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Speaker 2: Oh What Up America? Doug Gott leave in for Colin.

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Speaker 2: This is the Herd. Wherever you may be and however

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Speaker 2: you may be making us fun of your day. Thanks

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Speaker 2: so much. Colin is on vacation. You are very likely

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Speaker 2: out and about. Maybe you're doing Black Friday shopping. Maybe

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Speaker 2: you're driving around somebody who's doing Black Friday shopping. Maybe

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Speaker 2: you had to work today, Like I got it, ma

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Speaker 2: there what you gotta do? Welcome in day after Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 2: Obviously you probably feel like you're like your swine, right.

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Speaker 2: I mean we ate it like two o'clock yesterday. I'm

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Speaker 2: still full. I'm still full. But a good day for football.

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Speaker 2: Packers take down the Lions, Cowboys take down the Chiefs.

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Speaker 2: Bengals with Joe Burrow without and with Jamar Chase end

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Speaker 2: up taking down the Baltimore Ravens. So we'll get to

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Speaker 2: some football. Plus we've got unbelievable rivalry weekend in college

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Speaker 2: football and the Egg Bowls one people are paying attention

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Speaker 2: to because they want to know what Lane Kiffin's doing.

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Speaker 2: All that is going to be discussed over the next

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Speaker 2: three hours. One of my favorite parts of listening to

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Speaker 2: Colin and being Colin's friend for years is the when

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Speaker 2: call them was right, when call them was wrong? Right.

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Speaker 2: But I think there's a good portion of all of

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Speaker 2: us that need to go a my bad. Maybe this

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Speaker 2: is the classic. Cowboys aren't really good. They're just not

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Speaker 2: as bad as we thought they would be. But the

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Speaker 2: reality is the Cowboys took down the Chiefs, the Chiefs,

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Speaker 2: the team. And again I'll be the first one to

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Speaker 2: tell you I've always just operated under the until further notice,

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Speaker 2: Chiefs win the AFC West Chiefs get to the AFC

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Speaker 2: Championship Game because that's what they do with Pat Mahomes

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Speaker 2: at quarterback, and until prove it otherwise, I was gonna

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna die on that die on that hill. But

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Speaker 2: how can you not be impressed by the Dallas Cowboys.

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Speaker 2: I get it, I'm with you. I love when the

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Speaker 2: Packers took down the Cowboys a couple of years ago

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Speaker 2: in the playoffs, Dak throws all those picks in the

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Speaker 2: first half. I like you had just an enjoyable experience

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Speaker 2: watching the Cowboys fan meltdown on social media. But since

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Speaker 2: the bye week they beat the Raiders created the Raiders

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Speaker 2: aren't particularly good, but we didn't think the Cowboys were good.

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Speaker 2: And remember this is after getting destroyed by Denver and

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Speaker 2: getting beaten by the Arizona Cardinals at home. The season

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Speaker 2: could have gone the way of the Dodo. Right. They

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Speaker 2: had lost three out of four games, two of them

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Speaker 2: to non playoff teams in the Carolina Panthers in the

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Speaker 2: Arizona Arizona Cardinals. And what have they done over the

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Speaker 2: last five days. They beat the Eagles and they beat

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Speaker 2: the Chiefs. Granted both at home, but both thought to

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Speaker 2: be I mean, that's the last you know, Super Bowl

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Speaker 2: teams and teams that were thought to be playoff teams

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Speaker 2: this year. So at some point we go, hey, you know,

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Speaker 2: they're not perfect. They create a lot of noise just

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Speaker 2: to create noise. They do seem to put themselves in

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Speaker 2: the same conundrum on a yearly basis, where they wait

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Speaker 2: until the last second and then always overpay their guy.

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Speaker 2: But this year is different. Instead of overpaying Michael Parsons,

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Speaker 2: they traded him and they were committed to stopping the run.

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Speaker 2: And guess what, it kind of worked. Defense isn't great,

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Speaker 2: but it wasn't gonna be great with Michael Parsons, and

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Speaker 2: they handed the franchise to Dak Prescott. And by handed

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Speaker 2: to him, It's not just the contract extension they gave

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Speaker 2: going out and getting Pickens this year in a trade.

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Speaker 2: It's that they kept Brian Schottenheimer for the most part

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Speaker 2: because he's a good offensive coordinator. Dak Prescott likes him,

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Speaker 2: and they didn't want to have another language in Dak

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Speaker 2: Prescott's here when this one clearly works for him. And

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Speaker 2: what has Dak Prescott done three point fifty four two

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Speaker 2: last weekend, three twenty yesterday, one hundred and twelve yards

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Speaker 2: with CD Lamb last week it was Pickens that was

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Speaker 2: the main target. It doesn't matter. Dak Prescott has shown

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Speaker 2: himself to be a top ten at worst quarterback in

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Speaker 2: though it is offense first, the defense does stop the run.

