WEBVTT - Natalie Coughlin on Training, Mindset, and Wine Making 0:00:00.720 --> 0:00:02.960 Speaking of Chopped and Iron Chef, because not a lot 0:00:02.960 --> 0:00:05.760 of people know that you're very competitive cooking as well. 0:00:06.440 --> 0:00:10.200 I am not like you, but you almost won. Can 0:00:10.240 --> 0:00:12.840 I tell you I one Iron Chef, but I actually 0:00:12.840 --> 0:00:14.640 have never one Chop. I compete there all the time. 0:00:14.640 --> 0:00:16.600 I've gotten to the end twice once with my wife, 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:19.360 and I lost. I'm so I'm still angry about that. 0:00:20.400 --> 0:00:24.880 It's so funny because I had more nightmares and more 0:00:24.920 --> 0:00:29.320 anxiety going into Chopped than I had before the Olympics 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:32.199 than I had before Dancing with the Stars than I 0:00:32.240 --> 0:00:37.639 had really before anything, and it was crazy. My name 0:00:37.680 --> 0:00:40.600 is Jeffers Carrion and you're listening to four Courses with 0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:45.240 Jeffrey Carrion from I Heart Radio. In four courses, I'll 0:00:45.240 --> 0:00:47.200 be taking you along for the ride while I talked 0:00:47.240 --> 0:00:50.560 with the top talent of our time. In each conversation, 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:53.600 I focused on four different areas from my guest life 0:00:53.720 --> 0:00:57.400 and career. And during those four courses, I'm gonna dig, 0:00:57.480 --> 0:01:00.320 deepen and cover new insights and inspirations that we can 0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:04.160 all use to fuel ourselves to push forward. My guest 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:07.160 for this episode has been a judge on Iron Chef 0:01:07.160 --> 0:01:10.640 and a contestant un chopped, is raising two children while 0:01:10.680 --> 0:01:13.800 building a wine business from the ground up, and she 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:16.520 happens to be an Olympic athlete. In fact, of the 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:18.920 tens of thousands of men and women who have competed 0:01:18.959 --> 0:01:22.119 in the Summer Olympics since its inception, she is only 0:01:22.160 --> 0:01:25.759 one of fourteen who have won a dozen medals, Yes, 0:01:25.959 --> 0:01:30.120 a dozen, Without further delay, Please enjoy my informative and 0:01:30.319 --> 0:01:34.120 wide ranging discussion with a warm hearted and hard working 0:01:34.560 --> 0:01:38.240 Natalie Coglin. Hi, Hi, Jeffrey, It's good to see you again. 0:01:38.720 --> 0:01:41.240 It's good to see you again. For my first course, 0:01:41.319 --> 0:01:44.200 we talked about all things swimming. She tells me about 0:01:44.240 --> 0:01:47.280 all the extensive support she received from her family, and 0:01:47.360 --> 0:01:50.480 she outlines the meditative benefits of being under hoarder for 0:01:50.560 --> 0:01:53.160 six hours a day. How in God's name did you 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:58.680 get to a point where you knew how to do this? How? 0:01:58.880 --> 0:02:00.880 I mean, did you just decide like I'm just going 0:02:00.960 --> 0:02:04.000 to be a swimmer when you're eight. I always said 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:06.280 that I was competitive from the second I got out 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:10.480 the womb. You know, I was born competitive, and I 0:02:10.720 --> 0:02:14.560 diaper exactly like. I can't remember a time that I 0:02:14.600 --> 0:02:17.840 wasn't competitive. And it didn't necessary, like I didn't have 0:02:17.880 --> 0:02:20.200 to be good at something. I always wanted to be 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:24.120 the best, and like if it was dance class, I 0:02:24.160 --> 0:02:27.480 wanted to do three spins for everyone spin that the 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:29.920 girl next to me did. I was a terrible dancer, 0:02:30.080 --> 0:02:32.200 but mind you, but I just wanted to do more 0:02:32.680 --> 0:02:35.079 in my little brain, you know, I wanted to be better. 