WEBVTT - The Mystery of the Mary Celeste 0:00:01.120 --> 0:00:04.600 Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from House Stuff Works 0:00:04.600 --> 0:00:13.880 dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, 0:00:13.920 --> 0:00:17.480 and there's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, and there's Jerry Rowland. 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:23.919 The Triumvirate, the hat Trick, the Trio, the triage trifecta French. 0:00:24.120 --> 0:00:27.600 There you go? Is that Latin M? I don't know 0:00:27.600 --> 0:00:30.000 if I just know it as a gambling term. Well, 0:00:30.040 --> 0:00:33.600 whatever it is, it's stuff you should know. Hey, Happy 0:00:33.600 --> 0:00:40.040 New Year, Happy New Year to YouTube buddy, Happy new Year, Jerry. 0:00:40.159 --> 0:00:43.400 Uh so in real time. This is our first recording. 0:00:44.840 --> 0:00:46.360 Uh I know this always feels a little bit weird 0:00:46.400 --> 0:00:48.520 when we say things like happy New Year, and what 0:00:48.680 --> 0:00:54.440 February late January? No, it's like next week we ate 0:00:54.520 --> 0:00:57.400 up the kiddie. Did we get that slim? Oh? Yeah, 0:00:57.520 --> 0:01:01.080 during our long break which was wonderful. Yeah, it was 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:08.640 so nice, Chuck, I actually get this relaxed. Yes it was. 0:01:08.920 --> 0:01:13.880 I did I unwound. I My cortisol levels decreased, although 0:01:13.920 --> 0:01:17.200 the spare tire didn't actually go down with it. It 0:01:17.280 --> 0:01:22.240 was replaced by frosting. Um my webcam begs to differ 0:01:22.360 --> 0:01:25.840 because I was peeking in on you. The whole time. Well, okay, 0:01:25.880 --> 0:01:27.680 I did a lot of work, but I did relax 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:31.800 in between. I saw you pacing wondering what to do 0:01:31.880 --> 0:01:35.520 with myself, clipping orkids, clipping orchids. Man, my orchids are 0:01:35.560 --> 0:01:38.520 doing so well right now. It's super cold out of course, 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:41.399 right but I've got to keep them outside because they 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:43.840 have a bit of an ant advest station. Haven't figured 0:01:43.840 --> 0:01:45.880 out how to do anything about that one yet, but 0:01:46.440 --> 0:01:49.520 I built like a little impromptu cold frame around him, 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:54.720 and I have a mini croc pot warming water inside 0:01:54.720 --> 0:01:57.760 the cold frame. So to the orchids. They're in Ecuador 0:01:57.880 --> 0:02:00.640 right now during the rainy season. It's like ounsizing. Have 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:05.120 you seen that yet? No? That means nothing to you? Then, No, 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:08.160 it's I have no idea what you're talking about. What 0:02:08.240 --> 0:02:09.680 you have to tell me now? What is it? Well, 0:02:09.680 --> 0:02:12.560 it's that new movie, the new Alexander Paine movie with 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:16.920 Matt Damon. Does that have to do with or kids? 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:19.799 Has to do with Ecuador? Shrinking people down and living 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:23.119 in miniature Oh that sounds kind of cool. So they'll 0:02:23.160 --> 0:02:24.880 be like a miniature crock pot. That's what got me 0:02:24.919 --> 0:02:27.960 on that tangent. Did you ever see that documentary. I'm 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:30.160 sorry everybody who wants to stay on track, But just 0:02:30.240 --> 0:02:32.880 one more thing. Did you ever see that documentary Chuck 0:02:32.919 --> 0:02:38.760 about the the woman who created miniature crime scenes for 0:02:38.919 --> 0:02:44.600 UM like police to study and learn from. No, you 0:02:44.639 --> 0:02:47.000 should check it out. It was it was this lady 0:02:47.000 --> 0:02:48.760 who did exactly what I just said. They made a 0:02:48.800 --> 0:02:51.720 documentary about her and how much these things have actually 0:02:51.760 --> 0:02:55.800 helped teach techniques and how radical a change it was, 0:02:55.880 --> 0:02:58.880 and presumption of guilt and that kind of thing. You 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:00.720 know how much I love many of your things, though, 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:04.079 well you would love this. I'm surprised you haven't seen it. Then, No, 0:03:04.200 --> 0:03:08.320 because what was I think it was in UM Chicago, 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:12.240 the museum in Chicago and the downstairs I want to 0:03:12.240 --> 0:03:15.520 say basement, but whatever, the lowest floor is. They have 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:18.120 the works of the woman who created all the miniature 0:03:18.880 --> 0:03:23.160 UM house interiors and it's just like I could have 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:26.519 spent all day in there. Yeah, I'll bet so, You're 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:29.720 amazing you would. I know some there is something about 0:03:29.840 --> 0:03:31.880 things that are really small, things that are really small, 0:03:31.919 --> 0:03:34.760 and things that were once above ground that are now underwater. 0:03:35.160 --> 0:03:38.640 Have you you ever get the little uh, a little 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:42.600 tiny Tabasco bottle. M I just want to hug it. 0:03:42.600 --> 0:03:45.680 It's about as prized the Tabasco bottle as you can get. Man, 0:03:45.760 --> 0:03:48.360 I love small stuff like that. Yeah, well I know 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:52.120 what you're getting next Christmas. Some tiny yeah, well some 0:03:52.160 --> 0:03:55.920 tiny tabascosy. I'm gonna be like, hug these, give me 0:03:55.960 --> 0:04:00.840 a small anything. Okay, good to know, good to know. Alright, 0:04:00.880 --> 0:04:04.480 so let's talk. Let's wrap all right. You know I 0:04:04.520 --> 0:04:08.080 love me a mystery chuck. I think you do too. Yeah, 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:11.360 this is a good one. The ghost ship. When you yeah, 0:04:11.400 --> 0:04:15.760 when you cross mystery with history, it's it just blows 0:04:15.880 --> 0:04:18.440 up the spot, The whole spot blows up. And that's 0:04:18.480 --> 0:04:20.760 what this one is like. I remember learning about the 0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:23.680 Mary Celestack when I was a young Tyke probably filmed that, 0:04:23.760 --> 0:04:31.039 like Time Life Unexplained Phenomena series. I'm pretty sure that's right. Yeah. 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:34.800 They were great. They were just chuck full of just 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:39.280 outright lies and and mistaken facts and things like that, 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:41.280 but they were perfect for like a little ten year 0:04:41.279 --> 0:04:45.440 old imagination. You know, you were tiny. What do you 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:47.880 mean you were tiny? Ten year old? Your imagination was 0:04:47.960 --> 0:04:51.960 big though I wasn't tiny. Ten. I was really starting 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:55.359 to work on some chubs by then, Yeah I was 0:04:55.400 --> 0:04:57.520 I'm going in reversal, or I was skinny ten year old? 0:04:58.320 --> 0:05:03.200 Oh yeah, I was never a skinny kid. Yeah. Well anyway, 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:07.480 it's just division little kind of chuvy ten year old 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:11.239 Josh sitting there reading a time life book, learning about 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:14.560 the Mary Celeste This, like you said, ghost ship and 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:17.600 just my hair standing up on and going, this is 0:05:17.680 --> 0:05:21.200 what a great universe to live in, Yeah, where there 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:25.440 can be ghost ships? Right, yeah, and we'll get to uh, 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:29.400 at the end, we will reveal the big well, no 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:32.080 one knows for sure what happened, but no, um, we'll 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:35.080 get to what the best guess is at the very end. 0:05:35.160 --> 0:05:37.000 Or should we just say that right now? No, No, 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:40.080 it be weird. I think no, I think that, but 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:43.560 I subscribe to the best guess as we'll see. All right, 0:05:43.640 --> 0:05:46.760 so way back machine time, right, but this is our 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:52.720 our seafaring version. Well, no, we're going to old New York. Okay, 0:05:52.760 --> 0:05:54.960 so we don't need to get wet yet. No, not yet. 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:59.760 We're Daniel day Lewis reigned Supreme. Have you seen that yet? Oh? No, 0:05:59.839 --> 0:06:02.480 you talking about the gangs of New York, New York, 0:06:02.880 --> 0:06:05.960 about the new and phantom thread where do you hear 0:06:06.000 --> 0:06:09.960 about these movies? That's my job, dude. Oh yeah, that's right. 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:13.440 Um yea that I don't think that movie is even 0:06:13.440 --> 0:06:15.960 out yet, actually, at least not in Atlanta. You know, 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:19.839 we're like a second second tier city. Yeah, that's true, 0:06:19.880 --> 0:06:22.120 but I suspect not for long because I think Atlanta 0:06:22.200 --> 0:06:25.200 is actually surpassed l A. Now as far as like 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:30.600 film production goes. Have you heard that? I could certainly 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:33.840 believe it. Yeah. So does that mean we're second tier 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:39.080 in l A's third tier? Maybe so A two point five. Alright, 0:06:39.120 --> 0:06:43.120 So are you talking early November eight seventy two, Yes, 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:46.080 November four, to be exact, on Monday? Are you talking 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:49.279 about the Astor House in New York City, New York? Yeah? Man, 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:51.520 And this is at a time where like, have you 0:06:51.520 --> 0:06:53.800 ever read Devil in the White City? Now, man, I 0:06:53.839 --> 0:06:56.080 still have not read that. You should read. It's pretty good. 0:06:56.120 --> 0:06:58.240 But one of the things that the book does is 0:06:58.839 --> 0:07:02.000 it reproduces end us from these dinners that they had 0:07:02.040 --> 0:07:04.680 when they were planning the expo, and these things were 0:07:04.760 --> 0:07:09.559 like they had chapters. Basically, they'd smoke cigarettes in the middle. 