Speaker 1: Scam, Come rob from scam, come rob and froam Godess
Speaker 1: what's pop and congregation? It is your girl. Lacey Mosley,
Speaker 1: aka Scam Goddess, back with the comedy podcast all about robbery, fraud,
Speaker 1: and those who practice it.
Speaker 2: Sometimes we love them, sometimes we hate them.
Speaker 1: One thing is for sure.
Speaker 2: We'll probably laugh at them, but never at the victims
Speaker 2: and congregation.
Speaker 1: If you've been with us for a while, or if
Speaker 1: you're new to the church, shake your neighbor's hands, say hello.
Speaker 2: Yes, But if you are a part.
Speaker 1: Of the congregation, I'm very what Yes, I'm excited, I'm through,
Speaker 1: I'm elated. I'm astatic to welcome a new guest to
Speaker 1: the show. Kyle Prue is an award winning author, actor,
Speaker 1: and comedian.
Speaker 2: Kyle gained widespread acclaim with the viral series.
Speaker 1: How To Piss Off Men I Love That, which has
Speaker 1: a mass hundreds of millions of views across social media.
Speaker 1: The series culminated into a handbook that debuted as an
Speaker 1: instant New York Times bestseller, as it should. In addition,
Speaker 1: Kyle Prewe is the creative force behind the cult favorite
Speaker 1: web series Rabbit. His podcast Get Worse debuts on Will
Speaker 1: Ferrell's Big Money Players Club in October.
Speaker 3: Welcome Kyle, thank you, thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: Thank you here. It's very rare that we have a
Speaker 1: white man on the show. So you you have a
Speaker 1: lot of lifting to do here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I gotta represent my people. Well that's
Speaker 3: a lot.
Speaker 1: I gotta make that much.
Speaker 2: On you representing white Ben Willis.
Speaker 1: I gotta make up.
Speaker 3: I gotta make up a few yards. It's tough. It's
Speaker 3: been a tough couple.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you gonna gain some yard in the right direction.
Speaker 1: I love I love the well Kyle. I wanted to
Speaker 1: ask you, like, what is your relationship with scams? Have
Speaker 1: you ever been scammed? Have you ever run any scams?
Speaker 1: Do you know anybody who's been scammed? It could literally be.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, definitely. I mean I have, for sure Ben
Speaker 3: scammed and I have I have run some low level
Speaker 3: scams myself. Yeah. You know, it's just sort of something
Speaker 3: that you kind of fall into. You know, it starts
Speaker 3: with one little tiny you know.
Speaker 2: You know, you scammer talking about yeah, promise something.
Speaker 3: You just you fall into a fall into a little crime.
Speaker 3: You know, it's a slippery slope, that's you know. They
Speaker 3: invented that term for scammers to use to explain their actions.
Speaker 1: No anything specific come to minds or anything that beyond
Speaker 1: the Statute of limitations.
Speaker 3: Okay, beyond the Statute of limitations. This one, it wouldn't
Speaker 3: even really be it's not even legal. It's all personal.
Speaker 3: But so I went to UH, I went to I
Speaker 3: went to theater school.
Speaker 1: Which one.
Speaker 3: I went to the University of Michigan.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's a good one. Okay.
Speaker 3: I paid lots and lots and lots of money to
Speaker 3: roll on the floor for many years. And so I
Speaker 3: had ended up taking a gap year in between high
Speaker 3: school and college, and because I was going on book tour,
Speaker 3: and so I was like, I should tell the people
Speaker 3: who I was going to be in class with that
Speaker 3: I'm not going to show up and I'll see them
Speaker 3: next year, you know. And so I popped into this
Speaker 3: Facebook group for you know, you miss something something theater,
Speaker 3: and I said, hey, guys, I I'm actually going on
Speaker 3: book tour. I'm going to come next year, but you know,
Speaker 3: I can't wait to meet you guys. Then sent it off.
Speaker 3: So the next year, I am at Michigan and I'm
Speaker 3: I'm an acting major.
Speaker 1: But you miss is very performance.
Speaker 2: Ye yes, I'm very aware of the theater scene there.
Speaker 1: I'm sure cleaning up a straight man and the unbelievable.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. It was. It was horrible. It was terrible.
Speaker 3: It was unconsfortable. But here's the I feel like, uh,
Speaker 3: performance minor Business major is like the podcast degree. Oh
Speaker 3: my god, it's like charisma and accupant, you know, it's
Speaker 3: all you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did make a televisions and I write a book,
Speaker 1: so then you know what yeah yeah, yeah, so but yeah,
Speaker 1: so you you you took your gap year to like,
Speaker 1: was it to go on tour for the book promotions?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I was going on tour and all that,
Speaker 3: and and and so I was in the I was
Speaker 3: in the acting major. And then you know, you, Mish
Speaker 3: has this very very very you know, sort of prestigious
Speaker 3: musical theater.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they do.
Speaker 3: And the mts are just kind of different. They are
Speaker 3: sort of they have a super human ability to uh
Speaker 3: kind of everything.
Speaker 1: So very squirky, strange individuals.
Speaker 3: Yes, indeed. One yeah. Yeah, and so a little bit
Speaker 3: like halfway through freshman year, I'm out and I'm with
Speaker 3: these musical theater majors and one of them is like
Speaker 3: this is this was like what was passing for a
Speaker 3: conversation back then. But they were like who in your
Speaker 3: who in your class sings? Like who's who's who are
Speaker 3: the really great singers? And I'm I'm naming a couple
Speaker 3: of people in my class and well and you, of
Speaker 3: course I don't really sing. And I was like, uh, well,
Speaker 3: what do you mean? And they were like, well, you
Speaker 3: were going to be in our class. You were going
Speaker 3: to be in the music theater school, but then you
Speaker 3: took that gap year and now you're in the acting program.
Speaker 3: And I was like, what are you talking about? And
Speaker 3: they were like, you posted on our Facebook group. You
Speaker 3: said you were going to be in our class, and
Speaker 3: then you took a gap year, and then when you
Speaker 3: showed up, you were an acting major. So you were
Speaker 3: going to be a musical theater measure, but then you're
Speaker 3: an acting major. And what I realized is when I
Speaker 3: had posted in that Facebook group, I had accidentally posted
Speaker 3: in the musical theater Facebook group and said, Hey, I
Speaker 3: was going to be in your class, but now I'm
Speaker 3: taking a gap year. I'll meet you all next year.
Speaker 3: And they were like, so you were like you you
Speaker 3: are almost an MPT yet and I was like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's true. And so I just kind of I was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know what, Yeah, like this will be kind of funny,
Speaker 3: like this will be something that i'll you know, sort
Speaker 3: of I'll later I'll be like, oh, I was just kidding.
Speaker 3: I can't sing or dance or do any of that stuff.
Speaker 3: And so time passes, and this sort of lie starts
Speaker 3: to get away from me in a very big way
Speaker 3: in which like, now people are coming up to me
Speaker 3: and being like, I hear you have one of the
Speaker 3: most beautiful voice. Could you sing a little something for
Speaker 3: us now, Lacy, I'll tell you I don't have a
Speaker 3: very beautiful voice, so.
Speaker 2: I speaking though.
Speaker 3: Something is lost in translation. I'll tell you that. So people,
Speaker 3: and so it starts to build more and more and more,
Speaker 3: and people are like, I heard that you are sort
Speaker 3: of like a generationally talented thing, and so I had
Speaker 3: to like think of a thousand excuses to not sing
Speaker 3: in front of people the entire time I was at school. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And then it started turning into people being like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I heard you couldn't get back into the musical theater school,
Speaker 3: so you had to go to acting. Like now, then
Speaker 3: it turned into this idea that like, oh, like the
Speaker 3: second time around, I wasn't talented enough to be in
Speaker 3: the musical leader school, which, to be fair, I was
Speaker 3: never talented enough to be in the musical theater school.
Speaker 3: But the next year I am dating this girl who's
Speaker 3: in the musical theater program and she's a year younger
Speaker 3: than me, and she goes to this party and people
Speaker 3: are like, have you ever heard your boyfriend sing? And
Speaker 3: she's like no, and they're like he's unbelievable. He's like
Speaker 3: one of the best singers in the world. And I
Speaker 3: guess like my refusal this thing had just like head
Speaker 3: this thing build and build and build, and by then
Speaker 3: I was terrified to be like, hey, everybody, I lied.
Speaker 3: So she is like listening to all these people tell
Speaker 3: her this and she's like, Kyle, like I really don't
Speaker 3: think so I think you're all wrong, and they're like no, no,
Speaker 3: like he's the best. And so she comes over that
Speaker 3: night and she's like like hey, like it's weird, yeah,
Speaker 3: yea yeah. She was like you never sing for me,
Speaker 3: and I was like I knew exactly. I knew immediately
Speaker 3: what was going on. I was like, you know, I don't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if a woman asked the man to perform musical
Speaker 1: talents the second agenda, because yeah, never you have never
Speaker 1: never been trying a man whips out a guitar. I'm like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's like more goog dolls.
Speaker 3: So I was just like, uh, listen, I don't really
Speaker 3: do that anymore. I was like trying to get out
Speaker 3: of it so hard, and then she starts like balling crying,
Speaker 3: and I was like, wait, what the what the what
Speaker 3: the fuck's going on? She was like I can't believe
Speaker 3: that there's like this thing that I didn't know about you,
Speaker 3: and like this is like a whole big, like part
Speaker 3: of your identity, I guess, and like it's something you
Speaker 3: felt like you had to hide from me, and like
Speaker 3: I came off the wait list and it's like weird
Speaker 3: that you never told me that. And I was like listen,
Speaker 3: I was like, none of it's real. I was like,
Speaker 3: it's all fake. It's it's it's like one like joke
Speaker 3: that I thought was going to pay off that is
Speaker 3: now has consumed my life. And she was like.
Speaker 4: Oh, thank god, like thank god, because I think she
Speaker 4: did not want to be with a like quote unquote
Speaker 4: like musical beater man And.
Speaker 2: Is that what she said?
Speaker 1: Because tell me what she said, there were there.
Speaker 3: I think there was a lot of reasons behind her relief.
Speaker 3: I think I think that it was probably also to
Speaker 3: a degree that like she was like, like she had said,
Speaker 3: I think she was glad that there wasn't like a
Speaker 3: whole part of my identity that had been hidden from
Speaker 3: her that like.
Speaker 2: And like I was feeling like I must he must
Speaker 2: be cheating on me.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah all around town for me.
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: I got a door ray or me out of his ass,
Speaker 1: So what's going on?
Speaker 3: And so, uh but then she told everyone and that
Speaker 3: was the end of my scam, and uh, it was.
Speaker 3: It was weird like people with people like would like
Speaker 3: I trusted you man, Like they were like this, this
Speaker 3: this matters to us, and I was like, wow, this
Speaker 3: really it did. It was a little bit damaging to
Speaker 3: my personal stock.
Speaker 1: But oh my goodness, I know, I feel like the
Speaker 1: scam a little bit here too. Though. It's like, Kyle
Speaker 1: is just the body that you were born into, like
Speaker 1: being a charismatic white man with a full head of hair,
Speaker 1: and you just mentioned something just like oh yeah, musical
Speaker 1: theater and then all of a sudden, they've ran with
Speaker 1: this like he's so charismatic, his hair is so full,
Speaker 1: he's the best singer in the world.
Speaker 3: They created this whole, this whole corporate brand identity for
Speaker 3: me as like as like you know, like a performer,
Speaker 3: a shinger.
Speaker 1: And you feel that by refusing to sing, because then
Speaker 1: they were like, yeah, he's so good he won't even
Speaker 1: share his y with me. Personally, people were like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's time people sing. I'm like scam Like, I'm like
Speaker 1: I gotta start whipping it out because I got to
Speaker 1: prove myself. But you just being like no, no, no,
Speaker 1: not Like now they're like, oh, he must be so
Speaker 1: good because he won't even give us a taste.
Speaker 3: It made it seem like I had nothing to prove,
Speaker 3: when in reality, I quite literally had nothing with which
Speaker 3: to prove my shelf. Uh Yeah, So so that was
Speaker 3: sort of the scam that consumed my life for a
Speaker 3: little while.
Speaker 1: That's a bar I kind of look that. I think
Speaker 1: all of us need to take that on a little
Speaker 1: bit more. I'm gonna stop trying to prove myself so hard. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: if you keep it a little clandestine, then people are
Speaker 1: like what do they have to hide? It works the
Speaker 1: same way in dating, like the word I've learned that
Speaker 1: like there's really just bitch or whore, like like it's
Speaker 1: gonna be a war. Yeah, like and and horre doesn't
Speaker 1: necessarily mean like a negative connotation doesn't mean like even
Speaker 1: sex worker I don't think is negative. So I'm not
Speaker 1: even taking that, but like what I mean. So it's
Speaker 1: like I'm always like the nice person who's always like,
Speaker 1: look what I can do. Look at that you need help,
Speaker 1: I'll give you help. You need money, I'll give you money.
