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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Thursday edition Clay Travis Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us.

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Speaker 1: We roll through the biggest stories across the land. Bill

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Speaker 1: O'Reilly will join us in the next hour. We'll see

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Speaker 1: if he stays committed to his idea that Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: is not going to be the nominee for the Democrat Party.

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Speaker 1: He has made that argument, he continues to make that argument.

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Speaker 1: We talked about it earlier this week that we would

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Speaker 1: ask him to come on and get his logic, so

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Speaker 1: that should be a fun conversation. Also, we've got updates

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Speaker 1: potentially on the Trump Department of Justice investigation that we

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Speaker 1: will get into. Both Buck and myself believe that Trump

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Speaker 1: will get charged by Joe Biden's Department of Justice because

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Speaker 1: they want to have him in front of courts, not

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Speaker 1: only in New York City, not only Atlanta, where it

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Speaker 1: looks like charges are going to come down, most likely

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Speaker 1: sometime in early August. But I think there's a decent

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Speaker 1: chance in the next sixty days we will get the

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Speaker 1: Jack Smith Independent Counsel report, and that will lead to

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Speaker 1: I believe charges being filed against Trump. We will discuss

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Speaker 1: the latest as it pertains to that, but the person

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Speaker 1: who should be charged with crimes certainly Hunter Biden. And

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Speaker 1: they tried to sort of keep Joe Biden from being

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Speaker 1: directly implicated in the massive million dollar, multimillion dollar pay

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Speaker 1: days that have surrounded the Biden crime family, and most

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Speaker 1: of the time in the media buck there isn't really

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Speaker 1: a discussion about just how corrupt Joe Biden is. But

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Speaker 1: there was finally. We don't get Biden himself in front

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Speaker 1: of the press very often, so it's hard to have

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Speaker 1: questions asked of him. Unfortunately, they hide him in the

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Speaker 1: White House as they have for most of the last

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Speaker 1: two plus years. John Kirby, however, was asked about this

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Speaker 1: when a reporter claimed, what is true that the majority

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Speaker 1: of Americans believe Joe Biden is corrupt? This is factually accurate.

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Speaker 1: Now listen to cut six.

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Speaker 2: There's one committee trying to get an FBI file alleging

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Speaker 2: that President Biden took bribes. There's another I RS was

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Speaker 2: a blower, misilligion, there's a cover up, an investigation. The

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Speaker 2: middle of this, there was a Harvard Airishole this month

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Speaker 2: that found that fifty three percent of the public, including

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Speaker 2: a fourth of Democrats, believe, quote, Joe Biden was involved

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Speaker 2: with his son in an illegal influence pedaling scheme. There's

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Speaker 2: of course evidence that the president interacted with his relatives

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Speaker 2: associates from China, Mexico, Kazakhstan and Russia and Ukraine. So

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Speaker 2: what do you say to the majority of the Americans

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Speaker 2: who believe that the president is himself corrupt?

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Speaker 3: Wow, yes, President, the president.

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Speaker 1: The President has spoken to this.

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Speaker 3: The President has spoken to this and there's nothing to

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Speaker 3: these claims.

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Speaker 1: Oh, that's not true. And certainly the President really hasn't

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Speaker 1: addressed him in great detail. That's a fabulous question. Buck

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Speaker 1: Good was very We ripped media a lot. That was

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Speaker 1: a pretty well crafted and delivered question. It was very good.

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Speaker 4: And the President has spoken to it in the sense

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Speaker 4: that a few times he has made claims, meaning Joe

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Speaker 4: Biden has made claims that are demonstrably false. He claimed

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Speaker 4: in the twenty twenty election cycle to know nothing of

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Speaker 4: Hunter's business dealings. We know from the laptop and from

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Speaker 4: further information that's come to light that, Yeah, Joe Biden

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Speaker 4: was certainly aware that Hunter Biden was doing stuff. Maybe

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Speaker 4: he didn't know every detail, but I don't think Joe

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Speaker 4: Biden knows every detail of anything that's going on in

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Speaker 4: his own life, and hasn't for a while. I think

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Speaker 4: that one of the things you're seeing unfold right now

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Speaker 4: is this fight with the Oversight Committee, the House Oversight Committee,

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Speaker 4: and Representative Comer with Christopher Ray over at the FBI.

