Speaker 1: Look, oh, I see you my own look over there
Speaker 1: is that culture. Yes, wow, lost culture, lost culturistas calling
Speaker 1: set the scene.
Speaker 2: Go ahead the scene three hundred degrees.
Speaker 1: Is that from Party by Beyonce? I believe.
Speaker 2: So that's Andre three thousands verse.
Speaker 1: Don't do this where you sort of I say one
Speaker 1: thing and you know what I'm talking about, and you
Speaker 1: should to go the other way. You know what I want.
Speaker 2: I just gave mat a tour of my apartments homeowner, optimal,
Speaker 2: homo optimal operative. Yeah, I guess that was yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: that was the thing. I know what you mean. And
Speaker 2: then you don't know your words, but you know your heart.
Speaker 1: Someone came up to me on the plane the other
Speaker 1: day and they tapped me on the shoulder and said,
Speaker 1: I don't know my words, but I do know my heart.
Speaker 1: And I said, that needs to make a comeback.
Speaker 2: You pierced through the soul of society America the world
Speaker 2: three big ones, Society America in the world. That's called
Speaker 2: a triple crown.
Speaker 1: When you pierce society America in the world, it is
Speaker 1: called a triple crown. And that's actually a real culture number.
Speaker 1: Remind me fifty two when you hear the society, America
Speaker 1: and the world.
Speaker 2: It's called it a triple crown. And you did that
Speaker 2: when you uttered those words, I truly did. You know
Speaker 2: what else has earned the triple crown?
Speaker 1: And one of my favorite decorative elements about your home
Speaker 1: today is I walked in and on the television is
Speaker 1: the face of Bradley Jackson.
Speaker 2: Was the pause frame of Bradley Jackson on my television?
Speaker 2: And you call that a decorative element. In I think
Speaker 2: it's a decorative element. It's like a painting, like when
Speaker 2: you come in and you've screwed. You have paintings in
Speaker 2: my home, as you can see. But I said it
Speaker 2: wasn't my favorite thing about the house. I see my
Speaker 2: favorite thing about the house. And something I think you
Speaker 2: should think about keeping all the time is Bradley.
Speaker 1: Just pause it on Bradley Jackson's face on morning show
Speaker 1: and just have that being on your TV because and
Speaker 1: this is actually a tip for everyone at home, you
Speaker 1: can use your TV as a painting. That's true. If
Speaker 1: you pause it in the right if you pause it.
Speaker 2: In the right place, you can use your TV as
Speaker 2: a painting. That is very true. But it's no culture
Speaker 2: Number five.
Speaker 1: If you use your TV as a painting if you
Speaker 1: pose it in the right place place.
Speaker 2: I am in the middle of finishing this last week's
Speaker 2: episode of The Morning Show, and I'm realizing that we
Speaker 2: have not seen Chris in this episode. And I'm just
Speaker 2: now realizing. Is The Morning Show kind of like SNL
Speaker 2: where the cast is so big that you're you might
Speaker 2: not see your favorite character on any given episode.
Speaker 1: Yeah, answer, yes, yes. I also think that Chris existed
Speaker 1: just to be in that one race Plotlar that is,
Speaker 1: which ended at episode four. I guess, yeah, I have
Speaker 1: to imagine that, like probably they wanted to do more
Speaker 1: with the character, and then I guess because there are
Speaker 1: so many people on this show. Because it can't be
Speaker 1: said enough, the show employs some of the highest paid,
Speaker 1: highest paid people in the world each.
Speaker 2: Episode, on top of production costs. You pay money to
Speaker 2: shoot the thing and to you know, get the locations whatever,
Speaker 2: get the nice cameras, get the costumes, whatever. And then
Speaker 2: all told, these actors are getting paid like one hundred
Speaker 2: million dollars.
Speaker 1: Well I believe it's it at least started two million
Speaker 1: in episode for a recent Jen. Oh, by the way,
Speaker 1: it can't be overstated. Every single time they have a
Speaker 1: scene together. In this season of The Morning Show, the
Speaker 1: third graders have killed it. The energy between them is,
Speaker 1: oh my god, Hi, well this is what I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do this. It's so good to see you, hey, thanks
Speaker 1: for always being my friend. Likewise, girl gotta go.
Speaker 2: Every scene is I'm convinced that it's like Christopher Guest style,
Speaker 2: where the actors are like told what happens in the
Speaker 2: scene and then they're like go, you know, like just
Speaker 2: make it your own, like literally, just in this episode
Speaker 2: they go to the summit with Bradley goes with her
Speaker 2: brother who was at the insurrection, Yes, who comes to
Speaker 2: visit town with his new wife and baby. He's turned
Speaker 2: his life around from being a drug addict, which I'm
Speaker 2: not saying it's not, but like within a year has
Speaker 2: completely turned like I can't even land a decent date
Speaker 2: once every quarter, and this man has, this insurrectionist is
Speaker 2: married with a family. Now this privilege is showing, well, whatever,
Speaker 2: that's not what I'm first of all, I'm saying it's
Speaker 2: very between the lines.
Speaker 1: His privilege is showing. I'm sure, sure, show tip it
Speaker 1: your privilege. Who seems like a king and he's one
Speaker 1: of the most talented actors.
Speaker 2: Talented or handsome and so lucky. I mean he and
Speaker 2: Sarah burrellis. That is a great couple. That is a
Speaker 2: like low key power. Forget about Travis and Taylor. That's
Speaker 2: the couple that I really am like, I need to
Speaker 2: know everything Bowen said. Forget now that's trailer swelseee, which
Speaker 2: is what I'm calling Baylor swell.
Speaker 1: See.
Speaker 2: Now, I'm just saying, there's this scene where they go
Speaker 2: to the summer at that place where you go, and
Speaker 2: it's an amazing view. The wife is has a stroller, goes,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go to the bathroom, she goes away Reese's
Speaker 2: Bradley goes to her brother.
Speaker 1: I love her. She's amazing. I love her. She's amazing.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. And then he's like, I'm confessing to
Speaker 1: be getting myself in. She goes, what you can't do that?
Speaker 1: Because just to catch you all up, he's an insurrectionist.
Speaker 1: By the way, so was Bradley Jackson. Because I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: but can you went undercover? Can you walk me through this? So?
Speaker 2: How was she not in trouble right for being there,
Speaker 2: for literally.
Speaker 1: Being amongst the insurrectionists and literally being in the capitol
Speaker 1: like that? Essentially means that you also.
Speaker 2: I think in this world, in the third greater world
Speaker 2: of the Morning show, being a journalist means you were
Speaker 2: above the law.
Speaker 1: Okay, great, do you know what I mean? And now
Speaker 1: I don't have any more questions.
Speaker 2: It's like, no one's above the law, I guess in theory,
Speaker 2: but journalists are.
Speaker 1: In the theory.
Speaker 2: I mean, Well, insurrection Wautch is not moving at all.
Speaker 2: We've not gone any news.
Speaker 1: We've got no news. Do you still think we got
Speaker 1: we said insurrection watch, we of course are at all.
Speaker 1: Watch now indictment, Well, we got them like so many
Speaker 1: times that I don't know if we still got them.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, like when you got them four times,
Speaker 1: it's like sort of loses power. That's what That's what
Speaker 1: they're counting on.
Speaker 2: That's what do OJ should have known?
Speaker 1: I know, I know. Anyway, back to real world issues,
Speaker 1: which is what's going on on more television show. So
Speaker 1: if you don't know, now you know Bradley Jackson was
Speaker 1: at the insurrection documenting and right in front of her
Speaker 1: assaulting a police officer is her own brother, who we
Speaker 1: know she has had a difficult relationship to say the least.
Speaker 1: Her mother dies of COVID. We have to imagine that
Speaker 1: that like turns her idiot brother into like even more
Speaker 1: of a raging freak. He goes to the insurrection as
Speaker 1: a participant assault a police officer. She gets it on video,
Speaker 1: goes back to work, goes to her photos app on
Speaker 1: her mac Os computer, deletes it from her photos. We
Speaker 1: need to portray this more accurately in film and television.
