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We've got some bombshell new reporting 0:00:54.280 --> 0:00:57.120 just out this morning that says the US is nearly 0:00:57.320 --> 0:01:02.360 out of all long range precision missiles. This comes amidst 0:01:02.400 --> 0:01:05.240 a very precarious moment, obviously for the conflict, so we'll 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:08.360 break that down. An Israeli settler has said that one 0:01:08.440 --> 0:01:11.840 Jewish life is worth millions of Palestinians in Israel is 0:01:11.880 --> 0:01:15.960 certainly acting like it as we speak. The Flock CEO 0:01:16.240 --> 0:01:20.040 is saying that the activist organization dflock, which exposes where 0:01:20.080 --> 0:01:23.679 their cameras are located, is a terrorist organization. We are 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:27.119 currently intervening in the Japanese currency market. It's a real 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:30.600 sign of the global economic fragility that the Iran war 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:33.039 has caused. 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Before we get to our 0:02:56.400 --> 0:02:59.280 great analyst, Logan, we are going to, of course have 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:00.720 a livestream here on our channel. 0:03:00.760 --> 0:03:02.640 Let's put it up here on the screen. 0:03:02.680 --> 0:03:06.440 Both Crystal and Ryan will be live seven thirty pm 0:03:06.639 --> 0:03:09.840 Eastern Time on our channel to look at all of 0:03:09.880 --> 0:03:12.680 the election results coming in from across the country. But, 0:03:12.760 --> 0:03:14.919 as I said, Logan Phillips, race to the White House, 0:03:14.919 --> 0:03:17.000 our great friend here of the show joined us now 0:03:17.120 --> 0:03:17.800 in the studio. 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:18.960 Logan, it's good to see you. 0:03:19.040 --> 0:03:21.240 Thank you so much for joining us to break all 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:23.880 of this craziness down. I can't believe it's been so 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:26.280 long since we last saw each other. But we're very 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:27.880 glad to have you here in the studio. 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:29.800 Hey, so great to be back on with you guys. 0:03:30.000 --> 0:03:32.680 Very welcome. All right, so let's go ahead and kick off, Christal, 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:34.280 what do you think so. 0:03:34.440 --> 0:03:37.560 Of course, Logan, the marquee race tonight is Abdullah said 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:43.080 versus Hailey Stevens that Michigan Democratic Senate primary. A flood 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:46.040 of money has come in on Hailey Stephens side. Let's 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:47.680 put a three up on the screen. It's not that 0:03:47.680 --> 0:03:50.480 Abdul hasn't had money. It's just that it pales in 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:55.160 comparison to the eighty million dollars that have come in 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:58.680 overall here the vast majority of it for Hailey Stevens. 0:03:59.400 --> 0:03:59.920 Is it working? 0:04:00.000 --> 0:04:00.200 You know? 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:03.040 What are the polls saying about who is likely to 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:04.960 prevail in that particular race tonight? 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:06.800 Yeah, I don't think it's working at all. I mean 0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:09.320 maybe to some degree, and it has helped make the 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:13.400 race somewhat competitive, But we've seen voters break strongly in 0:04:13.440 --> 0:04:16.240 the last few weeks from the point where Stevens was 0:04:16.279 --> 0:04:19.000 down by three percent to l said He's game twenty 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:21.720 percent in the last few weeks, and Stevens is only 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:24.400 gain ten. So at this point he's coming in as 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:27.960 the clear favorite in my personal primary model, a ninety 0:04:27.960 --> 0:04:30.960 percent chance to win. Wow, and betting markets have it 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:34.600 even higher. So it would require we were talking about 0:04:34.600 --> 0:04:38.760 this earlier, a twenty sixteen style upset like Bernie Sanders 0:04:38.800 --> 0:04:42.000 had against Hillary Clinton. But this time around, we have 0:04:42.120 --> 0:04:43.919 lots of polling instead of one pole that have to 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:46.400 be wrong. So he's in great shape. 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:47.560 Look, yeah, you just. 