0:07:09.600 --> 0:07:12.640 There be a cigarette round because you had to do 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:15.680 something to keep all of this food down and and 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:18.680 help the process of digestion. It was crazy how much 0:07:18.720 --> 0:07:21.160 they would eat. So I can imagine the food was 0:07:21.160 --> 0:07:24.040 pretty good at the Astor House in eighteen seventy two. Yeah, 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:28.120 but everything back then was like crown roast and rack 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:32.200 of lamb and it was just like huge trays of beef, 0:07:32.800 --> 0:07:35.000 right live pig that you beat to death at your 0:07:35.040 --> 0:07:39.320 table and then start eating. God, they did it. Believe 0:07:39.360 --> 0:07:42.800 me that time Life books told me so. Alright, So 0:07:42.920 --> 0:07:45.360 at this dinner table, we have um a few people. 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:49.000 We have one captain David Moorehouse, and then his buddy 0:07:49.200 --> 0:07:52.280 he was a ship's captain. His buddy another ship's captain, 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:54.119 because you know, they didn't hang out with one another, 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:59.640 um captain Captain Benjamin Spooner Briggs. Uh. And they're sitting 0:07:59.680 --> 0:08:02.760 down with Briggs his wife Sarah. And I don't know 0:08:02.800 --> 0:08:04.560 did did Moore House have his wife there or was 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:07.840 he That's not the impression I have. I think that 0:08:08.200 --> 0:08:10.760 Sarah was there because they were. She was shipping out 0:08:10.800 --> 0:08:14.160 the next day too. I think he was batching it. 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:17.560 In other words, but they were good buddies, both captains 0:08:17.760 --> 0:08:22.360 both set to set sail out of New York for 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:27.240 the Mediterranean, and I guess they were just talking shop. Yeah, 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:29.680 I mean, I think they both grew up in Nova Scotia, 0:08:29.760 --> 0:08:32.679 so they may have known each other. There a couple 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:35.120 of sault the old sea dogs, but good people from 0:08:35.120 --> 0:08:39.760 from from all accounts, and they I mean the fact 0:08:39.800 --> 0:08:42.480 that these guys were having dinner in New York on 0:08:42.559 --> 0:08:47.120 November four, eight two totally unremarkable in most senses, right, 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:53.240 but a month later it would be incredibly ironic. And 0:08:53.280 --> 0:08:57.520 tell him why, Well, because more houses ship the h 0:08:57.679 --> 0:09:01.560 is it Digratia, I think, So okay, we'll call it 0:09:01.640 --> 0:09:04.160 that d E I g r A t I A 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:08.800 de gracia. Uh, we'll sailing along and and we'll get 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:10.920 to the specifics of how this happened a second. But 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:14.880 they came upon his buddy ship, the Mary Celeste, and 0:09:15.320 --> 0:09:19.560 by all accounts was probably like, hey, that's uh, that's Briggs. 0:09:20.080 --> 0:09:22.160 We need to go over and check out how how 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:26.160 Spoon's Briggs is doing right, And they weren't doing well 0:09:26.240 --> 0:09:30.160 because nobody aboard the ship was aboard the ship. No, 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:32.520 I mean, just seeing the ship would have called him 0:09:32.520 --> 0:09:35.760 by surprise, because he shipped out a full week later 0:09:36.000 --> 0:09:38.680 bound for the same city, leaving from the same ports, 0:09:38.720 --> 0:09:41.240 so they should have never caught up to them. And 0:09:41.280 --> 0:09:43.160 then the fact that, yeah, when they boarded it and 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:46.640 there was no one aboard, a mystery that endures to 0:09:46.679 --> 0:09:50.679 this day was born that day. That is correct, all right, 0:09:50.800 --> 0:09:54.080 So the Mary Celeste very famous ghost ship. But what 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:56.440 a lot of people don't know, Chuck, is that even 0:09:56.559 --> 0:10:00.600 before the Mary Celeste became this famous ghost ship, it 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:05.280 was already considered pretty unlucky. Actually. Yeah, so eighteen sixty 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:09.280 was when uh not even named the mary Celestia, it 0:10:09.360 --> 0:10:12.160 was called the Amazon at the time. Was born in 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:16.640 Nova Scotia, and I believe the very first voyage, what 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:19.439 you would call a maiden voyage, was a wholesome some 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:23.679 timber to London across the Atlantic. Yeah, that's what she 0:10:23.760 --> 0:10:27.599 pretty pretty routine. Yeah, didn't go very well, no, it 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:32.719 didn't know. Her first captain was a guy named Robert McLellan, 0:10:33.600 --> 0:10:36.760 and he apparently had had a cold, and when they 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:39.280 shipped out, he took such a turn for the worst 0:10:39.280 --> 0:10:41.280 that they had to turn around and go back home, 0:10:41.760 --> 0:10:44.800 and he died two days after they got back. In 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:46.680 the moment, can you imagine back in those days, if 0:10:46.720 --> 0:10:48.440 you get a cold, you're like, well, I got about 0:10:48.440 --> 0:10:50.920 a one in ten chance of dying, right, maybe even 0:10:50.920 --> 0:10:54.520 worse than that. Right, Yeah, so this this, but think 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:57.319 about this, like, first of all, the sailors are fairly 0:10:57.640 --> 0:11:03.439 um superstitious, bunt, right, So a maiden voyage, anything that's 0:11:03.520 --> 0:11:07.320 like hinky or weird or bad about a maiden voyage 0:11:07.400 --> 0:11:11.120 automatically cursed ship. So the captain dying on a maiden 0:11:11.240 --> 0:11:14.360 voyage that can't even be completed, that's a cursed ship 0:11:14.440 --> 0:11:16.520 right out of the gate, I would say so. But 0:11:17.160 --> 0:11:19.520 this is also a business venture, so it's not like 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:21.760 the owners gave up on the thing. They said, well, 0:11:22.200 --> 0:11:25.440 just get in another captain, you superstitious dogs, and get 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:27.600 back out there. And that's what they did, yes, And 0:11:27.679 --> 0:11:32.319 captain number two was John Nutting Parker, great name is 0:11:32.360 --> 0:11:36.080 a good name, and he also sailed to London. And 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:39.360 when they left, they actually encountered some trouble right off 0:11:39.360 --> 0:11:42.640 the bat. They hit some fishing equipment off the coast 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:47.520 of Maine, pressed on as you do, and did reach London, 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:51.760 um dumped off their cargo, set sail for home. And 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:54.840 as they set sail for home, they actually sunk another 0:11:54.920 --> 0:11:59.920 boat in the English Channel. Yes, cursed ship, cursed ship. Yeah, 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:04.440 and that other boat was probably pick a lot right exactly. Yeah, 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:07.280 And the the captain of the other ship even stubbed 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:09.880 his toe on the way down afterward. It was terrible. 