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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from House Stuff Works

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Speaker 1: dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark,

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Speaker 1: and there's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, and there's Jerry Rowland.

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Speaker 1: The Triumvirate, the hat Trick, the Trio, the triage trifecta French.

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Speaker 1: There you go? Is that Latin M? I don't know

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Speaker 1: if I just know it as a gambling term. Well,

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Speaker 1: whatever it is, it's stuff you should know. Hey, Happy

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Speaker 1: New Year, Happy New Year to YouTube buddy, Happy new Year, Jerry.

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Speaker 1: Uh so in real time. This is our first recording.

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Speaker 1: Uh I know this always feels a little bit weird

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Speaker 1: when we say things like happy New Year, and what

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Speaker 1: February late January? No, it's like next week we ate

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Speaker 1: up the kiddie. Did we get that slim? Oh? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: during our long break which was wonderful. Yeah, it was

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Speaker 1: so nice, Chuck, I actually get this relaxed. Yes it was.

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Speaker 1: I did I unwound. I My cortisol levels decreased, although

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Speaker 1: the spare tire didn't actually go down with it. It

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Speaker 1: was replaced by frosting. Um my webcam begs to differ

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Speaker 1: because I was peeking in on you. The whole time. Well, okay,

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Speaker 1: I did a lot of work, but I did relax

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Speaker 1: in between. I saw you pacing wondering what to do

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Speaker 1: with myself, clipping orkids, clipping orchids. Man, my orchids are

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Speaker 1: doing so well right now. It's super cold out of course,

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Speaker 1: right but I've got to keep them outside because they

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Speaker 1: have a bit of an ant advest station. Haven't figured

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Speaker 1: out how to do anything about that one yet, but

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Speaker 1: I built like a little impromptu cold frame around him,

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Speaker 1: and I have a mini croc pot warming water inside

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Speaker 1: the cold frame. So to the orchids. They're in Ecuador

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Speaker 1: right now during the rainy season. It's like ounsizing. Have

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Speaker 1: you seen that yet? No? That means nothing to you? Then, No,

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Speaker 1: it's I have no idea what you're talking about. What

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Speaker 1: you have to tell me now? What is it? Well,

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Speaker 1: it's that new movie, the new Alexander Paine movie with

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Speaker 1: Matt Damon. Does that have to do with or kids?

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Speaker 1: Has to do with Ecuador? Shrinking people down and living

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Speaker 1: in miniature Oh that sounds kind of cool. So they'll

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Speaker 1: be like a miniature crock pot. That's what got me

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Speaker 1: on that tangent. Did you ever see that documentary. I'm

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Speaker 1: sorry everybody who wants to stay on track, But just

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Speaker 1: one more thing. Did you ever see that documentary Chuck

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Speaker 1: about the the woman who created miniature crime scenes for

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Speaker 1: UM like police to study and learn from. No, you

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Speaker 1: should check it out. It was it was this lady

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Speaker 1: who did exactly what I just said. They made a

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Speaker 1: documentary about her and how much these things have actually

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Speaker 1: helped teach techniques and how radical a change it was,

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Speaker 1: and presumption of guilt and that kind of thing. You

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Speaker 1: know how much I love many of your things, though,

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Speaker 1: well you would love this. I'm surprised you haven't seen it. Then, No,

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Speaker 1: because what was I think it was in UM Chicago,

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Speaker 1: the museum in Chicago and the downstairs I want to

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Speaker 1: say basement, but whatever, the lowest floor is. They have

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Speaker 1: the works of the woman who created all the miniature

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Speaker 1: UM house interiors and it's just like I could have

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Speaker 1: spent all day in there. Yeah, I'll bet so, You're

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Speaker 1: amazing you would. I know some there is something about

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Speaker 1: things that are really small, things that are really small,

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Speaker 1: and things that were once above ground that are now underwater.

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Speaker 1: Have you you ever get the little uh, a little

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Speaker 1: tiny Tabasco bottle. M I just want to hug it.

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Speaker 1: It's about as prized the Tabasco bottle as you can get. Man,

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Speaker 1: I love small stuff like that. Yeah, well I know

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Speaker 1: what you're getting next Christmas. Some tiny yeah, well some

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Speaker 1: tiny tabascosy. I'm gonna be like, hug these, give me

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Speaker 1: a small anything. Okay, good to know, good to know. Alright,

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Speaker 1: so let's talk. Let's wrap all right. You know I

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Speaker 1: love me a mystery chuck. I think you do too. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is a good one. The ghost ship. When you yeah,

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Speaker 1: when you cross mystery with history, it's it just blows

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Speaker 1: up the spot, The whole spot blows up. And that's

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Speaker 1: what this one is like. I remember learning about the

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Speaker 1: Mary Celestack when I was a young Tyke probably filmed that,

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Speaker 1: like Time Life Unexplained Phenomena series. I'm pretty sure that's right. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: They were great. They were just chuck full of just

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Speaker 1: outright lies and and mistaken facts and things like that,

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Speaker 1: but they were perfect for like a little ten year

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Speaker 1: old imagination. You know, you were tiny. What do you

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Speaker 1: mean you were tiny? Ten year old? Your imagination was

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Speaker 1: I'm going in reversal, or I was skinny ten year old?