Speaker 1: We need to have seen her go to her deleted
Speaker 1: files and delete for good. Which also it still lives
Speaker 1: in the cloud even if he deleted it from the track,
Speaker 1: which I think Bradley Jackson would and should know. But
Speaker 1: I feel like this show I'm saying one hundred percent, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree with you one hundred percent. I will say
Speaker 1: it's sort of like your thing about how texting on
Speaker 1: television should look like real texting, in that you know
Speaker 1: it's not that simple, girl Like, they're not going to
Speaker 1: be doing all these setups right. The third graders know
Speaker 1: that it's enough for the audience to see a video
Speaker 1: getting deleted to know that she is morally corrupt.
Speaker 2: They are three seasons in. They know how to do this.
Speaker 1: And can I say I have no notes, I don't
Speaker 1: want them to change a thing. I want them to
Speaker 1: keep going because in this next episode, so basically Billy
Speaker 1: crud up, he finds out.
Speaker 2: That she's the this really damning footage.
Speaker 1: And basically, now Bradley, who's been all about journalistic integrity,
Speaker 1: when she is put to the test, she fails her
Speaker 1: own test. She is now she could go to prison
Speaker 1: for doing this. So basically he covers it up. And
Speaker 1: now we're at where we're at, and the brother comes
Speaker 1: in and says, I'm gonna confess, and she goes, are
Speaker 1: you fucking an idiot? And she's like, what have I
Speaker 1: done for you? And she's like screaming, And then she
Speaker 1: has a scene with Jennifer Enison where Jennifer Andison's like, well,
Speaker 1: you know that's what we do. We hold people to account,
Speaker 1: and Brady Jackson goes, right, right, of course, that's what
Speaker 1: we do. And then Jennifer, anyway, I gotta go, big
Speaker 1: interview happening, and so love you girl. I'm Jennifer. You're wreathe.
Speaker 2: You are you want to be Reethe?
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, you are Jennifer. When I look around
Speaker 1: this apartment.
Speaker 2: Girl, you're Jennifer is an Alex Levy apartment. Can I say,
Speaker 2: I'm so confused at that character at what for?
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, you're confused with the characters on the
Speaker 1: Morning Show.
Speaker 2: What I had to say out loud just to make
Speaker 2: it make sense in my brain was she goes to
Speaker 2: like has a day on Coney Island with John Hamm's character,
Speaker 2: who is this like billionaire tech oligarchy guy, and they
Speaker 2: have an amazing kind of pseudo date where like they
Speaker 2: really charm each other. She like gets him on a
Speaker 2: helicopter to the Hampton's. It's this big moment.
Speaker 1: You would think that she likes the guy, and then
Speaker 1: the next episode she's like grilling him at the All
Speaker 1: hands meaning yes and in public in front everyone, like
Speaker 1: trying to like embarrass him. I'm like, it makes no sense.
Speaker 1: Why Why? Because people are complicated bo okay, and characters
Speaker 1: don't make sense and humans don't make sense okay, and
Speaker 1: the Morning Show knows that more than anyone. That's why
Speaker 1: I love these girls writing the show, because they know
Speaker 1: the show like people should make absolutely no sense.
Speaker 2: Did we establish that the third grade got held back
Speaker 2: and have been in the third grade for three years
Speaker 2: in a row now because they never quote unquote graduated
Speaker 2: to the fourth grade.
Speaker 1: They're montessory.
Speaker 2: I do you understand like that they're knitting, they're potting plants,
Speaker 2: they're writing TV.
Speaker 1: I mean they're third graders. Like it's more of a
Speaker 1: spiritual thing, yeah, and less about like continuing to educate,
Speaker 1: to educate and like moving forward in terms of like
Speaker 1: nothing about this is linear, Like nothing about this takes
Speaker 1: place in time and space. And I'm talking about the
Speaker 1: Morning Show and the existence the third graders.
Speaker 2: Oh, I see, I see.
Speaker 1: So basically what I want to say is you're at
Speaker 1: a point in this most recent episode where you have
Speaker 1: not And I came in and I'm like, have they
Speaker 1: fucked yet? Right? Spoiler alert? I am talking about John
Speaker 1: Hamm and Jennifer Aniston. They fuck in the episode, and.
Speaker 2: Which as an audience member, you're like, I did want
Speaker 2: to see that?
Speaker 1: And boy do you?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: They it's like a JJ Abrams sort of like very
Speaker 1: interesting lighting the position that they find them in post
Speaker 1: coitally in the Morning I have to explain. Okay, So,
Speaker 1: and let me know, straight couples, if you ever find
Speaker 1: yourself in this body position after fucking John Hamm is
Speaker 1: laying on his belly, Okay, Jennifer Aniston is nude on
Speaker 1: top of him. I can only describe their position as
Speaker 1: her pussy is on his butt like he's giving bottom,
Speaker 1: but is her back on his back or is her
Speaker 1: tits are on his back? Pussy's on his butt, and
Speaker 1: her leg is sort of wrapped around his leg to
Speaker 1: the point where I'm like, does this happen? Do women
Speaker 1: lay on top? Do women top men?
Speaker 2: I think this happens much more often than you think.
Speaker 2: I think it's a cat writing a tortoise. I think
Speaker 2: it's that. I think it's yeah, we see riding the shell.
Speaker 1: You know. I think that what John Hamm is trying
Speaker 1: to do is he's trying to make people forget his
Speaker 1: big old penis, because remember how he's big old penis.
Speaker 1: He's always like whenever anyone talks about it in the
Speaker 1: media or like and whenever he's like pushed on the
Speaker 1: size of his penis, which is swinging around all the time.
Speaker 2: I know, it's like, well, then you're the one who's
Speaker 2: swinging it. And it's also like penis shame comes from
Speaker 2: both sides, you know what I mean. And it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: I didn't realize.
Speaker 1: I think that that went into conversations that I all
Speaker 1: I can say is the body position that they're in
Speaker 1: was something that was just had a four hour meeting. Yeh.
Speaker 1: It had to go through many different departments in hands. Ultimately,
Speaker 1: I'm sure that there was like.
Speaker 2: The blocking rehearsal was two days.
Speaker 1: Absolutely this is and then they had to get the
Speaker 1: lighting right, and they had to get the lighting.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's like can you see the bulge
Speaker 2: from when I'm lying face down? Can you see?
Speaker 1: It's more about her silhouette really, because they like pan
Speaker 1: over her draped leg to the point where like they're
Speaker 1: fully nude and you see like the curve of her
Speaker 1: butt and then it goes around and like he by
Speaker 1: the way, I can't even I can't explain he's wearing
Speaker 1: this net which I couldn't get.
Speaker 2: Saw the necklace that you posted and.
Speaker 1: Then I posted it on Instagram and then I was
Speaker 1: informed that as a Saint Christopher necklace, which is something
Speaker 1: that surfers were, and I was like, I couldn't make
Speaker 1: it clear. I get it so much that this is
Speaker 1: obviously something surfers do. I just didn't know it was
Speaker 1: that big of a deal. Unfortunately, now I do have
Speaker 1: to buy that and probably be him in a wetsuit
Speaker 1: with that necklace for Halloween.
Speaker 2: Oh. I thought you would say you're gonna start surfing,
Speaker 2: and I thought, no, there's no need.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: No man, why would.
Speaker 1: You do that? Is in my future?
Speaker 2: There are sharks in the water.
Speaker 1: Oh that's what I'm not going in there. We're on
Speaker 1: the same page. No, no way, I'm not going in
Speaker 1: the ocean.
Speaker 2: The surfing community is really really shaken right now because
Speaker 2: they're like, what do we do about the sharks?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's never been more sharks. And you
Speaker 1: know that. We were in Fine Rail last time we
Speaker 1: saw a shark. We talked about this.
Speaker 2: We talked about by the way, we called this man
Speaker 2: insane and hung yeah, and he was just being heroic. Ah.