0:12:11.640 --> 0:12:15.840 So again, this is a business venture. The owners said, whatever, 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:18.600 that was somebody else's ship, our ships. Fine, we're gonna 0:12:18.679 --> 0:12:22.320 keep doing this London to um or New York to 0:12:22.360 --> 0:12:25.600 London timber route. They also did some West Indies trade 0:12:25.640 --> 0:12:30.120 for a while, and everything was fairly normal for a while. Um, 0:12:30.200 --> 0:12:33.920 and then a freak storm caught the ship. And I'm not, like, 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:38.360 I'm not a seafarer by any means whatsoever. So I 0:12:38.360 --> 0:12:41.800 don't know if this actually is like an inordinate amount 0:12:41.880 --> 0:12:45.079 of things to happen to one ship, but it does 0:12:45.160 --> 0:12:47.880 seem like a lot, and just you know, less than 0:12:47.920 --> 0:12:51.080 a decade for a single ship. So she the first 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:54.240 captain dies, second captain sinks another ship. They run into 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:58.240 some fishing tackle, and then in October of eighteen sixty seven, 0:12:58.320 --> 0:13:01.040 she's running ground in a storm and it's so bad 0:13:01.080 --> 0:13:05.120 off that the owner's sake, we're abandoning here. Yeah, that 0:13:05.200 --> 0:13:07.640 must be pretty bad. So they literally left the ship 0:13:07.720 --> 0:13:11.600 there to decompose or I guess you would call it 0:13:11.679 --> 0:13:15.440 rott if you're Wooden. Sure, I guess would decomposes, right 0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:19.600 or is that just rot? I think rod is more slang, okay, 0:13:19.880 --> 0:13:24.840 and it sounds grosser to like cool, right. Uh. And 0:13:24.880 --> 0:13:27.560 at that point, the ship was bought by dude name 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:31.800 Alexander McBean, also from Nova Scotia, also a great name, 0:13:31.880 --> 0:13:34.199 and then he I mean, the ship is changing hands. Basically, 0:13:34.240 --> 0:13:37.160 he sold that shipwreck. And I guess that was just 0:13:37.200 --> 0:13:40.760 a thing at the time. You would by a shipwreck, 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:45.520 maybe sell it in turn a quick profit, probably not 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:48.079 a ton of money. But he sold that shipwreck to 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:52.480 a dude who then sold it to another dude name 0:13:52.679 --> 0:13:57.520 Richard Haynes. So he paid about fifty bucks for it, 0:13:57.559 --> 0:14:03.240 which is about according to our favorite inflation calculator, which 0:14:03.360 --> 0:14:06.960 is west Egg. That's correct. It's just got a good 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:11.160 name and plus plus it's easy to use, and it's 0:14:11.160 --> 0:14:14.000 been around forever. Yeah, and they're there. I mean I 0:14:14.000 --> 0:14:16.240 think it goes up to now, which is pretty good. 0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:19.440 That's pretty pretty good. They're always just like a year behind, 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:22.040 which I can respect. That's fine. They need the data, 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:26.320 so Haynes went through bankruptcy and that boat was seized, 0:14:26.720 --> 0:14:29.160 and then that was sold to a group led by 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:33.400 a man named James Winchester, and uh, Haynes had fixed 0:14:33.400 --> 0:14:35.400 it up a little bit, but Winchester really put a 0:14:35.440 --> 0:14:38.960 lot of money into it, lengthened it to over a 0:14:39.040 --> 0:14:43.120 hundred feet, added a deck. Basically the show would have 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:49.840 been called Flip This Brigantine starring Vanilla Ice. You like 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:54.239 that one, Huh? I've seen that show? Have you've seen it? 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:57.040 For like five minutes? I'll tell you. I'll tell you this. 0:14:57.040 --> 0:15:00.680 This proves that I relaxed this vacation. You're ready? Yeah? 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:05.560 I got hooked on an Animal Planet show called Insane Pools? 0:15:06.200 --> 0:15:09.200 Have you heard of it? I do watch one of 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:11.000 those pool shows, but I don't think it's that one. 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:14.800 It's another one. I was like, I have to go 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:16.520 to bed now or else I'm gonna be up to 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:20.480 like five am watching this marathon about a pool renovation 0:15:20.560 --> 0:15:23.560 show that has nothing to do with animals. It was. 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:27.680 It was bizarre, how just it just got its hooks 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:29.680 in me? So yeah that that happens from time to 0:15:29.720 --> 0:15:31.240 time with me too. And you know what scares me 0:15:31.280 --> 0:15:33.280 about those pools though, is most of them are just 0:15:33.360 --> 0:15:36.320 amazing and you have like grottos and waterfalls and all 0:15:36.360 --> 0:15:39.920 that cool stuff. But some people opt for those death 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:43.120 tubes where you can like swim through a thing to 0:15:43.240 --> 0:15:46.600 another thing. Oh. I haven't seen one with that yet. Yeah, 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:48.360 they're like, hey, we wanna we want to be able 0:15:48.360 --> 0:15:50.120 to swim through a tube, but to another part of 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:55.240 the pool and potentially, you know, get stuck and die. 0:15:54.680 --> 0:15:57.280 I see it. That would be really awful. I don't 0:15:57.280 --> 0:15:59.480 think that ever happens. So they need to just leave 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:01.280 a stick of butter at the mouth of that thing, 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:03.320 so you can grease yourself up real good as you're 0:16:03.360 --> 0:16:08.440 going through you know, your pool, and just have a 0:16:08.480 --> 0:16:11.680 sheen of butter floating at the top of it kind 0:16:11.680 --> 0:16:13.760 of rots in the sunlight. I worked at a pool 0:16:13.800 --> 0:16:16.400 like that once that It was not butter, but there 0:16:16.440 --> 0:16:18.160 was a sheen. I don't know what it was. I'm 0:16:18.200 --> 0:16:22.120 sure it was some block, Yeah, I guess, so it 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:23.920 has to be. What else is it gonna be? I 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:28.360 don't know. It could be there's probably a little body 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:32.160 fixed in there. But does that cause a rainbow sheen? Oh? 0:16:32.240 --> 0:16:35.960 A rainbow she No, I don't know. What was There 0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:38.320 should not be a rainbow sheen on your pool unless 0:16:38.800 --> 0:16:42.360 you had like pool like swimmers covered in gasoline going 0:16:42.360 --> 0:16:44.520 into your pool. That would explain it all that might 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:48.000 have been it. Alright, So Winchester and by the way, 0:16:48.000 --> 0:16:51.680 Winchester is just the major investor. Uh, there was a 0:16:51.800 --> 0:16:56.640 very notable other investor. And what was his name? Oh, 0:16:56.680 --> 0:16:59.840 you're asking me, it's been a couple of weeks. As 0:16:59.840 --> 0:17:02.880 a sorry about that. You're just staring up in the space. 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:07.119 That was weird. His name was Benjamin Spooner Briggs. That 0:17:07.200 --> 0:17:10.280 you will notice is the dude from Dinner. Yes, so 0:17:10.359 --> 0:17:12.920 he's He's not only the captain of the Mary Celeste, 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:15.280 he was a two fifth stake and investor in it. 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:19.560 And um, what's notable is that at the time he 0:17:19.680 --> 0:17:23.200 invested in the Mary Celeste, he and his brother were 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:27.879 actually considering getting out of the um the sailing game 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:31.560 and and buying a hardware store together in New Bedford, 0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:35.800 mass And instead Briggs said, now you know what, this 0:17:35.920 --> 0:17:38.040 is too good of a deal. This is this is 0:17:38.080 --> 0:17:40.399 a great ship. I'm gonna pour my savings into a 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:42.719 two fifth stake, and not only that, I'll be the 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:46.080 captain of it, and not only that for its maiden voyage. 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:49.879 I'm gonna bring my wife and daughter along with me. Yeah. 0:17:49.880 --> 0:17:52.119 It's one of those sliding doors things like should have 0:17:52.200 --> 0:17:56.840 gone into hardware, Yeah yeah, rather than sailing into history. 0:17:57.440 --> 0:18:00.639 Um So, by the way, that when the ship was 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:04.160 officially renamed the Mary Celeste from the Amazon is when 0:18:04.640 --> 0:18:07.760 it was reregistered, I guess, and I looked it up. 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:10.240 I was kind of curious because there is a Marie Celeste, 0:18:10.760 --> 0:18:13.800 which was a fairly famous World War two or I'm sorry, uh, 0:18:14.160 --> 0:18:17.440 civil worship, and I was just curious where the name 0:18:17.480 --> 0:18:21.000 came from. And nobody really knows, but they said there 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:22.719 is a theory that it was an error by the 0:18:22.720 --> 0:18:25.480 painter because it's an English and a French name and 0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:28.120 it's just a weird mix up to not have been 0:18:28.200 --> 0:18:30.119 Marie and be Mary Celeste. So they think it might 0:18:30.160 --> 0:18:34.760 have been either the Mary Sellers or another Marie Celeste. 0:18:35.600 --> 0:18:39.399 So either way, who knows. Well even today though, like 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:42.320 still there's like some confusion when you if you google 0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:46.240 Mary Celeste, Google says, do you mean Marie Celeste? And 0:18:46.240 --> 0:18:49.280 I say no, Google, I mean Mary Celeste says, do 0:18:49.320 --> 0:18:55.320 you mean Vanilla Ice? Vanilla Ice flipped his pool. Uh 0:18:55.520 --> 0:18:59.120 so Briggs, like you said, brought along his wife, who 0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:00.880 was at dinner, and then their two year old daughter, 0:19:00.920 --> 0:19:05.040 Sophia Matilda. They left a little Arthur behind because he 0:19:05.119 --> 0:19:08.840 was seven and he was in school, and they said, 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:11.359 we don't want to take a little Arthur out of school. No, 0:19:11.640 --> 0:19:15.280 he was already pretty dim witted, so I no, I 0:19:15.280 --> 0:19:20.320 don't know, but they didn't want to interrupt his schooling. 