1 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: The Red Weather is a work of fiction. 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 2: Any resemblance to actual persons or events reflects the adaptation 3 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 2: of real, publicly available materials for creative and legal reasons. 4 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:13,119 Speaker 2: The content of this podcast is the sole responsibility of 5 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 2: Red Weather LLC and does not reflect the views of 6 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 2: responsibilities of iHeartMedia or its affiliates. Previously on The Red Weather. 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 2: A few days before she died, I got a letter 8 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 2: from Willow. Willow was my neighbor and one of my 9 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 2: best friends as a kid. The central trauma of Willow's 10 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 2: life had to do with her sister Anna. On Halloween 11 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 2: night nineteen ninety five, Anna disappeared. Well, it was a 12 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 2: little superficial, but I would love to. 13 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: Say some of this stuff. 14 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 2: I was reading the evidence catalog for Anna Trainer's case, 15 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 2: like this book maybe, and then could I see the bullets? 16 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 3: I always said that she made that take for somebody else, 17 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 3: an older guy. 18 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:53,200 Speaker 2: You said this thing last week. 19 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 4: He said, Oh, I'm glad you're sixteen at least, because 20 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 4: I know it's because you just want me to drive. 21 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 4: But then it all so it can't be true. 22 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 2: That age is a matter. I think in order to 23 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:04,559 Speaker 2: get more information about that, I need to talk to Laney, 24 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 2: because I know there's. 25 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 5: Gonna be your worst conversion. 26 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 2: I know I'm not looking forward to her writer. 27 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 6: It's Lanie Traynor. I don't know. It's been years, decades. 28 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 6: I'm in Colorado. 29 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 3: Okay, call me back then, and I. 30 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:18,119 Speaker 1: Knew I had to go to Colorado. 31 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 2: I was over a month into investigating the disappearance of 32 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 2: Annah Trainer when I finally heard from her mom, Lane, I. 33 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 6: Have lots to show you, things you need to see. 34 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 2: We traded phone calls. She agreed that if I came 35 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 2: out to Denver, she would tell me everything. We set 36 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 2: a date, I got a flight. I was excited, but then. 37 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 5: I cannot believe she's going to talk to you. 38 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 2: My buddy Chris reminded me, you basically ran away with 39 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 2: her daughter that one summer. What are you talking about her? 40 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 5: Didn't you and Willow take that road trip up through Humboldt. 41 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 2: I started this podcast because Anna's sister, Willow sent me 42 00:01:57,560 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 2: a letter before she killed herself. Yeah, but it was 43 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 2: like we were running away. Connor, our other friend, agreed 44 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 2: with Chris. 45 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 6: Oh, she'd already run away. She was living in the 46 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 6: Hest building. 47 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 2: The hest building was an abandoned building behind the coffee 48 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 2: shop in our hometown. 49 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 7: I mean, I just remember you had to go through 50 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 7: like this little fence to get in, and then you know, 51 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 7: it was all run down. 52 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: The whole wall was open and you could. 53 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 7: Kind of climb around a lot of different places, but 54 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,119 Speaker 7: that was the spot you'd go and smoke weed. And 55 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 7: I mean it wasn't really a party place and never 56 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 7: really like partied there, but that's where people would go about. 57 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 5: I know she lived there for a while. 58 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 2: In the years after her sister disappeared, Willow's life began 59 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:41,519 Speaker 2: to unravel a bit. Drugs, alcohol, She discovered raves in 60 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 2: San Francisco, she dropped out of school. It was definitely 61 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 2: a rough time, a dramatic time for her and me. 62 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 2: You might remember the first episode of this podcast I 63 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 2: mentioned there was a moment when Willow and I dated. 64 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 2: I wasn't sure if I had ever talk about that. 65 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 2: This was a podcast about Anna, after all, trying to 66 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 2: uncover what happened to her, or at least get a 67 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 2: better understanding of her story. After I talked with Connor 68 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 2: and Chris, Though, I went back and found my last 69 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 2: contact with Laney. 70 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: It was an email she sent. 71 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 2: Me in nineteen ninety eight. It was just a subject 72 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:20,359 Speaker 2: line in all caps. It said, writer, stay the hell 73 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:21,519 Speaker 2: away from my daughter. 74 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 1: I am actor and filmmaker, writer strong. This is the 75 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: red weather. 76 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 2: In some ways, I was further along in Nana's case 77 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 2: than I'd ever dreamed. I had found new evidence, a 78 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:28,919 Speaker 2: new angle, and a new hypothetical person who might have 79 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:32,280 Speaker 2: helped her run away, maybe even killed her. The catch, 80 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 2: I had no clue who that person could be. Laney 81 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 2: seemed to know what I was talking about, though. She 82 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 2: knew all about the stalker, she said when we connected 83 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 2: over the phone. She said she had plenty of evidence, 84 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 2: but Sheriff Maldonado and his team ignored her. I couldn't 85 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 2: confirm this, though, because the Sheriff's department was no longer 86 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:52,719 Speaker 2: talking to me. 87 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 8: So she has stough to show you. 88 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 2: I was leaving home again at the worst time personally. 