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<v Speaker 1>The Red Weather is a work of fiction.

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<v Speaker 2>A few days before she died, I got a letter

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<v Speaker 2>from Willow. Willow was my neighbor and one of my

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<v Speaker 2>best friends as a kid. The central trauma of Willow's

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<v Speaker 2>life had to do with her sister Anna. On Halloween

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<v Speaker 2>night nineteen ninety five, Anna disappeared. Well, it was a

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<v Speaker 2>little superficial, but I would love to.

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<v Speaker 1>Say some of this stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>I was reading the evidence catalog for Anna Trainer's case,

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<v Speaker 2>like this book maybe, and then could I see the bullets?

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<v Speaker 3>I always said that she made that take for somebody else,

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<v Speaker 3>an older guy.

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<v Speaker 2>You said this thing last week.

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<v Speaker 4>He said, Oh, I'm glad you're sixteen at least, because

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<v Speaker 4>I know it's because you just want me to drive.

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<v Speaker 4>But then it all so it can't be true.

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<v Speaker 2>That age is a matter. I think in order to

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<v Speaker 2>get more information about that, I need to talk to Laney,

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<v Speaker 2>because I know there's.

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<v Speaker 5>Gonna be your worst conversion.

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<v Speaker 2>I know I'm not looking forward to her writer.

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<v Speaker 6>It's Lanie Traynor. I don't know. It's been years, decades.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm in Colorado.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, call me back then, and I.

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<v Speaker 1>Knew I had to go to Colorado.

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<v Speaker 2>I was over a month into investigating the disappearance of

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<v Speaker 2>Annah Trainer when I finally heard from her mom, Lane, I.

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<v Speaker 6>Have lots to show you, things you need to see.

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<v Speaker 2>We traded phone calls. She agreed that if I came

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<v Speaker 2>out to Denver, she would tell me everything. We set

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<v Speaker 2>a date, I got a flight. I was excited, but then.

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<v Speaker 5>I cannot believe she's going to talk to you.

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<v Speaker 2>My buddy Chris reminded me, you basically ran away with

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<v Speaker 2>her daughter that one summer. What are you talking about her?

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<v Speaker 5>Didn't you and Willow take that road trip up through Humboldt.

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<v Speaker 2>I started this podcast because Anna's sister, Willow sent me

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<v Speaker 2>a letter before she killed herself. Yeah, but it was

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<v Speaker 2>like we were running away. Connor, our other friend, agreed

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<v Speaker 2>with Chris.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh, she'd already run away. She was living in the

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<v Speaker 6>Hest building.

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<v Speaker 2>The hest building was an abandoned building behind the coffee

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<v Speaker 2>shop in our hometown.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, I just remember you had to go through

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<v Speaker 7>like this little fence to get in, and then you know,

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<v Speaker 7>it was all run down.

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<v Speaker 1>The whole wall was open and you could.

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<v Speaker 7>Kind of climb around a lot of different places, but

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<v Speaker 7>that was the spot you'd go and smoke weed. And

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<v Speaker 7>I mean it wasn't really a party place and never

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<v Speaker 7>really like partied there, but that's where people would go about.

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<v Speaker 5>I know she lived there for a while.

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<v Speaker 2>In the years after her sister disappeared, Willow's life began

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<v Speaker 2>to unravel a bit. Drugs, alcohol, She discovered raves in

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<v Speaker 2>San Francisco, she dropped out of school. It was definitely

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<v Speaker 2>a rough time, a dramatic time for her and me.

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<v Speaker 2>You might remember the first episode of this podcast I

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned there was a moment when Willow and I dated.

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't sure if I had ever talk about that.

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<v Speaker 2>This was a podcast about Anna, after all, trying to

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<v Speaker 2>uncover what happened to her, or at least get a

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<v Speaker 2>better understanding of her story. After I talked with Connor

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<v Speaker 2>and Chris, Though, I went back and found my last

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<v Speaker 2>contact with Laney.

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<v Speaker 1>It was an email she sent.

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<v Speaker 2>Me in nineteen ninety eight. It was just a subject

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<v Speaker 2>line in all caps. It said, writer, stay the hell

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<v Speaker 2>away from my daughter.

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<v Speaker 1>I am actor and filmmaker, writer strong. This is the

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<v Speaker 1>red weather.

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<v Speaker 2>In some ways, I was further along in Nana's case

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<v Speaker 2>than I'd ever dreamed. I had found new evidence, a

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<v Speaker 2>new angle, and a new hypothetical person who might have

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<v Speaker 2>helped her run away, maybe even killed her. The catch,

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<v Speaker 2>I had no clue who that person could be. Laney

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<v Speaker 2>seemed to know what I was talking about, though. She

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<v Speaker 2>knew all about the stalker, she said when we connected

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<v Speaker 2>over the phone. She said she had plenty of evidence,

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<v Speaker 2>but Sheriff Maldonado and his team ignored her. I couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>confirm this, though, because the Sheriff's department was no longer

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<v Speaker 2>talking to me.

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<v Speaker 8>So she has stough to show you.

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<v Speaker 2>I was leaving home again at the worst time personally.

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<v Speaker 2>My son had a play performance on a piece a

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<v Speaker 2>recycal but my wife was understanding.

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<v Speaker 9>I mean, it's not great timing, but yeah, it seems important.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know where my copy of The Subterraneans is?

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<v Speaker 8>You're going for a few days. How many books do

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<v Speaker 8>you need?

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<v Speaker 9>No?

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<v Speaker 6>No, no, it's not for that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm looking for this very specific copy.

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<v Speaker 10>Yes, get a kindle.

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<v Speaker 2>No, but I wasn't just looking for a casual reread.

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<v Speaker 2>I was preparing to see Laney Jack Harrowax novel The

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<v Speaker 2>Subterraneans was one of my favorites when I was younger,

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<v Speaker 2>and I wanted to find a specific copy after seeing

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<v Speaker 2>the stay away from my daughter email at check the timing,

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<v Speaker 2>and Connor and.

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<v Speaker 1>Chris were right.

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<v Speaker 2>It was right after a very specific experience a road

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<v Speaker 2>trip I took with Willow in nineteen ninety eight. Willow

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<v Speaker 2>gave me The Subterraneans on this trip, and I found

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<v Speaker 2>it wedged in my bookcase.

