 1: But it would take one of those guys to fall. 808 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:51,600 Speaker 1: If not, I wait for fifty six and pick up 809 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,520 Speaker 1: a canard. Part of me wonders if they were to 810 00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,840 Speaker 1: draft linder Bomb, if they just say, he'll help whoever 811 00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,680 Speaker 1: plays left guard and we can deal with that later. Sure, 812 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,600 Speaker 1: mate said, here's here, kind of McGovern or, Go sign 813 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:05,920 Speaker 1: a guy and be interested. Sitting on the street, Yeah, 814 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,160 Speaker 1: would be interested to see really what happens in that 815 00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,120 Speaker 1: second round. If it's a defensive player, yeah, I would. 816 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:14,320 Speaker 1: I would keep I'd keep that Sam Williams in mind, 817 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,920 Speaker 1: I think he's I just there's and it's a hunch. 818 00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,880 Speaker 1: It's just a hunch, but we we always say that 819 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,160 Speaker 1: it's always a hunch. But yeah, it's at least an 820 00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,880 Speaker 1: educated hunch. It's yeah, I mean I could see, I 821 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,440 Speaker 1: could see I could see Dan Quinn saying, yeah, I 822 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,880 Speaker 1: understand the guard or offensive player or whatever you have 823 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,560 Speaker 1: to do in the first I could also see that, 824 00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,799 Speaker 1: you know, i'd also see Mike McCarthy. We had this discussion, yes, 825 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,279 Speaker 1: Dar and radio. If Mike McCarthy takes over the play 826 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,120 Speaker 1: calling saying the year, during the year, something happens and 827 00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,520 Speaker 1: he ends up, it's maybe this team is going to 828 00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,919 Speaker 1: have to win games because of defense. And I could 829 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,239 Speaker 1: also see Mike McCarthy saying, Dan, who do you got 830 00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,319 Speaker 1: in mind? Who do you got in mind over there 831 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,560 Speaker 1: that we can help us, you know, I mean it 832 00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,400 Speaker 1: might be about, you know, if you look at efficiency numbers, 833 00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:01,760 Speaker 1: if you're nerdy like that, ninth best defense, first best defense, 834 00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,680 Speaker 1: it might turn into Mike McCarthy saying, listen, I've got 835 00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:08,120 Speaker 1: to find a way to win on defense. But also 836 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,080 Speaker 1: I've got to kind of rein in and figure out 837 00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,239 Speaker 1: what I have to do with my quarterback. You know, 838 00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,360 Speaker 1: that might be something that you know, I mean, we 839 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,680 Speaker 1: talked about help Dak, but you know, it might turn 840 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,800 Speaker 1: into Mike saying, listen, for if I could get good defense, 841 00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:22,960 Speaker 1: I can do what I have to do running the 842 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,680 Speaker 1: football and things like that. Very quickly before we go 843 00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,920 Speaker 1: to break. Ugly base guy just wants to know what 844 00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:33,040 Speaker 1: your grade is on Daniel Filele, the massive Minnesota tackle. 845 00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,959 Speaker 1: I've got him the third round myself. He's my first 846 00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:40,799 Speaker 1: guy in the for the matter of fact, I've got 847 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,840 Speaker 1: him as I look at this right now, pinning in 848 00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:47,480 Speaker 1: Raymond in the second and then he would be the 849 00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:52,040 Speaker 1: top guy in the third round with Lucas from Washington State, 850 00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:56,439 Speaker 1: petite Free from Ohio State, and then Tyler Smith would 851 00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,719 Speaker 1: be my guys in that third round. I would put 852 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,840 Speaker 1: him in the second round, late second though not anywhere 853 00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:06,279 Speaker 1: close to fifty six. But I like his demeanor, I 854 00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,600 Speaker 1: like his frame. I think he relies on his size 855 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,359 Speaker 1: a little bit too much because he kind of gets 856 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,640 Speaker 1: clunky with it. We've talked about that a little bit 857 00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:16,439 Speaker 1: on Tuesday. But he's got good balance along the way too, 858 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,600 Speaker 1: So if he's set and he's not moving a ton, 859 00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,920 Speaker 1: I think he's a good player. But that's about second round, 860 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,520 Speaker 1: late second round worthy for me. Even more quickly, I 861 00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,759 Speaker 1: meant to bring up Abraham Lucas from Washington State in 862 00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,319 Speaker 1: that