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Speaker 1: You're listening to Software Radio, Special Operations, Military Nails on

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Speaker 2: Welcome to another episode of soft Rep Radio. I am

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Speaker 2: your host, Rad and I am super excited today to

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Speaker 2: introduce my next guest. But first I have to kind

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Speaker 2: then also we have a book club, right, We're really

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Speaker 2: So I want you to go check it out. We're

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Speaker 2: going to try to get our next guest and his

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Speaker 2: book in our book club so that you can get

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Speaker 2: it through the book club. And my next guest without

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Speaker 2: further ado, is Kevin Wilson, the author of Solely Squad.

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Speaker 2: Welcome Kevin to the show.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Rat, I appreciate it, Yes, thank you for

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Speaker 3: your opportunity here.

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Speaker 2: Oh, totally. We're excited to have you. Now, I know

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Speaker 2: this is not your first time, you know, playing around

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Speaker 2: Soft rep getting on the website. There's some articles probably

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Speaker 2: from back in the you know, twenty twenty twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: one area, where you were talking about Soli Squad, and

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Speaker 2: I want to kind of touch base on Soli Squad.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's kind of a book about someone who

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Speaker 2: I think calls you know, the just goes to the

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Speaker 2: the right thing to do with Artie who we're going

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Speaker 2: to touch base on. And then you know, it's all

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Speaker 2: happening around you know, Pearl Harbor and you know the

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Speaker 2: o Wahu, the attacks on Pearl Harbor from the Japanese.

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Speaker 2: You know, World War two is kicking off, and there

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Speaker 2: was a lot of lives lost, a lot of young

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Speaker 2: if you don't mind, all right, And that is in

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Speaker 2: respect of the lives lost during World War Two on

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Speaker 2: really both sides of the Aisle. Okay, there were so

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Speaker 2: many people who took up arms on both sides of

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Speaker 2: what they thought was justin right. You know, someone living

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Speaker 2: I don't know the difference of patriotism there, because they're

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Speaker 2: and evil lurks even harder, sometimes looking like good. And

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Speaker 2: so here we are talking about your book Solely Squad,

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Speaker 2: which focus is really on, you know, the call to

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Speaker 2: man Arty through his journey. Correct, correct, yes, he already was.

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Speaker 3: It's funny, Brad, when when it came time to write.

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Speaker 3: And I'm not a writer, I'm not an author, you

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Speaker 2: a civilian life. So these youngsters should read your book.

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Speaker 2: to lie about it, like already did. In World War Two.

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Speaker 2: We all saw a movie. I can't remember what it

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it starts out it takes place in the Sicilian campaign,

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Speaker 2: like a mount piece out Okay, everybody, and uh, a

428
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:00,640
Speaker 2: little as you know, the airplanes are.

429
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:04,639
Speaker 3: In the sky, yeah, exactly, and uh, and.

430
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 2: They're launching down Reid, I believe. Like when they came

431
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 2: in early yeah, yeah, early morning, early early, everybody was

432
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:13,640
Speaker 2: like kind of off.

433
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:17,640
Speaker 3: Maybe six am, six am Hawaiian time, so probably noon

434
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 3: around here. And yeah, so no, it's uh, you know,

435
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,640
Speaker 3: so that's kind of where the father, you know in

436
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,160
Speaker 3: the story. You know, he's a World War One veteran,

437
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 3: and I don't want to say too much obviously, but

438
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,680
Speaker 3: he has he has some you know, he's he's affected

439
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 3: by it. And my uncle, my grandfather, who came over

440
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,199
Speaker 3: you know, on the boat, so to speak, from Italy.

441
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 3: He ended up having to serve in World War One,

442
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:51,639
Speaker 3: you know, so he so he and he died of

443
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:55,679
Speaker 3: a heart attack in nineteen thirty five when when Sally

444
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 3: was seventeen. Yeah, he died in the house. That kind

445
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 3: of that's one of the reasons that drove him into

446
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 3: the military, you know, into the army to make some

447
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 3: money so he could also he could also send money home,

448
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 3: you know, which he did. You know, for three years

449
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 3: he would send money home deal to the family because

450
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 3: his mother and he had four other you know, four

451
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 3: other siblings that were younger, but the father, you know,

452
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:26,160
Speaker 3: there's some definitely some learning that already received while not

453
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 3: being in the same house with his father, but being

454
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:30,639
Speaker 3: the three thousand miles away.