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<v Speaker 8>Welcome to Hollywood Burk Airport, a reminder.

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<v Speaker 2>For passengers on my way to Colorado. I flipped it

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<v Speaker 2>was a copy that got passed around, full of little

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<v Speaker 2>notes and underline passages. There were a few books like

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<v Speaker 2>this in our friend group that we all read and

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<v Speaker 2>handed off to one another fear and loathing in Las Vegas,

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<v Speaker 2>east of Eden.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember one of the first books that you lent

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<v Speaker 3>me was was Wordsworth.

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<v Speaker 5>It's a book of poetry by Wordsworth.

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<v Speaker 3>Then we started getting really into the Americana stuff, right,

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<v Speaker 3>so we moved into the beat generation, so it was

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<v Speaker 3>like Kerouac and Burrows Ginsburg.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you gave me my first copy of On

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<v Speaker 2>the Road.

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<v Speaker 11>I kept the copy with like your notes in it

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<v Speaker 11>and my notes in it, and we put our names

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<v Speaker 11>on the front. Like everybody that we passed this book

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<v Speaker 11>along to we'd share. And I remember doing that with

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<v Speaker 11>a few books.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I remember that Subterraneans is kind of crazy, overwrought, dense.

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<v Speaker 2>It's about a week long love affair that ends badly.

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<v Speaker 2>I looked at all the underlined parts, the notes scribbled

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<v Speaker 2>in the margins. I found my own bad hand. But

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<v Speaker 2>there were other notes too. Some of them were from Willow,

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<v Speaker 2>I know, because she had a habit of putting stars

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<v Speaker 2>next to passages she liked, but she was also responding

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<v Speaker 2>to notes from someone else, like the one that said

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<v Speaker 2>love makes men crazy, and Willow had written women too

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<v Speaker 2>next to a section where Caroax narrator jumps on a

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<v Speaker 2>street sweeper cart. The other person wrote lost cause these

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<v Speaker 2>were from the guy who'd given her the book, mister wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>Mister wrong was exactly why our road trip was such

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<v Speaker 2>a disaster. I landed in Denver and got a rental car.

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<v Speaker 2>Laney lives in a suburb called Commerce City. I checked

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<v Speaker 2>into a hotel and pulled up to her house around

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<v Speaker 2>five pm. I could see a lady on the porch.

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<v Speaker 2>I decided to record from the get go.

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<v Speaker 8>Hey, lady, Hi looks like a middle aged.

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<v Speaker 6>That's what I am.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi, Well, what are you a spy?

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<v Speaker 3>I know?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it all right if I recording?

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<v Speaker 9>Of course, I told you just don't upload my brain

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<v Speaker 9>to the mothership.

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<v Speaker 2>So I really thank you for talking to me.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, you know what, You're welcome.

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<v Speaker 2>Lane had always been small, and she seemed even smaller now,

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<v Speaker 2>but not fragile. She still looks like she could live

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<v Speaker 2>in the woods.

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<v Speaker 9>If you told me that we would get somewhere anywhere

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<v Speaker 9>with Anna's case, let alone that it would be right

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<v Speaker 9>or fucking strong, I would have told you were crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well you know it was a Willow's letter. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so sorry.

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<v Speaker 10>I know, I know, honey, hair, let's let's have a sleep.

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<v Speaker 1>She had on her porch. She had bourbon, a.

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<v Speaker 8>Little of this.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh yeah, why not?

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you?

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<v Speaker 2>I got the feeling Laney might have already had a few.

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<v Speaker 10>I need to tell you something, right. I was angry

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<v Speaker 10>with you for so long, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know that, and here it comes.

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<v Speaker 2>It's kind of a long story, but I had seen

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<v Speaker 2>Willow a few weeks earlier. We ran into each other

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<v Speaker 2>at a party in Santa Cruz.

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<v Speaker 1>My road tripe with Willow was doomed from the starts.

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<v Speaker 2>And I wasn't there for So why was I not there?

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<v Speaker 2>You were already back east, But actually I guess you

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<v Speaker 2>would have been home for the summer. Chris had already

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<v Speaker 2>transferred to a boarding school in Boston. One thing leads

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<v Speaker 2>to another, and we find ourselves in this room at

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<v Speaker 2>this party making out.

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<v Speaker 5>But that was not the first time my friend.

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<v Speaker 9>Was it.

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<v Speaker 2>No, she was my first kids, But context is everything.

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<v Speaker 2>That first time we were nine, and it was a

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<v Speaker 2>game of truth or dare.

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<v Speaker 1>Then she stops kissing me and tells me she can't.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't do this. She's seen someone brutal.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I'm like, I'm all hurt and embarrassed, and

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<v Speaker 2>because here we've finally taken this leap from friends to

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<v Speaker 2>oh yeah, maybe we're going to date and then just boom,

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<v Speaker 2>like immediately shut down. Of course there's someone else. This

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<v Speaker 2>was the first time I heard about mister Wrong. But

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<v Speaker 2>a few weeks later, Willow called me from the Oakland airport.

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<v Speaker 1>She wanted me to pick her up.

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<v Speaker 2>She was supposed to be getting on a flight to

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<v Speaker 2>some kind of summer camp or retreat.

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't totally clear, but she didn't want to go.

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<v Speaker 1>She wanted us to hit the road. She wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>see if we can be together.

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<v Speaker 2>I was free, and I did want to see if

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<v Speaker 2>we could be together. There was a big part of

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<v Speaker 2>me that had been in love with Willow from the

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<v Speaker 2>moment I met her.

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<v Speaker 1>So I drove to Oakland.

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<v Speaker 9>There were years, years right where I could not say

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<v Speaker 9>your name.

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<v Speaker 10>I wouldn't you know when you picked up Willow that summer. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 10>and you guys just took off your van.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean I thought, I you know, I thought

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<v Speaker 1>it was fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, because she she called me, asked me to come

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<v Speaker 2>pick her up because she didn't want to go to

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<v Speaker 2>the camp a camp, you know that thing in Montana

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<v Speaker 2>wherever she was.