89 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 2: My son had a play performance on a piece a 90 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 2: recycal but my wife was understanding. 91 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 9: I mean, it's not great timing, but yeah, it seems important. 92 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:10,479 Speaker 1: Do you know where my copy of The Subterraneans is? 93 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:15,359 Speaker 8: You're going for a few days. How many books do 94 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:15,600 Speaker 8: you need? 95 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 9: No? 96 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 6: No, no, it's not for that. 97 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 2: I'm looking for this very specific copy. 98 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 10: Yes, get a kindle. 99 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 2: No, but I wasn't just looking for a casual reread. 100 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 2: I was preparing to see Laney Jack Harrowax novel The 101 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 2: Subterraneans was one of my favorites when I was younger, 102 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 2: and I wanted to find a specific copy after seeing 103 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,359 Speaker 2: the stay away from my daughter email at check the timing, 104 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:37,159 Speaker 2: and Connor and. 105 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: Chris were right. 106 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 2: It was right after a very specific experience a road 107 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 2: trip I took with Willow in nineteen ninety eight. Willow 108 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 2: gave me The Subterraneans on this trip, and I found 109 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 2: it wedged in my bookcase. 110 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 8: Welcome to Hollywood Burk Airport, a reminder. 111 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 2: For passengers on my way to Colorado. I flipped it 112 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:03,359 Speaker 2: was a copy that got passed around, full of little 113 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:07,359 Speaker 2: notes and underline passages. There were a few books like 114 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 2: this in our friend group that we all read and 115 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 2: handed off to one another fear and loathing in Las Vegas, 116 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:14,039 Speaker 2: east of Eden. 117 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 3: I remember one of the first books that you lent 118 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 3: me was was Wordsworth. 119 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 5: It's a book of poetry by Wordsworth. 120 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 3: Then we started getting really into the Americana stuff, right, 121 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 3: so we moved into the beat generation, so it was 122 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 3: like Kerouac and Burrows Ginsburg. 123 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 2: I think you gave me my first copy of On 124 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 2: the Road. 125 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 11: I kept the copy with like your notes in it 126 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 11: and my notes in it, and we put our names 127 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:43,279 Speaker 11: on the front. Like everybody that we passed this book 128 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 11: along to we'd share. And I remember doing that with 129 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 11: a few books. 130 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember that Subterraneans is kind of crazy, overwrought, dense. 131 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 2: It's about a week long love affair that ends badly. 132 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 2: I looked at all the underlined parts, the notes scribbled 133 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 2: in the margins. I found my own bad hand. But 134 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 2: there were other notes too. Some of them were from Willow, 135 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 2: I know, because she had a habit of putting stars 136 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 2: next to passages she liked, but she was also responding 137 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 2: to notes from someone else, like the one that said 138 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 2: love makes men crazy, and Willow had written women too 139 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 2: next to a section where Caroax narrator jumps on a 140 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 2: street sweeper cart. The other person wrote lost cause these 141 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 2: were from the guy who'd given her the book, mister wrong. 142 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 2: Mister wrong was exactly why our road trip was such 143 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 2: a disaster. I landed in Denver and got a rental car. 144 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 2: Laney lives in a suburb called Commerce City. I checked 145 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 2: into a hotel and pulled up to her house around 146 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 2: five pm. I could see a lady on the porch. 147 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 2: I decided to record from the get go. 148 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 8: Hey, lady, Hi looks like a middle aged. 149 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 6: That's what I am. 150 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 2: Hi, Well, what are you a spy? 151 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 3: I know? 152 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: Is it all right if I recording? 153 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 9: Of course, I told you just don't upload my brain 154 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 9: to the mothership. 155 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 2: So I really thank you for talking to me. 156 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 10: Yeah, you know what, You're welcome. 157 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 2: Lane had always been small, and she seemed even smaller now, 158 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 2: but not fragile. She still looks like she could live 159 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 2: in the woods. 160 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 9: If you told me that we would get somewhere anywhere 161 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:42,839 Speaker 9: with Anna's case, let alone that it would be right 162 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 9: or fucking strong, I would have told you were crazy. 163 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well you know it was a Willow's letter. Yeah, 164 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:53,959 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. 165 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 10: I know, I know, honey, hair, let's let's have a sleep. 166 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 1: She had on her porch. She had bourbon, a. 167 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:03,719 Speaker 8: Little of this. 168 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, why not? 169 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: Thank you? 170 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 2: I got the feeling Laney might have already had a few. 171 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 10: I need to tell you something, right. I was angry 172 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:20,839 Speaker 10: with you for so long, you. 173 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: Know that, and here it comes. 174 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 2: It's kind of a long story, but I had seen 175 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 2: Willow a few weeks earlier. We ran into each other 176 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 2: at a party in Santa Cruz. 177 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:33,079 Speaker 1: My road tripe with Willow was doomed from the starts. 178 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:35,439 Speaker 2: And I wasn't there for So why was I not there? 