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According to parents, that's 20 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: a secret recording of an instructor talking to kids inside 21 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 1: a special education class at Berkeley Heights Elementary School in Martinsburg, 22 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 1: West Virginia. Amber Pack center eight year old daughter to 23 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: class with a recording device after the child didn't want 24 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: to go back to school. I'm afraid. I hardly even 25 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: know what to say. You know, it's very rare that 26 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: I'm left speechless, but I'm so sick at my heart 27 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: hearing that secret audio tape. Listen a different instructor in 28 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: the same class. You gotta go, peggy, or do you 29 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: not have to go pee? And you just want to go? 30 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: There's more. I'm gonna pull your hair until you stuck her. 31 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 1: Don't throw it, don't throw ye your winch like a pigney, 32 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: like a pigmy thing. The next day, Pack alerted the 33 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: school district and the Martinsburg Police Department. Do you think 34 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 1: this has been going on for a while, Yes, that 35 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: was the first day off at the recorder and her 36 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: hair one day you caught on one day eight hours. 37 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: You can hear the instructors, sometimes singing songs and reading 38 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:29,679 Speaker 1: stories to students, and other times, now your tears drive 39 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 1: so quickly, crocodile, and then she wants to destroy everything 40 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 1: as I'm gonna knock out. I couldn't eat for three days. 41 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: I was so my stomach everything. I was just so upset, 42 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: and every time I looked at her and start crying. 43 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: Pacy Murphy, whose six year old son Owen, is in 44 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 1: the same class, nobody alerted her to the recording, even 45 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 1: though Pack had already handed it over to the school district. 46 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: I've never heard from the principle, never heard from the superintendent, 47 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 1: never heard from any of them. It wasn't until November, 48 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: after Pack posted a clip of the recording on Facebook 49 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: that Murphy became aware of it for sure. You know 50 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 1: when you're gonna get one, just just cup. It's sickney like. 51 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: People don't even talk to animals like that, and they're 52 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: talking to non verbal children who don't understand why they're 53 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: talking to them like that. They're not doing anything wrong. 54 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:24,079 Speaker 1: I'm the recording. The instructors tease and refuse to give 55 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 1: Owen food. Brow me, I'm Daria, and you won't get 56 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: her one nothing? Thank you get nothing star. The Berkeley 57 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: County Prosecutor's office found no criminal wrongdoing. The County Prosecutor, 58 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: Katie Wilkes, Dellagatti told Casey Murphy, I am not in 59 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: any way condoning the verbal treatment of your children by 60 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: the individuals in the classroom. I don't understand why you 61 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: treated her the way you treated her. Should not deserve that, 62 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: no kid does. You are hearing our friend Scott Teller 63 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: at ABC seven w j L, a investigative team doing 64 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: an incredible job as he reports on it's a very 65 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: upsetting story. You could hear the children moaning in crying. 66 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: These are special needs children being spoken to worse than 67 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 1: I've ever heard someone speak to an animal, just like 68 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: the mom says, and I, Nancy Grace, this is crime Stories. 69 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. And I know it's 70 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: hard to hear, but if we don't confront it, we 71 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: can't fix it. In joining me right now, a very 72 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 1: special guest, the mother of that little girl, adri Amberpack, 73 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: is with us. Ben Selango is with us. Amber's lawyer, 74 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: doctor Adrian Wood, the blogger of Tales of an Educated 75 00:04:54,920 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: Debutante dot com, who investigated this story with ME. Forensics 76 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: expert Joseph Scott Morgan and forensic psychiatrist doctor Daniel Bober 77 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 1: also with me. Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Robin Wilenski. 78 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,559 Speaker 1: I want to go straight to Amber Pack, the mother 79 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: of four. Amber tell me what led you to hide 80 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:28,239 Speaker 1: an audio device in your daughter's hair? Well, Adrian would 81 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:31,720 Speaker 1: she didn't want to go to school this year. I 82 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 1: thought she just hated the school. I mean, she's always 83 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: been pretty attached to me, but she would try to 84 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: hide for me in the mornings when in between getting 85 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: ready and her bus driver had made the comment that 86 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: she starts crying as soon as they pull up to 87 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 1: the school, and I popped in to pick her up, 88 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: She's been crying really hard. And when I asked the 89 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 1: teacher about it, her answer I knew was a lie. 90 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: So I spoke to her doctor about all the anxiety 91 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: and so she was having, and how I didn't think 92 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: I was getting the right answers from the teacher and 93 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: told her that I was going to put a record 94 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 1: on her, and she said she thought that would probably 95 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: be a good idea, if for nothing else, just to 96 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: give me a piece of mind. You know, I didn't 97 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 1: think that it was going to be this horrible though. 