0:19:20.320 --> 0:19:22.480 So they said, Arthur, you stay here with some relatives, 0:19:22.520 --> 0:19:25.880 and they took Sophia Matilda with them. Um, and this 0:19:25.960 --> 0:19:27.919 was a huge decision. I don't know if this is 0:19:27.960 --> 0:19:31.800 unusual or not, but whatever, Briggs said, I'm bringing my 0:19:31.840 --> 0:19:35.320 wife and daughter with me on this this ship on 0:19:35.320 --> 0:19:39.000 on the Maiden voyage. And everyone I know they're like, oh, 0:19:39.040 --> 0:19:42.280 good good, this will be fun. Um, well, we'll not 0:19:42.320 --> 0:19:44.840 only have to work really hard for weeks that see, 0:19:44.920 --> 0:19:47.040 we'll also have to entertain your two year old whenever 0:19:47.080 --> 0:19:52.560 she wants right, and we can't right exactly. So um. 0:19:52.960 --> 0:19:58.720 That decision, though probably had some effects on on the 0:19:58.840 --> 0:20:02.919 voyage overall, definitely had an effect on who Briggs chose 0:20:03.040 --> 0:20:06.440 for the crew. He you know, he had his wife, 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:09.919 his Ardor. He was known as a Christian, an upstanding person, 0:20:10.160 --> 0:20:13.199 apparently didn't drink much, if at all. Um he was 0:20:13.240 --> 0:20:17.480 known as fair, just level headed, and just an overall 0:20:17.560 --> 0:20:21.119 honorable person, not just at sea, but in life you 0:20:21.160 --> 0:20:23.600 know as well back on land. So he was pretty 0:20:23.600 --> 0:20:28.560 well regarded. I'm assuming his wife was equally well regarded. Um, 0:20:28.840 --> 0:20:32.280 and he because his family was on the boat with him, 0:20:32.560 --> 0:20:36.040 he went to some some trouble to make sure that 0:20:36.080 --> 0:20:39.359 the seven crew members that he picked were of upright 0:20:39.480 --> 0:20:42.560 character themselves, that there weren't any shade balls, because you 0:20:42.600 --> 0:20:45.639 don't want any shady sailors out in the middle of 0:20:45.680 --> 0:20:49.200 the Atlantic Ocean with your wife and child. You don't 0:20:49.240 --> 0:20:52.159 want that. So that that is to say that the 0:20:52.359 --> 0:20:55.440 crew of the Mary Celeste on her maiden voyage with 0:20:55.600 --> 0:20:59.199 Benjamin Briggs, his wife and daughter were all pretty pretty 0:20:59.200 --> 0:21:04.119 top notch to act, Yeah, for sure. So Um, they 0:21:04.200 --> 0:21:08.320 set sail. They what they were carrying was about seventeen 0:21:08.400 --> 0:21:12.480 hundred actually sevent one to be exact, barrels of what's 0:21:12.480 --> 0:21:16.600 called de natured alcohol. This is not rum, This is 0:21:16.640 --> 0:21:20.000 not something you're gonna drink. It is undrinkable. It is 0:21:20.040 --> 0:21:23.880 like fuel. Basically, industrial fuel, and they finally sit sail 0:21:23.920 --> 0:21:27.480 in November seven, eighteen seventy two, bound for Italy, bound 0:21:27.480 --> 0:21:31.480 for Genoa. And UM, I think we should probably take 0:21:31.480 --> 0:21:33.600 a break right here. Let's do it, all right, We'll 0:21:33.640 --> 0:22:03.240 be right back about the haunted ghost shoot alright, chuck, um, 0:22:03.280 --> 0:22:09.040 So right, okay, So there's there were there was an investigation, 0:22:09.080 --> 0:22:11.160 as you can imagine. We'll talk about that more later. 0:22:11.200 --> 0:22:16.000 But this investigation determined that probably although they definitely ran 0:22:16.040 --> 0:22:19.280 into some storms and heavy weather here there, but most 0:22:19.359 --> 0:22:24.160 of the voyage of the Mary Celeste was fairly unremarkable overall, right. 0:22:26.040 --> 0:22:29.679 It wasn't they did. It wasn't until the last five 0:22:29.800 --> 0:22:34.280 days before they are suspected to have disappeared, that the 0:22:34.359 --> 0:22:38.440 Mary Celestes voyage turned a little odd or became a 0:22:38.480 --> 0:22:42.160 little unusual. And they figured out that, um, from looking 0:22:42.240 --> 0:22:46.880 at the log books that within that last five days, UM, 0:22:47.040 --> 0:22:51.600 Captain Briggs decided that he really should have seen land 0:22:51.680 --> 0:22:55.000 by by this time. And if you're a captain, in 0:22:55.200 --> 0:22:59.520 your chronometer, which is basically like from what I was 0:22:59.560 --> 0:23:02.600 I was reading about this, it's like a portable time 0:23:02.720 --> 0:23:08.119 zone that you can use for celestial navigation to to 0:23:08.240 --> 0:23:11.920 basically tell exactly where you are in the world. Um, 0:23:11.920 --> 0:23:14.040 it's a very valuable tool to have it. See, but 0:23:14.080 --> 0:23:19.280 if your chronometer is is faulty, you're not necessarily going 0:23:19.320 --> 0:23:22.719 to be where you think you are. So, based on 0:23:22.800 --> 0:23:26.399 his calculations with his chronometer, he thought that they were 0:23:27.160 --> 0:23:30.640 they should have seen land the Azores by then. Um, 0:23:30.720 --> 0:23:34.119 this island chain in in the Atlantic, kind of towards Portugal. 0:23:34.520 --> 0:23:38.119 It's like just like dead west of southern Portugal. Yeah, 0:23:38.160 --> 0:23:41.159 I think the easternmost island of the Azores is like 0:23:41.320 --> 0:23:45.760 four hundred miles west of Portugal something like that. Anyway, 0:23:45.800 --> 0:23:48.520 I can imagine too, but it's I think it's also 0:23:48.600 --> 0:23:51.760 basically in the middle of nowhere in the in the 0:23:51.800 --> 0:23:54.280 mid Atlantic. It's one of those things. Or if you 0:23:55.480 --> 0:23:58.280 do the Google map, you will see these tiny specs 0:23:58.359 --> 0:24:01.480 and nothing but blue. Right, he's gotta start zooming out 0:24:01.520 --> 0:24:03.679 to see where the heck you are, Right, it's like 0:24:03.680 --> 0:24:08.600 the Hawaii of the Atlantic, I think. So he thought 0:24:08.680 --> 0:24:11.159 that he should have seen the Azores by then, and 0:24:11.200 --> 0:24:13.000 he hadn't, so I think he started to get a 0:24:13.000 --> 0:24:17.160 little nervous because they changed course. They went northward, which 0:24:17.200 --> 0:24:20.239 he suspected would have taken him towards the azoris and 0:24:20.320 --> 0:24:23.240 he may have been either looking to kind of um 0:24:23.600 --> 0:24:29.680 uh re re orient himself or just looking for haven. 0:24:30.440 --> 0:24:34.560 Who knows, but they know that that they did change 0:24:34.600 --> 0:24:38.520 course and that he wasn't where that he thought he was. Yeah, 0:24:38.600 --> 0:24:40.840 and I also get the idea, which will job with 0:24:40.840 --> 0:24:43.359 one of the theories is that he may have been 0:24:43.400 --> 0:24:45.840 a little nervous having his two year old and his 0:24:45.880 --> 0:24:49.280 wife aboard in general. Yeah, for sure, you know, I mean, yeah, 0:24:49.320 --> 0:24:51.560 he's not just it's not just his safety now or 0:24:51.600 --> 0:24:53.600 even the safety of the crew. It's his little kid 0:24:53.640 --> 0:24:55.600 and his wife's safety. Of course, he's going to be 0:24:55.640 --> 0:24:58.280 worried about that exactly. Man. I can't imagine having two 0:24:58.359 --> 0:25:01.760 year old on a ship. What a nightmare. Good God, 0:25:03.119 --> 0:25:05.439 it's going to cruise. You can experience it a million 0:25:05.480 --> 0:25:09.840 times over. Yeah, because the cruise ship modernday cruise ship 0:25:09.880 --> 0:25:15.440 is the same as a nineteenth century sailing vessel. It's 0:25:15.440 --> 0:25:20.800 not like there's nothing to do. No, that's true. Although 0:25:20.800 --> 0:25:23.040 they did have a melodeon, which I had to look 0:25:23.040 --> 0:25:25.359 that up as well. It's like an accordion. Yeah, I 0:25:25.359 --> 0:25:28.239 don't see why they call it something different, right, an 0:25:28.240 --> 0:25:33.080 accordion with keys, all right, so on, well, oh, a 0:25:33.080 --> 0:25:38.679 supported as opposed to what the little buttons? Oh, or 0:25:38.720 --> 0:25:42.399 maybe it's the accordion with the buttons. It's one of 0:25:42.400 --> 0:25:44.560 the two. Okay, you know what I'm talking. It's like 0:25:44.600 --> 0:25:47.880 a weird Al Yankovic type instrument. Oh well, we should 0:25:47.920 --> 0:25:49.840 get Aaron Cooper to write us, because he will surely do. 0:25:50.280 --> 0:25:54.240 And they yes, I'm sure he. Um. So they would 0:25:54.240 --> 0:25:56.399 have had that aboard, which would have been all the 0:25:56.560 --> 0:25:59.800 all the pleasure you could imagine. Yeah, like one wouldn't 0:25:59.800 --> 0:26:02.800 all all in an accordion is really kind of keep 0:26:02.800 --> 0:26:05.280 it to year old occupied and the communal salt lick 0:26:06.160 --> 0:26:11.520 in the middle of the above deck. Alright. So uh 0:26:11.880 --> 0:26:14.560 the next morning, Um, they wake up in the Mary 0:26:14.600 --> 0:26:18.359 Celeste actually sees land, which I can imagine if you 0:26:18.400 --> 0:26:22.760 are a seaman out there in the nineteenth century and 0:26:22.760 --> 0:26:25.359 you're a little worried. There's no more welcome sight than 0:26:25.400 --> 0:26:29.639 seeing land, you know, after seeing nothing but water for 0:26:29.640 --> 0:26:33.160 for weeks and weeks. So they see land. The log 0:26:33.200 --> 0:26:37.120 book says they saw land there about six miles from 0:26:37.119 --> 0:26:42.879 Santa Marilla, which is the easternmost of the Azores. And um, 0:26:42.920 --> 0:26:46.240 this was sort of the last stop before you hit Portugal. Right. 