1 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Ozone podcast featuring Jaguars dot Com Senior 2 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: writer John Oser and Jack Buars executive producer Dave the Kennis. 3 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: I like to go at the top here, Dave off 4 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: the Beaten Path videos and podcast, So we'll get to 5 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 1: football with our guests, who we won't mention because there's 6 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 1: a little bit of mystery there. Uh, but I want 7 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: to talk today about quarantine hair. You can't see Dave. 8 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: I can see Dave because it's a zoom podcast. Dave. 9 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 1: The hair, what are we doing here? It's fluffy, That's 10 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: what it is now. The front of it's weird. My 11 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: hair has this grown in the front, so I'm like 12 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: right in between my eyes and the front and in 13 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: the back it has not grown, which growing up I was. 14 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: Growing up, I was has always have always been to 15 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: rock music. I was really into punk rock as a 16 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: teenager and always wanted like long, the long, shorter linked, 17 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 1: shaggy air, and I try to grow it in college 18 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:09,320 Speaker 1: and it couldn't and I found out my hair doesn't 19 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: grow down, it grows up. So I basically had like 20 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:16,040 Speaker 1: a afro when I was a freshman in college with 21 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: big mutton chops. Ironically, that's when my wife met me, 22 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 1: and she's still stayed around. And but yeah, when it 23 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 1: gets long, it gets it gets uh pretty. Uh it's 24 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: it's a scene. It's a thing. Have you had the 25 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: haircut yet? Oh no, I have not. I'm I want 26 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: to see where it goes. It's less about like I know, 27 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: things are opening up and stuff. I'm not I'm not 28 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: really right. I'm not really concerned about the hair actually 29 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: getting cut. I just want to see what happens. I 30 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: kind of want to just, yeah, see where it goes 31 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: until it gets like to a point where it's just 32 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: not controllable. I did turn my beard though during this 33 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: I let that go for a while. You you know, 34 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: now have the face layer which looks very or no. 35 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: And I but I made the key tactical pre quarantine 36 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 1: era error of I think I got my hair cut 37 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: about three weeks before the combine, as I recall, maybe 38 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:17,080 Speaker 1: right before the combine because easy to go up there, 39 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: because I got to do a lot of TV, so 40 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: I wanted to make sure you know all that. And 41 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: then right before the shutdown, about two days for the shutdown, 42 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: my son was going to get his hair cut, and 43 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: I thought, well, maybe I should, but there was still 44 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 1: that feeling before the shutdown if you recalled that it 45 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: wasn't real, like you knew it was real, that it was, 46 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: it was it was hard to believe that was really 47 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: gonna happen. So I think I sort of convinced myself that, 48 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 1: but I've I've still got a couple of days or 49 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: just it was kind of lost track of it. And 50 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 1: then the very last day I went to the place 51 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: where using to cut my hair usually just do a 52 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: walk in and it and it already closed. And at 53 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: that point I felt like that was my first feeling 54 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: of the movie, like I am legend, when he was 55 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: sort of alone and there was and there's nobody there. 56 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: You just had a lot of dress of society changing. 57 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: So that has been two months and it's it's it's 58 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: slicked back, and I've gotten many comments and I and 59 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: believe me, I hear them from people listening. Hey, you 60 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: don't look like Drew Carey anymore. What's wrong. So it's 61 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 1: definitely changed that and I don't know if I'll cut 62 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 1: it as short as I had it, but we'll see. 63 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: So that's awesome. That's amazing to me. Dave, how much 64 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: of a alternate universe. Do you feel like you're in 65 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: right now? Because I know I'm quarantine on the phone 66 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: about this the other day. I know I'm quarantine, and 67 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: I know what my routine is and I'm alone in 68 00:03:56,080 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: the house. It's still weird to me when I talked 69 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: to people, like we talked to our guest today, we 70 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: talked to Michael Silver last week. It's still odd when 71 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: I talked to other people and realize that they really 72 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: are doing it too. It still feels like something only 73 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: you're like, nobody's going to the stadium right now, and 74 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 1: we all know that because again to tell people what 75 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: goes on each week, we have a Jaguars team meeting, 76 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 1: which is our president, Mark Lamping talking to people. And 77 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: it's still odd when I look there and see that 78 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 1: Mark's not talking from the office. He's talking from his 79 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: plush digs and pot of it. You know, he's he's 80 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: actually talking from home. And and that's the only time 81 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: that I get a real feeling of, oh, the entire 82 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: world is doing this, not just me. It's still an 83 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: odd feeling that this is real and it's not just 84 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 1: sort of me being told no, John, you have to 85 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 1: stay home. Yeah, Yeah, that's a good point. It's funny, 86 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: like out in my neighborhood, like me and my family 87 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 1: will go take a walk, you know, every day, every 88 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: other day or whatever. It's funny to see it's like 89 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, like all these neighbors are out 90 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: walking around that you've never seen before. It's like, oh, hey, 91 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:10,159 Speaker 1: what's going on? Hey, And it's funny. It's like yeah, right, right, right. 