Speaker 1: He was screaming at the ocean, running down the beach
Speaker 1: and his genus was huge, and he was warning us
Speaker 1: of that is not relevant what his dick size. I
Speaker 1: think that would be a compliment. And okay, can I
Speaker 1: just say something to John Ham, to this guy on
Speaker 1: the beach who was screaming shark, I'm so sorry that
Speaker 1: you guys feel upset that people can see how big
Speaker 1: your dicks are. When you're nude on the beach and
Speaker 1: when you are not wearing underwear in like slacks and
Speaker 1: like you're swinging it around like you are.
Speaker 2: It's going to get back to people. It's a triple crown.
Speaker 2: You're piercing Society America in the world exactly. This episode
Speaker 2: is called the Triple Crown. The Triple Crown colon Society America.
Speaker 1: The Triple Crown call in Society of America and the
Speaker 1: World is his title of its title of up And
Speaker 1: people are gonna see that title of app and be like,
Speaker 1: oh wow, they're on their NPR shit this time, and
Speaker 1: then they're gonna click play, and then it really.
Speaker 2: Couldn't be less. No, it couldn't be less.
Speaker 1: But anyway, Greta Lee is really becoming like a huge
Speaker 1: part of the show. There's a scene where she's standing
Speaker 1: outside and she's sort of fearbiously nervously smoking weed. I'm like,
Speaker 1: that's me watching this show. I thought of you when
Speaker 1: I saw Gretta Lee because she was picking at her fingernails,
Speaker 1: and I went, that is some Matt Rogers behavior. She
Speaker 1: was nervously picking at her fingernails until blood and I went.
Speaker 2: I know, look the thumb. I don't think we've told
Speaker 2: him about it. I saw your lucky thumb on FaceTime yesterday.
Speaker 2: It's gotten worse. I need to sit you down. This
Speaker 2: is an intervention. I'm dead ass. You need to stop.
Speaker 1: I actually haven't touched it in a while. So everyone,
Speaker 1: I have a lucky thumb, no which I asked bowing
Speaker 1: to rub sometimes for luck, trying to help him, and
Speaker 1: he persecutes me. Whatever. I'm just saying, how did the
Speaker 1: lucky thumb become what it is? I think from stress,
Speaker 1: I think all year, from digging your teeth into the
Speaker 1: caratin the shell of the nail. So how would you
Speaker 1: describe the texture feel the lucky Just touch it? Please,
Speaker 1: please touch the thumb so I look so touch it,
Speaker 1: to touch it and explain to the reader. Is what
Speaker 1: it feels like.
Speaker 2: Out there, readers, It's the Grand Canyon. There is a deep,
Speaker 2: deep canyon on the bed of the nail that then
Speaker 2: it's like a cliff that goes down and then comes
Speaker 2: back up.
Speaker 1: But now it's at this weird angle. It's so it's
Speaker 1: really weird, like a picture of it. For that, we'll
Speaker 1: close this to socials. Is this good? Good? God? I
Speaker 1: got it? I just want to make sure it's a
Speaker 1: good glamour shot of my lucky thumb. Now, you haven't
Speaker 1: touched it in a while. No, I haven't been biting
Speaker 1: it because don't even touch it. What am I supposed
Speaker 1: to do? Bowing?
Speaker 2: Gretee picks at her nails until they bleep. That that's
Speaker 2: how you were.
Speaker 1: Gonna say you thought of me when you saw grete
Speaker 1: Lee and past lives. I did think of you. I did.
Speaker 1: You were like, this is stunning, acting like my sister.
Speaker 2: Not no, not no, I said, I said, my sister
Speaker 2: can deliver a grounded, bilingual performance like that.
Speaker 1: First of all, I don't pick at my thumb. I
Speaker 1: nervously bite my thumb. I was doing it because I
Speaker 1: have been stressed. Now because I have now everyone may
Speaker 1: know I am releasing an album, and I've been you know.
Speaker 2: I've been working so hard.
Speaker 1: It was stressful a couple of months. They're recording and
Speaker 1: getting everything together. It's been a big project, and my
Speaker 1: thumb fell by the wayside. That is the price to pay,
Speaker 1: I guess. Yeah, when you can come see My Lucky
Speaker 1: Thumb live, if you come, buy tickets, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: to me on tour. I think there, Matt Rodgers Official
Speaker 1: dot com. Get your ticket. They are going fast, well,
Speaker 1: they could be going faster, so that's why we're saying
Speaker 1: to get them a couple of months. We have time.
Speaker 2: I think the Lucky Thumb can be a new Christmas classic,
Speaker 2: a new Christmas.
Speaker 1: Image, likely waiting for Sanna gnawing on my lucky thumb.
Speaker 2: Yes, the holiday spirit is stressing you out so much
Speaker 2: that you get a lucky.
Speaker 1: Thum that actually is good. Like so many gifts to buy,
Speaker 1: so many meals, to make, so many family to see.
Speaker 1: I've been gnawing on my thumb. And the chorus is like,
Speaker 1: I've been chewing on my thumb so hard. I've been
Speaker 1: waiting for Santa Claus.
Speaker 2: God, it's so it's so crazy. He just is able
Speaker 2: to come up with like hooks like that, with the
Speaker 2: with the meter, with the way that the syllables land. Now,
Speaker 2: I think the Lucky Thumb, if the fans, if the readers,
Speaker 2: Katie public is final as we go see your shows, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think if they show up with the Lucky thumb,
Speaker 2: it's like your friendship bracelet. You know what I mean exactly.
Speaker 2: Speaking of friendship bracelets, you've both seen the Aerostour film.
Speaker 1: We both have seen the Aerostore from very different settings.
Speaker 1: I would say, yes, you sort of went by yourself
Speaker 1: on a Thursday.
Speaker 2: Night, Wednesday night, I see Taylor is releasing tickets a
Speaker 2: day before the actual premiere, which I must imagine upset
Speaker 2: some Swifties who wanted to say that they were the
Speaker 2: first ones to see it. And you know, I.
Speaker 1: Think they also went to great lengths to like plan
Speaker 1: their weekend around it and thought it was more limited
Speaker 1: than I guess it was gonna be.
Speaker 2: But you know what, hey, I must to thank Taylor
Speaker 2: for doing that. Yeah, because I was not quick to
Speaker 2: buy the original release of tickets, and then I tried
Speaker 2: to get some the other day earlier last week and
Speaker 2: saw that it's all, I mean, every theater sold out
Speaker 2: in New York for the next two and a half weeks.
Speaker 2: I said, Okay, guess I gotta wait till November and
Speaker 2: then she releases these tickets. I bought two pairs of
Speaker 2: tickets for two showtimes seven thirty and then nine forty
Speaker 2: five didn't get out of work until nine o'clock till
Speaker 2: nine fifteen.
Speaker 1: So you really helped the opening weekend box office.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I bought quadrupled the amount of tickets that I
Speaker 2: ended up using because they because guess what, guys, I
Speaker 2: saw it by myself in a theater that was not
Speaker 2: packed because it was a late, late show. But there
Speaker 2: were about like what thirty of us there and getting
Speaker 2: up and singing and dancing. See, the spirit did not
Speaker 2: move us. I see, I had my own road, and
Speaker 2: it was like a big theater where you know, seats
Speaker 2: could recline. I could not see anybody else, but it
Speaker 2: seemed like other people in the rows above me. No
Speaker 2: one was below me, and the rows above me we're
Speaker 2: having fun cheering. I was by myself in my own row.
Speaker 2: No one could see me. This is purely for myself.
Speaker 2: Was pumping my fist during the reputation beat.
Speaker 1: Can we say yes? The reputation era was one the
Speaker 1: best part. Yep, Look what You Made Me Do went
Speaker 1: off so hard the way that that any hater of
Speaker 1: that song. And I'm just gonna be honest myself included
Speaker 1: in the very beginning of course, too, we were not
Speaker 1: Look What You Made Me Do? Original OG supporters. In fact,
Speaker 1: we felt confused.