conversation in the first segment. Yeah, he's a right 863 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,920 Speaker 1: tackle for Washington State. And I think this is one 864 00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:34,680 Speaker 1: of these guys you need to kind of know six 865 00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:38,600 Speaker 1: six three fifteen. He tends to catch blocks and kind 866 00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,759 Speaker 1: of control his guy with his upper body streak, but 867 00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:44,120 Speaker 1: his footwork is really, really, really good. He can, you know, 868 00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,160 Speaker 1: he can be driven back a little bit, but not 869 00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:48,920 Speaker 1: to the point where you're like, oh gosh, he's getting 870 00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,160 Speaker 1: knocked back every damn time. But there's a really good 871 00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,760 Speaker 1: physical side to his run blocking, the way he gets 872 00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:58,120 Speaker 1: movement one on one. I would say he's a really 873 00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:01,520 Speaker 1: effective dry blocker, and there's some finish to his game. 874 00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,520 Speaker 1: I didn't feel like there was, you know, he wasn't 875 00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,239 Speaker 1: the best puller and stuff like that. And you're talking 876 00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,719 Speaker 1: about the clunkiness a little bit with maybe with some 877 00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,760 Speaker 1: other guys. But man, I'll tell you what you watch. 878 00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:16,319 Speaker 1: You watched him against USC and Jackson jacksonton sniff not 879 00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:20,560 Speaker 1: didn't even sniff. So if you like Jackson, don't watch 880 00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,640 Speaker 1: him against Abraham Lucas because he's gonna he's gonna make 881 00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:25,600 Speaker 1: you make you not want to like him. I watched 882 00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,600 Speaker 1: that USC game, and then I watched him against Thibadeau 883 00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,080 Speaker 1: and against Oregon too, because he I mean back twelve 884 00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,880 Speaker 1: as some edge rushers, and he stood up very well. Absolutely, 885 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,319 Speaker 1: and he's experienced crazy experience because they throw the ball 886 00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,359 Speaker 1: a lot, so he had over twenty one hundred pass 887 00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,880 Speaker 1: snaps during his time at Washington. That's a lot of 888 00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,680 Speaker 1: bring that experience in the later rounds that you could 889 00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,080 Speaker 1: maybe get a great value for. I'm feeling a lot 890 00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:51,120 Speaker 1: better about the offensive line depth than I did, but 891 00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,640 Speaker 1: Brian does I did. But it takes you feel better, 892 00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:55,920 Speaker 1: you two. He makes me feel better, So I'm just 893 00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,759 Speaker 1: trying to pass it on as always. Thank you so 894 00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,440 Speaker 1: much for your questions. We've got tell me more when 895 00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:05,399 Speaker 1: we come back from this break. Football season is almost over, 896 00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,680 Speaker 1: and that means tax season is here. With it comes taxiety. 897 00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,840 Speaker 1: Filing taxes can be stressful if you choose the wrong partner. 898 00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:15,400 Speaker 1: Don't let taxiety take over this tax season. Liberty Tax 899 00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,960 Speaker 1: will help you get your largest possible refund or your 900 00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:21,560 Speaker 1: money back. 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See that's my point, which and that's 944 00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,640 Speaker 1: not to say you're wrong or not Like Daniel Jeremiah 945 00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:51,480 Speaker 1: could be wrong. I'm not like he also has Tyler 946 00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:55,040 Speaker 1: Linderbaum at thirty two. I mean, dude, these these rankings 947 00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,160 Speaker 1: are all over the place, and I just think I 948 00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:00,120 Speaker 1: think we'd need to be prepared to be surprised by 949 00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,960 Speaker 1: the order that some of these names go. Maybe they 950 00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:06,719 Speaker 1: know something about Charles Cross, Like again, is it a 951 00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,239 Speaker 1: medical thing? I don't. I don't think it's a medical thing. 