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:52.000 Talked generally about some of the reason why these establishment 0:04:52.120 --> 0:04:56.000 politicians endorsing these figures doesn't seem to be having the 0:04:56.040 --> 0:04:59.599 impact that it previously had. Like for example, you had 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:02.760 Governor or Whitmer, you had you know, the outgoing Senator 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:05.560 Gary Peters endorsed in this race. It seems to have 0:05:05.600 --> 0:05:09.000 basically had a non existent impact on the race. That's 0:05:09.120 --> 0:05:12.719 very uncommon. Previously, endorsements actually used to be at least 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:15.279 somewhat of a sign of strength and of ability to 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:18.240 confer you know, legitimacy on that person, But this time 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:19.520 around doesn't seem to be do in that at all. 0:05:19.600 --> 0:05:20.400 Yeah, what do you think that is? 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:22.920 It's just a fundamental change of what primary voters are 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:24.800 looking for, and that's why we're seeing a lot more 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:29.320 candidates like Elsay do so well. Voters on the Democratic primaries. 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:32.160 They're upset at two things. Obviously, they're upset at Donald Trump, 0:05:32.360 --> 0:05:34.279 and they want change, but you can't ran like you 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:37.120 did last term. More it's about finding Donald Trump because 0:05:37.200 --> 0:05:39.960 the group they're second most unhappy with is Democrats. And 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:42.760 maybe in twenty twenty five that was about not fighting 0:05:42.800 --> 0:05:45.400 Trump effectively. But now people have come to the conclusion, 0:05:45.480 --> 0:05:47.760 or at least a lot of these voters that the 0:05:47.839 --> 0:05:51.440 way Democrats have been governing hasn't been enough to change 0:05:51.720 --> 0:05:54.680 the fundamental problems they have of society. So it's not 0:05:54.720 --> 0:05:57.600 just they want society change, they want the political system change. 0:05:58.000 --> 0:06:00.880 And I don't necessarily think out set of young voters 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:06.039 that they're inherently that much pro progressive socialist candidates. I 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:07.880 think it's that they want candidates that are going to 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:09.760 say they're going to make changes, and the socialists and 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:12.640 progressive candidates have the best ready made playbook from that 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:13.160 from day one. 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:14.360 Yeah, I think that's a good point. 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:19.800 Also, obviously, logan Israel has become a central dividing line 0:06:19.880 --> 0:06:22.800 in among Democratic Party elites. It's not so much a 0:06:22.839 --> 0:06:25.479 dividing line among the base who want to see a 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:29.840 different relationship. Abdul's views on Israel have been a major 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:32.040 focus during this race. Let's go ahead and take a 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:35.320 listen to some questioning of him on MSNBC and how 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:35.920 he responded. 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:40.839 Your campaign has been largely and loudly populist but also 0:06:40.960 --> 0:06:45.599 anti Zionist, and you've sort of married those two things, 0:06:45.760 --> 0:06:52.160 equating funding for Israel with underfunding healthcare, for example. Are 0:06:52.160 --> 0:06:55.800 you worried that that framing juxtaposing the Jewish funding for 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:58.480 the Jewish state against the needs of in your own words, 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:02.520 our own people echoes. An old anti Semitic trope. 0:07:03.720 --> 0:07:06.960 May just be very very clear. You know who benefits 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:09.960 from guaranteed healthcare in this country, Jewish Americans. The idea 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:12.720 that somehow we are going to use the specter of 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:16.520 anti Semitism to defend what a foreign government is doing, 0:07:16.600 --> 0:07:19.800 actually has does a deep disservice to the well being 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:23.240 of Jewish Americans in this country. Judaism and the Jewish 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:26.239 people are a light onto the world, beautiful faith, beautiful people. 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:29.520 Contributions that they've made to this country alone are staggering, 0:07:29.920 --> 0:07:32.520 and I'm looking forward to standing with the Jewish community 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:36.080 against anti Semitism. After all, anti Semitism and Islamophobia are 0:07:36.080 --> 0:07:38.160 one in the same and we need to take them on. 