0:02:35.600 --> 0:02:38.520 And I was better in the water than I was 0:02:38.560 --> 0:02:41.600 on land as a little kid, and so I joined swimming, 0:02:42.080 --> 0:02:45.120 but I wasn't I wasn't good at first. I was 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:49.720 just really really competitive, and eventually I got to be 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:53.720 a decent age group swimmer. And then by about thirteen 0:02:53.880 --> 0:02:56.200 was really when I hit the national stage, going to 0:02:56.280 --> 0:02:59.760 junior Nationals, going to Nationals, and actually finally at Nationals, 0:02:59.800 --> 0:03:02.520 all within one year, Like I will never forget. I 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:06.040 was in Fort Lauderdale for my very first Nationals and 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:11.320 I final and I remember the announcer saying in lane one, 0:03:11.440 --> 0:03:15.040 thirteen year old Natalie Coaglin, and that was just I mean, 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:20.240 I I choked and I had an awful race. But yeah, 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:24.560 I got really good, very very quickly in those preteen years. 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:27.160 So how did your dad, who was a police officer 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:29.440 in your mom who was Filipino. How did they know 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:31.239 how to enter all this and how did they guide 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:33.400 you and take you on the road, Like there's a 0:03:33.440 --> 0:03:37.120 conversation between mom and dad, right like we gotta do this. 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:40.160 She's really good, you think, So, like how did that happen? 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:42.280 And how do your your siblings sort of fit in 0:03:42.320 --> 0:03:44.520 that narrative because there's a lot of work being on 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:46.560 the road and all that. It's a lot of work. 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:50.320 And by the time I was a teenager, they weren't 0:03:50.320 --> 0:03:53.160 traveling with us. You know, we traveled with our team 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:55.960 and we had chaperones and stuff. But yeah, the age 0:03:55.960 --> 0:03:59.800 group years, so from like six to probably eleven or twelve, 0:04:00.280 --> 0:04:03.600 my parents had to go to meets that lasted all 0:04:03.680 --> 0:04:08.280 day long and through really really hot California weather and cold, 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:12.000 rainy California weather. It was tough. And they were the 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:16.400 perfect athletic parents and that they pushed me to work 0:04:16.480 --> 0:04:21.440 hard and they helped me goal set, but they never 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:25.640 chose my goals for me. They just they they stupidly 0:04:25.760 --> 0:04:29.240 one year came up with a financial reward for every 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:32.240 cut that I got, So five dollars if you get 0:04:32.279 --> 0:04:35.160 this PRT. But if you jump from one cut to 0:04:35.240 --> 0:04:38.720 the next higher cut, you got fifteen dollars. And I 0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:41.640 remember in one summer I got like six d dollars, 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:45.200 which in the late eighties early nineties for my working 0:04:45.240 --> 0:04:48.359 class parents was a ton of money. That was the 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:50.960 one and only summer they ever bribed me financially, because 0:04:50.960 --> 0:04:54.520 I was very very driven. Oh, I guess, So did 0:04:54.560 --> 0:04:56.560 this leave you any sort of I mean, I know 0:04:56.640 --> 0:04:59.120 your your mom, I thought was very sweet because we're 0:04:59.160 --> 0:05:01.520 both Catholic, that she found a Mass for you. That's 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:04.400 so sweet. I mean, just a dedication that was just 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:08.240 so funny. Like, yes, I was very very Catholic um 0:05:08.600 --> 0:05:11.280 growing up, and my parents still are, and I went 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:14.159 to Catholic school through high school. And even if we 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:16.120 had a swim meet on the weekend, we found we 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:19.600 found a Mass, and it could be a Spanish Mass, 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:22.039 but we still went. It's like, Mom, I don't speak Spanish. 0:05:22.320 --> 0:05:26.240 It's like, but it counts, okay. The communion is communion. 