455
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and and at that time, so he got in

456
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 2: at fifteen, right, this is what we're talking about. So

457
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 2: he does get in at fifteen fifteen. Let's think my

458
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 2: son's fifteen right now, and he's really good at minecraft.

459
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 2: So somebody needs a mayor of a city, he could

460
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 2: probably pull that off just fine. I'm thinking what would

461
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 2: he be enlisting as you know, what I'm saying, like,

462
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,360
Speaker 2: is he is he ready to do such things? And

463
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 2: and then there's a lot of that talk right now

464
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 2: going on where you know, are the kids still doing

465
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:08,399
Speaker 2: pe in school and trying to you know, almost stay

466
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 2: you know fit, you know, some of the boy scouts,

467
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 2: you know, it kind of like dissipates away and falls

468
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 2: into the cracks, and there's still some little pockets of

469
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 2: boy Scouts being happening, but not like it was, you know,

470
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,919
Speaker 2: not like it was you know, uh, and you know

471
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 2: some of those folks are still trying to keep that going,

472
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 2: so that there's that kind of you know, how to

473
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:31,879
Speaker 2: start a fire, how to set up a tent, how

474
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 2: to just cure food, how to clean drink water, fix yourself,

475
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 2: you know, simple things, survival in the in the woods,

476
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, already wasn't soft, no, But you know, he.

477
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 3: Loved baseball, you know, and that was kind of the

478
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,719
Speaker 3: one of the connections he made with a friend of

479
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 3: his called Coney. Everybody seemed to have a nickname, you know,

480
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 3: so I made nicknames, you know, for all of them.

481
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,400
Speaker 3: And baseball was his was his first, his first love.

482
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 3: But you know, he wasn't. He wasn't, you know, like

483
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 3: most of us. You know, thank oh, we're going to

484
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,159
Speaker 3: make it to the major leagues or whether it's in

485
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 3: baseball or whatever, sport or acting or music. And the

486
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 3: reality sets in when you get a certain age, bro,

487
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 3: others are better than ye or you're yeah, you're just

488
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 3: I think you need to find something else.

489
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 2: I still think I can go pro in something. So

490
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 2: if it's baseball, that would be my first love. And

491
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 2: I think that's why I liked Arty so much, now

492
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,360
Speaker 2: that you say that, you know, because I love baseball.

493
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,199
Speaker 2: First base is my position, and uh, you know, for

494
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 2: sixteen years I played thinking I'm college pro. All this

495
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:46,439
Speaker 2: stuff that all by my own choice, though I know

496
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 2: the steps that I could have kept going, and I

497
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 2: took other steps, and that was my own fault.

498
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 3: Yep. Geez, yeah, me too, not necessarily to make pro

499
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 3: but college or something. Sure, definitely, you know didn't didn't.

500
00:27:59,280 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 2: You know.

501
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 3: It's kind of like, you know, when you got to

502
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 3: get dust yourself up, get back up again. You know,

503
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 3: you get cut, you're not used to being cut. Well,

504
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 3: put your big boy pants on, get back out there,

505
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 3: work harder, you know, make them regret. But you know,

506
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 3: you don't. You don't think about that, you know, when

507
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 3: you're that age and that's where already you know, it's

508
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 3: kind of like some some some of the mistakes I made,

509
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 3: he's you know, he doesn't make those mistakes.

510
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 2: Because because I made him up, you know.

511
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 3: And but uh, but no, and then uh, there is

512
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 3: you know, there is a girl in the story about

513
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 3: the same age, Angelina, and uh, she's a postulant. I

514
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 3: didn't want to do a nurse because it seems like

515
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 3: there's a lot of you know, the soldier and the

516
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 3: nurse that kind of stories. So she's postulant. I'm sorry,

517
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 3: it's I I call in the book and it's it's

518
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 3: probably the easiest way. It's a nun in training. Yeah,

519
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 3: you're kinda I mean, I'm sorry, my religious my religious

520
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 3: training and from Catechism and stuff. But but it's the

521
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 3: easiest way to describe it. It's someone who's interested and

522
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 3: possibly uh, you know, the religious life. And you start

523
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 3: you're young, and you start as a as apostles to see,

524
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 3: you know, to see if it's for you, until you,

525
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 3: you know, commit further. So she's at an orphanage which

526
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 3: is part of a church in one of the towns,

527
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 3: and and that's how they meet and and he ends

528
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 3: up you know, in some manner, and through the combat,

529
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 3: through the fighting to find his way back every now

530
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 3: and then because she's you know, she also supports a

531
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 3: mobile hospice kind of like a mash units kind of thing,

532
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 3: because she's she's a postulant, you know, so they do

533
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 3: whatever they do, not a nurse, but they can, you know.