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<v Speaker 10>Going camp you mean, like a like a summer camp. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 10>it was rehab.

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<v Speaker 1>Writer, I should have known.

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<v Speaker 9>Oh god, yeah, we we found her.

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<v Speaker 10>Willa had shed bottles. She had all these pills, just

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<v Speaker 10>a whole bunch of pills. I mean Charlie. You remember Charlie, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 10>kind of kind.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually didn't think I ever met Charlie, but I

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<v Speaker 2>knew that was Laney's boyfriend for a couple of years,

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<v Speaker 2>a pseudo stepdad to Willow.

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<v Speaker 10>She wasn't going to school, wasn't coming home.

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<v Speaker 9>So Charlie had found the place, a place for her

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<v Speaker 9>to you know, get treatment.

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<v Speaker 10>We'd already paid for it.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like I had no idea.

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<v Speaker 10>Really, you had no idea.

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<v Speaker 2>I should have known within minutes of making Willow up

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<v Speaker 2>that she was lying that she didn't want some soul

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<v Speaker 2>searching road trip. This was not a romantic getaway. She

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<v Speaker 2>was all distracted and emotional and manic totally.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>She just wanted to listen to music and find places

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<v Speaker 2>to camp where no one was around, smoked cigarettes, and

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<v Speaker 2>she just like burst into tears.

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<v Speaker 6>Suddenly.

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<v Speaker 2>We spent a week driving north up into Humboldt, and

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<v Speaker 2>despite what she'd insinuated over the phone, everything was strictly platonic.

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<v Speaker 2>I could tell she was going through something, but I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't want to pry. But I also was confused and

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<v Speaker 2>had a lot of my own feelings. It wasn't until

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<v Speaker 2>about five days into the trip that she finally told

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<v Speaker 2>me what was going on.

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<v Speaker 5>She was pregnant.

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<v Speaker 10>For three weeks, I didn't know where my daughter was.

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<v Speaker 5>Didn't tell me.

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<v Speaker 9>I hope you know now that you're a father, you

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<v Speaker 9>understand I can't, but just let me just get this

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<v Speaker 9>out right, or please. For three weeks I didn't know

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<v Speaker 9>where she was Moonbean.

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<v Speaker 10>I thought I had lost her. It was Anna all

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<v Speaker 10>over again.

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<v Speaker 9>And she finally called when you left her in San

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<v Speaker 9>Francisco and she never went over that writer by the way,

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<v Speaker 9>I'm I'm.

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<v Speaker 10>Not gonna lie.

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<v Speaker 9>That's a wound that did not heal. I had to

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<v Speaker 9>drive down to the city and she was a mess.

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<v Speaker 9>She was crushed.

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<v Speaker 2>This was tricky because in my mind I hadn't left

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<v Speaker 2>Willow in San Francisco. In fact, I wanted to stay

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<v Speaker 2>at first, but Willow had decided to have an abortion,

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<v Speaker 2>and she told me that the father, mister Wrong, was

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<v Speaker 2>coming to help her. But I didn't want to sit

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<v Speaker 2>here and get into that with Laney for two reasons. One,

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<v Speaker 2>I thought there was a good chance Willow had lied

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<v Speaker 2>to her mom that she told Laney I was the father,

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<v Speaker 2>And two I thought that was a lie not worth correcting.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I had a bad feeling about mister Wrong. Did

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<v Speaker 2>you ever tell you who it was?

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<v Speaker 5>No, no clue, Right, that's the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>She just told me that she shouldn't be with this guy,

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<v Speaker 2>And honestly I had to start like maybe it was

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<v Speaker 2>her mom's boy.

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<v Speaker 5>Holy shit, Charlie, Seriously, Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>I know. It's incredibly fucked up. Yeah, why else wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>she tell me who it was? Would tell you, would

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<v Speaker 2>tell any of us.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, I get that you didn't want to upset Laney.

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<v Speaker 2>But why does any of this matter? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 6>What does this have to do with Annett?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, because of what lady showed me in the house.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you know that I wrote a short story about

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<v Speaker 2>that road trip with Willow?

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<v Speaker 5>Was it called friend Zone? Don read sixty six?

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<v Speaker 2>It was the first story I published. I fictionalized a lot,

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<v Speaker 2>the characters were older, and I gave the girl a

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<v Speaker 2>different name, Opal, but the plot was the same. A

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<v Speaker 2>man and a woman go on a road trip to

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<v Speaker 2>run away and give being together a shot. Then she

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<v Speaker 2>reveals she's pregnant with her ex boyfriend's child. I went

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<v Speaker 2>back over the story for any clues to who mister

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<v Speaker 2>Wrong was. So in the story, I'm trying to get

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<v Speaker 2>her to tell me who the father is. And this

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<v Speaker 2>is what I wrote. She wasn't going to say. I

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to scream, I wanted to leave. I wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>kiss her.

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<v Speaker 5>Oof right, strong, more like writer weak.

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<v Speaker 2>I hated him whoever he was. With nothing to go on,

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<v Speaker 2>he grew monstrous and perfect in my mind.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh no, that is a good line. Friend.

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<v Speaker 2>He was rich, he was cool, he was taller than me, older,

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<v Speaker 2>listened to better music. None of that might be true,

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<v Speaker 2>but I knew one thing. He made her happy at

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<v Speaker 2>one time. He made opal happy, older, richer, taller, Right,

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<v Speaker 2>But see that's me being insecure and paranoid, right, So

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<v Speaker 2>like that's just speculation. In real life, I dropped Willow

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<v Speaker 2>off at a hotel near a planned parenthood and drove.

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<v Speaker 1>Off confused and sad.

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<v Speaker 2>In the story, the narrator turns back around, he picks

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<v Speaker 2>her up, and they decide to stay together.

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<v Speaker 1>I left it ambiguous if they kept the child or not.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, So here I was on the porch with Lane,

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<v Speaker 2>who's like still in mourning.

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<v Speaker 5>This woman has lost two daughters, yeah right.

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<v Speaker 2>And all I can do is sort of lamely defend

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that I didn't abandon her pregnant daughter to

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<v Speaker 2>get an abortion by herself.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I really didn't want to leave her.

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<v Speaker 1>That was not my intention. I mean, we thought about it.

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to stay.