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Speaker 1: it's just division little kind of chuvy ten year old

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Speaker 1: Josh sitting there reading a time life book, learning about

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Speaker 1: the Mary Celeste This, like you said, ghost ship and

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Speaker 1: just my hair standing up on and going, this is

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Speaker 1: what a great universe to live in, Yeah, where there

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Speaker 1: can be ghost ships? Right, yeah, and we'll get to uh,

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Speaker 1: at the end, we will reveal the big well, no

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Speaker 1: one knows for sure what happened, but no, um, we'll

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Speaker 1: get to what the best guess is at the very end.

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Speaker 1: Or should we just say that right now? No, No,

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Speaker 1: it be weird. I think no, I think that, but

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Speaker 1: I subscribe to the best guess as we'll see. All right,

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Speaker 1: so way back machine time, right, but this is our

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Speaker 1: our seafaring version. Well, no, we're going to old New York. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so we don't need to get wet yet. No, not yet.

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Speaker 1: We're Daniel day Lewis reigned Supreme. Have you seen that yet? Oh? No,

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Speaker 1: you talking about the gangs of New York, New York,

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Speaker 1: about these movies? That's my job, dude. Oh yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 1: Um yea that I don't think that movie is even

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Speaker 1: out yet, actually, at least not in Atlanta. You know,

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Speaker 1: we're like a second second tier city. Yeah, that's true,

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Speaker 1: but I suspect not for long because I think Atlanta

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Speaker 1: film production goes. Have you heard that? I could certainly

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Speaker 1: believe it. Yeah. So does that mean we're second tier

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Speaker 1: in l A's third tier? Maybe so A two point five. Alright,

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Speaker 1: So are you talking early November eight seventy two, Yes,

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Speaker 1: November four, to be exact, on Monday? Are you talking

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Speaker 1: about the Astor House in New York City, New York? Yeah? Man,

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Speaker 1: And this is at a time where like, have you

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Speaker 1: ever read Devil in the White City? Now, man, I

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Speaker 1: still have not read that. You should read. It's pretty good.

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Speaker 1: But one of the things that the book does is

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Speaker 1: it reproduces end us from these dinners that they had

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Speaker 1: like they had chapters. Basically, they'd smoke cigarettes in the middle.

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Speaker 1: they would eat. So I can imagine the food was

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Speaker 1: but everything back then was like crown roast and rack

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Speaker 1: at this dinner table, we have um a few people.

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Speaker 1: We have one captain David Moorehouse, and then his buddy

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Speaker 1: he was a ship's captain. His buddy another ship's captain,

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Speaker 1: because you know, they didn't hang out with one another,

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Speaker 1: um captain Captain Benjamin Spooner Briggs. Uh. And they're sitting

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Speaker 1: In other words, but they were good buddies, both captains

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Speaker 1: so they may have known each other. There a couple

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Speaker 1: November four, eight two totally unremarkable in most senses, right,

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Speaker 1: tell him why, Well, because more houses ship the h

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Speaker 1: is it Digratia, I think, So okay, we'll call it

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Speaker 1: to the specifics of how this happened a second. But

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Speaker 1: by all accounts was probably like, hey, that's uh, that's Briggs.

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Speaker 1: because nobody aboard the ship was aboard the ship. No,

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Speaker 1: I mean, just seeing the ship would have called him

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Speaker 1: this day was born that day. That is correct, all right,

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Speaker 1: So the Mary Celeste very famous ghost ship. But what

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Speaker 1: a lot of people don't know, Chuck, is that even

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Speaker 1: was already considered pretty unlucky. Actually. Yeah, so eighteen sixty

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Speaker 1: timber to London across the Atlantic. Yeah, that's what she

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Speaker 1: and he apparently had had a cold, and when they

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Speaker 1: worse than that. Right, Yeah, so this this, but think

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Speaker 1: um superstitious, bunt, right, So a maiden voyage, anything that's

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Speaker 1: automatically cursed ship. So the captain dying on a maiden

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Speaker 1: voyage that can't even be completed, that's a cursed ship

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Speaker 1: captain number two was John Nutting Parker, great name is

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Speaker 1: a good name, and he also sailed to London. And

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Speaker 1: So again, this is a business venture. The owners said, whatever,

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Speaker 1: it's going to cruise. You can experience it a million

422
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 1: times over. Yeah, because the cruise ship modernday cruise ship

423
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:15,440
Speaker 1: is the same as a nineteenth century sailing vessel. It's

424
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 1: not like there's nothing to do. No, that's true. Although

425
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 1: they did have a melodeon, which I had to look

426
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 1: that up as well. It's like an accordion. Yeah, I

427
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,239
Speaker 1: don't see why they call it something different, right, an

428
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 1: accordion with keys, all right, so on, well, oh, a

429
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:38,679
Speaker 1: supported as opposed to what the little buttons? Oh, or

430
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 1: maybe it's the accordion with the buttons. It's one of

431
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 1: the two. Okay, you know what I'm talking. It's like

432
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,880
Speaker 1: a weird Al Yankovic type instrument. Oh well, we should

433
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 1: get Aaron Cooper to write us, because he will surely do.

434
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 1: And they yes, I'm sure he. Um. So they would

435
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 1: have had that aboard, which would have been all the

436
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 1: all the pleasure you could imagine. Yeah, like one wouldn't

437
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 1: all all in an accordion is really kind of keep

438
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: it to year old occupied and the communal salt lick

439
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 1: in the middle of the above deck. Alright. So uh

440
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 1: the next morning, Um, they wake up in the Mary

441
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 1: Celeste actually sees land, which I can imagine if you

442
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 1: are a seaman out there in the nineteenth century and

443
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 1: you're a little worried. There's no more welcome sight than

444
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 1: seeing land, you know, after seeing nothing but water for

445
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 1: for weeks and weeks. So they see land. The log

446
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:37,120
Speaker 1: book says they saw land there about six miles from

447
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 1: Santa Marilla, which is the easternmost of the Azores. And um,

448
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 1: this was sort of the last stop before you hit Portugal. Right.

