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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome in. I'm Doug Gotliban. This is all ball

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Speaker 1: where we tell stories, but we learn about people. And

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Speaker 1: if you listen to part one, you got to know

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Speaker 1: Kim English, who's the new head coach at George Mason

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Speaker 1: University and a guy who he grew up in Baltimore.

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Speaker 1: You're just tuning in and you're like, what is he

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Speaker 1: talking about? Just go download listen to to part one.

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Speaker 1: It was amazing. I mean, his his recall is crazy crazy.

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Speaker 1: His story about overcoming his stutter also really really impressive.

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Speaker 1: I just this is overall rise. Um. This is part two,

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Speaker 1: and um you'll you'll hear about Kim and how he

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Speaker 1: rose so quickly in the coaching profession to where now,

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Speaker 1: at thirty two years old, he's a head coach at

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Speaker 1: a place that's been to a fatal four um in

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Speaker 1: in the last fifteen years. Like, it's the whole thing

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Speaker 1: is crazy. So we'll get to that in a second.

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Speaker 1: I want to give you just a couple of quick thoughts.

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Speaker 1: When I watched basketball games, don't know you like me,

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Speaker 1: I learned something now, you know, I've always been this

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Speaker 1: way watching Steph since he got to the NBA, and

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Speaker 1: maybe even in college where you're more surprised when he

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Speaker 1: misses that when he makes, regardless of the difficulty of

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Speaker 1: the shot. But I think the Warriors and I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure if they would have been there this year had

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Speaker 1: Clay not torn as achilles tendon. Obviously a lot of

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Speaker 1: it depends upon Clay and coming back, but he'll have

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Speaker 1: plenty of time off. If you look at Kevin Durant's

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Speaker 1: come back and you start to realize that while Clay

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Speaker 1: is a great athlete and a great shooter and needs

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Speaker 1: that balance and that push off, it's not like he's

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Speaker 1: John Moranto, one of these absolute athletic freaks where if

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Speaker 1: he loses a half step because of the Achilles and

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Speaker 1: the knee, it kills him. I want you to take

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Speaker 1: a second and take a breath and realize that the

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Speaker 1: Warriors are close. Next year, Wiseman will be a second

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Speaker 1: year player. He only played three games in college, he

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Speaker 1: had no summer league, you have a very limited training camp,

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Speaker 1: and he didn't have Clay Thompson. I think Jordan Pool

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Speaker 1: has a chance to be a tremendous player. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if Wiggins, especially with his contract, is the end

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Speaker 1: all be all, But if If Wiggins is their fourth

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Speaker 1: best player, that's a pretty good team. And that's with

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Speaker 1: Wiseman as their fifth best player. Of course, a lot

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Speaker 1: of it depends upon Clay and what he comes back at.

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Speaker 1: The Other thing is, can we say something about the

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Speaker 1: conditioning of Steph Curry to move like that for as

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Speaker 1: long as he did like the the off the ball

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Speaker 1: movement is only incredible, but to do it and make

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Speaker 1: shots means you have to be an unbelievable physical condition,

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Speaker 1: which he is. I mean something like look, Lebron obviously

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Speaker 1: is as well, but I think it's more difficult, more

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Speaker 1: difficult when you're moving off the ball with speed, quickness,

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Speaker 1: the physicality of the NBA. If I was gonna make

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Speaker 1: one adjustment, one adjustment, or point out one thing that

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Speaker 1: I think the Warriors could have done when they're down

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Speaker 1: three points, look you nearly, Steph nearly gotta look passing

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Speaker 1: and then cutting off of Draymond Green. But ask anybody

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Speaker 1: in the NBA and they'll tell you that the hardest

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Speaker 1: time guarding Steph Curry is when he doesn't have the

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Speaker 1: ball because he can't see him. And when they needed

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Speaker 1: defense to set and know where he is. So I

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Speaker 1: think if there were two adjustments that Steve Kirk could

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Speaker 1: have made, one would be have something in the arsenal

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Speaker 1: for that very time of the game where Steph doesn't

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Speaker 1: have the ball and then he works to get it. Me. Look,

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Speaker 1: it was a terrible there was a terrible uh moving

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Speaker 1: I don't care how hard he fouled. Lebron James's doubly

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Speaker 1: punitive if that's some sort of makeup or an additional call,

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Speaker 1: and Draymond because one of the Lakers took a dive.

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Speaker 1: The other one, though, is with two point two seconds ago,

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Speaker 1: Andrew Wiggins is wide open in the week side corner,

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Speaker 1: of course, in front of the Lakers bench. That's a

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Speaker 1: hard pass to make. But you have one of the

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Speaker 1: I see it. One tell Draymond to shoot when you're

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Speaker 1: have seen Andrew Wiggins wide open on the weak side.

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Speaker 1: I still like the Lakers, even though they didn't play

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Speaker 1: well to advance past the Phoenix Suns. I'll get you

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Speaker 1: some more picks once we have the brackets all set.

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Speaker 1: And if you don't see the Warriors getting better, I

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Speaker 1: can't help you. Jordan Pool is a player now. Wiseman

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Speaker 1: any sort of form close to Clay Thompson in the past,

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Speaker 1: I think the words canna be right there in competitive

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Speaker 1: next year for the entire thing you can. You have

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Speaker 1: app Serious x V two oh three. Without further ado,

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Speaker 1: let's get to part two of my discussion with Kim English. Yeah, actually,

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Speaker 1: you know what I want to start with something that

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Speaker 1: I'm guessing you do that I do. I watched basketball

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Speaker 1: and try and learn something from every time I watched basketball.

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Speaker 1: Did you stay up and watch the Laker game last night?

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Speaker 1: But give me, give me a takeaway just I mean, honestly,

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Speaker 1: impactful to me. You know, I tweeted it, um, and

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Speaker 1: I tweeted it to young players. I said, you know,

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Speaker 1: oftentimes I've been on teams that you know, weren't great,

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Speaker 1: Like I've coached teams that weren't great three point shooting teams.

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Speaker 1: I said, like in staff meetings before, I think we

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Speaker 1: just the way the ball was flying around for Golden State,

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Speaker 1: that's why they they jumped up. But I was kind

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Speaker 1: I watched the last two minutes locked in really, um,

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Speaker 1: it's funny I I do with with kids, and I

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Speaker 1: do this thing I call it. You know, everybody knows

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Speaker 1: that the golden rule is right, do one too, others

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Speaker 1: want to pass in the pocket? Right? It's every it's everything,

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Speaker 1: and it's it's everything in basketball. Everything, you know, you

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Speaker 1: we had the saying called enom it's not about me,

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Speaker 1: and you know, the Spurs Greg Popovitch says, you know,

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Speaker 1: to be a Spur, you have to get over yourself,

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Speaker 1: understanding it's not about you, and the the the ironic

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Speaker 1: worried about your success. Um, so it's it's it's everything

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Speaker 1: It's interesting though, because when you think back to when

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Speaker 1: you're a player, like I was an incredibly unselfish player

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Speaker 1: it is that that has been a cool thing being

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Speaker 1: I've lived it. I've lived it. And I was selfish.