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<v Speaker 10>Okay, all right.

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<v Speaker 2>I could tell Lane didn't believe me, and I couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>blame her, because no matter how I described it, no

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<v Speaker 2>matter how I spun it, I did leave Willow, and

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<v Speaker 2>I honestly can't remember how it went down exactly. I

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<v Speaker 2>remember crying, I remember her crying, and I know she

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<v Speaker 2>told me to go. But why did I listen? Was

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<v Speaker 2>it because I was respecting her wishes? Or was I

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<v Speaker 2>hurt and pissed off? Was I jealous of mister Wrong?

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<v Speaker 2>Was I mad that she wouldn't tell me who he was?

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<v Speaker 2>Was I mad that she didn't want to make out

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<v Speaker 2>with me? Yes, I think yes to all of those things.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it better if I leave?

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<v Speaker 10>I know, I need to show you what I have.

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<v Speaker 10>It's too important.

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<v Speaker 2>But we stayed on the porch. Laney smoked, she poured

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<v Speaker 2>more whiskey. Eventually she began to talk about the tender hearts.

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<v Speaker 10>Oh yeah, man, we were going to change the world.

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<v Speaker 10>It was radical. It was a radical change. And with

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<v Speaker 10>the kids. We thought it was perfect. Let the woods

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<v Speaker 10>be schooled, a nature, you know, be their teacher.

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<v Speaker 2>But the reality was the kids, the Gramets got older.

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<v Speaker 9>God damn Liam was out of hand, what a snot?

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<v Speaker 9>And him and his mom left when he was.

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<v Speaker 10>Like nine or ten. And then Jones's son started going

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<v Speaker 10>to Twin Hills.

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<v Speaker 2>Before they knew it, Laney and and the other moms

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<v Speaker 2>were driving to three different schools.

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<v Speaker 9>Suddenly our like free flowing, groovy thing became about who

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<v Speaker 9>was picking up whose kid, who had the keys to

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<v Speaker 9>who's car?

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<v Speaker 10>And god, my girls hated it, and I hated it.

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<v Speaker 9>She wanted diet coke and Cheetos, she wanted pom poms

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<v Speaker 9>and you know the fucking Sandie Hawking's dance. Oh God,

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<v Speaker 9>there's a girl in town, Bailey Bam bam whatever. And

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<v Speaker 9>she would be dropped off by her mom and she

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<v Speaker 9>would pull up in the front of the school and

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<v Speaker 9>she had this like white jeep, you know, and the

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<v Speaker 9>blonde hair and on the clothes. And Anna turns to

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<v Speaker 9>me one day and she says, why can't we be

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<v Speaker 9>like that? And I was like, honey, stardust, love of

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<v Speaker 9>my life.

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<v Speaker 10>That is death, that is hell.

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<v Speaker 9>You want to live like that. You gotta take the

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<v Speaker 9>whole thing. You're gonna You're gonna have a job you hate.

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<v Speaker 10>You're gonna have some man telling you what to do,

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<v Speaker 10>breathing down your neck.

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<v Speaker 1>Lady saw tender hearts as a rect.

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<v Speaker 9>I was protecting them, my girls. They had no idea

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<v Speaker 9>how much I was protecting them. I was coming from well,

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<v Speaker 9>I'm gonna tell you, I don't care.

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<v Speaker 10>I was raped when I was fourteen.

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<v Speaker 9>Oh god, yeah, by my dad's best friend, Davis Cooper.

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<v Speaker 10>Davis, I'm so sorry.

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<v Speaker 5>That's so awful.

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<v Speaker 9>And for my parents, for Cooper, there was something normal

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<v Speaker 9>about it, you know, it was like expected first week

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<v Speaker 9>of summer.

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<v Speaker 10>Landy's fourteen. Laney has a new bathing suit. So sure

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<v Speaker 10>Cooper couldn't help himself. I'm fucking believable.

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<v Speaker 4>Cool.

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<v Speaker 9>You know what my dad did, He went and he

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<v Speaker 9>had a talk with him. My mom's a mess, My

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<v Speaker 9>brother Jacob doesn't know what the hell is going on.

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<v Speaker 9>My dad goes to Cooper.

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<v Speaker 10>The men had their talk and everything's fine, just right

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<v Speaker 10>back to the rug. They have their talk. Cooper comes

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<v Speaker 10>to dinner the next week. Fuck you want to smoke?

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, thank you?

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<v Speaker 10>You gotta quit this shit, writer, I stopped. I made

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<v Speaker 10>it almost five years of spring. You wait till you

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<v Speaker 10>have a teenager? What do you have a girl son?

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<v Speaker 10>Oh my god, thank god?

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<v Speaker 2>You better.

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<v Speaker 10>Thank god. Every day you take him to the woods,

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<v Speaker 10>you give them treat time.

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<v Speaker 5>Didn't Actually I try.

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<v Speaker 2>Anna turning away from the tender hearts wasn't just a

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<v Speaker 2>lifestyle choice or a philosophical betrayal. It brought real consequences.

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<v Speaker 9>She goes off for the all American life and wanted

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<v Speaker 9>to get her It got her shitty friends, the mall girls.

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<v Speaker 9>I called them, a boyfriend who thinks he owns her,

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<v Speaker 9>and some other fucking guy she won't say who it is,

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<v Speaker 9>and her notes was constantly bugging her.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so this is the stalker.

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<v Speaker 2>At first, Anna complained about a guy who wouldn't leave

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<v Speaker 2>her alone, but then things changed all of a sudden.

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<v Speaker 10>She's missing school, late nights, taking the car out.

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<v Speaker 2>He wore down.

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<v Speaker 10>That's not of a bitch, wore down.

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<v Speaker 1>And she never said who it was.

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<v Speaker 10>No, because by then you know she lost her tender heart.

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<v Speaker 10>She barely talked to me anymore.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, hold up, is this where you tell me Anna's

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<v Speaker 5>stalker was Charlie.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, because Charlie and Laney didn't meet until nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>ninety seven, and he was stationed overseas in ninety five.

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<v Speaker 2>But you're on the right track. Laney was convinced that

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<v Speaker 2>she had evidence that could solve Anna's case, but Maldonado

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<v Speaker 2>and his team wouldn't listen to her.