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Speaker 4: This is where you have this FD ten twenty three document.

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Speaker 4: Now I wasn't on the FBI side, obviously, so I

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Speaker 4: don't know all the different h letterings in the way

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Speaker 4: that that they collid information over the FBI. But from

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Speaker 4: the descriptions, it's effectively a raw intelligence report. That's what

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Speaker 4: we'd call it. Confidential human source raw intelligence report. It's

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Speaker 4: all the same same basic thing. Someone's telling you stuff

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Speaker 4: that you haven't verified, and it just is This even

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Speaker 4: happens in background check investigation. Someone will say something about

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Speaker 4: a neighbor they don't like to, you know, to the

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Speaker 4: federal investigator, and they'll write it down, but it doesn't

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Speaker 4: mean it's necessarily true. What's interesting is why don't the

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Speaker 4: share this information, it seems with Comer and with the

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Speaker 4: Oversight Committee about somebody who says that Joe Biden was

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Speaker 4: in an illegal bribery scheme. If it's ridiculous, okay, what's

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Speaker 4: the problem. Then if it's dumb, it's dumb, well why

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Speaker 4: one of the challenges that they may have with this

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Speaker 4: clay is they started a Special Council investigation of I mean,

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Speaker 4: they started first an FBI investigation, then a Special Council

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Speaker 4: investigation because George Papadopoulos shared a rumor that he had

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Speaker 4: heard at a bar in London, right, and then all

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Speaker 4: of a sudden they spin it all the way up

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Speaker 4: to the top of the intelligence community. Meanwhile, Christopher Ray,

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Speaker 4: the head of the FBI, has confirmed that there's a

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Speaker 4: document that says that someone came forward to the FBI

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Speaker 4: and says there's an illegal influence pedaling scheme, bribery scheme

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Speaker 4: with Joe Biden, and the FBI saying, oh, no, we

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Speaker 4: have to protect this confidential human source. It's not classified.

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Speaker 4: I should note it's not classified, So what's going on there?

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Speaker 4: I think one of the things that it raises is

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Speaker 4: did they follow up, Clay, do they even want to

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Speaker 4: think we all know the answer. We see what's going

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Speaker 4: on with Hunter Biden. How is it possible that you

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Speaker 4: get paid millions of dollars, you don't pay taxes on it,

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Speaker 4: you don't get prosecuted. You're a Hunter Biden. That's how

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Speaker 4: it's possible.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Buck, what I would also say, we talked

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Speaker 1: about this some yesterday. I think this all the Biden

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Speaker 1: crime family. Still, you have to go back to Biden

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Speaker 1: thinking his political careers over, and I think he got

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Speaker 1: to aspire to. When Barack Obama said, you're not the choice,

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Speaker 1: it's Hillary old man, you're out. And again it's worth repeating,

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Speaker 1: Barack Obama never endorsed Joe Biden until he was actually

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Speaker 1: the nominee, which probably gives you a pretty good sense

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Speaker 1: what Barack Obama thought of Joe Biden after spending eight

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Speaker 1: years with him as the vice president. But Buck, I

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Speaker 1: think Biden looked around and said, well, my political career's over,

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Speaker 1: Let's make as much money now as we can even

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Speaker 1: if it's shady, and we don't have to worry about

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Speaker 1: it because I'm not ever going to run for office again.

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Speaker 1: Because he never anticipated, I don't think that the twenty

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Speaker 1: so he tried to make as much money as he

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Speaker 1: That's when a lot of this data really starts to

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Speaker 1: it was just like, let's get rich. Everybody, bring in

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Speaker 4: It's actually not a bad calculation at the time from

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Speaker 4: Joe Biden's perspective. Politically, he had Hillary running. She was

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Speaker 4: the Democrat candidate, and you got to assume either Hillary

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Speaker 4: or whomever the Republican is is going to get eight years.

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Speaker 4: And he knew he was already too old to be

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Speaker 4: was cash out time. Didn't realize that fate would Well,

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Speaker 4: we all know what happened in twenty twenty, but no one,

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Speaker 4: no one could have ever expected that. I mean, I've

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Speaker 4: said this to this day. I thought, this is why

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Speaker 4: I always say no one can predict the future. Nobody

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Speaker 4: really knows what's going to happen in any of these things.

