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Speaker 1: I'm Alec Baldwin and you're listening to Hear the Thing

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Speaker 1: from My Heart Radio. My guests today are actors from

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Speaker 1: two very different backgrounds. David Arquette was born into a

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Speaker 1: family of entertainers. His four siblings became actors. His mother

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Speaker 1: and father were actors. His grandfather, Cliff Arquette, was a

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Speaker 1: famous comedian. Even his great grandparents were vaudeville performers. Acting

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Speaker 1: is in his blood, but he's also a die hard

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Speaker 1: fan of wrestling, which is the subject of his new

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Speaker 1: aptly titled documentary You Can't Kill David Arquette. But first,

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Speaker 1: I'm talking with actor Eddie Marsan during the pandemic I

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Speaker 1: binged the Showtime series Ray Donovan. Marsan plays Ray's brother Terry,

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Speaker 1: a former boxer with Parkinson's disease. Within a terrific cast

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Speaker 1: that stars Liev Schreiber and John Voyd, Eddie Marson stands

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Speaker 1: out beautifully. These days, Marsam is an in demand actor

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Speaker 1: who has worked with the likes of Scorsese, Gonzalez Inobtu

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Speaker 1: and Mike Lee. But growing up in working class London,

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Speaker 1: becoming an actor was a long shot. Even now, despite

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Speaker 1: a long successful career. He struggles with typecasting in the UK.

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Speaker 1: When I spend time in America, I think it's race

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Speaker 1: and class, and I think it's the same in the UK,

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Speaker 1: probably more race in the US. Idriss is a friend

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Speaker 1: of mine and he had to come over to the

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Speaker 1: US and do the Wire to reinvent himself. And I

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Speaker 1: needed to come over to do Ray Donovan to kind

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Speaker 1: of get diversity in my career. Even now in the UK,

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Speaker 1: I still struggle to get diversity. They still defined me

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Speaker 1: by class. I had a really interesting conversation with Wendell Pierce,

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Speaker 1: is a really good friend of mine. He was asking

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Speaker 1: me what I was doing over and doing Ray Donovan,

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Speaker 1: and I said, well, when do I I never wanted

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Speaker 1: to be defined as a work class actor, and he said,

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Speaker 1: that's very interesting. Eddie said, because as a black African

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Speaker 1: American actor, I couldn't help but be defined because of

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Speaker 1: the color of my skin. He said, And what my

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Speaker 1: advice to you, Eddie is, don't seek not to be

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Speaker 1: defined as a working class actor. Seek to change their

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Speaker 1: definition of what it means to be a working class actor.

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Speaker 1: And that suddenly opened my mind because I was always

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Speaker 1: because writers write working class actors, they make because working

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Speaker 1: class blue color people speak a colloquial language, they make

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Speaker 1: them sound dumb. And what was great about Ray Donovan

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Speaker 1: They were inarticulate characters, but they were very articulate in

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Speaker 1: a in a weird way. Terry was a great character

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Speaker 1: because really he was the mother of the family. He

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Speaker 1: John Boyd even though he's abut so as an access Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's what it is. Yeah, it is a class system

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Speaker 1: in the UK and and but the US has much

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Speaker 1: more much still still, how do they find you to

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Speaker 1: do the Raynavent? Sure? What were you doing that you

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Speaker 1: thought spark their interest in here? I think Leev put

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Speaker 1: the call out to see if I could audition, and

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Speaker 1: I auditioned for that. And I love boxing anyway. I

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Speaker 1: used to dance when I was younger, so I physically

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Speaker 1: quite capable. You're dancing, you like boxing, and you were

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Speaker 1: born where bethnal Green. You're the James Cagney of bethnal

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Speaker 1: and the beginning of two thousand four I did two movies.

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Speaker 1: I did Vera Drake for Mike Lee and I did

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Speaker 1: both of those movies got Oscar attention. I didn't get

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Speaker 1: was an American actor who said to me, Eddie, you're

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Speaker 1: up in bethnal Green, Hoskins was a big When Hoskins

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Speaker 1: He literally sounded like him, and that was a big

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Speaker 1: character actors who became diverse, like John Hurt in A

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Speaker 1: Naked Civil Servant where he played Quent and Crisp, this

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Speaker 1: gay man in the fourties. And even as a child,

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Speaker 1: I was absolutely fascinated by actors, but I had no

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Speaker 1: school for me until when well, I served an apprenticeship

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Speaker 1: And I went on this movie set and I saw

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Speaker 1: I was in a pantomime in a in a place

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Speaker 1: Eddie Marsen. You had a benefactor? I did, I did.

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Speaker 1: I had an Eastern bookmaker called Mr Bennett. Yeah, who

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Speaker 1: said to me, what do you really want to do?

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Speaker 1: one point or another. I just love any story about

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Speaker 1: mentorship and people who have benefactors, someone who helps you,

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Speaker 1: owe you everything. I said, I owe you my career,

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Speaker 1: my happiness, my childhood, the mortgage, the debt, the stress. Everything.