534
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 2: Everything, help prep get it all squared away, help be

535
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 2: right there the right hand for somebody. They could stitch

536
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 2: you exactly, she could.

537
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 3: And it's kind of a little bantering. You know, there's

538
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 3: i mean, there's no sex, there's nothing, you know in

539
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 3: the story it's just innocence and uh, and I'll leave

540
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 3: it at that because again I want to tell too much,

541
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 3: but but it's it's just, you know, it's just again

542
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 3: a shy kid, she's shy, and kind of their interactions

543
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 3: in a in a place of that's falling apart all around.

544
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 2: There is no more innocence, right exactly right? Right? War right?

545
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 2: Like what that changes somebody? Like I've seen it in

546
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 2: friends and you know, friends have gone and come home

547
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 2: after a year and a half and they're just hey, like,

548
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 2: you're moving so fast in your head still, aren't you.

549
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 2: That's why we're still sitting here playing the same video

550
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 2: game that you just left us a year and a

551
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 2: half ago. But you've moved so fast, bro. You know,

552
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 2: I'm thinking of a certain friend and he just sat

553
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 2: there and he was just kind of it's like we

554
00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 2: stalled him in life. We were slow and ship with

555
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 2: us was slow. He had moved and he had gone

556
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 2: into the military. They had groomed him into this you know,

557
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 2: military person, and he went and did his job and

558
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 2: he came back and he's like, I've moved so fast.

559
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 2: You know, you guys are still like molasses.

560
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it well, It's like when I when I

561
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 3: talked to you know, the gentlemen who were you know,

562
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 3: had served with my uncle. One of them was a lieutenant. Well,

563
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 3: let me let me jump back just to one.

564
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 2: One.

565
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 3: Uh, it was nineteen ninety eight. No one ever talked

566
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 3: about anything rad I mean, so this was fifty five

567
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 3: years after he passed away, was killed in action. There

568
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 3: was a reunion fifty fifth anniversary at the BFW in Granville,

569
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 3: New York. And that was in October. So a month later,

570
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 3: at Thanksgiving, my aunt, who never I'd mentioned his name,

571
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 3: she started crying all of a sudden, said, well, we

572
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 3: started talking out of the blue about her brother. And

573
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 3: she said, I think so and so was with him

574
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 3: when he died. And I said, so and so is

575
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 3: that I think I know his son. So fast forward,

576
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 3: I contacted his son. I go, it's kind of going

577
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 3: to be kind of weird. I think your father was

578
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 3: with my uncle when he was killed. And so he

579
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 3: talks to his father, brings him. We go to a

580
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 3: restaurant and as well as restaurants for lunch, they have

581
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 3: like fifty five items in the menu. He can't figure

582
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 3: out the menu. You know, he's probably in his eighties,

583
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 3: early eighties. I had my little questions written down. He

584
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 3: looks me in the eye, goes, I'm sure you want

585
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 3: to know how he died, you know, right to the chase,

586
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 3: and how how my uncle was killed is in the story.

587
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 3: He doesn't die in the story. I told my aunt

588
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 3: he'll never die again, you know, when I was writing it.

589
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 3: But he went right back to that period of time,

590
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 3: and then he was described what was going on, and

591
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 3: then he went back and they ended up. You know,

592
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 3: they they would bury anybody who was who was killed.

593
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 3: They would marry you in a shallow grave and move on.

594
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 3: And so that was say July twenty first, nineteen forty three.

595
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:24,239
Speaker 3: His remains didn't come back to nineteen forty eight. So,

596
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 3: you know, five years later when you think of all

597
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 3: because again you're in a shallow grave somewhere in Sicily

598
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 3: or you know, and you think of how many. And

599
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 3: so I talked to this lieutenant who was the lieutenant

600
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 3: for the squad like for my uncle was in and

601
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 3: he said, uh.

602
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 2: And he was.

