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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. This this episode number one tennis show.

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Speaker 1: Dan and I are covering a number of different topics,

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Speaker 1: including talking a little turkey, discussing my recent cross country

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Speaker 1: public land adventures, and discussing some of the latest news

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Speaker 1: related to the future of our public lands. All right,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Sick Gear, and today we're kind of talking about

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Speaker 1: a whole slew of different things, including turkeys, my recent

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Speaker 1: adventures and misadventures traveling across the country and exploring our

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Speaker 1: nation's public lands. Uh, speaking of her, and talk a

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Speaker 1: little bit about the latest news related to the public

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Speaker 1: land transfer movement, and who knows what else. It's just

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Speaker 1: me and Dan today, so you just you just never

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Speaker 1: know where things might go. So Dan, it's it's been

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Speaker 1: a while, dude. How are you? Oh man, I'm doing good.

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Speaker 1: I'm jack. Uh. Like you said in intro, I start

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Speaker 1: my Turkey vacation in about three hours. I have one

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Speaker 1: more meeting here at work and then Uh, well I

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Speaker 1: shouldn't say that. Yeah. Well anyway, I'm I'm recording this

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Speaker 1: over my lunch hour, right, I have one or two

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Speaker 1: more meetings and then I'm out of here for I

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Speaker 1: got Friday off, so I'm out of here. That's awesome, man.

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Speaker 1: I Uh, I'm excited to hear how it goes. What's

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Speaker 1: the plan? What's the game plan for Turkey Weekend? Well,

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you when it comes to Turkey Weekend. It's

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Speaker 1: all about for me. Now it's transitioned from going and

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Speaker 1: me trying to get a bird to basically just going

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Speaker 1: and spending time with the family. My first goal is

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Speaker 1: to straight up have as much fun as possible, uh,

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Speaker 1: to try to go and get my wife a bird first.

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Speaker 1: So um, I'll roll into town. I'll set up a

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Speaker 1: blind in a spot that has produced for us several

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Speaker 1: years now. It's pretty much if if they fly down,

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Speaker 1: they're gonna be right there. And if they cooperate and

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Speaker 1: they come in even just like ten yards, then my

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Speaker 1: wife should have a shot. And then after that, if

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Speaker 1: my stepdad hasn't tagged out, I'll probably go call for him.

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Speaker 1: And then last but not least, Uh, there's time left

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Speaker 1: I'll go out and bang on, bang on a couple

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Speaker 1: of public ground pieces near my house, or try to

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Speaker 1: go to a different part of the farm than I hunt.

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Speaker 1: So nice, man, are you gonna get to take the

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Speaker 1: kids out all now? Um? There, my boy, he's definitely

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Speaker 1: not ready for it yet. But I don't think my

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Speaker 1: something that next week, after, you know, my turkey hunting

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Speaker 1: is officially over, I might take a blind out and

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Speaker 1: But she is a ball of energy, so that means

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Speaker 1: she does it sit still and she's not quiet. That's

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Speaker 1: not conducive to get turkey hunting, is it? Absolutely not?

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Speaker 1: That's awesome? Um So, what's like this set up? I'm

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Speaker 1: just kind of curious, you know, I got turkeys on

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Speaker 1: that you think is is so good historically from a

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Speaker 1: turkey hunting perspective? Why is it so good? What makes

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Speaker 1: it a good spot to set up? Well? Typically, what

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Speaker 1: it's I set up in the middle of a cat

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Speaker 1: a cattle pasture, right, so I get between the timber

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Speaker 1: right in the middle of this cattle pasture. So the

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Speaker 1: the next morning and uh do it again. And typically

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Speaker 1: if you make the right adjustments. We've just been lucky

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Speaker 1: what I've used the past two years. Before I've I've

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Speaker 1: And I've used that probably the most. But I've had

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Speaker 1: But it's it's crazy because man Iowa season, like this

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Speaker 1: But I just feel like the Turkey season is really

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Speaker 1: So I always like there's that excitement right after the

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Speaker 1: So all of it, everything, everything I've kind of just

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Speaker 1: struck just outside of Grange. And and this is what

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Speaker 1: I've heard from someone smarter than me. When a when

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Speaker 1: come to the tom. Right, so hunters the way we

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Speaker 1: that the tom will come to us. When in nature

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Speaker 1: the tom's gobble to get the hens to come to them, right,

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Speaker 1: we're asking him to go reverse exactly, which is a

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Speaker 1: tough sell. That's right, that's right. It's just almost like

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Speaker 1: just like beat on his chest and women would come

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Speaker 1: flocking to him. Yes, something like that. Would that be nice? No,

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Speaker 1: it wouldn't be Mark, because we're married men now back

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Speaker 1: in the day day, back in the day day. Oh man. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the stuff I'm doing right now, But at the same time,

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Speaker 1: I do miss the fact that I could be turkey

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Speaker 1: hunting in Michigan right now, because that is that is

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Speaker 1: so much fun. When we've talked about it before, how

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Speaker 1: much fun is to be able to share it with

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Speaker 1: maybe do a float down the Colorado River. We pulled

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00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:44,160
Speaker 1: in the town though, and it is like packed pack

427
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,480
Speaker 1: pack pack, way way more than I've ever seen. And

428
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 1: there's jeeps everywhere, huge jacked up jeeps, the big tires

429
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,640
Speaker 1: and I mean like everywhere. The streets are just flooded

430
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,440
Speaker 1: with him. And I'm like, what is going on? Look,

431
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,640
Speaker 1: is there something going on online? And we looked online

432
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:01,120
Speaker 1: and it's like the annual Jeeps so Far Convention thing

433
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 1: of the Nation was happening in moeb this week. Um,

434
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,879
Speaker 1: so there was just thousands and thousands of thousands of

435
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 1: people with all their off road vehicles just packed. Every campsite,

436
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 1: all the public land was covered with this stuff. Talent

437
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,679
Speaker 1: was packed, I mean it was it was a lot

438
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:17,919
Speaker 1: of stuff going on. So we had a hell of

439
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 1: a time trying to find a campsite. Um. We drove

440
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,160
Speaker 1: all over place and like I drove up this one

441
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 1: like weird hairpinned road and I'm trying to haul the

442
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 1: trailer up this like ten percent grade and I'm like,

443
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,880
Speaker 1: holy ship, we're gonna start rolling backwards. My truck can't

444
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 1: handle this. So like all that kind of stuff just

445
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 1: led It really stressed me out. We finally found a

446
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 1: spot to camp, but it was like a shared campsite

447
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 1: and it was the only spot we could find. So

448
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 1: it was like us and a very nice Russian couple

449
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 1: and their daughter. Um, but like there their tent and

450
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 1: like their fire pit was like four ft away from ours,

451
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 1: so if we want to sit at our table and

452
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 1: have a fire, it was basically with them. So it

453
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:03,199
Speaker 1: was an ideal um. But basically we hung out there

454
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 1: for a few days, did a couple of cool hikes.