Speaker 2: We felt we always loved the bridge, We always.
Speaker 1: Loved fat dreams. I look now, I think it's one
Speaker 1: of the great songs. I think it's one of the
Speaker 1: great standards. It is by far the highlight of such
Speaker 1: an incredible concert and film. Yeah, and I would say Evermore.
Speaker 1: Inter reputation that whole section. She really capital d capital
Speaker 1: t did.
Speaker 2: That for sure. I think reputation fucking jolts you back
Speaker 2: into because I was late, I had a long day.
Speaker 2: I was getting a little droopy.
Speaker 1: I during Evermore.
Speaker 2: During Evermore, not that I don't love and adore Evermore,
Speaker 2: but then reputation, that fucking these title treatments for each
Speaker 2: of the eras.
Speaker 1: The snake going through the crowd.
Speaker 2: I was like, I have never seen that was like
Speaker 2: the first time I saw The Titanic on film, Sink
Speaker 2: sink was the snake coming out of the fucking screen.
Speaker 2: I went, damn, unreal, unreal and listen. Loved the secret songs. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you can tell she loves you can tell she loves
Speaker 2: reputation and folklore. Folklore I think took the longest eight up.
Speaker 2: The most time.
Speaker 1: I was talking to Dart and Patrick about like what
Speaker 1: we would cut if we absolutely had to. And it's
Speaker 1: so interesting because watching the actual error stour and thinking
Speaker 1: what I would cut while in the concert is so
Speaker 1: different than the film. What I would cut from the
Speaker 1: film like tolerated, like on that show four times and
Speaker 1: so tolerated. Okay, let's go oh really yeah, And then
Speaker 1: she said Broadway in the erastour. What I was most
Speaker 1: taken by in the whole time is how calm and
Speaker 1: present she used. Because when you're seeing the concert, the
Speaker 1: energy in the stadium, as I'm sure many of you know,
Speaker 1: is so insane that for her to like even find
Speaker 1: the camera and remain present and like be calm was
Speaker 1: so just wild to see.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she is really plugged in. She is having fun.
Speaker 2: I think she has leaned into this thing where it's
Speaker 2: like she's just gonna be fun and literal and like
Speaker 2: she has to play to the fucking nosebleeds, you know.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so it's like, oh, be way, she's like
Speaker 2: tapping her, She's like story pirates. She's doing story pirates.
Speaker 2: And that's what we're taught in parts is you gotta
Speaker 2: play to the back round.
Speaker 1: Like big actions, big objectives, must be so clear. You're
Speaker 1: making me feel like I'm the man. Get the typewriters out,
Speaker 1: get the desks, Okay, I'm gonna say this bravely. Let
Speaker 1: me tell you something. I heard that she cut Wildest
Speaker 1: Dreams from the movie, and I text bowing two words
Speaker 1: hate her, hate her. She knows what she did. She
Speaker 1: disrespected a lot of people with that decision. If you
Speaker 1: saw her in person, would you say that I said,
Speaker 1: I hate you. No, I wouldn't even I wouldn't even
Speaker 1: say it to her. I would go up to Travis
Speaker 1: and I point to her and I'd say hate her,
Speaker 1: hate her, and she'd laugh. Did you know they were coming? No,
Speaker 1: they just can't. They just can't came. And it was
Speaker 1: a dress rehearsal. It's like, great, that was fun.
Speaker 2: I'm in my room getting stuff, you know, tiding up
Speaker 2: my room. I had people watching for my dressing room
Speaker 2: for the air show. I walk outside it, go to
Speaker 2: my makeup chair. I see two people talking to two
Speaker 2: tall people.
Speaker 1: You said, tallest people in the world, in the world,
Speaker 1: by the way, it's one thing to see them individually
Speaker 1: many times.
Speaker 2: But it's purefol multiplier. It's like I see them together.
Speaker 2: I go, oh, no, I'm in the redwood for us. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm in the redwood for us.
Speaker 1: Might as well have been ever more staging. It might
Speaker 1: as well have the trees were so tall. Folklore staging.
Speaker 1: No Mama, no mama. The ever more staging is the
Speaker 1: tree or the.
Speaker 2: Staging, but the folklore album cover.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that we just missed each other there,
Speaker 1: But we're really saying the same thing. And tall trees,
Speaker 1: tall tree paint, Tree Pain is tall. I mean, here's
Speaker 1: the thing. She has to stand in the industry.
Speaker 2: She's a giant, a titan of this industry. She should
Speaker 2: be tall.
Speaker 1: Yeah. What you're saying is you're like Meryl Streep and
Speaker 1: big little lives. You don't trust small people.
Speaker 2: We are on the Hunter Harris bandwagon, where we are
Speaker 2: saying Amy Adams, please do the Tree Paid biopic.
Speaker 1: You must.
Speaker 2: She is destined for that. That's the oscar. She's getting
Speaker 2: the oscar for the Tree Pain biopic. Country Harris has
Speaker 2: been writing about this on her step stack for years.
Speaker 1: This is what it needs to be. And I haven't
Speaker 1: read this substack, so I don't know exactly what planning.
Speaker 1: And I think anyone should write this. It should h her.
Speaker 1: But this is my pitch. I think the Tree Pain
Speaker 1: biopic should be like the two Hours after Kim and
Speaker 1: Kanye first, what they did. I want to see like
Speaker 1: real time Taylor. Yeah, I want to see real time
Speaker 1: pr handling. I want to see ultimately at the end
Speaker 1: of the movie. It should be shot like zero dark thirty,
Speaker 1: And I want to see ultimately at the end of
Speaker 1: the movie. Remember when zero Dark thirty, when Jessica Chesting
Speaker 1: gets on the plane and she finally has a moment
Speaker 1: where she can break down and sob oh my, zero
Speaker 1: dark thirty not on top of mind for you.
Speaker 2: Right, another iconic Redhead film.
Speaker 1: Exactly, Yes. And also, Jessica is going to be mad
Speaker 1: that we didn't pitch her for It's Amy.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Jessica, you've you You're fine.
Speaker 1: She's literally fine. You've You've done a lot. You don't
Speaker 1: need this. Yeah. What is she doing right now? She's
Speaker 1: doing something like that that Tim Tammy thing. What Tim Tammy,
Speaker 1: the Timmy Whynette. Yeah, the Timmy Wynette thing, Jessica Chastain
Speaker 1: is what we're saying is you're busy, George and Tammy.
Speaker 1: I don't know why I said, Tim, Well, that's like
Speaker 1: last year, George and Tammy. I forget what she's doing.
Speaker 1: But she is doing something right now, and Jessica Chastain
Speaker 1: is kind of always doing something. It's actually really told
Speaker 1: your number ninety nine. Jessica Chastain is kind of always
Speaker 1: doing something.
Speaker 2: Can I say what the fact that I thought George
Speaker 2: and Tammy was this year? I'm so out of the
Speaker 2: loop with Jessica. It's hard to find things sometimes she's
Speaker 2: not triple crowning. Can I say this isn't my I
Speaker 2: don't think so, honey. Okay, but I don't think so
Speaker 2: honey that they just took I love that.
Speaker 1: For you like off you can't watch it. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: I've always like, I've always been that kind of person
Speaker 1: that's like, oh no, that would feel so bad to
Speaker 1: be in one of the things that they just take
Speaker 1: off streaming.
Speaker 2: We're not. No one's immune. I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1: I'm scared for Fire Island.
Speaker 2: Like no, I'm really scared for Fire Island to be honest.
Speaker 1: What's gonna happen?
Speaker 2: Like I mean, I think the fact that it's gotten
Speaker 2: like some awards and nominations is a good sign, and
Speaker 2: the fact that it's searchlight is good. But I'm also like, please, please,
Speaker 2: please please please at least put this on like airplanes.
Speaker 2: That's my thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was someone. There was someone out there who
Speaker 1: was like, I fought to get the physical copy of
Speaker 1: my thing because I don't trust the streamers. Now I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, yeah, I guess that is important booster.