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Speaker 2: They are better than we thought. The Cowboys. They're not great,

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Speaker 2: They're not gonna win the Super Bowl, but they're far

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Speaker 2: from the laughing stock that people want to portray the

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Speaker 2: most of us are right, it's weird. It's, for whatever reason,

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Speaker 2: a very polarizing team. You either are a Cowboys fan

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Speaker 2: if they're not a rival of your team. And I've

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Speaker 2: said this on my show, the Doug Gottlieb Show follows

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Speaker 2: this show it has for the last eight years on

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Speaker 2: Fox Sports Trading on the iHeartRadio app. I've said on

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Speaker 2: my show that yes, Jerry Jones does things just for effect.

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Speaker 2: Jerry Jones will say some weird stuff, but by and large,

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Speaker 2: whether it's Jerry or his son, if you ask football

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Speaker 2: people that I'll tell you Cowboys have good players. It

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Speaker 2: doesn't always work, and it hasn't gotten them Super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: But the Cowboys, if we're questioning Jerry as a GM

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Speaker 2: not going to be one hundred percent hit rate. It

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Speaker 2: isn't for anybody, Chiefs, Eagles, nobody hits one hundred percent

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Speaker 2: free agents or draft picks. But they're better more often

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Speaker 2: Here's Jerry talking about the two big wins of the

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Speaker 2: over a four day stretch.

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Speaker 3: I have them, really, I don't remember a better plub

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Speaker 3: I've got two games back to back here at home,

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Speaker 3: and these guys played inspired.

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Speaker 4: Kansas City had.

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Speaker 3: A nice crowd here, and so it was really important

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Speaker 3: to us to play the way we did because they

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Speaker 5: There for Kansas City.

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Speaker 4: So I just can't tell you the respect I.

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Speaker 2: Here's Brian Shott, number, the head coach of the cow Boys,

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Speaker 2: on his quarterback Dak Prescott's performance.

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Speaker 3: I thought he was incredible. I mean, you know, I

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Speaker 3: the second or third play the game is never how

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Speaker 3: you want to start. We were actually were hot, and

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Speaker 3: you know, he tried to beat it with the throw

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Speaker 3: and the corner did a nice job. He kind of

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Speaker 3: baited him into it. But I mean, that's that's who

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Speaker 3: we are as a football team. You know, we go

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Speaker 3: score a touchdown, and we never panicked. We're not going

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Speaker 3: to panic this team.

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Speaker 4: Why would we panic.

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Speaker 3: We've got all the confidence in the world and one another,

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Speaker 2: And and look, there is a discussion about the Chiefs

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Speaker 2: and the ten penalties, but outside of fourth down conversions,

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Speaker 2: where the Chiefs got three out of three, Cowboys more yards,

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Speaker 2: more first downs, fewer penalties, nine of sixteen on third down,

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Speaker 2: whereas the Chiefs were five of thirteen, and they had

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Speaker 2: the ball longer than the Chiefs, and the Chiefs didn't

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Speaker 2: turn it over and didn't win the game. Here's Dak

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Speaker 2: Prescott on his team.

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Speaker 6: Having to get these wins against two elite teams. I mean,

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Speaker 6: the two teams that played in the Super Bowl last year.

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Speaker 6: Last year is last year. But you're talking about two

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Speaker 6: beat them both in two great games. As you said

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Speaker 6: in four days and just showing the resiliency of this unit,

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Speaker 6: I don't know if there's been two more impressive wins,

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Speaker 6: We know we've got a big one coming again next week.

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Speaker 6: And all this really does for us is just give

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Speaker 6: us more confidence knowing that we can go play with whoever.

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Speaker 2: It's true, and they do have a big one. They

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Speaker 2: know that one's right around the corner here on a Thursday,

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Speaker 2: so you know, both teams have the same amount of

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Speaker 2: get Vikings at home, Chargers at home, they go to

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Speaker 2: the Commanders, to the Giants. I mean, even if they

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Speaker 2: of those last four games, and the window for the

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Speaker 2: Cowboys making the playoffs is very much open. To the

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Speaker 2: point of is this This is not me to saying

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Speaker 2: the Cowboys are the best team in the NFL. This

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Speaker 2: is not me saying Dak Prescott's the best quarterback in

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Speaker 2: the NFL, or Brian Schottenheimer's the best coach in the NFL,

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Speaker 2: or Jerry Jones the best GM in the NFL. But

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Speaker 2: when we started the season and they had the hold

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Speaker 2: training table, you had so many people saying, pay the

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Speaker 2: guy Cowboys are and it's easy. Cowboys are a clown organization.