455
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,479
Speaker 1: A really cool place that if anyone's ever out there

456
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:11,399
Speaker 1: in moeb they should check out is the Fisher Towers. Um.

457
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 1: They are these just massive I guess it's sandstone, um,

458
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,200
Speaker 1: just formations coming off of these cliff walls, and it's

459
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 1: absolutely gorgeous, really cool. It's on Blm Land, so it's

460
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 1: public land. It's free to get to. There's a free

461
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:29,239
Speaker 1: campground right there. Um, very very cool. Did that. We

462
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 1: did some hiking and Arches National Park that was cool, um,

463
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 1: but it was super hot during the day and we

464
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 1: didn't have a power hook up for the camper, so

465
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 1: our dogs were stuck in the trailer um and we

466
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 1: just couldn't stay there very long because of how hot

467
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 1: it was, so we decided to head out to another

468
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 1: part about Utah and Oh, we thought we'd go to

469
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:53,159
Speaker 1: this area around Capitol Reef National Park, which is west

470
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 1: of there, and that ended up being a debacle. But

471
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 1: I'll kind of skim over that. It couldn't find anywhere

472
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 1: to camp again. Too hot again. Me and the wife

473
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 1: are are going the whole time. Um. But we make

474
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 1: it finally after all sorts of indecision and parking the

475
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 1: truck and like, no, let's just screw Utah. We're going

476
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:15,400
Speaker 1: up to Wyoming. And then Kylie's like, well, it's gonna

477
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: really cold in Wyoming. I don't want to be freezing.

478
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,439
Speaker 1: It's like fine, we'll stay in Utah. And then she's like,

479
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 1: you know what, we can't do anything in Utah, Like, well,

480
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 1: screw it, We're going to Wyoming and like we we

481
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 1: we got on him off exits like four different times,

482
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 1: turning around and going back and turning around. And it

483
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 1: was just one of those like husband wife type situations.

484
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 1: That's so basically what what you went through was like

485
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: what I call it Tuesday at my house. Yeah, I

486
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 1: had a Dan Johnson Tuesday. Um. But we finally found

487
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 1: we'd ended up finding spot in Utah that was agreeable

488
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 1: to both of us and relatively warm. It was in

489
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 1: the I don't even know how to stay. This to

490
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 1: stay Unta Nashville Forest, I think, um. And we found

491
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 1: a really cool spot and got a nice campground campsite

492
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,160
Speaker 1: and it was actually free because the campsites were open yet,

493
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: and there's a place to get the camper. And I'm like, God,

494
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 1: a deep sigh of relief, Everything's okay. Finally we've got

495
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 1: a spot. And then I walk around the camper as

496
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 1: we're setting it up and I see fluid leaking out

497
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 1: of the back of our camper into our campsite. I'm like,

498
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: what is this. I get down my hands and knees,

499
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 1: and immediately I can smell it. It's the sewage and

500
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 1: urine leaking out of our sewage tank on the camper.

501
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: So I get down undeath there, and I'm looking around

502
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 1: and I see there's this big pipe that comes out

503
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 1: of what's called the black tank, which is like the

504
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 1: sewer tank. And I'm looking down there and I see

505
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,479
Speaker 1: there's like a steady stream of juice coming out of

506
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 1: the seam and this pipe. And you know, me, I

507
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 1: don't know how to fix anything. I'm not handy, so

508
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 1: my I'm like, my first gut reaction was, okay, do

509
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 1: we have duct tapes? So I get duct tape down there,

510
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,159
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to duct tape over the pipe and

511
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 1: I'm getting pissed all over me and it's leaking and

512
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: rolling down my side and Kylie standard there trying to

513
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: tell me what to do, and I'm down here getting

514
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: covered and pissed and trying to fix this thing and

515
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:13,239
Speaker 1: I'm getting upset. And that didn't go well. I end

516
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 1: up having to drive back into town and go to

517
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,199
Speaker 1: a plumbing supply store and I got this kind of

518
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: self fit hearing plumbers tape and that kind of worked

519
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 1: a little bit. But um, we still have a leaking pisser.

520
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: It's just slowed down now. So that's that's one debacle. Um.

521
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 1: We did have a nice time though in the National Forest.

522
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: We stayed there three days. One day we just went

523
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,400
Speaker 1: hiking through the National Forest, just roaming around the hills

524
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 1: and stuff. Saw a lot of deer. Just beautiful, beautiful country.

525
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: It's kind of a mix of like desert ish landscape

526
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: mixed with like big mountains though around it. So it's

527
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: that kind of stage brush and stuff on the hills,

528
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: but like red clay sand and um, gorgeous. We hiked

529
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 1: to like a hot spring one day and got to

530
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: like sit in like a a natural hot tub kind

531
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: of out there, which was cool. Um, so that was nice.

532
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,040
Speaker 1: But finally we decided to go to Wyoming, and this

533
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: is where my I think my favorite story of the

534
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: whole trip comes in. Here. You're gonna enjoy this one.

535
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: So we leave Utah We're heading for Wyoming and we're like,

536
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 1: all right, you know, we know Wyoming really well. We

537
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: know the area around Jackson and Grand tea time. We've

538
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time here. So I'm like, all right,

539
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: we're gonna get there, and it's we're finally gonna be

540
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: a relaxed, well set up camp. I know exactly the

541
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: camp ground I want to go to. It's a great location.

542
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: We can hook up to sewage and we can get

543
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: power and just kind of, you know, settle back in

544
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: do work. That's where I thought I'd be able to

545
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: record the podcast, and just like kind of settling for

546
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 1: two weeks. Maybe well, I had not done thorough planning

547
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: for this trip, I guess because I was so caught

548
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: up with trying to get the camper renovated and everything.

549
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 1: I didn't bother to check on anything campgrounds or whatnot.