Speaker 1: And that is not proven to be the way to
Speaker 1: bring the type of people in my life that I want.
Speaker 1: So I was like, ooh, it's time to jump over
Speaker 1: the bitch, which is like, why do you deserve my time?
Speaker 1: I'm gonna like, I'm not gonna be rude to you,
Speaker 1: but I'm also not going to open my whole life
Speaker 1: up to you, you stranger, with that you proving that
Speaker 1: you belong here. So you kind of did the bitch
Speaker 1: version of being like people without trying to do it,
Speaker 1: ye people being like please think press and like I
Speaker 1: don't do that. I don't yeah yeah, yeah, and asked
Speaker 1: her to sing for me should be like whoa, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they thought that I knew my worth. That they
Speaker 3: thought that I was just like sitting around knowing my
Speaker 3: worth when in reality I knew exactly what my work
Speaker 3: was and it wasn't enough just toff. That's so true though.
Speaker 3: I think like one of the things that I think
Speaker 3: that you learn the older you get and the more
Speaker 3: like like menu interact with is that like men, like
Speaker 3: they're the real talent of the man is like uh
Speaker 3: is being trainable, like being able to like accept the dynamic.
Speaker 3: So if you like go to a man and you're like, oh,
Speaker 3: like i'll do this for you, I'll do this for you,
Speaker 3: I'll do this for you, like I'm all these things
Speaker 3: to you, They're like, great, that is the dynamic. And
Speaker 3: the dynamic is inherently like fair, you know, like it's
Speaker 3: and so if you if you set the dynamic, you're like,
Speaker 3: what do you bring to the table. They're like, that's
Speaker 3: the dynamic. The dynamic is that like I'm like, you know,
Speaker 3: like you know, in more of kind of an equal
Speaker 3: you know, flow, and so so I think, I mean,
Speaker 3: I think it's I think it's a valid philosophy.
Speaker 1: And under, you know, in a different body, like my
Speaker 1: brown body, my female body, my queer body. People are
Speaker 1: always assuming less of me automatically, which is crazy. Like
Speaker 1: you know how DEI was pejorative, Like it became a
Speaker 1: pejorative term for brand of black people getting jobs they
Speaker 1: didn't deserve, when in actuality, we had to not even
Speaker 1: black people minorities in general, but like we had to
Speaker 1: be ten times better to get the job. Yeah, Like
Speaker 1: you like, you know, certain people of certain ilkskuldwalk and like,
Speaker 1: you know, like a straight white man and they would
Speaker 1: just assume that you have the skills of the talent
Speaker 1: and you could learn them on the job, Kyle, Whereas
Speaker 1: they're like when I come to the job, they're like,
Speaker 1: you've been working at this job a million years, right.
Speaker 2: Like you're overly qualified.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I like that technique, and I think a
Speaker 1: lot of us can take that on a little bit more.
Speaker 1: I definitely am going to I have as I've gotten
Speaker 1: a little bit older.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean I that was one of the
Speaker 3: things is I had once at one point tried to
Speaker 3: explain like the DEI conversation to like an uncle of mine,
Speaker 3: and I was like, they're playing.
Speaker 1: Because a lot of white men like to come talk
Speaker 1: to us about like, damn, it's really hard.
Speaker 2: Out here for y'all.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah yeah uncle, hell yeah yeah, everyone can go
Speaker 3: talk to your uncle. It was hard, man, It was
Speaker 3: I was like, please never on Facebook ever again. But
Speaker 3: just what I was saying is I was like, like,
Speaker 3: it's the exact same game, but they're playing on like
Speaker 3: the extreme difficulty level, you know what I mean. Like
Speaker 3: if someone's like there, if someone's like, uh, like playing
Speaker 3: the exact same game that you're playing, and they're playing
Speaker 3: on a much harder difficulty, that that means that they're
Speaker 3: probably a lot more capable and qualified than like if you,
Speaker 3: if you were able to sort of just walk through it.
Speaker 1: Right, because how did they get there?
Speaker 3: If he likes video games? So I was trying to
Speaker 3: put it. I was trying to create a frame of
Speaker 3: reference that would really work for him. I don't think
Speaker 3: it worked.
Speaker 2: I love that you came at him like a youth
Speaker 2: pastor and you did your best.
Speaker 1: You did your best.
Speaker 3: Really is my energy. I had a guitar. I was like, listen,
Speaker 3: oh I love that.
Speaker 1: Oh goodness, well look we all learned something here. I
Speaker 1: love this and you know what we're gonna keep in
Speaker 1: that frame. So you know, you you talk about how
Speaker 1: to piss off man man. You know that was obviously
Speaker 1: like a huge thing, and now you have this podcast
Speaker 1: coming out get worse on big money players, and so
Speaker 1: I wanted to This actually falls right into what we
Speaker 1: were talking about.
Speaker 2: But I have a listener letter here from the audience.
Speaker 1: As always, snitch on your friends, your family, and your
Speaker 1: enemies at scam gottess pot at gmail dot com. Just
Speaker 1: make sure your scam is retired because we don't want
Speaker 1: to what yes, fuck up your bag a man? So, Kyle,
Speaker 1: I need you to give me a fake name. Gender
Speaker 1: doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: M Carrie Carrie.
Speaker 2: Okay, I like that. Is it Carrie with a see
Speaker 2: or Cary with a k?
Speaker 1: It's Carrie with a c ooh like the movie but
Speaker 1: Pet's blood.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly like the movie with the fixed blood.
Speaker 1: So Carrie says, hello, Queen of all things Scammering the
Speaker 1: scam I run is simple and though technically illegal, heavy
Speaker 1: on the technical. No one stands to lose and the
Speaker 1: only thing the scammed are left holding is shame and
Speaker 1: the knowledge that you can't fuck with my bag. Okay, Carrie.
Speaker 1: And typically if I read a listener letter and they
Speaker 1: say the scam is ongoing, I may share it. I
Speaker 1: may not because I know that you have a very
Speaker 1: strong TikTok acumen, Like I'm sure you like I'll be
Speaker 1: on their doom scrolling shit. My algorithm is very curated,
Speaker 1: but it's rare that I'll post every now and then
Speaker 1: I'll get a girl full of something. But I know,
Speaker 1: you know like how it is when you're a little
Speaker 1: bit more involved in that. But one thing I really
Speaker 1: hate about TikTok is that people don't gate keep enough.
Speaker 1: It's like you find out something and then you have
Speaker 1: to tell everybody, and I'm like, sometimes it's like keep
Speaker 1: it in your group chat because you're actually fucking up.
Speaker 1: The bags are on here the you know, everybody's gonna
Speaker 1: start adjusting because you were like, here's a new secret
Speaker 1: I learned, Like, bitch, don't tell us, don't tell everybody.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean I think I think anytime that
Speaker 3: you can there are some people who live their life
Speaker 3: thinking anytime I can offer something useful that like another
Speaker 3: person could like use or or take, then that is
Speaker 3: like algorithm jews. Yeah, So like I think that like
Speaker 3: one of the things that I like learned through like
Speaker 3: writing is that like sometimes the most important decision that
Speaker 3: you can make is to show restraint. And I think
Speaker 3: it's the same thing like knowing when not to go
Speaker 3: viral at a certain point becomes Josh, this important is
Speaker 3: as knowing when to go viral, and and I think
Speaker 3: that like a big part of like yeah, like you know,
Speaker 3: I mean like not like fucking up your entire life
Speaker 3: is being like okay, yeah, like there's some stuff that
Speaker 3: I am going to keep for me or you know,
Speaker 3: keep for me and my friends because you know, like, uh,
Speaker 3: just because I can use it to be seen by
Speaker 3: a lot of people doesn't mean that's that's gonna be
Speaker 3: good for me or my life or my career.
Speaker 1: And people are so there's just become such a desperation
Speaker 1: because of our economy and because of how hard it
Speaker 1: is to just get a regular job that you know,
Speaker 1: people are like, oh, I see this person go viral
Speaker 1: like doctor pepper baby, bebe let me look what's my
Speaker 1: doctor pepper baby. Like I'm trying to get out of
Speaker 1: the struggle, and it's like it's not gonna work for everybody.
Speaker 1: Some of us have to be CNA's babes, like some
Speaker 1: of us have to. Somebody's got to do these jobs.
Speaker 1: I need an electrician. Don't come over here dancing while
Speaker 1: you're working on the wiring.
Speaker 3: Please. It's just like a very famous famous like it's
Speaker 3: like a tweet or something, but it's like a picture
Speaker 3: and it says like we don't need any more influencers,
Speaker 3: we need gaffers. These shows are dark.
Speaker 1: As shit, real as fuck. Okay, because what Game of
Speaker 1: Thrones case the point?
Speaker 3: Ye?
Speaker 1: Those do you know? All?
Speaker 3: You want to wear big pants and hang out at
Speaker 3: forty one hundred. Now I can't see shit.
Speaker 1: I can't see shit on my TV. You know, hard
Speaker 1: just to get a plumber, I ain't seen the crack
Speaker 1: of years. Put the crack back, okay. Why I'll wear
Speaker 1: a past that fit and then coming in here like
Speaker 1: when I plumb a toilet.
Speaker 3: I like them. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I have a
Speaker 3: deal with lows.
Speaker 2: Click on my TikTok yeah, makeing videos in there. It's
Speaker 2: not flushing.
Speaker 3: It's so crazy that if you were a hot guy
Speaker 3: who had a job, if you were a hot guy
Speaker 3: with a job back in the day, like your reward
Speaker 3: was just being a hot guy and having a job.
Speaker 3: And now if you're a hot guy with a job,
Speaker 3: people are like, you can just become a media personality
Speaker 3: overnight because people are like, I can't believe a hot
Speaker 3: person would do a job. People are so amazed whenever
Speaker 3: a hot person's like, oh I do blood like, they're like, wow,
Speaker 3: this is incredible. I love this.
Speaker 1: I can't believe this. I remember on Love Island this
Speaker 1: past season was this guy Bryce who ended up winning,
Speaker 1: and he's like a beautiful hot man model and he
Speaker 1: would talk a lot about how he would work on
Speaker 1: garbage trucks and that was like the hottest things for
Speaker 1: people on the end of the day. But the sexy
Speaker 1: ass man knows how to do, like we wire a
Speaker 1: garbage truck. Yeah, we got a.
Speaker 3: Job in the world, which now.
Speaker 1: Paying a job, it is we're forgetting that. A lot
Speaker 1: of utility jobs pay very well because we cannot not
Speaker 1: have them.
Speaker 3: I read something recently about how the most if you
Speaker 3: were to pull one profession of people and just rapture
Speaker 3: them all out of the universe, what would cause our
Speaker 3: society to implode the fastest, And it's garbage people. It's
Speaker 3: like I guess, like apparently America can only survive like
Speaker 3: four hours without garbage. People like we.
Speaker 1: Pay ever figures it's a good job and it's never
Speaker 1: going away, never going away.
Speaker 3: Sort of the last line of defense between us and
Speaker 3: the end of society. You know, it's crazy, it's true.
Speaker 1: That's so true, and on so many levels. Because yes, one,
Speaker 1: we need to clear away the garbage. We need to
Speaker 1: be able to drive on our streets. But also there's
Speaker 1: a mental health aspect. If I have to keep all
Speaker 1: my own garbage, then you know, my brain starts to
Speaker 1: get clogged. I start to feel bad about myself if
Speaker 1: there's trash bags in my kitchen. Yeah, garbage men are
Speaker 1: doing work on so many levels. When need to start
Speaker 1: giving them more love? Yeah, and garbage women, gage and
Speaker 1: garbage non binary garbage icons. Yes, I agree with you.
Speaker 1: We'll get back to Carrie here, Carrie says. So Carrie
Speaker 1: said this is technically illegal, but like only technical, lad,
Speaker 1: and I like that for us. So Carrie says, I
Speaker 1: started a small business three years ago, and I deal
Speaker 1: in a very unethical industry where people love to evade
Speaker 1: contract terms.
Speaker 2: And skip out on the bill.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of those. And she says that the
Speaker 1: bill usually runs anywhere between one thousand to forty thousand
Speaker 1: dollars per contract. Those are some big skips, A thousand
Speaker 1: dollars skip. I'm mad for sure, forty k I gotta
Speaker 1: come fight you like, yeah, trunk, Yeah, I gotta get
Speaker 1: a bat.
Speaker 3: I'm sending guys to your home.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because that's enough money to split with the guys, right.
Speaker 3: Exactly, I'm pocketing thirty five and they're both taking two
Speaker 3: point five.
Speaker 2: And they would be like, say less, you could have
Speaker 2: gave them two fifty, and the would have been like.