92 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 1: So that's always I always think that's kind of uh, 93 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:14,359 Speaker 1: is you get so caught up in what you have 94 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: going on that you forget like, right, hey, everything else 95 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: everybody else is affected by this, But I was far 96 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 1: too different for us. I know, your wife has been home. Uh, 97 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: my wife has been for her fortunate enough because she 98 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: likes to work. Her job was being essential. She's at 99 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: a place, uh, she works for a manufacturing It was 100 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: deemed essential because she's really been going to work every day. 101 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: So maybe one day we swore from home. And my son, 102 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: who lives with us, he's also been going to work. 103 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: So I guess to me, it feels like I'm the 104 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: only one because they've been out of the house and 105 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:52,840 Speaker 1: they've seen fairly normal. So I know a lot of 106 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 1: people are have been doing both people at home thing, 107 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: and that's I don't think we'd handle that very well. 108 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: We'll get to our us today. So I'm really excited 109 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: about night segue right there. That was a player that 110 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:07,119 Speaker 1: I respected as much as any player I've ever covered 111 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: in terms of talking to him in the locker room. 112 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: The guy who always had incredible perspective on the game 113 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: and incredible respect for the game. I know it's hard 114 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: for your walk away from the game, and I'm anxious 115 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 1: to talk to you about those things today. Former Jaguars linebacker. 116 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: Still sounds weird to say that. Former Jaguars linebacker Paul 117 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: for BLESNI Paul, how are you good? Thank you very 118 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: much for having me on. Well, it's uh, it's odd. 119 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: I'll be honest. It's still odd not to talk to 120 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: you in the locker room every week. Um. I always 121 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: enjoyed your perspective on football. We'll get into football later on, 122 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: but take me through what you're doing. I know I 123 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: talked to you at your retirement ceremony and then I 124 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: think last summer for a series we were doing. But 125 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:54,159 Speaker 1: what has life been like and just the details of 126 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: what you've been doing since football. I know you you said, 127 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:00,359 Speaker 1: it's it's it's odd for you. It's very odd for 128 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: me not to be not to be a Jacksonville Jaguar. 129 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: It still feels I mean, this is going on. You know, 130 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: once this season starts, it will be year three away 131 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: from the game. UM, but it still feels different, and 132 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: it's been a it's been an interesting process trying to 133 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: figure out what's next. You know. Once, once I stopped playing, 134 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 1: I started a graduate school program to get my m 135 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: b a UM in an effort kind of just to 136 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: learn what else is out there. I had a great 137 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: opportunity in my first year out of ball to work 138 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: UM at Malone Air Charter, local air charter company that um, 139 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: you know, just a chance to be around aviation and 140 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: aircraft and be surrounded by great people, and that was 141 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: that was an unbelievable opportunity. I loved every day of it. 142 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 1: And that was a passion for you, right, absolutely. Yeah. 143 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: I've always um, you know, I always loved everything about aviation. 144 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: And my father was a longtime aircraft mechanic for US 145 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: Air and then American uh So it was always a 146 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: round in some aspect, and I guess I just wanted 147 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: to learn more and then you left that to go 148 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: pursue graduate school. I was doing doing both. I started 149 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 1: graduate school and was doing that, and then actually another 150 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: opportunity came up that had that was more geared towards 151 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: I guess my educational background. That was with T I 152 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: A Bank. So I'm actually with t I A right now. 153 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: I was joking with you beforehand, I wanted to stay 154 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: connected to the Jaguars in some way, so, um, it 155 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: took the corporate relationship. But another thing, great people, awesome 156 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: learning experience, and I love what I'm what I'm doing, 157 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:44,680 Speaker 1: and it's a it's more associated with with my education 158 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: in the NBA program that I'm in. So it's been 159 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: an unbelievable experience. Now, what motivated you? Clearly, Um, you 160 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 1: financially well in football, so you had options after football. 161 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: What motivated you to want to go T I A 162 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:03,079 Speaker 1: Bank to stay in that route because that's that's hard work. 163 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: You probably wouldn't have to do that yet. I think 164 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 1: that the biggest thing was, you know, getting away from 165 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: the from the game. You you almost you almost try 166 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: to find something that replicates it in a sense of 167 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 1: not obviously not the not the on field aspect, but 168 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: being a part of the team, um, you know, being 169 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: able to rely on other people, do you know, having passion, 170 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 1: doing something important, doing something very challenging. So this was 171 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 1: an area that that that kind of fulfilled all of 172 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: those where you get to work with great people, um, 173 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: be a part of something special and and and and 174 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: working in a challenging area. So that that was uh, 175 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 1: I mean, this opportunity has kind of fulfilled that when 176 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 1: you see yourself long term, you know, five year gold 177 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: do you see yourself? People have always asked me, would 178 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: you ever coach? Because it just seems like something that 179 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: you would be very good at. And I always tell 180 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: people sometimes ex players don't want to coach because it 181 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:06,319 Speaker 1: can be a tricky transition and it's it's a lot 182 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:08,959 Speaker 1: of hours away from family. Is that something you'd ever 183 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: want to do or is this your path? Or are 184 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: you still figuring that out? I would say I'm still 185 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: very much in the process of figuring that out. I 186 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 1: can said that when I, you know, towards the end 187 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: of my career, and then right when I got done, 188 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: I said, uh, you know, I don't know if coaching 189 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:25,839 Speaker 1: is really for me, you know, just and that's another thing, 190 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 1: just because if you if you play ball for a 191 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 1: long time, that doesn't mean you would be a great coach. 