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:41.680 But we cannot sit idly by and ask why is 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:44.040 it that our three point three billion dollars a year 0:07:44.080 --> 0:07:48.320 at baseline is used to fund apartheid at baseline genocide 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:50.880 over the last several years a war. We have no 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:53.760 business fighting with the attempt to annex the southern part 0:07:53.920 --> 0:07:57.040 of a neighboring country. And then wonder why our kids' 0:07:57.040 --> 0:07:59.320 schools look like they did fifty years ago. 0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:02.840 The reality, respectfully, you haven't made that same trade off 0:08:02.920 --> 0:08:05.880 argument with regards to other items in the US is 0:08:05.920 --> 0:08:07.160 eight hundred billion dollars. 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:11.240 No, no, no, I have you just don't cover it. 0:08:11.280 --> 0:08:12.880 I'll say the same thing about the money we send 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:15.280 to Egypt, which is where my family comes from. So 0:08:15.320 --> 0:08:16.840 if you want to go ahead and call me anti Egyptian, 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:18.960 go ahead and do that. But the reality is that 0:08:19.040 --> 0:08:21.440 on principle, I don't think we should be sending unconditional 0:08:21.480 --> 0:08:24.000 foreign military aid to any government because none of. 0:08:23.960 --> 0:08:25.000 Us actually. 0:08:26.320 --> 0:08:31.440 Orn's no religious states writ large on. 0:08:31.440 --> 0:08:32.800 Principle, I absolutely am. 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:33.640 So. 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:35.280 I think you see a couple of things in that club. 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:36.959 I mean number one, I think you see his very 0:08:37.000 --> 0:08:40.600 talented political athletes there handles those questions. 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:40.840 Well. 0:08:40.920 --> 0:08:43.600 I think that sort of framing has really only helped 0:08:43.640 --> 0:08:47.760 him in the race because of how strongly the Democratic 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:49.959 base feels about these issues at this point. 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:51.920 And it's not just him. You look just at the 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:52.720 state of Michigan. 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:55.800 You've got Will Lawrence, who looks like effectively issue and 0:08:55.800 --> 0:08:59.199 in his primary also left a candidate. You've got Donovan 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:03.280 Kinney who is against an incumbent Democrat, and again, looks 0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:05.400 very much like he's going to be able to prevail there. 0:09:05.640 --> 0:09:07.920 You've got Corey Bush who has a shot at a 0:09:07.920 --> 0:09:11.520 comeback in Missouri against Wesley Bell. And of course this 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:14.480 comes on the heels of other victories for candidates who 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:17.280 have been, you know, a validly anti Zionist or at 0:09:17.360 --> 0:09:20.440 least want a significant change in the relationship with regard 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:22.920 to Israel. So how central has this become for the 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:24.960 Democratic base? How are they viewing this? 0:09:25.320 --> 0:09:27.240 Yeah, I think it's I think it's been huge. And 0:09:27.559 --> 0:09:30.440 you said that the establishment's pre united on this. I 0:09:30.440 --> 0:09:33.640 honestly think most Democratic primary voters are as well, but 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:37.360 just in the other direction. And I think that there's 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:39.160 something to be said. It's not an easy thing to 0:09:39.160 --> 0:09:41.800 do that l side, and we've seen this with Mayor 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:44.400 Mom Donn in New York City, to reframe the way 0:09:44.559 --> 0:09:47.599 that we talk about this, right, because there are a 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:49.320 lot of people in the establish, from whever their senators 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:53.280 or the reporters, who will frame the context of Israel 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:56.079 and Gaza in a way that just feels completely unrelated 0:09:56.120 --> 0:09:58.280 to the reality on the ground, where you know, our 0:09:58.320 --> 0:10:01.000 bombs have been used to kill tens of thousands of civilians, 0:10:01.400 --> 0:10:03.679 and we saw this when you guys were interviewing Senator 0:10:03.720 --> 0:10:07.360 Slotkin a year ago. There's a massive discomfort for these 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:09.680 for a lot of these folks who care about genocides 0:10:09.679 --> 0:10:12.640 and massatrocities everywhere else in the world, but have just 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:14.880 this cognitive dissonance on this issue. When you state the 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:18.520 facts cleanly, I think it just makes basic sense to 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:21.680 voters that it's unacceptable for us to be responsible for 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:22.679 this type of carnage. 0:10:22.840 --> 0:10:23.080 Yeah. 