Speaker 1: Not to trigger anybody. Also, not a scab. Get it
Speaker 1: off this topic. Yeah, anyway, what were we talking about
Speaker 1: tree Pain biopic? Oh? It should be the two hours
Speaker 1: after the Kim and Kanye thing, and we should see
Speaker 1: tree Pain jump into action and handle shit. And at
Speaker 1: the end, I believe she has a moment to herself,
Speaker 1: maybe in a car or a closet, which is just
Speaker 1: three uninterrupted minutes of her finally just like having a
Speaker 1: release because she has had to be so strong as
Speaker 1: Taylor Schof's publicist, and Amy would finally win the Oscar.
Speaker 2: Amily would win the Oscar. Do you think it's a
Speaker 2: thing where we never see Taylor in the film.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we never see her.
Speaker 2: I mean it really selfishly pitch something.
Speaker 1: You want to be in it.
Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing. I think we should be in it.
Speaker 1: I think we.
Speaker 2: Should be in it because I agree, but I think
Speaker 2: we should be in it in this way playing ourselves.
Speaker 1: Fuck.
Speaker 2: I think the movie becomes a backdoor pilot for the
Speaker 2: Matt and Bowen biopic television show. I know it's a movie,
Speaker 2: but the movie is the back door for the show,
Speaker 2: and it ends the movie ends slash. The show starts
Speaker 2: with the phone call that Tree and I had while
Speaker 2: I was laying over in the Madrid airport passing hot
Speaker 2: Spanish guy after hot Spanish guy. I fucking each one
Speaker 2: of them them, I fucking mee. Yeah, I was like,
Speaker 2: this is Spanish man, what is going on? I mean,
Speaker 2: while I'm on the phone with Tree Paine discussing the
Speaker 2: particulars and the contract obligations of would Taylor be interested
Speaker 2: in sending a video to the Culture Awards?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And Tree Pain was powerful professional, Miss Pain was pain.
Speaker 2: And then the show starts with the Culture Awards You.
Speaker 1: And I waving, waving, and then we see finally her
Speaker 1: have three moments of a breakdown because she has had
Speaker 1: to be so strong in dealing with you on the phone.
Speaker 1: She's had to Bowen has been such a nightmare on
Speaker 1: the phone. It's been Bowen is he's so difficult to
Speaker 1: deal with him in Hollywood since he's become you know,
Speaker 1: you know, Big Bowen, since he's since he's become the legend.
Speaker 1: I was proud of you doing Columbus. Your Italian accent
Speaker 1: was giving me. What was it giving?
Speaker 2: Me? Said, yeah, which I loved.
Speaker 1: It was fun. I worked hard on it. And yet
Speaker 1: some people you work hard all the time, that was
Speaker 1: never in doubt.
Speaker 2: Some people who you know, do this. The Sunday morning
Speaker 2: write ups were not as impressed, and I went, oh,
Speaker 2: that's fine.
Speaker 1: You know what.
Speaker 2: I realized, this is me being real and people can
Speaker 2: rollerize at this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's fun to like root for me anymore.
Speaker 2: And it's and it's okay. I don't think that's true.
Speaker 2: I kind of you think when you roll out.
Speaker 1: There and make an update, they're like, oh, here we go.
Speaker 2: I think this one I'm gonna say in the moment,
Speaker 2: oh this is so fun, I'm so lucky.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: And then I think, once it kind of passes through
Speaker 2: the internet thing, it's like, oh, let's that's not.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you something on the internet not good.
Speaker 1: It's it's pretty bad. And also I remember like when
Speaker 1: you first got on and like people were like there
Speaker 1: was just like the troll thing, and you would come
Speaker 1: to me and be like the trolls online are so mean.
Speaker 1: They're saw me and they're so mean. I finally got
Speaker 1: like a little taste of it because whenever I go
Speaker 1: on watch it Happens live.
Speaker 2: Oh, these people are they are. It's it's like these
Speaker 2: people are like the scorched scum on steel of the soul.
Speaker 1: Like troll culture is like so real still, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is with everything going on in the goddamn world,
Speaker 1: Like this is what this is what people get so
Speaker 1: deep about. I'm like some gig guys spouting off on
Speaker 1: watch what happens anyways. It's just no nuanced conversations on
Speaker 1: the internet, I think, as we can.
Speaker 2: See of course, anyway, I didn't need to masturbate in
Speaker 2: front of everybody.
Speaker 1: What you don't know is that bell what is that
Speaker 1: his dick at his hand in front of me for
Speaker 1: the last thirty five minutes and I said, bowen, this
Speaker 1: doesn't feel appropriate to me. And this is like I said,
Speaker 1: I'm in my I'm in my own home. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I said, this is what I need hr on this podcast.
Speaker 1: I should have them on speed dial. Yes, Well, did
Speaker 1: I tell you I met something strack the other night?
Speaker 1: You did? And can you can we know what she said. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we can know what she said.
Speaker 2: I basically I know what she said, but I want
Speaker 2: I want everyone to know it.
Speaker 1: No, So we ran into each other at this restaurant
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles and I went up to her and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, my god, Hi. She said, I
Speaker 1: feel like I know you, and I was like, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's so great to meet you. You're my favorite. And
Speaker 1: she goes, well, don't go that far. That is I
Speaker 1: loved it, and then walked away. And I was like,
Speaker 1: you are my favorite and she was like I don't know.
Speaker 1: And I was like you and she was like running away.
Speaker 1: I believe she might have been on a date. She
Speaker 1: was with a gentleman.
Speaker 2: That makes me very happy to hear.
Speaker 1: Well. I was debating whether or not to go up
Speaker 1: to her, and Greta and Ayb were like, you should
Speaker 1: go up to her. If she's on a date. This
Speaker 1: will make her like look cool, you know, et cetera. Oh,
Speaker 1: that's great, that's great. And I bet she felt really
Speaker 1: good about it. I mean, I don't know how she felt.
Speaker 1: She got either shy or incredibly furious that I said
Speaker 1: to her, you're my favorite, or was she being fa
Speaker 1: humble prechance, perchance to dream to dream.
Speaker 2: Speaking of housewives, did you watch Rone last night?
Speaker 1: So I have to say something about Ronie, which is
Speaker 1: that I think it's gotten really good towards the end
Speaker 1: of the season, and I'm sad to see a villains
Speaker 1: so clearly emerged, because I can tell this person did
Speaker 1: not think they were going to be this. This is
Speaker 1: it was really two.
Speaker 2: This is what we're all saying. Yes, Cian, Aaron, they're
Speaker 2: so fucking lame. You know.
Speaker 1: Here's what I think. I think that Cy what I
Speaker 1: get from her sometimes is like I think her energy
Speaker 1: and her face value. I think that she's a good person,
Speaker 1: and the essence of Si is cool. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: the essence of her is better than her behavior. Right,
Speaker 1: it doesn't really make sense to be like I don't care,
Speaker 1: like I'm better than this that like, and to really
Speaker 1: be so dismissive and then to have pretty much your
Speaker 1: entire storyline be that your head is all the way
Speaker 1: up Jessel's ass. And what I would say is that
Speaker 1: I think that the Internet is a little hard on.
Speaker 2: SI because I just don't I know, she's not making
Speaker 2: a great case for herself. I think it's actually quite
Speaker 2: it rarely happens, but it's quite evenly proportioned, you think,
Speaker 2: because I mean the storyline is her head's up Jessel's ass.
Speaker 2: Even to the finale, it's still about the snacks and
Speaker 2: the cheese and the food. I'm like, give it up,
Speaker 2: Jessel really won the season. I'll sugg the season walked
Speaker 2: away with it CI And I'm gonna say Brin. I
Speaker 2: know Brin's like the other favorite, but like both of
Speaker 2: their things, even with Brin's invitation, I mean, like, bring
Speaker 2: the person that you've had sex what they want to
Speaker 2: have sex with. I'm like, this is not me being
Speaker 2: prudish or sex negative. I'm like, it's everything that comes
Speaker 2: out of your mouth is about fucking boobs, dicks, whatever,
Speaker 2: what like. And then her whole thing about like settling
Speaker 2: down with the man, it's about like he needs to
Speaker 2: read the economist.