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Speaker 1: Actor Eddie Marsan. Another actor who outgrew typecasting is John Deturo.

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Speaker 1: He says, despite his success, there was a moment not

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Speaker 1: long ago when he considered a career change. I had

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Speaker 1: said what you do is there's a value to what

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Speaker 1: And he talked me out of it. Here more of

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Speaker 1: my conversation with John Tuturo at Here's the Thing dot Org.

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Speaker 1: After the Break, Eddie Marsan talks about playing Terry in

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Speaker 1: the Showtime series Ray Donovan. I'm Alec Baldwin and you

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Speaker 1: were listening to Here's the Thing. The Showtime series Ray

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Speaker 1: Donovan is heavy. It's about a troubled family living with

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Speaker 1: the legacy of sexual abuse, and Eddie Marsan worked hard

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Speaker 1: to realistically portray the progression of his characters Parkinson's disease.

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Speaker 1: It got very dark at times. There was a darkness

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Speaker 1: in the piece because the thing about Ray Donovan is

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Speaker 1: what people didn't realize is it's Trojan Horse television. You

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Speaker 1: kind of think it's going to be about Hollywood and

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Speaker 1: and actually it's about three Irish brothers who were sexually

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Speaker 1: distrust referendums because if a politician lies, you can vote

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Speaker 1: them out with a referendum. They lie and it's done.

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Speaker 1: There is a populist xenophobia that has been prominent in

429
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Speaker 1: America with Trump and prominent in Britain with Brexit. Very similar.

430
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Speaker 1: It's very Any of your kids show any inclination. My

431
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 1: twelve year old son just did a movie. Um, yeah,

432
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Speaker 1: they're doing a movie about Roll Dahl and he plays

433
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Speaker 1: a young boy in roll those writing room who kind

434
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Speaker 1: of inspires him to write. And my daughter at sixteen,

435
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,119
Speaker 1: she's just on a movie. But they spent their lives

436
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Speaker 1: on film sets. They have a very healthy attitude. You

437
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 1: didn't shield them from that. They were there, I mean

438
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 1: because their mum's a makeup artists. I mean, my wife

439
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 1: was much more successful than I was when we got married.

440
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 1: I always say I married her for a money and

441
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 1: so she was really so I would take my kids

442
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Speaker 1: to go and see mommy and they would go into

443
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Speaker 1: the makeup room and and on Ray Donovan, they used

444
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:51,920
Speaker 1: to come and the crew used to give him a

445
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Speaker 1: radio mike, and they used to run around and give

446
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 1: everybody coffees and things. So they've got a very healthy

447
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Speaker 1: attitude towards it. You have a bunch of projects and

448
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:02,400
Speaker 1: assuming that you're in a pipeline that there's a maybe

449
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 1: a COVID clouded pipeline. Yeah, I've got a film coming

450
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 1: out with Sean Penn directed flag Day. Yeah, flag Day. Yeah.

451
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Speaker 1: What kind of care are you play? I play an

452
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Speaker 1: insurance guy. Come at the end, I got a big

453
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Speaker 1: speech at the end. While it was a big speech,

454
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Speaker 1: I don't know if it's going to be a big

455
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 1: speech by the time the film comes out, but I

456
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 1: come out in the end, and what kind of the

457
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 1: piece as a drama about a young girl and a

458
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 1: dysfunctional relationship with her father in the seventies, and he

459
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 1: kind of comes in and out of her life and

460
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 1: Sean plays the father, his daughter plays the girl. She's

461
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Speaker 1: fantastic in it. It's a it's a great movie. What

462
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Speaker 1: was he like, what did he have to offer you

463
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Speaker 1: as a director? Well, first work with him in a

464
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Speaker 1: movie called The Professor and Madman in Dublin about four

465
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Speaker 1: years ago, and what I found with Sean. I thought

466
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Speaker 1: Sean was very similar to Spielberg in a strange way,

467
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Speaker 1: because what what Spielberg does is Spielberg dances with a camera.

468
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Speaker 1: You know, he kind of visually complements what you're doing.

469
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Speaker 1: And Sewn as an actor who's always aware of of

470
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Speaker 1: every moment, every note, every bat and when you were

471
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Speaker 1: being directed by him, you knew you were with somebody

472
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Speaker 1: who was whether where the camera was an instrument that

473
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Speaker 1: was complimenting you, and he was fantastic directing it. So

474
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Speaker 1: the chasm between the leading man and the character man

475
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Speaker 1: who is as well defined, And I always wonder to

476
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Speaker 1: say to somebody like you, who's as gifted as you are,

477
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Speaker 1: and you're truly a gifted actor, if I said to you,

478
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Speaker 1: you're gonna make seven eight figure salaries a year and

479
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Speaker 1: you'll never get to play those juicy roles where you're

480
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Speaker 1: going to be the number one on the call sheet

481
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Speaker 1: at this point in your career, would you set aside