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Speaker 1: like look for Cardo. The roles open. Like so if

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Speaker 1: in the spring. And I like to sit by myself

428
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,639
Speaker 1: when I'm out eat, like recruiting kids in the summer,

429
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 1: right because I just it's just it can be a

430
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,679
Speaker 1: distraction being around the coaches that hadn't seen each other

431
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:17,639
Speaker 1: all year. They're talking to each other on their phone,

432
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 1: like no one's watching games. So I would I'll go

433
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,440
Speaker 1: sit alone. Um, you know, sometimes I do have a friend,

434
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,680
Speaker 1: I want to sit next to, you know, but uh,

435
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 1: if I don't have a guy, I'll go sit by

436
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 1: myself and coach Boyle, nice shirt man, Barley, nice hoodie,

437
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:36,920
Speaker 1: Barley design. I love it. Uh, I'd go sit alone

438
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 1: and coach Boyle. You know, they recruit very pointedly at Colorado,

439
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,960
Speaker 1: so sometimes that he didn't have a kid to see

440
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,119
Speaker 1: it a game. He later told me he would just

441
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 1: watch assistant coaches. He would just look and see, like

442
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:56,119
Speaker 1: which assistance are working. And I was sitting by myself.

443
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 1: It was a Houston Hoops versus Uh, I think Nike

444
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 1: Pro Skills Dallas Pro Skills game. And I'm sitting by

445
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,160
Speaker 1: myself watching a big kid that we were involved with.

446
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 1: And he just came and sat next to me and

447
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 1: we just sat for one half of basketball and like

448
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 1: talk basketball, Like what do you think they're gonna do

449
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,199
Speaker 1: out of this time out? I know they better take

450
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 1: away that kid. Uh, well, this ref man, he's ready

451
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 1: to go home. We just talked basketball for one half

452
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 1: of basketball. Literally, that was it said goodbye. Now. I

453
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 1: played against them for one season. They were in a

454
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 1: Big twelve. His first year in Colorado was my junior

455
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 1: year Missouri. That was it left that that event in

456
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 1: April at Boo Williams, didn't not have his number, didn't

457
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 1: think of nothing. Fast forward to July. So the job

458
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,439
Speaker 1: season is over. This is July. It's the end. Like

459
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 1: I'm at the last event in Atlanta. I'm sitting there

460
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 1: watching the game again on the Bleazer and Beano Ransom

461
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:57,119
Speaker 1: and Mark Turgeon from Maryland were next to me. Um.

462
00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 1: I didn't know this, but Turge and Boil were hyped

463
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,439
Speaker 1: college teammates in Kansas. Not not that that that that

464
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,119
Speaker 1: undersells it. I mean, I'm sure you knew this, but

465
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:10,199
Speaker 1: Tad was in private but he was in private sector. Yeah, oh,

466
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 1: I know, he was out of it. You got you

467
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,159
Speaker 1: gotta come coach. Yeah. He brought him the Oregon and

468
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 1: then he left Oregon and go to Jerry Green with Tennessee,

469
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 1: and then he left Tennessee to go to Jacksonville State

470
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 1: with Turs And so they're they're best friends. They're best friends.

471
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 1: And I kind of was set up being knows from Baltimore.

472
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 1: So I was kind of talking to being on a

473
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 1: little bit and I said, with up Turch Turch it

474
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 1: what up man? And he said, Tad, Tad boy is

475
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 1: gonna hire you. And I looked at him, like what

476
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 1: And I just like kind of shook my head. I

477
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:41,679
Speaker 1: didn't it didn't make sense. I was like whatever, Like

478
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,160
Speaker 1: Tad doesn't even have a job, Like what you're talking

479
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,679
Speaker 1: about He said, yeah, man, Tad loves you. And I like, oh,

480
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,199
Speaker 1: nice man, he's a great guy. That was it. I

481
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:50,879
Speaker 1: didn't think of it of it, so it wasn't the

482
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 1: last weekend actually was the middle weekend. There was one

483
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 1: more weekend in Vegas because I go to Vegas something again.

484
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 1: I'm standing on the side of a bleacher by myself.

485
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,879
Speaker 1: Tad happened to be in a back row and Tad

486
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 1: taps me and said it was up, Kim, And he says,

487
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 1: is this still your number? And I was like, yep,

488
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 1: that's still my number. I got the same numbers in

489
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: seventh grade. And I was like yep. And he's like,

490
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 1: all right, cool man, good seeing you. I was like,

491
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 1: I send you to and then um, I get I

492
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 1: get back to Tulsa. It's August. It's our time to

493
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,120
Speaker 1: like relax a little bit for a couple of weeks

494
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:28,400
Speaker 1: after the July grind and I get a call from

495
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 1: coach heth saying, Tad boy just called. He asked to

496
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 1: speak to you. He has a position open. John pretty

497
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 1: thinks John Prilo is gonna get San Jose State and

498
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 1: once and I was like wow, So so Tad called me.

499
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 1: It was my first time being alone with my April

500
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 1: May June July August, four month old daughter. I was

501
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 1: alone with her in Tulsa and she I put her

502
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: to sleep, talked to Tad, talked about coming to Colorado

503
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 1: and told him no, like that was good. I recruited

504
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 1: Darren Jackson and Dariah Horn Elijah joined. I recruited these

505
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 1: really good future cornerstones to the Tulsa program, and I

506
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 1: wanted to coach him and I said no thanks for

507
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:17,400
Speaker 1: no thanks, and um, I went to sleep. And tornadoes

508
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 1: never hit Tulsa, like almost never, like because it's the

509
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 1: Arkansas River, it's hilly. They just they usually revert and

510
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 1: go to like northern Oklahoma. A tornado dropped down in

511
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 1: Tulsa that night and like ravage my neighborhood, like ravaged

512
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 1: like shopping centers, houses, my neighbors, houses, neighborhood. I lived

513
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 1: in midtown. I lived in like fifty one and Sheridan

514
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: around there from just just on the on the poor

515
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 1: side of midtown. Um and uh, but my house was untouched.

516
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 1: My house was untouched with my four month old baby.

517
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: And I wake up the next morning, like go outside,

518
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:59,120
Speaker 1: like what And I get a text from Tad said

519
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 1: any seconds, and UM, kid you not. If it wasn't

520
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,640
Speaker 1: for the tornado, I would have said, no, I'm good man,

521
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 1: thanks good luck with your search. I was ready to

522
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 1: help Cam Paulino try to get the job. I text

523
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,439
Speaker 1: back because of the the tornado, I said, actually, I am

524
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: having some that happened. That happened to Scott Brooks. I

525
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 1: don't know if you know that. So when Scotty was

526
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: before his last year in Oklahoma City, Um, his wife

527
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 1: was home and they were maybe in the playoffs, and

528
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: there's a bad tornado and they were in the basement

529
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: like all night, and she was like, I'm out, I'm out.

530
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: And so there last year they moved to Orange County

531
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: where you had a house because they couldn't they couldn't

532
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 1: do the tornado. They couldn't do the tornadoes. And honestly,

533
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: if it wasn't a tornado that night, I would have

534
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 1: probably may be still been at the University of Tulsa

535
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 1: right now. Did you did you know did Frank talk

536
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 1: about the race riots Black Wall Street when you're we spoke.

537
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 1: I didn't know about it, and I knew about it

538
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 1: before I got there. I got more intimate with the

539
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: you know the story in the history of that terrorism

540
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 1: and those riots and that um mass murder that took

541
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 1: place there. Um. So yeah, it kind of in the

542
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: midst of more you know, um race violence in the

543
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: country of George Floyd and a mad Aubrey and you know,

544
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: and you know when those when that stuff started to

545
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: become more prevalent and we saw more what happened in Tulsa.

546
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: And I think the Hunter year universary just came up.

547
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: So over the last few years it's become more of

548
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 1: a topic. I knew about it. I would drive around.