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Speaker 2: They don't pay guys, and then ultimately they overpay and

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Speaker 2: they're still not commedy good. And then when they were

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Speaker 2: competitive with Philadelphia week one of the season, you can

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Speaker 2: where you think I was surprised by it. Then they

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Speaker 2: get blown out by the Bears. Third week of the season,

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Speaker 2: you're like, okay, they're addressing the mean. They tie the

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Speaker 2: Packers and that felt like a massive upset. They lose

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Speaker 2: to the Panthers, and now they're playing more like the

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Speaker 2: Cowboys you expected. They win the last three, they're very

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Speaker 2: much in the playoff hunt, and it's okay to go.

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Speaker 2: You know, they did a pretty good job considering they

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Speaker 2: don't have a great defense. They got to rework it

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Speaker 2: in the offseason. But now they have some draft picks,

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Speaker 2: and they locked up Dak long term. And if you

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Speaker 2: like me, were never really a Dak guy. I'm not

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Speaker 2: a Dak Denier like he stinks, but he has not

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Speaker 2: been good in the playoffs. He's been outstanding this year.

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Speaker 2: They've been way better than anybody thinks. And you can

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Speaker 2: make fun of Jerry Jones's comments and the weird way

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Speaker 2: in which sometimes he tells a story, but those are

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Speaker 2: pretty good football guys. DEVI got a pretty good job

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Speaker 2: of putting a more than decent product on the field,

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Speaker 2: and the Cowboys are way better than most anyone thought.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Jase two, Yeah, remember the Jerry Jones documentary that

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Speaker 4: came out. I forget the name of it, but it was.

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Speaker 4: It was a really good watch. It was the Jerry

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Speaker 4: Jones version of the Cowboys story in the nineties, yep.

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Speaker 4: And the big takeaway from that for me was that

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Speaker 4: the biggest point of contention between him and Jimmy Johnson

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Speaker 4: over the years, and I don't even think they've settled

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Speaker 4: it to today, was who made the deal for Marshall Walker?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, who gets credit?

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Speaker 4: Who gets credit? And they've they've they literally didn't talk,

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Speaker 4: and they had all these issues I had thought when

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Speaker 4: he traded Micah at the beginning of the year that

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Speaker 4: he was kind of feeling his oats from that documentary.

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Speaker 4: He watched it and he's like, I'm gonna make a deal.

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Speaker 4: This is all me. I signed off on this, and

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Speaker 4: this is going to be one of my signature moments

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Speaker 5: on the field, like he's like someone's in this year

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Speaker 5: saying you got to make a decision, hurry up and

432
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Speaker 5: make a decision. And because of that, I think he's

433
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Speaker 5: throwing the ball, you know, early, and it's throwing off

434
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Speaker 5: his accuracy.

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Speaker 2: I guess my question is, you know, Greg Roman, they

436
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,160
Speaker 2: thought they had hit a ceiling with Greg Roman's offense,

437
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,960
Speaker 2: and my thought was, like, you want MVP with that offense.

438
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Speaker 2: I don't. I don't think that's what it was. But

439
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Speaker 2: you know, you're bringing Monk in and it's a passing

440
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Speaker 2: based offense. He still runs, but it's more. Hey, now

441
00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:57,959
Speaker 2: he's been the league. Now he's a better Now he's

442
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,320
Speaker 2: a better passer, not just a thrower. And again, and

443
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Speaker 2: their defense isn't you know when they were failing in

444
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Speaker 2: the playoffs previously, the defense was awesome and the offense,

445
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,879
Speaker 2: you know, was allowed to just run the football and

446
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 2: to be conservative occasionally take a shot. Is it too

447
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:16,639
Speaker 2: much for him to carry the team as a passer.

448
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Speaker 5: It feels like it right now, right. I mean, Mike

449
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,440
Speaker 5: McDonald obtis is a great defensive corarter, has done a

450
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,359
Speaker 5: great job as the head coach down Seattle and getting

451
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Speaker 5: them in position of the postseason, and they missed that

452
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Speaker 5: he was you know, he's brilliantly smart. And so they

453
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Speaker 5: missed that defensive side of the ball where maybe the

454
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Speaker 5: town's not to the level and seeing the Ravens before,

455
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Speaker 5: but they were technically on top of everything offensively. The

456
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Speaker 5: frustrating thing for me when I watched the Ravens, and

457
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Speaker 5: I'm sure Ravens stans too, they could have run the

458
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Speaker 5: ball last night like they were running the ball perfectly fine.