Speaker 3: This is this is the thing is kind of getting
Speaker 3: help keeps getting cheaper, you know, right, you could break
Speaker 3: legs for two hundred dollars.
Speaker 1: You know, rate for breaking a leg used to be
Speaker 1: much more expensive. And these days, I'm like paid to
Speaker 1: go to boxing classes. So you tell me I can
Speaker 1: whoop ass and get paid.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. That's the thing about going
Speaker 5: to boxing classes for a long time. You're like, I
Speaker 5: don't know if I can if this is helping at all.
Speaker 5: I don't know if this is if this is working
Speaker 5: at all, Like, I don't know if I could fight.
Speaker 1: I mean, so, spar if you want to, if you
Speaker 1: want to get to the level where you're really trying
Speaker 1: to whoop aass.
Speaker 2: He personally, I just like to get there and get
Speaker 2: out my frustration.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I used to get the note a lot from one
Speaker 1: of my boxing instructors, and sometimes I still get it,
Speaker 1: which was like, you know, I'll be throwing the combo
Speaker 1: and they'll be like, why is your like protect your
Speaker 1: face if your jack with one hand, the other hand
Speaker 1: needs to be in front of your face, and I'll
Speaker 1: be hitting people with one face completely open. And then
Speaker 1: I realized after a while it was my superpower because
Speaker 1: I used to always say, like, the best way to
Speaker 1: win a fight is to not get scared, like not
Speaker 1: be scared to get hit. Yeah, you look like a
Speaker 1: crazy person if you don't protect your face.
Speaker 2: This person will do anything.
Speaker 3: I had a friend ones who was like a big talker,
Speaker 3: but one thing that he said was the trick to
Speaker 3: winning a fight is not caring what happens to you exactly.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh my god, it's not diabolical, but it's anything.
Speaker 3: You know. That's why I'm hiring guys.
Speaker 1: Right same, I'm getting a burner funck. But yeah, like
Speaker 1: that's why I'm fuck with people who have nothing to lose.
Speaker 1: If I'm me, somebody I could tell I don't have
Speaker 1: nothing to lose. Oh, you are dangerous to me because
Speaker 1: you'll do anything. That's a crash out for real.
Speaker 3: All my enemies have families and a lot of money.
Speaker 1: Got a way to have an enemy. Yeah, somebody who
Speaker 1: doesn't want to go to prison. Somebody who's like, I've
Speaker 1: done a.
Speaker 3: Bit in their life. I'll tell you.
Speaker 1: That, got a lot of love that their life.
Speaker 2: They got people who will come looking for them the calling.
Speaker 3: Roads around, who are like, it's not worth it. You
Speaker 3: know that.
Speaker 1: I don't have no enemies who are like jail. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: you know CEOs and the joint you got you got
Speaker 1: clout in prison? No no, no, you got it. You
Speaker 1: can take anything you want. So Carrie says, after years
Speaker 1: of chasing money from the big man aka liquor companies,
Speaker 1: advertisement and marketing agencies, et cetera, I decided to see
Speaker 1: what would happen if I seed my lawyer in quotes
Speaker 1: in my demands for payment. Now, listen, I'm a thirty
Speaker 1: two year old woman trying to run a small business
Speaker 1: in a world overseen by the Trump's theen administration.
Speaker 2: I hear, So I know I don't have that long money.
Speaker 1: The idea of having a lawyer on retainer is nothing
Speaker 1: but a pipe dream to me right now. But let's
Speaker 1: manifest lawyer on retainer. Let's manifest it for all of us.
Speaker 1: So what Carrie says is what I do have is
Speaker 1: a best friend who works as a legal assistant and
Speaker 1: has an email address registered to a legal office. Can
Speaker 1: she sew on my behalf?
Speaker 2: Hell no? Is she registered in my province?
Speaker 1: Hell no? Does anyone google anything nowadays? Hell? To the note, absolutely,
Speaker 1: we are in a literacy crisis. I think it's the
Speaker 1: forty six or fifty percent of the country reads at
Speaker 1: a sixth grade level, and people get hired all the
Speaker 1: time without checking diplomas. AI is hiring people you know.
Speaker 1: Indeed is a mess. Everything is a mess. So you
Speaker 1: could definitely get away with this, So Carrie said, I
Speaker 1: noticed quickly that when I seed her and mentioned that
Speaker 1: my legal representation has been copied for transparency, all you
Speaker 1: goody use that word transparency. That's a scrumptuous corporate word. Hey,
Speaker 1: that's right up there with circle back.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 1: So when she would say she was copying them for transparency,
Speaker 1: companies and spokespeople tend to move real fast. Invoices lost
Speaker 1: to the spam folder, in quotes are all of a
Speaker 1: suddenly found instantly, and contract terms are spontaneously remembered. I
Speaker 1: have employed my legal representation in quotes tactic on three
Speaker 1: separate occasions and gotten what's rightfully owed to me each time. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: the corporations get to sit with the fear of pending
Speaker 1: civil suits that will never be filed, and my bestie
Speaker 1: gets some drama in her inbox while she does her
Speaker 1: boring paralegal tasks. My credo has always been do no harm,
Speaker 1: take no shit, stay skimming, and get what's rightfully yours. Carrie, Yes, Carrie,
Speaker 1: we all need a fake lawyer. Yeah we do. I
Speaker 1: have employed this many a time, especially when I first
Speaker 1: moved to Alee, Like it was a lot of freelance
Speaker 1: work and there were no contracts involved. And it's so
Speaker 1: funny because people want you to work on time, but
Speaker 1: they want to pay you late. Like, what the fuck
Speaker 1: is a net ninety? What is the net thirty ninety
Speaker 1: is crazy? And I've seen it net forty five? What
Speaker 1: do you mean you don't have the money but you
Speaker 1: need the services but and then they want to call
Speaker 1: you broke. If you hit them up, You're like, hey,
Speaker 1: I did the job, you loved it. You sent me
Speaker 1: all this praise. Where is my praise in money form?
Speaker 1: I don't want compliments from businesses, but we're not friends.
Speaker 1: I don't need you to build myself esteem, build my
Speaker 1: bank account. So where's the coin? And they'll be like, oh,
Speaker 1: you need the money that bad? Like you you hard up,
Speaker 1: you can't wait. No, don't try to shame me. You're
Speaker 1: the poor one.
Speaker 3: I'm like, you don't have the money you need ninety
Speaker 3: days to pay people Warner Brothers.
Speaker 1: Right, Like I want to be able to gas the
Speaker 1: gas like the bank and be like, damn Bank of America,
Speaker 1: you ain't got it. Huh, that's the the problem. Mortgage loans.
Speaker 1: They're still hurting. Oh you gave all that money to
Speaker 1: open AI.
Speaker 2: Y'all poor.
Speaker 3: It's so convenient that they can take money out of
Speaker 3: my account. Wickedy split with no problem, so fast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that always kind of bumped me about refunds too.
Speaker 1: It's like, I tap my cars, swipe my car, give
Speaker 1: you the cash, whatever the transaction is.
Speaker 2: But then if I need a refund.
Speaker 1: They're like, okay, so three to nine business weeks and
Speaker 1: then we'll get you the money back.
Speaker 3: What do you mean uphill on the way back?
Speaker 2: That's so makes noses uphill on the.
Speaker 3: Way I don't understand. This is the thing is that people,
Speaker 3: This is this is the issue about Like people will
Speaker 3: say to me, you don't understand computers, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: you're right, you know, like I can't, but it's harder
Speaker 3: to put back. And I'm like, I don't know enough
Speaker 3: about computers to say why that wouldn't be the case.
Speaker 1: And that's a great scam that we've seen employed in
Speaker 1: our administration. It's very much employed in how stocks and
Speaker 1: trading and things like that works. Like they put a
Speaker 1: barrier to entry with a bunch of fucking jargon in
Speaker 1: front of you to be like you don't understand what
Speaker 1: pe means, Like you don't understand, Like, yeah, you don't
Speaker 1: understand all of these jargon wars that we made up
Speaker 1: as barriers to enter.
Speaker 2: So now you need me the middleman or like oh,
Speaker 2: you don't understand this so we.
Speaker 1: Don't have to pay you. What?
Speaker 3: No, Yeah, that's why you need pretty simple your imaginary lawyer.
Speaker 2: We all need an imaginary lawyer.
Speaker 3: It's it's so this is this is actually something that
Speaker 3: I've used a lot too. Like I feel like, throughout
Speaker 3: like my early years in LA, just constantly like if
Speaker 3: you had issues with a landlord, just being like hey, great, yeah,
Speaker 3: let me just check this with my lawyer real quick
Speaker 3: and then we'll then we'll chat about it. I remember
Speaker 3: a few years ago my apartment flooded. Oh man, I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: totally fine. They asked us to put a ton of
Speaker 3: stuff on our renter's insurance even though it wasn't our fault.
Speaker 3: What it was is the kid upstairs shot a bb
Speaker 3: gun into a sprinkler and caused like two million dollars
Speaker 3: the damage, which is a mint.
Speaker 1: I know this is a kid, or it's like what
Speaker 1: we call a kid when he had like a like thirty.
Speaker 3: Four yeah counterstrike kid. But no, it was they kept
Speaker 3: asking us to put all this stuff onto our renters insurance,
Speaker 3: and I was like, I feel like the more you
Speaker 3: report to insurance, the like dice here it gets. And
Speaker 3: so they were like, okay, well we're going to move
Speaker 3: you to or you should go somewhere else, and you
Speaker 3: know your renter's insurance will pay for it, but also
Speaker 3: we want you to keep paying rent and your renter's
Speaker 3: insurance will pay for it. And so while we couldn't
Speaker 3: live in the building, they were asking us to pay rent.
Speaker 3: And I was like, that is so interesting. I just
Speaker 3: have to check on the legality of that with my lawyer.
Speaker 3: And they were like, don't bother. It's cool. No worries,
Speaker 3: like don't don't pay right right, they were like, let's
Speaker 3: just see what happens. It's like, even the the implication
Speaker 3: that a lawyer is in your life is enough to
Speaker 3: make people be like all right, never right exactly.
Speaker 1: I think even if you don't have a lawyer, bestie
Speaker 1: with the with the email, Okay, we talk about fishing
Speaker 1: emails on here all the time. Allegedly I never said this,
Speaker 1: but you know, like you know how they be Amazon
Speaker 1: with a O instead of or what a zero instead
Speaker 1: of Oh, I don't know, maybe it's Celeno.
Speaker 3: And Barnes, but the bar is just like.
Speaker 2: A sign instead of an A.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you just tag them, you just add them, copy
Speaker 1: them to the email.
Speaker 3: It's like it's like the Shoots law firm. It's like.
Speaker 1: This is the law firm from watched that show. No
Speaker 1: one checks no one's going to follow up. Maybe you
Speaker 1: all just need to have another email domain. Yeah, get
Speaker 1: a website, Squarespace, psor the show.
Speaker 3: Face well fake lawyer a fake lawyer website.
Speaker 1: But yes, the threat of any type of legality, especially
Speaker 1: when you know that you're doing something that is illegal
Speaker 1: to someone as a to a consumer, is enough for
Speaker 1: most people to deter because they don't want to get
Speaker 1: tied up in court. And I also say, like, if
Speaker 1: you're living or renting, you should definitely know the renter's
Speaker 1: laws in your state. You should know, like, for example,
Speaker 1: one of the biggest things that people get people on
Speaker 1: in California is if you paint your walls, if you
Speaker 1: live somewhere over three years, then they can't charge you
Speaker 1: to repaint it because they have to repaint it anyway
Speaker 1: when you move out, so they can't take that from
Speaker 1: your deposit. But they love to do it because people
Speaker 1: don't know. So it's like you got to do a
Speaker 1: little consumer research. And if you don't want to do
Speaker 1: all that, like Kyle said, you just say that you
Speaker 1: need to consult with counsel and say it like that.
Speaker 1: When you start throwing words at people like that, it works.
Speaker 1: I've done it in the hospital. I have because I
Speaker 1: have an entertainment lawyer. But my entertainment lawyer is not
Speaker 1: going to do anything like outside of that. But I
Speaker 1: was in the hospital when I was getting poetreatment because
Speaker 1: I'm a black woman and I was supposed to be
Speaker 1: getting some type of I think it was like a
Speaker 1: some type of opioid, and opio has made me very
Speaker 1: very sick, and so I had to get Zoe friend,
Speaker 1: which is something that's anti naja with it. But I
Speaker 1: had to stay ahead of the pain after surgery because
Speaker 1: if you get behind it, then you're in pain for hours.
Speaker 1: And so my doctor put me on a schedule because
Speaker 1: I guess I wasn't when I did outpatient like recovery,
Speaker 1: it wasn't working, so he put me on a schedule
Speaker 1: in the hospital.
Speaker 4: This.
Speaker 2: Oh, there's such a nurse.