98 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 1: How did you put the device in in Adrie's hair? 99 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: She has a ton of hair. I m sectioned the 100 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:37,359 Speaker 1: middle part in the top and put the recorder inside, 101 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 1: and then did like the first loop of a shoe tie, 102 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: put a hairband around that, and then brought the rest 103 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: of her hair up around it and did like a bun. 104 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:50,599 Speaker 1: Did Adrie even know she had a hearing recording device 105 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: in her hair? She was not happy with the amount 106 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 1: of time it took to do her hair that morning, 107 00:06:56,040 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: so I think did she know there was a recorder there? 108 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: I don't know if she knew that, um like whatever 109 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 1: what I was going it for, but I know she 110 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: knew that I was putting something in her hair. I'm 111 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: just beside myself. I mean, I can hear one of 112 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: the instructors saying, you want you're talking about anxiety and 113 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: then threatens to beat the child. Yeah, and that's after 114 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: I told them what her doctor had said about her anxiety. 115 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: And then she says, I'm going to knock you out. 116 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: It goes on and on and on. You're like a pigmy. 117 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: You're like a pigmy thing. You're an animal. These are teachers. 118 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: I'm going to pull your hair until you start crying. 119 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 1: You want to go peepee? Or do you just want 120 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: to go and what she says is jerk off. Those 121 00:07:56,720 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: are the words the teacher says to a child a chair, 122 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: this one I want to punch right in the face 123 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: out of backhand. You write in your teeth house that 124 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: for anxiety. And what I don't understand is why there 125 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: are no criminal charges joining me right now. Crime online 126 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter Robin Willinski, who has been investigating 127 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: the case. Robin, let's just start at the beginning. What 128 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: do you know? Well, I know, Nancy, that this is 129 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 1: Berkeley County Elementary School and that this was a special 130 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 1: class There were only four children in this classroom, age six, 131 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 1: including Amberpack's daughter, and there were three one teacher a female, 132 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:53,239 Speaker 1: and two female teachers aides. So again four students, three adults, 133 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,959 Speaker 1: and none of this would have come to light because 134 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: there are no cameras in that classroom. There are across 135 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:03,839 Speaker 1: our country. We do have school districts, Nancy, that do 136 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: have cameras and recording equipment in special needs classrooms, but 137 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: not at to date, not in this classroom. And if 138 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 1: not for Amber Pack putting this twenty dollars device from 139 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:24,359 Speaker 1: Amazon in her daughter's hair, none of these details, horrendous 140 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 1: details would have come to light, joining me, high profile 141 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 1: lawyer for Amber Pack, Ben Selengo being it's a real 142 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: honor to have you on. I'm not sure why this 143 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: doesn't rise to some criminal abuse on a child. Well, 144 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 1: it certainly does, Nancy. We're disappointed that the county prosecutor 145 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: has thus far declined to press charges. However, we're hopeful 146 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: that charges will be filed, as you know that there's 147 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 1: a statue. What's the county prosecutor's name, Ben, last name 148 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: is Delagatti, and she's she's a mother, you know, I 149 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: think she's she's sympathetic, she has listened to us, and 150 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: I'm hopeful that she will file charges within the statute 151 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 1: of limitation. But what she says is because the child 152 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: is nonverbal, that she cannot testify that she was in 153 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: reasonable apprehension of physical harm, which as a former prosecutor, 154 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:25,839 Speaker 1: you know is the standard for an assault claim. Well 155 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,559 Speaker 1: wait a minute, that that's for an aggravated assault or 156 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 1: an assault. Right for an abuse claim, you don't have 157 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: to have proof of fear. And the fact that little 158 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: Agi cried every day and the doctor said it was anxiety, 159 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: that is fear. That's exactly our point and I think 160 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: the prosecutor is considering that. I'm not sure that it 161 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: was considered before. But more importantly, in West Virginia, there's 162 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 1: a duty to report whenever a teacher or a teacher's 163 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: aide suspects abuse. Here, they actually witnessed it, and they 164 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: had twenty four hours to report as the Board of Education, 165 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: as did the superintendent, as did the principal, because they 166 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: all knew. The principal knew the following day, the superintendent 167 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: knew the following week. They had twenty four hours to 168 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: report it and they didn't. So hopefully additional criminal charges 169 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: will be considered. Well, here you go, everybody. If you 170 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:22,679 Speaker 1: are as disgusted and upset by what you heard as 171 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 1: I him, here's how you can reach the county prosecutor. 