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:29.279 You're going exactly exactly, we know what the gifts are 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:31.760 and it's five o'clock in the afternoons, one every hour, 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:35.040 so there's no excuse, right. It's so funny. Even when 0:05:35.080 --> 0:05:38.599 I had my first World Championships and I think it 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:42.760 was Fukuoka, Japan. My parents got on a train an 0:05:42.800 --> 0:05:44.920 hour and a half each way to find a Catholic 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:47.880 mass that fitted into their their schedule, which was in Japanese. 0:05:47.920 --> 0:05:52.359 By the way, Wow, they're very dedicated. I mean obviously 0:05:52.400 --> 0:05:54.960 that the physicality of swimming and running is something that 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:57.920 you can't you know, if you're a musician, you can, 0:05:58.000 --> 0:06:00.560 like you know, exist on a fifth of whiskey and 0:06:00.680 --> 0:06:05.080 like some sneakers, right, because that's what they do, right. 0:06:05.720 --> 0:06:08.160 But if you're a swimmer or an athlete, what did 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:11.040 you eat growing up so that you became so like? 0:06:11.680 --> 0:06:13.360 I mean, I was, I was looking at all these 0:06:13.440 --> 0:06:15.760 YouTube and videos of you. You're like in such great 0:06:15.760 --> 0:06:17.880 shape at an early age you were as well. How 0:06:17.880 --> 0:06:20.920 did that all happen? Yeah? My mom was always conscious 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:25.599 about giving me healthy food, nutritious food. And even though 0:06:25.640 --> 0:06:29.120 my mom worked full time, she came home after work 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:32.360 every day and cooked us dinner. Filipino culture is such 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:35.839 a nurturing culture in very many ways. And if you see, 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:38.599 if you ever go to a holiday at a Filipino 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:41.760 family's house, you think they're feeding an army because it's 0:06:41.800 --> 0:06:45.120 just so much. And my mom was always that way, 0:06:45.200 --> 0:06:47.960 and she's continues to be that way. Like my sister 0:06:48.120 --> 0:06:51.520 just had her first baby last week, and my mom's 0:06:51.560 --> 0:06:54.120 going down to San Diego to visit her and is 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:56.640 bringing coolers of food and it's going to cook her 0:06:57.000 --> 0:06:59.480 you know, breakfast, bunch of dinner. Yeah. Yeah, she's being 0:06:59.640 --> 0:07:02.400 a very happy grandma. And that my mom has always 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:05.120 been that way. And I was very very fortunate. It 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:07.680 was just your mom's Filipino and you know, we all 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:09.280 the time like this, and you're just gonna eat ten 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:13.239 times as much. Exactly exactly did she bring the food 0:07:13.280 --> 0:07:16.760 along and and like in storage containers already prepped for 0:07:16.840 --> 0:07:21.720 like break Both my parents were always prepared. My dad 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:24.440 was the one who got the pop up at the 0:07:24.480 --> 0:07:27.160 slim Meat and like the tent set up and got 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:29.720 the location scouted out of. My mom always gave us 0:07:29.800 --> 0:07:32.960 the snacks and the food and it was a family operation. 0:07:33.120 --> 0:07:36.080 And you asked about siblings. I have a younger sister. 0:07:36.480 --> 0:07:38.920 She was at the meats as well, and yeah, it's 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:42.000 just the two of us and all of our teammates 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:45.160 and getting fed by our parents and sheltered by them. 0:07:45.200 --> 0:07:48.120 It was. It was really fun. And those meats can 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:51.640 be brutal because they're you know, three days, all day, 0:07:51.800 --> 0:07:54.680 but my parents get the best of it. They're all day. 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:57.120 What do you do when you're not in the pool. Well, 0:07:57.160 --> 0:07:59.119 when you're a little kid, you run around and play 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:02.560 tag and you're in your suit all day making friendship bracelets. 