Speaker 1: Cop pipeline, like the worst people Like that's not all nurses, okay,
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of healers out there, and I
Speaker 1: appreciate the nurses, especially through the shit y'all been through
Speaker 1: with COVID and everything. But you know, but y'all nurses
Speaker 1: know the ones y'all know the pictures that y'all got
Speaker 1: to go check on their patients because they over there
Speaker 1: pinching them or not changing their bed pain and not
Speaker 1: checking out. You know who I'm talking about, the ones
Speaker 1: you want to tag.
Speaker 3: It's half angels and half girls who beat you up
Speaker 3: in high school. Yes, And there's no way to know
Speaker 3: nurse is born. God flips a coin.
Speaker 1: That's it because because my favorite nurses they drive me
Speaker 1: side ultimates, they bump gangst the ram coming into the
Speaker 1: hospital parking lot, and you know they're lit. And then
Speaker 1: you have the ones who are the conservative nurses, probably
Speaker 1: also married to cops, who they have a God complex,
Speaker 1: and so they're seeing people in their most wicked state
Speaker 1: and they get to exert control. And I had one
Speaker 1: of those, unfortunately, and so I was like, I think
Speaker 1: it's time for my medication. I'm like looking at the time,
Speaker 1: but she was like, I don't think you really need it.
Speaker 1: I think because I'm black, she was thinking, I was
Speaker 1: in here, Jones and for some drugs, you know, you
Speaker 1: know them drugs that black people all love so much, like.
Speaker 2: Bitch, are you fucking serious? And so when.
Speaker 1: For drugs, right, I'm gonna go to that link. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna drugs.
Speaker 3: Are everywhere now.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, I need those Blue Cross Blue Shield drugs.
Speaker 1: It's like, believe the hospital name for me, please, but
Speaker 1: I need them drugs in the hospital. No, that's a
Speaker 1: lot of great links when I could probably just go
Speaker 1: to a park, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So she refused and I was like, oh, well that's okay.
Speaker 1: If you are refusing my health care, could you go
Speaker 1: ahead and write it down? And I was like, actually,
Speaker 1: don't even worry about it. I know the shift and
Speaker 1: the time that you're on right now and your information,
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna go ahead and just communicate that to
Speaker 1: my legal team that you were refusing care and we
Speaker 1: can get into it with the hospital. I was like, this,
Speaker 1: this is discrimination and if that's what you choose to do,
Speaker 1: let's go there.
Speaker 2: And she was like, oh no, no no, no, no no no,
Speaker 2: I'll give you.
Speaker 1: I'll give you your stuff. No no, no no no.
Speaker 2: It changed starts something real quick.
Speaker 1: But she did fuck me over a little bit because
Speaker 1: remember why I said that opiloays make me sick. I
Speaker 1: don't think she gave me to write Dosa to zofran,
Speaker 1: so I think it pretty violently. Ill.
Speaker 2: I was like, this bitch, she did this shit on purpose.
Speaker 3: I once had a kind of like weird like neurological thing.
Speaker 3: It was so I think it was it's what it's
Speaker 3: called like a cluster migraine, but it manifests as a stroke,
Speaker 3: so you have stroke symptoms. And I was like, twenty
Speaker 3: three is the scariest thing is that you're like, oh, man,
Speaker 3: like I can't read and I can't talk and my
Speaker 3: arm is numb. And so I taken to the hospital
Speaker 3: in an ambulance and I was in you know, the
Speaker 3: room and everything, and I was lying in bed and
Speaker 3: I was like shaking, and I was like so scared.
Speaker 3: And there was a moment. It's very late at night
Speaker 3: and it's Saint Patrick's day, so people keep coming in
Speaker 3: and they keep being like, oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the hospital lit. I'll say yeah.
Speaker 3: They just kept being like, just police, tell us what
Speaker 3: you took. Like it's fine, it's fine, We're not anyway.
Speaker 3: It was like I was like, he's literally just my
Speaker 3: head is exploding. And so eventually this woman comes in
Speaker 3: it's like two forty five am, it's really late, and
Speaker 3: she comes up to the end of my bed and
Speaker 3: looks at my chart and she like looks at the
Speaker 3: chart and she's like, oh my god, you had a
Speaker 3: stroke and I was like yeah, and she was like
Speaker 3: how old are you? And I was like twenty three
Speaker 3: and she was like, oh my god, baby, and then
Speaker 3: she looked around and she went are you scared?
Speaker 1: What the fuck?
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh my yeah, and she was
Speaker 3: like I bet and then she walked out and I
Speaker 3: never saw her again. And I think about that interaction
Speaker 3: probably I've thought about it every day since.
Speaker 1: It's just like she was like, fucking say it.
Speaker 3: This is I was like, oh my god, at least
Speaker 3: what I think about all the time. I was like,
Speaker 3: maybe like a fifty percent chance that was a real nurse,
Speaker 3: Like that could have been somebody inscrubbed, a lady, some lady.
Speaker 3: I just I'll never ever forget it because it was
Speaker 3: just she was like, I bet you were scared, and
Speaker 3: then gone and I was.
Speaker 2: Like, see you like here to give me any care?
Speaker 3: Just yeah, no, just to check my shit out. I
Speaker 3: had like a friend in the room too. I've I like,
Speaker 3: I like looked over her and she looked at me
Speaker 3: and I was like, that can't be. That can't be sanctioned.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you had a witness, So you didn't feel like.
Speaker 3: Well, that was the thing is that I would have
Speaker 3: doubted that for the rest of my life. Had I not,
Speaker 3: I would have been like, well, that was so manifestation
Speaker 3: of a tortured mind, right.
Speaker 1: But the fact that they were bold enough to do
Speaker 1: it in front of a witness as well, Yeah, scared
Speaker 1: should be. And then they just fade away the.
Speaker 2: Demons. I think you're right, guy's flipping a coin.
Speaker 3: Oh scared.
Speaker 1: God. Well, let's get into the episode today. Let's get
Speaker 1: into my favorite segment, Historic Hoodwings. This is where I
Speaker 1: were a Gale Kyle with a famous con caper group
Speaker 1: of criminals. Maybe we love them, maybe we hate them.
Speaker 1: We'll see along the way. So today we're gonna be
Speaker 1: talking about a fraudulent fro Yo brand that victimized multiple
Speaker 1: pro baseball teams. So teams right now isn't giving individual
Speaker 1: it's giving corporate, it's giving box ownership.
Speaker 2: But we'll see along the way.
Speaker 1: I do think I like baseball players. I guess just
Speaker 1: from a like a health standpoint, It's one of the
Speaker 1: safer sports because you know, football are like getting a
Speaker 1: car crashes the whole time. Basketball you can make a
Speaker 1: lot of money, but then do one wrong trip and
Speaker 1: you're out forever. Baseball players seem to have the longest
Speaker 1: longevity in like high paid sports. But today we're going
Speaker 1: to talk about Krimly. So krimly pronounced, However, I want
Speaker 1: to pronounce it because it's a French company, So maybe
Speaker 1: it's clem Lely, clem lay klema Ly. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'll switch it up.
Speaker 1: So clem Lay claim to make healthy keto French frozen
Speaker 1: yogurt using a two milk. Have you ever heard of
Speaker 1: a two milk?
Speaker 3: A two milk?
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 1: I haven't. Certain breeds of cows produce more A two
Speaker 1: proteins in their milk, and other breeds produce more A
Speaker 1: one proteins. A two milk might cause less bloating gas
Speaker 1: or digestive discomfort than regular milk. A too milk is
Speaker 1: nutritionally the same as other milk and still contains lactose,
Speaker 1: but it's digestive benefits are still questionable. But it's a
Speaker 1: popular way to market your milk. Like we got milk
Speaker 1: that you won't be blowing it up at night, you
Speaker 1: won't be farting.
Speaker 3: I guess it's crazy to live through all these milk
Speaker 3: technological innovations just with they've figured out so many new
Speaker 3: different ways.
Speaker 1: I just want to know, right, I want to know
Speaker 1: who was the weirdo though, who was like seeing cows
Speaker 1: like like baby cows like suck on the utters and
Speaker 1: was like, I wonder what that tastes like?
Speaker 3: You say?
Speaker 1: It was like everybody comes.
Speaker 3: Back to the barn, comes back the barn. Listen, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna need you to not say anything until I've done talking.
Speaker 3: Walk with me, Walk with me, Walk with me.
Speaker 1: Don't that's how I got here. Just come with me
Speaker 1: to the destination.
Speaker 3: You know how every time we eat cookies for like,
Speaker 3: this is almost perfect. I've come up with a crazy idea.
Speaker 1: Literally we were eating oats and water. But what about Yeah,
Speaker 1: this's got something for us, I think she does.
Speaker 3: She's finally ready to help us.
Speaker 1: Finally ready to help us. So Cliny also said one
Speaker 1: hundred percent of their profits were donated to ignite the
Speaker 1: power in girls globally. So they said, we got some
Speaker 1: as to milk. It's not gonna bloat you, it's not
Speaker 1: gonna gas you. It's the best premium. We got that
Speaker 1: good mo moo. Okay, we got moo but also, if
Speaker 1: you buy from us, we're gonna ignite the power in
Speaker 1: girls globally. Kyle, do you have any idea what that
Speaker 1: could mean?
Speaker 3: I I there's two sides of it. It's either we're
Speaker 3: going to educate more girls worldwide so they can get
Speaker 3: more power, or it's like X men experimental, like we're
Speaker 3: giving girls Telegonesis it is? It is really quite vague.
Speaker 1: It's so vague that you can't quantify it, because how
Speaker 1: can I ever be like Clemly didn't it. I haven't
Speaker 1: met any ignited girls, like I mean, I guess Alicia.
Speaker 1: Alicia Keys was like, this girl is on fire. Crimly
Speaker 1: was like, we did that, we ignited her on fire,
Speaker 1: and that was our donation with your proceeds. What what
Speaker 1: do you mean? I love it. I love a vague charity,
Speaker 1: like we don't know where the money goes and we'll
Speaker 1: never know. Yeah, I mean that's why Tom's was so good.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember Tom's shoes, those shoes
Speaker 1: that made everybody's feet stink. But they were like, if
Speaker 1: you buy a pair of shoes, we gonna give a
Speaker 1: pair of shoes. And that's something that's quantifiable. We can
Speaker 1: go see.
Speaker 3: Very easy to sort of understand the level of your investment.
Speaker 3: I got it, I get choose somebody else get shoes exactly.
Speaker 1: But ignition? What am I supposed to ask girls if
Speaker 1: they if they've been ignited by Krimly? How would we know?
Speaker 3: It sounds borderline violent? Right, I don't think I want.
Speaker 1: I don't be ignited.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I don't think so it sounds
Speaker 3: it sounds aggressive.
Speaker 1: And it's the implication is that we need charity to
Speaker 1: ignite the girls. Are the boys already on fire? Like? What?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I want to understand.
Speaker 1: So sports deals, the company had partnerships with many Pro
Speaker 1: baseball teams, including the Angels, Diamondbacks, Red Sox, and Mets,
Speaker 1: and NBA teams like the Knicks and the Celtics. So
Speaker 1: they had some really popular franchises involved in their partnerships,
Speaker 1: and like the Knicks at the time, wasn't that popping?
Speaker 1: But you know now Knicks and five So yeah. In
Speaker 1: January of twenty twenty two, the brand purchased sponsor rights
Speaker 1: to Chase Fields Keystone feature then branded it as Krimly
Speaker 1: Pool Sweet Photograph Show. A massive popsicle sculpture looming in
Speaker 1: the background, with the company's name spelled out in black
Speaker 1: tiles at the pool's bottom, and it lit up in
Speaker 1: white on a sign above. Photographs show a massive popsicle
Speaker 1: sculpture loving in the background, with the company's name spelled
Speaker 1: out in black tiles at the pool's bottom and lit
Speaker 1: up in a white on the sign above. They agreed
Speaker 1: to pay the Diamondbacks more than two point three million
Speaker 1: dollars over five years for this sponsorship. So we're going
Speaker 1: to take a look at this pool suite right now.
Speaker 7: This was our experience being inside the pool suite at
Speaker 7: Chase Field for the Diamondbacks and Dodgers game. We arrived
Speaker 7: to the stadium during the second inning, and the energy
Speaker 7: was insane for the biggest game of the year. If
Speaker 7: you've been to a game at Chase Field, you've probably
Speaker 7: seen this pool, and it would take a whole other
Speaker 7: video to explain why it was even built. When we arrived,
Speaker 7: we got a free towel, and it's basically like a
Speaker 7: regular suite where you get free food and drinks, except
Speaker 7: it's outdoors and it includes a pool and hot tub.