0:26:46.560 --> 0:26:49.520 I can't imagine they're like, there's just he just was 0:26:49.560 --> 0:26:53.320 so relieved. So the reason we know this is not 0:26:53.359 --> 0:26:56.600 because anybody on the Mary Celeste told anybody, at least 0:26:56.600 --> 0:27:01.440 not verbally. They they found the law book and the 0:27:01.480 --> 0:27:03.800 log slate, which is kind of like you're you're just 0:27:03.880 --> 0:27:06.520 keeping track of stuff on the slate before you actually 0:27:06.520 --> 0:27:09.320 transcribe it into the log book. And the log slate 0:27:09.440 --> 0:27:12.840 was where they noted that eight am on November twenty five, 0:27:12.960 --> 0:27:17.040 the Maryslist sighted land and by their calculations were six 0:27:17.080 --> 0:27:22.600 miles off of Santa Maria Rights. So that was November. Yes, 0:27:23.040 --> 0:27:27.320 they I guess they just had a nice Thanksgiving. Yeah 0:27:27.359 --> 0:27:31.879 maybe with their salt lick. Now they had food, as 0:27:31.920 --> 0:27:36.560 we will see. Uh So the remember the de Garcia 0:27:36.680 --> 0:27:42.280 de Gatia de Garratia. I think that's it, that last one. 0:27:42.800 --> 0:27:46.200 So the other ship that was being sailed by his buddy, 0:27:46.240 --> 0:27:51.280 Captain Morehouse, remember uh Seamen John Johnson of that ship 0:27:51.359 --> 0:27:55.560 said hey, cappy, uh, there's a there's another ship out here, 0:27:56.240 --> 0:28:00.320 and it's about four miles further east from where that 0:28:00.400 --> 0:28:04.120 log had placed. That ship. The Mary Celeste. Not only 0:28:04.160 --> 0:28:08.600 that it was a good ten or eleven days later, right, 0:28:08.760 --> 0:28:12.040 So this is all spelling trouble. Uh that there are 0:28:12.040 --> 0:28:14.960 only three sails set the rest of the sales or 0:28:15.040 --> 0:28:18.800 had either blown away weren't raised. None of this bodes well. 0:28:18.800 --> 0:28:21.680 And Captain Moorehouse, I don't think he probably recognized from 0:28:21.680 --> 0:28:24.520 that distance that it was the Mary Celeste yet, but 0:28:25.080 --> 0:28:28.800 he sent his first mate Oliver de Vell and second 0:28:28.880 --> 0:28:32.520 mate John Right and another dude and said get in 0:28:32.520 --> 0:28:34.600 that boat row there and see what the heck is 0:28:34.600 --> 0:28:37.879 going on? Right, So these guys to Vote and Right 0:28:37.960 --> 0:28:41.000 were the ones who actually got on deck and and 0:28:41.120 --> 0:28:44.040 investigated the Mary Celeste. And I read this one article 0:28:44.080 --> 0:28:46.600 that I think just put it so perfectly, like just 0:28:46.840 --> 0:28:52.040 ropes creaking, a door kind of banging open and closed 0:28:52.160 --> 0:28:55.840 in in the wind, and just utter silence. As far 0:28:55.880 --> 0:28:59.400 as humans are concerned, nobody on board the ship would 0:28:59.440 --> 0:29:03.000 be so creepy. I think that that Oliver de Vaux 0:29:03.520 --> 0:29:09.480 and John Wright probably experienced one of the creepiest experiences 0:29:09.560 --> 0:29:12.200 that any human ever has in the history of people. 0:29:12.680 --> 0:29:18.640 So is it creepier for Josh Clark Seaman Josh to 0:29:18.640 --> 0:29:24.400 get upon the ship and find nobody aboard, but everything 0:29:24.480 --> 0:29:29.640 seemingly okay, or to see dead bodies in each of 0:29:29.640 --> 0:29:33.920 the bunks it would be okay. So it depends on 0:29:33.960 --> 0:29:35.920 the position of the dead bodies. Are they just kind 0:29:35.920 --> 0:29:38.880 of like crumpled and tossed, like they've been thrown down 0:29:39.440 --> 0:29:42.760 onto the bed or something like that, Like are the 0:29:43.240 --> 0:29:46.040 sitting up at at at the dinner table or sitting 0:29:46.120 --> 0:29:49.200 up in bed or is it a Walt Disney ride, 0:29:49.520 --> 0:29:52.360 That's That's what I'm saying, yeah, Or are they laying 0:29:52.400 --> 0:29:56.440 there with purple robes and nikes Heaven's Gate style. Yeah, 0:29:56.480 --> 0:29:59.640 that would be something as well. So to me, creepier 0:30:00.120 --> 0:30:02.840 is I think no one there. I think it would 0:30:02.840 --> 0:30:06.520 be more horrific to find the bodies, of course, but 0:30:06.640 --> 0:30:10.760 creepier would be um, just finding a ghost chip, I agree. 0:30:10.760 --> 0:30:13.640 I think because there's the absence of something that's supposed 0:30:13.640 --> 0:30:15.680 to be there, and that's I think what what would 0:30:15.680 --> 0:30:18.120 make it so creepy? Well, yeah, and I think the 0:30:18.200 --> 0:30:20.440 thing that really makes it creepy, as we will see, 0:30:20.640 --> 0:30:24.280 is that that was it wasn't like, hey, this ship 0:30:24.320 --> 0:30:27.800 has clearly been pirate id and people there's blood on 0:30:27.840 --> 0:30:30.760 the walls, and people have been killed. There was just nobody. 0:30:30.800 --> 0:30:35.960 There no signs of distressed. Um, the the sex stan, 0:30:36.080 --> 0:30:39.360 the chronomin chronometer. I know it's tougher than you think 0:30:39.400 --> 0:30:43.360 to say the chronometer. Uh, the nav book they were gone, 0:30:43.440 --> 0:30:46.160 but that log book was still there. So basically like 0:30:46.760 --> 0:30:49.280 there was there was food, there was drinking water, There 0:30:49.280 --> 0:30:52.760 were everyone's clothes were there. That little girls to the 0:30:52.760 --> 0:30:55.480 salt look was there? Her two toys were there. Shoot, 0:30:55.520 --> 0:30:58.480 there was the impression from her sleeping on the bed 0:30:58.560 --> 0:31:03.120 in the captain's cabins for creepy it is, Um there 0:31:03.200 --> 0:31:06.200 was there was not. There were no signs of violence. 0:31:06.240 --> 0:31:10.360 There was no signs of like, um, of panic, no 0:31:10.560 --> 0:31:13.080 kind of disorder. I mean, some things were out of order, 0:31:13.280 --> 0:31:14.840 but it was the kind of stuff that you could 0:31:14.880 --> 0:31:17.520 chalk up to a ship drifting at sea for a 0:31:17.560 --> 0:31:23.200 week or so by itself, right, broken compass, like some 0:31:23.320 --> 0:31:25.920 of the some of the sails have been blown down 0:31:26.080 --> 0:31:30.360 onto the deck itself. Um, there was some water in 0:31:30.400 --> 0:31:34.040 there and right. And then one of the things they found, 0:31:34.120 --> 0:31:39.000 which was a pretty big clue was um improvised sounding rod, 0:31:39.240 --> 0:31:41.680 which is basically just a stick with markings on it 0:31:41.760 --> 0:31:45.600 to show feet right. Um. And they that you would 0:31:45.600 --> 0:31:49.040 lower that into the hold to see what where the 0:31:49.080 --> 0:31:51.320 water mark. H It's just to figure out how deep 0:31:51.360 --> 0:31:54.120 water is in a hold. So they clearly knew that 0:31:54.160 --> 0:31:56.080 there was water in the hold because they built the 0:31:56.160 --> 0:31:58.560 sounding rod and it had been found on the deck 0:31:58.640 --> 0:32:01.760 by the two guys from the day Grattia. Yeah, and 0:32:01.760 --> 0:32:03.000 it was only about three and a half feet of 0:32:03.000 --> 0:32:06.000 water by all accounts, and that's not that sounds like 0:32:06.000 --> 0:32:08.000 a lot to a guy like me who's not an 0:32:08.000 --> 0:32:11.480 experienced sailor, but apparently on a ship that size, that's 0:32:11.520 --> 0:32:13.680 like no big whoop. One of the other things that 0:32:13.760 --> 0:32:15.600 ties in with the water too, is they had two 0:32:15.600 --> 0:32:19.840 pumps aboard. One of the pumps was found disassembled, so 0:32:19.920 --> 0:32:22.640 there was basically like these guys came onto the ship 0:32:22.720 --> 0:32:27.840 and there are all these these weird, out of context 0:32:28.000 --> 0:32:31.240 things that were the result of decisions made by people 0:32:31.280 --> 0:32:35.440 who who are now vanished, and they had to to 0:32:35.480 --> 0:32:37.520 try to figure this out. But one of the first 0:32:37.560 --> 0:32:40.120 things that came into their head eventually, I think, when 0:32:40.160 --> 0:32:42.640 they went back to the day Grattia and told more 0:32:42.680 --> 0:32:46.120 House what was going on. Um in pretty short order, 0:32:46.160 --> 0:32:50.840 somebody said, well, we should probably take this ship to 0:32:51.000 --> 0:32:54.320 Gibraltar with us. How about that, Because there's something called 0:32:54.360 --> 0:32:57.480 salvage rights, and whether it was your friend who was 0:32:57.560 --> 0:33:01.360 missing or what have you, you have been pretty foolish 0:33:01.400 --> 0:33:04.640 to have just sure continued on your way and left 0:33:04.680 --> 0:33:08.280 the Mary Celeste. Because what they found pretty quickly, and 0:33:08.360 --> 0:33:11.160 this adds to the mystery itself as well, the Mary 0:33:11.240 --> 0:33:14.720 Celeste was totally saleable. Well yeah, and I don't even 0:33:14.720 --> 0:33:18.640 think we pointed out that all the all the denatured 0:33:18.680 --> 0:33:21.480 alcohol that they were shipping was there and intact, like 0:33:22.080 --> 0:33:25.400 it's not like they had been uh axed into and 0:33:26.520 --> 0:33:31.200 or like what would you pillage exploded or exploded. It 0:33:31.280 --> 0:33:34.080 was all there, All the all the gear on board 0:33:34.160 --> 0:33:36.160 was there. So there was a lot to salvage, in 0:33:36.200 --> 0:33:38.480 other words, because not only can you salvage the ship, 0:33:38.920 --> 0:33:42.120 but the cargo exactly. And what had come out to 0:33:42.240 --> 0:33:44.719 like between forty five and eighty grand and today eight 0:33:44.720 --> 0:33:49.240 dollars is what he could have potentially gotten for salvaging 0:33:49.320 --> 0:33:52.840 this thing. Yeah, because the at the time, the insurers 0:33:52.840 --> 0:33:55.840 owed a reward to whoever salvaged the ship like this 0:33:56.480 --> 0:33:58.720 um and and it could run up to a pcent 0:33:58.760 --> 0:34:01.320 of the value of the cargo or the ship mutual 0:34:01.360 --> 0:34:05.480 of Nova Scotia big good dollars, which I mean, man, 0:34:05.560 --> 0:34:08.760 you want to see a board stuffed with neck beards 0:34:09.560 --> 0:34:17.399 go to that bank. Oh that's good. Um alright, So they, 0:34:17.719 --> 0:34:20.400 like you said, decided to do the smart thing and 0:34:20.440 --> 0:34:22.600 the right thing because and it was his friend, just 0:34:22.680 --> 0:34:25.440 besides the fact that, I mean, anyone would have tried 0:34:25.440 --> 0:34:28.280 to salvage the ship, but it was also his pal. 0:34:28.400 --> 0:34:30.840 So I think that probably had a little to do 0:34:30.920 --> 0:34:33.960 with him saying or maybe it was just all the money. No, 0:34:34.120 --> 0:34:36.000 I think it was both. I'm sure he was concerned. 0:34:36.000 --> 0:34:38.880 I've read accounts that he was. He was concerned by this, 0:34:39.120 --> 0:34:42.919 he said, I very concerned. Yeah, are are are the end? 0:34:43.480 --> 0:34:46.719 So they take this boat. They actually took um. There 0:34:46.760 --> 0:34:49.919 was three guys. One of them was Oliver Davo, who 0:34:50.080 --> 0:34:53.200 was um the first mate of the day Gracia. He 0:34:53.280 --> 0:34:56.879 was in charge of sailing this very important note. Yeah. 0:34:57.120 --> 0:35:01.040 He he sailed with just two other guys, this um 0:35:01.080 --> 0:35:04.200 the Mary Celeste. They pumped out the water from the hold, 0:35:04.600 --> 0:35:08.520 they fixed the sales, and the night of the day 0:35:08.520 --> 0:35:11.920 that they found it, they set sail for Gibraltar and 0:35:12.040 --> 0:35:17.000 just three dudes sailed this thing successfully a thousand kilometers 0:35:17.000 --> 0:35:20.759 from where it was found onto Gibraltar, where they took 0:35:20.800 --> 0:35:26.000 it to the salvage court and said pay up. That's right. 