172 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: Delagatti three zero four two six four one nine seven 173 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: one repeat three zero four two six four one nine 174 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:44,679 Speaker 1: seven one. A Martinsburg parents says it wasn't until she 175 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: plays a recording device into her daughter's here that it 176 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 1: picked up some very disturbing audio in her special education 177 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:53,719 Speaker 1: class at Berkeley Heights Elementary and which is want to 178 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 1: warn you that that audio may be disturbing to some 179 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: How about hand you write your team. Amber Pack says 180 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: she learned of the disturbing audio recordings one night in 181 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 1: October after she decided to take matters into her own 182 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:14,319 Speaker 1: hands when her seven year old daughter, who was nonverbal, 183 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: wasn't acting her usual self. There's no way for me 184 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 1: to really like see because when I get there, Adrian 185 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: would like cling to me, she'd want to leave. She 186 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,559 Speaker 1: brought up the attention to the school and says administrators 187 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: swapped the incident under the rug for about four weeks. 188 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:33,319 Speaker 1: It wasn't until she placed the incident on social media 189 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 1: that the school plays two employees on an administrative leave, 190 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:40,319 Speaker 1: and according to Berkeley County Schools, the teacher has since resigned. 191 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: Berkeley County Prosecuting Attorney Kid Books, delegated along with investigators, 192 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: reviewed the eight animal audio recording, then said, while the 193 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 1: criminal offense cannot be proven, the verbal treatments is shocking 194 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: and disturbing. So like, are you gonna puke for me today? Adrie? 195 00:12:58,120 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: Did your mom do your eyebrows? You don't have a 196 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 1: unibrow today? Like, just like, why would you say that? There? 197 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: And according to Berkeley County Prosecuting Office, can you cook 198 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 1: jelly Getty. She says, according to Westbiginilla Haw, verbal abuse 199 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: is not considered a criminal, but Ambrew hopes that there 200 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: is justice soon. Well, of course, now we know that 201 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 1: those aids have resigned, and believe it or not, the 202 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 1: vote was four to one to accept the resignations. Who 203 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: in the world didn't want to accept the resignation you're 204 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: hearing from our friends at w DVMTV. That's reporter Taota 205 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: reporting on this and joining me is the mother of 206 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: that beautiful little girl, adri a special needs student who, 207 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: along with her classmates, berated, insulted, threatened, threatened by teacher's aids. 208 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:56,199 Speaker 1: It's incredible. With me their lawyer, well known Ben Selingo, 209 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:59,959 Speaker 1: the lawyer for Amber Pack. Also with me, Robin Willinski, 210 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 1: Crime online dot com investigative reporter, doctor Daniel Bober, forensic psychiatrist, 211 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, forensics expert, and joining me right now, 212 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: doctor Adrian Wood. Doctor Adrian is at Tales of an 213 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: Educated Debutante dot com. She investigated this story and while 214 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: the mom Amber Pack had brought this to everyone's attention, 215 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 1: nobody did I think. There was not a blip on 216 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: the screen until it was posted on Facebook. Doctor Adrian Wood, 217 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 1: explain to me as a blogger, how you got involved 218 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: in this story? You know, Nancy, I last about a 219 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: week ago Sunday, was just scrolling through Facebook a Sunday 220 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: evening and a friend had shared the clip that Amber 221 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: thankfully had shared on Facebook. And as a special needs mom, 222 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 1: myself a mother of four, my heartbrook And the more 223 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: I looked into the case, the more horrified I became. 224 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: And I think what struck me was not the abuses 225 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: terrible on its own, but this subsequent lack of action 226 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: just absolutely toward my heart apart. I realized that Amber 227 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: Pack had called the police. The police met with the 228 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: principal on October fifth. Officer Connor was a police officer 229 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 1: that went in that day and the case never escalated 230 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: to a detective. On that day, Amber Pack was told, 231 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 1: I believe by the principle, that the teachers were talking 232 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 1: to one another, and for the next twenty eight days, 233 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 1: those teachers remained in the classroom as that all the 234 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: other children. Amber fortunately had pulled Adre out of school, 235 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: and it wasn't until Amber shared that clip on Facebook 236 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: on October I believe it was twenty ninth. The following day, 237 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: the two assistants were placed on leave, and the lead 238 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: teacher was in the classroom until November fourteen. I don't 239 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: understand it, Amber Pack. You're the mother of little Adre 240 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: that endured all this, and we just heard a tiny 241 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: sample of what Amber heard. What took so long? What 242 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: do you mean they were talking to each other? I 243 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: think that was the case of Cya Well, the police officer. 