Speaker 7: We got into the pool right away, as surprisingly, the
Speaker 7: water was almost as warm as a hot tub, you're
Speaker 7: able to bring your drink inside, and it was a
Speaker 7: really awesome time, even though the view from the pool
Speaker 7: wasn't great. We come to d Backs games often and
Speaker 7: there's nothing comparable to swimming in a pool with a
Speaker 7: game happening right in front of you. Next to the
Speaker 7: suite is this really cool seating area where we got
Speaker 7: to see superstar players up close. There's also a private
Speaker 7: bathroom and shower, which we didn't get to film.
Speaker 1: Okay, I have been to baseball games. I have this
Speaker 1: feels like who thought of this? Who was like, you
Speaker 1: know what, baseball needs a swimming pool that you can
Speaker 1: watch the game from.
Speaker 3: It's gluttonous, It's this is the thing is we just
Speaker 3: we thought we could improve upon sitting down with beer
Speaker 3: and a hot dog to.
Speaker 1: Having a hot dog and a beer in a.
Speaker 3: Pool at a baseball game.
Speaker 1: At a baseball game, Americans are so gluttonous for entertainment
Speaker 1: that we were like, oh, this, sitting in the base
Speaker 1: like even sitting next to the field, being next to
Speaker 1: the outfield, even like you know, being in the dugout
Speaker 1: with the players, that's not enough of an experience for
Speaker 1: an American consumer. What if we gave them a pool
Speaker 1: to swim in.
Speaker 3: It's unbelievable.
Speaker 1: And we give them hot dogs and and we give
Speaker 1: them beer, and we put them in a pool. Now,
Speaker 1: they said that the pool doesn't give you a great
Speaker 1: view of the game, so it's given a little influencing
Speaker 1: thing to me of like, because I've never gone to
Speaker 1: a baseball game and been like, yeah, I want to
Speaker 1: get wet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what would be what would really take
Speaker 3: this experience the next level is being wet right now.
Speaker 3: This is the thing is if I was in a
Speaker 3: pool at a baseball game and I had a little
Speaker 3: hot dog in a and I had a beer, I'd
Speaker 3: probably be concerned that they were about to put me down.
Speaker 3: You know, like how when you give a dog the
Speaker 3: best day of its life, it's evidence that you're gonna
Speaker 3: kill it. Like when you're like the dogs like wow,
Speaker 3: like Hamburger and right staate, Like really, this is the
Speaker 3: thing is, if I was there, I'd be like, everyone's
Speaker 3: being a little bit too nice to Kyle.
Speaker 1: You know, you're trying to give me several good experiences
Speaker 1: at once, But also is it a good experience to
Speaker 1: be in a pool? They said the pool was almost
Speaker 1: as warm as it was outside. Why is the pool
Speaker 1: not cold? I don't want to be in lukewarm water
Speaker 1: watching sweaty sports. Also, I feel like there's so many
Speaker 1: liabilities here because it's a notorious thing at sporting events
Speaker 1: that people get way too drunk.
Speaker 2: They get carried out.
Speaker 1: Like if I get drunk in the pool and then
Speaker 1: is there a lifeguard at the pool?
Speaker 2: Like is there?
Speaker 3: This is the thing? This is the thing too. It's
Speaker 3: like there's a big thing I think where it's like
Speaker 3: I will enjoy the experience like a hundred times as
Speaker 3: much if I know that other people are denied that experience,
Speaker 3: Like that's like a well documented sort of psychological phenomenon.
Speaker 3: I read this book, yeah, like status and Culture where
Speaker 3: they talked about it. If they got one hundred people
Speaker 3: in a room and they give ten people special presents
Speaker 3: and they told those ten people hate the other people
Speaker 3: they didn't get these presents, their level of happiness skyrockets.
Speaker 3: And if they give everybody in the room presence, people
Speaker 3: are barely affected by it. So I think probably if
Speaker 3: I had to guess the appeal of being in the
Speaker 3: pool at the baseball game, as you look around and
Speaker 3: you say, nobody else is in a pool right.
Speaker 1: Now, You're like, why are you in a pool?
Speaker 3: Even though I don't even really want to be in
Speaker 3: the pool. I'm looking around, like, but nobody else is
Speaker 3: allowed in the pool.
Speaker 1: You know, listen.
Speaker 2: The way my proclivities are set up.
Speaker 1: If someone invited me to the pool, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I was immediately intrigued. It was like, do I need
Speaker 1: to go get it in this pool?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, hell of it, I need to go pay. It's
Speaker 1: like concerts where and I'm guilty of this. I paid
Speaker 1: astronomical amounts to be in the pit of a Beyonce concert,
Speaker 1: and I've gone, like to several iterations like where I
Speaker 1: have friends who faint, so we get seats that are seated.
Speaker 1: But then if I'm going with people I know who
Speaker 1: can like really fuck with the crowd, you know, we're
Speaker 1: standing down there in the it. But I would argue
Speaker 1: that the better experience is to be in a seat
Speaker 1: at a concert like a Beyonce concert, like that a
Speaker 1: close seat where you can still see her stand, dancing everything,
Speaker 1: versus being in a pit crowded with people getting only
Speaker 1: certain angles while everyone else can kind of see every
Speaker 1: angle of the screen. Even if they can't see a
Speaker 1: certain vantage point. But there's something about being down there
Speaker 1: and being like, oh, Beyonce just a sweated on us,
Speaker 1: but like, you know, like I'm body to body with
Speaker 1: all these people. But it's exclusive and we had to
Speaker 1: have all these wristbands. We came through special doors.
Speaker 3: That's that's the question here. Can you even see the
Speaker 3: baseball from the pool?
Speaker 2: He said it was a bad you in the video.
Speaker 1: He said that he was a bit obstructed, And so
Speaker 1: at that point, I'm like, if I'm in the pool,
Speaker 1: I feel like I got to get a workout in
Speaker 1: it or something. I can't really see baseball as long
Speaker 1: as hell anyway, So maybe that would keep me intrigues
Speaker 1: because it's what Yeah, just go and just like that. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: even if I was in that pool feeling dumb as hell,
Speaker 1: you're right that the social experience you talked about.
Speaker 2: If I was one of the ten people who got
Speaker 2: the pool gift.
Speaker 1: Out of the hundred in the room, even if I
Speaker 1: was not enjoying the pool, if it was lukewarm, you know,
Speaker 1: I got the hot dog, which was weirdly shaped, y'all
Speaker 1: see in the video. It was curvy and strange and
Speaker 1: too long. Even if it was giving me the bubble
Speaker 1: gust or something, I'd be in there splitch splashing, like
Speaker 1: I'm having the best time in my life. Y'all ain't
Speaker 1: never been in the pool. You can't even spell pool.
Speaker 1: At the baseball game, I would act like it was
Speaker 1: the best thing that I've ever experienced. So but but again,
Speaker 1: Krimly sponsored this, and there is some irony and being
Speaker 1: like this is a milk that is that Are you
Speaker 1: trying to prove to me that this milk won't make
Speaker 1: me fartherer poop by putting me in a pool and
Speaker 1: giving me like, you know, food that definitely might upset
Speaker 1: my indigestion.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is sort of like yeah, they're they're running
Speaker 3: like a focus group on you. Like it's sort of
Speaker 3: a it's a it's a test, it's a trial.
Speaker 1: Right, They're like, look, everybody in this pool drank Krimly,
Speaker 1: and nobody's cramping, nobody's pooping. What this is creative? Everybody's
Speaker 1: so creative. So photographs show this massive pool, right, we
Speaker 1: see all of this. Angel Stadium in Anaheim had similar
Speaker 1: Krimly ads, including a massive electronic sign in the outfield.
Speaker 1: Krimley agreed to pay the Angels more than three point
Speaker 1: four to five million dollars over five years, including rights
Speaker 1: to an animated between innings race and in game commercials.
Speaker 1: So they paid for the sign they also paid for
Speaker 1: this like animation that would come up on the screen
Speaker 1: and some kind of race. I know that they'll do
Speaker 1: the race the basis thing sometimes, so I don't know
Speaker 1: what the mascot is for Krimly, but here we are.
Speaker 1: One year later, both the Angels and the Diamondbacks were
Speaker 1: suing the company for non payment. Krimly was also sued
Speaker 1: by an upstate New York farm, an Arizona landlord, and
Speaker 1: multiple former employees. So it's giving that Krimlely had enough
Speaker 1: money to install these you know decorations at the bottom
Speaker 1: of the pool, which already existed before Krimley. And then
Speaker 1: they also had enough money for the Angels to change
Speaker 1: like the signage and to get the you know animations
Speaker 1: going for the you know, in between innings things. But
Speaker 1: they weren't actually paying the money for the sponsorships that
Speaker 1: they had promised these teams. But these team owners agreed
Speaker 1: to this without I've never even heard of Krimley. I
Speaker 1: have not either and Krimley did something smart here. They
Speaker 1: kind of put these people on a on at a
Speaker 1: NET five year, a net three year, and we're like, oh,
Speaker 1: y'all actually wanted the money.
Speaker 2: That's crazy. But baseball teams have lawyers. They don't have
Speaker 2: to make.
Speaker 1: Up like you and I s yeah, yeah, yeah, oops,
Speaker 1: no revenue.
Speaker 3: This is this is the thing. There's like this thing
Speaker 3: like the uh It's like it's like launching a spaceship
Speaker 3: and being like, while it's in the air, we're going
Speaker 3: to figure out how to get it down. Like that's
Speaker 3: like a like a true thing that I feel like
Speaker 3: NASA did at one point. They put it. They put
Speaker 3: a spaceship in the air and they're like, we're gonna
Speaker 3: figure out how to get it down, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. I feel like that was sort of the
Speaker 3: Kremley sort of thing. They were like, we're going to
Speaker 3: get all this marketing, we're going to get all this budget,
Speaker 3: and then we're gonna make We're going to make a
Speaker 3: product that works, and we're gonna have a lot of money.
Speaker 1: And just like being paid for services, I would argue
Speaker 1: going up, the going down is the important part. Like
Speaker 1: coming down we really want that, Yeah, you know that's
Speaker 1: a hallmark, and going in the air.
Speaker 3: It's not really kind of a full a full cycle
Speaker 3: unless you come down.
Speaker 1: Yes, I feel like that could have been spirits of
Speaker 1: rip spirit the model because they didn't have any like
Speaker 1: repe like crashes or things like that when they were
Speaker 1: in the air. So yeah, maybe you got to pay
Speaker 1: for your seat belt. You know, maybe we got one
Speaker 1: one bottle of water per oh and y'all got to
Speaker 1: split it in these cubs. But at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, you're gonna land, okay, And isn't that what
Speaker 1: you want? So you're absolutely right. Clemley was not London zipplame.
Speaker 1: This says you want to you want oh you want money?
Speaker 1: Oh that's crazy. Okay. So this next part is called oops,
Speaker 1: no revenue, you know how revenue?
Speaker 2: Like you need that for the company.
Speaker 3: I have heard that. People keep telling me that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, people keep telling me that too.
Speaker 1: They're like, if you have a business, like you got
Speaker 1: to have some revenue. And I'm like, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: Explain that. So the sports news department of The New
Speaker 2: York Times spoke to more than twenty former Kremley employees
Speaker 2: to figure out how the company scammed the MLB teams
Speaker 2: out of millions of dollars worth of stadium ads it
Speaker 2: had no way of paying for since they had no revenue.
Speaker 1: So remember they said that they were going to give
Speaker 1: the girls fire as you know, they were going to
Speaker 1: ignite them as a way of charity. Yeah, they're gonna
Speaker 1: ignite the girls. So what did they actually mean. We've
Speaker 1: talked about that, right, and was that even a lie?
Speaker 1: Or is it a lie? Yeah? We think it's a lie. Guys.
Speaker 1: So since they didn't have profits to give anyone, they
Speaker 1: don't even have to follow through on their vague charitable
Speaker 1: promise to ignite the girls of the US. Okay, So
Speaker 1: the only person who could really answer these questions that
Speaker 1: you know, the New York Times Sports department was asking
Speaker 1: was CEO of Clemley.
Speaker 6: Stephen de la ports and Stephen de la Portas, that
Speaker 6: doesn't sound flange to me, de.
Speaker 1: La Delaporte, it don't sound fronge, but okay. So Steven,
Speaker 1: the CEO was hired to run Clemley by founder Kylie Schuler.
Speaker 1: So this is Kylie here. She's got the blonde dist
Speaker 1: of hair. I know she is in the salon daily
Speaker 1: to keep those roots away yeah, because at that age,
Speaker 1: no one's hair is that blonde. I feel like she
Speaker 1: saw a photo of herself as like a like a
Speaker 1: two year old and she said that forever.
Speaker 3: This this house is also sort of horrifyingly white, like
Speaker 3: there is there is a white couch, white walls, like
Speaker 3: white trim, white table, and then a white porson statue
Speaker 3: of a little baby boy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like a little angel, like a.
Speaker 3: Little This is alarming.