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<v Speaker 9>The pull it fucking bullets out of trees, Jason Parking tickets,

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<v Speaker 9>going after oh Rick.

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<v Speaker 10>They destroyed that man, They destroyed him. You lose your daughter,

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<v Speaker 10>you know.

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<v Speaker 9>But if you care about that, you want to actually

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<v Speaker 9>do the work, well, then I'm a crazy lady, right,

0:22:13.240 --> 0:22:16.560
<v Speaker 9>I'm hysterical. Miss miss calmed down.

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<v Speaker 10>You know what that means.

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<v Speaker 9>You know, know your place, Keep your mouth shut, Let

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<v Speaker 9>the men work, Let the men do their thing.

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<v Speaker 5>Cooper comes to dinner next week.

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<v Speaker 10>Goddamn, look at you.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right.

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<v Speaker 10>You listen. You're open rider. Okay, let's hit aside.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Walking in, though I wished we'd stayed outside, I couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>see the floor close. Everywhere she had rows of paper bags,

0:22:47.800 --> 0:22:50.840
<v Speaker 2>brown paper bags that looked like they were filled with rocks,

0:22:51.400 --> 0:22:55.120
<v Speaker 2>and there was insulation rolls and strips of pink wall

0:22:55.240 --> 0:23:03.399
<v Speaker 2>insulation piled around. You need to go through stuff, blankets, baskets,

0:23:03.680 --> 0:23:07.680
<v Speaker 2>and figurines. She had a huge collection of Kachina dolls,

0:23:07.800 --> 0:23:11.640
<v Speaker 2>traditional hopie figurines. I didn't know where to walk, where

0:23:11.680 --> 0:23:14.240
<v Speaker 2>I could walk, so I focused on those.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh these are great.

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<v Speaker 10>Oh yeah, oh my little warriors. Yeah, let's let's go

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<v Speaker 10>to the kitchen. About these three boxes here, Wow, it's

0:23:27.240 --> 0:23:27.960
<v Speaker 10>my Anna collection.

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<v Speaker 2>One box was full of early childhood stuff, her first.

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<v Speaker 10>Little hair cutting.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, look at this dress she made, not good, purple

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<v Speaker 9>and white, my stardust child will it was my moonbeam.

0:23:41.480 --> 0:23:43.160
<v Speaker 10>But Anna was all stardust.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a lot of homemade trinkets. There was a

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<v Speaker 2>dream catcher. Then there was a box of stuff from

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<v Speaker 2>when she was older.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, this is the makeup box she made me by her.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a collection of books Ed Ground, Poe, The

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<v Speaker 2>Dow of Pooh, The Secret Language of Birdays It. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>And there was a copy of Stephen King's It. It

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<v Speaker 2>was the same edition I remembered reading, and I.

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<v Speaker 10>Liked all that gothic stuff. But here, this is this

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<v Speaker 10>is the real stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Here she pulled out big folded papers and leather notebooks.

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<v Speaker 10>So, okay, the first thing. The most important thing is

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<v Speaker 10>the fire. Right Willow's rage.

0:24:23.720 --> 0:24:25.480
<v Speaker 2>Laney unfolded a map of Sonoma County.

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<v Speaker 9>So when Anna didn't come home the next morning, I

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<v Speaker 9>knew that we were dealing with vindictive forces.

0:24:31.440 --> 0:24:33.960
<v Speaker 2>She also had a page of tracing paper with lines

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<v Speaker 2>and symbols, and I started to get worried.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, these are here, take up the hand this candle.

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<v Speaker 1>I realized too late. I had backed myself into a corner.

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<v Speaker 10>This is the constellation Pleiades. You know you're stars, No Pleiades,

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<v Speaker 10>the Seven Sisters.

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<v Speaker 8>Right, yes, so that's key.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Now look at this. Do you see this?

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<v Speaker 8>Look at this?

0:25:03.800 --> 0:25:06.400
<v Speaker 1>Oh you know, they line.

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<v Speaker 10>Up, they light up exactly. Look burn here, no, burn here,

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<v Speaker 10>burn here.

0:25:14.320 --> 0:25:16.719
<v Speaker 9>Willow started that fire, but there were there were spirit

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<v Speaker 9>guiding it, spirit stopping it.

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<v Speaker 2>I knew that if I said the wrong thing, I'd

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<v Speaker 2>be one more person telling Laney she was crazy and hysterical.

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<v Speaker 10>Okay, okay, but the real breakthrough of you okay later.

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<v Speaker 10>Now this is this is my journal.

0:25:30.520 --> 0:25:30.680
<v Speaker 5>Here.

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<v Speaker 9>I tracked every session I had with mary Anne.

0:25:34.840 --> 0:25:36.280
<v Speaker 1>Oh, who's Who's mary Anne.

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<v Speaker 9>Marianne was the medium I met in two thousand and two.

0:25:39.080 --> 0:25:41.040
<v Speaker 9>By the way, I met her on October twenty third,

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<v Speaker 9>at two thousand and two, yeah, Anna's birthday.

0:25:46.560 --> 0:25:48.639
<v Speaker 10>I found her in Monterey. She was working with the

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<v Speaker 10>Piscali group. She was trained by Piscali himself.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, lady, I don't I'm sorry. I don't want to.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't mean to cut you off.

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<v Speaker 8>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>You need to be open, right, Oh, I need you

0:25:56.400 --> 0:25:56.879
<v Speaker 2>to look at this.

0:25:57.160 --> 0:25:59.040
<v Speaker 1>You have to be open. But I'm trying to be

0:25:59.160 --> 0:26:03.160
<v Speaker 1>I just want I think I should just be very clear.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm an atheist and i'm, you know, diehard skeptic.

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<v Speaker 10>You know you don't believe me.

0:26:09.080 --> 0:26:12.000
<v Speaker 1>I believe that you. I don't doubt that you had

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<v Speaker 1>an experience.

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<v Speaker 10>I had a series of experiences, right, But I you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm looking. I'm trying to find some evidence that this is.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what I can really do with this.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not like I tried to get her attention back

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<v Speaker 2>to the first couple of boxes.

0:26:27.000 --> 0:26:31.439
<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking more like, do you have any journals or letters?