603
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 3: I could feel him like getting a you know, a

604
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,719
Speaker 3: lump in his throat. And this is again we're talking

605
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 3: fifty five, fifty almost sixty years.

606
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 2: Later, Yeah, he's eighty two, right, yeah, yeah.

607
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 3: And then so this next gentleman I was talking to,

608
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 3: you know, the lieutenant. It was on the phone, and

609
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 3: I could feel them like kind of like almost you know, tearful,

610
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 3: and he goes, please tell your family that you know,

611
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 3: we neutralized the battery that killed your all. So back

612
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 3: to the war comment, you know that you made rad

613
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 3: you know, And I say this, you know when I

614
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 3: speak to schools, no one wins who won in that

615
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 3: story you said earlier, on both sides, we prayed for

616
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 3: both sides. I'm not talking the s s. I'm not

617
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 3: talking to fanaticals. The average German soldier, just like the

618
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 3: average American soldier, was just doing their for.

619
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 2: What they believed in the the what.

620
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 3: They yes, and they paid their you know, they paid their.

621
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 2: They died the ultimate sacrifice.

622
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 3: They were doing their job. My uncle was doing his

623
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 3: and no one want, No one came out alive. And

624
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 3: that example and you other guys like.

625
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 2: You touched on earlier, they're fighting for their friend on

626
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 2: their side too, just like we're fighting for our friend

627
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 2: on our side. And it's like, you know, there was

628
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 2: that time where where it got all quiet, you know,

629
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 2: for Christmas. During the war, everybody kind of had like

630
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 2: a little bit of a makeshift armistice right there. They're like, yeah,

631
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 2: are we cool? Can we have a smoke? Yeah?

632
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. I mean the stories, the World War One

633
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 3: stories where they you know, they they bring out the

634
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 3: soccer balls, you know, the British and the Germans, and

635
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 3: and like you said, they had an armistice, they had,

636
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 3: you know, a cat that came between both lines, and

637
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 3: they they each had different names for the cat.

638
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 2: You know, and it's like the cats just walking around

639
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 2: and they're just trying not to shoot the cat. Don't

640
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 2: shoot the cat exactly, you know, because there's still a

641
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 2: heart inside. So I wanted to not shoot the cat

642
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 2: because it's a cat, right, yeah. Man, I just you know,

643
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 2: I understand that we need to be built up to fight,

644
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 2: but be built up so much that we could be

645
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 2: humble to not have to fight if we don't have

646
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 2: to fight, you know, like train up to be humble.

647
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 2: So you could go, hey, I'm right here, don't don't

648
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 2: don't don't poke the bear. You know, it's a bear. Yeah,

649
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 2: but people want to poke it, right And then and

650
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 2: then we got to have to have like we don't

651
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 2: have just this just in radio coming back to you

652
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 2: in five seconds with more information. Now it's just funneled

653
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 2: into your cerebral cortex. We have nothing but this channel

654
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,320
Speaker 2: and soft rep Media channel and all of our channels

655
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 2: are out there just running into your brain with a

656
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 2: supercomputer facing your eye telling you everything going on in

657
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 2: the world of everything today. It's not like then, and

658
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 2: so today it's like it just it gets so I

659
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 2: don't know, there's just so much more propaganda.

660
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 3: Oh yes, well, and that's one of the why I

661
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 3: wind also in the story to make the importance of

662
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 3: the letters, the letters that were sent to the guys

663
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 3: in the front and the guys that were supposed to

664
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 3: write letters and sending them back home. But it's kind

665
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 3: of like I saw some communication between my uncle and

666
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 3: family members, and my grandmother was a very she was

667
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 3: a tough lady, and she she would like, why aren't

668
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 3: you writing more? And he's like, well, I'm a little busy, mom, I.

669
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 2: Kind of a little busy.

670
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 3: But I think you know what I included in the

671
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 3: book too, to your point, exactly, rad is I want

672
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 3: the person to read it. Obviously, the older people know,

673
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 3: but the younger people you know, you didn't know where

674
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 3: your son was or your daughter, you know, if she

675
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 3: was a nurse, an army nurse or what. You didn't

676
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 3: know where they were. There was no Hey, i'm gonna

677
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 3: I'm gonna call you on, little face, I'm here. You know, Hey,

678
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 3: let's see, you had no clue where they were. And

679
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 3: that now people bombarded. They're at a dinner table, out

680
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 3: to dinner. There, they're each on there on a phone.