952 00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,560 Speaker 1: He kicks puppies, Like you said, Yeah, maybe something's going 953 00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,200 Speaker 1: on there, but I don't think he does. That was 954 00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,920 Speaker 1: a joke, I know, while I was talking to the audience, 955 00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,160 Speaker 1: das if Dallas has a chance to draft him, man, 956 00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,520 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, go for it. I would feel 957 00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:27,880 Speaker 1: great about that way too. And again, young athletic tackle 958 00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:31,080 Speaker 1: figure a guard out. That's I mean, that's fine. Uh, 959 00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:35,439 Speaker 1: this segment is designed to not talk about first round 960 00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:39,560 Speaker 1: draft picks. We're trying to inform you on the later 961 00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:41,920 Speaker 1: round guys. So that's what we're gonna do. This is 962 00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:45,640 Speaker 1: tell me more back by popular demand, and I this 963 00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:48,359 Speaker 1: is this is a name among like day three kind 964 00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,560 Speaker 1: of guys, guys that aren't big time prospects. I've seen 965 00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,040 Speaker 1: this dude's name more than anyone, and that would be 966 00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:58,239 Speaker 1: DeMarco Jackson, the linebacker out of Appalachian State. Please tell 967 00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:01,440 Speaker 1: me more so. He first my eye at the Senior 968 00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,920 Speaker 1: Bowl because he was It was at the end of 969 00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:07,440 Speaker 1: the day and I can't remember which coaching staff is, 970 00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,040 Speaker 1: either Jets or Lions. Can't remember which one. They wanted 971 00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,040 Speaker 1: to do one on ones, which makes me think it 972 00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,719 Speaker 1: was the Lions coaching staff. They wanted to do this 973 00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:18,040 Speaker 1: one on one big showcase at the end of the 974 00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:21,960 Speaker 1: practice to kind of put Mono Imano running back versus 975 00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:27,080 Speaker 1: Lionel Jason Garrett thing. Yeah, the Oklahoma Droid complete compete 976 00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:32,279 Speaker 1: and it was Damon or Damon Pierce that was the 977 00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,239 Speaker 1: Florida running order running back who was just tearing up 978 00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:38,320 Speaker 1: the field and mobile. And the first guy that raised 979 00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,120 Speaker 1: his hand, what even selected you do? You know how 980 00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,359 Speaker 1: they normally pull a guy out. He ran up there. 981 00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:44,279 Speaker 1: Initially they didn't even say anything because I was on 982 00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,319 Speaker 1: the front row, would have heard it went up there 983 00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,440 Speaker 1: and it was DeMarco Jackson to take on Pierce, who 984 00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,440 Speaker 1: would had just a great practice. The competition side of 985 00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,959 Speaker 1: that was as entertaining as anything I saw all week long. 986 00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:57,120 Speaker 1: He came up and he was the hammer, not the nail. 987 00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:00,600 Speaker 1: Came in and just straight up flattened Pierce on first one, 988 00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:02,959 Speaker 1: took him to the sideline, on the second one, pushed 989 00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:04,800 Speaker 1: him out of bounds, and then the third one he 990 00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,399 Speaker 1: stopped him behind the line of scrimmage. And in Oklahoma drill, 991 00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,520 Speaker 1: that's hard to do. And that was the first time 992 00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:13,040 Speaker 1: I really saw him compete, and I really enjoyed watching it. 993 00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:16,560 Speaker 1: This guy's super aggressive, he's super tough, he's gonna fly around. 994 00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,520 Speaker 1: He's an outstanding finisher, and I think I think Kyle's 995 00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,080 Speaker 1: got him right. I think that what you watch him play, 996 00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:26,720 Speaker 1: he closes on the ball really really well. He covers 997 00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,160 Speaker 1: a lot of ground, you know when you when you 998 00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:30,640 Speaker 1: look at him. There was some There was a couple 999 00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:32,480 Speaker 1: of times. I think it was the Louisiana game I 1000 00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,040 Speaker 1: was watching and they went for it on fourth down 1001 00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:37,319 Speaker 1: and he made like both stop you know, I mean, 1002 00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,840 Speaker 1: it was like it was met in the whole running 1003 00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:43,480 Speaker 1: back going nowhere. He's got a real nose for a football. 1004 00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:45,800 Speaker 1: He doesn't get fooled when it comes to make him plays. 