449
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 1: I can't imagine they're like, there's just he just was

450
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 1: so relieved. So the reason we know this is not

451
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 1: because anybody on the Mary Celeste told anybody, at least

452
00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 1: not verbally. They they found the law book and the

453
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: log slate, which is kind of like you're you're just

454
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: keeping track of stuff on the slate before you actually

455
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: transcribe it into the log book. And the log slate

456
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 1: was where they noted that eight am on November twenty five,

457
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 1: the Maryslist sighted land and by their calculations were six

458
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: miles off of Santa Maria Rights. So that was November. Yes,

459
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: they I guess they just had a nice Thanksgiving. Yeah

460
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 1: maybe with their salt lick. Now they had food, as

461
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: we will see. Uh So the remember the de Garcia

462
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: de Gatia de Garratia. I think that's it, that last one.

463
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 1: So the other ship that was being sailed by his buddy,

464
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 1: Captain Morehouse, remember uh Seamen John Johnson of that ship

465
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 1: said hey, cappy, uh, there's a there's another ship out here,

466
00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 1: and it's about four miles further east from where that

467
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:04,120
Speaker 1: log had placed. That ship. The Mary Celeste. Not only

468
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: that it was a good ten or eleven days later, right,

469
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: So this is all spelling trouble. Uh that there are

470
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: only three sails set the rest of the sales or

471
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: had either blown away weren't raised. None of this bodes well.

472
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 1: And Captain Moorehouse, I don't think he probably recognized from

473
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 1: that distance that it was the Mary Celeste yet, but

474
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: he sent his first mate Oliver de Vell and second

475
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 1: mate John Right and another dude and said get in

476
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: that boat row there and see what the heck is

477
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 1: going on? Right, So these guys to Vote and Right

478
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: were the ones who actually got on deck and and

479
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: investigated the Mary Celeste. And I read this one article

480
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: that I think just put it so perfectly, like just

481
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: ropes creaking, a door kind of banging open and closed

482
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: in in the wind, and just utter silence. As far

483
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: as humans are concerned, nobody on board the ship would

484
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: be so creepy. I think that that Oliver de Vaux

485
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: and John Wright probably experienced one of the creepiest experiences

486
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: that any human ever has in the history of people.

487
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: So is it creepier for Josh Clark Seaman Josh to

488
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: get upon the ship and find nobody aboard, but everything

489
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: seemingly okay, or to see dead bodies in each of

490
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: the bunks it would be okay. So it depends on

491
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: the position of the dead bodies. Are they just kind

492
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: of like crumpled and tossed, like they've been thrown down

493
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: onto the bed or something like that, Like are the

494
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 1: sitting up at at at the dinner table or sitting

495
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: up in bed or is it a Walt Disney ride,

496
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: That's That's what I'm saying, yeah, Or are they laying

497
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: there with purple robes and nikes Heaven's Gate style. Yeah,

498
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: that would be something as well. So to me, creepier

499
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: is I think no one there. I think it would

500
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: be more horrific to find the bodies, of course, but

501
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: creepier would be um, just finding a ghost chip, I agree.

502
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: I think because there's the absence of something that's supposed

503
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 1: to be there, and that's I think what what would

504
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: make it so creepy? Well, yeah, and I think the

505
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: thing that really makes it creepy, as we will see,

506
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: is that that was it wasn't like, hey, this ship

507
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: has clearly been pirate id and people there's blood on

508
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 1: the walls, and people have been killed. There was just nobody.

509
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 1: There no signs of distressed. Um, the the sex stan,

510
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: the chronomin chronometer. I know it's tougher than you think

511
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: to say the chronometer. Uh, the nav book they were gone,

512
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 1: but that log book was still there. So basically like

513
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: there was there was food, there was drinking water, There

514
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 1: were everyone's clothes were there. That little girls to the

515
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 1: salt look was there? Her two toys were there. Shoot,

516
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 1: there was the impression from her sleeping on the bed

517
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: in the captain's cabins for creepy it is, Um there

518
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: was there was not. There were no signs of violence.

519
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: There was no signs of like, um, of panic, no

520
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: kind of disorder. I mean, some things were out of order,

521
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: but it was the kind of stuff that you could

522
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: chalk up to a ship drifting at sea for a

523
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: week or so by itself, right, broken compass, like some

524
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 1: of the some of the sails have been blown down

525
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: onto the deck itself. Um, there was some water in

526
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: there and right. And then one of the things they found,

527
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: which was a pretty big clue was um improvised sounding rod,

528
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: which is basically just a stick with markings on it

529
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: to show feet right. Um. And they that you would

530
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: lower that into the hold to see what where the

531
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: water mark. H It's just to figure out how deep

532
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: water is in a hold. So they clearly knew that

533
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: there was water in the hold because they built the

534
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: sounding rod and it had been found on the deck

535
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: by the two guys from the day Grattia. Yeah, and

536
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: it was only about three and a half feet of

537
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: water by all accounts, and that's not that sounds like

538
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: a lot to a guy like me who's not an

539
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: experienced sailor, but apparently on a ship that size, that's

540
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: like no big whoop. One of the other things that