179 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 2: You were already back east, But actually I guess you 180 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:40,199 Speaker 2: would have been home for the summer. Chris had already 181 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 2: transferred to a boarding school in Boston. One thing leads 182 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 2: to another, and we find ourselves in this room at 183 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 2: this party making out. 184 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 5: But that was not the first time my friend. 185 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 9: Was it. 186 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 2: No, she was my first kids, But context is everything. 187 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 2: That first time we were nine, and it was a 188 00:09:57,880 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 2: game of truth or dare. 189 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:02,559 Speaker 1: Then she stops kissing me and tells me she can't. 190 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: I can't do this. She's seen someone brutal. 191 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm like, I'm all hurt and embarrassed, and 192 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 2: because here we've finally taken this leap from friends to 193 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 2: oh yeah, maybe we're going to date and then just boom, 194 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 2: like immediately shut down. Of course there's someone else. This 195 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 2: was the first time I heard about mister Wrong. But 196 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 2: a few weeks later, Willow called me from the Oakland airport. 197 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 1: She wanted me to pick her up. 198 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 2: She was supposed to be getting on a flight to 199 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 2: some kind of summer camp or retreat. 200 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: I wasn't totally clear, but she didn't want to go. 201 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: She wanted us to hit the road. She wanted to 202 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: see if we can be together. 203 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 2: I was free, and I did want to see if 204 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 2: we could be together. There was a big part of 205 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 2: me that had been in love with Willow from the 206 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 2: moment I met her. 207 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: So I drove to Oakland. 208 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 9: There were years, years right where I could not say 209 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 9: your name. 210 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 10: I wouldn't you know when you picked up Willow that summer. Yeah, 211 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 10: and you guys just took off your van. 212 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I thought, I you know, I thought 213 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: it was fine. 214 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 2: Really, because she she called me, asked me to come 215 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 2: pick her up because she didn't want to go to 216 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 2: the camp a camp, you know that thing in Montana 217 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 2: wherever she was. 218 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 10: Going camp you mean, like a like a summer camp. Yeah, 219 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 10: it was rehab. 220 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: Writer, I should have known. 221 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:30,439 Speaker 9: Oh god, yeah, we we found her. 222 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 10: Willa had shed bottles. She had all these pills, just 223 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:37,319 Speaker 10: a whole bunch of pills. I mean Charlie. You remember Charlie, Yeah, 224 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 10: kind of kind. 225 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 2: I actually didn't think I ever met Charlie, but I 226 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 2: knew that was Laney's boyfriend for a couple of years, 227 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 2: a pseudo stepdad to Willow. 228 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 10: She wasn't going to school, wasn't coming home. 229 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 9: So Charlie had found the place, a place for her 230 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 9: to you know, get treatment. 231 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 10: We'd already paid for it. 232 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 1: It was like I had no idea. 233 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 10: Really, you had no idea. 234 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 2: I should have known within minutes of making Willow up 235 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:03,959 Speaker 2: that she was lying that she didn't want some soul 236 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 2: searching road trip. This was not a romantic getaway. She 237 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:13,959 Speaker 2: was all distracted and emotional and manic totally. 238 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 1: You know. 239 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 2: She just wanted to listen to music and find places 240 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 2: to camp where no one was around, smoked cigarettes, and 241 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 2: she just like burst into tears. 242 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 6: Suddenly. 243 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 2: We spent a week driving north up into Humboldt, and 244 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 2: despite what she'd insinuated over the phone, everything was strictly platonic. 245 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 2: I could tell she was going through something, but I 246 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 2: didn't want to pry. But I also was confused and 247 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 2: had a lot of my own feelings. It wasn't until 248 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 2: about five days into the trip that she finally told 249 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 2: me what was going on. 250 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 5: She was pregnant. 251 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 10: For three weeks, I didn't know where my daughter was. 252 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 5: Didn't tell me. 253 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 9: I hope you know now that you're a father, you 254 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 9: understand I can't, but just let me just get this 255 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 9: out right, or please. For three weeks I didn't know 256 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 9: where she was Moonbean. 257 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 10: I thought I had lost her. It was Anna all 258 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 10: over again. 259 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 9: And she finally called when you left her in San 260 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 9: Francisco and she never went over that writer by the way, 261 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:09,680 Speaker 9: I'm I'm. 262 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 10: Not gonna lie. 263 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 9: That's a wound that did not heal. I had to 264 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:15,559 Speaker 9: drive down to the city and she was a mess. 265 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 9: She was crushed. 266 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 2: This was tricky because in my mind I hadn't left 267 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 2: Willow in San Francisco. In fact, I wanted to stay 268 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 2: at first, but Willow had decided to have an abortion, 269 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 2: and she told me that the father, mister Wrong, was 270 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:32,839 Speaker 2: coming to help her. But I didn't want to sit 271 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 2: here and get into that with Laney for two reasons. One, 272 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 2: I thought there was a good chance Willow had lied 273 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 2: to her mom that she told Laney I was the father, 274 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 2: And two I thought that was a lie not worth correcting. 