1005 00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,160 Speaker 1: I love the way he attacks. I mean his quickness 1006 00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:51,839 Speaker 1: forced his ball carriers into panic mode. There's times when 1007 00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,560 Speaker 1: he's rushing in the quarterback you could see the quarterbacks 1008 00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:56,600 Speaker 1: thinking about getting rid of the ball, and he's on 1009 00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:58,759 Speaker 1: him so quick that he hasn't have time to do it. 1010 00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,920 Speaker 1: So this guy is a super, super impressive player with 1011 00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:05,480 Speaker 1: some athletic ability. Is the size that hurts his grade 1012 00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,520 Speaker 1: or six one? He's two thirty three, so not really 1013 00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,799 Speaker 1: nothing really naturally right there. Yeah, I mean, I don't 1014 00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,520 Speaker 1: know why more people don't like this kid. That's I'm 1015 00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:16,839 Speaker 1: because he k y'all are talking about him. I'm like, okay, 1016 00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,359 Speaker 1: so draft him at eighty eight. No, he's he's very 1017 00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:22,080 Speaker 1: well could I would be okay with that? Yeah, this guy, 1018 00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:24,560 Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, you talk about somebody that 1019 00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:29,719 Speaker 1: can actually run, cover, finish. This kid's you know, linebacker 1020 00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,640 Speaker 1: at that at that heightened weight, I think you're getting 1021 00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:35,160 Speaker 1: a pretty damn good player. I agree. I just I 1022 00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:38,760 Speaker 1: trust Appalachian State and they put out gritty football players. 1023 00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:40,719 Speaker 1: May just be the fact that he played in the 1024 00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:42,680 Speaker 1: Sun Belt, and the fact that he didn't go up 1025 00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:46,680 Speaker 1: against Applelachians, I didn't really play anybody. Usually some of 1026 00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:50,880 Speaker 1: these like lower competition level guys like a Jalen Tulbert 1027 00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:54,399 Speaker 1: from South Alabama, great type against Tennessee and against SEC 1028 00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:57,200 Speaker 1: teams along the way, Marco Jackson didn't really get a 1029 00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,200 Speaker 1: chance to do. This kid could have played in the ACC. 1030 00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,239 Speaker 1: I agree he could have played. You know, he could 1031 00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:03,319 Speaker 1: have played it. He could have played it. A duke 1032 00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:07,920 Speaker 1: or or somebody like that. Somebody like that very well 1033 00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:11,160 Speaker 1: could have Okay, moving over to the Big twelve, although 1034 00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,160 Speaker 1: I mean love that though I'm count me as a fan. 1035 00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:19,760 Speaker 1: Gonna go find his tape. Eric Eric Izukama wide receiver 1036 00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:22,759 Speaker 1: out of Texas Tech. You've probably seen his name linked 1037 00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:26,839 Speaker 1: to the Cowboys. Tell me more slot guy. Texas Tech 1038 00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:30,080 Speaker 1: extremely productive last couple of seasons. I mean, he really 1039 00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,960 Speaker 1: kind of burst onto the scene in twenty twenty and 1040 00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,640 Speaker 1: the COVID shortened dear because he was really all they 1041 00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:39,040 Speaker 1: had in terms of a receiving threat. And I mean 1042 00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:40,920 Speaker 1: that's a Texas Tech team that really struggled for a 1043 00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,799 Speaker 1: little bit on offense. He was as crisp and clean 1044 00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:49,319 Speaker 1: as anybody on that entire roster, good catch radius, goes 1045 00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,440 Speaker 1: up and gets the fifty fifty balls, and for a 1046 00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,840 Speaker 1: guy in the slot, that's kind of rare because normally, 1047 00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:55,560 Speaker 1: if you're playing in the slot, or at least the 1048 00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:58,120 Speaker 1: early days of the slot, you're you're more of a 1049 00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:01,880 Speaker 1: separation guy. He gets that sometimes, but most of his 1050 00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:05,320 Speaker 1: big wins were when he was going into traffic and 1051 00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:08,200 Speaker 1: going up and making the grab and showing a little 1052 00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:11,520 Speaker 1: physicality as well. I'll tell you what, Man Tech has 1053 00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:15,520 Speaker 1: an offense where there guy's just wide ass open people 1054 00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:19,479 Speaker 1: bust coverages all the time. The Texas Oklahoma state games 1055 00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:21,680 Speaker 1: or a couple that I watched with this kid, and 1056 00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:24,920 Speaker 1: I think Kyle's got him right. He's got super strong hands, 1057 00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:27,200 Speaker 1: and you know there were times in the Oklahoma state 1058 00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:29,839 Speaker 1: game where he was double covered down on the goal 1059 00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:32,759 Speaker 1: line and just went up and like doz Bryant like 1060 00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:35,960 Speaker 1: snatched a ball off the top of this guy's helmet 1061 00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:38,520 Speaker 1: and then the guys were swiping at it and he 1062 00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:41,120 Speaker 1: just no, I'm not gonna let you have this one. 1063 00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:44,960 Speaker 1: But I mean, for I mean sixwenties two oh nine, 1064 00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,160 Speaker 1: he ran a ton of routes where he had space though. 