459
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Speaker 5: They just couldn't stick with it. But you know, if

460
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Speaker 5: they could just find a way to get back to

461
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Speaker 5: Derrick Henry and giving him the ball twenty plus times

462
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Speaker 5: a game. I think that even if they fall behind

463
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Speaker 5: ten or twelve or thirteen points, I think you still

464
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Speaker 5: want to focus on Derrick Henry getting the ball because that,

465
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Speaker 5: to me is your ticket to finding a way to

466
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Speaker 5: still win the North, which again is wide open, and

467
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Speaker 5: even the Bengals, as hard as it's been to imagine

468
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,360
Speaker 5: and so late, you're only a few games out now,

469
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Speaker 5: you know, and I know we don't have a lot

470
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Speaker 5: of games left, but you know, it might be nine

471
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Speaker 5: and eight or eight and nine could win that division,

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Speaker 5: which before the season started, Doug, I would have never

473
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Speaker 5: dreamt that with those three teams Pittsburgh obviously, Baltimore and Cincinnati,

474
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Speaker 5: I would have never dreamt it would have been that

475
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Speaker 5: kind of an outcome before the season's ended up right.

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Speaker 2: Now, I'm obviously as a coach, I'm even a football fan.

477
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Speaker 2: You love what Joe Burrows said, And here's here's kind

478
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Speaker 2: of my takeaway. Mark, just stick with me, let me

479
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Speaker 2: kind of explain it. Were so critical of athletes when

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Speaker 2: it's load management or when they shut it down, you know,

481
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Speaker 2: late in the college football season, late in the NFL season,

482
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Speaker 2: and yet our generation, you and I were kind of

483
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Speaker 2: the ones that came up with this idea of load

484
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Speaker 2: management or protecting the asset that is the player in college,

485
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Speaker 2: in the pros or whatever. So if anything, we got

486
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Speaker 2: to be self critical and understand that, you know, gen

487
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,159
Speaker 2: X is being critical of gen Z for an idea,

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Speaker 2: for an idea and a plan that is really a

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Speaker 2: gen X planing. That being said, what does it say.

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Speaker 2: What does Joe Burrow playing despite the very very slight

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Speaker 2: chance of making the playoffs say about Burrow and how

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Speaker 2: we view him?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, if you I'm sure as we watched

494
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Speaker 5: the game last night, we saw the injury history of

495
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Speaker 5: Joe Burrow and it's it's something that I've talked about

496
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Speaker 5: multiple times over the years that that's just a sad

497
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Speaker 5: fact of his career, whether it was in college or

498
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Speaker 5: now in the NFL, that he gets banged up a lot.

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Speaker 5: And I think for Joe, he wants to prove that

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Speaker 5: he can be out there with the guys and he

501
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Speaker 5: understands every year can be magical and special and you

502
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Speaker 5: just don't know how it's longer you get to play

503
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 5: this game, it can be taken away from you in

504
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Speaker 5: a blink. And so I love that that he decided

505
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Speaker 5: that he wanted to be out there. And I think

506
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Speaker 5: it also because the Bangs were mathematically still alive that

507
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Speaker 5: you put him back out there and say, hey, look

508
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Speaker 5: let's let's see what we can do and see what

509
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Speaker 5: we're kind of spark we can give the team. And

510
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,919
Speaker 5: even though we started a little slow, he's certainly you know,

511
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 5: sped up and really kind of you know, looks like

512
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Speaker 5: the Joe Burrow that you know, could have been the

513
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Speaker 5: team that you know. When's the division and we'll see.

514
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Speaker 5: I mean again, we've got only a few We got

515
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Speaker 5: enough games left where you could say, yeah, it would

516
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Speaker 5: be bizarre, but you know, they play each other, They've

517
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 5: got to play out the opponents. You know, nothing's only

518
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Speaker 5: a part for any team right now in the North.

519
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Speaker 5: It's a stretch. But it was fun to watch him

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Speaker 5: be out there and show that, you know, as a leader,

521
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Speaker 5: he's going to if he can be there, he'll be there.

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Speaker 2: Okay, help me out, I need the absolute neutral former

523
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Speaker 2: general manager, former player personnel guy, your opinion on Shudor Sanders.

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Speaker 2: How did he play in his first week as a starter.