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:05.880 I don't know what the parents do to to stay busy. Honestly, 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:07.960 they're not on their cell phone on their texting. There 0:08:08.040 --> 0:08:10.680 was no texting. Yeah, there's none of that then. But yeah, 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:13.720 we would swim, you know, five races and there'll be 0:08:13.920 --> 0:08:16.480 maybe an hour or two in between races. And I 0:08:16.520 --> 0:08:18.280 have no idea what my parents did, but we were 0:08:18.400 --> 0:08:21.680 always run around with friends and make the most of it. 0:08:21.720 --> 0:08:24.080 But it is an all day affair. Did you work 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:27.920 with anyone for any data collection for your body as 0:08:27.920 --> 0:08:30.800 you were getting better and more exceptional and more exceptional. Yeah, 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:33.679 so towards the end of my career, so when I 0:08:33.720 --> 0:08:37.000 was in my twenties and early thirties, we definitely did 0:08:37.000 --> 0:08:40.880 a lot more data collection in terms of blood work analysis, 0:08:41.080 --> 0:08:43.600 so you know if your white blood cell account is high, 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:46.679 or if your cortisol levels are really high. There are 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:50.840 several different markers of overtraining which swimmers fall into the 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:55.360 overtraining trap quite a bit because even though my race 0:08:55.440 --> 0:08:57.360 might be a hundred meters long, we have to train 0:08:57.480 --> 0:09:00.199 five six hours a day, six days a week. It's 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:03.640 really brutal because I mean is full body, it's power, 0:09:03.760 --> 0:09:06.959 but it's also endurance. It's kind of a natural you're 0:09:07.040 --> 0:09:10.280 using like every single muscle in your body, so overtraining 0:09:10.320 --> 0:09:13.560 can happen. And I started focusing on nutrition really really 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:18.199 heavily in college and then post college, and specifically recovery nutrition. 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:22.080 So right after a workout, making sure to get a 0:09:22.120 --> 0:09:25.240 proper balance of carbs, fat, and protein. I would always 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:29.199 pack my smoothies because a lot of times after really 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:32.040 hard training session, it sounds so stupid you're too tired 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:34.240 to eat. So if you could drink your calories that 0:09:34.240 --> 0:09:37.680 would That was always the best. So if I was traveling, 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:41.400 I would actually travel with an ensure like the stuff 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:44.240 that they give geriatric patients. But it was kind of 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:47.560 a perfect food in that had plenty of sugar, it 0:09:47.559 --> 0:09:51.000 had fat, and it had protein and it was shelf stable. 0:09:51.080 --> 0:09:53.200 So that's what I used when I was in China 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:55.520 or in Japan or just a place where I didn't 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:57.560 have a refrigerator and I could just throw it in 0:09:57.600 --> 0:10:00.600 my bag. But if I was here home, I would 0:10:00.600 --> 0:10:03.800 make a really nutrient dense smoothie that was easy to 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:05.960 eat in the car ride home. But the recovery part 0:10:06.000 --> 0:10:09.520 is so important because again, as summers, we need so 0:10:09.640 --> 0:10:13.679 much stored energy, so glycogen in our muscles, and so 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:18.199 keeping keeping the car bload up is actually quite important. 0:10:18.200 --> 0:10:20.600 And I know today you know a lot of people 0:10:20.640 --> 0:10:23.760 are trying to lower their carbs, but summers we really 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:25.320 need to have a lot of that as well as 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:28.960 a lot of protein. So the blood count work was 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:32.000 the person who did that? Internally? Did you have anyone 0:10:32.400 --> 0:10:35.560 giving you supplements like vitamin supplements, like you need x 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:37.440 X y Z for your joints, you need x y 0:10:37.520 --> 0:10:40.679 Z for your metabolic side. You need this for your brain. 