482
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Speaker 1: or the nutritious juicy roles you've played to become rich

483
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Speaker 1: and famous, or do you like things exactly as they

484
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Speaker 1: are now? I'd like to play some leading roles. I

485
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Speaker 1: always in that My analogy is that a movie is

486
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Speaker 1: like a ghost train ride, and the central character is

487
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Speaker 1: a neutral character, so that they the audience sit on

488
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Speaker 1: the train and go on the ghost train ride, go

489
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 1: on the ups and downs, but the central character is

490
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 1: quite neutral, quite bland. And me I played the guy

491
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Speaker 1: who goes boo. I do about six or seven movies

492
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Speaker 1: a year, and I'd like to do one or two

493
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Speaker 1: movies a year and and really get into So I'd

494
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,159
Speaker 1: like a career like yours are like Sean, where you

495
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 1: end up playing great character roles, but they are the

496
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Speaker 1: leading part. Are you're going to direct films. Yeah, I

497
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 1: was going to direct. My mother died a couple of

498
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 1: years ago. I was about to direct a film for

499
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:34,440
Speaker 1: for BBC Films, but my mother passed away and when

500
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 1: she was ill, we had to I had to stop.

501
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 1: And because of that, I'm writing things. I have a

502
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:44,399
Speaker 1: fascinating with American politics. What I love about America is

503
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 1: it's an idea and it's an idea that people are

504
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 1: trying to implement as as best as possible. Yeah. Yeah,

505
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 1: but it's like anything, it exposes people's shortcomings. Some people

506
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 1: think it supports their bigotry, and other people it inspires generosity,

507
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: and I think that's fascinating. I want to tell you

508
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 1: again that I watched seasons five, six, and seven of

509
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 1: Ray Donovan. It's on showtime anytime for people that are

510
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: out there, all seven seasons. Eddie Marson, I mean you

511
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 1: you really you ripped my heart out. Thank you were

512
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: ripped my heart out. I mean the it's the sweet

513
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: and the sour, it's those extremes. It's the dignity and

514
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 1: the malevolence, but the whole range is there. Not many

515
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: people get that, and that's what you did on that show.

516
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 1: You got everything out of that part you possibly can.

517
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Speaker 1: You were great in that fucking show. Great, Thank you

518
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 1: very much, Actor Eddie Marson. David Arquette has seen some

519
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: turbulent times, a very public marriage and divorce, rehab, a

520
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: heart attack, and a career that's stalled in part because

521
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: he won a pro wrestling championship two decades ago. But

522
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: David Arquette comes from a long line of performers, and

523
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 1: he knows how to reinvent himself. My dad was a

524
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,239
Speaker 1: big improvisational actor, and we did a bunch of that

525
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 1: growing up. That was built into sort of our playtime.

526
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Speaker 1: But I wasn't really serious into it until high school.

527
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:23,120
Speaker 1: Where school Fairfax in Los Angeles? Where were you living

528
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: one part of town. We lived right down the street

529
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:30,199
Speaker 1: from Paramount Studios, right in Hollywood, But back then it

530
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 1: was pretty crazy area at the time, punk rock and

531
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: roller skating and you know, just all this bizarre world.

532
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 1: Then I got into break dancing and graffiti and I

533
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: was kind of like all into that world. And then

534
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: they were doing a school play. They couldn't find the

535
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: lead and they approached me, and then I met my teacher, Bendibaldo,

536
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: who had a real impact on my life. Helped me

537
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 1: focus on just acting and like getting into acting. And

538
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Speaker 1: where were your sisters at that point in your family?

539
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: At the point were they all dabbling in it? Like

540
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,479
Speaker 1: in my family literally because I'm the oldest, My brothers

541
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: were sitting around in the den of our house and

542
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 1: I was doing a soap opera, you know, and they

543
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 1: were sitting there, stoned out of their mind and say, now,

544
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: if ship Head here can get on TV, why can't

545
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 1: we get on TV? You know, there was really the

546
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: such contempt for me that launched their careers. Who was

547
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: the first one to jump in the pool of your

548
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 1: famous siblings? Rosanna really broke down the door for this generation.

549
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: I mean, my great grandfather was cliff ar Ket Charlie Weaver,

550
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: and then my father and my mother was also an actress.

551
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 1: But then this generation, it was Rosanna. She ran out

552
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: to Hollywood and stayed with the family that we were

553
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: friends with when she was like fifteen or sixteen. Patricia

554
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 1: then got into it, so they were both working actresses

555
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: when I was in high school. And this fascinates me,

556
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: this whole family thing, because you walt to such distinctive personalities.