550
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: So we start looking into it, and all the campgrounds

551
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: that we're gonna stay at are all closed still. So

552
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: to fix our leaking pipe, though, I have to empty

553
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: the sewage tank completely towards st dry off, and once

554
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: that piping dries off what stops leaking, then I can

555
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 1: actually put a permanent fix to it. I'm like, all right,

556
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: we need to drain the tank somewhere, but all the

557
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: campgrounds that have sewage hook ups they're all closed. So

558
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: the only thing we knew of is that some truck

559
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: stops have dump stations at them where you can pay

560
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 1: to dump your sewage tank at this thing. Well, I've

561
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 1: never done that before, and I've only ever dumped our

562
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: sewage tank once before this was five days previous at

563
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: the very first campground we stayed at um So I

564
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: don't know what I'm doing. No one's ever told me

565
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 1: how to do this. I'm just like, kind of I

566
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: don't know, looked online. So we go to this dump station.

567
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 1: We pull up to it. I walk in there. I

568
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 1: talked to people by the thing and ask them how

569
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: to use it, and they're like, I don't know, just

570
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: enter this code and dump your tank. And I'm like, oh, okay,

571
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: I guess I'll figure it out. So I go over

572
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: to the dump station. Kylie had to take a conference

573
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 1: call for work, so she's sitting in the trailer on

574
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: a conference call with her employer. I'm outside, standing next

575
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: to the Sewage Inc. Looking at this hose that comes

576
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: from the tank two. I don't know. There's a little

577
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 1: like I don't know how to describe it, just a

578
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 1: little keypad and it says enter key code, enter put

579
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: hose and hole dump. But I can't find a hole.

580
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: There's there's I don't see the dump hole. There's like

581
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: a pipe that looks like a big PBC pipe sticking

582
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: on the ground, and then there's I don't know, there's

583
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: this metal thing that looks like a foot pedal, and

584
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: I'm hitting the foot pedal and the foot pedal doesn't

585
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: do anything, and I'm looking around for holes and I

586
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: see like, I don't know, I'm looking at everything trying fire.

587
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: Where the hell do I put the sewage tank hose?

588
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 1: I can't figure it out. So finally I see this

589
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: pipe and I'm like, that's gotta be it. That's the

590
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: only thing. Looks like I could dump this in, but

591
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: it's like got a hose clamp over it, so it's

592
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: like not easy to get off. So I have to

593
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: use players to yank off this rubber lid over this pipe.

594
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, this is gotta be it, So yank.

595
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: I finally get this thing off, and I want to

596
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: try to dump the tank. In order the dump tank,

597
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: you gotta hold the hose of one hand and then

598
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: you gotta pull this um, I don't know what you

599
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 1: call it. You pull this kind of a lever or handle,

600
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: and you pull this handle out and it opens the

601
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: floodgates and then the tank dumps out. Well, I can't

602
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: reach I can't reach that handle while also holding in

603
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: this pipe, so I have to go in and bug

604
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:22,719
Speaker 1: kylie that she's on a phone call, like I need

605
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: your help get out here. So she's on the phone

606
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: with one hand and she walks over and I said, Okay,

607
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 1: when I put this hose in the hole, you pull

608
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: that handle. So I said, go, She pulls the handle. Well,

609
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: this was not the right hole for me to be

610
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: dumping the dump tank into. So I don't I don't

611
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: have common sense, so I didn't really think about the

612
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 1: fact that the sewage tank, like our tank, is at

613
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: a lower level than the pipe that I'm trying to

614
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: stick the hosing. So gravity was pulling the sewage out

615
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: of our tank into the pipe, but then it wouldn't

616
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: force the sewage up the hill to the pipe where

617
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: I'm at. So when we open that handle, all the

618
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: crap and piss comes flooding into the hose but can't

619
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: go up into the pipe where I'm at. So unbeknownst

620
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: to me, there's holes in our hose, and there's not

621
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: a good seal between our tank and the hose, so

622
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: crap and piss some starts skewering all out of the

623
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: hose all around me and Kylie into the parking lot,

624
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: all around us. I panic. I'm like, turn it off,

625
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: Shut it off, shut it off. This piss stream and everywhere.

626
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: Kylie is on a conference call. She slams the handle down.

627
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: The hose is full of sewage. Now I don't know

628
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: what to do. And then I stepped backwards and I

629
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: happened to step on that foot pedal and that opens

630
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: up a hole. I'm like, oh, that's where I was

631
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 1: supposed to put this stuff. So now I'm like, what

632
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: do we do. We've got feces streaming down the truck

633
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: stop parking lot. I can't reach the hose to the

634
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: proper hole. So I'm like, Kylie, hold the hose. Hold

635
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: the hose. She's on the conference called trying to talk

636
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 1: about business stuff. She grabs hold of the crap hose.

637
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: I jump in the truck. I have to back the

638
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: truck in the camper up like three or four ft

639
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: to the proper hole. Stuff streaming around all over the place.

640
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: I'm looking around like, oh my gosh, are people seeing this.

641
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: I finally get the hose on the right hole, but

642
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 1: I can't get still. Gravity's working against me. So I

643
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: have to disconnect the crapper hose from our camper with

644
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 1: stuff streaming out, hold it in my hands and lifted

645
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: up above my head so that gravity will now shift

646
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 1: it all down into the hole. That results and just

647
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: more stuff all over the place. We did get it

648
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: somewhat drained, but absolutely mortifying situation with a week's worth

649
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: of stuff streaming all over the place. I'm like, all right,

650
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 1: jump in the camper, jump in the truck. We gotta

651
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: get out of here. And uh and we I probably

652
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 1: wouldn't have helped. You sat back and looked at you

653
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 1: and laugh. Yeah, so this is what happened. We were

654
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: supposed to be recording the podcast that was that day,

655
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: and we we ended up. You know, that was a situation,

656
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: but we got it dealt with and kind of cleaned

657
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 1: up and uh. And then we got to Jackson Hole

658
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:13,879
Speaker 1: where we thought were gonna stay. But like I said,

659
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: these campgrounds were closed, and we end up driving around

660
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,879
Speaker 1: for like three or four hours all over the place

661
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: trying to find somewhere we could stay. There was no

662
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: National Park campgrounds open, there's no National Forest campgrounds open.