549
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: I mean I I honestly I used to tell the

550
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 1: story to any of my family or friends that used

551
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: to come into Tulsa. Like I used to show them

552
00:29:55,640 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: this is this was black Wall Street, this incredibly booming

553
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: area right now, Like you know, we owned and operated

554
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: it and you know, were thriving. It's it's really interesting

555
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: because the Tulsa to you has had has had successful

556
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 1: been a launching point for a bunch of successful black coaches,

557
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: right I mean four or five. I mean obviously, I

558
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: mean Tubby was amazing in terms of the staff there.

559
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: Craig Robinson was there, Nolan was Nolan was there, Frankie

560
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 1: coaches in general, coaches in general. But yeah, but it's

561
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: it's it's just it's very interesting that there's been a

562
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: tremendous amount of diversity at Tulsa Basketball specifically, and yet

563
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 1: here's this kind of super ugly history that sometimes gets mentioned,

564
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 1: sometimes doesn't get mentioned. It's like, and I just I

565
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 1: do wonder what it's like to walk around as a

566
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: black man as a coach at Tulsa knowing this exists,

567
00:30:55,760 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 1: and and and like how you how you process that? Well,

568
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: I would say I wouldn't say it exists at that level.

569
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: I mean, that was a very radical level. It was

570
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: a hundred years ago. Um. Obviously, racism still exists. It's

571
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:15,239
Speaker 1: more system it's more systemic, it's more covert. Um that

572
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: was a very overt form of racism. You know what

573
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: happened and whatever nineteen one it was in Tulsa. Um. Um, yeah,

574
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: I I'd say that it's just walking around Tulsa. It's

575
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: a lot different than other places in the Deep South.

576
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: It's not as strong. I mean, book or T. Washington

577
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 1: High School is in east North Tulsa. It's in North Tulsa,

578
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 1: and it's a historically black high school. It used to

579
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: be a segregated black high school, but it is. It's

580
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: one of the most well performing high schools in America.

581
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: And white kids from all over Tulsa jenks at fluent

582
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: neighborhoods and halls to drive to get educated at Book

583
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 1: or t Washington. So there's some integration and tall so

584
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: that I thought was pretty cool, even with the Native

585
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 1: American culture. Um, you know in Catoosa and Broken Arrow.

586
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed my time in Tulsa, Okay, until you

587
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: get to you get to Boulder. Bold was a different spot. Now,

588
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: different spot. What was that like for? Um? You know,

589
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: it was great. It was really cool. It was it

590
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: was different and I never lived out west. Um it

591
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: was beautiful. It is beautiful seeing the flat irons and

592
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: the rockies and um the amazing weather, the sun and uh,

593
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 1: you know, the It was great. It was a great

594
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 1: mix of college town plus city. You have Boulder and

595
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: in twenty three miles away of Denver. So, um, I

596
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: lived in the middle. I lived in Broomfield. Again, didn't

597
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: have enough money to live in Boulder, Colorado was very expensive. Um,

598
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: I didn't want to live that far and Demos, so

599
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: I lived lived in the middle and um, no, it

600
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: was great. What was what's Tad like? He? Uh, you

601
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: know that, you know I learned so much from each coach.

602
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: From Frank it was I feel like he's a really really,

603
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: really smart offensive coach. And the confidence that he gives

604
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: his players is is incredible. Um with Tad, Tad has

605
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: an ability man, and it's real and it's like it

606
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: as an assistant, You're like, come on, man, like let's go.

607
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: We gotta be more gret He thinks that there is

608
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: not a better job in America and the University of

609
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: Colorado at Boulder. Like if a kid told Tad Boyle

610
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: that he was going to Kentucky or Duke Sorry, coach,

611
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: I made my decision. I'm going to u c l

612
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: A Kentucky, dude, Colorado is out. He would look at

613
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: that kid like kid was a fool. He thinks Colorado

614
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: is the best job in America. And that conviction in

615
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 1: the job what I've discovered shine through in his recruit

616
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: because when he's talking to kids and parents, they really

617
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: believe what he's saying. It's shine through in his basketball coaching.

618
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: When we're preparing for a game and he's given a

619
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: speech at halftime or we're scouting, the players feel it.

620
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 1: How much he believes his place can be special and

621
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 1: it is special. Um it shines through and everything he does,

622
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 1: you know, every single day, taboyl wake stuff. He's thinking

623
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,240
Speaker 1: what can I do to make Colorado basketball the champion?

624
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 1: And he's a really good basketball coach as well. What

625
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: what is it? How is style wise? What's unique about

626
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: how his team's played? Very simple? Like simple? What I

627
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: what I realized? You know, Nate Thomason who came with

628
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 1: me here from Colorado, Ate likes, um, simplicity is brilliant.

629
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: Tad is a very simple coach. And and then it

630
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 1: is and it is cool. I'm actually I was. I

631
00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 1: was texting with coach Bennett the other day and he

632
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: actually sent me a biblical reference to it. It was

633
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: about simplicity, like how we need to practice simplicity and

634
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: and that's Tad. And you know what it becomes is

635
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 1: it becomes routine. It becomes routine. It's a lot what

636
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 1: you hear Belichick and Sabe and talk about, you know,

637
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: the routine of every day, the monotony of everyday work,

638
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: and his best teams when they're clicking, it's it's really

639
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: cool to see that their defensive sound, their offenses is

640
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:37,760
Speaker 1: simple and effective. Yeah. My brother worked for my montgovernment

641
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:39,800
Speaker 1: for six years and he used to say a simplicity

642
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: and execution. That's it puts the secret to their success.

643
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 1: Simplicity and execution. Um, why did you go to Tennessee? Um? Again,

644
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 1: wasn't looking? I just I was actually at the Final four.

645
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: I was. I mean, I'm very fortunate in my career.

646
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: I mean I was at the actually at the Black

647
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 1: Coaches Association. Um like banquet, we're sitting now. I got

648
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,800
Speaker 1: a call from UH, from Mike Schwartz, and he says,

649
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 1: Robin Near has taken Georgia State. You want to come Tennessee.

650
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: And I said, let's do it. That was the thought process.

651
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: That was it. They had just come off an incredible season.

652
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: They refreshing my mind watching them and Sweet sixteen against Perdue.

653
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 1: I love the way they played. Coach Barnes and I

654
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 1: had gotten close over the last four years. When I

655
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: got to Tulsa. You know, obviously he coached against me

656
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: in the Big Twelve. Frank worked for him at Texas,

657
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: Mike played for him at Texas. Was a g a

658
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: for him. It was his first graduate assistant at Texas.

659
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: Out on the road in the summers, Coach Barnes and

660
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: I would go to have lunch and dinner with Mike

661
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: or coach hate and um, so we kind of gotten

662
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 1: a good relationship and rapport. And he called and said

663
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: let's do it. And Tennessee almost turned into u c

664
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: l A, which was gonna be like, which I didn't

665
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 1: feel as good about. I wasn't I did not want

666
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: to leave Colorado for the same league. Um, and we

667
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 1: had just beat up on u c l A. We

668
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 1: beat in four straight times. So I really wasn't like

669
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 1: in awe of the program at the at the moment um,

670
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 1: you know, and uh, but what is that? What is

671
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,399
Speaker 1: that like to be sitting there and you're like, you

672
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: did you know, like you know all these things that

673
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: are going on. I know that, Yeah, I'm aware that

674
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: u c l A thing is going on, and um,

675
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 1: you know it was you know, he wanted me to

676
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: go with him either way, and I told him I

677
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 1: would have went with him me the way. But I really,

678
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: in the back of my mind, I was happy. I

679
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: was sold on Tennessee. I didn't feel good about sitting

680
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 1: on the opposite bench of McKinley, Wright, Tyler Bay, and

681
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: de Shaun Schwartz, um like respectively and privately, like, so

682
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: I was happy that it was Tennessee. Um, I do

683
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,760
Speaker 1: like to have with McKinley right, because anybody who's watched

684
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 1: him and then you find even before you know his

685
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: personal story, you're like, I love watching that can't play

686
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 1: basketball from the first When was the first time you

687
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: saw me? Kendy right August when I got there, right

688
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: before they went on a foreign tour. Okay, so you

689
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 1: get there and did you did you know who? Did

690
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: you know anything about it? No? Never, no, no, never never.