557
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: Did you have a similar goal? I don't know, there

558
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 1: was eleven years difference between me and Rosanna, So when

559
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: I was a teenager, she was a woman like starting

560
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: her career, and I always remember like seeing some of

561
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 1: her early work and being really impressed by it, like

562
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Speaker 1: the Executioner Song and Big Blue and After Hours. I mean,

563
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 1: she was doing such incredible work and I was just

564
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 1: in awe of her talent. We all have this improvisational

565
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: bass because my dad was a working actor like forty

566
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: five years, so he'd do industrial films and commercials, and

567
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 1: I was still on the Walton's and just kind of

568
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: paying the bills. So there was also a real kind

569
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: of blue collar element to acting for me. I still

570
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 1: kind of hold that even though I love theater, I

571
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: fell in love with theater. I've been able to do

572
00:30:53,560 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 1: a couple really beautiful plays and a couple of real stinkers. Well,

573
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: what's one you enjoyed and where? Describe where were My

574
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: favorite play was at the Geffen. It was called The

575
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: Female of the Species and that Benning was the lead

576
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: in it, and I learned so much just watching her.

577
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: But Net Benning, who has that rare distinction of someone

578
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: who became a movie star based on the performance in

579
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: a play, she did them, the play Coastal Disturbances, the

580
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: Tina how Play on Broadway with Tim Daley. I've always

581
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: found it if I need something to kind of get

582
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: my mind right, like to get my feelings right of it,

583
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: what am I doing and why? Because movies and TV

584
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 1: has been so daunting for me. I go to a

585
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: play and all of a sudden, then I I just

586
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: feel better, like if we were doing a revival. It

587
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: was a famous piece of material, and it was a

588
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: process that I was much more familiar with. It was

589
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 1: movie making just seem like, man, you gotta be lucky.

590
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: You know, you need a lot of luck in this business. Definitely,

591
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: When did the luck come for you? When did you

592
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 1: first feel lucky? I did a film called On His

593
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: Way Back that was sort of my first indie film, Darling,

594
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: that went to festivals and people sort of appreciated it,

595
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 1: and I think from there, I did a film called

596
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 1: Dream with the Fishes. I really loved that experience. Who

597
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: was the director, Finn Taylor, really amazing writer director. She

598
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 1: was brilliant. It's one of my favorite films that I've

599
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: done because it's based on a true story and just

600
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: really had a lot of hard and really beautiful music

601
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: in it, and I got to work with this actor

602
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: Brad Hunt, that I've still dear friends with. And then

603
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: what happens in terms of you make a movie that

604
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: makes a huge amount of money correct they scream and

605
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: that movie makes bags of money, and then what happens

606
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 1: do you all of a sudden you decide now I

607
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: need to do different movies. I could select sort of

608
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: more films that I wanted to do. I had met

609
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: Courtney Cox, my ex wife, on Scream that had been

610
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: become a big focus of my life, just my relationship.

611
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: And then I did a couple uh studio movies, but

612
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: they're kind of It was funny. I was watching this

613
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: documentary on the casting director of of Midnight Cowboy, and

614
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 1: I'm all captivated by this beautiful story of this incredible

615
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: artistic casting director and she cast one of my favorite films. Yeah,

616
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 1: and I'm watching it and I'm like loving it. And

617
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: then she was like, then the studio made me start

618
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: casting crap. And it's like the show picture of me

619
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: c spot run the movie. I had done a kid's movie,

620
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: you know, So I was like, oh, it was like

621
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 1: this gut punch. I know, people are really selective about

622
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: what they do and the protective of their careers. And

623
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: I'm getting that more now, but I never really was.

624
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: I'd always do like a kids movie if I wanted

625
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: to do a kid's movie, or or horror film, or

626
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: I do a fun like I did this movie Eight

627
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: Legged Freaks, which was like a throwback to the sixties

628
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: kind of creature features like I love all that stuff.

629
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: So I never saw it as selling out or you

630
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: weren't calculating enough. Now you know you made the mistake

631
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: of doing what you wanted to do right right, as

632
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: opposed what they wanted you to do, you know now

633
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: at the same time, because I don't want to dwell

634
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: on this too much, but I just find the counterpoint interesting.

635
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 1: When you met Courtney on Scream, she was on the

636
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 1: TV show already or no, yeah, she she was on Friends.

637
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: They were in like their first or second year, so

638
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: it was very early on. And then she when she

639
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: comes out the other end of that tunnel. She's one

640
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 1: of the most famous women and she's part of one

641
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: of the most famous TV shows in history. You were

642
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,720
Speaker 1: married to her for how long thirteen years or twelve

643
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 1: years or something, so that run of that show, you

644
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 1: were pretty much the run of the show. Yeah, through

645
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: the run of the show. We have a sixteen year

646
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: old daughter together now, but yeah, through the run of

647
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 1: the show. You know, when you were with someone in

648
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: that acting relationship, I became her husband a lot, you know.

649
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: You know, you become second fiddle to a certain degree,

650
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:12,280
Speaker 1: or like there's an effect on your career in a sense,

651
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 1: or you even just in any relationship. You just have

652
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: to start making choices. Like I remember I was up

653
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 1: for a role with High Fidelity, but I had already

654
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: committed to me and Courtney doing this film together called

655
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,800
Speaker 1: The Shrink Is In, And Stephen Fears called me in

656
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,240
Speaker 1: the office. He said, come on, you gotta do this movie.