192 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: But um, I said, I thought I always wanted to 193 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: try something something different or move on and realize that 194 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: football is such an enormous part of my life and 195 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,199 Speaker 1: I loved every every minute of it, but then also 196 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 1: find a new challenge. But I can say the more 197 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,679 Speaker 1: that I'm away from the game, the more I want 198 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: to be close to the game. So if so, I won't. 199 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:55,079 Speaker 1: I won't say no to coaching. But I do know 200 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: that I'm still very much in the process of trying 201 00:10:57,160 --> 00:10:59,839 Speaker 1: to figure out what's truly next. So how about playing it? 202 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: In everybody? I still get questions from people, would you 203 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: come back? And and I'm half joking but or or 204 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: or mostly joking, but you look like you could play 205 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: obviously if you trust me. If I if I could, 206 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: I would have. I would have never stopped. I would 207 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 1: have never stopped. I miss it. I missed it so bad. 208 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 1: And yeah, so unfortunately, I mean thirty five, I wait, 209 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 1: I wait to fifteen right now? I lost a lot 210 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 1: of weight, and it's just yeah, unfor unfortunately. If I 211 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:34,079 Speaker 1: trust me, if I could, I would be out there 212 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: and that was an interesting dynamic to me, and I 213 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: was gonna asked about this later, but we talked about 214 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 1: it now. I remember talking to you, I think even 215 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: before your press conference, and we were just talking about 216 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 1: the decision, not for anything I was gonna write, but 217 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: you said over and over again, I didn't want to 218 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 1: go out there if I didn't feel like I was 219 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 1: at my best. And clearly you could have played at 220 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 1: some level, but that mattered so much to you didn't 221 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: and it that was something that you didn't want to. 222 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:05,319 Speaker 1: I guess cheat the game, cheap teammates, whatever that is. 223 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: You knew right absolutely. I mean the thing was I 224 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: just I didn't want to You've seen it. You've seen 225 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:15,599 Speaker 1: it happened so many times before with players who have 226 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 1: played a long time and the last couple of years. 227 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 1: You would just look and say, man, that's that's not them. 228 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: And for a lot of different reasons, I wanted I 229 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: wanted to avoid that, just because you know, we all 230 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: know what what our best is and how we feel 231 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: when we're at our best, and if we're not there, 232 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: it just it didn't feel right to line up with 233 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: those guys knowing that I wasn't able to do things 234 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 1: that I that I could before. So that was that 235 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: was the hardest part, because you still want to play 236 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 1: and you know you and like you said, you know 237 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: you can play at some level. I feel like I 238 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 1: could have played another year, but what it would have 239 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 1: been my absolute best? Probably not your biggest adjustment after football. 240 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 1: I guess you can't talked about it a little bit, 241 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: but I remember were talking to you last I guess summer, 242 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 1: and you were very candid. Some guys when they walk 243 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 1: away say great, this has been an adjustment for you 244 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: that you've worked on, and you've been pretty candid that, hey, 245 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 1: I did this for a long time and something's missing 246 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: a little bit and I can deal with it. But 247 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: it's difficult, and it feels like you felt like it 248 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 1: was important to be honest with yourself about that. I know, 249 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:22,959 Speaker 1: I didn't want to hide from the from the problems 250 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 1: that uh that can come up. I mean because football, 251 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: when you play it, I mean and you're around it, 252 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: football is it's an addicting drug and I mean you 253 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: get every everything about you, um, I mean you're surrounded 254 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: by it. That's all you think about all day and 255 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden that's taken away, and it's 256 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: hard to not not not taking away forcefully, but you 257 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: decide to move on. I mean every every day you 258 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: thought about it between how what time you were gonna train, 259 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: what you were gonna eat, what your recovery process. So 260 00:13:55,400 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: I mean your your hoold everything was structured around that, um. 261 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 1: And then when that's not they're just being able to 262 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:05,959 Speaker 1: find something to replicate that structure and order that in 263 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: passion and and and being on a team. Um, it's 264 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 1: it's hard to do. Take me through a quarantine day, 265 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: for pause, what do you like working t a bank? 266 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: But I get a feeling most people during the quarantine 267 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: are Netflix, They're they're chilling. You don't seem to mean 268 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: to be a guy who's doing that. You must have 269 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: something else you're do in quarantine. What I mean we try, 270 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: We try to stay as structured as possible. I mean 271 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: still get of course try try, um, I mean's still 272 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: you know, wake up early, try to get you know 273 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: six am or six dirty wake up too, to work 274 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: out in the backyard and get up early because then 275 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: because then you beat the kids out of bed. So 276 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: you get up early, get your workout done. Then then 277 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: you know we have our or year old and three 278 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 1: year old. They'll get up, um, you know, make breakfast 279 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 1: with them. And then if it's if it's a day 280 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: that so with T I A, you know, we're working 281 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 1: from home eight thirty or nine am. We'll get on, 282 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 1: get on, you know, or I guess you know, log 283 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: onto our our company instrument and and get going on 284 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: on the day's tasks. Take a take a break around 285 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 1: lunch to spend some time with the kids, and then 286 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: and then get back to it. Got you Now, I 287 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 1: have my version of a backyard workout. I run on 288 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: the treadmill for five minutes. There you go. It's something. 