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Speaker 5: Uh. You know, you know you got to give him

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Speaker 5: credit for at least you know, I know, you make

527
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Speaker 5: the half back pass and you know you got to

528
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Speaker 5: let the running back. You know, Scamper's in for a

529
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,679
Speaker 5: long touchdown and so he gets sustats to that, but

530
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Speaker 5: he still has to get the balls he hand to

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Speaker 5: put in the right spot. You know, he made the

532
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,400
Speaker 5: one throw it down the field, but overall, I still felt

533
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Speaker 5: like the game was uber fast for him. I don't

534
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Speaker 5: feel like it's and I would have him the start

535
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Speaker 5: of this week. I would EITHEREM get three or four

536
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Speaker 5: starts unless he failed desperately or terribly, I should say,

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Speaker 5: you know, I would go ahead and get a sense

538
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Speaker 5: because really where the Browns sit as an organization is

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Speaker 5: who's the number two? It's bly going to be the

540
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Speaker 5: number two? Is should Door good enough to be a

541
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Speaker 5: number two? Let's figure that out, because there's really no

542
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Speaker 5: number one on this roster. I don't think it's either

543
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Speaker 5: one of these guys based off of what I've seen

544
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Speaker 5: from both of them this year. But I would like

545
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Speaker 5: to see more should Door. But I don't think it's

546
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Speaker 5: going to get better. Honestly, Doug, I just I'm not

547
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 5: a hater on Shadu or anything like that. I just

548
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 5: feel like the processing's too fast for him, and he

549
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 5: doesn't process it fast enough. And like what he was

550
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 5: able to do in Colorado where the system was really quick,

551
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 5: we can get the ball out. Now things are everything's

552
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 5: moving so much faster. I think it's hard for him.

553
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Speaker 2: Is that something that improves with experience?

554
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 5: Usually it can, and because the games of quote unquote

555
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,439
Speaker 5: slows down for young players, but to me, the style

556
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 5: of play, this is why should do her dropped? Because

557
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 5: a lot of people worried about the system he played

558
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 5: in Colorado that was so quarterback friendly for him specifically

559
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 5: that can that translate over So a lot of people

560
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 5: are like, I don't know what you know, I thought

561
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 5: he was a first round pick. Well, a lot of

562
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 5: scouts went in there, though, you know, I don't know

563
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 5: about this office is what we're going to run the NFL,

564
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Speaker 5: And so therefore, do I feel like he's got the

565
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 5: same tools I can get him to where he needs

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Speaker 5: to go to the next level, and a lot of

567
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Speaker 5: clips that I don't think so, you know, and obviously

568
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 5: the other things around you to her, he's tried to

569
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Speaker 5: handle those the best he can. But I think when

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Speaker 5: you watch it, yes, you're supposed to get more time,

571
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 5: but to me, I still think you're going to see

572
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Speaker 5: a lot of interceptions over the next couple of weeks.

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Speaker 2: Okay, same question with JJ McCarthy.

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Speaker 5: I think it's fair, and I think the same thing

575
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 5: is very frustrating for JJ. Also is that you feel

576
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Speaker 5: like he should be able to do it and be

577
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Speaker 5: more of a consistent player, you know, one through four quarters,

578
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Speaker 5: and not be spurty. And I think that the same

579
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Speaker 5: thing though, is no matter what I played JJ the

580
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 5: rest of the year, as long as he can be

581
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 5: on the football field to find out exactly what I have.

582
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Speaker 5: But I got to understand that as an organization, I

583
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 5: don't have to be married to him. As much as

584
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Speaker 5: that sounds crazy, he's only two years in and this

585
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 5: is really only his first year. You know. The one

586
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 5: mistake you can do is say, well, we'll just give

587
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Speaker 5: him one more year and so we can get just

588
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 5: figured out. If the Vikings are in a position where

589
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 5: they could draft another quarterback and say, hey, look we're

590
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 5: to make a competition, but we've got to find that guy.

591
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Speaker 5: That's what you have to do because In the end,

592
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 5: we all know that that's really what matters the most

593
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 5: is who's pulling the trigger on your football team in

594
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Speaker 5: that position. If that need, you have to go back

595
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 5: to the well again, go back to the well. Look

596
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,719
Speaker 5: at Chris Ballard. He's done it basically every year as

597
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 5: a coach GM. He's had a different starter out there,

598
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 5: and now he may have found the right one at

599
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 5: Daniel Jones for a while.

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Speaker 2: Mark, you're the best man. I love your analysis obviously,

601
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Speaker 2: I respect all the experience you have and I hope

602
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Speaker 2: you had a great Thanksgiving with the family enjoyed this weekend.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk to you next week on my show. In

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Speaker 2: the meantime, thanks so much for being a guest and.