681
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 3: They're not even talking to each other, you know. So

682
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 3: so the people need, you know that the youth need

683
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 3: to understand that they didn't know where their son was.

684
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 3: So youth and in the book, I kind of say

685
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 3: where you know, they would go to a movie and

686
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 3: back in that time, the movies would show some clips

687
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 3: of some of the fighting on the front, and you know,

688
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,439
Speaker 3: the parents trying to see if they could see their

689
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 3: their son. You know that. I'm sure everybody did that.

690
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:41,280
Speaker 3: You know, that would.

691
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 2: Go you know, I saw a movie, I want to say,

692
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 2: movie where the guy had written the soldier had written

693
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,399
Speaker 2: a bunch of letters home, just writing home. How come

694
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 2: no one writes back? You know, hey, how come? And

695
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden he gets them all back

696
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 2: to him. They never even got home because lettersn't even

697
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:02,280
Speaker 2: even got out to you know, and that just psychologically

698
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 2: was like, oh, no one even knew the letters. They

699
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 2: like moved or the house, and he doesn't know what's

700
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:11,320
Speaker 2: going on at home. Letters just came back, you know exactly,

701
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 2: he doesn't. It's like a mail call Carl Jones, here's

702
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:15,879
Speaker 2: your mail. And it was like return mail.

703
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 3: You know, everybody who's bite envious and it's like, wow,

704
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 3: look all the letters you get back. It's like you

705
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 3: said return there, but it's you know, And then they

706
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 3: had to be careful because there's like some templates that

707
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 3: are in the book because if you're in North Africa

708
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 3: or if you're in Sicily, or if you're in training,

709
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 3: you know, amphibious training or something, you can't be you

710
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 3: got to be careful what you're right, So they would

711
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 3: they would have like these little templates, but you would

712
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 3: like check a box, you know, rather than say you know,

713
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 3: love blah blah blah, rather than say much because you know,

714
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 3: from a censor standpoint, you could be given away, you know,

715
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 3: the loose lips think yes, the scenario.

716
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 2: Right, and like what if the guy carrying the mail

717
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,280
Speaker 2: got taken out and got his mail and you're like, mom,

718
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 2: I'm behind a bunker right now, like, oh, this is

719
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 2: a fresh letter.

720
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 3: I mean, And to your point, where the twenty four

721
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 3: to seven News, twenty four to seven Sports, twenty four

722
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 3: seven weather, everything is a you know, all big news.

723
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 2: Bitch stop tops, yes, flashes.

724
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I remember, I'm you know, old

725
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 3: enough to remember when when the programming stopped. This is

726
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 3: a special news report and like all of a sudden

727
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 3: you saw that the program stop, chills or go down

728
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:41,839
Speaker 3: here because something major happened. Now to your point, it's

729
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 3: like breaking news and you're reading it. What what's that?

730
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like it's like just the same, it's the

731
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 2: same step. They're like, it's just pumping it. It's so today,

732
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,879
Speaker 2: like everything is just happening right now, and you can

733
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 2: just say, oh, what's going on in Gaza today, What's

734
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 2: going on in Ukraine today? What's going on? And to

735
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,439
Speaker 2: that point, I remember, like back in two thousand and nine,

736
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 2: I think it was like MSN Messenger was a little

737
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 2: pop up window we had. It would pop up you

738
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 2: could talk to your friends, you know, and communicate back

739
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 2: and forth through the laptops. Etc. Through that program and

740
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 2: my friend in Afghanistan, it was like two in the

741
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 2: morning here and he reaches out to me, Hey, you awake.

742
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 2: I was like, I sure am. He's like, man, I

743
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 2: was as home and playing war games with you guys.

744
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 2: I see more action in wargames than I do here.

745
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 2: But then when he came home, that's not true. But

746
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 2: he was just saying, I miss you guys. You know,

747
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 2: but just right there, it was like instantaneous, and he

748
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 2: was probably bummed out, thinking I miss home. I'm gonna

749
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:39,839
Speaker 2: try to get online and see he was online, and

750
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,919
Speaker 2: here's Rad. He's like, hey, Rad, tell me how things

751
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 2: are back in Utah right now? And I'm like, oh, well,

752
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 2: what's going on? Solid? You know? A call sign?