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Speaker 4: That's why you just do the best you can with

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Speaker 4: the information you have when you have it. I thought

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Speaker 4: Joe Biden when he started running in twenty sixteen, I

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Speaker 4: this is a joke. No serio person is going to

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Speaker 4: vote for Joe Biden. Well maybe they're not serious people,

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Speaker 4: but some people voted for Joe Biden.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately they did it. Remember in Iowa and New Hampshire.

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Speaker 1: I think Joe Biden came in fifth in both of

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Speaker 1: it was over. He won South Carolina comfortably. He went

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Speaker 1: then just I mean, there was no contest anymore. Everybody

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Speaker 1: Clyburn said, this is the guy who can beat Donald Trump,

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Speaker 1: and Bernie Sanders was gone. Mayor Pete was gone, Elizabeth

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Speaker 1: why it's so funny when they constantly trot out, Oh,

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Speaker 1: the reason Kamala's approval ratings are low is because people

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Speaker 4: Look, part of the primary, Republican or Democrat, is we've

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Speaker 4: And it's also convincing people to come along with them, right,

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Speaker 4: And this is I think something that it's easy to forget,

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Speaker 4: it seemed absolutely, it seemed it was a completely rational

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Speaker 4: And sure, I'm talking about when it was a Democrat primary,

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Speaker 4: And what I realized is I underestimated the will to

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Speaker 4: to construct, to construct a narrative, to be opportunistic, to

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Speaker 4: seen it coming in a sense, should have seen it coming.

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Speaker 1: And remember Buck, Democrats picked Joe Biden because they thought

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Speaker 1: he was the most likely to win an election, and

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Speaker 1: then they got an unbelievably good fortune in terms of

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Speaker 1: his candidacy. Because if Joe Biden had had to be

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Speaker 1: the entire twenty twenty primary and then on into the

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty general election, I don't think there's any way

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Speaker 1: he would have won, Buck, because I think people would

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Speaker 1: have seen the cognitive collapse that we see on a

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Speaker 1: Absent COVID, they would not have been able to hide

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Speaker 1: him in the basement and claim that it was for

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Speaker 1: his own health. That's what actually got him elected, was

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Speaker 4: Biden in twenty twenty was the closest thing that you

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Speaker 4: could ever conjure to being generic Democrat, Like just a Democrat.

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Speaker 4: He had one hundred percent name recognition because of eight

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Speaker 4: everyone knew who he was. He's also been in politics

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Speaker 4: mean to your point of the query we keep raising

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Speaker 4: here about when will they do this? What the timing is.

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Speaker 4: My senses, they don't think they're going to beat Trump

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Speaker 4: at the ballot box. My senses, they think they're going

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Speaker 4: to beat him with the legal system. And as crazy

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Speaker 4: as that may sound out Clay, they indicted I mean

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Speaker 4: they've already indicted him.

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Speaker 1: It beached him twice, and they have multiple criminal investigations

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Speaker 1: underway right now. For people out there who may not

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Speaker 1: know these details, let me read. This is from CNN.

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Speaker 1: CNN reported that this recording existed, and I'm now reading

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Speaker 1: from the New York Times. This is a paragraph. The

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Speaker 1: recording was made during a meeting mister Trump held in

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Speaker 1: July twenty twenty one with people helping his former Chief

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Speaker 1: of Staff Mark Meadows write a memoir of his ten

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Speaker 1: months in the White House. According to people briefed on

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Speaker 1: the matter, the meeting was held at Trump's Bedminster, New

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Speaker 1: Jersey club, where he spends summers. It's where we did

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Speaker 1: an hour with Trump the live golf event last year.

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Speaker 1: Meadows was not at the meeting. Two of Trump's aides did.

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Speaker 1: And uh, this is a tape taping where he says

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Speaker 1: he had a classified document. According to the report, and

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Speaker 1: on the recording, mister Trump began railing about his hand

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Speaker 1: packed Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Mark Milly,

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Speaker 1: and he then referenced the document he had with him,

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Speaker 1: saying it had been compiled by General Milly and was

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Speaker 1: related to attacking Iran. The people briefed on the matter said,

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Speaker 1: among other comments, again this is according to The New

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Speaker 1: York Times, he mentioned his classification abilities. During the discussion.