244 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: When my husband emailed her the entire clip, she wasn't 245 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: wasn't in the school within an hour or two. There's 246 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 1: no way she listened to the whole eight hours. She 247 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 1: only played them the I'm gonna punch you in the face. 248 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: How no, yeah, I'm gonna punch you in the face, 249 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 1: and then shut up. That's what that she played at 250 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: in the principal's office. So they told me that they 251 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: were talking to each other, and I said, you know, okay, 252 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: I'll give you that one. I'll give you that one, 253 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: but the whole recording is disgusting. You know, the whole 254 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: day is discussing. They said, that's not the only thing 255 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: that they said. And she told me that they would 256 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: never hurt my child, and that she felt like this 257 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 1: was a communication error, and that she wanted me to 258 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: come in and have a meeting with Adrian's team, but 259 00:16:57,640 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: I said that Adria would not be coming back there, 260 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: and I think I started crying, and so I still 261 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 1: don't understand joining me. Attorney for Amber Pack Ben Selango, Ben, 262 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 1: I still don't understand why this is not clearly it's 263 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: an assault, a simple assault at the least because a 264 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:24,639 Speaker 1: child suffered extreme anxiety. And that's not only based on 265 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: Amber's observation, but a doctor as well. That's what simple 266 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: assault is and the reason I'm talking about this, Ben Selengo, 267 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: as you well know, just resigning that means these teachers 268 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 1: ays can go somewhere else and do the same thing 269 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:42,399 Speaker 1: to other students. Ben, why is this not a crime? 270 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:44,919 Speaker 1: It is a crime, and it should have been charged, 271 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 1: and we're still hopeful that it will be charged. They 272 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: have there's a one year statue of limitation to bring 273 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 1: the charges. But the prosecutor indicated that because the child 274 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:59,919 Speaker 1: cannot testify because she is nonverbal, that she could not 275 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: expressed that she was in reasonable apprehension of a violent assault. Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait, 276 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 1: wait wait, I'm sorry, Ben, please tell me that again. 277 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:14,360 Speaker 1: The prosecutor said because the child is nonverbal, she cannot 278 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 1: testify that she was in reasonable apprehension of an attack. Okay, pause, 279 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 1: right there, ben, Ben, let me tell you what happened 280 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:25,239 Speaker 1: to me when I was a prosecutor, as you know, 281 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:29,719 Speaker 1: ten years intercity Atlanta, all felonies. I had many, many 282 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 1: child abuse in childlesstation cases. I'm thinking of two off 283 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 1: the top of my head, and I can remember the 284 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 1: defendants and the victims' names children, both of them non verbal. 285 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: Both of them could not testify on the stand fully. 286 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: Both of them put their heads down on like on 287 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: their desk, let me just say, on the witness stand, 288 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 1: and they could not continue their convictions in both and 289 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 1: both of those were sex molestation charges. Okay, there are 290 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 1: people that are nonverbal that are crime victims, and those 291 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 1: are the cases that must be prosecuted more than any others, 292 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:24,439 Speaker 1: because those are the weakest people in our society. What 293 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:26,879 Speaker 1: do you mean, she's non verbal, so I can't prosecute 294 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:30,120 Speaker 1: the case. Who what's her name? What? What? What's what 295 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 1: is the lawyer's name? My name is Delagatti. She's the 296 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 1: Berkeley County prosecutor. And we agree with you. Catherine Wilke's 297 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 1: Della Gatti, that's her name, and she is actually saying 298 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: because the child can't speak, she can't prosecute the case. 299 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 1: What did she go to law school? She did? Uh, 300 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 1: we're hopeful that she was. Does she ever tried a case? 301 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 1: Or is she just a political figurehead? Well? I U. 302 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 1: I certainly think she could have been more aggressive with 303 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:08,640 Speaker 1: this one, and hopefully she will. I'm not gonna aggressive, 304 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,880 Speaker 1: I am. We're not pleased with. Okay, what she did 305 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 1: help me somebody, I mean, okay, I'll take you out 306 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 1: of the mix because you're trying to navigate this. Well 307 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: what I'm doing. Deal, don't want to foreclose the ability 308 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: for them to bring charges. Quite frankly, it would have 309 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 1: been easy. Okay, it would have been easy to bring 310 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:29,400 Speaker 1: charges in this case. You should have and there would 311 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: be a conviction, as you and I both know, once 312 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 1: they play those tapes to a jury, they're done. I 313 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:43,119 Speaker 1: mean they're gonna be convicted. 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Well you gotta go, peggy, 332 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: piggy or do you not have to go pee? And 333 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,679 Speaker 1: you just want to go. I'm gonna pull your hair 334 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: and don't throw it. Don't throw an yep, your winch 335 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 1: like a pigmy, like a pigmy. When I hear that 336 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 1: sound and there is eight hours of it. It just 337 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: makes me physically recoil. You are hearing so called special 338 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: aid teachers assistance, berating, torturing, verbally assaulting little children in 339 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 1: class at school, and with me, the mother of that 340 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 1: little girl, adri amber Pack is with me a mother 341 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:57,959 Speaker 1: of four, Adria's special needs ben Selingo, amber Pack's lawyer, 342 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:01,440 Speaker 1: Doctor Adrian Would the blogger who investigated this story at 343 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 1: Tales of an educated debutant dot com forensics expert Joe 344 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, and forensic psychiatrist doctor Daniel Bober. Doctor Bober, 345 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 1: I can't help but notice there were three teachers in 346 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 1: the room. Nobody said, guys, don't talk that way. Stop it. 347 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna report you. They all just went along. What 348 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:26,120 Speaker 1: is that pack mentality, doctor Bober. Yeah, it's pretty sick, Dancy. 