663
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: Most of the National Forest roads are closed, so we

664
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: couldn't even get to a spot where we could pull

665
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,359
Speaker 1: off in camp. And there weren't even any private campgrounds open,

666
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 1: so we spent the whole damn day driving around, ended

667
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,760
Speaker 1: up finding one place open, but they charged up seventy

668
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: dollars a night to stay there, and uh so we

669
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,439
Speaker 1: got set up though that night and then the next

670
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 1: day kind of by luck we did. And I did

671
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 1: a bunch of looking online just trying to find like

672
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,720
Speaker 1: if there's anyone in a forum that knew of another place,

673
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: or we just started looking at different maps and we

674
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 1: just hadn't looked in this one region before where there

675
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 1: actually were a couple National Forest roads, and there was

676
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 1: one National Forest road that went in there a little

677
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 1: bit before it closed, and we actually got to it

678
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 1: and actually found a spot to put our camper, and

679
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 1: that's where right now. It's actually really cool. It's a

680
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,720
Speaker 1: great spot, it's free. It's in the Bridge or Titon

681
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 1: National Forest looking over the valley towards the Grand Teton.

682
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 1: So it's awesome. Um, but man, it took us a

683
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: lot of stress to get to this point. And like

684
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: every time we want to drive down a sketchy looking road,

685
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: I'm afraid to drive my camper down some of these

686
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: forest roads because like they could be closed down there.

687
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: There's nowhere to turn, there's not pull offs or anything.

688
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 1: I mean it's just sketchy up here. It's lots of

689
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 1: snow and mud everywhere still, so like we have to

690
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,320
Speaker 1: take the camper off, unhitched the camper, leave it somewhere,

691
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: then drive around, then come back, rehitch the whole damn thing,

692
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: then drive around. So it's just been one of those things. Man.

693
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,879
Speaker 1: But Um, but now I think, knock on wood, we're

694
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: we're finally in a good spot. And uh, it's been

695
00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: a lot of lessons learned. I mean we I learned

696
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,439
Speaker 1: how to proper really dumped the tank. Now I've learned

697
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 1: how to fix pipes a little bit. Um, we've lost

698
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: a number of different things, like different caps, different pieces

699
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: and parts of the camper flown off. Um, it's been

700
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: one of those kinds of trips. So that's all right,

701
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: right now, I'll tell you that that's all still sounds fun.

702
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 1: I mean the good the good thing about this is,

703
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: I mean it's an adventure, right. I mean, you know,

704
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: someday you're gonna have kids, probably and you're gonna be

705
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: sitting at home and you're gonna be like, hey, let

706
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 1: me tell you the time that, uh I got specs

707
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: all over my entire body and you're so did your

708
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: mom because we didn't know what the hell we were doing. Yeah,

709
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: it's it'll be a good story, that's for sure. I'm

710
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 1: glad it's behind me and hopefully that never happens again.

711
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,399
Speaker 1: But what is that type type too fun? I guess right,

712
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: it's it's not much fun at the moment, but it's

713
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: great fun afterwards and the and yeah, now stuff is good.

714
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 1: We um. We had a really cool hike Yester. It

715
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: was snowshoot up to the top of this mountain called

716
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: Signal Mountain. That was fun. We've seen tons of elk everywhere,

717
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: moose and deer, and yesterday actually saw a ginormous grizzly bear,

718
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: which is really cool. I saw that. I saw that.

719
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: I was jealous. I was hoping it would like come

720
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: a little bit closer to your camper and like put

721
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: a giant claw mark in it, and then that would

722
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,399
Speaker 1: be with you the rest of the trip. That would

723
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: actually be cool. I'd be okay with that. Where where

724
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 1: we're camped, though, like literally it could happen, like we're

725
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: completely by ourselves way back in this national forest in

726
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: like some serious grizzly territories like every morning, every night,

727
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,919
Speaker 1: I'm kind of just always looking around hope and see

728
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: a wolf or a bear. We had eight bowl elk

729
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,359
Speaker 1: come right by our camper yesterday morning. That was pretty sweet. Um.

730
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,800
Speaker 1: I got to watch them for like an hour and

731
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 1: um and yeah, lots lots of while if right now,

732
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: do you remember when we went into into that into

733
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 1: that valley, you know, after our elk hunt, and we

734
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:04,959
Speaker 1: drove by the National Elk Wildlife Refuge. Do you remember that? Uh? Yes,

735
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: I think so. Was that on our way out there?

736
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: It was when we went and got dinner at the

737
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: pizza place, went to Dornants, didn't we get didn't we

738
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: go to Dornants? No, we went to we went to

739
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 1: the Bird Yeah. Yeah, well but it was real foggy.

740
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: We couldn't be Okay, I forgot about that. Well, basically,

741
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,280
Speaker 1: there's this area of this valley. It's called the Elk Refuge,

742
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 1: and it's basically all the elk or many of the

743
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: elk from the Yellowstone area in the mountains and from

744
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: the Tetown area and from these national forests around there, um,

745
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: the Bridge of Teton National Forests and some of the

746
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: other spots. They all kind of winter down in this valley,

747
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 1: a lot of them do. And there's still I would

748
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: say there's probably still thousands of elk all strewn across

749
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 1: the valley. It's everywhere you drive. You're seeing herds of

750
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 1: two hundred, three hundred, four hundred elk just everywhere it is.

751
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 1: It is pretty remarkable. And they're still carrying, you know,

752
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: some are some are still carrying antlers, some are shed.

753
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 1: There's some that are already growing big new velvet antlers um,

754
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: which is kind of wild. So I'll tell you what desplaite.

755
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: All the debacles of the trip, and there's been a

756
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: whole bunch that aren't necessarily story worthy, but all these

757
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 1: little things have just made it stressful to your point,

758
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 1: like it is, I'm constantly like marveling at how incredible

759
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: it is that this is our land, Like all these places,

760
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: it's public land, it's it's yours, it's mine, it's it's

761
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: everyone out here. We can all use it um and

762
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 1: in different ways too. That was one of the cool

763
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 1: things while as in Utah is that, you know, I

764
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 1: think the biggest takeaway from my time in Utah is

765
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 1: is the diversity of Utah, the diversity of terrain. I mean,

766
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 1: you can be in these red rock canyons with towers

767
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 1: and arches and crazy stuff, and then you can be

768
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: in like pure desolate desert, and then you can be

769
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: in like gorgeous pine covered mountains and snowy peaks. I mean,

770
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: tremendous diversity in terrain and then also tremendous diversity and

771
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: how people use that public land. I mean there's a

772
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,879
Speaker 1: massive amount of public land in Utah and all sorts

773
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: of people are using it. I mean you've got the

774
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 1: climbers and like mountain bikers, and you've got that type,

775
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 1: but then you also have you know, ranchers that are

776
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: running their cattle, and you've also got guys that are

777
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 1: driving their a t v S and their jeeps and

778
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: their dirt bikes and everything. And you've got liberals and conservatives.