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:43.640 I mean, the brain seems to be something the muscle 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:45.719 that you would work. So you have to calm your 0:10:45.720 --> 0:10:48.040 brain and then rev up everything else. But your brain 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:52.200 is performing at this rapid intensity and timing and thinking, 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:54.320 how do you take care of here? I mean, did 0:10:54.360 --> 0:10:57.160 you have a sports psychologist with you? We had access 0:10:57.240 --> 0:11:00.960 to a sports psychologist throughout my career, but it just 0:11:01.040 --> 0:11:04.360 never clicked with me. I have actually my degrees in psychology, 0:11:04.440 --> 0:11:08.320 so that's something that has always been very interesting to me. 0:11:08.520 --> 0:11:12.520 But I always would try to see the sports psychologist 0:11:12.640 --> 0:11:15.600 and I never quite understood how it worked. And the 0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:18.760 nature is I mean is that you're you're in your 0:11:18.800 --> 0:11:21.559 own head. And if you're someone who I would consider 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:25.600 myself an introspective person, So in slimming, you're underwater for 0:11:25.800 --> 0:11:28.280 hours and hours and hours in the day, so you 0:11:28.320 --> 0:11:31.120 are in your own head and working through the demons 0:11:31.200 --> 0:11:34.120 and the angel and devil on your shoulder. You have 0:11:34.200 --> 0:11:36.000 to work through that, and if you do that in 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:39.520 a healthy way, that could be very very powerful. And 0:11:39.760 --> 0:11:42.600 I feel like the mental side of things I was 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:47.400 very good at and just from practice, and people you know, 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:51.200 are often trying to meditate, you know, it's the hardest thing, 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:54.200 and especially today's society where we have our phones, we 0:11:54.280 --> 0:11:57.679 have you know, I'm constantly listening listening to podcasts when 0:11:57.679 --> 0:12:00.200 I probably as much as I love them, I would 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:02.120 probably be in my own head a little bit more 0:12:02.160 --> 0:12:04.440 than I than I am. But swimming enforces you to 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:06.120 be in your own head. It's nice to be in 0:12:06.200 --> 0:12:08.640 someone else's head, you know, come on, it is just 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:10.680 tell me what to do and I'll be okay, it 0:12:10.760 --> 0:12:13.560 really is. But yeah, swimming enforces you to be in 0:12:13.600 --> 0:12:16.520 your own head and you have to confront that. And 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:20.320 so I think just through the years, I was able 0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:24.320 to work through that and become really really mentally strong. 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:27.120 But I would always try and work with the sports psychologist, 0:12:27.160 --> 0:12:29.040 but it just never worked out for me. You did 0:12:29.080 --> 0:12:33.280 so well in Athens and in London and Japan. How 0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:35.800 in God's name do you travel with the hours and 0:12:35.880 --> 0:12:37.880 how do you get your body? I mean, I know 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:41.400 myself when I travel, I'm I'm I'm even when I'm 0:12:41.400 --> 0:12:45.720 doing everything right, going to bed, eating perfect, you know, 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:49.920 getting extrasly, I'm never a hundred. How do you take that? 0:12:49.920 --> 0:12:52.800 That performance and that science and practice and hard work 0:12:52.840 --> 0:12:57.480 and like make the time zone and that being oddly 0:12:57.600 --> 0:13:01.319 out of your own you know, environment work. It's hard. 