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:25.319 The other thing is that Haley Stevens has run a 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:30.679 very bizarre campaign. She recently attacked Abdul Sayed, saying that 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:35.960 he hates Jewish Americans. She's been attacking him as doing, 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:39.080 you know, things with cool kids on the internet, which 0:10:39.120 --> 0:10:42.120 is clearly like a swipe. I guess, you know, shows 0:10:42.160 --> 0:10:47.080 like ours or other influencers, democratic influences, people like Hassan Piker. 0:10:47.240 --> 0:10:50.640 Here's her recently attacking Alsaia on these grounds. Take a listen, 0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:51.400 we'll get your reaction. 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:55.000 Okay, some of you have seen, you know, there's those 0:10:55.120 --> 0:11:01.080 cool kids on the internet. They're doing the kid chatter. 0:11:02.640 --> 0:11:07.319 Some of them might be the coastal elites making fun 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:14.520 of how I talk. Not okay, says my governor. 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:17.640 But let's be real. 0:11:19.240 --> 0:11:23.920 They're making fun of Michigan. They're thinking they're better than us. 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:30.320 And what they don't know is I am your voice, 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:36.240 and their jokes and their criticism only makes me fight harder. 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:45.240 There's a lot going on there. 0:11:46.000 --> 0:11:48.559 They're beyond the statements. 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:49.920 I'm trying to be serious. 0:11:50.800 --> 0:11:53.000 But you know, to my earlier point, you got Jim 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:55.360 Cliburn standing right behind her right, one of the most 0:11:55.400 --> 0:11:59.320 powerful Democratic you know, establishment figures in the nation, probably 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:02.760 single handed more responsible for Biden becoming president than any 0:12:02.840 --> 0:12:05.400 other figure. They're currently trying to move the Democratic primary 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:08.040 South Carolina, his home state, to be the number one 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:10.520 first state to give them momentum to a more established 0:12:10.520 --> 0:12:12.679 from Canada. You had grins and whitmer off camera the 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:16.600 city governor, as I just said, she has leaned heavily 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:19.480 with a lot of support from these super packs and others. 0:12:19.679 --> 0:12:22.400 Why do you think ultimately that this kind of home 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:23.800 core Michigan. 0:12:23.920 --> 0:12:25.640 You know, it's like outsiders. 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:29.160 I guess people like us in Washington or wherever ASSMB lives, California. 0:12:29.400 --> 0:12:31.520 We're coming in, you know, into our state. Why is 0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:32.120 this not working? 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:34.080 It's very traditional, We're work in a you know, white 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:37.520 working class state like Michigan battleground state as well. 0:12:37.559 --> 0:12:38.160 What do you think. 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:41.560 Yeah, I think that voters may appreciate some of these people. 0:12:41.960 --> 0:12:45.000 In Clevernes's case, this guy has extreme power in certain areas, 0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:47.400 very powerful in South Carolina where voters really trust his 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:50.280 opinion right, very powerful for other establishment members, and in 0:12:50.320 --> 0:12:52.840 Congress not so powerful regular primary. 0:12:52.600 --> 0:12:53.600 Voters outside the state. 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:56.079 So it's more of a signal to other members to 0:12:56.160 --> 0:12:58.640 back her than I think he's going to be a 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:03.640 heavyweight to influence things case. Look, yeah, she's still popular. 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:05.680 She is popular a little less so after this endorse, 0:13:05.760 --> 0:13:10.560 especially at least in one poll. But I think voters 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:12.640 a lot of them are saying, hey, we appreciate you, 0:13:13.000 --> 0:13:15.560 but we're also looking for some changes. It's not that 0:13:15.600 --> 0:13:18.400 it's a full sale rejection of every member of the establishment. 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:21.520 It's sort of sometimes for some folks, it absolutely is. 0:13:21.559 --> 0:13:23.320 For some other people, it's sort of a yes and 0:13:23.960 --> 0:13:25.920 that in the same way that there were plenty of 0:13:25.960 --> 0:13:29.520 Barack Obama supporters that wanted Bernie Sanders to be president, 0:13:29.600 --> 0:13:31.600 and wasn't a rejection to him. They just wanted some 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:33.680 things that aren't getting taken care of to be addressed. 