779
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 1: You've got hunters, and you've got crunchies, and you've got

780
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 1: climbers and you've got hikers. I mean, every different sort

781
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 1: of person is out there finding benefit from these lands.

782
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 1: And I think that was like really eye opening to me.

783
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 1: You know, public lands aren't just for hunters. They're not

784
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 1: just for yuppies who want to climb or hike. They're

785
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: not just for guys who want to run cattle, you know,

786
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 1: they're that's so cool about a lot of these public places.

787
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: It's multiple use, it's for a lot of different things.

788
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,879
Speaker 1: And into one of the interesting issues about this public

789
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: land transfer movement that we've been talking about and seeing

790
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: happen is that that's why that is isn't what some

791
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: people want. Some people want to just use these public

792
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: lands for the one thing they want, and they're not

793
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: okay with the fact that these places are managed for

794
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:02,839
Speaker 1: multiple things. And um. And that's interestingly caused the same

795
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 1: type of issue over a long time. You know, as

796
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 1: I've been working on this project, I've been studying the

797
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: history of how, you know, how America came to have

798
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: all these public lands. And it's it's actually been kind

799
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: of a thing. This thing, this land transfer movement, has

800
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: been popping up almost in the same type of way

801
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 1: several different times over the years. Um and it's almost

802
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 1: the exact same issue, you know, it's um. You know,

803
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: back in the forties, this popped up when their first

804
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 1: started being some regulations on the range lands, you know,

805
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: lands that are now called BLM lands Bureau of Land Management.

806
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,760
Speaker 1: When regulations were first put on those with the Taylor

807
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: Grazing Act back in nineteen thirty two or thirty four.

808
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: I think was that kind of after series of years

809
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: where these regulations started taking place where they're trying to conserve,

810
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 1: trying to make sure they weren't over crazing. And this

811
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: is like you know, just after the dustable and all

812
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, right there was like a revolt

813
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,720
Speaker 1: from some of the user base of the public lands,

814
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 1: a lot of the ranchers and um, that kind of

815
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 1: stuff going on. They didn't the fact that the government

816
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: is trying to regulate what they're doing there, and they said,

817
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: we want these lands, they belong to us, they should

818
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 1: be private, they should be you know, giving back to

819
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: the counties, different stuff like that. So they happened in

820
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 1: the forties, but that was shut down. Then again, the

821
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: exact same thing happened to the eighties, same type of

822
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,320
Speaker 1: deal with the stage brush rebellion. You know, there was

823
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: all these new regulations and you know, I think regulations

824
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 1: gets it's a dirty word sometimes, um, but there's lots

825
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: of what I think are are necessary regulations, and there

826
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: are a lot of things put in place in the seventies.

827
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: You know, when a lot of different environmental reforms are

828
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 1: put in place to make sure we've got clean air,

829
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 1: clean water. Um, you know, the Wilderness preservation system was

830
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 1: created then the sixties, so all these different things happened,

831
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,800
Speaker 1: which we're allowing for our public lands to be managed

832
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:48,760
Speaker 1: not just for one use being you know, uh, energy

833
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: extraction or resource exploitation, but also managed for conservation, wildlife, recreation,

834
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 1: you know, multiple things. And again when that started happening,

835
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: people started throwing a it and that's when he got

836
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: the stage Brush rebellion in the eighties, and then again

837
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: it popped up again in the nineties a little bit

838
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:07,720
Speaker 1: with like Clive and Bundy and some of those guys

839
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 1: started throwing some of their fits. And now here we

840
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: are in the two thousand, fifteen, sixteen seventeen, same type

841
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: of deal. People don't like the fact that they're you

842
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 1: know that there are so many different regulations on this

843
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,439
Speaker 1: public land, and it's this reoccurring thing. But I think

844
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, the more you know, the more experienced

845
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 1: these places, I think you start to understand that these

846
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 1: public land issues, they're they're always going to be there

847
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: because these these lands are there are everyone's land, right

848
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: it's not just for miners, it's not just four hunters,

849
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 1: it's not just for ranchers, it's not just for hikers. UM.

850
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: These you know, like Teddy Roosevelt talked about, you know,

851
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,280
Speaker 1: these lands should be managed for perpetuity for people now,

852
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,760
Speaker 1: but then also people still within the womb of time. UM.

853
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: And that's what's so cool about it, I think, is

854
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: that you know, it's challenging is these management um debates

855
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 1: are and figure out what to do with these lands

856
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: and stuff. I think the fact that there's a system

857
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 1: in place to protect these places for the long term

858
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 1: and make sure we can all keep using them in

859
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 1: all these different ways, but for the long term. UM.

860
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: There's not many places left in the world where there

861
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: is land like this available to everybody to use and

862
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: to experience and to see wild animals and go to

863
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 1: wild places. I mean, it's just a it's an endangered resource.

864
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 1: And uh man, just being out here, I'm always reminded

865
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 1: of how just what a gift it is that we

866
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 1: have this place. Well, I tell you, the cool thing

867
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: is um And like you kind of mentioned, I agree

868
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 1: with you when you say sometimes the word regulation is

869
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 1: kind of a bad word, but it's kind of the

870
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 1: way humans operate that if there were not regulations, there

871
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:56,359
Speaker 1: would be one person who spoils it for everybody who

872
00:45:56,719 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 1: takes takes advantage of a situation. So in order for

873
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: that to not happen again, certain regulations have to be

874
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: put into place, you know, whether it's you know, a

875
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 1: hunter can only take this many animals off of a

876
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: particular part of property, or you know, uh, there can

877
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:16,919
Speaker 1: only be this many head of cattle, or you can

878
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 1: you only have access to this many acres for grazing

879
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 1: or mining rights and all that stuff. Because like you said,

880
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: it's you have to share, but it's a kind of

881
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 1: in a way, it's a forced share because a lot

882
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 1: of people have to shake hands at the end of

883
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 1: the day and say, okay, well yeah we'll take this, this,

884
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: you can take that, and you know, you know, public

885
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: means sharing. Yeah, yeah, you know, you're absolutely right, and

886
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 1: it's yeah, it's it's it's never gonna be easy. It's

887
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,720
Speaker 1: never going to be what everybody wants in most cases.