349 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,199 Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of things as you have, and 350 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: this story really makes me nauseous. I mean, you know, 351 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: you see this like in fraternities where hazing is going on. 352 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 1: It's just it really needs, I believe, criminal prosecution, and 353 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,679 Speaker 1: it's just it's very it's just vicious. It's just absolutely vicious. 354 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: I also don't understand why this is not a crime 355 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 1: being considered a crime by Delagatti, the so called prosecutor 356 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 1: in this case, who says she can't prosecute it because 357 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: a child nonverbal. I've never heard a more bs in 358 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,679 Speaker 1: my whole life. To Joseph Scott Morgan, how can we 359 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 1: prove this case? Maybe you can get of the prosecutor 360 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 1: DELAGHATI a little tutorial. Yeah, it escapes me. How they 361 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 1: cannot move forward with a with a prosecution. And to 362 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: what Ben had said earlier, relative to the one years 363 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,640 Speaker 1: statute of limitation, maybe they're I don't know, maybe they're 364 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: waiting to a point in time where they can move forward. 365 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,640 Speaker 1: One of the striking things about about this, Uh Nancy 366 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 1: Amber really kind of oh boy, just put the bowl 367 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 1: in this. Just a moment ago, she said, we're only 368 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 1: hearing eight hours of this. H We're only hearing a 369 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: segment of eight hours. What about all of those days 370 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 1: prior to this, day after day after day after day. 371 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 1: And what really makes this so soul crushing is the 372 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:49,440 Speaker 1: fact that these children are nonverbal. You know, they're experiencing 373 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 1: fear here over a protracted period of time. Lord only 374 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,680 Speaker 1: knows what else has gone on in that classroom. Why 375 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 1: are they just on administrative leave, and then they were 376 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: allowed to design One board member, Michelle Barnes Russell, voted 377 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: no what she wanted them to stay on in their job. 378 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: But what was that all about? To Amber Pack, the 379 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 1: mother of little Adrie, Why did one board member vote 380 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,719 Speaker 1: know that they would not accept the resignation. I believe 381 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 1: she voted no because she wanted them fired. But that's 382 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 1: just my yeah, that's just my Oh okay, well that 383 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 1: gives me a little renewed respect for her. Good for her, 384 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: you know. To Ben Selano, lawyer for Amber Pack, Ben, 385 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,399 Speaker 1: does this mean these teachers aids can just go on 386 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 1: to another school and inflict pain and misery on more students? Yes, 387 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,919 Speaker 1: yes it does. You know, every time the Berkeley County 388 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 1: Board of Education had an opportunity to do the right thing, 389 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 1: they chose not to. Specifically, they put these the teacher 390 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 1: and the aids off on not just administrative league, paid administratively, 391 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 1: they were paid to sit home. Finally, even after they 392 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 1: had all of the evidence, they said, well, we're gonna 393 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: let you resign rather than permanate you. Now, as a token, 394 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,439 Speaker 1: they put a letter in their personnel file. But as 395 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,919 Speaker 1: you and I both know, personnel files are confidential, so 396 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: if they go across the border to Virginia or Maryland, 397 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,680 Speaker 1: those personnel files are not going to follow them. Even 398 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 1: if the new school district where they work requests them, 399 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,439 Speaker 1: they don't turn them over. So they clearly should have 400 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:20,640 Speaker 1: been fired, and it's shocking that the school board let 401 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,679 Speaker 1: them resign. Dude, Doctor Asian Wood, the blogger who investigated 402 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 1: this story, she's at tell Zone Educated Debutant dot com. 403 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: What do you make of it, Adrian Um, I think 404 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,640 Speaker 1: we need to be concerned that Christina luster the lead 405 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: teacher immediately once she resigned, and she got a job 406 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:40,399 Speaker 1: at Grafton and Berryville, West Virginia. It's group home for 407 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:45,439 Speaker 1: troubled teens. And she was not fired until tuesday. And 408 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 1: so I think you're seeing exactly the fear of what happens. 409 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: It's in a personnel file, like the attorney just stated, 410 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 1: and here up until Tuesday, she's been working with troubled teens. 