Speaker 1: Even a photo frame that she has in the front
Speaker 1: of the photo to the forefront, it's a silver which
Speaker 1: kind of looks white with the refraction of the light
Speaker 1: on it. Photo of her family that's also in black
Speaker 1: and white, Like, damn, your pictures can't even be in color.
Speaker 1: She's the color is for pores.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay. She's wearing a sort of a sort of
Speaker 3: turquoise sort of top here. I feel like if she
Speaker 3: really wanted to commit a white shirt would have really
Speaker 3: made this sold hire picture able.
Speaker 1: I bet you that Kylie probably had on some white
Speaker 1: and the photographer was like, girl, the white hair and
Speaker 1: a white skitch, white outfit, You're going to fade into
Speaker 1: the couch.
Speaker 3: The white thank you for the picture of this couch.
Speaker 1: Like this couch, the Blue Eyes.
Speaker 3: It's the founder of the Kremly Corporation.
Speaker 1: So yeah, but obviously she's trying to demonstrate wealth because
Speaker 1: you know, white in some spaces, like the actual color
Speaker 1: of it, and especially in furniture and things like that,
Speaker 1: it kind of distinguishes that you live a slow enough lifestyle,
Speaker 1: or your kids are sequestered enough by nanny's that you
Speaker 1: don't have to worry about your white getting you know,
Speaker 1: tarnished or or wear and tear or stained. So I
Speaker 1: get the vibe here. So, Kylie, I'm already starting to
Speaker 1: think you're a scammer, just based on your home decor.
Speaker 1: Like if I was to hire an interior decorator, I
Speaker 1: was like, please make it look like I do crime,
Speaker 1: but like like quiet luxury crime, you know, don't give me.
Speaker 1: Don't give me like scarface, don't give me like drug,
Speaker 1: don't give me like gold and gaudy.
Speaker 2: Give me like you know, white collar.
Speaker 1: Yeah, crimey, evasion, yes, give me fed, give me.
Speaker 3: Federal, give me the nineties, Yes.
Speaker 1: Give me that ned nineties.
Speaker 7: Rabb run.
Speaker 1: So Stephen was hired by miss White Kylie here, who's
Speaker 1: a wealthy Orange County based nonprofit executive, for Global Girls.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: He was a short and stocky man in his sixties
Speaker 1: with gray, slick back hair. In most employees' first interactions
Speaker 1: with him, they said they found him charismatic and even trustworthy.
Speaker 2: Now, being in your.
Speaker 1: Sixties with gray slickback hair and kind of being short
Speaker 1: and stocky is kind of giving me that, you know
Speaker 1: that kind of like maybe like a nice man at
Speaker 1: the airport who sees you struggle in with their bag
Speaker 1: like an overhead and he like, he's not quite tall enough,
Speaker 1: so you got to reach for it first. But on
Speaker 1: the way down it's heavy and he'll he'll put his
Speaker 1: hands under it and help you get it down. He's
Speaker 1: like nice, you know. So he's the guy that highly highed.
Speaker 1: But little do people know about sweet Steven. He had
Speaker 1: a trail of lawsuits following him around all Redden. Also,
Speaker 1: there were no photos of him online, which I don't
Speaker 1: kind of mind, Like if I'm dating someone they don't
Speaker 1: have an online presence, Like I mean, I need you
Speaker 1: to have like a little bit of an online presence,
Speaker 1: but like the kind of like presence where your Instagram
Speaker 1: is private and then when you add me to it,
Speaker 1: it's just like photos of landscapes or like food you
Speaker 1: had on vacation. Like if I see a selfie from like,
Speaker 1: I'm by So if you're a girl and I see
Speaker 1: a selfie that doesn't ring any flags for me. But
Speaker 1: I see too many selfies on a man's page, I'm like,
Speaker 1: what's you got going on?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Facing camera LinkedIn private Instagram is a perfect man is.
Speaker 1: A beautiful private Instagram. You can even have a threads
Speaker 1: or an ex but if I go on your page,
Speaker 1: it should be nothing but retweets. You never actually and
Speaker 1: all you follow is news organizations, sports teams, and maybe
Speaker 1: like a random celebrity like John Cena because he follows
Speaker 1: everybody back right, Yeah, I'll take that. So people can't
Speaker 1: find anything about him. The New York Times reporters like
Speaker 1: couldn't find anything, and they're very good at finding stuff.
Speaker 1: And their employees said that they didn't have pictures of
Speaker 1: their former boss either. So even the employees when it
Speaker 1: was corporate picture day.
Speaker 2: He wasn't in it. He was probably behind the camera,
Speaker 2: like everybody say, cheez.
Speaker 1: As a scammer.
Speaker 3: Great text, they said, Man, he's the best, right.
Speaker 1: He's the best. He's such a like he's given dad
Speaker 1: energy like, like, you know, just like a nerdy little
Speaker 1: dad energy.
Speaker 2: So I feel like if I find a.
Speaker 1: Woman who's, you know, a CEO and I can't find
Speaker 1: a picture of her online, I'm a little more suspicious.
Speaker 1: And if she's the one who's like, you don't what
Speaker 1: we're taking a corporate photo, I'll take the photo. I'm like,
Speaker 1: why you don't want to be in a photo? Girl? Way,
Speaker 1: I don't want to be in a photo. So journalist
Speaker 1: attempted to locate him in person at his address in Arizona.
Speaker 1: One ended up being a private mailbox at a UPS store.
Speaker 1: Another led to a house where Steven no longer lives.
Speaker 1: The Global Girls Now Foundation Kylie's Foundation. Their southern California
Speaker 1: address also ended up being a private mailbox in a
Speaker 1: UPS store. The listed phone number for the foundation was disconnected.
Speaker 1: So you got a foundation, but there's no foundation of communication.
Speaker 1: Oh right, Kylie. So the only way to learn about
Speaker 1: Steven was through old lawsuits that were public record. So
Speaker 1: here as some of his old lawsuits. He was sued
Speaker 1: in two thousand and five for accepting and reselling more
Speaker 1: than two million dollars worth of goods without paying a
Speaker 1: partner their share a ruling from a district judge said
Speaker 1: Steve even was passing invoices from his left hand to
Speaker 1: his right. Yeah, so we can understand that. And apparently
Speaker 1: nobody who was dealing with Stephen in this lawsuit had
Speaker 1: a fake lawyer. So in two thousand and six, he
Speaker 1: pled guilty to a felony for concealing property during bankruptcy
Speaker 1: and was sentenced to probation for a case involved in
Speaker 1: an LLC that he managed. So even when he got,
Speaker 1: you know, in the court system, he was given a
Speaker 1: slap on the wrist. In two thousand and eight, he
Speaker 1: was accused of knowingly mismanaging the finances of Corn guitarist
Speaker 1: Brian Welch.
Speaker 2: Now, why is Corn in it?
Speaker 1: According to Welch's manager, in twenty eleven, Brian filed for
Speaker 1: bankruptcy too. His manager says that Steven had access to
Speaker 1: all of Brian's finances and racked up massive debts through
Speaker 1: various business entities and basically bankrupted this Coorn.
Speaker 2: Artist. The guitarist. Now, I feel like I know Coorn.
Speaker 1: I can't name a song off the top of my head,
Speaker 1: but if I heard one that was popular, I probably
Speaker 1: know it.
Speaker 3: I cannot either, but he looks like he knows what
Speaker 3: he's doing.
Speaker 1: He also this guitarist Brian from Corn, he also looks
Speaker 1: like he was just very involved in guitar. Remember when
Speaker 1: I brought up earlier that if a man brings out
Speaker 1: a guitar, I'm running for the hills, Like I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: they might as well be gunshots because I'm hearing the
Speaker 1: saxophones like I'm house. Yeah, no, because like people who
Speaker 1: are really like especially at this level, Corn is like
Speaker 1: a world famous band, Like I know that man was
Speaker 1: just strumming all day and all night. And look at
Speaker 1: those white man dreads, how long they've gone. Like, no,
Speaker 1: he's not paying attention to finances. He needs somebody else
Speaker 1: to manage that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he chose seemingly.
Speaker 1: Oh definitely, he chose this little, short, little cute, little
Speaker 1: charity uncle to manage his funds. So Madison Square Garning
Speaker 1: suthed Steven in twenty sixteen, saying he failed to pay
Speaker 1: sponsorship fees while marketing Jim Beam nuts under a company
Speaker 1: called Tea Brands. The suit was ultimately dismissed. So he
Speaker 1: beat Madison Square Garden, which is actually a huge feat.
Speaker 1: I'm also a little confused here because I guess now
Speaker 1: that we're in these trying new times where random businesses
Speaker 1: are popping up all the time, maybe larger corporations c
Speaker 1: suites are just allowing new random brands to come in
Speaker 1: and advertise because they're like, oh, the times are changed
Speaker 1: and tech big bro. Because I'm like, typically, aren't most
Speaker 1: corporate sponsorships at this level like brands that are already established,
Speaker 1: like Coca Cola.
Speaker 3: I feel like the first thing you should ask yourself
Speaker 3: before putting a company on the side of your building
Speaker 3: is how I heard of it? Have I ever heard
Speaker 3: of this company?
Speaker 1: Kyle? What's a legit? What's like a corporate brand that
Speaker 1: we could come up with? You think we could convince
Speaker 1: these people to like slap on a billboard?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's a yeah, that's a good question. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Like it should be something that says like scam, but
Speaker 3: like it's like sort of obscure, you know, it's like
Speaker 3: the scam, you know, and it's like a camera brand.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's it.
Speaker 1: Brilliant.
Speaker 3: The space space space space space.
Speaker 1: Cam, s space space cam. The future. That's the view.
Speaker 3: The future, view the futures. I mean, I'd see that
Speaker 3: I'd be like, go to Google. It's yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: we're all it's it's scam. We're already in a ruba.
Speaker 3: We're already gone.
Speaker 1: Wait, this is really good.
Speaker 3: It's so funny. It's so funny. All these companies now,
Speaker 3: like yeah, like all these sort of like tech startups
Speaker 3: because you'll see like you'll see like billboards if you're
Speaker 3: ever walking around New York and they'll be like bimbo,
Speaker 3: like you know, like that's like like like automating printers
Speaker 3: until the end of time, and you're like, yes, what
Speaker 3: I was just.
Speaker 2: Bring infinity to reality?
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah what does that mean? Yeah, you've never
Speaker 3: seen B t B like this. I'm like, I've never
Speaker 3: seen B to B period at all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well what's wrong with you?
Speaker 2: Why you ain't S B B?
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, that's why you need us. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: feel like Skam could definitely we could probably own a stadium.
Speaker 1: There's Crypto Stadium. We still call it. We're still called
Speaker 1: the Staples. We're gonna call it what his mama called it,
Speaker 1: but Crypto Arina, you know, and that's Sam. Yeah, Skam
Speaker 1: could definitely do it. So the lawsuits mentioned that he
Speaker 1: used aliases such as spelling his first name Stephen s
Speaker 1: t E p h e N, so he would drop
Speaker 1: the V and turn it into a pH, or his
Speaker 1: last name as de la Portes, where he would add
Speaker 1: an extra L m hm, so it was Delaporters like
Speaker 1: d E l A p R, but he added an
Speaker 1: extra L to it, so like del computer.
Speaker 3: Okay, he was trying to get more French with it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it was never French in the first. But
Speaker 1: you know what, that makes sense though, because think about
Speaker 1: how many CEOs of companies, especially in America, they're selling
Speaker 1: a brand that isn't American or it is foreign or whatever.
Speaker 1: It makes sense. You know, there's always a white guy
Speaker 1: at the top, so they're like, this makes sense.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 1: So his name is Tony Mcaroni and he runs the
Speaker 1: right Tony Macaroni of.
Speaker 3: I.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that makes sense. So, or he would register
Speaker 1: his businesses under his mother's name. I like that as
Speaker 1: a reverse scam instead of like you know, hope some
Speaker 1: people will like put their kids on their cable bill
Speaker 1: and stuff.
Speaker 2: It's like I'm gonna put my mom on my businesses.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's very very rare, which is also a little rude
Speaker 1: to your mom. Because she only gave you nine months
Speaker 1: free rent in her uterus and now you're now you're
Speaker 1: getting her name.
Speaker 3: Now she's doing n Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So Clemly was his latest business venture. So Clemly's
Speaker 1: crimes under Steven Kremley hired employees in rapid secession, many
Speaker 1: leaving stable jobs in the food and beverage industry, lured
Speaker 1: by Krimly's high salaries, future company equity and their beautiful
Speaker 1: Scottsdale office. If this don't sound like San Francisco to me, okay,
Speaker 1: because these AI companies they have been running through big tech,
Speaker 1: like we got a bigger salary for you, We have
Speaker 1: like all of these things like come over here, you're
Speaker 1: gonna get stock options.
Speaker 2: You're fourk gonna be bopping.