657
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: You know, I know you have the film with your wife,

658
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: but marriage is temporary. Movies are forever. Yeah, right, I

659
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 1: had guys call me up. I had guys call me

660
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: up and they said they were like, we can always

661
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: get you another wife out, Like, I mean, you know,

662
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 1: let's get serious. Did you get that sense from her

663
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 1: that the goose that lays the golden egg and you

664
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: have to really really protect that there were risks that

665
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 1: she couldn't take in her career. Yeah, for sure. I

666
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: definitely had to watch my self. I was a bit

667
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: of a wild character anyway. But when we had our daughter, Coco,

668
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 1: I remember the paparazzi at this point in Los Angeles

669
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,280
Speaker 1: had just gone crazy. They were like gangsters with cameras

670
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: and they would like provoke fights with me, and I'd

671
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: be like screaming, like I got this protective instinct of

672
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,720
Speaker 1: my child. It was like, you know, you know about

673
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: I wouldn't know anything about that, David, I have no

674
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 1: idea what you're talking about. Paparazzi threatening your wife, your child,

675
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: and you become really really activated over that. I have

676
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,879
Speaker 1: no idea what you're talking about. I know. It's so

677
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: it's gets so crazy. It was a weird time because

678
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: we were she was like the darling and and all

679
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: that stuff, and you start going to all the parties

680
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: and you start meeting all the big people and all

681
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: the stuff. And then we got a divorce and I

682
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:55,760
Speaker 1: just kind of like really took it hard. I started drinking,

683
00:36:56,520 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: just heartbroken. That was a tough time just to sort

684
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: of bounce comes apart. When there's no kids, obviously, it's

685
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: a it's different when those kids involved. You know. When

686
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: I got divorced and have my daughter Ireland. It was

687
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: fucking agony, man, it was fucking agony, you know, just

688
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: to be another statistic, you know. Now, let me ask

689
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: you this, your sister who was born your brother Roberts, right,

690
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: if I read correctly, Alexis didn't emerge till she was

691
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: really in her thirties correct well, within the family, she did.

692
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,760
Speaker 1: She came out in her late teens, nineteen or something,

693
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 1: and my mom was really liberal and she had a

694
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: really hard time with it. That was really a weird

695
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: time because we're like, Mom, you're like the most open minded.

696
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: She had a hard time because she knew it was

697
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,879
Speaker 1: just gonna be a hard life for Alexis. But then

698
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: she did the wedding singer and she was boy George

699
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: and that, so she kind of did certain roles where

700
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: she showed that side, but she didn't really come out

701
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 1: like publicly until she was ready to say, I only

702
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: want to do you know, either female or transgender parts,

703
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 1: And that's where she kind of came out publicly early

704
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: two thousand's two four that yeah, I was reading about

705
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 1: her and said she was born in sixty nine, so

706
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: that makes her like thirty five years old. So she

707
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 1: was living with that and and and keeping that close

708
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: until she was thirty five years old. Oh, when she

709
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: was thirty five, that's when she became a woman. But

710
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: then at the end of her life then she wanted

711
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,720
Speaker 1: us to refer to her as our brother again before

712
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 1: she died. So it's like this confusic thing where I

713
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 1: say my brother and my sister. But towards the end,

714
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: Alexis was like the female side of her, or her

715
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 1: wanting to be a female she realized was connected a

716
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: lot to sexuality. So at the end she wanted to

717
00:38:54,760 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: be referred more to as our brother. David Arquette follow

718
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: Here's the Thing on the I Heart Radio app, Apple

719
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. While you're there,

720
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:13,800
Speaker 1: leave us a review. When we return, David talks about

721
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: why he wanted to get back in the ring for

722
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: his new documentary You Can't Kill David Arquette. I'm Alec

723
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 1: Baldwin and this is Here's the Thing. David Arquette is

724
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: a long time real deal fan of professional wrestling. In

725
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: the year two thousand, he won the w c W

726
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:44,800
Speaker 1: World Heavyweight Championship, a title he held for twelve days.

727
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 1: An achievement that was mocked by wrestling fans and Hollywood alike.

728
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: His career stalled, he let himself go, and then he

729
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 1: decided to get back in the ring. It's all captured

730
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 1: in a documentary released last year whose idea was the

731
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: movie you Can't Kill David Arquette. You can't. And by

732
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 1: the time I was done watching the movie, I mean,

733
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 1: I thought, that's a cute title. That's a fun title.

734
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 1: This is his middle aged crisis. You know he's up there.

735
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: It was like my third middles his third When it

736
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 1: came around to his third midlife crisis, he decided to

737
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 1: film it. That's genius. So you do this movie. And

738
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: I watched and by the end, I was like, Wow,

739
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: that's a very apt title, because you can't kill David

740
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: ar cat When did this wrestling thing begin? And why?