411 00:26:56,000 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, after this, how can that be? Doctor Wood? 412 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 1: You know, I think what we're seeing in West Virginia 413 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,879 Speaker 1: is the epitome of the good old boy network. I 414 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,400 Speaker 1: have never in my life seeing so many people cover 415 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 1: up crime. And I think there's been The other night 416 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 1: at the board meeting, you heard parent after parent, men, women, 417 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:20,239 Speaker 1: grandparents cry and tell these stories of abuse, and they 418 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 1: were never heard. And I don't think it was until 419 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 1: a group got together and said, you know what, we're 420 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,199 Speaker 1: not as dumb as you think we are, and we 421 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,199 Speaker 1: are not going to stand for this any longer. The 422 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,399 Speaker 1: game is over. This is all going down in a 423 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: small town in West Virginia. A secret classroom recording has 424 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:43,120 Speaker 1: very upsetting threats made by instructors toward not just students, 425 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 1: but special needs students. And if the community in Martinsburg 426 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:54,359 Speaker 1: lets this go without a prosecution, it's on them. It 427 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 1: is on them. If that's what they want in their schools, 428 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,119 Speaker 1: it's on them. If they want to let deel how 429 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 1: to get away with this, it's on them. The first 430 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,679 Speaker 1: protest over the recording happened at Town Center. Now. The 431 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 1: recording was made by Amber Pack, who knew something was 432 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 1: horribly wrong happening with her daughter at school. Her daughter's 433 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 1: special needs adri would run and hide from her in 434 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 1: the morning when it was time to go to school, 435 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 1: would get so anxious that the port little thing couldn't 436 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 1: speak and tell mommy was wrong and would cry and 437 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:30,919 Speaker 1: be upset. Now we know what was wrong. One instructor, 438 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,160 Speaker 1: I ought to backhand you right in the teeth. How's 439 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 1: that for anxiety. That's after the mom told the teachers 440 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 1: that the daughter was having anxiety. It goes on and 441 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 1: on and on with the teachers berating and threatening the students. 442 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 1: I want to go to Joe Scott Morgan. I agree 443 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 1: with the mom Amber Pack. She is leading the fight 444 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: for classroom cameras and I don't know why that doesn't exist. 445 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: They've even got him. At daycare for dogs and cats, 446 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 1: you can look in and see your dog hopping around 447 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 1: and barking and eating, and we will do that for pets, 448 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: but not for children. Yeah, isn't that odd, Nancy? That 449 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 1: you know? I think that you know the world that 450 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 1: we live in nowadays. I think there ought to be 451 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 1: an app on the phone where if you want to 452 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: look in on your child, you ought to be able 453 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: to click on a button and be able to see 454 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 1: what's going on in the classroom. Because it's getting to 455 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 1: this point, you know, it's really it's really an odd construct. 456 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 1: It We go into these environments with these children that 457 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 1: are so fragile, and we're essentially turning them over to 458 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 1: an unknown person. We don't know what their background is. 459 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 1: We hope that the school system has vetted them appropriately, 460 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 1: but you know, they just kind of disappeared behind these 461 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 1: doors after that period of time. Eight hours a day, 462 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: and that's very scary, man, eight hours a day alone 463 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 1: with your children. It's standing room only on Monday's Berkeley 464 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 1: County school Board meeting, and emotions are at an all 465 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 1: time as parents ask for multiple resignations of school district officials. 466 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 1: I ask you that you do the right thing and 467 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 1: you turn in your resignation immediately. Everyone upset over a 468 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 1: secret school recording exposing three instructors in a special education 469 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 1: class making disturbing comments to first graders out a back hand. 470 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 1: You write your team the district, says teacher Christina Lester, 471 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 1: and aids June Iorish and Christian Dowdy have all resigned 472 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 1: in connection. People faced down the school board, including two 473 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 1: of the moms of students who are the target of 474 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 1: the alarming comments. What I heard was nothing short of horrific, 475 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 1: and all I could think was, please, guys, tell me 476 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 1: this was an isolated incident. Many comments directed at superintendent 477 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,719 Speaker 1: Manny Arvon. People believe he didn't remove all the instructors 478 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: fast enough from the classroom and failed to alert all 479 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 1: the students parents. You're hearing our friend that is Aliyah 480 00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 1: Williamson at w DVMTV an outrage parents who show up 481 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 1: at a school board meeting demanding resignations after this abuse 482 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 1: audio is released by mom Amber Pack on Facebook because 483 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 1: she was not getting any response from the school, so 484 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 1: she finally had to release it on social media. Amber 485 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 1: Pack with me now along with doctor Adriane Wood, a blogger. 