691
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: Shaquille Harrison with more skill, a little smaller, a little

692
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: less athletic, But he's Shaquille Harrison from a heart standpoint

693
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: and a competitive standpoint. I didn't know about his work

694
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 1: ethic at the first time I've seen him, but and

695
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 1: in a work standpoint, he's gonna make it like he is.

696
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 1: He's Jamir Nelson, He's Terrell Brandon, he is He's gonna

697
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 1: have a career in the league. You know, a great

698
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 1: Totally agreed. I love what love watching him play basketball

699
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:52,240
Speaker 1: and run a team and lead a team. He's awesome

700
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:54,800
Speaker 1: at a point guard. You're you're a true point I

701
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,399
Speaker 1: bet you would like to see him, you know, dude,

702
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: I seriously I've watched Colorado games to watch him, watch

703
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 1: him play. He's that, He's that enjoyable. Okay, So you

704
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 1: get to Tennessee and they come off this this this

705
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 1: great year. Now For people who don't know Rick, Rick

706
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 1: is hilarious, very sarcastic, like very sarcastic. Uh and just

707
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 1: I mean like a super interesting personality. Where when I

708
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 1: was in the league, like I kind of didn't. I

709
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: didn't like him like I thought he was so he

710
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: was like he was so sarcastic on the sidelines like

711
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 1: I would I'd always I'd sometimes chirped to the posing bench.

712
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: He'd say some ship to me, and then I started

713
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: covering him like I didn't know if he didn't like

714
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 1: me or whatever. And then he invited me to dinner.

715
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,839
Speaker 1: One time I was doing a Texas game and I

716
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: just I laughed the whole time. I was like in

717
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: And then one time after the Final four in Dallas,

718
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,439
Speaker 1: I texted him like, Hey, we're gonna stay, We're thinking

719
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: about coming down to Austin. He's like, till when you

720
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 1: still up and Tim when you leave and promised me

721
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: that have breakfast with me one morning. I said okay,

722
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: and he got us a room at the w Yeah.

723
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 1: And he gave me all these restaurants to go to.

724
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: We went to like every restaurant was good. He gave

725
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: me where you could do yoga. He's an amazing dude. Okay,

726
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 1: so you move into Knoxville, he decides not to go

727
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: to U c l A. What's your experience like? Um,

728
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 1: you know, I remember the Purdue Tennessee game two thousand

729
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 1: nineteen and the Sweet sixteen, and I remember texting with

730
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: McKinley and de Shaun because we had just got we

731
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 1: we lost in the quarterfinals in the n I t

732
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: to Texas, and Texas played at a speed that we

733
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 1: hadn't seen in the Pack twelve that season. They just

734
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 1: played at a different pace in tempo, which I know,

735
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: it's it's the tempo and pace of a Big twelve.

736
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 1: It's the Big twelve, and but I hadn't seen it

737
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: and that speed, that pace for four years. And I

738
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 1: told our team to go back and watch that for

739
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: due Tennessee game. Before I knew anything about Tennessee, I

740
00:40:56,120 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: was going and when I got to Tennessee, I realized

741
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: my first practice why the speed and tempo was the

742
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: way it was major, huge impact. It's because coach Barnes

743
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 1: and that staff demands it every single rep. And it

744
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: was my main emphasis our spring at George Mason was

745
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: I gotta get these guys playing at that speed, playing

746
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: at that's whereas the only like this spring and George

747
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 1: Mason wasn't about what we did. It was all about

748
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: how we did things like like and I told all

749
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: of my assistant coaches, if it ain't hard enough, fast enough,

750
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 1: strong enough, stop and make him do it again, like

751
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: we are gonna stop and do it until it so.

752
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: I would told the guys pass the ball as hard

753
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: as you can, like every single pass, every single chest pass,

754
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 1: try to knock a guy over. Cut so hard you

755
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: you're tripping. Fall, Like, drive the ball so hard you

756
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: fall into the wall. Like run every single time as

757
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: hard as you can run. So run as hard as

758
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 1: you can run, Cut as harder you can cut, Drive

759
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: as harder you can drive, Pass as hard as you

760
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: can pass Like that was our spring just and it

761
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,720
Speaker 1: looks sloppy, it looks crazy. At times guys were falling.

762
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: Guys were missing passes, but it was like I was like, good,

763
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:26,280
Speaker 1: Like they gotta get to the level that I'm used to,

764
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 1: that I'm accustomed to, you know, because because when it's

765
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: done right, it can be overwhelming. You know. Our tempo

766
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: and our pace when we were right at Tennessee overwhelmed teams. Um,

767
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: and I felt it as a player at Missouri, and

768
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: we're gonna get that level of speed and execution here

769
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 1: at Mason UM This last year at at Tennessee, you

770
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 1: had too super super talented young guards. Um. What was

771
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: it like tour with Jamie Killing? It was great, you know. Um,

772
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 1: I feel like they got short changed. Like every elite

773
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: freshman in the country this year, from Kentucky Duke to US,

774
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: I mean very few. I mean what Kate Cunningham. Very

775
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: few freshmen had great success this year, Like from a

776
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 1: winning and playing standpoint, Like those guys we wanted we

777
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: were a tournament team. They played well, but it wasn't

778
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 1: at the level it should have. We could have had

779
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: a full summer with them, eight weeks of four hours

780
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: a week. If we could have had a real fall

781
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: and inter squad scrimmage, Oh, I mean a real scrimmage,

782
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 1: you know, at Tennessee. We scrimmage Davidson every year. If

783
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,280
Speaker 1: we could have had twelve nonconference games with those guys,

784
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: it would have been so much more special than it was.

785
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: You know, they had a summer of us coaching him

786
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 1: from the balcony, like you know, we we couldn't. We couldn't.

787
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: You know, we had to think about social distance and

788
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 1: prag and we couldn't. It just it was disappointing because

789
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:58,320
Speaker 1: I think those guys are I mean, I won't coach

790
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: guys as on to is that much in my career. Um.

791
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: So it was great to see their greatness in games

792
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 1: and in days and practice, especially Kion Um. But UM,

793
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 1: I kind of a disappointed that COVID happened and it

794
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: didn't get to be the development and the culture that

795
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:20,359
Speaker 1: we usually have a tendency. Okay, so COVID hits, the

796
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:26,399
Speaker 1: world shut down. Okay, stops. What what are you doing?

797
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 1: It was, m man, you just got in a routine. Um,

798
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 1: and I got up. I had days with my daughters, UM,

799
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 1: play with them all day, which was great to get

800
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 1: to spend that much time with my girls. UM. I

801
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 1: watched the news all day. UM go outside, Uh, I

802
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 1: would talk to coach Barns talk to our players. We

803
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 1: just tried to make little like Zoom projects. We do

804
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 1: like Zoom film sessions with our current players. Tried to

805
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 1: recruit as that's we could, um, you know, to finish

806
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: up our class class. Yeah, that was Kennedy Chandler. You know,

807
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: we're still recruiting. Uh followed Bank Carroll pretty hard at

808
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 1: that time. Um. Now, it was it was, it was,

809
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:20,800
Speaker 1: it was, it was. It was very surreal. It was scary,

810
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: you know, from a standpoint of not knowing when this

811
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: was gonna end, not knowing if college basketball was gonna

812
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: still be a thing, um, you know. And then finally

813
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: we got sports again. Um no, uh, finally we got

814
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:35,800
Speaker 1: sports again and that kind of made things a little

815
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 1: bit better back to normal. Um, okay, so how how

816
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: did the George Basin think? Um, you know, it's always

817
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,240
Speaker 1: been a job that I kind of looked at as

818
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 1: if there was ever an opportunity, I would do anything

819
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 1: I could to to to get it, to get involved.