0:35:26.120 --> 0:35:28.120 And this is where things get a little bit weird, 0:35:28.360 --> 0:35:32.640 because there was a man there, the Queen's Proctor in Gibraltar, 0:35:33.120 --> 0:35:36.839 by the name of Frederick Sali flood Man that could 0:35:36.920 --> 0:35:42.120 not be more British, and he basically said, mm hmm, 0:35:42.840 --> 0:35:46.200 this is uh. You said there was nobody there at all. 0:35:46.600 --> 0:35:50.520 There's no explanation for any of this, and you want, uh, 0:35:50.560 --> 0:35:57.880 the equivalent of of eight dollars, thank you, west tag. 0:35:58.480 --> 0:36:00.719 I think I think there was. I think that was 0:36:00.920 --> 0:36:07.840 in their dollars. Two. No, it' says contemporary estimate. Doesn't 0:36:07.840 --> 0:36:13.480 that mean no contemporary at the time? Oh okay, I 0:36:13.520 --> 0:36:16.360 think I think that was an estimate in their dollars. 0:36:16.520 --> 0:36:18.359 Is there such a thing as contemporary at the time? 0:36:18.560 --> 0:36:22.600 Didn't that always mean? Now? I don't know, I gotta 0:36:22.640 --> 0:36:25.720 I could have gotten it wrong. It's entirely possible. Alright, 0:36:26.000 --> 0:36:29.760 Well it's it's and we're just figuring stuff out here, folks, 0:36:29.760 --> 0:36:34.320 so give us a break. So it's in their dollars, 0:36:34.320 --> 0:36:37.000 so I'm almost positive. Okay, Well, at any rate, he 0:36:37.080 --> 0:36:41.800 was solely. Flood said, this is um seems really hinky 0:36:41.840 --> 0:36:46.200 to me, guys, and devote you, sir, since you boarded 0:36:46.200 --> 0:36:49.480 the thing first, you sailed it here, you are the 0:36:49.520 --> 0:36:52.920 star witness in this case. Uh. He gave his testimony. 0:36:52.960 --> 0:36:55.680 It was very clear, nothing weird about it. He was 0:36:55.800 --> 0:36:58.760 very honest because by all accounts, they had nothing to hide. 0:36:59.440 --> 0:37:04.120 And but Sally Floods just was suspicious from the beginning. Yes, 0:37:04.239 --> 0:37:06.759 so much so that during this investigation, and this would 0:37:06.760 --> 0:37:09.880 be like going to probate court and all of a sudden, 0:37:09.920 --> 0:37:15.239 the representative for the state accuses you of murdering your grandma. 0:37:15.320 --> 0:37:18.520 Who's state? Who's the state you're in charge of taking 0:37:18.520 --> 0:37:23.960 through probate and then suddenly there's this murder investigation, right, 0:37:24.200 --> 0:37:28.239 just based on the prosecutors suspicions, right, Well, and then 0:37:28.560 --> 0:37:31.600 he disappeared without a trace. Well, oh yeah, that's a 0:37:31.640 --> 0:37:33.320 big one to you know, I forgot that part. But 0:37:33.600 --> 0:37:36.600 but so that's basically what happened to these guys. So 0:37:36.640 --> 0:37:40.560 they were pretty surprised by this, and Sally Flood launched 0:37:40.560 --> 0:37:45.520 this investigation. They they inspected the Mary Celeste, They found 0:37:45.920 --> 0:37:48.840 marks on this the railing which sally Flood was like, 0:37:48.840 --> 0:37:52.680 these are clearly hatchet marks. There was discoloration on Captain 0:37:52.719 --> 0:37:55.839 Briggs's sword, this is clearly blood. Well it turned out 0:37:55.880 --> 0:37:59.279 that the hatchet marks, the axe marks, were actually from 0:37:59.320 --> 0:38:02.640 the construction and of the um of the ship. That 0:38:02.800 --> 0:38:05.719 was an axe mark. So no violence there. There wasn't 0:38:05.719 --> 0:38:09.160 blood on briggs sword. It was just rust. But um, 0:38:09.200 --> 0:38:12.560 sally Flood was so determined to prosecute these guys that 0:38:12.680 --> 0:38:17.359 he suppressed the test results. Um that that showed that 0:38:17.440 --> 0:38:20.160 this was not blood on the sword, that it was 0:38:20.200 --> 0:38:23.279 actually russ. He really wanted to get these two. Well yeah, 0:38:23.280 --> 0:38:27.160 and here's the deal. I think things really ramped up when, um, 0:38:27.280 --> 0:38:31.520 here's what happened before all of this, like uh, deep investigation. 0:38:32.640 --> 0:38:35.680 Remember that Morehouse still has his ship that was waylaid. 0:38:36.239 --> 0:38:38.520 And so he says, hey, devote, I gotta stay here 0:38:38.560 --> 0:38:41.560 for this thing to collect this dough you keep. You 0:38:41.640 --> 0:38:44.839 just go on to Genoa you've already testified, and take 0:38:44.880 --> 0:38:48.080 our cargo a petroleum because I gotta get this stuff here. 0:38:48.080 --> 0:38:50.759 I'm losing money. And so he did so, and so 0:38:50.840 --> 0:38:53.240 all of a sudden, Solely Flood was like whoa, whoa, whoa, 0:38:53.320 --> 0:38:55.759 he was the he was the number one witness, and 0:38:55.800 --> 0:38:58.800 you've just sent this guy away, so now I'm super 0:38:58.840 --> 0:39:03.279 suspicious up but Devote came back. He was like, what what, 0:39:03.440 --> 0:39:09.640 what's going on? Everybody? So finally, um solid Flood just 0:39:09.719 --> 0:39:13.200 couldn't come up with any evidence of foul play, but 0:39:13.640 --> 0:39:19.000 apparently did raise enough suspicion that the probate judge said, 0:39:19.960 --> 0:39:22.719 you know what, We'll give you guys a reward, but 0:39:23.680 --> 0:39:26.160 it's gonna be like a tenth of what you actually deserved. 0:39:27.000 --> 0:39:31.120 So they got a reward of sevounds um, which was 0:39:31.480 --> 0:39:37.319 jack even in that day. Um, and they they were 0:39:37.960 --> 0:39:39.920 allowed to go on their way. The Mary Celeste was 0:39:39.960 --> 0:39:43.160 finally released in February. This this all begin in December. 0:39:43.760 --> 0:39:47.400 She was released in February to finally carry her cargo 0:39:47.480 --> 0:39:52.759 of alcohol to Genoa for Genoa and um, that would 0:39:52.760 --> 0:39:55.239 have been that. And what's weird is when you think 0:39:55.280 --> 0:39:59.719 about this ghost ship, you just think like, well, obviously 0:39:59.800 --> 0:40:02.400 they they took her out of service or commission. I 0:40:02.520 --> 0:40:05.720 gotta remember, this is a business venture ship in those days, 0:40:05.760 --> 0:40:08.560 just like they are today. It's a business venture and 0:40:08.800 --> 0:40:13.040 business people are not exactly the sentimental types usually, so 0:40:13.320 --> 0:40:15.680 once she got to Genoa, they got a new crew, 0:40:15.920 --> 0:40:18.880 a new captain, and put her right back into service again. 0:40:19.239 --> 0:40:22.600 So as you say, it just is back out there 0:40:22.640 --> 0:40:26.000 on the market again, um, taking cargo around the world. 0:40:26.680 --> 0:40:30.200 And it ran a ground off a reef of Haiti 0:40:30.239 --> 0:40:34.080 and five and this was all. This is just kind 0:40:34.080 --> 0:40:37.720 of a weird ending to this ship that was super 0:40:37.800 --> 0:40:41.160 unlucky or maybe curse who knows. Of course that stuff 0:40:41.160 --> 0:40:46.560 isn't real, but um, it ran aground in Haiti as 0:40:46.880 --> 0:40:50.880 part of this insurance fraud scheme. So they cooked up 0:40:50.920 --> 0:40:54.160 this scheme. Who was the what was the guy's name, 0:40:54.440 --> 0:40:58.600 the captain, Captain Gilman Perkins. All right, so here's what 0:40:58.640 --> 0:41:01.080 he did. He basically it like any insurance fraud you 0:41:01.080 --> 0:41:03.839 could imagine today. Like when I was a kid, there 0:41:03.920 --> 0:41:07.319 was this uh you know, I didn't grow up in 0:41:07.320 --> 0:41:08.960 a big neighborhood. I grew up on a street with 0:41:09.000 --> 0:41:11.200 like seven houses and it was a dirt road until 0:41:11.200 --> 0:41:15.799 I was like twelve. With the murder house. Now, oh 0:41:15.880 --> 0:41:17.880 what murder house? Was it a murder house or a 0:41:17.920 --> 0:41:19.759 haunted house? I can't remember. There was one down the 0:41:19.760 --> 0:41:23.280 street from you that you were scared to death. Oh yeah, 0:41:23.440 --> 0:41:26.640 that this was that. So that one was torn down, 0:41:27.160 --> 0:41:29.120 but a big house was built in its place, but 0:41:29.200 --> 0:41:33.759 the old barn from the murdery haunted house was still there, 0:41:34.320 --> 0:41:36.520 and my brother and I would used to go exploring, 0:41:37.239 --> 0:41:39.839 is what we'll call it now. We basically busted into 0:41:39.840 --> 0:41:42.360 this barn. We're just checking things out one day, and 0:41:42.400 --> 0:41:45.759 then about two weeks later the thing burned down. And 0:41:45.840 --> 0:41:50.640 I remember being a little kid in these insurance detectives, 0:41:51.160 --> 0:41:55.920 that's what they're called. They are now insurance whatever investigators 0:41:56.200 --> 0:42:00.480 I claims investigating. They came by and questioned Scott and 0:42:00.520 --> 0:42:02.359 I were like, what was in that thing? Because this 0:42:02.400 --> 0:42:05.680 guy is claiming like hundreds of thousands of dollars worth 0:42:05.760 --> 0:42:07.879 of I can't remember what all he said was in there, 0:42:07.920 --> 0:42:09.719 and you know, we're a little kids, so we just 0:42:09.760 --> 0:42:11.840 told the truth. We're like, none of that stuff was 0:42:11.920 --> 0:42:15.040 in there. We stole. That was a bunch of old 0:42:15.040 --> 0:42:17.080 foule cabinets and just a bunch of junk. It was 0:42:17.160 --> 0:42:20.000 just like a junk barn. So I'm not even I 0:42:20.080 --> 0:42:21.840 need to ask my mom. I'm not sure whatever happened 0:42:21.880 --> 0:42:24.480 with that, but the guy's probably still in jail because 0:42:24.520 --> 0:42:28.759 of eight year old Chuck good. That's funny. You got 0:42:28.800 --> 0:42:31.719 some guys sent up the river. The law prevailed. But 0:42:31.800 --> 0:42:36.000 that's basically what happened here is this guy purposely wrecks 0:42:36.040 --> 0:42:38.560 the ship and says, man, there was a lot of 0:42:38.600 --> 0:42:41.800 really valuable stuff on board. I was I was toting 0:42:41.840 --> 0:42:44.520 a bunch of bass ale, like the real bass ale 0:42:45.080 --> 0:42:48.120 that we still enjoyed today. Uh. And then what else 0:42:48.160 --> 0:42:51.600 was there was a bunch of really expensive shoes. Cutlery, yeah, 0:42:51.680 --> 0:42:55.239 a bunch of cutlery, fine fish, fine butter. And what 0:42:55.320 --> 0:42:58.080 was in there a bunch of garbage. It was so 0:42:58.080 --> 0:43:00.680 so this guy purposely runs the ship the ground. It's 0:43:00.680 --> 0:43:04.040 insured by five different insurers for a total of thirty 0:43:04.160 --> 0:43:10.920 four grand in eighteen seventy two dollars contemporary dollars. And 0:43:10.920 --> 0:43:15.200 and they probably would have gotten away with this, uh. 0:43:15.320 --> 0:43:19.920 But the captain, Gilman Perkins, went ashore and sold salvage 0:43:20.000 --> 0:43:23.520 rights to this cargo, this fine cargo that was supposedly 0:43:23.560 --> 0:43:28.240 on the ship to a local um salvage person in Haiti. 