0:26:31.440 --> 0:26:35.520
<v Speaker 1>If she box right here? Okay, yeah, so the books.

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<v Speaker 4>And what is this?

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<v Speaker 1>Is this what I was flipping through the copy of it?

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<v Speaker 1>Is this Anna's handwriting?

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<v Speaker 5>Who?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, who gave her this?

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<v Speaker 5>Book.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, because I have a book from Willow

0:26:52.040 --> 0:26:55.120
<v Speaker 2>and I swear it's it's the exact same camera handwriting.

0:26:55.160 --> 0:26:57.119
<v Speaker 2>There was a note in the margin of one page

0:26:58.280 --> 0:27:04.040
<v Speaker 2>lost cause mister wrong. I remember the book in evidence

0:27:04.040 --> 0:27:06.960
<v Speaker 2>at the Sheriff's department too, The Way of the Peaceful Warrior?

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<v Speaker 1>Did it have notes in it? Book from It's I

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<v Speaker 1>have it back in my hotel or if I could,

0:27:13.000 --> 0:27:13.600
<v Speaker 1>can I keep this?

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<v Speaker 10>That was anas?

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<v Speaker 5>Okay?

0:27:16.640 --> 0:27:16.800
<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Okause Willow? Do you know who was giving her books?

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<v Speaker 6>Like?

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<v Speaker 10>Who giv writer friends? Teachers?

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<v Speaker 2>Laney said it so casually, but I suddenly had a

0:27:29.000 --> 0:27:34.040
<v Speaker 2>very strong sinking feeling a teacher. Yeah, because Willow gave

0:27:34.119 --> 0:27:37.520
<v Speaker 2>me a book, and uh, it was from the guy

0:27:37.640 --> 0:27:41.000
<v Speaker 2>that she was seeing in uh in ninety eight, the

0:27:41.040 --> 0:27:42.840
<v Speaker 2>guy that she called mister wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>Mister wrong. Yeah, he was. I don't know, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know who he was, but he was. He was the father.

0:27:52.840 --> 0:27:58.960
<v Speaker 1>Who's father, you know, baby Willow's baby Lane what.

0:28:04.240 --> 0:28:07.320
<v Speaker 2>Laney never knew Willow was pregnant, never knew she had

0:28:07.359 --> 0:28:12.200
<v Speaker 2>an abortion. She was understandably upset. She asked me to leave.

0:28:12.960 --> 0:28:16.880
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, it was awful. I called my wife

0:28:16.920 --> 0:28:17.720
<v Speaker 1>after I drove away.

0:28:18.119 --> 0:28:20.119
<v Speaker 8>Well, I mean it sounds like she's still grieving.

0:28:20.320 --> 0:28:22.720
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I know, but I mean, how was I supposed

0:28:22.720 --> 0:28:24.080
<v Speaker 2>to know that she didn't know this?

0:28:24.960 --> 0:28:25.960
<v Speaker 1>There was no way I could know that.

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<v Speaker 8>I don't think I knew the whole story I told

0:28:31.760 --> 0:28:38.800
<v Speaker 8>you about Willow. Maybe, but isn't this podcast about her sister?

0:28:39.040 --> 0:28:39.520
<v Speaker 2>Yes, it is.

0:28:42.240 --> 0:28:44.800
<v Speaker 8>Right. I didn't think you're gonna be spending all your

0:28:44.840 --> 0:28:46.200
<v Speaker 8>time talking about an next girlfriend.

0:28:46.600 --> 0:28:49.800
<v Speaker 2>She's she's a friend. It was just like this one

0:28:51.000 --> 0:28:53.719
<v Speaker 2>you know, this one moment when we're teenagers.

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<v Speaker 8>Right, who you were in love with and who you

0:28:57.040 --> 0:28:58.360
<v Speaker 8>what drove to get an abortion.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not what this is about.

0:29:01.840 --> 0:29:03.480
<v Speaker 8>It's kind of becoming about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right, look, I gotta I gotta get to

0:29:05.720 --> 0:29:07.000
<v Speaker 1>the hotel. I'm still kind of.

0:29:07.320 --> 0:29:08.040
<v Speaker 2>Reeling right now.

0:29:08.160 --> 0:29:09.360
<v Speaker 1>So can I just call you later?

0:29:10.160 --> 0:29:10.360
<v Speaker 8>Yeah?

0:29:14.040 --> 0:29:14.920
<v Speaker 1>I went to the hotel.

0:29:15.920 --> 0:29:17.880
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't sure if I should stay in Denver and

0:29:18.120 --> 0:29:19.680
<v Speaker 2>try and call Laney the next day or what.

0:29:20.560 --> 0:29:23.120
<v Speaker 1>I felt horrible here.

0:29:23.400 --> 0:29:26.840
<v Speaker 2>Lanny thought I was coming to help her, that I

0:29:27.000 --> 0:29:29.800
<v Speaker 2>was somebody was finally going to take her seriously and

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<v Speaker 2>maybe help give her answers.

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<v Speaker 1>Instead, I brought more doubt, more.

0:29:36.240 --> 0:29:40.720
<v Speaker 2>Questions, maybe even made her feel betrayed by her other daughter.

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<v Speaker 5>Hold on, you think, mister wrong. The guy who got

0:29:43.520 --> 0:29:45.920
<v Speaker 5>Willow pregnant and Anna's killer are the same person.

0:29:46.240 --> 0:29:49.320
<v Speaker 2>I called Chris and Monica to go over things exactly

0:29:49.520 --> 0:29:51.720
<v Speaker 2>because of a note in a book. No, it's more

0:29:51.760 --> 0:29:52.320
<v Speaker 2>than that, it's more.

0:29:52.400 --> 0:29:53.000
<v Speaker 1>It all fits.

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<v Speaker 2>Just stay with me here, Okay, Anna has a stalker.

0:29:57.360 --> 0:29:58.760
<v Speaker 1>She complains to her mom, but.

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<v Speaker 2>Then at some point Anna stops complaining about him and

0:30:01.840 --> 0:30:03.840
<v Speaker 2>she actually starts dating him, and.