820
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:56,760
Speaker 1: And um, from the moment it opened, was very fortunate

821
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 1: that there was mutual interest and we spoke. Coach Barnes

822
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: actually got his start here is a thirty two year

823
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 1: old head coach, UM and uh so that there was

824
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 1: a connection there and that really excited him. And UM,

825
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 1: when I spoke to the athletic director Brad Edwards, who

826
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 1: played in the NFL with the Super Bowl Championship, ring,

827
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 1: when I spoke to the president, uh Dr Greg Washington,

828
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: hearing the alignment between those guys, hearing Dr Washington's under

829
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 1: excuse me, hearing Dr Washington's understanding of how and how

830
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 1: important inter collegiate athletics and especially basketball is, UM, it

831
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: really got me excited. And then once I heard that

832
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 1: from them, it just became me letting them know that

833
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 1: I was ready to lead, letting them hear my basketball

834
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 1: playing in my vision for this program and how we're

835
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 1: gonna get it done. U. So yeah, so what so

836
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 1: what is the vision? What is it? What? Like? What's

837
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 1: the step by step process? You get that? Okay, let's

838
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: start with this. He gets it. First of all, you

839
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 1: get the job. Who called you and told you got

840
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 1: the job? The athletic director. Okay, so he calls you

841
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 1: and at the time, somebody tells this is this is

842
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: a question. I just does he does? He? Did you

843
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: discuss salary before? Did you go like I've never I've

844
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:26,399
Speaker 1: never any job I've had, not Tulsa, any job, I mean,

845
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:30,479
Speaker 1: planning professionally. I've never ever one time asked with the money.

846
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: I found out what my salary was when I looked

847
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: at my contract when I was here. Okay, so you

848
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 1: said you want the job, He said, you have the job. Like,

849
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: what's that conversation? Now, Brad was in talks with with

850
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: ci A. Yeah, he was with Evan Daniels, Jimmy Saxon

851
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:49,240
Speaker 1: and he was talking to those guys. They talked numbers. Again.

852
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 1: I let those guys know it was not about money

853
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 1: for me. Um. Uh so, so he called me. You know,

854
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: he had a great talk with the president the day before,

855
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:03,359
Speaker 1: talked with the deputy a d Dr. Debi Corbato, who

856
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 1: is spectacular, And he called me. I was driving back

857
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 1: to Knoxville from Missouri and he said, are you ready

858
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 1: to do this? And I said absolutely? And he said

859
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 1: all right, let's keep it on the low so I

860
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: couldn't say anything, and um and yeah, got got got

861
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 1: right to it. Got got off the phone with him,

862
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: and I called the guys that I would want to

863
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:30,839
Speaker 1: to come with me my staff and told them, all right,

864
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 1: so this is this this may this may cause some

865
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 1: staff dissension. Who is the first call Nate Nate Thomason.

866
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 1: He kind of known. I was involved with another job. Uh,

867
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 1: before it was a Power five job I was involved with,

868
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,240
Speaker 1: and I Natan knew Nate Nate's one of my closest

869
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 1: friends in business. Played against each other in prep school,

870
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: playing each other in the Big Twelve, worked with m Colorado. Um,

871
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:58,839
Speaker 1: he is Australian and the colors of the Boomers are

872
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 1: green and gold. So we were in the bubble. But

873
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 1: both of us were in the bubble. They were still playing. Um,

874
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 1: we got bumped in the first round. Oregon State played

875
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 1: thanks to your brother's recruiting. Um, we were. But he knew.

876
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: I was involved with it the whole time. And he says,

877
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: all right, I'm gonna lock into Georgetown and in Florida State.

878
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 1: He said, just if it happens, just text me green

879
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 1: and gold and I can probably find it. I just

880
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 1: text him, and like all caps, I said green and gold,

881
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 1: like a million explanation points, like green, green and gold,

882
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 1: the color of the Boomers and the come and and

883
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 1: the color of George Mason. Uh. Basketball. So he was

884
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: the first one I called Okay, So when you're putting

885
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: together pieces, is it about guys you're close with that

886
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 1: you trust where you're like, all right, well I get

887
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: Nate and Nate does this and he's international, and then

888
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: that this guy he's Baltimore. How do you How did

889
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: you decided to put together staff? Yeah? For me, it's

890
00:49:55,520 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 1: about integrity, intelligence and work ethic, Like if I'm close

891
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 1: to you or not, Like if I know you're good,

892
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: if I know if people around me that I do.

893
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: I have to I have to know people around you.

894
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 1: I don't have to know you, but I have to

895
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 1: know people around you that can vouch for your integrity.

896
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 1: I can find out in the second if someone's good

897
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 1: and if they work hard, if they're intelligent. So I

898
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 1: mean my staff is that. I mean Nate Thomason, I

899
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: think will be an NBA head coach one day. Brilliant,

900
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:29,800
Speaker 1: really good recruiter domestically and internationally. I mean Colorado's recruiting

901
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 1: classes eight in the nation this year and they had

902
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 1: a big part in that. Um coaches, he's a coaches kid.

903
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 1: He's super sharp, smart, knows the game. Um. You know

904
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: Dennis Felton, who I got to work with intimately, at

905
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 1: at Tulsa is bright, I mean been in a long time. Um,

906
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 1: he's like your old he is your old head, like

907
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 1: I know you trust and respect him and he's but

908
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 1: he also I trust respect him intiment and he built

909
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 1: a monster what the you know, like he built a

910
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: mid major monster at Western Kentucky and um, the great person.

911
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: You know. I wanted to have someone from the area,

912
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: but I wasn't going to just get some random person

913
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 1: from the area that I didn't trust deeply, and so

914
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: I was actually talking to a lot of guys from

915
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: the area that really good candidates that I really really

916
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:24,839
Speaker 1: liked and seriously considering. But when I got here and

917
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: sat down with Dwayne Simpkins, it turned into it changed

918
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: from me like saying, oh, I'll retain them, like oh,

919
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:36,319
Speaker 1: I'll just keep them. It turned into I really really

920
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: really want this guy, like like he had other jobs.

921
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, Tennessee was talking about Dwayne Simpkins

922
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 1: to replace me there like so it flipped like in

923
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 1: one meeting, it flipped from me convincing Dwayne Simpkins to

924
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 1: stay here and I am like, we are lucky to

925
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 1: have Dwayne Simpkins, who was a McDonald's All American who

926
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:02,399
Speaker 1: played for Nay Smith Hall of Fame high school coach

927
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 1: and Morgan Wootten and played for a Nay Smith Hall

928
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 1: of Fame college coach at Maryland who was a six

929
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,320
Speaker 1: ft point guard. So he knows the scrapping this and

930
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,799
Speaker 1: toughness and competitiveness that we talked about. UM. So he's

931
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 1: been great. He's been great bridging the gap UM with

932
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 1: our players, recruiting the area, and his institutional knowledge has

933
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,879
Speaker 1: been incredibly incredible. It's a seventh season here, so I'm

934
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 1: really excited about my three assistant coaches. Um I J.