888
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: But to your to your point, you know, some type

889
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 1: of regulation is necessary in order to maintain you know,

890
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 1: to make sure not one person ruins it for everybody

891
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 1: like you said. And you know, if you look at

892
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,359
Speaker 1: what was happening in the late eighteen hundreds when there

893
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 1: weren't regulations on all this, it was just a massive

894
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 1: free for all. And we know what happened. I mean,

895
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:13,399
Speaker 1: almost all of our wildlife populations were just decimated. I mean,

896
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 1: forests were terror to the ground. I mean, stuff was

897
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: getting mined up like crazy. I mean, the destruction of

898
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 1: what we have now was was rampant. And finally, people

899
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 1: like Teddy Roosevelt, Gifford pin Show, Um, some of these

900
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: different people realized, hey, we need to manage these things

901
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: a little bit better for the long term. We need

902
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:33,399
Speaker 1: to protect a few of these places, because if it's

903
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:36,399
Speaker 1: all free for all, if it's all privatized, there won't

904
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: be anything left because in the in the long run,

905
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 1: people usually are looking out for themselves and to the

906
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: exclusion of everybody else and to the exclusion of the future.

907
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: And uh, if you don't have some type of thoughtful

908
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 1: long term plan in place, there's not gonna be a

909
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:56,720
Speaker 1: long term future. So I assure in gold that people

910
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 1: people had the foresight right Actually, you know, true h innovators.

911
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 1: If you're going to put it that way, absolutely. All right,

912
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,240
Speaker 1: real quick, now, we're going to take a brief break

913
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: for work from our partners at White Tail Properties. So

914
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 1: here's producer Spencer Newharth. This week with white Tail Properties,

915
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 1: we are joined by Jake E Linger, a land specialist

916
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 1: out of southern Michigan, and Jake is going to be

917
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 1: telling us about the most important factors to consider when

918
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 1: looking to buy a property. There's a couple of items

919
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 1: that I think are often overlooked because it's real easy

920
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 1: to get caught up in all the details of you know,

921
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: the rolling hills and owning land. But number one on

922
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 1: my list would be soil. You know, quality soil is

923
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 1: going to produce quality for each and quality deer, and

924
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:51,240
Speaker 1: it's gonna make your life trying to plant food plots

925
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,800
Speaker 1: and destination food a lot easier if you've got good soil.

926
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: But along with that would be a nice mix of

927
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 1: ferribly stream or wetland swamp, so you have some water

928
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 1: and ideally some eggland either associated fairly closely or on

929
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 1: that property from tillable, and then some good cover. You know,

930
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 1: so I refer to that as the magic triangle food,

931
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,760
Speaker 1: water and cover. And if you can find a small parcel.

932
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 1: With those three elements and some good soil, you've got

933
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 1: a great hunting property at Hetty. If you'd like to

934
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 1: learn more and to see the properties that Jake currently

935
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 1: has listed for sale, visit white tail properties dot com.

936
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 1: Backslash e linger that's e H L I n G

937
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 1: E R. And now back to the show. Now, you

938
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 1: mentioned something about a recent big wind for public lands. Well,

939
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:49,839
Speaker 1: there's a handful of different things that've been going on

940
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 1: that we haven't really talked about um here on the

941
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 1: podcast that I thought we could touch on. There's a

942
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 1: bunch of different things. So I think the last time

943
00:49:57,800 --> 00:49:59,839
Speaker 1: we really talked about this was back when the whole

944
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 1: hr deal was making you know waves, and I know

945
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: you were well versed on that. But that was this

946
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 1: proposal to sell three point three million acres I think

947
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 1: or three point one million acres of public land um.

948
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 1: And that got because of people like you and our

949
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: listeners and you know, the outdoor community. This massive, massive

950
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 1: onslaught of of opinion and comments and emails and phone calls.

951
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: Jason Schavatz to the congressman who had proposed that had

952
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 1: to pull that back. UM. So that was a big win.

953
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 1: Since then though, Um, you know, he still has the

954
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 1: other bill he introduced, Hr six two, which proposed removing

955
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: the law enforcement function of the Force Service and the BLM.

956
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 1: And I think that's that's a very bad idea, is

957
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: that would you know, basically put these millions and millions

958
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 1: and millions of acres of public land without you know,

959
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 1: anyone there to enforce regulations there, I mean the local

960
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 1: sheriff office, the county sheriff and stuff. They don't have

961
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:58,840
Speaker 1: the time and the means to be able to manage

962
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 1: these places too. So that's a horrible idea as far

963
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:05,399
Speaker 1: as everyone I've talked to, um understands it. That's still

964
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 1: out there. Um. Interesting news though, is that Chavis just

965
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: announced he's not going to be seeking re election and

966
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 1: then the next election cycle. So that's kind of a

967
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 1: win because he's been pretty anti public land and a

968
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 1: lot of things he's proposed. Um. But Wyoming recently some

969
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 1: of the Congressmen of Wyoming have mentioned that they are

970
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 1: not going to be seeking any more land transfer legislation.

971
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 1: That's a good thing. Um, So that's a win there. Uh.

972
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 1: In Utah, some interesting stuff has happened, you know, during

973
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 1: this whole rush of news. We also started hearing some

974
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 1: news from the outdoor kind of non consumptive outdoor community,

975
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 1: you know, hiking, climbing, backpacking, all that kind of stuff.

976
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 1: And there's this big convention called the Outdoor Retailer Convention.

977
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:53,359
Speaker 1: Have you heard about this? UM? And so basically some

978
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: companies there that are in this industry started saying, Hey, Utah,

979
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 1: you guys are trying to transfer the public lands. You're

980
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 1: trying to get rid of somewhere our national monuments. You're

981
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 1: proposing all this crazy stuff that is very anti public

982
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:09,760
Speaker 1: land and anti outdoor recreation. In the outdoor recreation community,

983
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 1: whether that be hiking, biking, rafting, climbing, hunting, and fishing,

984
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 1: it is a massive part of the economy in Utah.

985
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 1: So why are you trying to get rid of all

986
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 1: the land that allows all these people to do these things?