Speaker 1: I'm like, are you nineteen?
Speaker 2: I think she doesn't know what she wants right, and
Speaker 2: I can relate to that one thousand percent. But back
Speaker 2: to cy then nobody cares thing. It's like you're screaming
Speaker 2: at the most at the weirdest, craziest register about how
Speaker 2: much you you don't care. What did you say at
Speaker 2: one point in the episode, don't call me a.
Speaker 1: Mean girl, you fucking bitchy, Okay, don't call me a
Speaker 1: mean girl, you fucking bitch is kind of iconic. I
Speaker 1: will say I didn't like I did not like Povt
Speaker 1: calling bitch. I did not like Pavot in the last episode,
Speaker 1: being like she's bipolar. Pavit needs to sort of a
Speaker 1: lot of it down there. I understand, Like it can't
Speaker 1: feel good to like be the object of all this.
Speaker 1: It's just weird too, because I feel like Jessel and
Speaker 1: Povet are so obviously good. Yeah, I feel like they're
Speaker 1: actually a picture of a pretty good relationship. Like and
Speaker 1: the sex thing is it's just like that's like centering
Speaker 1: sex in a relationship in a way. That's just like
Speaker 1: I think says like you're saying much more about all
Speaker 1: of them than it does about JESSELA and Povitt, Right,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: I realized, Oh, the whole season has been like these
Speaker 2: two women, Aaron and Ci interrogating, examining, turning over every
Speaker 2: rock about the marriage, Jessel's background. Yeah, and I for
Speaker 2: why for why for what? For why for Who's for perchance?
Speaker 2: Perchance here's a question for you. Do you think a
Speaker 2: gen alliance wants to be on the show and be
Speaker 2: will return to the show. I think she'll return, And
Speaker 2: I think this is the most we've talked about Jenna
Speaker 2: Lions in a long time, and I think she likes that,
Speaker 2: And I don't blame her. I love that, you know,
Speaker 2: she wants to sell her eyelashers. She wants to explain
Speaker 2: why her teeth are all new, Like she like she
Speaker 2: has a platform to like tell people who she is,
Speaker 2: why she does what she does. I think she's come
Speaker 2: off very well.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I just feel like it's really interesting to see
Speaker 1: her like take this platform and like she's like, I'm
Speaker 1: going to do it on my own terms. And in
Speaker 1: that I both respect that because it's like, yeah, who
Speaker 1: says that you have to do housewives the way everyone
Speaker 1: else does housewives? At the same time, when Housewives is
Speaker 1: happening around you, you do have to kind of need
Speaker 1: to hate in it otherwise you're going to get left
Speaker 1: behind in the narrative.
Speaker 2: Totally.
Speaker 1: I just would like to see her play a little
Speaker 1: bit more.
Speaker 2: Do you think if Uba continues to date this man
Speaker 2: in Connecticut? I would be annoyed? If she did not,
Speaker 2: if she still kept him away from the.
Speaker 1: Show, Uba Uba, I think we will not see him
Speaker 1: kept over in the show.
Speaker 2: I think he'll be on the show. It's just early
Speaker 2: days and like, of course you don't bring him on there.
Speaker 1: She's moving in silence because because she knows, well, we
Speaker 1: see what happens when you make a mistake. The wolves
Speaker 1: and the sharks come out to hunt, to hunt, and
Speaker 1: they hunted, and then we saw that in the finale. Yeah, hunting,
Speaker 1: and guess what, that's a little bit what they're all
Speaker 1: there to do. They're there to hunt.
Speaker 2: Totally. Well, the SI having that meltdown, I'm like, you're
Speaker 2: just upset that you got caught. That was so obvious.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you were oct You said you would do one
Speaker 1: thing and did another, and it was on camera.
Speaker 2: The image that size trying to protect, the person that
Speaker 2: size trying to be on camera is not at all
Speaker 2: lined up with the person she actually is, and therefore
Speaker 2: she is now this villain where she banked on other
Speaker 2: women being the unfavorites.
Speaker 1: It's really hard to say. My thing is I'm cool
Speaker 1: and unbothered and you're screaming, and you're you're a screaming
Speaker 1: you know, you know, but like that's this is the thing,
Speaker 1: is like what I wish for, and I don't think
Speaker 1: I know that this is another unpopular opinion. I want
Speaker 1: to see everyone come back, and I think they should
Speaker 1: add one. I know I'm in the minority opinion here,
Speaker 1: but I would like to see Liam McSweeney on these
Speaker 1: with this cast. Personally, I think she makes the most
Speaker 1: sense and I think it will be nice and be
Speaker 1: invigorating for the show to have someone want bridge right,
Speaker 1: because Leah never fit in with that group anyway totally.
Speaker 1: She was so much younger than them, She was so
Speaker 1: much different than them. She was so much hipper than them.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say cooler. She was just like
Speaker 1: an edge that they could literally couldn't handle. So conversation
Speaker 1: would just break down because like it was Ramona and
Speaker 1: Leah and who.
Speaker 2: Cares they're speaking a different language.
Speaker 1: Like I think that Leah and Si would be an
Speaker 1: interesting vibe. I think that Leah and Brinn would be
Speaker 1: a fun vibe. I think like one of the only
Speaker 1: people that would literally say to Jenna Lyons like what
Speaker 1: the fuck? Like why aren't you? Why are that better
Speaker 1: than us? Is someone like Leah and I know that
Speaker 1: Leah did not slay the Ultimate Girl's Trip, and people
Speaker 1: have their ideas about why and who she is, et cetera.
Speaker 1: And yeah, her second season was that's certainly not as
Speaker 1: strong as her first, And that has nothing to do
Speaker 1: with sobriety just has to do with like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe where she was at in her life, but like,
Speaker 1: I think that Leah is watchable and dynamic and would
Speaker 1: fit in with this cast and would give it a
Speaker 1: boost next season. Perchance the like edge and danger.
Speaker 2: That it needs a chance to dream. That's how you
Speaker 2: make a very good case. I was not totally on
Speaker 2: board when you first proposed this, but now this persuasive.
Speaker 1: Girl persuasion the new fragrance by Matt Bye. See the
Speaker 1: thing is, when I start to do my fragrances, it
Speaker 1: will not be as Matt Rogers. It will just be Matt.
Speaker 2: Do you agree that the name Matt is really powerful?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: I think it is. Whenever someone says Matt, I hear
Speaker 2: you saying it Matt, and I smile. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1: It makes sense why you would smile when hearing my name.
Speaker 1: Love you, sister, But I don't think the name holds power.
Speaker 1: What I think is frustrating about my name Matt is
Speaker 1: that approximately billions have it as well. And I will
Speaker 1: also say that when you go on to Spotify and
Speaker 1: you put type in Matt Rogers still American Idol guy,
Speaker 1: it's a country singer named Matt Rogers, and then there's me,
Speaker 1: and then there is an American Idol contestant obviously who's
Speaker 1: also like a TV host. So it's like I sort
Speaker 1: of can't do anything in this goddamn town. I know
Speaker 1: you don't like goddamn, but that's how I'm describing the town.
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, damn, I'm saying goddamn in song. I know,
Speaker 1: I know, but you know, it's just so many people
Speaker 1: are Matt Rogers, and yet I feel like I have worked.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you it's so hard to establish my attention.
Speaker 1: We get like this, like you are a monoonymously Boeen,
Speaker 1: you know you could be.
Speaker 2: It's not monique, It's truly not.
Speaker 1: I forgot your last name. I don't know you're mononymous
Speaker 1: to me. Beyonce Madonna Bowen. Did you see clips from
Speaker 1: the celebration tour? I did not see clips in it
Speaker 1: looks looks good.
Speaker 2: She looks good. Yeah, I am excited. I hope to go.