541
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: ties in with the water too, is they had two

542
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: pumps aboard. One of the pumps was found disassembled, so

543
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: there was basically like these guys came onto the ship

544
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: and there are all these these weird, out of context

545
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: things that were the result of decisions made by people

546
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: who who are now vanished, and they had to to

547
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: try to figure this out. But one of the first

548
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: things that came into their head eventually, I think, when

549
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: they went back to the day Grattia and told more

550
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: House what was going on. Um in pretty short order,

551
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: somebody said, well, we should probably take this ship to

552
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: Gibraltar with us. How about that, Because there's something called

553
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 1: salvage rights, and whether it was your friend who was

554
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: missing or what have you, you have been pretty foolish

555
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: to have just sure continued on your way and left

556
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: the Mary Celeste. Because what they found pretty quickly, and

557
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: this adds to the mystery itself as well, the Mary

558
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: Celeste was totally saleable. Well yeah, and I don't even

559
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: think we pointed out that all the all the denatured

560
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: alcohol that they were shipping was there and intact, like

561
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: it's not like they had been uh axed into and

562
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: or like what would you pillage exploded or exploded. It

563
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: was all there, All the all the gear on board

564
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: was there. So there was a lot to salvage, in

565
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 1: other words, because not only can you salvage the ship,

566
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: but the cargo exactly. And what had come out to

567
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,719
Speaker 1: like between forty five and eighty grand and today eight

568
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: dollars is what he could have potentially gotten for salvaging

569
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: this thing. Yeah, because the at the time, the insurers

570
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: owed a reward to whoever salvaged the ship like this

571
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: um and and it could run up to a pcent

572
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: of the value of the cargo or the ship mutual

573
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 1: of Nova Scotia big good dollars, which I mean, man,

574
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,760
Speaker 1: you want to see a board stuffed with neck beards

575
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:17,399
Speaker 1: go to that bank. Oh that's good. Um alright, So they,

576
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 1: like you said, decided to do the smart thing and

577
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: the right thing because and it was his friend, just

578
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 1: besides the fact that, I mean, anyone would have tried

579
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,280
Speaker 1: to salvage the ship, but it was also his pal.

580
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 1: So I think that probably had a little to do

581
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: with him saying or maybe it was just all the money. No,

582
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: I think it was both. I'm sure he was concerned.

583
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 1: I've read accounts that he was. He was concerned by this,

584
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,919
Speaker 1: he said, I very concerned. Yeah, are are are the end?

585
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 1: So they take this boat. They actually took um. There

586
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,919
Speaker 1: was three guys. One of them was Oliver Davo, who

587
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: was um the first mate of the day Gracia. He

588
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,879
Speaker 1: was in charge of sailing this very important note. Yeah.

589
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: He he sailed with just two other guys, this um

590
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: the Mary Celeste. They pumped out the water from the hold,

591
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: they fixed the sales, and the night of the day

592
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 1: that they found it, they set sail for Gibraltar and

593
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: just three dudes sailed this thing successfully a thousand kilometers

594
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 1: from where it was found onto Gibraltar, where they took

595
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: it to the salvage court and said pay up. That's right.

596
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: And this is where things get a little bit weird,

597
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: because there was a man there, the Queen's Proctor in Gibraltar,

598
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 1: by the name of Frederick Sali flood Man that could

599
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: not be more British, and he basically said, mm hmm,

600
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: this is uh. You said there was nobody there at all.

601
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: There's no explanation for any of this, and you want, uh,

602
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 1: the equivalent of of eight dollars, thank you, west tag.

603
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 1: I think I think there was. I think that was

604
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 1: in their dollars. Two. No, it' says contemporary estimate. Doesn't

605
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: that mean no contemporary at the time? Oh okay, I

606
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 1: think I think that was an estimate in their dollars.

607
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 1: Is there such a thing as contemporary at the time?

608
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 1: Didn't that always mean? Now? I don't know, I gotta

609
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,720
Speaker 1: I could have gotten it wrong. It's entirely possible. Alright,

610
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,760
Speaker 1: Well it's it's and we're just figuring stuff out here, folks,

611
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:34,320
Speaker 1: so give us a break. So it's in their dollars,

612
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: so I'm almost positive. Okay, Well, at any rate, he

613
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:41,800
Speaker 1: was solely. Flood said, this is um seems really hinky

614
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: to me, guys, and devote you, sir, since you boarded

615
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: the thing first, you sailed it here, you are the

616
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: star witness in this case. Uh. He gave his testimony.

617
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: It was very clear, nothing weird about it. He was

618
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,760
Speaker 1: very honest because by all accounts, they had nothing to hide.

619
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: And but Sally Floods just was suspicious from the beginning. Yes,

620
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 1: so much so that during this investigation, and this would

621
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 1: be like going to probate court and all of a sudden,

622
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 1: the representative for the state accuses you of murdering your grandma.