987
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: And long story short, after talking about boycotting this big,

988
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 1: huge convention, it's like the A T A or Shot Show,

989
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 1: but it's it's for this other side of the outdoor industry. UM,

990
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 1: they ended up just completely deciding that they're going to

991
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:39,359
Speaker 1: leave Utah completely because the governor and different people within

992
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 1: the UM Legislative legislalative um arms and Utah there are

993
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 1: just they're not backing off on this kind of stuff.

994
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: So the outdoor Retailer Convention is out of Utah starting

995
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,240
Speaker 1: two thousand nineteen, which is which is a pretty big statement.

996
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,800
Speaker 1: I think on that part that I think gives Utah

997
00:52:56,040 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 1: a a nasty dose of of I don't know they

998
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 1: got what was coming. I suppose when they see that

999
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 1: if they're gonna, you know, if they're gonna do this

1000
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 1: propose this crazy stuff that's so anti public land, anti

1001
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 1: all of us. Um, this is what happens. So that

1002
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 1: was interesting. Did some of those companies also say that,

1003
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 1: you know, they said, well, we're gonna pull this retailer

1004
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 1: show out of Utah, But some of the other companies

1005
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong, like an r E. I right, Um,

1006
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:27,439
Speaker 1: they've been a voice I think in the public land

1007
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 1: thing too. Did some of these did some of these

1008
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 1: companies say that, Ah, if you don't shut down this

1009
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:38,359
Speaker 1: public land transfer talk, we're pulling our business out of

1010
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 1: Utah altogether. You know, I'm not sure about that part.

1011
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 1: That's possible, and that would be a huge that would

1012
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 1: be another huge economical kick in the butt. Oh, yeah,

1013
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 1: heck yeah. I mean this it's such a huge part

1014
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 1: of Utah's economy. I don't know the actual numbers, but

1015
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's a major major driver. I mean, if

1016
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:02,840
Speaker 1: you look at all these states, these Western states, the

1017
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:06,240
Speaker 1: tourism industry has been a growing portion of their economy

1018
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 1: and is overtaking most different extractive industry parcels of the economy.

1019
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 1: And I think it's it's becoming more and more important.

1020
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 1: And I don't know if you start if you start

1021
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:20,799
Speaker 1: taking away those opportunities, the future for these states does

1022
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:24,319
Speaker 1: not look good economically. So I think what's happening in

1023
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 1: Utah's indicative of what could happen in other states. And

1024
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 1: I think I hope other states will take note of that.

1025
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 1: And I think maybe you know, you're seeing, like in Wyoming,

1026
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: some of these people are taking note that they've heard

1027
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 1: the call from hunters and anglers and other outdoor recreators

1028
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 1: like that this is not acceptable, and they're you know,

1029
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 1: they're backing off on this stuff. So so that's a

1030
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:46,919
Speaker 1: good thing. Um. I just hope that the the politicians

1031
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 1: don't try because typically what happens is all right, don't

1032
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 1: propose a law, right and with this HR twenty two

1033
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 1: whatever it was, we the hunters outdoors groups, they really

1034
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 1: got behind each other and they got it to the

1035
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 1: point where, Okay, we're gonna we're taking this bill off

1036
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 1: the table because obviously it's very unpopular with the people

1037
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:12,800
Speaker 1: who actually use this land. Now, what typically happens in

1038
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 1: this day and age is the people who all of

1039
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 1: a sudden, we're really really motivated about this, they turned

1040
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 1: their back to the issue, or they there's something else

1041
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 1: pops up, or you know what I mean, and then

1042
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 1: it loses a little bit, it loses its traction, and

1043
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 1: then the next thing, you know is that's to me,

1044
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 1: it sounds like that's again when the politicians come in

1045
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 1: with the new bills and hey, we're gonna do this

1046
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 1: ship under their under everybody's nose, trying to get it past.

1047
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:44,919
Speaker 1: And you know that's where it's the way I see

1048
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 1: it is. That's why it's very important too continue to

1049
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 1: be involved with like um, the Theodore Roosevelt was that, Yeah,

1050
00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:00,080
Speaker 1: that one, uh, to keep it public. Um. They have

1051
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 1: an organization movement, you know, stay involved with these these things.

1052
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 1: If you're an advocate of these um of this keep

1053
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 1: it public movement to to continue to stay involved as

1054
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 1: much as you possibly can and be knowledgeable of everything

1055
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:19,879
Speaker 1: that's going on, because, as history will teach us, this

1056
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 1: stuff doesn't stop. It continues to come until the next

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00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 1: you know, big lobbyists comes in and pressures. I don't

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00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 1: want to stay pressured, but tells a politician, hey, we'll

1059
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:36,879
Speaker 1: give you this much money if you propose this bill,

1060
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 1: and some greedy bastard always does it right. No, you're

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00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 1: you're spot on. This is definitely something that we can't

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00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 1: we can't lose sight of it. We can't become apathetic

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00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 1: to it, because yes, as soon as public interest isn't there,

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00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: as soon as the loud crowds aren't there, that's when

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00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 1: the politicians make the move again. And I think, you know,

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00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 1: it comes to kind of stuff. You know, there's all

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00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 1: these different battles for the future of you know, wildlife

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00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 1: or conservation or public land. And you know, whoever it

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00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:08,839
Speaker 1: is that wants to take advantage of these places, whether

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00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:12,439
Speaker 1: it be a business or industry, politicians, whatever, they keep

1071
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:14,879
Speaker 1: fighting these battles, right and if they lose, well it's

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00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 1: onto the next one, or they wait a year and

1073
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 1: they try again, or they whatever they switch things up,

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00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 1: they change the the very vigil of it and try again.

1075
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 1: So if they lose one of these battles, like they

1076
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 1: just lost this HR six or six twenty one battle,

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00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 1: you know, that's okay. They'll try again, like you said,

1078
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 1: next year when people aren't paying attention to them. But

1079
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 1: if we the people who value wildlife or public land

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00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 1: or whatever it is, if you lose one of these battles,

1081
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 1: that's that's for good. You lose that land for good,

1082
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 1: or you lose that wildlife population for good. You know,

1083
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 1: if we lose a battle, that's it. Um. So we

1084
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 1: really need to be on top of these things and

1085
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 1: um and make sure we leave this this resource, this place,

1086
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 1: these lands, these animals. We have to leave it better

1087
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 1: or at least as well as we have it now.