1065 00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:50,160 Speaker 1: I mean, like you say, there's those crossing routes and 1066 00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:53,640 Speaker 1: things like that. But he's like a physical ball carrier too, 1067 00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,080 Speaker 1: like when the balls in his hands, like he's trying 1068 00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:58,799 Speaker 1: to run over people on the sidelines and stuff like that. 1069 00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:01,759 Speaker 1: When you got you know, and Kyle, You're absolutely right, 1070 00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,839 Speaker 1: Like slot receivers have changed so much it's ironic. We're 1071 00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:07,360 Speaker 1: talking about tech where Welker went, but that ain't a 1072 00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:12,080 Speaker 1: slot receiver anymore. Now. This guy he's six To quote Brian, 1073 00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:15,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do Brian speak, he's six o one seven, 1074 00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:18,960 Speaker 1: so he's he's a tall six one and two ten 1075 00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:22,719 Speaker 1: as well, So like this ain't a little guy arms. Yeah, yeah, 1076 00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:26,600 Speaker 1: he's got the wingspan, he's got that, that jumping ability. 1077 00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:29,200 Speaker 1: I mean he had a good vertical, good broad jump 1078 00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:32,399 Speaker 1: at the combine. Didn't run the forty I'm interested to see. 1079 00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:34,359 Speaker 1: I'm trying to find his forty yard dash. I don't 1080 00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:36,040 Speaker 1: have it in front of me. I want to see 1081 00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:41,080 Speaker 1: what it is. Uh, Dane Brugler, of course, shameless plug 1082 00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:43,200 Speaker 1: for the beast. It is out by the way. I 1083 00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:46,040 Speaker 1: didn't know that worth the your investment. Dane's got him 1084 00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:49,319 Speaker 1: listed at a four five four. Okay, good enough, that's 1085 00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:57,480 Speaker 1: what runs, you know, Yeah, exactly, Yeah, okay, So what's 1086 00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:59,160 Speaker 1: your what's your grade on this guy? Got him in 1087 00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:03,040 Speaker 1: the fourth myself? Yeah, I'm probably right around there. The 1088 00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:05,840 Speaker 1: forty makes me want to push him a little higher, honestly, 1089 00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,680 Speaker 1: but that's change it yet again. I thought it would 1090 00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:13,000 Speaker 1: be slower. Ye, Brian, you alluded to this when we 1091 00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,600 Speaker 1: were talking about Justin Ross. I would like to know 1092 00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:19,600 Speaker 1: more about Demari Mathis the cornerback out of pit Hail 1093 00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:22,520 Speaker 1: to pit, hail to pit, another Senior Bowl guy. Yeah, 1094 00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:25,920 Speaker 1: you know what, I'll tell you what. I was surprised 1095 00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,200 Speaker 1: I didn't get on this guy earlier. I know there's 1096 00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:31,200 Speaker 1: some people that have him, had him a little bit higher, 1097 00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:33,520 Speaker 1: and I got the name a little bit late. He'll 1098 00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:37,040 Speaker 1: flip sides as a corner, and I thought at first 1099 00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:39,239 Speaker 1: he was just a boundary guy, which would play into 1100 00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:41,080 Speaker 1: the short side of the field, but he ended up 1101 00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:43,400 Speaker 1: playing on both ends, so that kind of took that 1102 00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:47,080 Speaker 1: out of place. He'll walk down in the slot sometimes too. 1103 00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:50,240 Speaker 1: He'll play square and press man and then the snap 1104 00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:53,920 Speaker 1: he'll turn and bail. And so you were like the 1105 00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:56,239 Speaker 1: receiver broke off the route a couple of times, and 1106 00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:58,480 Speaker 1: he was still gaining ground like he was trying to 1107 00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:02,200 Speaker 1: get somewhere in his zone. But when he did line 1108 00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:04,000 Speaker 1: up on a receiver and play man, he was able 1109 00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,200 Speaker 1: to stay with this guy. This guy runs really, really well. 1110 00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:08,520 Speaker 1: He doesn't feel like he struggles at all to run 1111 00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:11,840 Speaker 1: with receivers. He's super physical in the way he plays. 1112 00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:15,359 Speaker 1: He's always battling the receiver even after the play. He's 1113 00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:17,640 Speaker 1: one of those chippy guys. I thought he was a 1114 00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:20,600 Speaker 1: good tackler. I thought I thought he wasn't afraid to 1115 00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:23,080 Speaker 1: play off the block and get in on that tackle. 