275 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 2: Because I had a bad feeling about mister Wrong. Did 276 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 2: you ever tell you who it was? 277 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,199 Speaker 5: No, no clue, Right, that's the thing. 278 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 2: She just told me that she shouldn't be with this guy, 279 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 2: And honestly I had to start like maybe it was 280 00:13:59,280 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 2: her mom's boy. 281 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,440 Speaker 5: Holy shit, Charlie, Seriously, Yes. 282 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:06,560 Speaker 2: I know. It's incredibly fucked up. Yeah, why else wouldn't 283 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 2: she tell me who it was? Would tell you, would 284 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:09,719 Speaker 2: tell any of us. 285 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 5: Okay, I get that you didn't want to upset Laney. 286 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 2: But why does any of this matter? Yeah? 287 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 6: What does this have to do with Annett? 288 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 2: Well, because of what lady showed me in the house. 289 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 2: Did you know that I wrote a short story about 290 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 2: that road trip with Willow? 291 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 5: Was it called friend Zone? Don read sixty six? 292 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 2: It was the first story I published. I fictionalized a lot, 293 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 2: the characters were older, and I gave the girl a 294 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 2: different name, Opal, but the plot was the same. A 295 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 2: man and a woman go on a road trip to 296 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 2: run away and give being together a shot. Then she 297 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 2: reveals she's pregnant with her ex boyfriend's child. I went 298 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 2: back over the story for any clues to who mister 299 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 2: Wrong was. So in the story, I'm trying to get 300 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 2: her to tell me who the father is. And this 301 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 2: is what I wrote. She wasn't going to say. I 302 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 2: wanted to scream, I wanted to leave. I wanted to 303 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 2: kiss her. 304 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 5: Oof right, strong, more like writer weak. 305 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 2: I hated him whoever he was. With nothing to go on, 306 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 2: he grew monstrous and perfect in my mind. 307 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 5: Oh no, that is a good line. Friend. 308 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 2: He was rich, he was cool, he was taller than me, older, 309 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 2: listened to better music. None of that might be true, 310 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 2: but I knew one thing. He made her happy at 311 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 2: one time. He made opal happy, older, richer, taller, Right, 312 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 2: But see that's me being insecure and paranoid, right, So 313 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 2: like that's just speculation. In real life, I dropped Willow 314 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,119 Speaker 2: off at a hotel near a planned parenthood and drove. 315 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: Off confused and sad. 316 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 2: In the story, the narrator turns back around, he picks 317 00:15:57,400 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 2: her up, and they decide to stay together. 318 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 1: I left it ambiguous if they kept the child or not. 319 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 2: Anyway, So here I was on the porch with Lane, 320 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 2: who's like still in mourning. 321 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 5: This woman has lost two daughters, yeah right. 322 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 2: And all I can do is sort of lamely defend 323 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 2: the fact that I didn't abandon her pregnant daughter to 324 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 2: get an abortion by herself. 325 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 5: Yeah. 326 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 2: I really didn't want to leave her. 327 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: That was not my intention. I mean, we thought about it. 328 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: I wanted to stay. 329 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 10: Okay, all right. 330 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 2: I could tell Lane didn't believe me, and I couldn't 331 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 2: blame her, because no matter how I described it, no 332 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 2: matter how I spun it, I did leave Willow, and 333 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 2: I honestly can't remember how it went down exactly. I 334 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 2: remember crying, I remember her crying, and I know she 335 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 2: told me to go. But why did I listen? Was 336 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 2: it because I was respecting her wishes? Or was I 337 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 2: hurt and pissed off? Was I jealous of mister Wrong? 338 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 2: Was I mad that she wouldn't tell me who he was? 339 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 2: Was I mad that she didn't want to make out 340 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 2: with me? Yes, I think yes to all of those things. 341 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 1: Is it better if I leave? 342 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 10: I know, I need to show you what I have. 343 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 10: It's too important. 344 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:28,439 Speaker 2: But we stayed on the porch. Laney smoked, she poured 345 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 2: more whiskey. Eventually she began to talk about the tender hearts. 346 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 10: Oh yeah, man, we were going to change the world. 347 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 10: It was radical. It was a radical change. And with 348 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:41,679 Speaker 10: the kids. We thought it was perfect. Let the woods 349 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:43,919 Speaker 10: be schooled, a nature, you know, be their teacher. 350 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 2: But the reality was the kids, the Gramets got older. 351 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 9: God damn Liam was out of hand, what a snot? 352 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:53,400 Speaker 9: And him and his mom left when he was. 353 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:57,360 Speaker 10: Like nine or ten. And then Jones's son started going 354 00:17:57,440 --> 00:17:58,399 Speaker 10: to Twin Hills. 355 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:00,679 Speaker 2: Before they knew it, Laney and and the other moms 356 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 2: were driving to three different schools. 