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:04.200 We would always give ourselves at least one day per 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:07.800 time zone crossed. So if you're going, you know, eight 0:13:07.800 --> 0:13:10.840 hours ahead, give yourself at least eight days, if not ten. 0:13:11.400 --> 0:13:14.800 But the biggest thing is just suffering through that first 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:17.600 day and going to bed when it's nighttime. So I 0:13:17.640 --> 0:13:21.000 was really good at that. Yeah, because so many of 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:23.520 my teammates, you know, we would go to Australia and 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:25.720 get there in the morning, and then they take a 0:13:25.760 --> 0:13:27.920 big nap that day and then they couldn't sleep that night. 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:29.920 I would just suffer through the first day, go to 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:32.199 bed at nine or eight thirty, and then I was 0:13:32.240 --> 0:13:35.040 fine the next day. I was actually a very very 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:39.600 good traveler because I was kind of able to sleep anywhere. 0:13:39.600 --> 0:13:42.600 I'm one of those blessed people who if you give 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:44.840 me the time to sleep, I'll put on my imask 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:46.800 and earplugs and I'll pass out like I could do 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:49.480 it anywhere. So that was fortunate because there there were 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:51.679 times when it wasn't the Olympics, when it was just 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:55.800 a World Cup or you know, lesser meat where there 0:13:55.800 --> 0:13:57.920 are times I I fu in the night before in 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:01.120 France or in Monaco, and then the next day and 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:04.559 you just you don't feel great, but you stuck it up. 0:14:18.520 --> 0:14:21.640 For my second course, Natalie explains some of the beautiful 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:25.640 stories behind your cookbook Cook to Thrive. Your cookbook, I 0:14:25.640 --> 0:14:27.320 was reading Cook to Thrive, and I was looking at 0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:28.960 some of the things you, and you know a lot 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:32.640 of people have these cookbooks. They're unnecessarily healthy when which 0:14:32.680 --> 0:14:35.600 means everything is devoid of anything that's bad for you. 0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:39.680 And I love your dishes because it's they're healthy, they're 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:42.320 they're wholesome. There's real food you have like actually peaches 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:44.880 and cream, you have breakfast, fried rice, you have like 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:49.040 real food. But it's done with purity and sensitivity and 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:52.680 portion control. And it really is a very good cookbook. 0:14:52.680 --> 0:14:54.960 It reminded me of something that Martha Steward makes. You 0:14:55.080 --> 0:14:58.800 make real ingredients the right proportion, Like it's not about 0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:01.680 being on a diet is but lifestyle choice. You're eating correctly, 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:03.800 Like it's okay to have cream once in a while, 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:07.720 it's okay to have things that we continue to call 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:11.440 a problem or naughty, and you know, you know, there's 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:14.400 no there's no mention of like what's your cheat meal 0:15:14.440 --> 0:15:16.520 and all that, because everything has a bit of cheat 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:18.600 in it. So it was kind of refreshing. Can you 0:15:18.640 --> 0:15:20.560 tell me about how that, how it came about and 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:24.240 what expired you to make a cookbook like this? I 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:29.360 appreciate that so much. I remember in shopping the book 0:15:29.400 --> 0:15:33.880 around to various publishers, awful process, by the way, a 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:39.520 very like unhappy process. It really truly is. And I 0:15:39.520 --> 0:15:43.360 remember shopping it around and so many publishers are like, hey, 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:46.160 this one book worked, and we want you to have 0:15:46.280 --> 0:15:49.400 all healthy ingredients, and that's just not me. And it's 0:15:49.480 --> 0:15:53.440 so I'm not someone who just flogs myself every day 0:15:53.520 --> 0:15:56.920 and you know, eats chicken breast and broccoli and brown 0:15:57.040 --> 0:16:00.360 rice at every single meal. That is so boring. I mean, 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:02.800 more power to if you're someone like that. That's not 0:16:02.880 --> 0:16:05.480 my psychology. If you tell me I can't have something, 0:16:05.840 --> 0:16:08.360 all I do is obsess on it. So if I 0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:11.960 say I'm not going to have wine, I will obsess 0:16:12.000 --> 0:16:16.200 about a glass of wine. And having already two kids 0:16:16.440 --> 0:16:19.160 for those two pregnancies, I was like, all I want 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:21.680 is a class of wine. Yeah, it's a lifestyle. You 0:16:21.760 --> 0:16:24.160 have to fit the things that you love into into 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:27.320 your lifestyle, and it's more satisfying that way. You do 0:16:27.560 --> 0:16:30.360 end up controlling your portions that way when you have 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:33.280 real fat. You know, I'm drinking my coffee right now 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:35.920 and I have heavy cream in it because it's delicious, 0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:39.840 and yeah, I mean, I'm not going to do skim 0:16:39.920 --> 0:16:43.240 milk in my coffee, Like that's disgusting, Like why why worry? 0:16:43.720 --> 0:16:46.040 Like why waste your time? Well? I love the book 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:48.720 and I did this, I mean your mom's cooking obviously, 0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:50.560 did it? Really? I saw a few little things in 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:53.280 there there where can you was there? How much influence 0:16:53.360 --> 0:16:56.960 was there? Yeah? So the cookbook, there are several family recipes, 0:16:57.040 --> 0:16:59.920 and I was very fortunate in that my grandma is 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:03.400 still alive, my mom is still alive, and my great 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:06.439 grandma was alive until I was in college, so I 0:17:06.480 --> 0:17:09.439 had had access to all of the recipes. Yeah. I 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:12.199 was very very fortunate. And so I was calling my 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:15.280 grandma quite a bit in the process, asking her because 0:17:15.400 --> 0:17:17.560 you know, she doesn't write any of her recipes down, 0:17:17.680 --> 0:17:20.479 so I kind of tortured her and that, Hey, Grandma, 0:17:20.520 --> 0:17:22.680 I really need you to write this slom Via recipe down. 0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:25.040 I really need you to write this Ponset recipe down 0:17:25.480 --> 0:17:29.840 and recipe testing with that, and then combining the way 0:17:29.920 --> 0:17:33.160 that my great grandma, my grandma, and my mom all 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:35.600 made adobo into the way that I like it. It's 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:38.080 kind of a mix of all three. And so my 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:41.040 adobo I use coconut cream, which is something that my 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:44.040 great grandma did, but my grandma and my mom never did. 0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:47.280 It's kind of homage to the women in my family 0:17:47.400 --> 0:17:50.439 that have always cooked for me, and I wanted to 0:17:50.440 --> 0:17:54.360 share those recipes that make me so happy. And testing 0:17:54.359 --> 0:17:57.320 those out for the cookbook just brought me back to 0:17:57.359 --> 0:18:00.080 Thanksgiving and Christmas and Mother's Day and Eastern all of 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:03.840 our holidays where the kitchen was filled with those aromas. 