623
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: Who's state? Who's the state you're in charge of taking

624
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: through probate and then suddenly there's this murder investigation, right,

625
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 1: just based on the prosecutors suspicions, right, Well, and then

626
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: he disappeared without a trace. Well, oh yeah, that's a

627
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 1: big one to you know, I forgot that part. But

628
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: but so that's basically what happened to these guys. So

629
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: they were pretty surprised by this, and Sally Flood launched

630
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: this investigation. They they inspected the Mary Celeste, They found

631
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 1: marks on this the railing which sally Flood was like,

632
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: these are clearly hatchet marks. There was discoloration on Captain

633
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 1: Briggs's sword, this is clearly blood. Well it turned out

634
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 1: that the hatchet marks, the axe marks, were actually from

635
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: the construction and of the um of the ship. That

636
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: was an axe mark. So no violence there. There wasn't

637
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: blood on briggs sword. It was just rust. But um,

638
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: sally Flood was so determined to prosecute these guys that

639
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:17,359
Speaker 1: he suppressed the test results. Um that that showed that

640
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: this was not blood on the sword, that it was

641
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 1: actually russ. He really wanted to get these two. Well yeah,

642
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: and here's the deal. I think things really ramped up when, um,

643
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: here's what happened before all of this, like uh, deep investigation.

644
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: Remember that Morehouse still has his ship that was waylaid.

645
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: And so he says, hey, devote, I gotta stay here

646
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: for this thing to collect this dough you keep. You

647
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,839
Speaker 1: just go on to Genoa you've already testified, and take

648
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: our cargo a petroleum because I gotta get this stuff here.

649
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 1: I'm losing money. And so he did so, and so

650
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,240
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, Solely Flood was like whoa, whoa, whoa,

651
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 1: he was the he was the number one witness, and

652
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,800
Speaker 1: you've just sent this guy away, so now I'm super

653
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 1: suspicious up but Devote came back. He was like, what what,

654
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: what's going on? Everybody? So finally, um solid Flood just

655
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: couldn't come up with any evidence of foul play, but

656
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 1: apparently did raise enough suspicion that the probate judge said,

657
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 1: you know what, We'll give you guys a reward, but

658
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: it's gonna be like a tenth of what you actually deserved.

659
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: So they got a reward of sevounds um, which was

660
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 1: jack even in that day. Um, and they they were

661
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 1: allowed to go on their way. The Mary Celeste was

662
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: finally released in February. This this all begin in December.

663
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 1: She was released in February to finally carry her cargo

664
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: of alcohol to Genoa for Genoa and um, that would

665
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: have been that. And what's weird is when you think

666
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 1: about this ghost ship, you just think like, well, obviously

667
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 1: they they took her out of service or commission. I

668
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,720
Speaker 1: gotta remember, this is a business venture ship in those days,

669
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: just like they are today. It's a business venture and

670
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: business people are not exactly the sentimental types usually, so

671
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: once she got to Genoa, they got a new crew,

672
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 1: a new captain, and put her right back into service again.

673
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: So as you say, it just is back out there

674
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 1: on the market again, um, taking cargo around the world.

675
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 1: And it ran a ground off a reef of Haiti

676
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: and five and this was all. This is just kind

677
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:37,720
Speaker 1: of a weird ending to this ship that was super

678
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 1: unlucky or maybe curse who knows. Of course that stuff

679
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: isn't real, but um, it ran aground in Haiti as

680
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 1: part of this insurance fraud scheme. So they cooked up

681
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: this scheme. Who was the what was the guy's name,

682
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: the captain, Captain Gilman Perkins. All right, so here's what

683
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: he did. He basically it like any insurance fraud you

684
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 1: could imagine today. Like when I was a kid, there

685
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 1: was this uh you know, I didn't grow up in

686
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: a big neighborhood. I grew up on a street with

687
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: like seven houses and it was a dirt road until

688
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 1: I was like twelve. With the murder house. Now, oh

689
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 1: what murder house? Was it a murder house or a

690
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 1: haunted house? I can't remember. There was one down the

691
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:23,280
Speaker 1: street from you that you were scared to death. Oh yeah,

692
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: that this was that. So that one was torn down,

693
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: but a big house was built in its place, but

694
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 1: the old barn from the murdery haunted house was still there,

695
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: and my brother and I would used to go exploring,

696
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,839
Speaker 1: is what we'll call it now. We basically busted into

697
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 1: this barn. We're just checking things out one day, and

698
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 1: then about two weeks later the thing burned down. And

699
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: I remember being a little kid in these insurance detectives,

700
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: that's what they're called. They are now insurance whatever investigators

701
00:41:56,200 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: I claims investigating. They came by and questioned Scott and

702
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,359
Speaker 1: I were like, what was in that thing? Because this

703
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: guy is claiming like hundreds of thousands of dollars worth

704
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,879
Speaker 1: of I can't remember what all he said was in there,

705
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 1: and you know, we're a little kids, so we just

706
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 1: told the truth. We're like, none of that stuff was

707
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: in there. We stole. That was a bunch of old

708
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: foule cabinets and just a bunch of junk. It was

709
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: just like a junk barn. So I'm not even I

710
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 1: need to ask my mom. I'm not sure whatever happened

711
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: with that, but the guy's probably still in jail because

712
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 1: of eight year old Chuck good. That's funny. You got

713
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 1: some guys sent up the river. The law prevailed. But

714
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: that's basically what happened here is this guy purposely wrecks

715
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: the ship and says, man, there was a lot of

716
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,800
Speaker 1: really valuable stuff on board. I was I was toting

717
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: a bunch of bass ale, like the real bass ale

718
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 1: that we still enjoyed today. Uh. And then what else

719
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: was there was a bunch of really expensive shoes. Cutlery, yeah,

720
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 1: a bunch of cutlery, fine fish, fine butter. And what

721
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: was in there a bunch of garbage. It was so

722
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: so this guy purposely runs the ship the ground. It's

723
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 1: insured by five different insurers for a total of thirty

724
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 1: four grand in eighteen seventy two dollars contemporary dollars. And

725
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: and they probably would have gotten away with this, uh.

