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Speaker 1: My car has one of those door handles a lot

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Speaker 1: of people have, I think now, the kind of door

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Speaker 1: handles which is recessed a little bit into the door,

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Speaker 1: and your thinkers actually go in a little before they

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Speaker 1: grab it.

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Speaker 2: Don't you like that?

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Speaker 3: I like that. That's why they're not going to make

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Speaker 2: Ron Anium's tending under the truck under this Jeeves, and

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Speaker 2: I'm looking at the cooler one, and I'm looking up

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Speaker 2: and I'm looking at the opel. Let's see, it's got

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Speaker 2: to go around with the right side motor mountain. It's

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Speaker 2: got to go over to the top of the swede bar,

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Speaker 2: it's got to go over the cradle. I put it

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Speaker 2: in from the back and it just cork screwed right in.

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Speaker 2: Before Danny turned around to come back. He looked at

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Speaker 2: me and he said, what happened? I said, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: It just worked on a little salt something the car doctor.

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Speaker 2: Do you know if the ignition switch recall was done?

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Speaker 3: I do not know. Ignition twitch recall, YEP.

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Speaker 2: Very common problem. If the recall has been done, it

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Speaker 2: would not be impossible for it to have a second

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Speaker 2: bed ignition switch.

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Speaker 4: Welcome to the radio home of Ron aanium the Car

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Speaker 4: Doctor since nineteen ninety one. This is where car owners

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Speaker 4: the world overturned to for their definitive opinion on automotive repair.

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Speaker 4: If you're mechanics giving eli busy signal, pick up the

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Speaker 4: phone and call in. The garage doors.

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Speaker 2: Are open, but I am here to take your calls

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Speaker 2: at eight five five five six ninety nine hundred and

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Speaker 2: Well, well, well, we find ourselves here once again, and

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Speaker 2: I'm happy to be here with your listeners and talking

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Speaker 2: about automobiles. I want to talk a little bit about

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Speaker 2: diagnosis before we get the phones going today. You know

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Speaker 2: to five five six zero nine nine zero zero. You know, diagnosis,

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Speaker 2: it's it's an art form, but it can also be

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Speaker 2: done at different levels. Right, there's all there's all ways

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Speaker 2: to finesse it. I read a recent article out of

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Speaker 2: all that. All Data News is out this month. If

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Speaker 2: you got to all Data dot com and click over

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Speaker 2: the references and you'll scroll down, you'll you'll get into

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Speaker 2: their newsletter. It's always it's always fun to read because

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Speaker 2: there's always good tips there. And they talked about a

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Speaker 2: two thousand and six Accura that had a rough idyle.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't a repair shop for a rough idle problem.

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Speaker 2: And the technician went through and did what he had

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Speaker 2: to do and started getting stumped. And you know, they

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Speaker 2: started talking to All Data Tech Support, All that has

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Speaker 2: got into thinking that it had to do with clogged

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Speaker 2: EGR faults. And they kind of went through a several

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Speaker 2: series of steps and bottom line, the All Data tech

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Speaker 2: got the repair shop to take a look and consider

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Speaker 2: because of the higher miles just had like one hundred

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Speaker 2: and ninety five thousand miles on it. Could the valves

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Speaker 2: be out of adjustment? You know, in valve adjustment is

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Speaker 2: not something we think about, right. We don't think about

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Speaker 2: or talk about valve adjustment. I think we rarely mentioned

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Speaker 2: it here on the show. And my whole point is,

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Speaker 2: it's a diagnosis, right, it's you know, steps one through ten.

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Speaker 2: Dad always said you got to go steps one through ten.

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Speaker 2: Don't skip the three because you're gonna miss two and

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Speaker 2: two could be the important step. And that's my whole point, right.