357 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 9: Suddenly our like free flowing, groovy thing became about who 358 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 9: was picking up whose kid, who had the keys to 359 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 9: who's car? 360 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 10: And god, my girls hated it, and I hated it. 361 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 9: She wanted diet coke and Cheetos, she wanted pom poms 362 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 9: and you know the fucking Sandie Hawking's dance. Oh God, 363 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 9: there's a girl in town, Bailey Bam bam whatever. And 364 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 9: she would be dropped off by her mom and she 365 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 9: would pull up in the front of the school and 366 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 9: she had this like white jeep, you know, and the 367 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 9: blonde hair and on the clothes. And Anna turns to 368 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 9: me one day and she says, why can't we be 369 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 9: like that? And I was like, honey, stardust, love of 370 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 9: my life. 371 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:51,680 Speaker 10: That is death, that is hell. 372 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 9: You want to live like that. You gotta take the 373 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,120 Speaker 9: whole thing. You're gonna You're gonna have a job you hate. 374 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 10: You're gonna have some man telling you what to do, 375 00:18:57,600 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 10: breathing down your neck. 376 00:18:58,720 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 1: Lady saw tender hearts as a rect. 377 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,920 Speaker 9: I was protecting them, my girls. They had no idea 378 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 9: how much I was protecting them. I was coming from well, 379 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 9: I'm gonna tell you, I don't care. 380 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 10: I was raped when I was fourteen. 381 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 9: Oh god, yeah, by my dad's best friend, Davis Cooper. 382 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 10: Davis, I'm so sorry. 383 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 5: That's so awful. 384 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 9: And for my parents, for Cooper, there was something normal 385 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 9: about it, you know, it was like expected first week 386 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:35,119 Speaker 9: of summer. 387 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 10: Landy's fourteen. Laney has a new bathing suit. So sure 388 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 10: Cooper couldn't help himself. I'm fucking believable. 389 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 4: Cool. 390 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:47,159 Speaker 9: You know what my dad did, He went and he 391 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 9: had a talk with him. My mom's a mess, My 392 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 9: brother Jacob doesn't know what the hell is going on. 393 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 9: My dad goes to Cooper. 394 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 10: The men had their talk and everything's fine, just right 395 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 10: back to the rug. They have their talk. Cooper comes 396 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:16,680 Speaker 10: to dinner the next week. Fuck you want to smoke? 397 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 9: Yeah, thank you? 398 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 10: You gotta quit this shit, writer, I stopped. I made 399 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 10: it almost five years of spring. You wait till you 400 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 10: have a teenager? What do you have a girl son? 401 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 10: Oh my god, thank god? 402 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 2: You better. 403 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 10: Thank god. Every day you take him to the woods, 404 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 10: you give them treat time. 405 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 5: Didn't Actually I try. 406 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 2: Anna turning away from the tender hearts wasn't just a 407 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 2: lifestyle choice or a philosophical betrayal. It brought real consequences. 408 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 9: She goes off for the all American life and wanted 409 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,920 Speaker 9: to get her It got her shitty friends, the mall girls. 410 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 9: I called them, a boyfriend who thinks he owns her, 411 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 9: and some other fucking guy she won't say who it is, 412 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 9: and her notes was constantly bugging her. 413 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 1: Okay, so this is the stalker. 414 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 2: At first, Anna complained about a guy who wouldn't leave 415 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:18,879 Speaker 2: her alone, but then things changed all of a sudden. 416 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,880 Speaker 10: She's missing school, late nights, taking the car out. 417 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 2: He wore down. 418 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 10: That's not of a bitch, wore down. 419 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:25,399 Speaker 1: And she never said who it was. 420 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 10: No, because by then you know she lost her tender heart. 421 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 10: She barely talked to me anymore. 422 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 5: Well, hold up, is this where you tell me Anna's 423 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 5: stalker was Charlie. 424 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:41,439 Speaker 2: No, no, because Charlie and Laney didn't meet until nineteen 425 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:45,120 Speaker 2: ninety seven, and he was stationed overseas in ninety five. 426 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 2: But you're on the right track. Laney was convinced that 427 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 2: she had evidence that could solve Anna's case, but Maldonado 428 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 2: and his team wouldn't listen to her. 429 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 9: The pull it fucking bullets out of trees, Jason Parking tickets, 430 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:00,440 Speaker 9: going after oh Rick. 431 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 10: They destroyed that man, They destroyed him. You lose your daughter, 432 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 10: you know. 433 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,160 Speaker 9: But if you care about that, you want to actually 434 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,159 Speaker 9: do the work, well, then I'm a crazy lady, right, 435 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 9: I'm hysterical. Miss miss calmed down. 436 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 10: You know what that means. 437 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,119 Speaker 9: You know, know your place, Keep your mouth shut, Let 438 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 9: the men work, Let the men do their thing. 439 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 5: Cooper comes to dinner next week. 440 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 10: Goddamn, look at you. 441 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:26,880 Speaker 2: That's right. 442 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 10: You listen. You're open rider. Okay, let's hit aside. 443 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 8: Yeah. 444 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 5: Sure. 445 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 2: Walking in, though I wished we'd stayed outside, I couldn't 446 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 2: see the floor close. Everywhere she had rows of paper bags, 447 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 2: brown paper bags that looked like they were filled with rocks, 448 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:55,120 Speaker 2: and there was insulation rolls and strips of pink wall 449 00:22:55,240 --> 00:23:03,399 Speaker 2: insulation piled around. You need to go through stuff, blankets, baskets, 450 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 2: and figurines. She had a huge collection of Kachina dolls, 451 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:11,640 Speaker 2: traditional hopie figurines. I didn't know where to walk, where 452 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 2: I could walk, so I focused on those. 