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Speaker 1: Trump can be heard handling paper on the tape. Uh

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Speaker 1: and uh. And you know this is now they are

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Speaker 1: denying that that this is going to be a big,

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Speaker 1: major part of the of the charges against him. But

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Speaker 1: I would be stunned. Would you be stunned if if

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Speaker 1: the departm of Justice comes back as part of their

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Speaker 1: Independent Council and says Trump has done nothing wrong, there's

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Speaker 1: nothing criminal here that we can charge him with. Was

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Speaker 1: it fair? I would be stunned beyond belief if that happened, Buck,

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Speaker 1: Would you be stunned beyond belief if that was the

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Speaker 1: that was what the Independent Council report said.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, here's the difference for anybody who is thinking to themselves, well,

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Speaker 4: the last Special Counsel didn't work.

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Speaker 1: It's because you had.

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Speaker 4: A Republican president and a Republican appointed Attorney general, who,

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Speaker 4: as I mentioned at the time, was Bill Barr. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: that's why it didn't work. Jeff Sessions recused himself I

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Speaker 4: remember this. I talked to Jeff about this, but he

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Speaker 4: was still the attorney general, and then I walked over

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Speaker 4: and talked to Trump in the White House and he said,

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Speaker 4: I don't have an attorney general, which was I don't

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Speaker 4: think that went over farewell with Jeff. He did last

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Speaker 4: very long in the role after that. But the point being,

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Speaker 4: now there's no stop gap, and they know that.

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Speaker 1: The other side is ruthless. They know that.

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Speaker 4: So I see this unfolding and you have here. You know,

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Speaker 4: I'm just trying to get ahead of this and figure

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Speaker 4: out what the game plan here is. It's not about

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Speaker 4: oh my gosh, you know is Trump did was? I

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Speaker 4: don't think Trump was showing some document it's so horrible

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Speaker 4: or whatever. I'm just saying, they're coming at him with everything.

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Speaker 4: They're coming at him with the kitchen sink, pile the

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Speaker 4: top of the kitchen sink. And here is the a

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Speaker 4: former Trump White House. Now, So whenever you say former Trump, somebody,

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Speaker 4: is this now somebody who completely opposed to Trump at

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Speaker 4: every capacity.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I haven't seen what this guy ty Cobb generally says,

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Speaker 4: and that he wasn't That is a baseball player.

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Speaker 1: That was a Hall of Fame baseball player. Your sports

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Speaker 1: knowledge continues to improve. Thank you, sir.

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Speaker 4: Former Trump White House lawyer Ty Cobb here saying, DOJ

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Speaker 4: prosecutors biden? DOJ prosecutors have got Trump in a tough

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Speaker 4: spot play twenty two?

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Speaker 3: It further enhances the obstruction case because it eviscerates the

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Speaker 3: two defense is that Trump has put forward, you know,

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Speaker 3: the first being that merely by taking documents he declassifies him,

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Speaker 3: or that he has the authority if he's playing with

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Speaker 3: the ducks and the hot tub, to declassify him.

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Speaker 6: In his own mind.

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Speaker 3: Those are out the door now because he's admitted that

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Speaker 3: he understood there were restraints on what he could do

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Speaker 3: with documents. I don't see any eagerness on the part

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Speaker 3: of Jack Smith and his team to slow down. I

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Speaker 3: think they have their foot on his neck.

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Speaker 1: So this is why, to me, Buck, the biggest question

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Speaker 1: out there is what's the timing on this? Not necessarily

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Speaker 1: the charges, because I think they're going to bring charges. Buck,

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Speaker 1: if I were guessing in junior July, that means this

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Speaker 1: month or next month. And if they do that, how

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Speaker 1: quickly could they have a trial Because the federal government

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Speaker 1: is going to try to put Donald Trump in jail.

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Speaker 1: And we know that the New York City case is

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Speaker 1: in March, so I would hope that the Trump legal

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Speaker 1: team would be able to forestall any sort of charges

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Speaker 1: in this case till after November's election next year. In

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Speaker 1: terms of the case going in front of a jury

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Speaker 1: and the case being prosecuted in a criminal context, I

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Speaker 1: don't know enough about the DC circuit and how rapidly

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Speaker 1: they can turn some of these cases. We know, just

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Speaker 1: using as a little bit of a precedent, Buck, the

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Speaker 1: January sixth defendants, It took about a year and a

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Speaker 1: half for your average January sixth defendant two or over

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Speaker 1: a year, year and three months something like that for

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Speaker 1: them to actually go to trial.