0:43:29.000 --> 0:43:33.640 And had had he not conn the salvager, then they 0:43:33.719 --> 0:43:36.520 may again they may have gotten away with this. But 0:43:36.600 --> 0:43:39.640 the salvager went aboard to get this to recover this cargo, 0:43:39.719 --> 0:43:43.680 this bass, this um, great butter, great shoes, cutlery, all 0:43:43.680 --> 0:43:47.799 this stuff and found, like you said, just pure nastiness. There. 0:43:49.239 --> 0:43:50.800 There's a bunch of junk, a l A lot of 0:43:50.840 --> 0:43:54.160 the bottles weren't even filled. There were dog collars instead 0:43:54.160 --> 0:43:58.600 of shoes. Yeah, what else. The cutlery, I know, the 0:43:58.600 --> 0:44:02.839 cutlery was dog collar. These boots were old galoshes. Yeah, 0:44:02.840 --> 0:44:07.280 the women's fine shoes. And the butter was the butter 0:44:07.400 --> 0:44:09.560 was rank slush, I think is what it was called. 0:44:09.600 --> 0:44:13.000 So this con this con man or the salvagers like 0:44:13.040 --> 0:44:15.719 I've been conned, and alerts the authorities who get on 0:44:15.760 --> 0:44:17.520 the case and finally track it all the way back 0:44:17.560 --> 0:44:21.120 to Boston and Captain Perkins, the last captain of the 0:44:21.120 --> 0:44:24.400 Mary Celeste. Remember the first captain died, the third or 0:44:24.440 --> 0:44:27.880 fourth captain disappeared, and the last captain of the ship 0:44:27.920 --> 0:44:31.799 is facing the gallows for bearer Tree, which is the 0:44:31.920 --> 0:44:39.040 deliberate destroying of a ship, narrowly avoided being executed for it. Um. 0:44:39.080 --> 0:44:41.520 I think the jury came back seven to five and 0:44:41.560 --> 0:44:45.000 he got off just narrowly avoided being killed for it. 0:44:47.400 --> 0:44:51.000 The the article I read by a guy named Paul Collins. 0:44:51.160 --> 0:44:55.279 Um supposed that the jury just couldn't bring themselves to 0:44:55.360 --> 0:44:59.040 kill a person for an insurance fraud scheme. And that 0:44:59.120 --> 0:45:00.600 was that was it. And now actually a couple of 0:45:00.680 --> 0:45:04.359 years after they changed the law so that Bara Tree 0:45:04.440 --> 0:45:07.680 was no longer a capital offense. Um, but you could 0:45:07.680 --> 0:45:09.440 still get in big trouble for it. But a jury 0:45:09.480 --> 0:45:11.520 would be more likely to convict if it didn't mean 0:45:11.560 --> 0:45:16.239 your death, you know. So the the Mary Celeste run 0:45:16.239 --> 0:45:19.600 aground on this reef met its fate when I guess 0:45:19.760 --> 0:45:23.200 the government of Haiti paid for um it to be 0:45:23.280 --> 0:45:27.200 dowsting kerosene instead of flame. All right, well let's take 0:45:27.200 --> 0:45:28.959 a break and we'll come back and talk a little 0:45:29.000 --> 0:45:31.799 bit about how the legend of the Mary Celeste lived 0:45:31.840 --> 0:45:35.200 on and then what may have actually happened that faithful 0:45:35.280 --> 0:46:04.840 day in November. Alright, So the Mary Celeste, it wasn't 0:46:04.880 --> 0:46:08.880 some huge sensational story of the time. Um. Locally it 0:46:08.920 --> 0:46:11.080 probably got a little news, but it wasn't like, you know, 0:46:11.080 --> 0:46:15.520 it didn't sweep the world. Um. But there was a 0:46:15.560 --> 0:46:20.200 story written by one Sir Arthur Conan Doyle uh called 0:46:20.440 --> 0:46:27.279 j have a cook. Jepson's statement is the worst made 0:46:27.320 --> 0:46:30.400 up name I've ever heard in Cornhill Magazine. Also worst 0:46:30.400 --> 0:46:32.839 magazine name ever. Yeah, but it was like a huge 0:46:32.880 --> 0:46:40.120 magazine at the time. I know it outsold Cornhole Magazine. Right. Uh, 0:46:40.160 --> 0:46:41.960 so he write, he writes a story, and what it 0:46:42.040 --> 0:46:47.799 is is basically this sensationalistic, uh fake account of the 0:46:47.880 --> 0:46:52.120 Mary Celeste. But everyone takes it as real. Yeah, and 0:46:52.200 --> 0:46:55.239 he renamed the ship the Marie Celeste. I don't know 0:46:55.280 --> 0:46:57.440 if it was a mistake on his part or whatever, 0:46:57.920 --> 0:47:00.839 but that also muddies the waters these days too, as 0:47:00.920 --> 0:47:03.360 far as Google searches go. Yeah, so everyone thought this 0:47:03.360 --> 0:47:07.799 thing was real. Um, all these basically presented a bunch 0:47:07.800 --> 0:47:11.359 of things is fact made up a bunch of stuff like, um, 0:47:11.480 --> 0:47:14.719 that the tea was still hot and steaming when they 0:47:14.719 --> 0:47:19.120 climbed aboard, and the beds were still warm, and uh 0:47:19.200 --> 0:47:24.120 it was sailing perfectly and fully sailed, and breakfast was 0:47:24.200 --> 0:47:27.560 half eaten, and like there's a cigar still burning. None 0:47:27.560 --> 0:47:29.759 of this stuff was true. It was all cooked up 0:47:29.800 --> 0:47:32.799 to make the myth just even creepier. But a lot 0:47:32.800 --> 0:47:36.160 of people, even today, I still think that stuff is 0:47:36.239 --> 0:47:39.520 kind of true. Did he did he make all that up? 0:47:39.600 --> 0:47:41.640 Or was it just kind of added to later on. 0:47:41.960 --> 0:47:45.200 Well I think I don't know what exactly he made up, 0:47:45.239 --> 0:47:49.080 but it basically over the years, everyone just started adding 0:47:49.120 --> 0:47:51.640 stuff like that the lifeboat was still there. You know, 0:47:52.360 --> 0:47:55.319 none of that stuff was true. Right, So, Um, all 0:47:55.360 --> 0:47:58.200 of those those facts I'm making scare quotes as you 0:47:58.239 --> 0:48:03.520 can see, Um, they are they they they lend credence 0:48:03.600 --> 0:48:07.480 to like really outrageous solutions to this mystery. Right, Like 0:48:07.560 --> 0:48:10.160 there's been a lot of well some some aren't exactly 0:48:10.160 --> 0:48:13.880 outragious or preposterous, they're just the evidence doesn't support him. 0:48:13.920 --> 0:48:16.839 Some are just totally outrageous, right, So you can kind 0:48:16.840 --> 0:48:22.239 of divide them into different categories, like the natural um phenomenon. 0:48:22.840 --> 0:48:26.600 There could have been a seaquake, um, which I guess happens, 0:48:27.280 --> 0:48:30.120 and that usually disturbs the sea above when the sea 0:48:30.160 --> 0:48:34.680 floor has a massive earthquake, waterspouts, rogue waves. Remember we 0:48:34.719 --> 0:48:39.600 did a really good episode on rogue waves. Um, giant squid, 0:48:39.680 --> 0:48:45.680 giant octopus, which fall under the subcategory sea monster. That's 0:48:45.719 --> 0:48:51.520 the natural stuff sigment the sea monster. Yeah, Um, all right, 0:48:51.560 --> 0:48:57.800 then there's piracy and murder. Uh these just for the 0:48:57.880 --> 0:49:02.040 time would make a little more sense. Um, Like Conan 0:49:02.120 --> 0:49:06.040 Doyle said, uh, that there was an ex slave bent 0:49:06.120 --> 0:49:10.799 on revenge who just wanted to kill white people and 0:49:10.840 --> 0:49:13.280 that was in his story, so that that clearly ramped 0:49:13.280 --> 0:49:15.440 things up. There was a movie in the thirties with 0:49:15.480 --> 0:49:18.880 Bella Legosi that he was one of the crew members 0:49:18.920 --> 0:49:23.960 was a murderous sailor with a hook. Oh really, all right, 0:49:24.080 --> 0:49:28.320 well they always had hooks. Um. Captain Briggs was overcome 0:49:28.360 --> 0:49:32.080 with religious mania, killed everyone in board, including his family, 0:49:32.880 --> 0:49:36.239 then killed himself. Uh. Then there was the mutiny theory 0:49:36.280 --> 0:49:39.480 that everyone got into this alcohol that you couldn't even drink. No, 0:49:39.760 --> 0:49:42.680 he would die like almost immediately. Yeah, and I guess 0:49:42.719 --> 0:49:48.480 just got the drunken murderers, the drunken murder rampage. You 0:49:48.480 --> 0:49:50.080 know what happens when you drink a little, you just 0:49:50.120 --> 0:49:53.399 want to kill right exactly. But do you remember, um, 0:49:53.560 --> 0:49:57.520 I guess in our Prohibition episode, it was shown years 0:49:57.560 --> 0:50:01.960 on that the US government had poison and the bootleg 0:50:02.000 --> 0:50:05.480 hooch supply natured alcohol and people died and went trying 0:50:05.560 --> 0:50:08.239 from it. This is this stuff, Yeah, that's how they 0:50:08.239 --> 0:50:10.839 put into the supply well. And then there's the just 0:50:10.960 --> 0:50:15.359 the kind of mundane pirate pirate try like, hey, this 0:50:15.480 --> 0:50:19.120 was where there were North African pirates, and that's probably 0:50:19.160 --> 0:50:21.200 what happened, is there were it was just a regular 0:50:21.880 --> 0:50:24.839 run of the middle pirate operation. Yeah, but whether it's 0:50:24.880 --> 0:50:28.320 like any kind of violence like a um religious fervor 0:50:28.440 --> 0:50:31.919 or pirates or something like that. There was not any 0:50:32.000 --> 0:50:35.560 sign of struggle. Remember, and the one lifeboat was missing, 0:50:36.200 --> 0:50:40.000 so there it would seem that if they got off 0:50:40.040 --> 0:50:45.280 the ship, they probably got off willingly rather than um 0:50:45.320 --> 0:50:48.520 there having been some sort of violence. Yeah. And then 0:50:48.640 --> 0:50:50.840 the also the two brothers. There are a couple of 0:50:50.880 --> 0:50:55.200 brothers who were to the crew members Volkert and boy Lorenzen, 0:50:56.000 --> 0:50:58.879 and they were suspects for a little while because none 0:50:58.920 --> 0:51:02.600 of their personal possessions were found. What apparently there was 0:51:02.640 --> 0:51:06.560 no motive whatsoever. And a descendant of them said, you know, 0:51:06.600 --> 0:51:09.600 they had lost all their gear and a previous shipwreck, 0:51:10.239 --> 0:51:12.560 so just none of that makes any sense. They were 0:51:12.600 --> 0:51:18.240 good guys, right, so probably was not murder rightly. Plus 0:51:18.280 --> 0:51:21.840 also the idea that the crew had come across another 0:51:21.880 --> 0:51:25.640 ship pirated it turned pirate all of a sudden, uh, 0:51:25.680 --> 0:51:28.719 And we're led by Briggs the idea that and then 0:51:28.800 --> 0:51:31.360 just just took this other ship and set off set 0:51:31.400 --> 0:51:35.200 sail to start a new life elsewhere. Um, it doesn't 0:51:35.200 --> 0:51:37.320 make much sense on its face, but even if you 0:51:37.440 --> 0:51:40.759 dig down just one more degree and remember that they 0:51:40.840 --> 0:51:44.120 left their son Arthur behind. She became an orphan on 0:51:44.200 --> 0:51:47.799 the day that the day Gratia found the Mary Celeste. 