Speaker 1: So yeah, they and I also hate this for the
Speaker 1: people who are working real jobs and making great salaries
Speaker 1: to be tricked. So they hired Brendan Cunningham, a well
Speaker 1: respected sports marketing professional, and they got him away from
Speaker 1: the Diamondbacks. His background helped build trust in the negotiations
Speaker 1: with the MLB teams because they were like, we know
Speaker 1: Brendan from where he previously worked, and a lot of
Speaker 1: startup companies will do this. They'll hire like established people
Speaker 1: with relationships to gain credence. So Vice president Eddie Essner
Speaker 1: left a high ranking job at Coca Cola. Eddie, Edi, No,
Speaker 1: you should have talked to that polar bear first, like
Speaker 1: what were you doing? But one employee described their work
Speaker 1: as a ghost job and quotes saying they watched YouTube
Speaker 1: clips for hours on end. Krimley gave that employee a
Speaker 1: raise and double the size of their department. At its peak,
Speaker 1: Krimley had more than fifty employees in its sales, it,
Speaker 1: social media and more so. People came over to Kremley
Speaker 1: and they were like, I'm not even working for real,
Speaker 1: Like I'm just chilling and collecting a check. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: question it, but at the same time I would be
Speaker 1: on Indeed, I'll call Coca Cola back like I love y'all, Like.
Speaker 3: Please, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, buy me back, Buy me
Speaker 3: back from this crushy job where I do nothing but
Speaker 3: watch you.
Speaker 1: Too, Because you know, if it's too good to be true,
Speaker 1: it is.
Speaker 3: If you're having too much fun at your job, everybody's
Speaker 3: about to go to jail very soon. It's like a
Speaker 3: Hallmark role.
Speaker 1: Yo, that's real shit. I have even with like podcasting, acting, writing, all.
Speaker 2: I follow my dreams.
Speaker 1: And everyone said, if you follow your dreams, you'll never
Speaker 1: work a day in your life. That is a fucking lie,
Speaker 1: especially if you're in an entrepreneurial field. You will work
Speaker 1: every day. You will work seven days a week. But
Speaker 1: you but you love it, so you keep coming.
Speaker 3: You you will work in your mind. When you're supposed
Speaker 3: to be.
Speaker 1: Doing others, Oh my goodness, you will be somewhere having
Speaker 1: the time of your life. I can't tell you how
Speaker 1: many times I've been like on vacation with my friends,
Speaker 1: throwing ass on the beach and I'm like also like
Speaker 1: surveying the crowd.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, what is this brand? You know what,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna look this up. Let me put my notes
Speaker 2: at like this is a good episode.
Speaker 1: Or I'm talking to people and learning shit and I'm like,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, I'm supposed to be having fun. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you'll work forever. But I love it. I love it
Speaker 1: so much.
Speaker 2: But you're right, it's a if it's a clock in,
Speaker 2: clock out type job.
Speaker 1: If it's the type of job where you can just
Speaker 1: move to another company that does the same exact thing, yeah,
Speaker 1: a little bit of it shouldn't be fun, Like I
Speaker 1: want you to have fun. I want y'all have ice
Speaker 1: cream socials and cover retreats. But if it's too lit,
Speaker 1: it might not be legit.
Speaker 3: Well, then the thing is, it's like if everybody else
Speaker 3: is having as much fun as I am, we're probably
Speaker 3: going under soon, you know what I mean? Because who's
Speaker 3: Who's who's maximizing profits for the shareholders? It's not me,
Speaker 3: I can tell you that much.
Speaker 1: No, it needs to be like that SpongeBob meme where
Speaker 1: me and Patrick outside frolicking and squibvers inside the eye
Speaker 1: like looking at us all, man, somebody has to be squidward.
Speaker 1: If there's no squitze, we're in trouble. We're in trouble.
Speaker 1: If there's no mister crabs, we're in trouble. And that's
Speaker 1: a very millennial.
Speaker 3: Reference for every personality. Higher you need, like a back
Speaker 3: end engineer who's just barely yeaving on.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, so stressed, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like they're they're twenty four and they're going great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: somebody has to do the work. So they had more
Speaker 1: than fifty employees. They had them in sales, it, social
Speaker 1: media and more. That wasn't enough to fill the big
Speaker 1: Scottsdale office though, So they also have infrastructure. And I
Speaker 1: think these are the great makings of a scam, because
Speaker 1: if I walk into a building that looks like it's
Speaker 1: a corporate building, it's in Scottsdale, so you know it's
Speaker 1: probably like sprawling.
Speaker 2: There's hell of rock gardens and shit.
Speaker 1: You know it's looking legit, but he's trying to It
Speaker 1: feels like Stephen was like, I need this to look
Speaker 1: like a real company. So we need You can't walk
Speaker 1: into the office and all the cubicles are empty. We
Speaker 1: need we need a bunch of like women in tight sweaters,
Speaker 1: like typing. We need phones ringing constantly. We need the
Speaker 1: atmosphere of office. So Systens, a landlord, eventually filed a
Speaker 1: lawsuit for unpaid rent. The case was settled out of
Speaker 1: court in twenty twenty five. So Stephen was paying for
Speaker 1: wasn't paying rather for this corporate office space. And then
Speaker 1: eventually the corporate office people were like, where's our money,
Speaker 1: and he was like, babes net ninety.
Speaker 3: Ninety on red ninety. It seems like this guy never
Speaker 3: paid for anything. It seems like the bills kept coming
Speaker 3: and he kept turning on the shredder.
Speaker 1: He was allergic to bills. You know, he had an allergy.
Speaker 3: It's a real condition.
Speaker 1: It's very I'm also allergic to bills. I get hives
Speaker 1: the first of the month. I'm just like, I just
Speaker 1: start itching. So these are the ads, right, we're getting
Speaker 1: to the end of this. Krimley's early ads featured the
Speaker 1: so called authentic French yogurt with the Eiffel Tower in
Speaker 1: the background. They said the company would give away one
Speaker 1: hundred percent of its profits. Remember now they're saying to
Speaker 1: empower girls globally, but earlier they were.
Speaker 2: Saying to ignite them.
Speaker 1: They claimed the yogurt was made with the help of
Speaker 1: top chefs and nutritionists, using sheep's milk to keep the
Speaker 1: yogurt lactose free and keto friendly. So now we've expanded
Speaker 1: into the Krimly yogurt. Remember before it was the Krimly
Speaker 1: milk with the special cows that didn't give you gas.
Speaker 1: Now they're doing the Krimly sheep's milk yogurt. Now I
Speaker 1: know that as someone who is lactose in tolerant goat's
Speaker 1: milk does it doesn't make you as like irritable as
Speaker 1: cow's milk. So okay, and we're looking at the ad here.
Speaker 1: I mean, if I saw this ad, I would think, Look,
Speaker 1: they got the little till.
Speaker 2: Day on the e.
Speaker 1: Clemly, it's Clemly, and they got the little French flag
Speaker 1: colors on top of that. Whoever their graphic designer is,
Speaker 1: I'm fucking with it, you know, like they do. It's
Speaker 1: French as Okay, I'm gon I'm gonna take one by
Speaker 1: and be like home we went, and then I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go rob the loof.
Speaker 3: Okay again, they get.
Speaker 1: Robbed all the time, Kyle. These they get robbed.
Speaker 2: That's not part of their ministry.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the PR team is setting that up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, robbery. Yeah we need another robbery. Y. Also, we
Speaker 1: can get people up in here. Yes, that's what they do.
Speaker 1: So early on employees traveled to New York to pitch
Speaker 1: Madison Square Garden and they closed the deal.
Speaker 2: Apparently no one remembered the.
Speaker 1: Twenty sixteen Madison Square Garden lawsuit because remember, Steven's been
Speaker 1: changing his name. He got his MoMA on the LC,
Speaker 1: so they don't remember. Now that he's got a new brand.
Speaker 1: It doesn't even feel familiar. And this brand looks sexy.
Speaker 1: If Krimley was like, we're gonna sponsors scam goddess, I'm
Speaker 1: like m ho ho Lasi and I love Krimly, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Jod Krimely, Joe Clemelee.
Speaker 2: And my name, my first name is French, so you know,
Speaker 2: I feel like I could be up in here.
Speaker 1: So to be fair, Krimley did experiment with frozen yogurt
Speaker 1: recipes and even landed on one that reportedly tastes pretty good,
Speaker 1: but it was impossible to scale. So maybe they were
Speaker 1: just sending out like packaging like individually in dry ice,
Speaker 1: but they're just whipping it up in the kitchen like
Speaker 1: it's thirfry. But it was not scalable. It's not in
Speaker 1: retail stores. They don't have a factory. The few places
Speaker 1: where they set up retail stands to actually sell the yogurt,
Speaker 1: like in sports stadiums, there would often be nothing to sell,
Speaker 1: which Kyle to bring it back to your beautiful song board,
Speaker 1: you know, bird voice. This would still work on me
Speaker 1: because you have this reputation of being this you know,
Speaker 1: who am I thinking of?
Speaker 2: Andrea Celli and.
Speaker 1: We got there, so you know when you were back
Speaker 1: when you were Andre Bachelli and you were like, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: can't use my pipes. Currently, not having anything to sell
Speaker 1: to me gives like, damn Crime is so good that
Speaker 1: it's sold out by the time I got to the stand.
Speaker 3: I have never once been able to get my hands
Speaker 3: on kremlely because I'm not good enough for it.
Speaker 2: I'm not getting enough.
Speaker 3: I don't serve Kremley.
Speaker 1: I like that, And as someone who I know has
Speaker 1: been reached out for many brand partnerships, you have significant following,
Speaker 1: and rightfully so, I like your content, but like I
Speaker 1: could understand like having a front facing image and then
Speaker 1: not having anything to sell because the exclusivity of it
Speaker 1: all is what it is. It's like when they used
Speaker 1: to do those PR boxes and it would be like
Speaker 1: those random big red boots or things that were never
Speaker 1: for sale.
Speaker 2: They were just marketing campaigns so you can never buy it.
Speaker 3: There was like a thing like the guy who took
Speaker 3: over at Hydroflask was like just start making fewer bottles,
Speaker 3: like and then they just became like this like big collector,
Speaker 3: like this collector obsession, and it's like their water bottles
Speaker 3: like he literally just like applied like sneaker scars yeah,
Speaker 3: and like people were like, well, what does it say
Speaker 3: about me that I can't get the water bottle I want?
Speaker 1: Yeah, scarcity dynamics, I mean, Armes does it too. Like
Speaker 1: even if you have the money for the Kelly, you know,
Speaker 1: they might be like, oh, if you're not famous or
Speaker 1: you're not that you have to get on a waiting
Speaker 1: list or you know, diamonds do it as well. There's
Speaker 1: so many shiny rocks in the world, but the beers
Speaker 1: knows how to hold onto them, bitches, so you're thirsty
Speaker 1: for them.
Speaker 3: I'm still on the list for Criminally.
Speaker 1: I am. Yeah, I'm and I'm a brand ambassador for Criminally.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, yeah, they're totally empty.
Speaker 2: They're totally empty, but I unbox them.
Speaker 1: But then when I'm unboxing it, I open it and
Speaker 1: there's just a light shining on my face from the box.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, guys, I wish I could show you
Speaker 1: what's inside here, but they told me I signed an NDA.
Speaker 1: But if you want to know, buy your own box
Speaker 1: of Criminally and unboxing yourself. When you keep that going,
Speaker 1: that'd be a great influencer. Scam actually, yes, or scam
Speaker 1: and we just send people to escam and they open
Speaker 1: the box. We just put one big ring light in
Speaker 1: it that turns on when you open it, and people
Speaker 1: are like, oh my gosh, guys they do a little
Speaker 1: in look. Oh my gosh, You're never gonna people are
Speaker 1: always asking me, you know, and yeah, we could do that.
Speaker 2: So wrap this up.
Speaker 1: The farm lawsuit, Oh Steven, these lawsuits. So in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two, Upstate New York based Ronnie Brook Farms entered
Speaker 1: into a five year partnership to produce coma. The cows
Speaker 1: are suing.
Speaker 3: Him class actions.
Speaker 1: The cow class action is crazy. Okay, they're coming in
Speaker 1: with neck braces on. They utters like, you don't know
Speaker 1: what we've been through. You do not know what we've
Speaker 1: been through. So they had a five year partnership to
Speaker 1: produce Clemely products. Krimly promised to farm a minimum of
Speaker 1: forty million dollars in sales by the final.
Speaker 2: Year end of the deal.
Speaker 1: It seems like Stephen almost was trying to create a
Speaker 1: real product.
Speaker 2: They had a sample.
Speaker 1: They have now enlisted a farm, but by late twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three, the payments stopped, threatening the farm's entire business.