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:36.640 Good point to that point, let's put a eight up 0:13:36.679 --> 0:13:39.280 on the screen here. We've got some more details about 0:13:39.320 --> 0:13:43.640 why respondents in this poll backed Abdul And you can 0:13:43.640 --> 0:13:46.120 see the few things that jump down at you our money, 0:13:46.240 --> 0:13:51.280 medicare and support and people should know his tagline is 0:13:51.480 --> 0:13:54.400 money out of politics, money in your pocket, and Medicare 0:13:54.440 --> 0:13:58.319 for all. So clearly his message landed with people because 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:01.680 they are citing exactly the line that he was pushing, 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:04.080 you know, for his tagline for the campaign. And the 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:08.000 most common themes mentioned behind these individual words that were 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:10.560 pulled out is under money, getting money out of politics, 0:14:10.600 --> 0:14:12.840 putting money in your pocket. Again, that is his tagline, 0:14:13.160 --> 0:14:16.160 not taking money from corporate packs, keeping tax dollars in 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:20.080 America rather than overseas, grassroots small dollar fundraising from medicare 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:22.880 obviously Medicare for All in his medical background, and then 0:14:22.920 --> 0:14:26.480 support the fact he had endorsements from Bernie Sanders, AOC, 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:30.640 Elizabeth Warren, the UAW and grassroots support that made a 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:35.160 difference to people. So the more national endorsements, it seems, 0:14:35.200 --> 0:14:38.840 actually hit harder than those local endorsements. But I think 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:41.320 this gives a good window into one of the other 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:45.120 problems that centrists have struggled with is there was a 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:48.480 very clear agenda and platform from Abdul, not just with 0:14:48.520 --> 0:14:50.840 regard to Israel, but to these central themes of his 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:53.400 campaign of what he cares about and what he's going 0:14:53.440 --> 0:14:56.240 to do. And meanwhile, you've got Haley Stevens talking about, 0:14:56.280 --> 0:14:58.880 you know, cool kids on the internet and just talking 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:02.160 exclusively about the these powerful figures that are backing her. 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:06.000 It also seems like to me logan in these responses 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:09.800 from actual supporters that I think some of the money 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:12.160 that came in for her really backfired. You know, as 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:14.640 people were getting flooded with these ads. Abdil had a 0:15:14.720 --> 0:15:16.640 very smart strategy in their debates, saying, Hey, in the 0:15:16.640 --> 0:15:18.880 next commercial break, you're gonna see probably two three ads 0:15:19.160 --> 0:15:22.600 from my opponent. And I think he very cleverly turned 0:15:22.640 --> 0:15:25.080 that and weaponized it against her and made it a 0:15:25.160 --> 0:15:27.440 problem for her that she was getting all of this money. 0:15:27.720 --> 0:15:29.120 Yeah, I don't think it's gonna be the last one 0:15:29.160 --> 0:15:30.920 to use this. It's sort of like a Jedi mind trick. 0:15:30.920 --> 0:15:33.440 Even though I think it's true that he's conditioning and 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:35.280 preparing people for these attack ads. Now they have to 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:37.960 be paying enough attention to hear him. But he has 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:40.280 done that. He's done some counter ads, even if they're 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:42.400 not as well funded, where he highlights where some of 0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:44.560 the money is coming from. And I think this stuff 0:15:44.600 --> 0:15:47.840 helps narrow how much damage it does. Maybe he doesn't 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:49.880 get rid of it entirely, because eighty million is a lot. 0:15:49.920 --> 0:15:51.480 And I do think it's had effect on the general 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:54.000 electorate because you don't normally have eighty five million in 0:15:54.040 --> 0:15:56.840 the Democratic primary dumped in you to attack you in 0:15:56.880 --> 0:16:02.920 the middle of July. But it's something that I wouldn't 0:16:02.960 --> 0:16:06.200 be surprised if we see a presidential primary candidate do too. 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:10.800 When you're going to see ads from healthcare companies trying 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:14.120 to sell you on an alternative to what some of 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:16.240 the candidates are talking about, whether they're talking about Medicare 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:18.600 for all, wants it or Medicare for all, and you know, 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:20.360 just a little wink to the camera and say, hey, 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:23.320 maybe we'll get a little text from one of their 0:16:23.480 --> 0:16:25.880 campaign staffers and say you just saw this text. Just 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:29.040 a signal of what they're already willing to do against us. 0:16:29.560 --> 0:16:30.560 Yeah, I think that's a good point. 