289 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 1: What's your version of the backyard I pickure your backyard 290 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 1: being golds gym. At this point we said, it's it's funny. 291 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: So I always I always trying to separate that. I 292 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: would always go work out of the gym and then 293 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: when you're home, you're home. But once this happened, uh around, 294 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: my wife said, hey, can we get a couple of things, 295 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 1: and so ending the purchase purchasing some dumbbells and cantabells. 296 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 1: So we have those on the back porch. And so 297 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 1: I'll go through a route team what with everything that 298 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: we have back. One question I had was when you 299 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 1: move to a new city as you did when you 300 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: came from Buffalo in here. It's been ten years, um, 301 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: but you came to Jacksonville, maybe not knowing what it 302 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 1: was going to be. And now it strikes me that 303 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: you're a part of jackson Not everybody has done that 304 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: in the last few years with the organization because has 305 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: been that good. But on the field, do you feel 306 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: a part of the community and are you surprised or uh, 307 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: are you ever surprised by how much a part of 308 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: the community are and how recognize you are. I guess 309 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 1: it's the question. I mean, I think to go with 310 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: your first part. When when I first got here, it 311 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 1: was it was strictly because it seemed like it was 312 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: a great opportunity to to win and play football, right, 313 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: and then the more we had an opportunity to stay, well, 314 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: you know, my wife and I you know, our three 315 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 1: kids were born here and now we view this is 316 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 1: this is home to us and we don't want to leave. Um. 317 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 1: And that's that's because I mean, obviously the the area, 318 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 1: the people have been have been unbelievable. I mean, you feel, 319 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: especially when you have opportunity to play some different places 320 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:22,400 Speaker 1: or grow up in different areas. You realize that this 321 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,640 Speaker 1: is a truly special place where you're surrounded rounded by 322 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 1: great people obviously, be whether the beach, every everything that 323 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 1: Jacksonville has to offer. Um, it makes it. It makes 324 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 1: it really really hard to leave. And you still have 325 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 1: that type of I mean a hometown or small town field, 326 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: you know. I mean Jacksonville is a major a major 327 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:44,880 Speaker 1: city in the Southeast, but you still have it. It's 328 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: a very you feel like it's a very close knit community. 329 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: Is ever crazy to think how much a a decision 330 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 1: like that, which you made for certain reasons sort of 331 00:17:57,359 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: shapes life going for it. That's how life works, obviously, 332 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: but it I'm sure at that point you had no 333 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: idea that was how I was gonna play out. You're 334 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: coming here to play football and and you sort of 335 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 1: found out home. It's pretty cool, absolutely. I mean it 336 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: speaks a lot about this area. I mean, you came 337 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:16,120 Speaker 1: here for work because this was gonna be a great 338 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:19,199 Speaker 1: opportunity to play ball, and then all of a sudden, 339 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 1: you know, your your kids start to grow up here 340 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: and you may and you have great friends here and 341 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: you say, I don't. I don't know what what really 342 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 1: forced us to leave? Now, you I was there's no 343 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 1: football going on now. But I think when I talked 344 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: to you maybe in your first fall away, you really 345 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: didn't watch the games that much. Is that correct? Just? Yes, 346 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:43,159 Speaker 1: it was too it was too it was too fresh. 347 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:46,880 Speaker 1: Right now? Did that change a little bit last year 348 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 1: or you back to being a little bit of a 349 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 1: fan or is that still difficult or where are you 350 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: at with that? Yeah, I'll I'm just I find myself 351 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 1: starting to watch more and more during during the last season, 352 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: because you know, you love the game so much, and 353 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 1: I think it's finally set in the um, I'm not 354 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: gonna play anymore. And then once and then once you 355 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 1: you truly it's easy to say that, you know, it 356 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 1: was easy to say that, I know I'm done playing, 357 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:15,440 Speaker 1: but then deep down you feel like you could have 358 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: been out there. You know. Now it's at the point 359 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 1: where okay, I know, I know that playing football is 360 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 1: is truly pass me. So now I can just I 361 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:28,159 Speaker 1: can enjoy watching it and appreciate the great game that 362 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: it is. It is the I'm not sure the word 363 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 1: I'm looking for, but was the body clock different last fall. 364 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 1: Meaning I'm sure that first fall, everything is still sort 365 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 1: of cycled around. It's Friday, it's Saturday, it's not you know, 366 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: game days coming up. There was still a little bit 367 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 1: of that. Did that go away a little bit? Yes, 368 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 1: I'm getting that because it's such a schedule, such a routine. Absolutely. 