741
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 1: What's the funk were you thinking? Well? I did a

742
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 1: movie called Ready to Rumble years ago. It was one

743
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: of those like three studio films I did that kind

744
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,919
Speaker 1: of didn't get received very well, and it didn't even

745
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,439
Speaker 1: get received very well by the wrestling community at the time.

746
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 1: It's a really over the top comedy, but it's since

747
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: kind of grown some cult status. So I did this

748
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: movie Ready to Rumble. It was through Warner Brothers. Warner

749
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 1: Brothers at the time owned w c W, which was

750
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 1: like the competiting brand to w w E, the two

751
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: largest wrestling companies, and to promote the film, I went

752
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: on and I did some like appearance and got involved

753
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 1: because Diamond Dallas paid a big wrestler at the time,

754
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: and he's also the star of the film Ready to Rumble,

755
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 1: and we'd become friends through the process. So I came

756
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: and I did some in ring thing and it got

757
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: a really good reaction from the crowd. So they brought

758
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: me back to do a second thing and they said

759
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: we're going to make you the champion. That was wrestling fans,

760
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 1: So I was like, no, that's all. Yeah. And since

761
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,439
Speaker 1: I was a kid. For since I was a kid,

762
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: I always loved it. I'd go to the matches throughout

763
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: the years and I saw Andre the Giant as a

764
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: kid and it just kind of blew my mind. I

765
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: just love it because my family goes back to Vaudeville.

766
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: There's such a like a circule, this kind of connection.

767
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: I love clowns. I love you know, the circus world.

768
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 1: You know wrestling was kind of connected to that, and this,

769
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,240
Speaker 1: you know sport that I believe for a long time

770
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 1: was a normal sport where it's not sort of predetermined

771
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 1: like it is. So it was like an opportunity. And

772
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: all these guys that I was fans of, Hulk Hogan

773
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: and Macho Man were all at this company, and so

774
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, that would be amazing, and they

775
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 1: said we're gonna make you the champion. I was like,

776
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: that's a terrible idea. Domdal's page said, well, listen if

777
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 1: you if you don't do it, then it's over. There's

778
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 1: no more promotion to ready to rumble, there's no more wrestling,

779
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 1: like that's it. And I said, well, what if I

780
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: do it? They say, you get to come with us

781
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,280
Speaker 1: for the next two weeks, travel with all this whole show,

782
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: and you know, you're the champion for two weeks and

783
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: then you'll lose it at the pay per view. I'd

784
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: rather be champion for two weeks than not at all. Exactly,

785
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,919
Speaker 1: That's what I thought. I thought, Oh, be the fan

786
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: that finally became a champion. But the fact that I

787
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 1: was a comedic actor from Hollywood, the they saw it.

788
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: Married to some girl on sitcom. They didn't go for it,

789
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: and they've projected me. They hated me for twenty years.

790
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: They'd spit on me and yelled the most horrible things

791
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: and like trying to pick fights with me and all

792
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: this stuff. And then the internet, Who's day? The fans

793
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 1: fans wrestling fans and it was second. So you were

794
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 1: the champion for two weeks and they rejected you could

795
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 1: then though you were a Hollywood poser. Yeah, you're a

796
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 1: Hollywood got to like get drunk with Rick Flair in

797
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: a ball married to her. It was a huge baggage

798
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 1: for you. Yeah, you need to be married to a

799
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: woman with like scars on her face and everything. But

800
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: so you're married to her and they think you're a

801
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: Hollywood poser. You do this for two weeks, But do

802
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 1: you find that all of a sudden you want to

803
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 1: get into the wrestling thing for real because you're sick

804
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:51,439
Speaker 1: of people thinking that you haven't got what it takes. Yeah.

805
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 1: I mean when we were younger, we used to scrap

806
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: all the time, get into little rumbles and fights and

807
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 1: all this stuff. You know, But was it your pride

808
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 1: the triggered you? Yeah, it was. I I hated that

809
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: they were like, I was a wooss you know what

810
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 1: I mean? They just treated me like this, like little

811
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: punk being bullied. I was constantly being bullied for like

812
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 1: and I was like, shut up, I'm gonna prove my show.

813
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: You show you? Yeah? I did? And how does that beginning?

814
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 1: Who do you go to? Sit there and go I

815
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 1: really really want to get into this. Who do you

816
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: tell that to? It built up for years and then

817
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 1: I had two stints put in my heart. I had

818
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 1: a really bad reaction to a stress test. I thought

819
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: it was having no hard attack. And when I came

820
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 1: out of it, I told my wife I've been really

821
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:44,919
Speaker 1: thinking about wrestling. She was like, what are you talking. Yeah.

822
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 1: My current Christina, who's incredible. She produced the film You

823
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 1: Cannot Kill David or Catch was McClarty. McClarty and she

824
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: was a correspondent for E. Yeah. She went to n

825
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: I U as a journalist and then did local news

826
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 1: and then then E and we had met sort of

827
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: at an eighties boat party. She's just such a badass,

828
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: Like the skill set that she got from being a

829
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: journalist goes right into being a producer. So incredibly well.