0:51:48.320 --> 0:51:51.360 That's even it lends even less credence to to that. 0:51:51.560 --> 0:51:56.440 So yeah, again, he was fairly dim weighted they left 0:51:56.480 --> 0:51:58.560 them behind. Not a very likable kid. He had a 0:51:58.600 --> 0:52:01.879 real temper for no good reason. Didn't like cake. Who 0:52:01.920 --> 0:52:07.600 doesn't like cake? So um the murder piracy or lastly, 0:52:07.840 --> 0:52:14.799 so remember the Captain Moorehouse dined with Captain Briggs and 0:52:14.800 --> 0:52:18.480 his wife the night before they headed out, and then 0:52:18.640 --> 0:52:21.200 Captain Moorehouse is the one who found the ship and 0:52:21.239 --> 0:52:23.799 claimed salvage rights to it. The idea that it was 0:52:23.880 --> 0:52:27.279 fraud and maybe a fraudulent scheme cooked up that one's 0:52:27.280 --> 0:52:31.080 really dismissed too, again by the presence of Arthur. Arthur 0:52:31.160 --> 0:52:35.880 ruined everything. So you can dismiss murder piracy or fraud. Typically, 0:52:37.800 --> 0:52:41.280 what about paranormal Let's go ahead and dismiss that too, Okay, 0:52:41.320 --> 0:52:45.000 because I don't think that the bebun To triangle eight 0:52:45.280 --> 0:52:49.799 them or that aliens. It's aliens, man, I don't think 0:52:49.880 --> 0:52:53.279 that happened. Yeah, that's a big one. Uh So let's 0:52:53.320 --> 0:52:55.400 just go ahead and not even talk about that too 0:52:55.480 --> 0:52:59.200 much because that's dumb. So that that Frederick sally Floods 0:52:59.200 --> 0:53:04.000 obsession with this whole thing at the time contemporarily um 0:53:05.160 --> 0:53:09.200 document presented like the documented evidence we have concerning the case. 0:53:09.239 --> 0:53:11.200 So it's good that he did this, that he was 0:53:11.239 --> 0:53:15.640 gripped by this this paranoia of the suspicion, right, um, 0:53:15.840 --> 0:53:18.000 because we do know some facts about the thing. We 0:53:18.080 --> 0:53:21.040 know that like, like we said, the ship was found 0:53:21.480 --> 0:53:24.759 with just three three sails up and the rest were 0:53:24.760 --> 0:53:28.399 either blown down or unfurled. The lifeboat was missing. There 0:53:28.520 --> 0:53:31.880 was a rope dangling over the side from the back 0:53:31.920 --> 0:53:36.680 of the ship into the water. Nine of the Sevre 0:53:36.840 --> 0:53:41.120 one casks were intact, but we're actually empty, and on 0:53:41.200 --> 0:53:44.840 closer inspection they were made of red oak, which is 0:53:44.880 --> 0:53:47.840 more porous than white oak, which the other seventeen hundred 0:53:47.840 --> 0:53:51.280 and one UM barrels were made of and were intact 0:53:51.320 --> 0:53:54.080 and still full. So we know these things about the 0:53:54.200 --> 0:53:59.080 ship that that that are actually correct, and they've been 0:53:59.480 --> 0:54:02.919 put together other to to kind of create this explanation 0:54:03.040 --> 0:54:07.160 that again isn't definitive, doesn't prove it once and for all. 0:54:07.200 --> 0:54:09.960 What happened that will never happen now, which I love. 0:54:10.920 --> 0:54:14.120 But there's there's a pretty good explanation I think that 0:54:14.200 --> 0:54:17.960 we both kind of agree is is the likeliest explanation. Yeah, 0:54:18.000 --> 0:54:21.719 so those casks that that leaked but did not explode 0:54:21.800 --> 0:54:25.120 or anything. Uh, there could have been a smell. There 0:54:25.160 --> 0:54:29.160 could have been a sound. There could have been just 0:54:29.239 --> 0:54:32.799 some indication that maybe this ship is about to blow 0:54:32.880 --> 0:54:36.080 up or we are in danger. Uh, they had taken 0:54:36.080 --> 0:54:37.879 on a little water that might have played into it. 0:54:38.280 --> 0:54:41.719 But what really everyone thinks played into it is like 0:54:41.719 --> 0:54:43.040 we said at the beginning, was that he had his 0:54:43.080 --> 0:54:46.920 wife and and toddler aboard, so he was taking no chances, 0:54:47.480 --> 0:54:51.000 which would thoroughly explain why they got off of that 0:54:51.080 --> 0:54:54.879 boat really quickly at the very first signs that something 0:54:54.920 --> 0:54:59.000 could be wrong. So that those nine red oak barrels 0:54:59.040 --> 0:55:02.640 that were empty had three hundred gallons of d natured 0:55:02.800 --> 0:55:06.600 highly flammable alcohol in them, it would yeah, it would 0:55:06.600 --> 0:55:10.120 have smelled, It could have created a fireball explosion. Um, 0:55:10.160 --> 0:55:13.080 it could have blown the hatches off it could have 0:55:13.120 --> 0:55:15.399 done a lot of things that that would have made 0:55:15.400 --> 0:55:18.600 a reasonable person, especially when that's also concerned for the 0:55:18.640 --> 0:55:22.279 life of his wife and child, say, the likeliest thing 0:55:22.320 --> 0:55:24.319 we should do here, the most reasonable thing we should 0:55:24.360 --> 0:55:27.560 do here is get off of the ship. So considering 0:55:27.920 --> 0:55:31.680 that there was this alcohol aboard, some of it was missing, um, 0:55:32.120 --> 0:55:35.520 and that the lifeboat was gone, and that the log 0:55:35.600 --> 0:55:39.080 book showed that they were within sight of land the 0:55:39.160 --> 0:55:43.560 last time they had made any kind of entry, supports 0:55:43.600 --> 0:55:46.600 the idea that they had all gotten into the lifeboat 0:55:46.640 --> 0:55:52.359 willingly because probably that alcohol and then the the the 0:55:52.400 --> 0:55:55.040 water that the ship had taken on. Yeah. And apparently 0:55:55.080 --> 0:55:57.319 in two thousand and six it was a study at 0:55:57.440 --> 0:56:00.520 University College of London where they they tried to produce 0:56:01.120 --> 0:56:04.680 what that explosion might have looked like and uh sounded 0:56:04.719 --> 0:56:08.000 like and uh they did it with butchane, So I 0:56:08.040 --> 0:56:10.319 guess is that about the same thing. I don't know 0:56:10.320 --> 0:56:13.400 why they used putane instead of alcohol vapors. I have 0:56:13.480 --> 0:56:17.200 no idea why, but they feel like it was pretty definitive. Yeah, 0:56:17.200 --> 0:56:19.840 And so basically it caused a big brilliant flame and 0:56:20.040 --> 0:56:23.520 made a sound, but because it was this vapor, there 0:56:23.560 --> 0:56:25.839 was no it didn't like burn everything up, It didn't 0:56:25.840 --> 0:56:28.719 scorch anything, There was no soot, There was no evidence. 0:56:29.360 --> 0:56:31.480 So if this would have happened on board this guy's 0:56:31.520 --> 0:56:33.480 got his wife and his toddler, that would have been 0:56:33.600 --> 0:56:36.279 enough to create a panic. And that that's where my 0:56:36.360 --> 0:56:38.799 money is, for sure, for sure. And plus also I 0:56:38.800 --> 0:56:42.360 mean like that that the explosion of the exploding alcohol 0:56:42.440 --> 0:56:44.399 theory had been around for a while but had been 0:56:44.440 --> 0:56:47.200 dismissed because they were like, well, it would have left 0:56:47.239 --> 0:56:49.919 some evidence. But this study showed that no, it could 0:56:49.960 --> 0:56:53.960 have actually blown blown up and scared the heck out 0:56:53.960 --> 0:56:55.919 of these people and gotten him off this boat into 0:56:55.920 --> 0:56:59.359 the lifeboat which they would have had um connected to 0:56:59.400 --> 0:57:03.319 the ship, the Mary Celeste by this four foot or 0:57:03.320 --> 0:57:06.359 four hundred yards. It was a very long rope inch 0:57:06.440 --> 0:57:10.320 thick rope called the Halliard, and they had connected the 0:57:10.360 --> 0:57:13.560 lifeboat to it. And what they supposed happened was that, um, 0:57:13.880 --> 0:57:16.960 they kept a few of the sales down, some of 0:57:16.960 --> 0:57:21.280 them still furled uh to let the ship keep going, 0:57:21.360 --> 0:57:23.480 but at a slow pace because it was going to 0:57:23.600 --> 0:57:25.080 they were going to have to ride behind it for 0:57:25.120 --> 0:57:28.800 an indefinite period of time. And that the wind caught 0:57:28.800 --> 0:57:32.400 it just right, sped the ship up, snapped the line, 0:57:32.880 --> 0:57:36.240 and then within an hour the lifeboat was adrift with 0:57:36.280 --> 0:57:38.880 the Mary Celeste out of sight. So was the idea 0:57:38.960 --> 0:57:42.160 that they got in the boat attached with the rope 0:57:42.200 --> 0:57:44.600 attached to just say, hey, let's like get away from 0:57:44.600 --> 0:57:47.600 it and see what happens here. Yes, okay, And then 0:57:47.960 --> 0:57:50.680 and then it just starts going. The rope is gone, 0:57:50.760 --> 0:57:53.360 and then they're like, well, I can't catch it now, right, 0:57:53.760 --> 0:57:55.760 And and they would have been left a drift at 0:57:55.760 --> 0:58:00.800 sea um to die, which is what everybody thinks happened. Yeah, 0:58:00.840 --> 0:58:04.360 And I guess at the time there would be uh, 0:58:04.480 --> 0:58:08.800 unless I got really lucky or unlucky in the rowboat 0:58:08.840 --> 0:58:14.520 eventually uh washed ashore somewhere. They would just be no trace, right, Yes, 0:58:14.800 --> 0:58:17.400 they just were fish food. Yeah. I mean if they're 0:58:17.400 --> 0:58:20.560 out in the Atlantic, especially if they just six miles 0:58:20.560 --> 0:58:22.840 away from an island that's in the middle of nowhere. 0:58:22.880 --> 0:58:26.400 It's pretty pretty middle of nowhere. So if you're in 0:58:26.440 --> 0:58:29.080 a small boat there, you would you it would be 0:58:29.160 --> 0:58:32.439 very easy to vanish without a trace forever. I bet that, 0:58:32.960 --> 0:58:35.400 like that story is the sad one is what those 0:58:35.440 --> 0:58:42.320 final days were like. Yes, that kid. Yeah, heartbreaking. So uh, 0:58:42.800 --> 0:58:47.080 that's the story of the Mary Celeste. Good job, good job, 0:58:47.160 --> 0:58:49.080 you Chuck. I feel like we kicked the rest off 0:58:49.080 --> 0:58:51.800 the sword on this one. If you want to know 0:58:51.840 --> 0:58:54.280 more about the Mary Celeste, there is plenty more to 0:58:54.360 --> 0:58:57.800 dig into. This is a nice rabbit hole to jump down. 0:58:57.800 --> 0:58:59.840 If you want to do that kind of thing. Just 0:59:00.040 --> 0:59:03.240 go search Google. Say no, Google, I mean Mary Celeste 0:59:03.720 --> 0:59:06.760 and uh started off. You'll have fun and in the 0:59:06.880 --> 0:59:11.840 In the meantime, it's time for listener, ma'am, I'm gonna 0:59:11.880 --> 0:59:15.520 call this local listener. 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