453 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: Oh these are great. 454 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 10: Oh yeah, oh my little warriors. Yeah, let's let's go 455 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 10: to the kitchen. About these three boxes here, Wow, it's 456 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 10: my Anna collection. 457 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 2: One box was full of early childhood stuff, her first. 458 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 10: Little hair cutting. 459 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 9: Yeah, look at this dress she made, not good, purple 460 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 9: and white, my stardust child will it was my moonbeam. 461 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 10: But Anna was all stardust. 462 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 2: It was a lot of homemade trinkets. There was a 463 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 2: dream catcher. Then there was a box of stuff from 464 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 2: when she was older. 465 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 10: Yeah, this is the makeup box she made me by her. 466 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 4: Yeah. 467 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,879 Speaker 2: It was a collection of books Ed Ground, Poe, The 468 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 2: Dow of Pooh, The Secret Language of Birdays It. Yes, 469 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 2: And there was a copy of Stephen King's It. It 470 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 2: was the same edition I remembered reading, and I. 471 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 10: Liked all that gothic stuff. But here, this is this 472 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 10: is the real stuff. 473 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:14,919 Speaker 2: Here she pulled out big folded papers and leather notebooks. 474 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 10: So, okay, the first thing. The most important thing is 475 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 10: the fire. Right Willow's rage. 476 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 2: Laney unfolded a map of Sonoma County. 477 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 9: So when Anna didn't come home the next morning, I 478 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,120 Speaker 9: knew that we were dealing with vindictive forces. 479 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 2: She also had a page of tracing paper with lines 480 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 2: and symbols, and I started to get worried. 481 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 10: Yeah, these are here, take up the hand this candle. 482 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: I realized too late. I had backed myself into a corner. 483 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:52,719 Speaker 10: This is the constellation Pleiades. You know you're stars, No Pleiades, 484 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 10: the Seven Sisters. 485 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 8: Right, yes, so that's key. 486 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 2: Okay, Now look at this. Do you see this? 487 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 8: Look at this? 488 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,400 Speaker 1: Oh you know, they line. 489 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:11,680 Speaker 10: Up, they light up exactly. Look burn here, no, burn here, 490 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 10: burn here. 491 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,719 Speaker 9: Willow started that fire, but there were there were spirit 492 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 9: guiding it, spirit stopping it. 493 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 2: I knew that if I said the wrong thing, I'd 494 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 2: be one more person telling Laney she was crazy and hysterical. 495 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:29,120 Speaker 10: Okay, okay, but the real breakthrough of you okay later. 496 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 10: Now this is this is my journal. 497 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 5: Here. 498 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 9: I tracked every session I had with mary Anne. 499 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: Oh, who's Who's mary Anne. 500 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 9: Marianne was the medium I met in two thousand and two. 501 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 9: By the way, I met her on October twenty third, 502 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 9: at two thousand and two, yeah, Anna's birthday. 503 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 10: I found her in Monterey. She was working with the 504 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 10: Piscali group. She was trained by Piscali himself. 505 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: Okay, lady, I don't I'm sorry. I don't want to. 506 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 1: I don't mean to cut you off. 507 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 8: Now. 508 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:56,399 Speaker 2: You need to be open, right, Oh, I need you 509 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:56,879 Speaker 2: to look at this. 510 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 1: You have to be open. But I'm trying to be 511 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:03,160 Speaker 1: I just want I think I should just be very clear. 512 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:07,400 Speaker 1: I'm an atheist and i'm, you know, diehard skeptic. 513 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 10: You know you don't believe me. 514 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 1: I believe that you. I don't doubt that you had 515 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 1: an experience. 516 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 10: I had a series of experiences, right, But I you know. 517 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 1: I'm looking. I'm trying to find some evidence that this is. 518 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 1: I don't know what I can really do with this. 519 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,640 Speaker 2: It's not like I tried to get her attention back 520 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 2: to the first couple of boxes. 521 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:31,439 Speaker 1: I'm thinking more like, do you have any journals or letters? 522 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: If she box right here? Okay, yeah, so the books. 523 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:39,359 Speaker 4: And what is this? 524 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 1: Is this what I was flipping through the copy of it? 525 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 1: Is this Anna's handwriting? 526 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 5: Who? 527 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 1: Well, who gave her this? 528 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 5: Book. 529 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 2: I don't know, because I have a book from Willow 530 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,120 Speaker 2: and I swear it's it's the exact same camera handwriting. 531 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,119 Speaker 2: There was a note in the margin of one page 532 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 2: lost cause mister wrong. I remember the book in evidence 533 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 2: at the Sheriff's department too, The Way of the Peaceful Warrior? 534 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 1: Did it have notes in it? Book from It's I 535 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:12,400 Speaker 1: have it back in my hotel or if I could, 536 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 1: can I keep this? 537 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:14,880 Speaker 10: That was anas? 538 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 5: Okay? 539 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 2: Right? 