1116 00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:25,440 Speaker 1: He'll wrap up in space or he'll trip his guy up. 1117 00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:28,600 Speaker 1: I wouldn't say there's much of a back pedal there 1118 00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:30,759 Speaker 1: for him because of the way that they're asked to 1119 00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:34,560 Speaker 1: play their technique. But the feet look quick enough. The 1120 00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:37,160 Speaker 1: time speed is excellent at four to four one, and 1121 00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:40,319 Speaker 1: I really appreciate how he competes. Would you put him 1122 00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:42,040 Speaker 1: in the slot at the next level. I think he 1123 00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:45,160 Speaker 1: could play there because I like how I like how 1124 00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:48,160 Speaker 1: physically is and when you play the slot, you have 1125 00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:50,640 Speaker 1: to be able to go two ways. You can't just 1126 00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,320 Speaker 1: you can't use the boundary, you can't use the sidelines. 1127 00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:55,480 Speaker 1: You have to be able to cover all over the 1128 00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:59,360 Speaker 1: field five eleven, one ninety six. With that speed the quickness, 1129 00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:02,760 Speaker 1: I think he could play inside and jam up people 1130 00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,080 Speaker 1: and run with him. He did so many things on 1131 00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:07,719 Speaker 1: the back end of that coverage. I mean he was 1132 00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:10,560 Speaker 1: playing that wide corner, he played in the slot a 1133 00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:12,719 Speaker 1: little bit, and then a lot of people even have 1134 00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:15,440 Speaker 1: him tab that's maybe moving the safety. They're playing a 1135 00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:17,160 Speaker 1: little bit of safety on the back end because he 1136 00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:19,600 Speaker 1: has the athleticism to go over the top and to 1137 00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:22,840 Speaker 1: be a center field five ninety six. Ye. Yeah, I 1138 00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:26,760 Speaker 1: mean he could play anywhere pretty much from a secondary standpoint, 1139 00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,800 Speaker 1: provide you a couple of options there. I see you again, 1140 00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:33,080 Speaker 1: shouting out mister Brugler got him as a third round grade. Yeah, 1141 00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:34,719 Speaker 1: I do too. And it's funny. I get a really 1142 00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:39,359 Speaker 1: good group of corners. Bryant from Cincinnati, McCullum from sam Houston, Yeah, 1143 00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:42,560 Speaker 1: Maths is in there, and then uh and then Woolen 1144 00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:47,080 Speaker 1: from from San Antonio, the Freak. I feel like because 1145 00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:50,200 Speaker 1: of what they did last year with Nashan Wright and 1146 00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:54,680 Speaker 1: um Kelvin Joseph. Outside of like the big, big guys 1147 00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:56,879 Speaker 1: I have in five eleven's not on the table. Well, 1148 00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:00,440 Speaker 1: that's a wonderful point too, I have. I haven't paid 1149 00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:03,440 Speaker 1: a ton of attention to cornerback because it's hard to 1150 00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:05,600 Speaker 1: imagine it being a big, big pick for this team. 1151 00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:09,160 Speaker 1: Good point. But to your point, Yeah, five eleven with 1152 00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:14,239 Speaker 1: what thirty thirty and three quarters inch arms? Yeah maybe 1153 00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:16,560 Speaker 1: not maybe not for this not for this team specifically. 1154 00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:19,240 Speaker 1: He'll be a starter within a couple of years. Though. 1155 00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:24,480 Speaker 1: Another name I've heard a lot about Nick Benito, the 1156 00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:29,200 Speaker 1: edge rusher at Oklahoma. Oklahoma Boomer Sooner. Wow, we're doing 1157 00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:31,520 Speaker 1: this without Jeff. It feels wrong. It feels wrong without 1158 00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:33,640 Speaker 1: that call yet, Any thoughts on him? Right? Uh? Yeah, 1159 00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:37,000 Speaker 1: I mean he was a good edge rusher, very inconsistent 1160 00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:40,440 Speaker 1: throughout his time at Oklahoma, and I really looked at 1161 00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:44,920 Speaker 1: him while you were watching Federian mathis or Not Federian 1162 00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:48,160 Speaker 1: mathis Perry On Winfrey. Whenever you're watching that Oklahoma tape, 1163 00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:49,720 Speaker 1: you kind of look over to the side and you're like, 1164 00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,680 Speaker 1: who's this number eleven? That's that's making a play. But 1165 00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:54,280 Speaker 1: then you would watch him on the next one, he'd 1166 00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:57,000 Speaker 1: get completely washed out I mean, he was a versatile player. 