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Speaker 4: The process was the punishment for them, though they were

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Speaker 4: held in those conditions specifically because I think it was

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Speaker 4: part of what now Julie Kelly, I had her on

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Speaker 4: the Klaimbuck podcast this week, you know, a deep dive.

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Speaker 4: Sheer first it as the DC gulag. Yeah, why even

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Speaker 4: let someone get to trial? Why not just let them

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Speaker 4: sit in solitary for eighteen months? Because you have some

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Speaker 4: lunatic federal judge who's saying that they'll start another insurrection,

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Speaker 4: you know, another fanny pack insurrection any moment now. So

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Speaker 4: in this case, I think you might have a different

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Speaker 4: approach from a judge who has an animus against Trump,

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Speaker 4: which you're going to get in DC probably when you

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Speaker 4: look at who's on the DC circuit, and it would

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Speaker 4: be no, let's be this thing up. Just deny all.

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Speaker 4: They're going to deny the motion for any kind of

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Speaker 4: a change of venue. I think they're going to deny

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Speaker 4: the motion for any kind of a delay. And so

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Speaker 4: I think they could come at in with this pretty fast.

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Speaker 4: Any if there's any like federal prosecutor or former DOJ

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Speaker 4: folks or someone out there, and you want to weigh

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Speaker 4: in on this one, by all means, we'd love to.

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Speaker 1: I'm also gonna breach it. We should reach out to

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Speaker 1: a team.

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Speaker 4: Let's get Andy McCarthy on to talk about because we

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Speaker 4: keep saying what's the timeline, Like he'll know what the timeline, He'll.

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Speaker 1: He'll know the timeline for New York. But I don't

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Speaker 1: know how much of an expert he is on how quickly.

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's very many people out there buck

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Speaker 1: But I don't know how many people out there are

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Speaker 1: turnaround looks like on a DC circuit charge. And why

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Speaker 1: this is significant is because they may try to jump

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Speaker 1: in front of that trial that's taking place in March,

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Speaker 1: the New York City bogus charge trial. They might try

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Speaker 1: And that's why I keep asking all these candidates, Buck,

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Speaker 1: will you give a pardon to Donald Trump on federal charges?

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Speaker 4: All right, we're here at Clay and Buck, rackt and

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Speaker 4: stack recalls from all of you across the country. Let's

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Speaker 4: take first one up. Vince sent in Sacramento. Vincent, what's

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Speaker 4: going on?

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Speaker 7: I'm a history teacher, and I think the thing that

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Speaker 7: people are overlooking in this whole Trump prosecution deal is

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Speaker 7: that prosecuting ex leaders is the quickest way to destroy

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Speaker 7: a republic. It's happened over and over and over in history.

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Speaker 7: When leaders know that as soon as they relinquish power

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Speaker 7: they're going to be prosecuted criminally, they don't let it go,

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Speaker 7: and they'll do anything to keep it, including subverting all

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Speaker 7: the laws, rigging the elections, using the using military coups.

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Speaker 7: Why do you think Caesar crossed the rubicon? Not only

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Speaker 7: was he ambitious, but he knew that if he laid

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Speaker 7: to every other former leader in the republic.

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Speaker 1: This brilliant. Thank you for being a history teacher. I

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Speaker 1: hope you aren't struggle. You'll be teaching a lot of

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Speaker 1: minds with real history here. I agree one hundred percent

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Speaker 1: with everything you said. It's rare you get a call

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Speaker 1: or buck you just like, hey, I echo. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's very well said. This is like a precedented act.

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Speaker 1: You're like James carvill and old school. I got nothing

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Speaker 1: that was perfect. So there you go. Matt in Rockville, Maryland, Matt,

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Speaker 1: what's going on?

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Speaker 6: Hey guys, I uh, I'm not sure what's one of

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Speaker 6: you had said that?

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Speaker 8: Uh?