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Speaker 5: The hurt thanks for having me on. Dog Happy Thanksgiving Brothers.

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Speaker 2: You too, Mark Amen joins us on the Doug Gottlieb

607
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Speaker 2: on cee me on the Herd Doug Gottifilion for Colin. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: let's get to Jason Stewart with the news.

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Speaker 7: No, no, no, this is the Herd Line news.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Doug. By the way, hold on real quick. By

611
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Speaker 2: the way, Merry Christmas to you, Jason, and I say

612
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Speaker 2: Merry Christmas because I do feel like holidays are like

613
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 2: the price is right, where once you go over, you

614
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 2: can't go back right again. Is it okay? It's okay

615
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 2: to wish to be a happy Thanksgiving, but generally nobody

616
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Speaker 2: wishes mery Christmas on the twenty sixth, nobody wishes happy

617
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 2: Halloween on November second or third, and nobody wishes happy

618
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving today, right, even though it is Thanksgiving weekend. So

619
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Speaker 2: I'm okay with it, But generally I want to be

620
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Speaker 2: the first to tell you Mary Christmas.

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Speaker 4: Jason, Well, that's nice of you, thank you. I think

622
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Speaker 4: it's a little too early, though, so I can't fully

623
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Speaker 4: accept that. I think happy Holidays is a safe route.

624
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Speaker 4: And by the way, after New Year, you've got fourteen

625
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 4: days to wish people happy to hear fourteen days after

626
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 4: the new year. Those are my rules.

627
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 2: How long are you allowed that classic very cheesy dad joke.

628
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 2: I just got used to writing twenty twenty five on

629
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Speaker 2: my checks in the new year? Is that allowed?

630
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 4: Yeah? I mean, if people still write personal checks anymore,

631
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 4: I think that you could probably still do it, and

632
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 4: you could allow your boomer grandfather to do it.

633
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, all right, well sorry, go ahead, egg ball.

634
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 4: No it's right in the middle of this egg ball

635
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 4: is on right now, Doug, and they're trading Haymakers Old

636
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 4: Miss against Mississippi State at Mississippi State fourteen to seven

637
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 4: as we speak. But there are bigger, bigger things involved

638
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 4: in this. So there's a press conference tomorrow to discuss

639
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 4: Lane Kiffin's future. I need to know your confidence level

640
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 4: right now and whether or not he stays at Old Miss.

641
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 4: And as a second question, if he does leave and

642
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 4: he doesn't coach the play off games, should the committee

643
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 4: factor that into their seating.

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00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 2: Uh No, I don't think they should factor it in.

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Speaker 2: If he does leave, I don't because he's gonna coach

646
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Speaker 2: the He's going to coach the bull Kame, He's gonna

647
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 2: he's gonna coach the playoff to win it.

648
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

649
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 2: Again, I I think I think by not saying I'm staying,

650
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Speaker 2: although he has said I'm staying previously when it was

651
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 2: just a Florida job open, I still think he's staying.

652
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 2: But if he does leave. If he does leave, I

653
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 2: don't think he can be factored in because you can

654
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 2: factor it in if the coach isn't going to coach.

655
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 2: You can factor it in if the player isn't gonna

656
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 2: play like Florida State a couple years ago. I had

657
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 2: no problem with them getting left out of the College

658
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 2: twelve playoff. They weren't the same team after losing the quarterback.

659
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 2: You won't be the same team if Flank Giffon's not

660
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 2: your coach. But he will be the coach, and there's

661
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 2: no reason to think that he can't be engaged in

662
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Speaker 2: trying to win and then probably trying to take all

663
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Speaker 2: of his underclassmen with him to LSU if he if

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Speaker 2: be'st chabb he takes.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So you're introducing an angle here that I haven't heard.

666
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Speaker 4: I was under the impression that if he decides to leave,

667
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Speaker 4: he's not coaching the team, that he's going to go

668
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Speaker 4: to the next school.

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Speaker 2: So he's not coaching the team, then absolutely outhold against him.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, So there you go. As another big game tomorrow,

671
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Speaker 4: Rivalry Weekend is Vanderbilt playing Tennessee fourteenth r Vanderbilt nineteenth

672
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Speaker 4: ranked Tennessee. ESPN is reporting Doug that Vanderbilt has agreed

673
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Speaker 4: to a new contract with head coach Clark Lee. It

674
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 4: is a reported new six year deal to keep the

675
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Speaker 4: Commodore's coach. I'm guessing you're for this decision. You're a

676
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 4: head coach. You like when head coaches get compensated and

677
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 4: rewarded for good work.