486 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 1: It tells of an educated debutante dot com doctor Adrianne Wood, 487 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 1: a blogger who investigated this story, Amber's lawyer Ben Selango, 488 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, and doctor Daniel Bober. We are also 489 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 1: learning that the West Virginia Attorney General is launching a 490 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 1: suit against the teacher's aids accused of mistreatment. The West 491 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 1: Virginia Attorney General's Office now investigating the allegations the teacher's 492 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 1: aids mistreated children in a special ed classroom. They found 493 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 1: out after Amber made this public getting no response from 494 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 1: the school. Now, the ag Patrick Marcy is seeking the 495 00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 1: enforcement of a state's Human Rights Act. The teachers are 496 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 1: guilty of verbally assaulting nonverbal special needs children. To Ben Selano, 497 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 1: Amber's lawyer, what about that? Will that land them in 498 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 1: jail or will it be considered a criminal action? No, 499 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 1: you know, we appreciate the attorney general's assistance in the case, 500 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 1: and certainly his involvement will help with investigation. But the 501 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 1: attorney General doesn't have the authority to prosecute. All he 502 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 1: can do is get an injunction to keep them from 503 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 1: teaching in West Virginia. It doesn't even go beyond the 504 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 1: borders of West Virginia, and then he can he can 505 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 1: enforce file. Well, hold on, wait a minute, Wait a minute, 506 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 1: Wait a minute, Ben Selingo, how embarrassing for the district attorney, 507 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 1: the county prosecutors, you guys call them? Yeah, what was 508 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 1: her name again? Kata Delagotti is her name? And Katie Dellagotti. 509 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 1: How embarrassing for the state attorney general to have to 510 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 1: take some kind of an action because you're, let me 511 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 1: just say, sitting on your thumb dropping the ball and 512 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 1: to you. Robin Wilenski Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, 513 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 1: what about the cops who first answer the call? That's 514 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 1: my biggest beef with this entire case. You have a 515 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 1: crime that goes on, or an alleged crime, and you 516 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 1: have the first police officer on the scene, Nancy, and 517 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 1: that person is like, oh, nothing to see here, gotta go. 518 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 1: Doesn't bump it up to her boss, to the detective bureau, 519 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 1: to the investigators, to sexual assault if there was, we 520 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 1: don't know. She just looks the other way and goes 521 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 1: on with her day. That to me, the first line 522 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 1: of defense is the first police officer who is called 523 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 1: to the scene to investigate, who does nothing to Amber Pat, 524 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 1: the mother of Adri, who was so distraught over her 525 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:52,880 Speaker 1: child's anxiety and crying, not wanting to go to school anymore, 526 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 1: upset all the time. Remember her child as nonverbal. But 527 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 1: I can tell when something's wrong with John Daverley. See, 528 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 1: I can tell just by looking at them that something 529 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 1: is wrong. She can tell something's wrong with Adri. Can 530 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,240 Speaker 1: you imagine what drove her to buy a recording device 531 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 1: and put it in her child's hair. It was to 532 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:21,719 Speaker 1: that point, Amber Pat, when you heard the recording. What 533 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 1: was your reaction? Tell me about the moment you heard 534 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,879 Speaker 1: this recording. At some points, I was just so mad 535 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 1: you know, I was shaken and then the verbal threats 536 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:36,360 Speaker 1: they actually made me vomits. Pow. Is your daughter behaving 537 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,680 Speaker 1: now that she's in a new environment. Wonderfully, she's progressing. 538 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:42,840 Speaker 1: She's done more than three months at her new schools 539 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:44,680 Speaker 1: than she did in the year at the old one. 540 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,879 Speaker 1: They've had to work very hard. I bet they have. 541 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,440 Speaker 1: And it's hard enough for a child without a disability, 542 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,720 Speaker 1: much less with the disabilities your little adri is facing. Amber. 543 00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 1: Did you ever see these teachers, aids or teacher face 544 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:04,320 Speaker 1: to face. Yeah, yeah, not since not since the incident. 545 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,759 Speaker 1: But what they say, um before, I mean, you know, 546 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:12,400 Speaker 1: smiles and waves. No. No, no one ever told me 547 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,880 Speaker 1: that they had such a problem with my child. You know, 548 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,560 Speaker 1: the problem is not with your child, the problems with 549 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,359 Speaker 1: with themselves. No, the problem is definitely not with my child. 550 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,279 Speaker 1: But they never let me know that that this is 551 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,360 Speaker 1: how her day went. You know that she cried the 552 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 1: entire day. Did she ever come home with scratches or bruises? 553 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,439 Speaker 1: She did have bruises on her forearms. But like, there's 554 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 1: no way for me to um, I don't know for 555 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:41,759 Speaker 1: sure where they can go. Okay, let me understand this, Uh, 556 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,799 Speaker 1: so Amber, she goes to school without bruises, she comes 557 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 1: home with bruises on her arms, like uh, like little 558 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,480 Speaker 1: dots like on her forearm, Like maybe she could have 559 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,239 Speaker 1: bumped or it could have been somebody grabbed her, you 560 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 1: know she does. I mean, Jess got more game you 561 00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 1: And I've seen that a million times in criminal cases. 562 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 1: Now we're typically talking about dead bodies, but where women 563 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:09,319 Speaker 1: usually or children are grabbed by someone on their arms 564 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,480 Speaker 1: above the elbows or yanking them along under the elbow, 565 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,359 Speaker 1: and those are actually finger bruises where the fingers are 566 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,239 Speaker 1: the thumb imprint into the child's arms. Yes, I would 567 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,799 Speaker 1: be suspicious of that, like she's saying, we can't prove that, 568 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:27,280 Speaker 1: but I would be suspicious. Yeah, I would. And that's great, Amber. 