Speaker 1: I hope to go to That would be really fun. Barklay.
Speaker 1: The set list is just I mean, it's Madonna's Madonna.
Speaker 1: Is she doing Barclays.
Speaker 2: She's doing Barclays in December.
Speaker 1: That's gonna be hard. Oh December. I can't go. I'm
Speaker 1: on tour by tickets at www dot Matt Rodgers Official
Speaker 1: Dark I cancel the tour. No, I can't. Okay, I
Speaker 1: just love my fans too much.
Speaker 2: I think the fans would be more excited to see
Speaker 2: you than Madonna. I will live and have slight regrets
Speaker 2: if I don't see Madonna on what maybe her last tour.
Speaker 2: But I will really, really, really really hate myself if
Speaker 2: I don't go to see you.
Speaker 1: Somebody said, really messed up. Got tickets to see Matt
Speaker 1: Rogers and the Countess Slew on the same night. What
Speaker 1: do I do? And I said, girl, you know what
Speaker 1: to do. I'll see you at the show. Come on.
Speaker 2: Lou's been doing it for a minute. She's making trips
Speaker 2: around the sign Madison Luke can never which is release
Speaker 2: an album?
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: I'm sorry she lude knows this.
Speaker 1: I think that album from Lou would be major.
Speaker 2: I just don't think I.
Speaker 1: Want to hear the Lou ballad.
Speaker 2: I don't know that Lou has the work ethic she's
Speaker 2: up there. I'm just saying like, she doesn't have the hunger.
Speaker 2: I think she's so hungry. I think she's as hung
Speaker 2: as John ham and that gay on the beach screaming shark,
Speaker 2: the three hungry and hung icons, Lou Anne, John Hamm.
Speaker 1: The shark guy, and fag who cried SHARKA who cried shark.
Speaker 1: Do you think he's upset that we called him a fact?
Speaker 1: I think so.
Speaker 2: Literally, we were still on the island and the episode
Speaker 2: came out anywhere, and I was at the canteen getting
Speaker 2: some breakfast, and then one of the shop owners, Oh no,
Speaker 2: walked up to me and said, we loved your episode.
Speaker 2: And the guy who was telling everybody about the sharks,
Speaker 2: you know, called me this morning and said he was
Speaker 2: he felt really embarrassed. I said, oh no, that's not
Speaker 2: what that was. Now we were saying no, no, no,
Speaker 2: we were truly hailing him as a hero. We were
Speaker 2: just kind.
Speaker 1: Of he was right, he was right. I said, I
Speaker 1: want to do a film based on him. I literally
Speaker 1: want to do a film based on him, which is
Speaker 1: he's getting the life rights check. This is what I
Speaker 1: want is I do think it could be a great opportunity,
Speaker 1: like artistically, to play someone who literally no one believes.
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, the shark rises up
Speaker 1: at the end and we all gasped because they were like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, he was right, and like that is
Speaker 1: a term of endearment.
Speaker 2: Oh, I mean, like, come on, oh please, we only
Speaker 2: use it endearingly. I've ever called someone I do not
Speaker 2: like a fagot on my life, never have no only icons,
Speaker 2: only icons, truly, and he count as one of them.
Speaker 2: Where we say, oh, Housewives, anything to say about salt Lake?
Speaker 2: Interesting development? Last week? I was writing on Tuesday. Now,
Speaker 2: I don't get to watch salt Lake the night that
Speaker 2: they air because I'm working. But you and Cud were
Speaker 2: watching it together last week, and you both shocked me
Speaker 2: with statement you knew what it was, say what it was.
Speaker 2: You're both team and Angie. Now, oh we can't say that.
Speaker 1: It's not that I'm team Angie now, it's that. After that,
Speaker 1: I deeply understood Angie why this would feel so harmful,
Speaker 1: because the way that her husband broke down. I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: two things. One, I believe these people are actually fine
Speaker 1: and discussions about her. And I also think being team
Speaker 1: Angie doesn't mean anti Meredith because I actually don't think
Speaker 1: she's I don't believe that Meredith as a glad girly
Speaker 1: like her husband's game. I think it must be something else. Meredith,
Speaker 1: how much what happened?
Speaker 2: Said someone at one of her questions from the audience
Speaker 2: was was the rumor that you were talking might ever
Speaker 2: get discussed? And she goes, I never discussed it, and
Speaker 2: then Andy goes, well, that's not what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: And Meredith never never spread that rumor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she said she knew a rumor and would go there,
Speaker 1: And that doesn't mean it's necessarily the same thing. I
Speaker 1: think that there's some well whatever, and I think, I
Speaker 1: guess what I'm saying is like one, I don't think
Speaker 1: that their marriage is like weird. And two, I think
Speaker 1: if he is gay alone, it doesn't feel good to
Speaker 1: watch this guy fucking break down like this. I mean,
Speaker 1: he loves his daughter, he has love for his wife.
Speaker 1: I don't know what form that takes, whatever it is,
Speaker 1: it is clearly real and therefore like, oh, but it's
Speaker 1: getting to the point now where it's just like I
Speaker 1: guess if you go on one of these reality shows,
Speaker 1: like and your husband's like, hey, I don't know, and
Speaker 1: you're like no, no, no, it's like you can't make
Speaker 1: him that promise. It's like every single one of these
Speaker 1: women is bloodthirsty to destroy your marriage. Yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: Cyan Aaron looking for something wrong with jesselin Povit like
Speaker 1: literally desperately needing there to be something wrong with them
Speaker 1: to prove what my thing is.
Speaker 2: That it's just I mean, Giselle fucking does this. It's
Speaker 2: like constantly, it's like let's say, like I don't know,
Speaker 2: like tameran Oc or whatever, Like it's low hanging fruit.
Speaker 2: At this point, it's so well traa that I'm like,
Speaker 2: I actually don't give a fuck if someone's marriage is
Speaker 2: on the rocks in one of these shows. It's not
Speaker 2: what I'm it's not why I'm want.
Speaker 1: Or if the marriages are on the rocks, like let's
Speaker 1: see it play out between the couple, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Like it just feels like it always feels
Speaker 1: like when someone on any reality show, it comes for
Speaker 1: someone else's marriage. It will always read to me as
Speaker 1: you are not personally compelling enough to carry your own acting,
Speaker 1: and that is something I will give Jenna alliance is
Speaker 1: she is personally compelling enough so that she can barely
Speaker 1: engage with what's going right and for us to still
Speaker 1: be like Jenna Jenna and to still be like, oh wow,
Speaker 1: she's so great, She's an icon. We have to make
Speaker 1: it a little bit of a shorter episode today, so
Speaker 1: we're going to transition into I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: and personally I don't think so, honey. I believe could
Speaker 1: be elaborated on. So I want to get into it.
Speaker 1: I love a conversation starter. I the conversations with you
Speaker 1: in general. Girl.
Speaker 2: You know that's reciprocally.
Speaker 1: My favorite conversationalist. I always say that, I don't know
Speaker 1: speaking of we will be in conversation with Betty gopin
Speaker 1: ninety second Street Why October twenty second, and we are
Speaker 1: going to be losing that as an episode. We are
Speaker 1: I'd also be live streamed.
Speaker 2: It'll be on the YouTube. I don't know that it
Speaker 2: will be released.
Speaker 1: On art okay, So just know that I deeply want
Speaker 1: to provide it as an episode and so does Bowen
Speaker 1: and just stay tuned. But you'll never know. So if
Speaker 1: you feel like it is any doubt, just come see us.
Speaker 2: Okay, we're so excited we should say that, I Donny
Speaker 2: is our one minute segment where we each take a
Speaker 2: minute to really get something in culture that's grinding our gears.
Speaker 2: That's the expression Matt Rodgers will go first. This is
Speaker 2: Matt Rodgers. I don't think so many times starts it.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, Honey, Will and Jada, I'm so
Speaker 1: tired of it. They're so annoying, like you might have
Speaker 1: to be brought to the Red table if that's your
Speaker 1: real name, because now we know the red table has
Speaker 1: been if red is the color of honesty and truth,
Speaker 1: well this has not been very read. You're so ready.