369 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: I mean the first year, it was no you you 370 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 1: you felt, okay, this is I'm supposed to be in 371 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: training camp, all right, the fall, Okay, I'm some I'm 372 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: supposed to be playing football. And and now I'm at 373 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: the point where, okay, it's it's uh, you know when 374 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:08,920 Speaker 1: the fall comes around, it's okay, I'm taking my daughter, 375 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: I'm driving my daughter to school in the morning. You know, 376 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 1: So that the feeling of the change of the seasons 377 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: and now corresponds with different things. How did your wife 378 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: handle that first year? Just keep an eye on you 379 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: a little bit? Hey, you doing okay? I mean she 380 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 1: loved it because I was I was home or you 381 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 1: know there. I know I know that she she knows 382 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:33,120 Speaker 1: that I that I miss it, you know, and especially 383 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:35,159 Speaker 1: then in the beginning that I that I really missed it. 384 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 1: But she was always very supportive, and I know she 385 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: it was it was great that we had. We had 386 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: so much more family time than before. Sure that makes sense. Um, 387 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 1: A few football questions that maybe never asked you, but 388 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: I think fans I love hearing how you guys felt 389 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 1: about their players, teammates, et cetera. Best Jaguars player you 390 00:20:56,240 --> 00:21:00,879 Speaker 1: ever played with that I ever played with? Wow, I 391 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: mean the one the name that immediately came to mind 392 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 1: was Maurice Jones Drew. Yeah, you know that. Offensively, I 393 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:11,679 Speaker 1: would say, I just he was. He was an unbelievable player. 394 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: He was great to play with when we were teammates, 395 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 1: and you know, playing against him several times prior to 396 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 1: becoming teammates, obviously had the ultimate respect for him. Darryl 397 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 1: Smith on on defense, I still have I have. I 398 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:28,919 Speaker 1: hold him in the highest regard because he was I mean, 399 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 1: I just when I first when I got to Jacksonville, 400 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: he was that. He was the leader of the defense, 401 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 1: leader of the linebackers, and we all looked up to 402 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 1: him just because it made him different. You've talked about 403 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: him to me before. Um, it strikes me that to 404 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: get that kind of respect from you, a guy just 405 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: can't be talented. He's gotta be more than that. So 406 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,120 Speaker 1: he must have been a prose pro and I've done 407 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,400 Speaker 1: a lot of things well that you respected. I mean 408 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,199 Speaker 1: absolutely so truth professional when it came to how we 409 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: approached the game and then the the on field aspect, 410 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 1: it was just his overall versatility that didn't The coaches 411 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: and players are like, knew that whatever you asked him 412 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: to do, he had the ability to do it, and 413 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:12,640 Speaker 1: he was going to do it in an extremely high 414 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: level regardless of what it was. If it was well 415 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: we need you to rush off the edge, just play, 416 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: he'd say, Okay, I can do that. Or now we 417 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: need you to cover the title you know, man and 418 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 1: man on this play, Okay, I can I can do that. 419 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 1: Just his his the range of his skill set was 420 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:30,160 Speaker 1: so impressive to me that, um, regardless of the situation, 421 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 1: he could easily adapt and do in such a smooth 422 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: way that it was. It was just really really impressive 423 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: to see him play. Did you watch when you were playing? 424 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 1: Did you watch a lot of football like other NFL 425 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 1: You can't on Sundays, I get that, But did you 426 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:50,159 Speaker 1: study other players? If so, were there guys that you 427 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:55,439 Speaker 1: particularly admired, be it's your position or others? I know 428 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,119 Speaker 1: when I especially when first getting into the NFL and 429 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 1: then and then in my career to route. So it was, uh, 430 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: for the vast majority of time, I was in a 431 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,399 Speaker 1: four three defense, very similar to you know, the old 432 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,200 Speaker 1: Tampa Bay or Chicago Bears. So when I first got 433 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,400 Speaker 1: into the NFL, it was I was given cut ups 434 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 1: and Brian or Lacker and they and that that was 435 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,719 Speaker 1: told basically, just watch him and try to replicate what 436 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 1: he does. And I continue to to watch him, you know, 437 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 1: throughout his career because he was um obviously whole you know, 438 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame caliber player, and so to learn from 439 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 1: him and to watch him. He was a guy that 440 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:35,959 Speaker 1: that I really really paid attention to anybody else in 441 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 1: terms of just maybe not at your position, that you admired, 442 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: respected for any other reason. I mean, there were there 443 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: were so many guys that when you look back and 444 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 1: you say, wow, they really did things right. I think 445 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 1: when I'm going back to my town in Buffalo, Kyle Williams, 446 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 1: who and who was a interior d lineman. So I 447 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,919 Speaker 1: had a close relationship with him, but then um, you know, 448 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: would watch him throughout our career. And then I got 449 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 1: got to Jacksonville still kept an eye on him to 450 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,400 Speaker 1: see how he was performing, because he was another guy 451 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 1: true professional, but then highly skilled and then just played 452 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,919 Speaker 1: with such passive passion and aggressiveness on the field was 453 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 1: something that you could you could appreciate regardless of what 454 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 1: team you were on. Got you something I've never asked you. 455 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:20,919 Speaker 1: I can't believe I haven't because I've talked to you 456 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: so often over the years. Um, when somebody would draw 457 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 1: a Penn State linebacker, it would probably be modeled after you. 458 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 1: You know, I mean, you know, I know you're not 459 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: gonna take that, but Um, when you were a kid, 460 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 1: was that always a goal? A dream? And if so, 461 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 1: when do you first remember thinking, Man, I want to 462 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 1: play football at Penn State? Is good? You know, because 463 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,159 Speaker 1: you're sort of the dictionary definition of it. And I 464 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 1: know you're not gonna say that, but was that always 465 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 1: the case when I was so? I mean, I loved 466 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 1: Penn State, especially because when I was when I first 467 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: truly started to appreciate football and love the game. That's 468 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 1: LaVar Arrington and Brandon Short we're playing linebacker Penn State. 