569 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,360 Speaker 1: I'm glad that you did you just say about pictures. 570 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:33,120 Speaker 1: Did you show that to the so called county prosecutor. No, 571 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 1: I wasn't allowed to bring my phones into the meeting, 572 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 1: so but they never asked me to sing them to 573 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,240 Speaker 1: them either. Good. Great, I'm glad you've got Slango working 574 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,560 Speaker 1: for you. For Pete's sake, I see this as a 575 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:50,239 Speaker 1: huge miscarriage of justice. I mean, at least at the least, 576 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,840 Speaker 1: the county prosecutor could take the case to try and 577 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,279 Speaker 1: let a journey say not guilty if they want to. 578 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,440 Speaker 1: But I've got a feeling once they hear this audio tape, 579 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,759 Speaker 1: they won't say not guilty. Hey, Ben s Lengo, you're 580 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 1: the lawyer for Amber Pack. Is this jurisdiction West Virginia, 581 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,520 Speaker 1: which I visited many times. I've got a relative from 582 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:16,000 Speaker 1: West Virginia. Is that a one or two party recording state? State? Wonderful? Yeah, 583 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:17,759 Speaker 1: and it gets even better. There's a West Virginia case 584 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 1: right on point where the mother her consent can transfer 585 00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,960 Speaker 1: to the child, so the tape is admissible. Yeah, well 586 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,719 Speaker 1: we're talking about Sorry, went to a warp speed there, 587 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,319 Speaker 1: lawyer taught. I hate it when lawyers do that. What 588 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,680 Speaker 1: it is is when you make a secret recording of someone. 589 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:37,520 Speaker 1: In some states, both parties, the recorder and the record 590 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,480 Speaker 1: ee have to agree to be taped. In many other states, 591 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,520 Speaker 1: I think the majority it's one party consent, Like you 592 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,920 Speaker 1: can take people to call you in your home in 593 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,880 Speaker 1: many states. And that's what happened here. Amber did the recording, 594 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,120 Speaker 1: the teachers did not consent to it, but that is 595 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:55,240 Speaker 1: admissible in West Virginia to you, Robert Willinski, Crime online 596 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:59,240 Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter. What now, Nancy? So going forward, 597 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,400 Speaker 1: here's what we have. Amber Pack's attorney, Ben Silango, believes 598 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,520 Speaker 1: he can prove her daughter was also physically assaulted. So 599 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,480 Speaker 1: he is filing a civil lawsuit with the goal of 600 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,640 Speaker 1: having a jury decide damages and if money is awarded, 601 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:13,719 Speaker 1: it would go into a trust for the little girl 602 00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,759 Speaker 1: to have when she turns eighteen. Now, meanwhile, and other 603 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,040 Speaker 1: developments get this, they are in search of a new 604 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,680 Speaker 1: school superintendent. The Berkeley County Board of Ed, in a 605 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:27,120 Speaker 1: unanimous vote, has accepted the resignation of Manny Arvon, who 606 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:31,040 Speaker 1: is retiring. And I use air quotes here. By all accounts, 607 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,919 Speaker 1: he was totally ineffective. As you'll recall, amber Pack gives 608 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,239 Speaker 1: the audio tape to police. Police turn it over to 609 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,200 Speaker 1: the principle. The principal turns it over to the superintendent 610 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:44,759 Speaker 1: and guess what, nothing, Absolutely nothing was done. So now 611 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,840 Speaker 1: he's retiring, Nancy. So what now, Amber Pack? What do 612 00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,080 Speaker 1: you want to happen now? And how can I help you? 613 00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:57,239 Speaker 1: I want them criminally charged. I want cameras in the classrooms. 614 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,960 Speaker 1: I kind of feel like our whole board of education 615 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:07,120 Speaker 1: needs looked into. We have we're passing down principal roles 616 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,640 Speaker 1: at schools like their family business. You know, there's no 617 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,200 Speaker 1: reason everyone's son or daughter on the board has or 618 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,760 Speaker 1: brother or you know, is a principal at a school. 619 00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:20,160 Speaker 1: Which it just it doesn't make sense to me. Everyone 620 00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,680 Speaker 1: here is related. In prayse mine, that's quite the coin, 621 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:26,800 Speaker 1: kid ink the coincidence, the coincidence that every year on 622 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,480 Speaker 1: the school board, somehow your relatives get to be principles. 623 00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:31,880 Speaker 1: You know what sounds to me like there's a whole 624 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,960 Speaker 1: lot of house cleaning that needs to be done. Go 625 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,680 Speaker 1: to crime online dot com if you want to hear 626 00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,400 Speaker 1: these audio recordings, if you want to read about this, 627 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,840 Speaker 1: if you want your voice to be heard, which I 628 00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:47,799 Speaker 1: do because it would be my honor one day to 629 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:51,759 Speaker 1: meet Adrian and to meet Amber Pack and Ben Selango 630 00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:56,080 Speaker 1: and doctor Adrian Wood. I want to thank all of you, 631 00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:59,320 Speaker 1: including Joe Scott Morgan, doctor Daniel Bober, and Robin Wilensky. 632 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,759 Speaker 1: Let's pray to God we can make a difference, and 633 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,800 Speaker 1: we can make a change for the better in this world. 634 00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:11,120 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace's Crime Story signing off, good Bye FRIP.