935
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 1: Pool is a young, hungry, very talented UM guy that

936
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 1: I worked with a Tennessee who was actually twenty four

937
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 1: year old assistant coach at Appalachian State for two seasons.

938
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 1: He was a manager at Texas for coach a grad

939
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 1: assistant at Tennessee. He did did video stuff for US

940
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 1: last year at Tennessee, and he's a director of scouting

941
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 1: and player personnel. Um My Opscot is the academic coordinator

942
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 1: from the University of Virginia basketball. He was there for

943
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 1: eleven seasons with with coach Bennett. Um It's coach been

944
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 1: up been there for eleven years. It has been eleven years,

945
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 1: and he and he was at Duke and Notre Dame

946
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 1: before that. I met him on a zoom mid pandemic.

947
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:14,720
Speaker 1: I was in a zoom with I got named Daniel

948
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 1: Marks from the Bucks. He had a zoom talking about athletics,

949
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 1: just kind of pushing athletes through the system and not

950
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 1: value in education. So I was on that zoom as

951
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 1: a panelist with a professor from some school, and me

952
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 1: and the professor went at odds. He was kind of

953
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 1: casting some generalizations on athletes and black athletes in particular,

954
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 1: So me and that professor kind of went at it

955
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:38,839
Speaker 1: toe to toe, and I didn't know it. T J.

956
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 1: Grahams by now A Scott was on that zoom and

957
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 1: he got my email. I'm really close with a lot

958
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 1: of guys on the Virginia staff. Um uh, Johnny Carpenter

959
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 1: being one of them, who was one of the smartest

960
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: people in our game. And um Johnny said, Hey, our

961
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 1: academics guy asked for your number. He was on your

962
00:53:58,360 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 1: zoom call tonight and I was like, give it to

963
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 1: on and t J and I talked and he was like, man,

964
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:06,879
Speaker 1: I love that, Like that was awesome and he told

965
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 1: me he had an interest of possibly um working on

966
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 1: the basketball side. What was it that you challenged the

967
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:16,840
Speaker 1: guy on the professor? What was specifically, because now it

968
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:18,840
Speaker 1: was it was two springs ago now or once. I

969
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 1: don't even know. It's you remember, you remember everything. I know.

970
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 1: I remember he said something like, I think we were

971
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 1: talking about the how athletes just get kind of pushed

972
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 1: through like just it's it's it's more about eligibility than

973
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 1: like excellence in education. It's more about eligibility and graduation,

974
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:44,240
Speaker 1: is what he was saying. And and then that's true

975
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 1: in a lot of places. But he was saying, the

976
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 1: athletes don't care about that. The athletes, the athletes are

977
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 1: pushing that, and that couldn't that couldn't be further from

978
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 1: the truth. I just depends on the kid exactly, it's not.

979
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:04,839
Speaker 1: My My argument to him was Black college athletes aren't monolithic,

980
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 1: like there's not one thing that we all do. It's

981
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 1: it's a million different things to say. I couldn't say

982
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:14,800
Speaker 1: all professors. I'll give I'll give you an example. Okay,

983
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 1: so when I was Notre Dame. Notre Dame, you have

984
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,720
Speaker 1: to take freshman studies, so you get thrown into the pool,

985
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 1: and it's there's just Brits of smaller school, brilliant people.

986
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 1: And so I remember I had to take like bio

987
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:31,919
Speaker 1: chem and some high level math. And if I didn't

988
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 1: have Antoni weish who um who's insistant? Obviously at Sienna,

989
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:41,800
Speaker 1: I didn't have tone in my class. I was done done,

990
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 1: not just I'm not even talking about peaking, just the

991
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:47,840
Speaker 1: and and that comes from his family and his desire

992
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 1: to work. When I was at Oklahoma State, Adrian Peterson's

993
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 1: our third all time leading score, like that dude was

994
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:58,319
Speaker 1: was brilliant. You had it had it didn't it went

995
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 1: across racial bounds, Yeah, so that it didn't matter. It's

996
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:07,240
Speaker 1: all based upon the kid, what his parents, high school

997
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:11,360
Speaker 1: coaches demanded, and frankly what the what the coach demands

998
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 1: of his players. But mostly it does come down to

999
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 1: the kid, and if the kid is there, it's it's

1000
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 1: a lot like you said, a boy coaching, and you

1001
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 1: started like coaches get into business for the wrong reason.

1002
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 1: There are players they're in this thing for the wrong reason.

1003
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:27,720
Speaker 1: And some figured out, some don't. And it always bothers

1004
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 1: me when people say, well, get guys just get pushed

1005
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 1: along they get well, yeah, well again you're assuming you

1006
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:36,800
Speaker 1: know every player. There are some guys who are just

1007
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 1: gonna try and get by. Yeah. No, it was ridiculous

1008
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 1: and we we went at it and it was it

1009
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 1: was fun. It ended well and Daniel, Daniel loved it.

1010
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 1: And it's funny you say that. I just one of

1011
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 1: the most successful former Mason players just walked in and

1012
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna visit with him in a little bit, Steve Neil,

1013
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:56,280
Speaker 1: who was a very successful businessman in the area. Um,

1014
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 1: it's kind of as you were talking, I was just

1015
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 1: kind of watching him walk in. He's he's he's incredible.

1016
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 1: I mean, he's been a vice president for a huge

1017
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 1: grocery store here locally, Giant Foods. Now, he has a

1018
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:14,320
Speaker 1: bussing and trucking company. So now, yeah, we we dictate

1019
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 1: this is higher education. We are part of the higher

1020
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 1: education process. So as a basketball coach, for me especially,

1021
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 1: that education is going to extend beyond the classroom and

1022
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 1: onto what we do. So, okay, here's what's important. Now,

1023
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 1: you get a team, it's your team. The buck stops there.

1024
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 1: You can play however you want. Okay, you've played for

1025
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 1: two head coaches in college that played very different styles.

1026
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 1: You played for five different high schools. I'm sure they

1027
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 1: played different styles, plus AU programs. Okay, you played in

1028
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 1: the NBA, you played overseas. You have all of this

1029
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 1: knowledge in your head where you recall every play or whatever. Okay,

1030
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 1: two questions in one. First, how do you want to play?

1031
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 1: And second? Can you play that way? In your one?

1032
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 1: Considering you haven't gotten a chance to change all of

1033
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 1: your personnel to how you truly desire to play. I

1034
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 1: think we can. I think we can play the way

1035
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 1: we want to play a year when I don't know it.

1036
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know it until I actually see

1037
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 1: all the pieces together right right now. It's it's some

1038
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 1: new guys mixed with some old guys and a lot

1039
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 1: of video. Haven't seen those guys all messioned. So I

1040
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 1: think this summer is gonna dictate truly. Um, you know

1041
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 1: what is it we do best? You know what gives

1042
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 1: us the best chance that winning? You know, if it's

1043
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 1: you're talking Kelvin Sampson, it's defense and rebounding. If you're

1044
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 1: talking Mark Fwing and Zaga, it's an offensive jugger. Not

1045
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 1: they're gonna score more points than you because they're just

1046
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 1: really good at score points. So um yeah, And in

1047
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 1: my mind, it's gonna be it's gonna you know, we're

1048
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 1: gonna be a team that is focused on defense and rebounding.

1049
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 1: And you know we're gonna we're gonna pick up nint.