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:32.400 Let's put a nine up here on the screen can 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:33.920 tell us a little bit about some of these other 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:38.200 Michigan races where things stand. You got Michigan one, Michigan seven, 0:16:38.200 --> 0:16:41.600 Michigan eleven, Michigan thirteen. These are some of the other 0:16:41.680 --> 0:16:44.680 progressive kind of upstart candidates, any of that. You can 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:46.400 pick and choose any of these and where you see 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:48.760 things because they are contested Democratic primaries. 0:16:48.880 --> 0:16:50.960 Yeah, I think Michigan seventh is the most interesting. You 0:16:51.000 --> 0:16:54.800 have three like pretty impressive candidates. You have Will Lawrence, 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:58.520 who has helped create the Sunrise movement. You have the 0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:01.600 former ambassador to Ukraine and running Bridget Brink, and then 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:04.920 you have Matt Massadam who carried the nuclear football while 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:07.160 advising I remember if it was President Biden or Trump 0:17:07.240 --> 0:17:11.440 or Obama right, And I think what we're seeing in 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:14.480 some of these races, especially for candidates on the left, 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:18.840 is endorsements matter to some degree for candidates right for voters. 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:20.960 And I think it's also like the people endorse the 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:22.639 candidate they think it's going to win, so it's a 0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:25.200 signal of who's going to win. But I think that 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:29.280 like young voters who are more on the left, tend 0:17:29.320 --> 0:17:31.840 to be looking at these endorsements a lot more seriously, 0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:34.720 partly because they're newer to this, partly because it's a 0:17:34.760 --> 0:17:37.240 real signal about who they can trust. And so I've 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:40.840 been noticing that, like AOC, Bernie Sanders' endorsement seems to 0:17:40.880 --> 0:17:42.760 matter in some of these races more than lots of 0:17:42.800 --> 0:17:44.920 local heavyweight endorsements with similar big names. 0:17:45.000 --> 0:17:46.600 We've noticed the same thing very true. 0:17:49.400 --> 0:17:51.840 It's not just Michigan with elections tonight. 0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:54.760 We're also keeping eye on Missouri, where there's a rematch 0:17:54.840 --> 0:17:58.920 between former Congressman Corey Bush, who was unseated by Wesley Bell, 0:17:59.119 --> 0:18:01.639 so they are going up against each other now. Ryan 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:05.560 interviewed Corey Bush last week and asked her if she 0:18:05.640 --> 0:18:07.800 felt like it was a different day in the Democratic 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:11.399 Party now because at the time of that primary, her opponent, 0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:14.760 Wesley Bell was funded by millions of dollars from APAC. 0:18:14.800 --> 0:18:17.840 He is again this time as well. It became one 0:18:17.840 --> 0:18:22.280 of the most expensive primary fights in American history, and 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:25.320 it was successful, And so he asked her if you know, 0:18:25.440 --> 0:18:28.520 she felt like now the Democratic electorate was more attuned 0:18:28.880 --> 0:18:31.480 to the money, this money from APAC in particular in 0:18:31.480 --> 0:18:33.760 their allied groups, and whether that was going to make 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:35.800 a difference in her race. Let's go ahead and take 0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:36.680 a listen to a little. 0:18:36.480 --> 0:18:37.320 Bit of that. 0:18:37.320 --> 0:18:40.680 That was the case in twenty twenty four. People did 0:18:40.720 --> 0:18:44.800 not know who APAK was. Some have you know, I've 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:47.240 heard about him, but I really didn't know, you know, 0:18:47.920 --> 0:18:50.679 that they would get involved in your, you know, in 0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:56.000 someone's election. And now that people know. So it took 0:18:56.320 --> 0:18:59.439 what happened to Jamal Bowman and I for people to 0:18:59.520 --> 0:19:03.600 really see what happened. Because after Jamal and I lost 0:19:03.640 --> 0:19:07.400 our races, even though years before you had the same 0:19:07.400 --> 0:19:10.800 thing happened to Nina Turner, and then there were you know, 0:19:10.920 --> 0:19:13.919 other people who you know in between that time that 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:16.879 where APAC you know, got involved in those races. But 0:19:17.000 --> 0:19:19.679