830
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: And her her uncle was like a chief of staff

831
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 1: to Clinton his first term, so she just could really

832
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 1: get stuff done. Two stents in your heart, You I

833
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 1: want to begin my wrestling career, Well, it was what

834
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: did your wife? I literally was watching my life and seeing,

835
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:34,919
Speaker 1: like my friends, my family, my children, well kids, Well,

836
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 1: this is a life if I if I don't make

837
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,919
Speaker 1: it through. And I didn't have like many regrets necessarily,

838
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:43,959
Speaker 1: But then I was thinking about wrestling. It was so

839
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 1: strange to me that it was such a high on

840
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 1: the list of like things that still were kind of

841
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: gnawing at me. So I told her everyone wanted to

842
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,399
Speaker 1: return to wrestling. I also knew I had to lose

843
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: a bunch of weight and get in shape, and I

844
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 1: just thought if I were to do this process, it

845
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 1: would be fun to film it so that I could

846
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: give wrestling fans a glimpse of the experience I had

847
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 1: when I first wrestled. So the film covers the period

848
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 1: of your launching of your legit wrestling career. Yeah this

849
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: is twenty years later. Now twenty years later, two stants later,

850
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 1: divorce later, You're gonna launch her wrestling career And Christina

851
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: doesn't sit there and call her a divorced Lawyer. She

852
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 1: seems like she really got it together. What was her response?

853
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 1: She thought it was crazy she did. It's all in

854
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 1: the in the film. You know, there's also like this

855
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: whole undertone was like my love for Randy Kaufman. Uh,

856
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: he always loved wrestling. He actually went to Memphis and

857
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: like wrestled for a year or two. Randy Piper was

858
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 1: one who slapped him. That was Jerry Lawler, JR. Lawler,

859
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 1: j Lawler and he also I've wrestled Jerry Lawler in

860
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 1: the in the Doctor Ventary, I got of the do

861
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,879
Speaker 1: a pile driver just like Andy, but it literally messed

862
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,399
Speaker 1: my neck up to this day. It's it's so much

863
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 1: more dangerous and painful and like how physically challenging than

864
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 1: anything I've ever done before. I never knew like how

865
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: how real it is, Like it is more there's more

866
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 1: contact than you think. So my view of it, I mean,

867
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:26,919
Speaker 1: my sense of it is I think most people share

868
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 1: this is that it's an extraordinary amount of physical conditioning.

869
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: These guys and these women who do this look great.

870
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 1: They're all athletic and ripped up and strong and powerful

871
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 1: and muscled up and everything, and there's just enough reality

872
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: and just enough violence to make it look real. But

873
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: it's all choreography, and I mean there is some spontaneity,

874
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: but it's all worked out for the safety of those involved.

875
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 1: You don't take somebody and smash their face through the

876
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 1: glass table, you know, sometimes people do. Actually, you know,

877
00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 1: it is all like worked out. But what you learned

878
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,359
Speaker 1: very quickly that people in the ring sometimes have other

879
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: things going on in their life. There's something called a receipt,

880
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,839
Speaker 1: Like if somebody hits you with something, you can get

881
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 1: a receipt to hit them back at some point. A

882
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: lot of stuff happens in the wrestling ring. That's not

883
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 1: when you work with like super pros, like the real pros.

884
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 1: You could get in a ring with them and everything smooth,

885
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 1: and you know, it looks like they're killing you. It's beautiful. Yeah,

886
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 1: what was the most painful thing that happened to you

887
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 1: in the ring? We had this death match where I

888
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 1: got stabbed in the neck with a light tube and

889
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 1: that was pretty in those painful Yeah, that's the film,

890
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 1: but that actually wasn't the most painful. I think the

891
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,959
Speaker 1: pile Driver by Jerry Lawler or um I got put

892
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: through a table through my back out against Bully Ray.

893
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,320
Speaker 1: Those were some of the most painful. You hit the

894
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 1: mat so hard all the time. I got this kind

895
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: of reoccurring whiplash is pretty much what it is. One

896
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 1: of my muscles that connects my shoulder to my neck

897
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:01,320
Speaker 1: just has never been the same. But the really interesting

898
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: thing is you learn a lot about acting like it

899
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 1: has to be real, Like you have to tap into

900
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 1: these emotions that you could tell a story without making

901
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 1: a sound. You have to show that you're scared or

902
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 1: like now you're filled with ancor yeah, and and it's

903
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: all in your eyes and it's all in this thing.

904
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: But it's also when you get into a wrestling room,

905
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 1: time speeds up. You'll do something and think like I'm

906
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 1: gonna stop to the corner like an upset little kid,

907
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 1: and I'll watch it back and I like, run to

908
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 1: the corner. I was like, wait a second, I thought

909
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 1: I took so much time doing that, But when you

910
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 1: watch it back, it's so much quicker. So it teaches

911
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 1: you to really be in the moment. There's this connection

912
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: with an audience that you don't even have enough play.