1050
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 1: We're not gonna be just gonna it's gonna be a

1051
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 1: little bit. I hate to say this, it's gonna be

1052
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 1: a little bit of a lot of the things I've experienced. Um,

1053
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:09,440
Speaker 1: you know, I want to I want to extend defensively

1054
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 1: and then later in the possession, I want to protect

1055
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 1: the pain. No, I know that. But what what what's

1056
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 1: most important is that our guys know, like, that's a

1057
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 1: great cat. You said, the buck stops with me, and

1058
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 1: it does, right. But it's my job, it's our job

1059
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 1: as a staff to get all that intelligence that I

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00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 1: just talked about on our staff to get that intelligence

1061
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 1: onto the court. I need to get that intelligence and

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00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 1: that identity on the court. So it's all has to

1063
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 1: work together, right, because it does for me. You can't

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00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 1: talk offense without talking defense. Our defense and our offense

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00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 1: are married, right, Like, And I don't know, I hate

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00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 1: when coacha. Yeah, we're gonna play fast, were gonna play

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00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 1: up Temple like. Good offense is neither fast nor slow.

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00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 1: Good offense is efficient. You know, good offense is efficient.

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00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 1: Good offenses coupled with great transition defense. You know, good good,

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01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:07,440
Speaker 1: good half court defense is coupled with a good transition offense.

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01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 1: You know, so um, our mission defensively is to keep

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01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 1: the ball out of the paint, take away threes from

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01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:22,440
Speaker 1: good shooters, contest every shot, and limit them the one offensively,

1074
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 1: if we get a defensive rebound in the stock, which

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01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 1: we're gonna be a good defensive team. Our guys have

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01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 1: the first seven seconds of the possession of play man,

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01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 1: get downhill. I got two rules. In transition offense, run

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01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 1: as hard as you can possibly run, and passes someone.

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01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 1: If they're open um in transition, it's theirs. If they

1080
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 1: have the freedom to do what they want in transition,

1081
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:45,479
Speaker 1: knowing that I want to lay up a free throw

1082
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:50,440
Speaker 1: or an open three, and and and in transition. And

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01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:54,439
Speaker 1: then after that seven seconds, we're gonna be in what

1084
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 1: we call playing the game. It's gonna be four out

1085
01:00:57,040 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 1: one in five out. UM principal based offense, you know,

1086
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 1: you know, talk to our guys all the time about

1087
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 1: shared their shared cognition in our offense, if a player

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01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 1: on the right wing is driving baseline, the other four

1089
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 1: guys knowing exactly where they need to be on that

1090
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 1: baseline drive, and the driver knowing exactly the other four

1091
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:21,960
Speaker 1: guys need to be. If he's driving middle, the other

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01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 1: four guys knowing exactly where they need to be. If

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01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:27,800
Speaker 1: if if if, if Malik Henry is coming to set

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01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 1: a ball screen the other the guy with the ball,

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01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 1: and the other three guys knowing exactly what Malie Henry

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01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 1: is gonna do. Is he rolls he popped? Is a a

1097
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 1: short roll? If it's Blake Jones from Australia was a

1098
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 1: six nine shooter. Blake Jones is popping right, So like

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Speaker 1: it's it's it's gonna be you know, I think it's

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01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 1: gonna be fun offensively, and you know our mission on

1101
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:50,440
Speaker 1: offenses to take care of the ball and get a

1102
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 1: great shot. So very simple, very simple, like very simple

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01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 1: sounding things, but you know us being able to implement

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01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 1: it and but most importantly, our guys being able to

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01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 1: more than verbalize it do the things we want. Know

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01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:07,640
Speaker 1: who we are as a team, You know, those guys

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01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 1: knowing our identity and our staff. We're not doing ourselves

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01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:14,920
Speaker 1: any favors if we're hoarding all this information and knowledge

1109
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:17,720
Speaker 1: on the bench, get that information onto the court. We

1110
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:23,160
Speaker 1: need our guys to be smarter than than their guys. Um, okay,

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01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 1: last thing, what what will determine your personal feelings of

1112
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 1: success in your one? Yeah, it's no, you know it's

1113
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 1: for me. It's very Uh, it's it's it's it's on

1114
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 1: a very singular day to day possession by possession basis,

1115
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 1: Like when people what like what like? What? What like?

1116
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 1: What is that? Like? What twenty wins? All right? What

1117
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:55,840
Speaker 1: if you win twenty games and you've got three games

1118
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 1: left to go in the season, Like, what is it

1119
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Speaker 1: getting to the inside tournament? All right? What if you

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Speaker 1: get to the instid of the tourney? Like, now, what

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Speaker 1: are you gonna say? Hey, guys, let's pack it in

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01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:06,920
Speaker 1: a man. Great job. We reached our goal. Our goals

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01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:11,440
Speaker 1: are gonna be very process oriented like our goals And

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01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 1: I could go on a tangent, but like our goal

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01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:19,560
Speaker 1: for like the whole season is too on the rise

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Speaker 1: of our shot. On offense, our goal is to have

1127
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:29,200
Speaker 1: three guys going to offensive rebound and one guy spreading back.

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Speaker 1: As hard as he can, and that guy that's back

1129
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:34,680
Speaker 1: is back. He's pointing Howard and the the guys that did

1130
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:36,840
Speaker 1: go to the glass, they didn't get it. Those guys

1131
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:38,600
Speaker 1: are running as hard as they can run back in

1132
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 1: transition defense, and then we're building a wall to keep

1133
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:43,919
Speaker 1: the other team out the paint. We're getting matchups, we're

1134
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:47,680
Speaker 1: identifying shooters, were not allowing any zero pass paint touches,

1135
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:51,880
Speaker 1: not allowing any kick ahead threes. We're keeping the ball

1136
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:54,760
Speaker 1: out of the paint. We're closing out with high hands.

1137
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 1: We're playing defense without fouling where we're where, we're executing

1138
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:01,480
Speaker 1: our pick and rope coverage at the point of the screen,

1139
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:05,760
Speaker 1: hitting people, not being soft right on the rise of

1140
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:08,479
Speaker 1: the shot. It's not it's not looking at the flight

1141
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:10,600
Speaker 1: of the ball. It's finding who's coming in and it's

1142
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 1: laying the wood. It's hitting them as hard as you can.

1143
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:15,120
Speaker 1: It's going to get the rebound for two hands, with

1144
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:18,720
Speaker 1: two hands securing the rebound looking up the court, like

1145
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 1: for me, that's a goal achieved, Like that's our goal

1146
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 1: for this season to be able to do that for

1147
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:29,680
Speaker 1: and and then on offense, it's it's running as hard

1148
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:31,760
Speaker 1: as you can. It is passing to someone if they're open.

1149
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:35,640
Speaker 1: It's taking care of the ball, it's playing unselfishly, it's

1150
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:38,400
Speaker 1: it's fine. It's playing in a possession to find the

1151
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 1: absolute best shot for our team. And then it's on

1152
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 1: the rise of the shot doing exactly what I just said, Like,

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01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:48,640
Speaker 1: that's my goals this season. Is that That's all I

1154
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:51,919
Speaker 1: want our players thinking about, because nothing else, no goal

1155
01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:55,800
Speaker 1: I could say, matters right now on May twenties, like,

1156
01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 1: the only goal is to get what I just described

1157
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:03,280
Speaker 1: to you, like, and if we can literally focus in

1158
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:08,600
Speaker 1: and hone in on that with those responsibilities every single possession,

1159
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:15,200
Speaker 1: I feel great about the outcome of our season. Um,

1160
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:17,880
Speaker 1: it's interesting that in our last party you talked about

1161
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:23,920
Speaker 1: how you believe you succeeded at Missouri because you failed

1162
01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 1: at first. You know, when you first got there, we

1163
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:29,760
Speaker 1: were the thirteen thirteen out of thirteen and that you know,

1164
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 1: one of the reasons you felt like you guys lost

1165
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 1: the Norfolk State was because you succeeded in the Big

1166
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 1: twelve tournament and then because you succeeded in Summer League.