Speaker 1: Why are you saying, like why have we been engaging
Speaker 1: in your relationship if it's not been an actual thing
Speaker 1: for seven years?
Speaker 2: Like thirty seconds?
Speaker 1: What is this? And I'm so over in general and
Speaker 1: trailer Swelsey, I have to say this too, but like
Speaker 1: this like thing of like promoting your own relationship feels
Speaker 1: a little weird to me and icky to me, like
Speaker 1: less with them because it's like exciting and blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: and that's like, you know, part of it. I'm just
Speaker 1: bothered by the Will and Jada thing because it feels
Speaker 1: like both weird and dishonest and annoying at this point,
Speaker 1: what was the slap for if your marriage hasn't been real?
Speaker 2: That's one minute. Yes, it's not that they owe us
Speaker 2: anything at the time that these things develop, but it's
Speaker 2: that like, oh, you are creating these really exhausting media
Speaker 2: narratives around your marriage when it was when it was
Speaker 2: always a shamp Yeah.
Speaker 1: I guess that's my thing is it's just like you
Speaker 1: ask us to engage to you ask discuss to engage
Speaker 1: for years and years and years. You are Will and Jana.
Speaker 1: You came to the red table, right, and now it's
Speaker 1: like it just feels like, huh.
Speaker 2: Anyway, that was a very good conversation starter.
Speaker 1: Thank you. And that's what we have here, honest conversations.
Speaker 2: I have one that's kind of it's a reaction to
Speaker 2: something that I just witnessed.
Speaker 1: Okay Bowen has witnessed something in the culture, and therefore
Speaker 1: he comes to his podcast Last Culturcist to discuss it.
Speaker 1: And thank god, this is Bowen Yang's I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: His time starts now.
Speaker 2: I don't think so, honey. This new Wonka trailer that
Speaker 2: just made me sit down and watch he didn't make me.
Speaker 2: I was curious, but I watched it, and I my
Speaker 2: jaw was on the floor. I'm not gonna blame Timothy
Speaker 2: for this, but like tennis ball acting, we had to
Speaker 2: figure out something better. Timothy is not acting in the
Speaker 2: same movie as Hugh grit It's so clear they were
Speaker 2: never on set the same day. I'm sure they were,
Speaker 2: but the eye lines, the registers, the tone seconds all
Speaker 2: completely misaligned in any given moment of this trailer, and
Speaker 2: I'm sure whole film also.
Speaker 1: I mean, we're gonna apply the same thing we did
Speaker 1: like fifteen second twelve years ago to movies these like
Speaker 1: prequel origin story movies. I think we're done. It's so tired,
Speaker 1: Like it's so tired.
Speaker 2: And I think we couldn't even get it right with
Speaker 2: Maleficon Angelina, Like that's that, that's this composite.
Speaker 1: I guess, like I don't.
Speaker 2: We love Willie Wonka, we love the man and the chocolate,
Speaker 2: but not the story.
Speaker 1: And that's one minute. I just don't know who asked
Speaker 1: for a new Wonka. I don't know that we needed this,
Speaker 1: and that makes me feel like, obviously it's just because
Speaker 1: it's so beloved property, Like, but is it, like do
Speaker 1: people care about this?
Speaker 2: I mean, Charlie and the chocolate factory is it's monoculture.
Speaker 2: It's like totally nos and.
Speaker 1: So I don't think it's about Beloved's covertison.
Speaker 2: I think it's research. I think it's market research being like, well, hey,
Speaker 2: Warner Brothers, like, we haven't done anything with this in
Speaker 2: a while.
Speaker 1: I don't want to predict that something's gonna do badly,
Speaker 1: but I think this is gonna bomb. I'm predicting this
Speaker 1: is gonna bomb. Here's what I think. Two things. I
Speaker 1: predict Wonka is gonna bomb. I Predictmingirls musical will be huge.
Speaker 1: It's the Taylor Barbie thing. M hmm.
Speaker 2: It's like the reason Paramount moved it off of Paramount
Speaker 2: Plus and into theaters was because they were like, oh right,
Speaker 2: these are the people who are paying for movie tickets
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 1: First of all, enough for nothing, but like Mingirls shouldn't
Speaker 1: ever have been going to Paramount Plus. Mingirls is a huge,
Speaker 1: relevantes like cultural thing that people would want to.
Speaker 2: Revisit for twenty years, it's been relevant. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: I think anyone didn't like the musical, probably because like
Speaker 1: I personally feel like when you put something on Broadway,
Speaker 1: it kind of sucks edge out of something like Mean Girls,
Speaker 1: which is like ingols are so cool because it's so
Speaker 1: funny and edgy and bitchy and fun and said something
Speaker 1: and was like, you know, it was able to create
Speaker 1: new things, whereas like a Broadway version of that literally
Speaker 1: taking place on a stage just kind of like you
Speaker 1: can't necessarily be like.
Speaker 2: Edgy and enough and it has to be for like
Speaker 2: the moms and the dead who are flying their teens
Speaker 2: in to watch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what is like a movie version of even the
Speaker 1: musical can feel edgy and cool and it looks great
Speaker 1: and Renee looks so sligh in it's yeah, that line
Speaker 1: reading was that's how you am. The trailer it's so
Speaker 1: Renee get in, lose there or whatever. Yes, And I
Speaker 1: love that she's not copying Rachel. I know.
Speaker 2: Oh no, she's smarter than them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, she's really fucking good. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and uh it seems like a great cast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like a lot of fun I was happy
Speaker 1: to see tim Meadows and Tina are in it, sigh, sleigh,
Speaker 1: and I will be there. And here's the thing is,
Speaker 1: it's like, mean girls, I know I'll be there, Wonka,
Speaker 1: I know I won't. Yeah, you know you won't. And
Speaker 1: I love Timmy. I mean like, oh to say nothing
Speaker 1: of a Levia. And that's another thing. I was like, Wow,
Speaker 1: she's in this huh and it's not enough for me?
Speaker 2: Can possibly be you know what I'm saying, mean girls,
Speaker 2: does you know what the thing that people overlook in
Speaker 2: meingirls The moral of that entire story is at the
Speaker 2: athletes competition where it's I know it like is the
Speaker 2: climax the film for Katie, But I always forget this
Speaker 2: part and it's it is the whole point of the
Speaker 2: movie is where she's like she has a snaggletooth, she
Speaker 2: has like she's a lipstick and then she goes, I
Speaker 2: realized making fun of this person is not going to
Speaker 2: help me solve this problem. Yeah, and I'm like, that's
Speaker 2: the whole part of the movie. Being mean is does
Speaker 2: not make you.
Speaker 1: Better better, It doesn't help anyone.
Speaker 2: It doesn't help a given situation, like listen, we're on
Speaker 2: a pop culture podcast where we like make fun of
Speaker 2: things all the time. But it's not for like, hopefully
Speaker 2: if we're doing our jobs right. It's not to like
Speaker 2: aggrandize ourselves. No, it's I would never ever, ever, and
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think either of us think we're better than
Speaker 1: a single fucking thing we talk about, and that is ever, ever, ever.
Speaker 1: But I will say I think what we want to
Speaker 1: end this podcast on is to say cig being mean
Speaker 1: to Jessel is not gonna make you better, period, period.
Speaker 1: And that's why we wanted to talk about Wonka was
Speaker 1: to get to sign and I mean calling someone mean
Speaker 1: girl is a pretty heavy thing because of that movie.
Speaker 1: And you know, speaking of meanirl culture, one of the
Speaker 1: most iconic bitchy songs and the highlight of the Aroostar
Speaker 1: movie is what we're gonna end the podcast on today.
Speaker 1: Oh look what you made me do? Look what you
Speaker 1: made me do? Look what you just made me do?
Speaker 1: Look what you just made me? Iconic abuser language made
Speaker 1: pop fine