540 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 1: Okause Willow? Do you know who was giving her books? 541 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 6: Like? 542 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,640 Speaker 10: Who giv writer friends? Teachers? 543 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 2: Laney said it so casually, but I suddenly had a 544 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 2: very strong sinking feeling a teacher. Yeah, because Willow gave 545 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 2: me a book, and uh, it was from the guy 546 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 2: that she was seeing in uh in ninety eight, the 547 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 2: guy that she called mister wrong. 548 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:47,880 Speaker 1: Mister wrong. Yeah, he was. I don't know, I don't 549 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: know who he was, but he was. He was the father. 550 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 1: Who's father, you know, baby Willow's baby Lane what. 551 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 2: Laney never knew Willow was pregnant, never knew she had 552 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:12,200 Speaker 2: an abortion. She was understandably upset. She asked me to leave. 553 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,880 Speaker 1: Oh my god, it was awful. I called my wife 554 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 1: after I drove away. 555 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,119 Speaker 8: Well, I mean it sounds like she's still grieving. 556 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 2: Yes, I know, but I mean, how was I supposed 557 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 2: to know that she didn't know this? 558 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 1: There was no way I could know that. 559 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 8: I don't think I knew the whole story I told 560 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 8: you about Willow. Maybe, but isn't this podcast about her sister? 561 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 2: Yes, it is. 562 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 8: Right. I didn't think you're gonna be spending all your 563 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 8: time talking about an next girlfriend. 564 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 2: She's she's a friend. It was just like this one 565 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,719 Speaker 2: you know, this one moment when we're teenagers. 566 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 8: Right, who you were in love with and who you 567 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 8: what drove to get an abortion. 568 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: That's not what this is about. 569 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 8: It's kind of becoming about that. 570 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, look, I gotta I gotta get to 571 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 1: the hotel. I'm still kind of. 572 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 2: Reeling right now. 573 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 1: So can I just call you later? 574 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 8: Yeah? 575 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 1: I went to the hotel. 576 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 2: I wasn't sure if I should stay in Denver and 577 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 2: try and call Laney the next day or what. 578 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 1: I felt horrible here. 579 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 2: Lanny thought I was coming to help her, that I 580 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 2: was somebody was finally going to take her seriously and 581 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 2: maybe help give her answers. 582 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 1: Instead, I brought more doubt, more. 583 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 2: Questions, maybe even made her feel betrayed by her other daughter. 584 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,479 Speaker 5: Hold on, you think, mister wrong. The guy who got 585 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 5: Willow pregnant and Anna's killer are the same person. 586 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 2: I called Chris and Monica to go over things exactly 587 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 2: because of a note in a book. No, it's more 588 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 2: than that, it's more. 589 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 1: It all fits. 590 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 2: Just stay with me here, Okay, Anna has a stalker. 591 00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 1: She complains to her mom, but. 592 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 2: Then at some point Anna stops complaining about him and 593 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 2: she actually starts dating him, and. 594 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 6: She makes the tape for him. But she doesn't say 595 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 6: his name on the tape. 596 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 2: Because it's a secret relationship. She can't tell anyone, her mom, 597 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 2: her sister, Mick, anyone. 598 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 6: She doesn't want anybody to know who this guy is. 599 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,959 Speaker 2: There's something wrong or inappropriate, maybe illegal about their affair, 600 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 2: and they have a plan, Operation van go And from 601 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 2: the tape we know he's scared of what society thinks 602 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 2: of him. He's told her age doesn't matter. 603 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 1: There's also this moment. 604 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 4: Van Goes suffered from severe emotional and psychological problems and 605 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 4: died in France at the age of thirty seven. Thirty seven. 606 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 2: That makes me think that he was thirty seven or 607 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 2: I don't like about to turn thirty seven, and maybe 608 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 2: he's married, maybe he would lose his job, maybe he's 609 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 2: a teacher. Halloween night, Anna and Mick have their fight. 610 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 2: The mean girls are mean, and Anna makes a decision 611 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 2: it's time for Operation man Go. 612 00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 6: But she still pages Mick. 613 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know about that. 614 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 2: Maybe she's torn, should should get back together with Mick 615 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 2: or run away. 616 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 1: With this other guy. 617 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 2: Maybe she's hedging her bets because the guy might not 618 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 2: go through with Operation van Go. Either way, Yes, she 619 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 2: pages Mick, but then she changes her mind and she. 620 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 6: Meets up with this other guy. 621 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 12: He picks her up before Mike gets to the payphone, 622 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 12: or they meet somewhere else. 623 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 2: Entirely, and maybe they start Operation van Go. Maybe he 624 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 2: helps her get to the airport to fly away somewhere. 625 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 2: Or they fight and she threatens to tell everyone about 626 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 2: their affair. 627 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 5: Which would ruin his life. 628 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 6: Maybe he kills her to cover up the affair. 