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Speaker 6: You know, I'm not sure if the video is sure

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Speaker 6: or not, but you know how it definitely exists because

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Speaker 6: if it doesn't, right now, AI will create it. They

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Speaker 6: can get this is.

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Speaker 1: Scary anything, this is scary look.

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Speaker 6: And it will be admitted as evidence, and you can

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Speaker 6: get anyone to say anything. And the people creating this

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Speaker 6: are typically on the left, the big tech names that

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Speaker 6: are typically on the left. They're going to create it

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Speaker 6: and no one's going to look into it. People still

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Speaker 6: think Trump colluded with Russia. Even after the Moler reports

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Speaker 6: that it didn't, the Horror, the Horrorwitz reports that it didn't,

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Speaker 6: and the Durham reports that it didn't, people will still

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Speaker 6: believe it. So if they have fabricated evidence, it will

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Speaker 6: absolutely be used against them, and that video will be true,

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Speaker 6: and it can be true for anything that they want

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Speaker 6: Trump to quote say.

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Speaker 1: I'll i'll now this is like two for two.

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Speaker 4: I think what Matt's saying is absolutely correct, which is

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Speaker 4: that we're entering an era here where, whether it's done

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Speaker 4: officially or unofficially, you will have deep fakes, and you

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Speaker 4: will have manipulation of media that is out there, and

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Speaker 4: it doesn't have to be from the Washington post doesn't

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Speaker 4: have to be from somebody who theoretically has a reputation

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Speaker 4: to protect. It can still change minds, and we saw

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Speaker 4: that with So you're effectively Matt, Thank you totally. I

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Speaker 4: totally agree with this premise. You're effectively seeing the Russia

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Speaker 4: collusion playbook now with really advanced technology for fabrication, which

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Speaker 4: is that is a That is a scary situation we're

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Speaker 4: going into, and propaganda is never has never been more

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Speaker 4: powerful in some ways than it is right now. David

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Speaker 4: and Duluth continuing to react to our conversation, and I

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Speaker 4: agree the AI thing.

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Speaker 1: You're going to be unable to know whether anything is

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Speaker 1: true five and they can just say, well, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: could maybe this is a I.

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Speaker 4: Now, when you try to confront somebody with reality, they'll say, well,

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Speaker 4: I think it's a I. And how do you get

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Speaker 4: around that? David, what do you got for us?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, guys, I don't have any inside knowledge of the

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Speaker 8: DC circuit, but I know commi's and when they need to,

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Speaker 8: they can move with lightning speed. I think they're going

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Speaker 8: to let Trump get his nomination as the gop UH

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Speaker 8: front runner, and within four months he'll be indicted the

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Speaker 8: trial will be over, and what's what's the goop gonna

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Speaker 8: do come September when they walk him into prison? And well,

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Speaker 8: do we have a pinch hitter on deck waiting? I mean,

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Speaker 8: who's what's who's gonna step in? Then the most destructive

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Speaker 8: things that they can do would be that. And that's

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Speaker 8: what commies do, the most destructive and diabolical thing. And

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Speaker 8: I think that's what's gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: Uh understands Tommy's for sure. By the way, these are

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Speaker 1: some of the questions we've been asking Buck that I

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Speaker 1: don't think very many people have even grappled with. If

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Speaker 1: they truly are going to put Trump on trial, they're

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Speaker 1: going to try to put him in prison. They might

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Speaker 1: try to put him in prison after he's already the

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Speaker 1: Republican nominee for president running in November, Which is why Buck,

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Speaker 1: a part of me, in the back of my mind,

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Speaker 1: I keep wondering, could Joe Biden actually pardon Donald Trump?

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Speaker 1: And I know people out there, a lot of you

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Speaker 1: are like that is crazy. I think that might be

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Speaker 1: the only thing Joe Biden could do to appeal to

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Speaker 1: independent voters, and I think it would actually strengthen him

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Speaker 1: in the campaign because he's basically saying, I'll beat Trump.

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Speaker 1: I don't need to have him in jail. I don't

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Speaker 1: think he'll do it, but I think he's gonna lock

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Speaker 1: him up. I think if he could lock him up play,

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Speaker 1: he's gonna lock him up. It would be interesting if

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Speaker 1: he didn't.

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Speaker 4: But these libs are crazy, crazy,