726
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 1: But the captain, Gilman Perkins, went ashore and sold salvage

727
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: rights to this cargo, this fine cargo that was supposedly

728
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:28,240
Speaker 1: on the ship to a local um salvage person in Haiti.

729
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 1: And had had he not conn the salvager, then they

730
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: may again they may have gotten away with this. But

731
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: the salvager went aboard to get this to recover this cargo,

732
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: this bass, this um, great butter, great shoes, cutlery, all

733
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 1: this stuff and found, like you said, just pure nastiness. There.

734
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 1: There's a bunch of junk, a l A lot of

735
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: the bottles weren't even filled. There were dog collars instead

736
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: of shoes. Yeah, what else. The cutlery, I know, the

737
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 1: cutlery was dog collar. These boots were old galoshes. Yeah,

738
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:07,280
Speaker 1: the women's fine shoes. And the butter was the butter

739
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: was rank slush, I think is what it was called.

740
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: So this con this con man or the salvagers like

741
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: I've been conned, and alerts the authorities who get on

742
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: the case and finally track it all the way back

743
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: to Boston and Captain Perkins, the last captain of the

744
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 1: Mary Celeste. Remember the first captain died, the third or

745
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 1: fourth captain disappeared, and the last captain of the ship

746
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 1: is facing the gallows for bearer Tree, which is the

747
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 1: deliberate destroying of a ship, narrowly avoided being executed for it. Um.

748
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: I think the jury came back seven to five and

749
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: he got off just narrowly avoided being killed for it.

750
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: The the article I read by a guy named Paul Collins.

751
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 1: Um supposed that the jury just couldn't bring themselves to

752
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: kill a person for an insurance fraud scheme. And that

753
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: was that was it. And now actually a couple of

754
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 1: years after they changed the law so that Bara Tree

755
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: was no longer a capital offense. Um, but you could

756
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 1: still get in big trouble for it. But a jury

757
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: would be more likely to convict if it didn't mean

758
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 1: your death, you know. So the the Mary Celeste run

759
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: aground on this reef met its fate when I guess

760
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: the government of Haiti paid for um it to be

761
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 1: dowsting kerosene instead of flame. All right, well let's take

762
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:28,959
Speaker 1: a break and we'll come back and talk a little

763
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 1: bit about how the legend of the Mary Celeste lived

764
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: on and then what may have actually happened that faithful

765
00:45:35,280 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 1: day in November. Alright, So the Mary Celeste, it wasn't

766
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 1: some huge sensational story of the time. Um. Locally it

767
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: probably got a little news, but it wasn't like, you know,

768
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: it didn't sweep the world. Um. But there was a

769
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 1: story written by one Sir Arthur Conan Doyle uh called

770
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 1: j have a cook. Jepson's statement is the worst made

771
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 1: up name I've ever heard in Cornhill Magazine. Also worst

772
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,839
Speaker 1: magazine name ever. Yeah, but it was like a huge

773
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: magazine at the time. I know it outsold Cornhole Magazine. Right. Uh,

774
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: so he write, he writes a story, and what it

775
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 1: is is basically this sensationalistic, uh fake account of the

776
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 1: Mary Celeste. But everyone takes it as real. Yeah, and

777
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 1: he renamed the ship the Marie Celeste. I don't know

778
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 1: if it was a mistake on his part or whatever,

779
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 1: but that also muddies the waters these days too, as

780
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 1: far as Google searches go. Yeah, so everyone thought this

781
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 1: thing was real. Um, all these basically presented a bunch

782
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:11,359
Speaker 1: of things is fact made up a bunch of stuff like, um,

783
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 1: that the tea was still hot and steaming when they

784
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: climbed aboard, and the beds were still warm, and uh

785
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: it was sailing perfectly and fully sailed, and breakfast was

786
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: half eaten, and like there's a cigar still burning. None

787
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 1: of this stuff was true. It was all cooked up

788
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 1: to make the myth just even creepier. But a lot

789
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: of people, even today, I still think that stuff is

790
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 1: kind of true. Did he did he make all that up?

791
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: Or was it just kind of added to later on.

792
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: Well I think I don't know what exactly he made up,

793
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: but it basically over the years, everyone just started adding

794
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: stuff like that the lifeboat was still there. You know,

795
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 1: none of that stuff was true. Right, So, Um, all

796
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: of those those facts I'm making scare quotes as you

797
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 1: can see, Um, they are they they they lend credence

798
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: to like really outrageous solutions to this mystery. Right, Like

799
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of well some some aren't exactly

800
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 1: outragious or preposterous, they're just the evidence doesn't support him.

801
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 1: Some are just totally outrageous, right, So you can kind

802
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 1: of divide them into different categories, like the natural um phenomenon.