753
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,879
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean, and you know, there have been some

754
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 3: good movies that have dealt with that. I forget the

755
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,959
Speaker 3: name of it, but I remember it was like a nineteen.

756
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 2: Forty sixth movie.

757
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 3: And you know when when people came back, you know,

758
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 3: because like people come back, everybody else is like, Okay,

759
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 3: the war's over, great, Okay, Joe's back. Okay, you got

760
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 3: you're the same guy that left, right, you know. And

761
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 3: Joe wants to meet with Jim, who he never knew Jim,

762
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 3: but they both were over there, so there's a connection

763
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 3: they have where others don't, you know. And then the wives.

764
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 3: The wife's like, you know, why are you drinking so much?

765
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 3: Or why are you so they they you know now

766
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 3: that we what people know today and there's still more

767
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 3: to do. Back then, it was like, what's wrong with

768
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 3: about it? They saw the Yeah, they saw the physical aspect,

769
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 3: like he lost his hands or he'll but why is

770
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 3: he like crying in the middle of the night, Why

771
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:57,839
Speaker 3: is he screaming? What's he yelling? What's wrong with my son?

772
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 3: You know? I mean, I mean that's.

773
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 2: With us, right, and maybe nothing is wrong. It's just

774
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 2: emotions of a situation that I'm not coping with. You're

775
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 2: not coping with he's coping with and so he is

776
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 2: going to have the emotional tears and it's not what's

777
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 2: wrong with you. It's like, no, there's a normal. If

778
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 2: you saw what I saw, you would too. I feel like, yeah, exactly,

779
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 2: you know. So and those men, those.

780
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 3: Men never talked about it, you know, friends of mine,

781
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 3: you know, and we talked about in Granville. We grew

782
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 3: up in a street full of you know, today they'd

783
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 3: call him heroes. Well they were heroes back then. There

784
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 3: were guys that survived the war. But you know they'd

785
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,800
Speaker 3: be walking around working a gas station, work on a farm,

786
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 3: you know, regular people.

787
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 2: Uh.

788
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 3: But they never talked about it, but as they obviously

789
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:52,879
Speaker 3: saw things that affected them, and and and in fine,

790
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:54,879
Speaker 3: I think that beautiful. The great thing with the band

791
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 3: of brothers move and shows like that. Towards the end

792
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 3: of their lives, they hope they started to open on

793
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 3: and get some of that out. And even their kids

794
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,439
Speaker 3: didn't know, you know, you know, their kids could have been.

795
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 2: Saving private saving private running. You know, it starts out, Yeah,

796
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 2: he's old at the cemetery and his kids are with

797
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,359
Speaker 2: him and they're like, g dad, are you okay? As

798
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 2: he takes a knee, starts crying, and then it takes

799
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 2: us right back into he's storming the beach and you know,

800
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 2: they're puking on the patrol boats and or landing craft

801
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 2: and his homie scooping up sand and putting it in

802
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 2: the thing. And it had Sicily and France and now

803
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 2: he has Normandy like what you were talking about. You

804
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 2: know that guy, you know, he's been all over those beaches, bro,

805
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 2: how many? And he was, he sure was, He sure was.

806
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 2: And he just was like, where's my shoe, where's my gun?

807
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 2: And where's the sand cans? And I got to carry

808
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 2: all through this mission, man, geez, you know, and and

809
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 2: and it's it's it's things like this movie called The

810
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 2: hurt Locker Jeremy Renner I believe was his name. He

811
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 2: got injured by a SnowCat recently. But he plays an

812
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 2: flosive ordinance disposal guy who's been in Iraq and all

813
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 2: these other places just defusing bombs and his life set risk.

814
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 2: He just walks up to it, flicks a cigarette, and

815
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 2: just starts going to work on the wires. Everybody else

816
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 2: will be like, ah, he's just like takes the suit off.

817
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,879
Speaker 2: He doesn't even care. And then he comes home and

818
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 2: he's in the grocery store and they pan on him

819
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 2: and he's just like holding a box of like lucky

820
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,879
Speaker 2: charms and his legs, but no one's around him. He's

821
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 2: just like staring like everything, like, really, do you know

822
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 2: what's going on? Where I just came from? And here

823
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 2: we are, you know, And so that's that same kind

824
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 2: of shell shock you're talking about. He gets out. He

825
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 2: comes back and he's like, everyone's like, what's wrong with you?