1088
00:57:57,600 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 1: Because I want to make sure that our kids, your kids,

1089
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 1: you can go out and do these things. They can

1090
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 1: go and camp somewhere, they can go on an elkhon,

1091
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 1: or they can deer hunt in the Manasty National Forest

1092
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 1: or here on National forest. Um. Man, it's just it's

1093
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 1: scary to think that these places could be up for grabs,

1094
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 1: and m I sure hope it doesn't happen. I mean,

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00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 1: here's here's a perfect example when we've talked about this

1096
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 1: in past when explaining what this whole public land transfer

1097
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 1: movement is. But basically people are this, this group of

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00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 1: politicians um are proposing to take federal public lands and

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00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 1: transfer them to states, and they're saying that states can

1100
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 1: manage a better blah blah. But in reality, what we've

1101
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 1: seen is that when it goes to state control, it's

1102
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 1: easier for resource extraction, it's easier for stuff to be

1103
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 1: sold and privatized and all that kind of stuff. Well,

1104
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 1: recently in organ there's an example this happening right now.

1105
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 1: There's a state force, the Elliott State Force, that has

1106
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 1: not been able to be profitable. So basically, these public lands,

1107
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 1: when states have public lands, state lands there in these

1108
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 1: Western states, have to be managed for profit. They have

1109
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 1: to be managed to pay for their school systems and

1110
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 1: different things like that, like it is mandated. So if

1111
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 1: these lands aren't if these lands aren't profitable, if they're

1112
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 1: not making money, so if they're not getting enough timber

1113
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 1: mineral extraction or whatever off of that, they have to

1114
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 1: sell them. And so there's eighty two thousand acres in

1115
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 1: Oregon right now that is on the chopping block being sold,

1116
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 1: and they've been debating if it's gonna be sold. There's

1117
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 1: a timber company that wants to buy it, and it's

1118
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 1: been going back and forth for a while. Now like

1119
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 1: last month, they there's a state land board I think

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00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 1: that have to decide whether to sell it or not

1121
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 1: because it's not profitable right now. And two of the

1122
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 1: three people on that board voted to sell out, so

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00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 1: it's gonna be sold. And then there's a huge uprising

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00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 1: and outcry from you know, people that value that land

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00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 1: for other reasons. And now maybe it's not going to

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00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:53,439
Speaker 1: be sold, but I mean, that's a perfect example. Eighty

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00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 1: two tho acres of public land the people have been

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00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:57,959
Speaker 1: hiking on, the people have been hunting on, the people

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00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 1: have been enjoying, and that could be sold this year

1130
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 1: or next year. That could be gone. And that is

1131
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 1: what exactly could happen if states end up, if this

1132
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 1: whole land transfer thing happens, if they have to transfer

1133
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 1: the bridge or Titawn National Forest, where am right now

1134
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 1: with thousands of elk and grizzly bears and mule deer

1135
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 1: and black bears and turkeys and all sorts of crazy

1136
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:21,960
Speaker 1: stuff running around here, unbelievable country. If that's transferred to

1137
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 1: the state, if the state can't make money off of it,

1138
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 1: they're not to sell it. And then when I come

1139
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 1: back here four years from now, there's not gonna be

1140
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 1: anywhere I can camp. There's nowhere I'm gonna be able

1141
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 1: to sit in the morning and watch elk feed by. Um,

1142
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:35,920
Speaker 1: there's nowhere. There's not gonna be anywhere you can take

1143
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:38,440
Speaker 1: your kids someday to see these beautiful mountains into experience

1144
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 1: what it's like not to be surrounded by concrete and

1145
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 1: buildings and businesses. Um, it's this stuff's happening. And if

1146
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 1: we don't do something about it, ma'am, no good, No,

1147
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 1: not at all. Well, I'll tell you what, mark Uh.

1148
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 1: I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but

1149
01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 1: my lunch breaks over. I think I think you've given

1150
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:04,200
Speaker 1: us plenty of time. Dan. I appreciate you, appreciate you

1151
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 1: sacrificing your few moments of rest and relaxation during the

1152
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:11,440
Speaker 1: work day to to chat so well, I'll tell you

1153
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 1: what you made me miss a meal, And that's probably

1154
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:17,120
Speaker 1: why I'm most pissed at you. Yeah, that's that should

1155
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 1: never be done. I apologize, well, I appreciate man. Good

1156
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 1: luck with the rest of the work day, and next time,

1157
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 1: hopefully I'll have a few more interesting stories and hopefully

1158
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 1: less crappy ones. You know what, as much as you know,

1159
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 1: as as many views as you take in in a day,

1160
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 1: and this is me calling you out a little bit.

1161
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 1: I think you need. I think you need to step

1162
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:44,360
Speaker 1: up your Instagram game a little bit. I know you

1163
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 1: picture because guys like me sitting in my keubicle all

1164
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:50,479
Speaker 1: day need something to dream about. It's true, It's true.

1165
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 1: The Instagram game will be better because now I'm in

1166
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 1: an area with service. The first like ten days or so,

1167
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:58,120
Speaker 1: I didn't have self service at all, so I was

1168
01:01:58,200 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 1: it was tough. But I'm gonna gonna step it up.

1169
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 1: At wired Dhunt on Instagram, you'll get to follow some

1170
01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 1: of the exploits I have been posting a lot to

1171
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 1: the stories. If you've been checking out stories recently, there's

1172
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 1: a lot there. So all right, buddy, hey, take care

1173
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 1: of brother to travel safe. Thanks man. All right, and

1174
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 1: with that, we're gonna bring this episode to an end.

1175
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:22,480
Speaker 1: So there's a couple quick things. If you haven't left

1176
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:25,160
Speaker 1: a rating review or for the podcast on iTunes would

1177
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 1: be incredible if you could take a few seconds to

1178
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 1: do that. And finally, we also want to thank our

1179
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:33,160
Speaker 1: partners who helped make this podcast possible. So Big Things too,

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Speaker 1: Waite till Us to North America, Carbon Express and Hunt

1182
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:44,040
Speaker 1: Terra Maps. And finally, thank you all. I can't thank

1183
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 1: you enough for taking the time to listen to to

1184
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 1: hear us kind of rant about different things and tell

1185
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:53,560
Speaker 1: our crazy stories and occasionally hopefully share some interesting things.

1186
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 1: So thank you for your time and I hope that's

1187
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 1: got you fired up to maybe chase some of these

1188
01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:00,960
Speaker 1: different adventures out in public plans yourself, and in the meantime,

1189
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:07,280
Speaker 1: I hope you'll stay wired to hunt M M M