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Speaker 2: So All Data explained to him how he could use

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Speaker 2: the map sensor voltage to look at and see where

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Speaker 2: does it show an incorrect map reading, meaning engine manifold

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Speaker 2: or valves need to be adjusted because it's affecting how

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Speaker 2: the valves close and operated at idle. And sure enough

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Speaker 2: And after adjusting the valves, the engine ran fine. The

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Speaker 2: that's kind of that's in the business we call that

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Speaker 2: a sexy diagnosis. That was kind of you know, that's

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Speaker 2: But that's all data news this month, so kudos to them.

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Speaker 2: I like the way they publish that stuff. In any event,

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Speaker 2: I'm running eni in the car doctor. The phone number

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Speaker 2: here is eight five five five six O nine nine

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Speaker 2: over to Evan in West Virginia, and let's see what's

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Speaker 1: Evan.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the card doctor, sir, how can I help.

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Speaker 3: All roight?

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Speaker 1: Are you good?

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Speaker 2: What's going on?

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Speaker 1: I got a ninety nine jeep chair key go with

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Speaker 1: the four to ZH six cylinder in it. When it's

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Speaker 1: cold outside, say below sixty degrees, it's got kind of

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Speaker 1: And then once it gets warmed up, it's got a

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Speaker 1: it'll do it again, and it only does it when

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Speaker 1: it's cold outside or when you first started, even on

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Speaker 1: put it in gear, it'll quit. If the jeep the

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Speaker 1: guy I bought it from, had replaced every sensor on

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Speaker 1: the engine, I mean everything on the engine is pretty

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Speaker 1: much new. It's not thrown any trouble codes, the check

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Speaker 1: engine life's not on. Everything like that still is good,

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Speaker 1: but it just has that sputter hesitation for some reason

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Speaker 1: when it's cold out, and it only does it when

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Speaker 2: Higher mileage.

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Speaker 1: Or one seventy nine.

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Speaker 2: All right, so one hundred eighty thousand miles, you know,

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Speaker 2: it make any of those new replacement sensors correct. So

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Speaker 2: whenever I get handed a vehicle like this, I go

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Speaker 2: I'm either scoping something or I'm pinning out voltage with

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Speaker 2: going to assume, which is a dangerous word, that all

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Speaker 2: the parts that he replaced are correct and that they're good.

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Speaker 2: All right, but I want you to keep that in

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Speaker 1: Let's see, when I got it, it had a check

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Speaker 1: engine light on it, and they had replaced the throw

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Speaker 1: and I it had a horrible miss. And I replaced

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Speaker 1: But the TPS sensor was new, but it was still

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Speaker 1: throwing a trouble code for the TPS sensor. So I

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Speaker 1: put another new one on it and it fixed all that.

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Speaker 1: And now it has no codes, no nothing, but it

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Speaker 2: Okay, so let's let's chat, all right. I want to

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Speaker 2: look at on the back of the intake manifold on

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Speaker 2: the driver's side. If I remember ninety nine correctly, there's

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Speaker 2: a ground strap, is there not? Do you call? Can

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Speaker 2: we just check that and make sure it's clean and tight.

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Speaker 2: I almost think there's two grounds. A ten millimeter head

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Speaker 2: to make sure that it's good, clean and tight, you know,

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Speaker 2: Tighten it up, loosen it up, clean it up, put

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Speaker 2: it back together. Just just going over vehicle grounds on

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Speaker 2: an older vehicle, you know, if it's in a harsh environment.

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Speaker 2: Not picking on West Virginia. I think it's a great state,

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Speaker 2: but I'm just saying, if it's a harsh environment, it's

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Speaker 2: been out in weather. You know, we worry about rust

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Speaker 2: and corrosion and how it affects grounds because are we

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Speaker 2: dealing with a haunted computer. Are we dealing with improper grounding?

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Speaker 2: Are we dealing with voltage? It's at a specification, right,

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Speaker 2: we got to make the computer happy. So I want

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Speaker 2: to know that grounds at the firewall are important. I

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Speaker 2: believe there are. I believe there's an auxiliary ground lead

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Speaker 2: coming off the negative battery cable if I remember right.