1167 00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:59,520 Speaker 1: He has the traits six foot three, two hundred and 1168 00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:01,680 Speaker 1: forty five pounds and maybe a little bit over that. 1169 00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:05,080 Speaker 1: I think he's quick enough, he's got a little bit 1170 00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:08,640 Speaker 1: of bind to him, but strength wise, I don't know 1171 00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:10,920 Speaker 1: if he's necessarily there yet, and that's one of the 1172 00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:13,919 Speaker 1: reasons why he kind of gets negated on a couple 1173 00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:15,920 Speaker 1: of times off the ball. I have him as an 1174 00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:19,360 Speaker 1: early third round grade, but nothing really more than that. Yeah, 1175 00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:20,880 Speaker 1: I have him on the back end of the third 1176 00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:23,960 Speaker 1: and there's like the guys who mentioned Pascal from Kentucky. 1177 00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:26,760 Speaker 1: I had better. I've got to figure out what's going 1178 00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:30,960 Speaker 1: on with these Penn State end and our South Carolina 1179 00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:32,600 Speaker 1: end and all that. I mean, that's kind of a 1180 00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:35,520 Speaker 1: kind of a muddy position for me right now. But 1181 00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:39,120 Speaker 1: I will say this. People tweet at me all the time. 1182 00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:42,640 Speaker 1: They're mock drafts. They have this guy in the second round. 1183 00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:49,120 Speaker 1: Every single top that's pff because it's we I mean, 1184 00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:51,920 Speaker 1: I've got like seven guys ahead of him. He seems 1185 00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:55,320 Speaker 1: very well liked by certain parts of the draft community. Yeah, 1186 00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:57,440 Speaker 1: I mean everybody wants to put him at that pick 1187 00:58:57,560 --> 00:59:00,840 Speaker 1: for Dallas at fifty six and I wouldn't put him 1188 00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:04,640 Speaker 1: there myself. And I love the way though he's super active, 1189 00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:07,479 Speaker 1: I think he could attack the pocket. He I felt 1190 00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:09,479 Speaker 1: like he does have a little bin to his game. 1191 00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:12,200 Speaker 1: He could get off quickly with the first step and 1192 00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:14,600 Speaker 1: get underneath the blocker to make a make the play. 1193 00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:18,600 Speaker 1: But you know, I think that there's times where, like 1194 00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:20,840 Speaker 1: I say, the best thing he does is chase the ball. 1195 00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:24,200 Speaker 1: Everything else you're kind of like going, huh okay, you 1196 00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:26,880 Speaker 1: know if you want to. You know, he stands up 1197 00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:29,560 Speaker 1: as a defensive end. He stands up as a linebacker. 1198 00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:31,560 Speaker 1: You know, he worked out at the line at the 1199 00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:35,160 Speaker 1: combine as a linebacker. So people obviously feel like that 1200 00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:39,120 Speaker 1: that maybe was where he's at. But I felt like, 1201 00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:41,000 Speaker 1: if you're gonna play this guy in, there's gonna be 1202 00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:45,160 Speaker 1: probably five six guys better for me. So I've ad 1203 00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:47,480 Speaker 1: him in the back end of the third. And again, 1204 00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:49,640 Speaker 1: you folks at mock draft him every time. To me 1205 00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:51,720 Speaker 1: at the second, I don't make a comment about it, 1206 00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:55,040 Speaker 1: but I see it every damn time I see it. 1207 00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:58,920 Speaker 1: I disagree with it. Keep sending us your mock drafts. 1208 00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:00,840 Speaker 1: We love it well, I mean I loved the mock trap. 1209 01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:04,040 Speaker 1: But it's just there's some there's sometimes I would have 1210 01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:07,360 Speaker 1: to comment about it every single time. Yeah, he's one 1211 01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:10,320 Speaker 1: of those guys that wins with speed, and that's about it. 1212 01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:13,320 Speaker 1: About four five forty. I mean, he's got been But 1213 01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:16,600 Speaker 1: if you're asking him to over muscle or out muscle 1214 01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:18,439 Speaker 1: a guy at the line of scrimmage, it's not gonna happen. 1215 01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:21,280 Speaker 1: Gonna wrap this up with a linebacker out of Penn 1216 01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:26,040 Speaker 1: State worked pretty well last year, Brandon Smith tell me more, 1217 01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:31,920 Speaker 1: very volatile, aggressive athletic, and all of those things kind 1218 01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:33,560 Speaker 1: of combined to put him a little out of control 1219 01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:35,840 Speaker 1: at times on tape. He's in the wrong spot a 1220 01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:39,080 Speaker 1: couple different times. But he's long, he's speedy. He can 1221 01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:42,240 Speaker 1: fit well in a subpackle sub package, maybe a nickel roll. 1222 01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:47,320 Speaker 1: I think his best thing is covering, maybe not necessarily 1223 01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:49,840 Speaker 1: running down a hill's the best way, you know. I 1224 