0:18:05.960 --> 0:18:08.160 And for my third course, we got to talk about 0:18:08.160 --> 0:18:11.600 a favorite topic of mine. Wine Now explains how she 0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:15.240 spontaneously agreed to partner on producing a wine label and 0:18:15.440 --> 0:18:18.200 how she's needed to summon her Olympic spirit to overcome 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:22.320 the surprising challenges of the wine business. Gratulations. You just 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:24.280 had a baby recently, right now, I did. I just 0:18:24.359 --> 0:18:27.840 had my second, so I have a five month old 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:30.720 and to almost two and a half year old, So 0:18:30.840 --> 0:18:33.600 obviously you must do this stressful pandemic period. You must 0:18:33.640 --> 0:18:36.160 have drank plenty of Gooderian wines, which is your winery 0:18:36.160 --> 0:18:38.960 and NAPA. Right. Yeah, well not as much as I 0:18:39.000 --> 0:18:42.320 would like, because I was pregnant up until October, but 0:18:42.480 --> 0:18:46.439 I made up for it since. But not good timing, 0:18:47.760 --> 0:18:50.560 A lot, a lot of tasting and spitting, but yeah, 0:18:50.600 --> 0:18:54.480 we I started Gadarian Wines with my winemaker back in 0:18:56.240 --> 0:18:59.920 and yeah, we've we've been slowly growing. Our two flagship 0:19:00.000 --> 0:19:04.160 wines are Shannon Blanc and Peino Noir. We have a 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:07.959 very lovely, lovely shan In Blanc. It's old wine Shannon. 0:19:08.080 --> 0:19:10.919 It's one of seven acres left in Napa Valley of 0:19:10.960 --> 0:19:14.240 Shannon Blanc. And this is any It's at least fifty 0:19:14.280 --> 0:19:17.040 years old, but there aren't any records prior to fifty years, 0:19:17.160 --> 0:19:20.679 so it's a unique, very unique vineyard. Last year we 0:19:20.720 --> 0:19:25.959 won gold at the Somalia's Choice Awards with that Shannon 0:19:26.080 --> 0:19:30.000 and then also our Rose of Peino Noir and it 0:19:30.040 --> 0:19:32.560 was great. And then you know, we had we had 0:19:32.560 --> 0:19:35.440 to suffer through the wildfires that a lot of people 0:19:35.560 --> 0:19:38.800 did last year, but fortunately our vineyards were intact. We 0:19:38.960 --> 0:19:42.320 just had a lot of smoke damage, so we lost 0:19:42.359 --> 0:19:44.919 all of our red wine last year, but we were 0:19:44.960 --> 0:19:48.080 able to produce a good Shannon Blanc and a Rose 0:19:48.200 --> 0:19:50.760 of Peino Noir. So how did you come about owning 0:19:50.840 --> 0:19:53.080 co owning a winery? That mean it to me? It's 0:19:53.080 --> 0:19:56.280 it's I mean, the restaurant business is hard. The wine 0:19:56.280 --> 0:19:58.919 businesses like relentless and you know you're at you know, 0:19:58.920 --> 0:20:03.120 at the mercy of God. Basically, how did that come about? Yes, 0:20:03.320 --> 0:20:06.280 and I've I've learned that I've learned in the past 0:20:06.320 --> 0:20:09.320 four years, we've had a wildfire every year. It's It's 0:20:09.359 --> 0:20:11.879 something that I've always been really interested in. My parents 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:15.440 were always into wine, and I've and once I became 0:20:15.480 --> 0:20:18.480 of age to drink wine, I would go out to 0:20:18.560 --> 0:20:20.840 Napa Valley. It's only an hour from where I live, 0:20:21.080 --> 0:20:23.919 and I wanted to learn more about it. I wanted 0:20:23.920 --> 0:20:28.640 to explore. And as I was learning, one of my 0:20:28.720 --> 0:20:33.040 husband's old teammates from college, he got married and his 0:20:33.119 --> 0:20:36.000 wife is now my business partner. But they moved out here, 0:20:36.280 --> 0:20:39.320 out to California, and she worked her way up in 0:20:39.720 --> 0:20:42.520 the wine industry. And I was always very vocal with 0:20:42.560 --> 0:20:46.840 her on how much I admired how talented she was 0:20:47.000 --> 0:20:49.520 and how quickly she rose from you know, sell a 0:20:49.600 --> 0:20:55.200 rat to analogists to winemaker. And one day she texted 0:20:55.240 --> 0:20:58.159 me and was like, do you want a partner on 0:20:57.920 --> 0:20:59.760 a on a on a label? And I was like 0:21:00.080 --> 0:21:02.520 yes immediately, And I had no idea what I was 0:21:02.560 --> 0:21:04.960 agreeing to the best way to go into a business plan, 0:21:05.200 --> 0:21:07.280 it really is. It kind of this and that's so 0:21:07.400 --> 0:21:10.439 my personality. I mean, this goes back to the confidence 0:21:10.480 --> 0:21:13.880 that I have gotten because of sport. I've always been 0:21:14.240 --> 0:21:19.320 very successful in sport, and that's just kind of my mentality. 0:21:19.440 --> 0:21:21.240 I say yes to things and then I figure it 0:21:21.280 --> 0:21:23.800 out as I go, and so far, so good, you know, 0:21:23.840 --> 0:21:26.760