826
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,280
Speaker 2: But as soon as he goes back, he re enlists

827
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 2: and he goes back to his job. He's like, hey,

828
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:50,320
Speaker 2: let's take these wires apart. You know, born and bred

829
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 2: for that kind of lifestyle. Man, there are those out there.

830
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 3: Yes, there are, And you know it's you're talking earlier about,

831
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 3: you know, growing up through the years. There used to

832
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 3: be and you can still see it on YouTube. There

833
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 3: used to be a show called Combat. It was like

834
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 3: every week it was a squad you know that fought

835
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 3: in France. It started initially, I believe it started with

836
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 3: the D Day invasion and then went into France. But

837
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 3: that was an interesting show, you know because it kind

838
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 3: of you get different characters and you got connected to

839
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 3: the characters, and I think, you know that's where Sully's squad.

840
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 3: Not everybody comes out alive. You know, it would be

841
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 3: ridiculous to think that would different personalities as we as

842
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 3: we've talked a couple of times, and I'll bring it

843
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 3: up a third time because I think it's very important

844
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 3: both sides were except for the fanatics, we're thinking they

845
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 3: were doing there what was best and right and one

846
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 3: of the characters in Sully Squad is Jewish and his

847
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 3: family left Germany because of of what was taking place.

848
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 3: And it's not trying to be annoying when I when

849
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 3: I wrote it, but he would if he saw somebody German,

850
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 3: like a German soldier, he would ask, Hey, anybody know

851
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 3: anybody from Munich or something like, you know, or something

852
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 3: like that, because again, you're you're those people had to

853
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 3: leave home. You know, it affected us here at Pearl Harbor.

854
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 3: But you think about that. You know, in the mid

855
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 3: thirties you had people leaving Germany, leaving wherever who didn't

856
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 3: like what was going on, or then had to leave

857
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 3: because their businesses were destroyed, or you know, so they've

858
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 3: been going through something several years that we just started

859
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 3: at the end of nineteen forty one. So it's kind

860
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 3: of like, you know, having that it was more to

861
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 3: have you know, how much you think about if all

862
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 3: of a sudden you had to in the middle of

863
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 3: the night leave your home, flee you know. And that's

864
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 3: again I wrote it too for history purposes, you know,

865
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 3: you know, it's kind of a it's in three schools.

866
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:17,359
Speaker 3: I'm trying to get more, but it's you know, it

867
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 3: doesn't necessarily fit some of the narrative that's out there today.

868
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 3: It's a book, you know, but just read it. It's

869
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:34,240
Speaker 3: fast paced, it's uh but yeah, yeah, it's.

870
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 2: It's a show and tell book because like I said,

871
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 2: I already felt just from what I read about his

872
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 2: father and just how he plucked his teeth with the

873
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 2: pine needle in it, and he just got the minty

874
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 2: taste of it and his teeth. I just know that,

875
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:51,879
Speaker 2: you know, solely is doing what his heart tells him

876
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 2: to do.

877
00:48:53,320 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and excuse me, yea. But also, and I'm

878
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 3: sure there's people listening. I tried to also, when you

879
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 3: give a command and you you know, like these guys said,

880
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 3: he had to give a command as a sergeant, but

881
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 3: he was there with him, you know, and sometimes guys

882
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,280
Speaker 3: don't make it back. There has to be a part

883
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:22,800
Speaker 3: of you that goes away. There has to be something

884
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 3: you know, you can't up casarasa. That's the way it goes. No,

885
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 3: you don't have that. I mean, some characters and movies

886
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:34,240
Speaker 3: in World War two, you know, if that were focused

887
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 3: on power, you know, maybe them, but the average guy

888
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 3: who's you know, the whether it's army, you know, Navy, marines,

889
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,839
Speaker 3: if you name it. Didn't want to see any of

890
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 3: those under his command get hurt, not to mention, you know,

891
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 3: die and then if you make a decision, which already

892
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 3: actually as a private, had to make a decision one

893
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 3: time or under combat. And uh, I'll let the reader

894
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 3: read that part of it. Yes, but I think that's

895
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 3: the other part too. We talk about people that come

896
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 3: back the memories and like one older gentleman said, they

897
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 3: never had a chance for a family. You know, he

898
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:16,840
Speaker 3: was like eighty ninety years old at the time, you know,

899
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 3: tire he walled up, sure, said, they're still their kid.