Speaker 1: So one, Oh McDonald, baby, why were you putting all
Speaker 1: your eggs in the krimly basket. If they can bankrupt you,
Speaker 1: you are not diversified enough in your sales of the
Speaker 1: utter So Ronney Brooks sued Krimley after it fell one
Speaker 1: hundred and ninety six thousand dollars behind on payments. I
Speaker 1: like that Ronnie Brooke got in there early because Krimley
Speaker 1: said forty million by the end of the deal, and
Speaker 1: when one hundred ninety six thousand didn't show up, they
Speaker 1: didn't just keep believing.
Speaker 2: They went straight to the court.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The Angels and Diamondbacks have also sued Krimly for failing
Speaker 1: to pay for the advertising the teams provided at their stadiums.
Speaker 1: What's funny to me is like, sometimes you gotta cut
Speaker 1: your loss because it's obvious that Kumeley.
Speaker 2: Don't have no coin.
Speaker 1: So y'all are probably gonna pay more in lawyer's fees
Speaker 1: than you're gonna recoup. At this point, you might have
Speaker 1: to just take an l on the klemly So sports lawsuits.
Speaker 1: Krimlely owes the Angels four hundred thousand dollars and the
Speaker 1: Diamondbacks are out three hundred and fifty eight thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: I also want to say that this money is it's
Speaker 1: imaginary money because unless you paid for the signage and
Speaker 1: the installment and stuff yourself, basically what you're suing for
Speaker 1: is lost that you would have recouped from someone that
Speaker 1: was a legitimate business. So technically you didn't give Krimly
Speaker 1: any money. You gave them the opportunity, and they were
Speaker 1: supposed to give you money for that opportunity. It's like
Speaker 1: if I go do a you know, acting job or whatever,
Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, actually, we're not going to pay you.
Speaker 1: It's like, my services are important and expensive, and yes,
Speaker 1: I could have been doing something somewhere else, and it's
Speaker 1: valuable for sure, but I can't exactly say I gave
Speaker 1: you a good or a service. Well, I guess I
Speaker 1: gave you a service. You know why am I trying
Speaker 1: to talk myself out of this?
Speaker 3: I actually you're such a big fan.
Speaker 2: I felt like some own biles right now, the mental gymnastics.
Speaker 1: I just tried to go there.
Speaker 2: Oh it's not working. I got the twisted.
Speaker 1: Free Mahomie Kremly free o FREEO. So the lawsuits also
Speaker 1: say that Krimly was attempting to pass off third party
Speaker 1: ice cream brands as their own.
Speaker 2: Now y'all took the Agendah's logo off and put on
Speaker 2: the crime leave.
Speaker 1: One former marketing employee said that he was told to
Speaker 1: create krimly labels to place on generic ice cream. The
Speaker 1: employee said it was just ice cream, and they were
Speaker 1: selling that it was authentic French frozen yogurt that was
Speaker 1: also Keto. And nowadays, in you know, our fascist state,
Speaker 1: we all know we really can't trust a label or
Speaker 1: a logo. But if I see Keto ice cream, I'm
Speaker 1: not taking it to the lab. I'm eating it and
Speaker 1: feeling good. Yeah, you know what I mean. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm in ketosis in my mind. So in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: Two, an email from Cunningham to the Angels said that
Speaker 2: none of the soft served machines are working properly.
Speaker 1: Now y'all pulled Themcdonald's and and and the McDonald's workers
Speaker 1: have come out. Did you know this time they come out.
Speaker 3: And it's broken. We just don't. We just hate doing it.
Speaker 2: They said it's a bitch to clean.
Speaker 3: So it's so because if someone if I should have
Speaker 3: an ice cream and someone said no, it's a bitch
Speaker 3: to clean, I'd say Okay, I'd be like, I get that.
Speaker 2: You're a sweetheart.
Speaker 3: Me.
Speaker 2: If you say it's a bitch to clean, I'd be like, well,
Speaker 2: I guess you're.
Speaker 1: Gonna be cleaning the night because I because I'm having
Speaker 1: ice cream, and I'm also gonna watch you make it
Speaker 1: because i know you mad, so don't spitting it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So, when there was a product to sell, it was
Speaker 1: so thick it often broke the ballpark machines. So if
Speaker 1: they had a machine to put the I was gonna say, splooge,
Speaker 1: it's terrible the gunk in there to freeze it. It
Speaker 1: would break the machines because they basically they' putting cement
Speaker 1: in the ship because they don't know how ice cream works,
Speaker 1: because they don't know how milk works. They don't know
Speaker 1: how any of this work. So we have a whistleblower
Speaker 1: and typically sometimes I'll call these people haters. It depends
Speaker 1: on the scenario.
Speaker 3: Depends on the scenario.
Speaker 1: But also I say this and I want to shout
Speaker 1: out if I know you're listening. One of my fans
Speaker 1: who came to the show and she brought me some
Speaker 1: mushrooms too cool as fuck. This was in San Francisco,
Speaker 1: but She told me that I always say on this podcast,
Speaker 1: if you are a national born hater, just channel that
Speaker 1: hate into a hater profession. So if you're a hater,
Speaker 1: maybe get into like towing companies, or you.
Speaker 2: Know, get into accounting.
Speaker 1: She was like, I'm actually in school right now to
Speaker 1: get my accounting major because I'm a pocket watcher. So
Speaker 1: I want to be in people's finances. I want to
Speaker 1: audit people. And I was like, I love that because
Speaker 1: even though it is a hater job and I might
Speaker 1: be mad at if you're auditing me, at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, it's a necessary job.
Speaker 2: We wouldn't function without haters.
Speaker 1: Everybody be having too good of a time, like you said, Kyle,
Speaker 1: and then we're all going under.
Speaker 2: We need the haters.
Speaker 3: We need a little acid. We need just a little
Speaker 3: acid in our society. You know, every dish.
Speaker 2: Yes, it brightens it, it brightens.
Speaker 3: It's just a little bit. I'm like, I understand now.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 1: By July twenty twenty three, the lack of revenue remember
Speaker 1: oops and no revenue resulted in major layoffs. A whistleblower
Speaker 1: started sending mass emails to company employees from anonymous accounts.
Speaker 1: In addition, to including embarrassing allegations about Krimly executives. The
Speaker 1: whistleblower said they wanted to expose the reason for the layoffs,
Speaker 1: tying them to Stevens's record of fraud. So somebody got
Speaker 1: Steven's real name and then they went in an anonymous
Speaker 1: email and started gathering information. And that's what this whole
Speaker 1: show is about, gathering information and sharing it with one another.
Speaker 1: That's how we keep each other safe. So I like
Speaker 1: this hater a lot avoir Crimally. This is the end here.
Speaker 1: Krimerally is now dissolved, leaving many former employees searching for
Speaker 1: new jobs that they were poached from high end jobs.
Speaker 2: I know homeboy was calling Coca Cola back.
Speaker 1: Like please.
Speaker 3: Listen, listen.
Speaker 1: I know somebody was calling like doctor Peppa, Babe, man
Speaker 1: hi yah me back do do do?
Speaker 2: But so it's dissolved and it left all these people unemployed.
Speaker 1: They abandoned the Scottsdale office and left everything behind. Look
Speaker 1: at how they.
Speaker 2: Left this behind. It looks like they were running from
Speaker 2: the face.
Speaker 1: There's boxes everywhere. Did they trash it when they left
Speaker 1: it behind?
Speaker 2: I feel like you could have just walked down.
Speaker 3: There's like a tipped over a table that looks like
Speaker 3: it's been like set on fire and demolished.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm sure the people who own this office space
Speaker 1: were like, what the helly, but it's given a fans
Speaker 1: came and you flipped the table over.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that one.
Speaker 2: Dave Chappelle would be where he's playing George Bush and he's.
Speaker 1: Like the water over just runs. That's what they did.
Speaker 1: Multiple employees said that they were never technically terminated, only furloughed,
Speaker 1: and as it was result, never received Severn's Ooh, that's
Speaker 1: a mean lick. People have families, people, you know, they
Speaker 1: need their money. Meanwhile, Stephen, what do you think Stephen did?
Speaker 1: This is the last point in this episode. What do
Speaker 1: you think Stephen did?
Speaker 3: I think Stephen drove Film and Louise Style off a
Speaker 3: cliff in his car. Oh, Kyle, is that true?
Speaker 1: Stephen is what I call a serial entrepreneur.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I know he works in the Trump administration.
Speaker 3: Now he's right. Probably he's the head of advertising for
Speaker 3: the White House.
Speaker 1: Stephen became the new CEO for Clean Bottling Co. And
Speaker 1: entered an agreement with Alkaline eighty eight in late twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three to produce products for the brand. A financing
Speaker 1: company separate like a separate bottling company, and an employee
Speaker 1: are already suing Alkaline eighty eight.
Speaker 2: Stephen said, rinse repeat.
Speaker 3: He said, listen, players gotta play. I just you know,
Speaker 3: he's a he's a dog man. He's it's his nature.
Speaker 1: And you know what, maybe it's I feel like Steven's charisma,
Speaker 1: even though I haven't seen his face, it's his crimes.
Speaker 1: Charisma has jumped through the phone from me, and I
Speaker 1: understand how he's not in prison.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the fact that he scams Madison Square Garden and
Speaker 3: then he was like I got a new company, can
Speaker 3: I come back? And they were like, yeah, you little
Speaker 3: you little scamp, We love you.
Speaker 1: And maybe they never saw his face either, because maybe
Speaker 1: he's not a line.
Speaker 2: He's not showing his size.
Speaker 1: He's not in the pictures, so maybe they were having
Speaker 1: zoom calls and his camera was always off.
Speaker 3: He's sort of like a faceless entity. He's like a
Speaker 3: he's like he's like a scam assassin. He's he's in
Speaker 3: a scams and like he just sort of like appears
Speaker 3: and disappears after the job is.
Speaker 2: Done, right, he gets his money and he disappears.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh man.
Speaker 1: He's not a good guy because a lot of people
Speaker 1: are unemployed and they didn't get hate and they didn't
Speaker 1: get severance.
Speaker 3: And the greatest crime is that so many people who
Speaker 3: were in keytosis became out of ketosis or even worse,
Speaker 3: a lot of people who are lactose intolerant.
Speaker 2: Oh no, they were on the toilet.
Speaker 3: Oh no, they something happens, Something happens.
Speaker 1: Did he induce on people?
Speaker 3: He's a super villain, It's what he is. He is.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Well, final thoughts from you, Kyle, What do you think
Speaker 1: about this scam? Do you love it? Do you hate it?
Speaker 1: Is it?
Speaker 2: Or you could be somewhere in between?
Speaker 3: You know, Nuance, I'm conflicted. I'm conflicted because a part
Speaker 3: of me knows it's not real, but I still feel
Speaker 3: like I wish I had krembly because so few people
Speaker 3: got to have it, And a part of me is, yeah,
Speaker 3: a part of me is like, you know, this guy sucks.
Speaker 3: This guy, you know is terror I think that I
Speaker 3: do think the greatest crime is that against the lactose intolerance. Yeah.
Speaker 3: That that's a community that's been through quite a bit.
Speaker 3: Everywhere they go, people make fun of them. And I
Speaker 3: think that those are the people who I feel the
Speaker 3: worst for, and I think that they will have their
Speaker 3: retribution on on Stephen, whether on this earth or or
Speaker 3: or in heaven or hell.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they have to. I hope it's real, gassy and health.
Speaker 3: It's good, it's it's gonna be the it's gonna be horrible.
Speaker 2: Let in tolerance.
Speaker 1: Some of the strongest soldiers, they literally have to walk
Speaker 1: around with them fart pills.
Speaker 2: Lady, imagine being at a nice restaurant and you're.
Speaker 3: Like, hold on, real much, hold on, I'm so sorry
Speaker 3: I have to take Yeah, yeah, it's a it's it's
Speaker 3: a it's a it's an exploited class of people, and
Speaker 3: it's it's it's quite a problem.
Speaker 2: Yes, I agree with you. I agree with everything that
Speaker 2: you just said.
Speaker 1: Uh, Kyle Prue, thank you so much for being on
Speaker 1: the show today. What a freaking delight you are.
Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. It's such a ball.
Speaker 1: I'm glad. We always ask at the end of our show,
Speaker 1: where would you like to be fat? Where can people
Speaker 1: find you upcoming projects, your book, everything?
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, you can find me on all socials Zach,
Speaker 3: Kyle Prue, and in October, listen to the Get Worst podcast.
Speaker 3: Uh it'll be wherever, wherever you get those, wherever you
Speaker 3: find them, that's where will.
Speaker 1: Be yes and it's always uh. Snitch on your friends
Speaker 1: and family at scam gootspot at gmail dot com. Carrie,
Speaker 1: thank you for giving us all a frank lawyer. Y'all
Speaker 1: know I love an Abugato. I'm in there, yes, and
Speaker 1: then you can get my book, Sam Goddess wherever books
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