469 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,360 Speaker 1: At that time, Courtney Brown was playing d N so 470 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 1: you know, great Penn State football teams. When I will 471 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 1: say though, when it when it was time, if I 472 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 1: could have had the ultimate would to go play for 473 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: was to go play for Notre Dame. Um. I didn't 474 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 1: get recruited by them. It wasn't good enough. It wasn't 475 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,159 Speaker 1: good enough to go to Notre Dame. And at that 476 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,640 Speaker 1: time and thing, and you know, thankfully had an opportunity 477 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,640 Speaker 1: to play at Penn State and that it all worked 478 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 1: out the way it should. But I can remember when 479 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 1: I was, you know, sophomore junior in high school, I said, man, 480 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 1: to play to play college ball for the Fighting Irish, 481 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 1: that would be that would be unbelievable. Obviously I loved 482 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 1: my time at at linebacker, you um, but it was there, 483 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,640 Speaker 1: there was a transition there, that's uh, you know that 484 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: that was you know, Notre Dame football was always kind 485 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 1: of the this this legendary, this legendary idea and it 486 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 1: would have been exciting to be a part of that. 487 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 1: But like I said, I for with Penn State, I 488 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: believe blue and White. Now where you grew up to 489 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: go to Penn State, was that a big deal? Was 490 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 1: that uh the goal of the dream for people that 491 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 1: you were around? Yeah, I mean yeah, in western Pennsylvania. 492 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 1: Penn State football is huge. Obviously, there's there's an enormous 493 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 1: draw to the Pittsburgh Steelers, but then after that, it's 494 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:36,400 Speaker 1: it's Penn State football. That's gonna be pretty cool. Your 495 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 1: last big moment, big game was beating Steelers up there. 496 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 1: That's pretty good way to go out right. To do that, 497 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 1: you know, to go up there twice in that in 498 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: that season and beat them twice, unbelievable experience. I was 499 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,399 Speaker 1: gonna ask you about that season that run, as I 500 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 1: was you're sort of apairing this thing about your career. Well, 501 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,359 Speaker 1: it could have ended better had you won two more games. 502 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 1: That had to be almost an ideal way to finish 503 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: it off, you know. I mean without that, I would 504 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 1: think it would have been a lot tougher to walk away. Absolutely, 505 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 1: I mean you think to finally have an opportunity so 506 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 1: to when the NFC South, you know, um have a 507 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: have a great run in the playoffs and being being 508 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 1: so close to the to the big one. But just 509 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:24,399 Speaker 1: the fact that you you know, it was you were 510 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:29,120 Speaker 1: able to to end knowing that, um, I finally had 511 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 1: that success that you're that you were after your entire 512 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,679 Speaker 1: career that was. It was, it was. It was a 513 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 1: great way. It was a great way to to end 514 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 1: a career. The players, the teammates made no bones about 515 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 1: that part of what was special to them. I was 516 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 1: allowing you to go through it. They had to be 517 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 1: pretty cool too, righte. That was I was. I was 518 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,920 Speaker 1: so appreciative of that. You know about how the the 519 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,120 Speaker 1: the guys, um, I mean it is you you kind 520 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,879 Speaker 1: of get a sense of of of things in the 521 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 1: locker room and uh, players across the board from you know, 522 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 1: Marquis Lee, you know to Klais Campbell. You you have 523 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 1: a young up and coming star versus a season veteran 524 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,120 Speaker 1: who were They would talk to me all the time 525 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 1: about that, you know, so that it was a special 526 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,399 Speaker 1: run because of that, because of the players and the 527 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:25,119 Speaker 1: people involved. Only two guys played for del Rio Gus 528 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,159 Speaker 1: and Doug Morn and that was you and Mercedes. I 529 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 1: guessed the question. You saw a lot and you saw 530 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:37,159 Speaker 1: a lot of weird times, tough times, good times. Um, 531 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 1: you know, I'm not even sure what I'm asking, but 532 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: does it strike you that you saw a lot with 533 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 1: this organization. We went through a lot of changes and 534 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 1: it's I feel like you can only you can only 535 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 1: really appreciate it, you know, the the challenges you know, 536 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 1: in the highs and lows that we experienced. When you 537 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: when you talk to some other guys and you say 538 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 1: they you said, yeah, I played seven right years on 539 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: the same coach the whole time. That wasn't you know, 540 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 1: that wasn't the environment that we were in at that time. 541 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 1: So it's it's the great thing is it provided you 542 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 1: with a lot of learning opportunities to see how see 543 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 1: how things were done, how different people things. Um formed 544 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 1: a lot of relationships, you know, with with great people 545 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 1: that for for different reasons they got they got to 546 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: stay or they didn't. But um, yeah, so it was 547 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 1: it was an interesting experience. For sure. People could look 548 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 1: at it and say, wow, you played for the Jaguars 549 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 1: during a lot of tough years and there was probably 550 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 1: more losing than there was winning. Um boy, don't you 551 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 1: wish you'd sign somewhere else? But from talking to you, 552 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 1: it never seemed like that was ever the case. And 553 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 1: maybe it was the dedication to the call, you know 554 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 1: that that it wasn't what made you tick. But no 555 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 1: regrets about ever signing here were there. No, not at all. 556 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 1: Not at all, I think, because I mean when you 557 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 1: think about, yeah, so we didn't have it, we didn't 558 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 1: win a ton, But when it's all said and done, 559 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't remember what our record was during 560 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 1: our time here, but I do know that they had 561 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: an opportunity to meet some unbelievable people, to make some 562 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 1: great relationships, to find a permanent a place that you 563 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 1: can call a permanent home, to be surrounded by great 564 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 1: fans and have great experiences, And in the end that's 565 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 1: going to mean more then then the amount of games 566 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 1: that you want, you know, so that those are going 567 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: to be the things that last forever. Are the people. 