900
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 3: I still see John as John at age eighteen, you know.

901
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 3: And now look at me. I'm eighty years old, you know,

902
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,359
Speaker 3: and I've had a chance to live my life John.

903
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:33,320
Speaker 2: Never know, the memory is always that of that person

904
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 2: at that age percent one hundred percent.

905
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 3: Man.

906
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, what a great book, and what a what a

907
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 2: good time for you to put it on paper and

908
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 2: still stay in the healthcare business and not give up

909
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 2: your daytime job. I know a little bit about a

910
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 2: thing or two with you, So don't you worry. So

911
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 2: that's good.

912
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't want to give up. Yeah, not giving

913
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 3: up the daytime job.

914
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 2: No, No. But hey, if you're out there and you're

915
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 2: thinking about you know, and you're trying to brainstorm something

916
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 2: at your studio or your production crew, reach out to

917
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 2: Kevin and you know, go read his book and see

918
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 2: if it's a book that will make a great screenplay

919
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:08,359
Speaker 2: and reach out to him and you know, hey, that's

920
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 2: how it happens, right, It just takes one person to

921
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 2: get involved. And so we can find your book everywhere, right,

922
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 2: it's all over. It's at all the major places and online. Correct.

923
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's on you know, with yourselves, and it's on

924
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 3: you know, beyond Amazon, yourselves.

925
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 2: It's a book.

926
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 3: And yeah, and also the it's got a kindle version.

927
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 2: Is there an audible No?

928
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 3: But I but I'm hoping one of one of the

929
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,800
Speaker 3: outcomes of this would would we could do an audible

930
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 3: version of it?

931
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, that'd be cool.

932
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 3: And I'm also working on a second. I'm also working

933
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 3: on a second. Kind of got stalled a little bit because, uh,

934
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 3: you know, the you're you're you're doing this at night

935
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 3: or maybe on weekends, and sometimes your mind isn't creative,

936
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 3: you know, you know, you're thinking of work, and it's

937
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 3: not like a nine to five job, so sometimes it

938
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 3: carries it carries over and and also you know when

939
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 3: you think of the second what are you gonna talk about?

940
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 2: You know?

941
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 3: So I got to a certain point and I kind

942
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 3: of hit a hit a wall, and I'm gonna resume that,

943
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 3: resume that, break the all down, and.

944
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:21,479
Speaker 2: Resume, rewrite, rewrite. Yeah, I'm rewriting myself, That's what I'm saying.

945
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 2: Rewrite me. That makes no sense, No way, I need

946
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 2: to stay here, not delete me, just delete start over. Well, listen,

947
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 2: I want to thank Guy. Right, we have our friend

948
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 2: Guy at soft Rep. He's our editor. He's like, hey, Rad,

949
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,240
Speaker 2: you guys need to meet, and he brought us together

950
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 2: and I want to give a shout out to Guy.

951
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 2: And I also want to give a shout out to

952
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,760
Speaker 2: Brandon Webb, who keeps soft Rep, you know, just going

953
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:52,280
Speaker 2: with all of us, rolling along with him on this ship.

954
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,320
Speaker 2: So we really appreciate being on board. And I'm grateful

955
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 2: to have this position to talk to you know, authors

956
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:00,799
Speaker 2: and rock stars like yourself, Kevin everybody. He just has

957
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 2: such a cool story and I love talking about it.

958
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 2: Thank you for sharing your story and talking about solely Squad,

959
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 2: which you can find at Amazon. Thanks for allowing me

960
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,320
Speaker 2: to be introduced to Artie and his father with his pipe.

961
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 2: I love it. And to your VFW friends that are

962
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 2: on Main Street in Vermont and on the border of

963
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 2: New York, thank you for your service. And on behalf

964
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:29,800
Speaker 2: of Kevin, this is rad saying thank you for tuning

965
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 2: into soft Rep. Check out our book club where you

966
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:36,240
Speaker 2: can find solely Squad at soft reap dot com, Forward

967
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 2: slash Book, hyphen Club. And this is rap saying thanks

968
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 2: to everybody behind the scenes that helped me make me

969
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 2: look good. So thank you and your peace.

970
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 1: You've been listening to a self rep Radia