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Speaker 2: I'm guessing, well, I mean, he's got great work, not

679
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 2: good work, right, I mean, when do we think Vanderbilt

680
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 2: was like a legit contender in the SEC? Now part

681
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 2: of it is Vanderbilt private school has all that money

682
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 2: and now they've decided to spend it. They spend the facilities,

683
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 2: they spent it obviously on their team. Diego Pavia, you know,

684
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 2: has really changed the landscape of all college sports with

685
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 2: his lawsuit, which won. But yeah, I mean I think

686
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 2: it's huge for Vanderbilt to be able to hold onto

687
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Speaker 2: their guy, for Clark Lee not to be able to

688
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 2: go go to what people consider it like a real

689
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 2: SEC school. Vanderbilt has become a real SEC school and

690
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 2: now they have the draw of Nashville, right Like, they're

691
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Speaker 2: the one SEC team outside of I guess Texas. You know,

692
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 2: that's in a major city that people want to live

693
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Speaker 2: in and want to work it. You know, Athens is

694
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Speaker 2: like an hour from Georgia, so it's close and it's

695
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 2: but it's still a college town, like they're unique and

696
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 2: they're able to draw to that. Yeah, I do like it.

697
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,399
Speaker 2: I don't like this. I love it. Vanderbilt being able

698
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 2: to retain their head coach and put all their financial

699
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 2: resources into football and being rewarded in successful for it.

700
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Speaker 2: That's a great story.

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Speaker 5: Oh I agree. I agree.

702
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:13,399
Speaker 4: Okay, So finally, and this opens a whole. We could

703
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Speaker 4: do an entire show or a podcast.

704
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 2: Can I can? I want one thing just again. I

705
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 2: was the guy just and Vanderbilt fans will tell you,

706
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 2: I was the guy that would say Vanderbilt is in

707
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 2: but not of the SEC back in the day, right,

708
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 2: because they were the school that cared about academics and

709
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 2: not as many hot women, right, And they were the

710
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 2: private not the public. And they you know, they they

711
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 2: they were good more at the Olympic sports than the

712
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 2: traditional sports and basketball and football they didn't even have it.

713
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 2: I don't even think they have an athletic director. They had.

714
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 2: They took off the name of athletic director a couple

715
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 2: of years ago, maybe ten years ago at Vanderbilt. So

716
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 2: this is Vanderbilt saying, hey, we're we're we're big boy

717
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 2: into sports now.

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Speaker 4: I had no idea that women at Vanderbilt were less attractive.

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Speaker 4: I don't think we should have that conversation in twenty

720
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Speaker 4: twenty five, but I'm guessing that there's a phrase that.

721
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Speaker 2: Was like it, that was like a twenty fourteen discussion made.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm guessing there's a phrase that she's

723
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Speaker 4: Vandy hot.

724
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, Vanny Hotandy ten? Is a is what a way? Four? No?

725
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Speaker 5: Is that no?

726
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 2: At Tusca Loosa six? Oh man?

727
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,399
Speaker 4: So, uh, I don't know if you missed this one,

728
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,439
Speaker 4: but uh, Joe Burrow led his team to win last

729
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 4: night and then in this Melissa Stark thing afterwards where

730
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 4: they feed everyone turkey. I think it looks ridiculous, and

731
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 4: it was ridiculous. Joe Burrow steered clear of it and

732
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 4: was asked about it after the after the game.

733
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Speaker 2: I didn't touch it.

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Speaker 5: I didn't touch it. I didn't I don't know who

735
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Speaker 5: made it.

736
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Speaker 7: I don't know where they made it.

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Speaker 2: I'm good.

738
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 7: I had a little pepper that I was good.

739
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 5: I was good with the pepper.

740
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 4: What do you think about eating food that you don't

741
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 4: know where it was made or by whom?

742
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 2: I mean, don't we do that every day? It's a

743
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 2: good point I'm seriously right, Like you go to Chipotle,

744
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 2: you don't know who's who's back there making Chipotle. I

745
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 2: got a better feeling that Chipotle is is made. I

746
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,720
Speaker 2: got more confidence in whoever makes the NFL network's dinner

747
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 2: than I do who's making my And I'll throw Qdoba

748
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 2: in there, so we're not just separating Chipotle and Kudoba,

749
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 2: same place, different name, right, Yeah, I I he's probably more.