913
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 1: It does like then move into this, Oh, you're doing

914
00:49:56,560 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: a sport, You're combining. Like I was in my therapist

915
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 1: office and I was like, oh, because my least favorite

916
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,800
Speaker 1: thing in the world is war and violence towards others,

917
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: and I don't want to hurt anyone. So I was like, wow,

918
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: that's my least favorite thing, and here I am simulating violence.

919
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 1: Did this work that you put in for the film,

920
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: the wrestling thing and coming back twenty years later, did

921
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 1: that rekindle your love of acting as well? It did? Yeah,

922
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 1: it did. It grounded me for one. It made me

923
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: really just grateful for life. There's something that I've always

924
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: tried to do is sort of stay in touch with people,

925
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, not get all caught up

926
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 1: in Hollywood and that world. I like people. I like

927
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: really interesting characters that you'll meet in the world. So

928
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:48,799
Speaker 1: you find a lot of them in the rest of

929
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:50,840
Speaker 1: the world, and you see a lot of like human

930
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 1: nature in the rest of the world. And yeah, it

931
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,839
Speaker 1: keeps you grounded. What did your sisters say about there?

932
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 1: They here in the film very fleetingly. What did they

933
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 1: think about you getting light tube smashed in your face

934
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: and all the stuff? Yeah, that wasn't Everyone was really

935
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 1: upset about that. My wife was like, I just feel

936
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:09,840
Speaker 1: like you want to die, and I was like, I

937
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 1: don't want to die, but I've definitely been beating myself up.

938
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to die, but I'm thinking about it. Mulligan, Honest,

939
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 1: there's definitely a sado mastochistic element to deathmatch wrestling. People

940
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: are doing it for some reason. They're beating themselves up there,

941
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 1: numbing themselves, They're kind of experiencing this. It's also this

942
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,959
Speaker 1: connection with these fans that are watching it and they're

943
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:38,359
Speaker 1: like blood hungry, like they freak out. There's like when

944
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 1: I went into that room, they hated me, like they

945
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 1: literally did not like me, and then when I was

946
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,319
Speaker 1: leaving they were cheering me. So I kind of want

947
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 1: them over in that moment. So here's this image I

948
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 1: have of you because I've seen other people like this.

949
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,359
Speaker 1: I've seen people in the forty years that I've been

950
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:58,720
Speaker 1: working as an actor since nine, I've seen people where

951
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 1: like the path you can take, and of course there

952
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 1: are diverse paths, they're not all the same, but you

953
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:08,320
Speaker 1: achieve a certain place in the business where you can relax.

954
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:09,879
Speaker 1: You know there's work there if you want. It isn't

955
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 1: always what you want to do, but one for them

956
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:14,240
Speaker 1: one for you. You can make a little indie movie.

957
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 1: It's a clever part. Now do you think that's true

958
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 1: of you? Do you think there was a point where

959
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 1: you just sat there and said, fuck this, man, I

960
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 1: just can't. I can't be what they want me to be. Yeah,

961
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: I don't. There's a lot about the business that doesn't

962
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 1: appeal to me. And I just I'm horrible at auditions,

963
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: So just doing auditions. But I've done a bunch of

964
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 1: like little scrappy films just to like help first time

965
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 1: directors and this and that. Like you know, I've been

966
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 1: acting for thirty years, and I mean that's set just

967
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 1: super ultra low budget, just to still stay sort of

968
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 1: connected to it all. It's a long journey, you know.

969
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: And you're starting out and come to l A and

970
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 1: you your grandfather is this famous actor, and your sisters

971
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 1: become famous, and then you marry the prom queen and

972
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 1: you go through everything you've gone through and look where

973
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 1: you are now you're married. Your wife saidal yeah, you

974
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 1: have a lot to be grateful for. You got two

975
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 1: little kids. You're still alive, even in spite of your

976
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 1: best efforts, You're still alive. Yeah, And I get to

977
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:21,919
Speaker 1: have an interview with one of my heroes. You really

978
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 1: are incredible actor. I've always been a huge fan. Listen.

979
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 1: I hope you have a lot of great things coming

980
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:28,720
Speaker 1: up for you, man, because I think that you're really

981
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 1: You're just so original, you know what I mean, You're

982
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 1: so I watch you in that movie, and I hope

983
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 1: people watch this movie. They've got to see this movie.

984
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 1: You can't kill David Arquette. It is really, really, really

985
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 1: a lot of fun to painful. There's a lot of

986
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 1: it's funny. I appreciate it. Thank you. That'st of luck

987
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 1: to you, buddy, to my thanks to actors Eddie Marston

988
00:53:55,600 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: and David Arquette. We're produced by Kathleen Ruth, Carrie Donohue

989
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 1: and Zach McNeese. Our engineer is Frank Imperial. Thanks to

990
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 1: Sarah every and Justin Wright. I'm Alec Baldwin. Here's the

991
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 1: Thing is brought to you by iHeart Radio.