803
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: There could have been a seaquake, um, which I guess happens,

804
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: and that usually disturbs the sea above when the sea

805
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: floor has a massive earthquake, waterspouts, rogue waves. Remember we

806
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: did a really good episode on rogue waves. Um, giant squid,

807
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 1: giant octopus, which fall under the subcategory sea monster. That's

808
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 1: the natural stuff sigment the sea monster. Yeah, Um, all right,

809
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:57,800
Speaker 1: then there's piracy and murder. Uh these just for the

810
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 1: time would make a little more sense. Um, Like Conan

811
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: Doyle said, uh, that there was an ex slave bent

812
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 1: on revenge who just wanted to kill white people and

813
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,280
Speaker 1: that was in his story, so that that clearly ramped

814
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 1: things up. There was a movie in the thirties with

815
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 1: Bella Legosi that he was one of the crew members

816
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 1: was a murderous sailor with a hook. Oh really, all right,

817
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:28,320
Speaker 1: well they always had hooks. Um. Captain Briggs was overcome

818
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: with religious mania, killed everyone in board, including his family,

819
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 1: then killed himself. Uh. Then there was the mutiny theory

820
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: that everyone got into this alcohol that you couldn't even drink. No,

821
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 1: he would die like almost immediately. Yeah, and I guess

822
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: just got the drunken murderers, the drunken murder rampage. You

823
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: know what happens when you drink a little, you just

824
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:53,399
Speaker 1: want to kill right exactly. But do you remember, um,

825
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 1: I guess in our Prohibition episode, it was shown years

826
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: on that the US government had poison and the bootleg

827
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 1: hooch supply natured alcohol and people died and went trying

828
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 1: from it. This is this stuff, Yeah, that's how they

829
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:10,839
Speaker 1: put into the supply well. And then there's the just

830
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:15,359
Speaker 1: the kind of mundane pirate pirate try like, hey, this

831
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: was where there were North African pirates, and that's probably

832
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: what happened, is there were it was just a regular

833
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,839
Speaker 1: run of the middle pirate operation. Yeah, but whether it's

834
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:28,320
Speaker 1: like any kind of violence like a um religious fervor

835
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,919
Speaker 1: or pirates or something like that. There was not any

836
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: sign of struggle. Remember, and the one lifeboat was missing,

837
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 1: so there it would seem that if they got off

838
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:45,280
Speaker 1: the ship, they probably got off willingly rather than um

839
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: there having been some sort of violence. Yeah. And then

840
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:50,840
Speaker 1: the also the two brothers. There are a couple of

841
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: brothers who were to the crew members Volkert and boy Lorenzen,

842
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,879
Speaker 1: and they were suspects for a little while because none

843
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 1: of their personal possessions were found. What apparently there was

844
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: no motive whatsoever. And a descendant of them said, you know,

845
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 1: they had lost all their gear and a previous shipwreck,

846
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: so just none of that makes any sense. They were

847
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:18,240
Speaker 1: good guys, right, so probably was not murder rightly. Plus

848
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 1: also the idea that the crew had come across another

849
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: ship pirated it turned pirate all of a sudden, uh,

850
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 1: And we're led by Briggs the idea that and then

851
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,360
Speaker 1: just just took this other ship and set off set

852
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 1: sail to start a new life elsewhere. Um, it doesn't

853
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,320
Speaker 1: make much sense on its face, but even if you

854
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 1: dig down just one more degree and remember that they

855
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 1: left their son Arthur behind. She became an orphan on

856
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 1: the day that the day Gratia found the Mary Celeste.

857
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 1: That's even it lends even less credence to to that.

858
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 1: So yeah, again, he was fairly dim weighted they left

859
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 1: them behind. Not a very likable kid. He had a

860
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:01,879
Speaker 1: real temper for no good reason. Didn't like cake. Who

861
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 1: doesn't like cake? So um the murder piracy or lastly,

862
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:14,799
Speaker 1: so remember the Captain Moorehouse dined with Captain Briggs and

863
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 1: his wife the night before they headed out, and then

864
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: Captain Moorehouse is the one who found the ship and

865
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 1: claimed salvage rights to it. The idea that it was

866
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 1: fraud and maybe a fraudulent scheme cooked up that one's

867
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 1: really dismissed too, again by the presence of Arthur. Arthur

868
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 1: ruined everything. So you can dismiss murder piracy or fraud. Typically,

869
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:41,280
Speaker 1: what about paranormal Let's go ahead and dismiss that too, Okay,

870
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 1: because I don't think that the bebun To triangle eight

871
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 1: them or that aliens. It's aliens, man, I don't think

872
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 1: that happened. Yeah, that's a big one. Uh So let's

873
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 1: just go ahead and not even talk about that too

874
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: much because that's dumb. So that that Frederick sally Floods

875
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 1: obsession with this whole thing at the time contemporarily um

876
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 1: document presented like the documented evidence we have concerning the case.

877
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 1: So it's good that he did this, that he was

878
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: gripped by this this paranoia of the suspicion, right, um,

879
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 1: because we do know some facts about the thing. We

880
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: know that like, like we said, the ship was found

881
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 1: with just three three sails up and the rest were

882
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:28,399
Speaker 1: either blown down or unfurled. The lifeboat was missing. There

883
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 1: was a rope dangling over the side from the back

884
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 1: of the ship into the water. Nine of the Sevre

885
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 1: one casks were intact, but we're actually empty, and on

886
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 1: closer inspection they were made of red oak, which is

887
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,840
Speaker 1: more porous than white oak, which the other seventeen hundred

888
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:51,280
Speaker 1: and one UM barrels were made of and were intact

889
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 1: and still full. So we know these things about the

890
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 1: ship that that that are actually correct, and they've been

891
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:02,919
Speaker 1: put together other to to kind of create this explanation

892
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 1: that again isn't definitive, doesn't prove it once and for all.

893
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 1: What happened that will never happen now, which I love.

894
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 1: But there's there's a pretty good explanation I think that

895
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 1: we both kind of agree is is the likeliest explanation. Yeah,

896
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 1: so those casks that that leaked but did not explode

897
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: or anything. Uh, there could have been a smell. There

898
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 1: could have been a sound. There could have been just

899
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 1: some indication that maybe this ship is about to blow

900
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 1: up or we are in danger. Uh, they had taken

901
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:37,879
Speaker 1: on a little water that might have played into it.