750
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 2: I don't know who's touched it. He might be a

751
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 2: germ guy, and that I do get right. It's like

752
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 2: after a game, it's put on the field. I know

753
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 2: touches it, but I'm going to guess that was probably

754
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 2: made by a pretty good catering surface. Whereas you know,

755
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 2: you get a little fast casual on the way home,

756
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 2: you have no idea who's back there in the kitchen

757
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 2: and what their intentions are.

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Speaker 7: Well, that's the news, and thanks for stumping by the

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Speaker 2: Doug Gottibin for Colin. This is the Herd Fox Sports

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Speaker 2: Radio on the iHeartRadio app. Welcome in. Mmmmmmmmmm doo doo

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Speaker 2: doo doo doo doo. So the Packers beat the Lions

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Speaker 2: and it you know, what's a weird year for last year?

774
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 2: It's like the opposite last year. Last year the Packers

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00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,720
Speaker 2: were really good in division. Let me see, were Putriot Division.

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Speaker 2: The only division win was uh uh on the the

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Speaker 2: the Doinker right in uh in Chicago. That was the

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Speaker 2: only win they had in the vision. Now they're three

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Speaker 2: to oher in the division and you know, struggling at

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Speaker 2: times outside vision. Here's Matt laflora Packer's head coach, summon

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Speaker 2: up to win.

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Speaker 9: Now, that was a great football game. I mean to

783
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 9: come in here against a really quality opponent. I mean

784
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Speaker 9: they got great players, great coaches. I've got so much

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Speaker 9: respect for what they've been able to accomplish the last

786
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Speaker 9: few years. And it's all you know, it's going to

787
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 9: be a battle every time you come in here. But

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Speaker 9: I was really proud of our players. This was a

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00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 9: playoff type atmosphere and to be able to come in

790
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 9: and went on the road is big for us. Either

791
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 9: getting better, you're getting worse, or never staying the same.

792
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 9: So I'm proud of our guys. But we got to

793
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Speaker 9: keep building on this, and we can't think that we've

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00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 9: arrived by any stretch, because as soon as you do that,

795
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 9: you get beat. So we got to keep just keep

796
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,399
Speaker 9: fighting and clawing and trying to get a little bit better.

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00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, listen and to people who are critical

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00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 2: of how much they ran the ball against the Eagles.

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00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously, you know, Jordan Love kind of scrambling

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Speaker 2: five times. When you take that out and you know

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00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 2: there's still twenty five, you know, twenty five Harry's, if

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Speaker 2: you will, more twenty two in terms of traditional you know,

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Speaker 2: and thirty attempts. But it's pretty obvious that since the

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00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 2: Eagles game, he's gotten more aggressive. It's got more aggressive.

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00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 2: I mean, he's almost taken on kind of the the

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00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 2: Dan Campbell mentality a little bit in terms of going

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Speaker 2: forward on fourth down. Here's Jordan Love on those fourth

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Speaker 2: down conversions.

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Speaker 10: If you able to go out there on fourth down

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Speaker 10: to execute and make some big time plays, it is

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Speaker 10: really the difference in that game right there. So you know,

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Speaker 10: that's what it comes down to, is just going out

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Speaker 10: there executing and those got to have it plays and

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Speaker 10: we may play tonight, everybody.

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Speaker 2: It's fascinating, right they have two against the Bears, with

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Speaker 2: the Broncos on the road in between. All within the

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Speaker 2: next three weeks. The Bears, who are you know, ahead

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Speaker 2: of them in the standings, you know, still have they

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Speaker 2: have the Eagles on the road and the Packers on

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Speaker 2: the road in back to back weeks. You know, And

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Speaker 2: this is a Bears team that, though anybody would tell

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Speaker 2: you they're vastly improved, right, think about this. The Bears

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00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 2: have beaten the Cowboys at home. Granted, Cowboys trending towards

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Speaker 2: a playoff team, Raiders, Commanders on the road, Saints at home,

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Speaker 2: Bengals at home, Bengals on the road, Giants at home,

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Speaker 2: Vikings on the road, Steelers at home, if you're an

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Speaker 2: honest person, you go. You know, the Bears haven't beaten

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Speaker 2: a team outside of the Steelers that as of now

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Speaker 2: is an absolute playoff team, only two wins over teams

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Speaker 2: with the above five hundred record, that being the Cowboys

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Speaker 2: and the Steelers. So we'll find out a lot more

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Speaker 2: about the Bears as the Packers are trending in the

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00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 2: right way, and they're trending the right way as their

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00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 2: coach has gotten way more aggressive with his play calling

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Speaker 2: since the Eagles game. Every guy hits that moment you

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Speaker 2: feel it less drive, less fire. I don't accept that.

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