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Speaker 2: Ninety nine was a while ago. But I just want

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Speaker 2: to make sure that all my grounds are good, clean

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Speaker 2: and tight. Okay, that's number one.

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Speaker 1: And I have one more question reason on that on

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Speaker 1: pigtails off and put new pigtails on it and soldered

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Speaker 1: the connections together for both those pigtails. Would that have

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Speaker 1: anything to do with anything?

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Speaker 2: Say that again, Evan, they.

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Speaker 1: Did what they pigtails, the pigtails that go the TPS

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Speaker 1: They cut the old ones off and soldered new pigtails

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Speaker 1: onto both of those connections. Would them being soldered have

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Speaker 1: Should I get rid of the solder connection and make

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Speaker 2: Well, okay, so what you're saying is they soldered on

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Speaker 2: new connectors on the ends. I wonder why they did that.

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Speaker 2: You know, it depends on it depends on how good.

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Speaker 2: It depends on how good their solder job is. If

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Speaker 2: there's resistance across those terminals, then yeah, that that could

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Speaker 2: affect it. Sure, absolutely so. Sometimes when i'm you know, listen,

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Speaker 2: want to verify the repair, sometimes I just I do

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Speaker 2: my own repair. It eliminates it eliminates all the question marks. Okay,

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Speaker 2: you know how many how many different ways can I

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Speaker 2: test somebody else's work, So to start out with a fresh,

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Speaker 2: fresh set of connectors, and you know my own solder work.

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Speaker 2: I trust my sodder work. I don't know about the

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Speaker 2: next guy or the last guy.

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 2: You know, one of the things I was going to

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Speaker 2: voltage reading on the signal line for the TPS. Okay,

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Speaker 2: you know what is it. I don't recall the spec

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Speaker 2: and I want it. I want to look at it

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Speaker 2: in both ways. I want to look at it and

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Speaker 2: see what the scan tool reads, what's the tool think

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Speaker 2: it's seeing, and what's the actual voltage reading? All right?

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Speaker 2: So you know, tell me what's good, I'll tell you

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Speaker 1: The only other question, Yeah, the only question I have

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Speaker 2: Ninety nine? But I would try to fix it. What

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Speaker 2: fault is it? P zero for fifty six for fifty.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So I would try to resolve that as well.

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Speaker 1: Three speed, right, yeah, yeah, the three speed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah they run really well. Yeah, take it back, it's

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Speaker 1: Yeah it's speed right yeah, it is the agent. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Right yeah, they run a long time, most bulletproof transmission

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Speaker 1: So it's a great running, running, grabbing jeep like you

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Speaker 1: It'll run all day along, no problem.

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Speaker 2: How about how about going out and know how about

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Speaker 2: going out getting a cooling sensor, buying another cooling sensor,

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Speaker 2: theoretically you'll see less than sixty five degrees on a

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Speaker 2: You got to start to think about things like that

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Speaker 2: as well. So you got some you got some homework,

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Speaker 2: you got some things to do, all right, Evan call

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Speaker 2: me back. All right, Kittle, You're very welcome. Thank you,

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Speaker 2: You're welcome. I'm running any in the car doctor. Hey, listen,

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Speaker 2: it's one hundred ways to look at this. I'm running

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Speaker 2: any in the car doctor. I'll be back right after this.

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Speaker 1: You have done done?

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Speaker 2: It takes TV.

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Speaker 3: What's more fun than listening to Ron and any in

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Speaker 3: the Car doctor and getting that car fixed? Right? Eight

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Speaker 3: five to five five six zero nine nine zero zero,

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Speaker 2: Hey, let's wander out to Iowa and talk to Larry

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Speaker 2: on nine Chevy Malibu. Larry, Welcome to the car doctor. Sure,

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Speaker 2: how can I help.