0:30:04.040 --> 0:30:06.800
<v Speaker 6>She makes the tape for him. But she doesn't say

0:30:06.800 --> 0:30:07.920
<v Speaker 6>his name on the tape.

0:30:08.080 --> 0:30:11.480
<v Speaker 2>Because it's a secret relationship. She can't tell anyone, her mom,

0:30:11.800 --> 0:30:13.600
<v Speaker 2>her sister, Mick, anyone.

0:30:13.800 --> 0:30:15.720
<v Speaker 6>She doesn't want anybody to know who this guy is.

0:30:16.120 --> 0:30:19.959
<v Speaker 2>There's something wrong or inappropriate, maybe illegal about their affair,

0:30:20.520 --> 0:30:23.600
<v Speaker 2>and they have a plan, Operation van go And from

0:30:23.640 --> 0:30:27.360
<v Speaker 2>the tape we know he's scared of what society thinks

0:30:27.360 --> 0:30:29.480
<v Speaker 2>of him. He's told her age doesn't matter.

0:30:29.760 --> 0:30:30.920
<v Speaker 1>There's also this moment.

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<v Speaker 4>Van Goes suffered from severe emotional and psychological problems and

0:30:35.680 --> 0:30:39.320
<v Speaker 4>died in France at the age of thirty seven. Thirty seven.

0:30:39.800 --> 0:30:42.000
<v Speaker 2>That makes me think that he was thirty seven or

0:30:42.280 --> 0:30:45.040
<v Speaker 2>I don't like about to turn thirty seven, and maybe

0:30:45.080 --> 0:30:49.040
<v Speaker 2>he's married, maybe he would lose his job, maybe he's

0:30:49.080 --> 0:30:51.960
<v Speaker 2>a teacher. Halloween night, Anna and Mick have their fight.

0:30:52.280 --> 0:30:54.760
<v Speaker 2>The mean girls are mean, and Anna makes a decision

0:30:55.360 --> 0:30:56.920
<v Speaker 2>it's time for Operation man Go.

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<v Speaker 6>But she still pages Mick.

0:31:00.160 --> 0:31:01.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know about that.

0:31:02.480 --> 0:31:05.720
<v Speaker 2>Maybe she's torn, should should get back together with Mick

0:31:05.840 --> 0:31:06.640
<v Speaker 2>or run away.

0:31:06.400 --> 0:31:07.040
<v Speaker 1>With this other guy.

0:31:07.240 --> 0:31:10.160
<v Speaker 2>Maybe she's hedging her bets because the guy might not

0:31:10.320 --> 0:31:13.680
<v Speaker 2>go through with Operation van Go. Either way, Yes, she

0:31:13.800 --> 0:31:16.560
<v Speaker 2>pages Mick, but then she changes her mind and she.

0:31:16.640 --> 0:31:18.040
<v Speaker 6>Meets up with this other guy.

0:31:18.440 --> 0:31:20.560
<v Speaker 12>He picks her up before Mike gets to the payphone,

0:31:21.040 --> 0:31:22.680
<v Speaker 12>or they meet somewhere else.

0:31:22.680 --> 0:31:26.040
<v Speaker 2>Entirely, and maybe they start Operation van Go. Maybe he

0:31:26.120 --> 0:31:28.560
<v Speaker 2>helps her get to the airport to fly away somewhere.

0:31:28.800 --> 0:31:32.080
<v Speaker 2>Or they fight and she threatens to tell everyone about

0:31:32.120 --> 0:31:32.880
<v Speaker 2>their affair.

0:31:32.680 --> 0:31:33.840
<v Speaker 5>Which would ruin his life.

0:31:34.160 --> 0:31:37.160
<v Speaker 6>Maybe he kills her to cover up the affair.

0:31:37.480 --> 0:31:40.400
<v Speaker 2>He hides her body, he drives Tony down to the

0:31:40.480 --> 0:31:43.760
<v Speaker 2>celty lot. Makes it plausible that Anna just ran away.

0:31:44.880 --> 0:31:47.080
<v Speaker 2>Now all that is pretty much what I was thinking

0:31:47.120 --> 0:31:48.640
<v Speaker 2>anyway when I was focused on Mick.

0:31:49.480 --> 0:31:50.360
<v Speaker 5>But here's what's new.

0:31:50.480 --> 0:31:53.480
<v Speaker 2>Three years later, nineteen ninety eight, the guy got away

0:31:53.520 --> 0:31:56.760
<v Speaker 2>with it. Anna's gone, The case is cold. Life has

0:31:57.080 --> 0:31:58.040
<v Speaker 2>moved on for everyone.

0:31:58.600 --> 0:32:01.120
<v Speaker 5>But he's still in he is.

0:32:01.960 --> 0:32:05.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's still potentially in the lady's life. He could

0:32:05.600 --> 0:32:06.480
<v Speaker 2>be a friend of the family.

0:32:06.880 --> 0:32:07.680
<v Speaker 5>He's still teaching.

0:32:08.440 --> 0:32:11.480
<v Speaker 2>And lo and behold, here comes Willow, a new young

0:32:11.640 --> 0:32:14.560
<v Speaker 2>Trander girl. This is a grass, I know, but it's

0:32:14.560 --> 0:32:17.080
<v Speaker 2>a pattern, right. This guy's got a thing for grooming

0:32:17.120 --> 0:32:18.880
<v Speaker 2>young girls. What are the chances that he would do

0:32:18.960 --> 0:32:19.680
<v Speaker 2>it more than once?

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<v Speaker 9>Hi?

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<v Speaker 2>I guess now. It's nineteen ninety eight and Willow, like

0:32:24.360 --> 0:32:27.680
<v Speaker 2>her sister, is in a secret relationship. And Willow can't

0:32:27.720 --> 0:32:30.080
<v Speaker 2>tell anyone, not her mom, not us.

0:32:30.720 --> 0:32:35.160
<v Speaker 6>Why not the same reasons Anna didn't tell anyone. He's older, he's.

0:32:35.040 --> 0:32:39.120
<v Speaker 2>Inappropriate, he's maybe still a teacher, still married.

0:32:39.400 --> 0:32:43.680
<v Speaker 5>Jesus. Do you remember Jacob Wyman? No, the English teacher.