01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:53,800 Speaker 1: think there's things where he's you know, there's a couple 1225 01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:56,320 Speaker 1: of things with him as a tackler. He's either going 1226 01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:58,439 Speaker 1: to make the tackle or the ball cares just gonna 1227 01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:01,600 Speaker 1: bounce off him for extra yard. There's no I mean, 1228 01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:05,960 Speaker 1: there's no great finish and I do respect the way 1229 01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:08,800 Speaker 1: he throws his body around, but he's super reckless the 1230 01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:12,760 Speaker 1: way he plays, and that's a concern. And I wouldn't 1231 01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:15,880 Speaker 1: say his instincts so the absolute best. I kind of 1232 01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:18,880 Speaker 1: feel like there are things that he misses when the ball, 1233 01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,160 Speaker 1: you know, when that when the ball goes a direction, 1234 01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:24,480 Speaker 1: he's still kind of like trying to find it. Recognition, recognition. 1235 01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:27,000 Speaker 1: I don't think it's all that great. I do think 1236 01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:29,720 Speaker 1: there's his technique could be all over the place, and 1237 01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:32,480 Speaker 1: he always doesn't get off the blocks. So but man, 1238 01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:35,880 Speaker 1: he's six four, he's two fifty, and you know, I mean, 1239 01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,600 Speaker 1: you're gonna probably there's somebody's gonna find a spot for him. 1240 01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:41,200 Speaker 1: But there's a lot of things that you would say, Man, 1241 01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:44,320 Speaker 1: I'm not really overly excited about him as a player. 1242 01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:46,440 Speaker 1: Do you think he shies away from contact too much 1243 01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:49,280 Speaker 1: as as a linebacker? No, I mean, I like I said, 1244 01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:52,080 Speaker 1: I thought he was reckless. I mean, he'll throw his 1245 01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:54,640 Speaker 1: body in there, and but I don't know if he's 1246 01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:57,120 Speaker 1: going to make the tackle because I think foundational, he said, 1247 01:01:57,280 --> 01:01:59,480 Speaker 1: I mean, it's like he's not wrapping up. He's guys 1248 01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:02,920 Speaker 1: are bound off him. He's bouncing off ball carriers. I mean, 1249 01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:05,800 Speaker 1: there's there's there's things that are gonna be like people 1250 01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:07,280 Speaker 1: are gonna say they're gonna fall in love with the 1251 01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:09,680 Speaker 1: measurables on this kid, but I don't know if they're 1252 01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:12,360 Speaker 1: going to get the best instincts and the best finish 1253 01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:15,080 Speaker 1: out of this kid. Gotta say you sold me a 1254 01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:18,800 Speaker 1: lot harder on DeMarco Jackson, like bringing him on my team. 1255 01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:22,000 Speaker 1: I have Brandon Smith higher because of the trades and 1256 01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:24,400 Speaker 1: because of some of the speed that he has. However, 1257 01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:28,520 Speaker 1: I would probably be more inclined to take a DeMarco 1258 01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:30,720 Speaker 1: Jackson at eighty eight than I would take like a 1259 01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:34,280 Speaker 1: Brandon Smith at fifty six. Fair enough, That'll do it 1260 01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:36,800 Speaker 1: for another edition of Tell Me More, Guys. We are 1261 01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:40,919 Speaker 1: We're getting there, man. We are creeping toward the NFL Draft. 1262 01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:43,600 Speaker 1: It is three from today. It's a dead on sprint 1263 01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:47,840 Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, well, fair were And it feels like 1264 01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:50,280 Speaker 1: it's just it's the forty yard dash. It all at 1265 01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:53,720 Speaker 1: once feels like it's right around the corner and like 1266 01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:55,800 Speaker 1: it'll never get here. You know, you're gonna wake up 1267 01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:57,360 Speaker 1: one day and it's gonna be the draft, and you're 1268 01:02:57,400 --> 01:02:59,520 Speaker 1: gonna know you're gonna have to work eighteen straight out. 1269 01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:02,480 Speaker 1: We wear ties first day, but I won't be with you. 1270 01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:05,120 Speaker 1: Oh that's right, you will be. I'll where with you, 1271 01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:07,080 Speaker 1: all right. Appreciate first day, first day where you're tied. 1272 01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:09,920 Speaker 1: Then where your drafts draft show, I forget. We will. 1273 01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:11,800 Speaker 1: We will get all of our ducks in a row 1274 01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:14,680 Speaker 1: as we get closer. This has been the draft show 1275 01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:17,920 Speaker 1: for Kyle and Brian. I'm Dave. We'll be with you 1276 01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:20,840 Speaker 1: all next week. Thanks for listening. 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