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Speaker 1: Hi? Ron?

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Speaker 5: Thanks for taking my call.

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Speaker 2: Welcome.

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Speaker 5: So my Malibu, I have a engine reduced power and

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Speaker 5: my scan tool has told me that my throttle body

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Speaker 5: is disabled. Uh So, what I've found out is that

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Speaker 5: I had a twenty one thirty five P zero one.

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Speaker 5: So I found a broken wire on the connector, the

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 5: So I put a new connector on it. So that

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Speaker 5: and I can, uh, I can move the throttle body manually,

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Speaker 5: and I can see that the voltages were going up

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Speaker 5: He told me to, uh, you know, put the battery

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Speaker 5: to be reset. So I did that. Now I have

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Speaker 5: zero voltages on the throttle body. And when I unplugged

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Speaker 5: the connector, sensor two does go to five volts, but

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Speaker 5: censor one does not change. Okay, So I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Is this It doesn't matter a whole lot, Larry. I'm sorry, yeah, Larry,

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Speaker 2: but no, no, no go ahead six cylinder or four cylinder.

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Speaker 5: The two point four of the fourth calendar.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so the two four, so you know this is

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Speaker 2: working on redundant voltages, all right, There's a there's a

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Speaker 2: has redundant positions. It reports high and low. One ends high,

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Speaker 2: It's it's drive by wire. It's it's. It starts out

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Speaker 2: you replaced, okay, I'm sorry you soldered a connector in

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Speaker 2: or what exactly did you do there?

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Speaker 5: It was the Yeah, the connector on the on the

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Speaker 5: throttle body, the actual throat of buddy. No, yeah, I

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Speaker 5: just uh, I used butt connectors that came with the connector,

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Speaker 5: and I just you know, changed that connector.

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Speaker 2: For the record, I would never trust a butt connector,

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Speaker 2: not on something this important, just because it's it's it's

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Speaker 2: it's throttle and drive by wire. You know, I would

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Speaker 2: solder and heat shrink it. Okay, that's that's number one.

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Speaker 2: Number two, be certain, all right, And what you could

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Speaker 2: actually you couldn't do it with that. You'd have to

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Speaker 2: the throttle body itself. Intermittent connections there have been known

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Speaker 2: They enhance electro connectivity, all right. If I'm explaining that right,

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Speaker 2: and this would be a good place. Yeah you've seen that, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's you know, this would be a good place to

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Speaker 2: use it. It would not be it would not be

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Speaker 2: happen to break a wire. So I would verify connections.

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Speaker 2: I would verify, you know, my wiring. If I have

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Speaker 2: All right, that's all correct.

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Speaker 1: But you know.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes things get a little confusing, and then you know,

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Speaker 2: back if you need more. Larry, I'm here for you.

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Speaker 2: I'm running Indie in the car doctor. I'll be back

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Speaker 2: right after this. Look back, run an aid in the

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Speaker 2: car doctor. You know, diagnosis is We're back to that

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Speaker 2: diagnostic thing again, right, You know, it's a little bit

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Speaker 2: do you ever find a car you can't fix? Well,

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Speaker 2: I don't find a car I can't fix. I find

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Speaker 2: a car that I just haven't fixed yet. You know,

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Speaker 2: we've got that. This week. I've got an Oh what

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Speaker 2: And we've got a thirteen Honda fit that's draining the

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Speaker 2: battery and I can't find the drain. But I haven't

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Speaker 2: found it yet. There's always a reason, there's always a

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Speaker 2: cause and effect. But you know, never do you want

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Speaker 2: to just throw parts of the car, which is you know,

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Speaker 2: that's not a diagnosis, that's guessing. So let's wander over

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Speaker 2: to well, let's go to Micah and Maine. Micah, Welcome

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Speaker 2: back to the car doctor, sir. What's on your mind today?