902
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 1: But what really everyone thinks played into it is like

903
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 1: we said at the beginning, was that he had his

904
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 1: wife and and toddler aboard, so he was taking no chances,

905
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 1: which would thoroughly explain why they got off of that

906
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:54,879
Speaker 1: boat really quickly at the very first signs that something

907
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: could be wrong. So that those nine red oak barrels

908
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 1: that were empty had three hundred gallons of d natured

909
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 1: highly flammable alcohol in them, it would yeah, it would

910
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 1: have smelled, It could have created a fireball explosion. Um,

911
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 1: it could have blown the hatches off it could have

912
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:15,399
Speaker 1: done a lot of things that that would have made

913
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 1: a reasonable person, especially when that's also concerned for the

914
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 1: life of his wife and child, say, the likeliest thing

915
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:24,319
Speaker 1: we should do here, the most reasonable thing we should

916
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 1: do here is get off of the ship. So considering

917
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 1: that there was this alcohol aboard, some of it was missing, um,

918
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 1: and that the lifeboat was gone, and that the log

919
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 1: book showed that they were within sight of land the

920
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 1: last time they had made any kind of entry, supports

921
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 1: the idea that they had all gotten into the lifeboat

922
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:52,359
Speaker 1: willingly because probably that alcohol and then the the the

923
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 1: water that the ship had taken on. Yeah. And apparently

924
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:57,319
Speaker 1: in two thousand and six it was a study at

925
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 1: University College of London where they they tried to produce

926
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 1: what that explosion might have looked like and uh sounded

927
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: like and uh they did it with butchane, So I

928
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:10,319
Speaker 1: guess is that about the same thing. I don't know

929
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 1: why they used putane instead of alcohol vapors. I have

930
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 1: no idea why, but they feel like it was pretty definitive. Yeah,

931
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:19,840
Speaker 1: And so basically it caused a big brilliant flame and

932
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 1: made a sound, but because it was this vapor, there

933
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:25,839
Speaker 1: was no it didn't like burn everything up, It didn't

934
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 1: scorch anything, There was no soot, There was no evidence.

935
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 1: So if this would have happened on board this guy's

936
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 1: got his wife and his toddler, that would have been

937
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 1: enough to create a panic. And that that's where my

938
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:38,799
Speaker 1: money is, for sure, for sure. And plus also I

939
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:42,360
Speaker 1: mean like that that the explosion of the exploding alcohol

940
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:44,399
Speaker 1: theory had been around for a while but had been

941
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 1: dismissed because they were like, well, it would have left

942
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:49,919
Speaker 1: some evidence. But this study showed that no, it could

943
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 1: have actually blown blown up and scared the heck out

944
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:55,919
Speaker 1: of these people and gotten him off this boat into

945
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:59,359
Speaker 1: the lifeboat which they would have had um connected to

946
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:03,319
Speaker 1: the ship, the Mary Celeste by this four foot or

947
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:06,359
Speaker 1: four hundred yards. It was a very long rope inch

948
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:10,320
Speaker 1: thick rope called the Halliard, and they had connected the

949
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 1: lifeboat to it. And what they supposed happened was that, um,

950
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 1: they kept a few of the sales down, some of

951
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 1: them still furled uh to let the ship keep going,

952
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 1: but at a slow pace because it was going to

953
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 1: they were going to have to ride behind it for

954
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 1: an indefinite period of time. And that the wind caught

955
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 1: it just right, sped the ship up, snapped the line,

956
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 1: and then within an hour the lifeboat was adrift with

957
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 1: the Mary Celeste out of sight. So was the idea

958
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 1: that they got in the boat attached with the rope

959
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 1: attached to just say, hey, let's like get away from

960
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 1: it and see what happens here. Yes, okay, And then

961
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 1: and then it just starts going. The rope is gone,

962
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 1: and then they're like, well, I can't catch it now, right,

963
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 1: And and they would have been left a drift at

964
00:57:55,760 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 1: sea um to die, which is what everybody thinks happened. Yeah,

965
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 1: And I guess at the time there would be uh,

966
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 1: unless I got really lucky or unlucky in the rowboat

967
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 1: eventually uh washed ashore somewhere. They would just be no trace, right, Yes,

968
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 1: they just were fish food. Yeah. I mean if they're

969
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 1: out in the Atlantic, especially if they just six miles

970
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 1: away from an island that's in the middle of nowhere.

971
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 1: It's pretty pretty middle of nowhere. So if you're in

972
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 1: a small boat there, you would you it would be

973
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:32,439
Speaker 1: very easy to vanish without a trace forever. I bet that,

974
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 1: like that story is the sad one is what those

975
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 1: final days were like. Yes, that kid. Yeah, heartbreaking. So uh,

976
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 1: that's the story of the Mary Celeste. Good job, good job,

977
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 1: you Chuck. I feel like we kicked the rest off

978
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 1: the sword on this one. If you want to know

979
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 1: more about the Mary Celeste, there is plenty more to

980
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 1: dig into. This is a nice rabbit hole to jump down.

981
00:58:57,800 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 1: If you want to do that kind of thing. Just

982
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 1: go search Google. Say no, Google, I mean Mary Celeste

983
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 1: and uh started off. You'll have fun and in the

984
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:11,840
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