568 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 1: The experiences and relationships that you formed in those aspects 569 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 1: were all unbelievable. Here. See, I've known you long enough now, 570 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 1: almost ten years, believe it or not. Where I can 571 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 1: remember when Paul faz Lesnie Hercules got to Jacksonville with 572 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 1: a hair ever any thought during the quarantine, and going 573 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 1: back to that, I mean, I haven't had a haircut 574 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 1: in in eight weeks now. My wife actually asked me, said, 575 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 1: what are you gonna do. I'm just gonna I'll just 576 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 1: keep throwing it out like it's like it's two thousand 577 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 1: twelve again, right, so no thought of going back to that, 578 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 1: but not quite that far. No, there, there's there's too 579 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 1: many bad stages between how short it is now and 580 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 1: long head down to your shoulders. It's it's not worth it. 581 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 1: It's right. It was down to your shoulders when you 582 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 1: first got here, wasn't it. Yeah, that was quite a 583 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 1: story when you came back that year. Yeah, yeah, different times. 584 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 1: It's hard to believe that that. It's hard to believe that. 585 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 1: So we've been doing this for ten years. It's amazing quickly. 586 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 1: I mean you you say it all the time. It's 587 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 1: all the time flies, but that's unbelievable. Has gone by fast, well, Paul, 588 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: I could do this forever. I can't thank you enough 589 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,719 Speaker 1: for joining us. I can't thank you enough for sharing 590 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 1: your thoughts on on our retirement and how difficult that is. 591 00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 1: Because although you talk about it, you talk about it 592 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 1: very well, very candidly. It's something that I do think 593 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 1: when people hear it, I think it would be very 594 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 1: interesting people. So I appreciate you sharing that and everything 595 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 1: else today. And uh, I hope to talk to you soon. 596 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 1: Thank you, Thanks for spending hopefully get to see you 597 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 1: this fall. All right, Well, I want to thank Paulter's 598 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 1: Lessons for giving us some time. Uh, and it is 599 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 1: always appreciated. These guests, they all have other lives, the 600 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 1: all have things going on, but they're willing to talk 601 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 1: to us for a while. It's kind of cool. And 602 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 1: I know for days. Uh, that was maybe the best 603 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 1: minutes of your life since the wedding. Or I mean, 604 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 1: it's up there, right, you're a big it's up there. 605 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 1: I would sit talk about definitely. So it's like marriage, 606 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 1: birth of kids and then pause, kind of we've in 607 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 1: there somewhere. No, I do Paul Plauz Lesnie when it 608 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 1: comes to like all time favorite Jaguar players, he maybe, 609 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 1: I mean he is like one, two or three or 610 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: a combination of all three. He is. Well, so I 611 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 1: gotta explain the background of it first. Why the big fan. 612 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 1: So I grew up a Penn State fan. My family 613 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 1: was for him up there. My brother went there, my 614 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:12,800 Speaker 1: dad went there. So a linebacker you and pause pause 615 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:14,240 Speaker 1: and I are about the same age or are the 616 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 1: same age? Um? And when I was I went to 617 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 1: college at UCF and he was at Penn State at 618 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 1: the same time. So like I still was like had 619 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 1: I on Penn State on what they were doing, and 620 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 1: Pause was a two time uh Bnertic Award winner there 621 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 1: at Penn State, and he was awesome. He wore thirty one, 622 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 1: which is also kind of a Penn State thing because 623 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,040 Speaker 1: there was a linebacker there in the eighties named Shane 624 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 1: Conlin who in the NAST Championship game had the big 625 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 1: interception to basically ended in six. I think it was 626 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,720 Speaker 1: also drafted by the Bills. There we go so more 627 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,479 Speaker 1: you know, um so that was cool. And plus it 628 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 1: was like like before he was the last of well, 629 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 1: I guess Navar Bowman came up him, but the line 630 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 1: of like it was LaVar Arrington and Brandon Short and 631 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,800 Speaker 1: then then there was somebody else and Sean Lee was 632 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,880 Speaker 1: at the same time as as paused. It was just 633 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 1: like he was the of course with Jack Hamm Jack Well, 634 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,759 Speaker 1: I was when I was I was not born when 635 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 1: Jack Camp played, but my dad and I was Jack Camp. 636 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,480 Speaker 1: Uh so, and also like I mean look at him 637 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,799 Speaker 1: when he came to Jacksonville with the locks and the 638 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,360 Speaker 1: hair and you know, I mean he was he was 639 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 1: the man and they played well here and uh and 640 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 1: also now working I guess I always think it's working 641 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 1: with him. I guess you know as a player, as 642 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 1: a player, and you're just hasty. Very much is to 643 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:49,359 Speaker 1: explain to people in your capacity. I talked to him 644 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 1: in the locker room very similarly to when I was 645 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:56,879 Speaker 1: a newspaper reporter. So it's not signally different. You came 646 00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,839 Speaker 1: from TV for a long time, you were shooting behind 647 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:02,799 Speaker 1: a camera with these guys and got to know him 648 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,520 Speaker 1: a little bit. But now with the Jaguars, you approach 649 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 1: him for things like Mike Depp segments. You're