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<v Speaker 5>I never had him, but there were kids who loved

0:32:46.680 --> 0:32:47.040
<v Speaker 5>this guy.

0:32:47.080 --> 0:32:49.400
<v Speaker 2>He was one of those dudes that was like one

0:32:49.440 --> 0:32:50.800
<v Speaker 2>of the kids to call him by his first name,

0:32:50.880 --> 0:32:52.320
<v Speaker 2>not mister Wyman, but Jacob.

0:32:52.440 --> 0:32:52.560
<v Speaker 4>Oh.

0:32:52.720 --> 0:32:54.600
<v Speaker 2>Was he the one that took kids camping?

0:32:54.880 --> 0:32:59.280
<v Speaker 5>Yes, exactly, exactly the senior trip. Jacob's senior trip.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, he was a teacher at Annelie. Did he ever

0:33:03.600 --> 0:33:07.360
<v Speaker 6>come up? No? But hold on, I'm going to search

0:33:07.440 --> 0:33:08.120
<v Speaker 6>the archives.

0:33:08.400 --> 0:33:10.400
<v Speaker 2>Monica still had access to the back articles of the

0:33:10.440 --> 0:33:11.160
<v Speaker 2>Press Democrat.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh there's a lot. I mean these are boring mentions, assemblies,

0:33:14.760 --> 0:33:19.360
<v Speaker 6>football games, direct school play one year. Oh, okay, there's

0:33:19.360 --> 0:33:21.280
<v Speaker 6>an article about Harry Potter. He's quoted.

0:33:21.560 --> 0:33:22.600
<v Speaker 1>It was two thousand and one.

0:33:22.920 --> 0:33:25.400
<v Speaker 2>Remember there was a backlash to Harry Potter that the

0:33:25.440 --> 0:33:27.240
<v Speaker 2>books were promoting witchcraft.

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<v Speaker 6>We don't give kids enough credits.

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<v Speaker 12>As Jacob Wyman, an English teacher at Annelie High School,

0:33:32.600 --> 0:33:34.640
<v Speaker 12>I'd rather kids explore things dark or.

0:33:34.680 --> 0:33:37.720
<v Speaker 6>Risky things in fiction. I encourage them to read whatever

0:33:37.800 --> 0:33:40.280
<v Speaker 6>they enjoy, horror, crime, any genre.

0:33:41.120 --> 0:33:43.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Anna had a copy of Stephen King's Hit.

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<v Speaker 6>His stance, though, isn't without controversy.

0:33:48.960 --> 0:33:51.920
<v Speaker 12>Wyman landed in hot water last semester when several parents

0:33:52.080 --> 0:33:55.920
<v Speaker 12>noticed he had included the novel Damage by Josephine Hart

0:33:56.440 --> 0:33:57.720
<v Speaker 12>on his fall reading list.

0:33:58.400 --> 0:34:01.600
<v Speaker 6>I could see their concerns and said he ended up

0:34:01.680 --> 0:34:03.440
<v Speaker 6>dropping Damage from his syllabus.

0:34:04.440 --> 0:34:05.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what is this book?

0:34:06.320 --> 0:34:06.800
<v Speaker 5>Damage?

0:34:07.680 --> 0:34:13.320
<v Speaker 12>Yes, Damage by Josephine Hart is a psychological thriller centered

0:34:13.520 --> 0:34:17.840
<v Speaker 12>on a respectable British politician, doctor Stephen Fleming, whose life

0:34:18.040 --> 0:34:21.320
<v Speaker 12>spirals when he becomes obsessively and destructively involved with his

0:34:21.520 --> 0:34:24.120
<v Speaker 12>son's fiance Anna.

0:34:27.320 --> 0:34:31.160
<v Speaker 2>Are you kidding me? The character's name is Anna Forbidden Desire,

0:34:31.640 --> 0:34:33.640
<v Speaker 2>secret affair, an older man.

0:34:33.840 --> 0:34:34.759
<v Speaker 1>And a younger woman.

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<v Speaker 8>I haven't read it.

0:34:36.719 --> 0:34:39.280
<v Speaker 1>I haven't read this, but it sounded familiar.

0:34:39.800 --> 0:34:42.359
<v Speaker 2>I thought maybe because it was a bestseller, because there

0:34:42.440 --> 0:34:45.520
<v Speaker 2>was a movie made, But actually it was familiar for

0:34:45.560 --> 0:34:46.280
<v Speaker 2>another reason.

0:34:47.000 --> 0:34:47.919
<v Speaker 1>What's this other note?

0:34:47.960 --> 0:34:48.120
<v Speaker 6>Here?

0:34:48.400 --> 0:34:51.000
<v Speaker 2>Weeks ago, I had been requesting items one by one

0:34:51.120 --> 0:34:54.680
<v Speaker 2>from the evidence catalog at the Sheriff's Department damage heart

0:34:55.000 --> 0:34:57.600
<v Speaker 2>spelled ha rt.

0:34:58.120 --> 0:35:00.600
<v Speaker 5>There might be a note that the book is damaged

0:35:01.600 --> 0:35:04.440
<v Speaker 5>or could be a type damaged art.

0:35:06.360 --> 0:35:07.479
<v Speaker 1>I needed to see that book.

0:35:16.320 --> 0:35:19.400
<v Speaker 2>That night in Denver, I could barely sleep. This felt

0:35:19.560 --> 0:35:22.640
<v Speaker 2>like enough to bring to Greer and Lachlan. They could

0:35:22.719 --> 0:35:26.040
<v Speaker 2>open up the evidence locker and see for themselves. I

0:35:26.120 --> 0:35:28.240
<v Speaker 2>compiled my clips so I could call the Sheriff's department

0:35:28.239 --> 0:35:30.839
<v Speaker 2>in the morning, But when I woke up, I got

0:35:30.920 --> 0:35:31.239
<v Speaker 2>a call.

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<v Speaker 1>From my brother, Hey, what's going on?

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<v Speaker 2>Hey?

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<v Speaker 8>Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>So the Sheriff's department is here.

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<v Speaker 1>He was calling from my parents' house.

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<v Speaker 8>What.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they have a warrant and they're searching the house.

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<v Speaker 1>They're going through all the closets and outside.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the whole.

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<v Speaker 6>What are they what are they looking for?

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