1167
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:44,240
Speaker 1: It took away a little bit of of your hunger

1168
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:48,000
Speaker 1: in the NBA and and it hurts your your season

1169
01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:52,720
Speaker 1: with Pistons. It's interesting. I wonder if if that's that

1170
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 1: will be the case at Mason, right, like if you

1171
01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:57,840
Speaker 1: struggle out of the gate. Because I'll just give you

1172
01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:00,960
Speaker 1: a perfect personal example. So I coached the Maccabi Games

1173
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:06,200
Speaker 1: teams the Jewish Olympics. You know. Um, I, like anybody,

1174
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:07,600
Speaker 1: you think you have all the answers, you think you

1175
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:10,200
Speaker 1: know what you're doing. You go through practices leading up

1176
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:13,080
Speaker 1: to it. Guys are like, oh, this is amazing, You're

1177
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:17,920
Speaker 1: so we go. We play the Israeli junior national team

1178
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:22,600
Speaker 1: and you know, we get good players, and um We're

1179
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:27,400
Speaker 1: down two to start the game, and I call it time.

1180
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:30,640
Speaker 1: It's just a friend, and I call it time out.

1181
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:34,040
Speaker 1: And I'm sitting out to myself, all right, and I

1182
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:39,400
Speaker 1: don't know what I'm going, you know, And um, I

1183
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:41,960
Speaker 1: had come with the idea in mind. I have these

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01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:45,800
Speaker 1: two like Jewish ones like six and eleven, the other

1185
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:49,640
Speaker 1: ones like six, and so I scrapped it and I

1186
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:52,400
Speaker 1: went small and we made it competitive, and I think

1187
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:54,600
Speaker 1: we lost by like six or eight or whatever. But

1188
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:56,320
Speaker 1: I was messing around with how I wanted to guard

1189
01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:58,080
Speaker 1: the ball screen in the second half and it probably

1190
01:06:58,120 --> 01:07:01,440
Speaker 1: cost us points. But what you said rang true, which

1191
01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:04,600
Speaker 1: was I was I've been thinking about this since we

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Speaker 1: last talk, which was had that not happened, I would

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01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:12,920
Speaker 1: have walked around thinking I knew exactly what I was

1194
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:16,680
Speaker 1: doing and been wrong. And you know, we won that

1195
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Speaker 1: tournament because of my ability to change on the fly

1196
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Speaker 1: and figure out to go small to go big, and

1197
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:27,480
Speaker 1: and I also changed my whole philosophy about playing small

1198
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:30,760
Speaker 1: coaching in that tournament. And and something somebody told me

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Speaker 1: when I was interviewing for a job once where like, hey, look,

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01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:35,600
Speaker 1: you know a lot of basketball. You're gonna learn more

1201
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:38,560
Speaker 1: coaching one college basketball game. Then you've learned the whole

1202
01:07:38,560 --> 01:07:41,360
Speaker 1: rest of your life. You just there's so many things

1203
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:45,440
Speaker 1: that happened in one college basketball game. And I just

1204
01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:47,720
Speaker 1: I wonder for you what that's gonna be like. Because

1205
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:50,480
Speaker 1: you know what you're doing, you know the game, you've

1206
01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:53,680
Speaker 1: done it, you've lived it, we've seen it, you felt it,

1207
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:56,320
Speaker 1: and you have great instincts for what you should do.

1208
01:07:56,800 --> 01:07:59,919
Speaker 1: But it's just different. And I wonder if immediate six

1209
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:03,160
Speaker 1: tests in your will plant the negative seed in your mind,

1210
01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:10,680
Speaker 1: Like what happens if you guys start out. No, no, no,

1211
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:13,000
Speaker 1: it's it's not about that, you know. It's as a

1212
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:16,640
Speaker 1: as a as a Japanese word called kaisen kaisen k

1213
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:20,280
Speaker 1: a i z and and kaisen means continual growth, like

1214
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:24,000
Speaker 1: continual growth is all that matters, Like growth is all

1215
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:27,839
Speaker 1: that matters. Um no, Rudyard Kipling at all these inny windows,

1216
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:29,800
Speaker 1: but like that they reign true when you really do

1217
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:34,599
Speaker 1: make them who you are, Like like Rudyard Kipling says,

1218
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:37,759
Speaker 1: if you can meet with triumph and disaster and treat

1219
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:42,880
Speaker 1: those two impostors just the same, their impostors, their impostors.

1220
01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:46,400
Speaker 1: If we are building our team, and would you ask

1221
01:08:46,439 --> 01:08:48,120
Speaker 1: me about what my goal was, and I describe to

1222
01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:51,160
Speaker 1: you our defense possession, in our offense possession. If we

1223
01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:56,200
Speaker 1: are getting better in that and losing games, we're just

1224
01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:58,639
Speaker 1: gonna keep getting better and those things like we know,

1225
01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:00,800
Speaker 1: no no coach in the world gonna argue that those

1226
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:04,240
Speaker 1: things don't ont the reason teams win basketball games about

1227
01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:07,559
Speaker 1: four and teams in a tough contested shots, getting first

1228
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:11,519
Speaker 1: shot rebounds, taking care of the ball, getting great, getting

1229
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:14,960
Speaker 1: your best players the best shots. Like if we win

1230
01:09:15,320 --> 01:09:17,639
Speaker 1: our first few games and we're gonna have a beast

1231
01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:20,960
Speaker 1: of a schedule. We're gonna have a beast of a schedule. Um,

1232
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:23,880
Speaker 1: if we win our first few games, like, we're gonna

1233
01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:26,880
Speaker 1: continue to get better at those things, Like it's it's

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01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:31,120
Speaker 1: it's it's not. I'm beyond that point now where success

1235
01:09:31,240 --> 01:09:36,280
Speaker 1: or failure is gonna make me think, um like hot stuff, right, Like,

1236
01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:41,120
Speaker 1: I know I'm not that good. Yeah, that's why I

1237
01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:46,719
Speaker 1: worked extremely hard. Stephen Curry and Damian Lillard, who are

1238
01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:51,719
Speaker 1: ridiculously good. When you hear those guys after fifty point games,

1239
01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:54,439
Speaker 1: they talk about still having things they have to work on,

1240
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:57,240
Speaker 1: it's because of the work, the work I put in.

1241
01:09:57,720 --> 01:10:01,080
Speaker 1: So you know, if I'm preaching that to our team,

1242
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:03,880
Speaker 1: it's the same with me, it's the same with our staff,

1243
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:07,040
Speaker 1: Like how are we getting better every day? No madaity outcome,

1244
01:10:07,600 --> 01:10:10,040
Speaker 1: no madat the outcome, Like things are never as good

1245
01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:12,040
Speaker 1: as they seen, Things are never as bad as they seen,

1246
01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:15,320
Speaker 1: you know. So it's it's not about the outcome. It's

1247
01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:17,400
Speaker 1: it's about what we are doing. Are we doing the

1248
01:10:17,479 --> 01:10:21,679
Speaker 1: things that we value as important? I appreciate this time.

1249
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:23,320
Speaker 1: I know you gotta go, and I got a lot

1250
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:25,599
Speaker 1: of stuff to do. I got talking to steal man.

1251
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:29,200
Speaker 1: He's a George Mason. Great. Go do that. We'll talk

1252
01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:34,479
Speaker 1: to you. Okay, Thanks brother, Appreciate it all. Remember listen

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Speaker 1: to The Doug Gottli Show daily three or six Eastern

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1256
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