629 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 2: He hides her body, he drives Tony down to the 630 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 2: celty lot. Makes it plausible that Anna just ran away. 631 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 2: Now all that is pretty much what I was thinking 632 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 2: anyway when I was focused on Mick. 633 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 5: But here's what's new. 634 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 2: Three years later, nineteen ninety eight, the guy got away 635 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 2: with it. Anna's gone, The case is cold. Life has 636 00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 2: moved on for everyone. 637 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 5: But he's still in he is. 638 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's still potentially in the lady's life. He could 639 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 2: be a friend of the family. 640 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 5: He's still teaching. 641 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 2: And lo and behold, here comes Willow, a new young 642 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 2: Trander girl. This is a grass, I know, but it's 643 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 2: a pattern, right. This guy's got a thing for grooming 644 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 2: young girls. What are the chances that he would do 645 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 2: it more than once? 646 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:20,520 Speaker 9: Hi? 647 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 2: I guess now. It's nineteen ninety eight and Willow, like 648 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 2: her sister, is in a secret relationship. And Willow can't 649 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 2: tell anyone, not her mom, not us. 650 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 6: Why not the same reasons Anna didn't tell anyone. He's older, he's. 651 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 2: Inappropriate, he's maybe still a teacher, still married. 652 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 5: Jesus. Do you remember Jacob Wyman? No, the English teacher. 653 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 5: I never had him, but there were kids who loved 654 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 5: this guy. 655 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 2: He was one of those dudes that was like one 656 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 2: of the kids to call him by his first name, 657 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 2: not mister Wyman, but Jacob. 658 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 4: Oh. 659 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 2: Was he the one that took kids camping? 660 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 5: Yes, exactly, exactly the senior trip. Jacob's senior trip. 661 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 6: Okay, he was a teacher at Annelie. Did he ever 662 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 6: come up? No? But hold on, I'm going to search 663 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 6: the archives. 664 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 2: Monica still had access to the back articles of the 665 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 2: Press Democrat. 666 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 6: Oh there's a lot. I mean these are boring mentions, assemblies, 667 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 6: football games, direct school play one year. Oh, okay, there's 668 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 6: an article about Harry Potter. He's quoted. 669 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 1: It was two thousand and one. 670 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 2: Remember there was a backlash to Harry Potter that the 671 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 2: books were promoting witchcraft. 672 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 6: We don't give kids enough credits. 673 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 12: As Jacob Wyman, an English teacher at Annelie High School, 674 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 12: I'd rather kids explore things dark or. 675 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 6: Risky things in fiction. I encourage them to read whatever 676 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 6: they enjoy, horror, crime, any genre. 677 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, Anna had a copy of Stephen King's Hit. 678 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 6: His stance, though, isn't without controversy. 679 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 12: Wyman landed in hot water last semester when several parents 680 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 12: noticed he had included the novel Damage by Josephine Hart 681 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 12: on his fall reading list. 682 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 6: I could see their concerns and said he ended up 683 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 6: dropping Damage from his syllabus. 684 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 2: I don't know what is this book? 685 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 5: Damage? 686 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:13,320 Speaker 12: Yes, Damage by Josephine Hart is a psychological thriller centered 687 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:17,840 Speaker 12: on a respectable British politician, doctor Stephen Fleming, whose life 688 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,320 Speaker 12: spirals when he becomes obsessively and destructively involved with his 689 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 12: son's fiance Anna. 690 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 2: Are you kidding me? The character's name is Anna Forbidden Desire, 691 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:33,640 Speaker 2: secret affair, an older man. 692 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 1: And a younger woman. 693 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 8: I haven't read it. 694 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,280 Speaker 1: I haven't read this, but it sounded familiar. 695 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,359 Speaker 2: I thought maybe because it was a bestseller, because there 696 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 2: was a movie made, But actually it was familiar for 697 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:46,280 Speaker 2: another reason. 698 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:47,919 Speaker 1: What's this other note? 699 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:48,120 Speaker 6: Here? 700 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 2: Weeks ago, I had been requesting items one by one 701 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,680 Speaker 2: from the evidence catalog at the Sheriff's Department damage heart 702 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 2: spelled ha rt. 703 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 5: There might be a note that the book is damaged 704 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,440 Speaker 5: or could be a type damaged art. 705 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:07,479 Speaker 1: I needed to see that book. 706 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,400 Speaker 2: That night in Denver, I could barely sleep. This felt 707 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 2: like enough to bring to Greer and Lachlan. They could 708 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 2: open up the evidence locker and see for themselves. I 709 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,240 Speaker 2: compiled my clips so I could call the Sheriff's department 710 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,839 Speaker 2: in the morning, But when I woke up, I got 711 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:31,239 Speaker 2: a call. 712 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 1: From my brother, Hey, what's going on? 713 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:33,279 Speaker 2: Hey? 714 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 8: Uh? 715 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:35,359 Speaker 2: So the Sheriff's department is here. 716 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 1: He was calling from my parents' house. 717 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:37,239 Speaker 8: What. 718 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, they have a warrant and they're searching the house. 719 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,320 Speaker 1: They're going through all the closets and outside. 720 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 2: It's the whole. 721 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:46,920 Speaker 6: What are they what are they looking for? 722 00:35:47,640 --> 00:36:13,200 Speaker 2: Guns? 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