more of 650 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 1: a producer where you talk to these guys and get 651 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 1: to know him a little better. And I don't want 652 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,440 Speaker 1: to speak for you, but I know from my experience 653 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 1: with Pose that's where he's terrific in terms of the professionalism, 654 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:26,799 Speaker 1: in terms of he treats everybody with a great deal 655 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 1: of respect, which in any walk of life is it's 656 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 1: not a given. It was always very nice, very cordial, 657 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,799 Speaker 1: very you know, always ask you how you were doing, 658 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:38,879 Speaker 1: how's your family. And the other part of it too 659 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 1: is we both had our first kid about the same time, 660 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,920 Speaker 1: so we were during that whole thing we're talking about, 661 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,279 Speaker 1: you know, buying crib putting together cribs and toys and 662 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 1: getting rooms ready, and uh so I always appreciate him. 663 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,400 Speaker 1: I think it's a good good dude. And uh it 664 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 1: was fun to stear him talk about it talk today 665 00:35:55,719 --> 00:36:00,440 Speaker 1: and my heart was a flutter. I thought, Dave, what 666 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:06,080 Speaker 1: was interesting to hear Pause talk about this. One reason 667 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 1: why the media I think enjoyed Pause so much, mean 668 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 1: was there is it is his willingness. When you asked 669 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,319 Speaker 1: him a question, he always tried to give you a 670 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:20,239 Speaker 1: thoughtful answer for the most part. And that held true 671 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 1: after a lot of tough losses held true and a 672 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:28,239 Speaker 1: lot of tough times. But hearing him talk about retirement 673 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:34,200 Speaker 1: as candidly as he does, here's a guy with I mean, 674 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:38,279 Speaker 1: most people who meet him would think if anybody could 675 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,800 Speaker 1: adjust to life after football, it was gonna be paused. 676 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:46,000 Speaker 1: He he had a plan. I definitely see him being 677 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:47,880 Speaker 1: a coach at some point, but right now, his his 678 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:54,120 Speaker 1: plan is that he wants to use his education. He 679 00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,120 Speaker 1: was ready to take that step, and I'm sure it 680 00:36:56,239 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 1: thought about it, had contacts, the whole works. He's very 681 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:04,520 Speaker 1: candid that it's a struggle. It's tough when, especially for 682 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:08,279 Speaker 1: somebody like him who. I was never around him when 683 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,520 Speaker 1: he was working out or training, but you can only 684 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,200 Speaker 1: imagine that he had a plan every day off season. 685 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,280 Speaker 1: He was going to be working out at this point, 686 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,080 Speaker 1: like he said, he's gonna be eating this. And when 687 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,120 Speaker 1: your whole life is geared towards that and your identity 688 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 1: as a player and you live for those sundays, anything 689 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:28,680 Speaker 1: gets taken away from you, it's an adjustment. Football, especially 690 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:33,520 Speaker 1: because it's it's such a unique any sport. That was 691 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:38,239 Speaker 1: fascinating to me. As I think we talked about what 692 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,000 Speaker 1: we're talking about this, I can't imagine him not being 693 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,040 Speaker 1: a coach at some point. I think he'll be a 694 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:48,160 Speaker 1: great coach. I think my anticipation is that he'll be 695 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,160 Speaker 1: a defensive coordinator within six or seven years, and he'll 696 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,879 Speaker 1: be a head coach. He's thirty five now, I think 697 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:55,239 Speaker 1: he'll be a head coach in the NFL by the 698 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:56,880 Speaker 1: time he's forty five or forty six. I think he 699 00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,320 Speaker 1: will be on the fast track. He will be great 700 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,520 Speaker 1: at it, and I look forward to watching them. But 701 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,600 Speaker 1: the biggest thing I took away as a pause fan 702 00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,319 Speaker 1: is I wanted to go to the other Dame. What's up? 703 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,880 Speaker 1: With that dude, you can grow up in Pennsylvania. Gonna say, okay, 704 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:13,640 Speaker 1: kind of went down a notch in my book. I 705 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:19,160 Speaker 1: mean western Pennsylvania. That Notre Dame has got a strong appeal. 706 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,120 Speaker 1: I get there to day. But come on, man, come 707 00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,719 Speaker 1: on right. So that hurts you, It hurt a little bit. 708 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,359 Speaker 1: He didn't go to UCF and that bothers you too, 709 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:33,000 Speaker 1: So that's true. That's true. So all right, well the 710 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 1: final segment today, um, and we're gonna try moving forward. 711 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:38,560 Speaker 1: I'm not sure this will be the question every week. 712 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,080 Speaker 1: We're gonna work on this and see if we can 713 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:44,319 Speaker 1: get it right. The Ozone five, it's we're gonna talk 714 00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:48,080 Speaker 1: to each guest as some five quick questions, try to 715 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,440 Speaker 1: get a little bit into the first personality has some 716 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,879 Speaker 1: fun with it. So right now to close the show, 717 00:38:53,400 --> 00:39:02,800 Speaker 1: The Ozone five with Paulpa's like Paul last Binge watch 718 00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,640 Speaker 1: Outlander on Netflix. Were watching it with my wife right now, 719 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:11,359 Speaker 1: just about through season four. What's in your pockets on 720 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,239 Speaker 1: a normal day when you leave the house, go through 721 00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,640 Speaker 1: the checklist, it's it's wallet, phone, keys, that's all I need. 722 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:22,200 Speaker 1: Last station or song listen to in your car? Last 723 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,520 Speaker 1: station would be nine point nine dat country for sure. 724 00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,640 Speaker 1: Last shore you did around the house, did the dishes 725 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:34,800 Speaker 1: this morning, and uh your go to take out Alice Pizza. 726 00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,040 Speaker 1: When you tell people that you had to do the 727 00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:42,399 Speaker 1: Ozone podcast, what are you gonna tell I'm gonna say 728 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:48,600 Speaker 1: that I enjoyed every minute of it, good lie. Uh, 729 00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,040 Speaker 1: we appreciate it as always and I do look forward 730 00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,640 Speaker 1: to seeing any buddy. Thank you. I appreciate you having 731 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:55,600 Speaker 1: me on all right. Well that did for the Ozone 732 00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,360 Speaker 1: podcast when I thank Joe Fortnado for putting all this together, 733 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,400 Speaker 1: Thank Dave Mechanis for being days. I appreciate everybody to 734 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:02,640 Speaker 1: listen and hope it didn't stop