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, Ron, I had a suggestion for you

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Speaker 3: may be a little bit of a criticism too, but

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Speaker 3: not a really negative one. You've got listeners, as you know,

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Speaker 3: from all different levels. People that are experts like you,

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Speaker 3: people who are kind of middle of the road and

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Speaker 3: know stuff but can't do it like me, and people

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Speaker 3: that really don't know anything. You've got people that are

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Speaker 3: mileage drivers. I happen to fit into that lower category.

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Speaker 3: And recently you've been doing it better. When you talk

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Speaker 3: it's got to be done not just every twelve thousand

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Speaker 3: I'm one of those low mileage people. I could generally

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Speaker 3: be done every so many miles to also say time

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Speaker 3: because belts wear out because of age, not just because

436
00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:55,480
Speaker 3: of where, oil wears out because of age, just because

437
00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,639
Speaker 3: of where and things like that. So you're doing better

438
00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:00,480
Speaker 3: than you had. But I'm wondering if you can kind

439
00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:02,359
Speaker 3: of keep that in the back of your mind, and

440
00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:03,760
Speaker 3: even if that's a fair suggestion.

441
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Speaker 2: You know, Michaeh, I love you to death. You crack

442
00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:09,600
Speaker 2: me up, but yeah, you're right, Okay, it's a fair point.

443
00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:14,679
Speaker 2: I think part of the time issue is where do

444
00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:18,360
Speaker 2: you live now. You're in Maine, and when I talk

445
00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:21,560
Speaker 2: to you, somebody in Maine versus somebody in Florida versus

446
00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:25,200
Speaker 2: somebody in Texas. Versus somebody in southern California, northern California,

447
00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:29,199
Speaker 2: and all points in between. It varies, you know, but

448
00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:33,880
Speaker 2: time is a huge factor. Time is a consideration and

449
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Speaker 2: I will try to keep that in mind for the future.

450
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Speaker 2: For the record, I also think that any vehicle, regardless

451
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Speaker 2: of where it's operated or regardless of how many miles

452
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,840
Speaker 2: it goes or doesn't go, at a minimum of every

453
00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:52,280
Speaker 2: eighteen months and sometimes as little as twelve months, should

454
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:57,880
Speaker 2: get a full seasonal checklist fluid levels, fluid conditions, mileage intervals,

455
00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,359
Speaker 2: how many miles has it gone, a review for bulletins, ever,

456
00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:05,040
Speaker 2: review for safety recalls. And that's something I never mentioned either.

457
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,439
Speaker 2: But maybe I don't want to overload people. But your

458
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,719
Speaker 2: point is well taken, sir. I understand, and you make

459
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:11,600
Speaker 2: a valid and.

460
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Speaker 3: That's one of the things that I do. You know,

461
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:17,240
Speaker 3: with my oil change. I've got a good good shop.

462
00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:19,639
Speaker 3: It happens to be a dealership, but I do my

463
00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:23,160
Speaker 3: oil change and have everything checked every six months, every

464
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Speaker 3: six thousand miles, but it's six months for me. And

465
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Speaker 3: I think that that you know, those regular things that

466
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Speaker 3: should happened with an oil change, technically, I think you

467
00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:32,720
Speaker 3: do that whenever you change somebody, you.

468
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Speaker 2: Know, it's it's funny too. We have a we have

469
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Speaker 2: a and I'll use this example. I know you drive

470
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Speaker 2: a Subreu, and I'll use this example. We have a customer, Jeff,

471
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:45,360
Speaker 2: who's got a twenty thirteen Subaru that every five years

472
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:47,760
Speaker 2: and he hasn't. I think it's got now it's got

473
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,800
Speaker 2: I want to say twenty four thousand miles on it,

474
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:55,280
Speaker 2: maybe twenty five. You know, every five years, we've changed

475
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:58,800
Speaker 2: all the fluids in it because fluids break down, fluids

476
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 2: get contaminated, fluids have issues with moisture, condensation, with just

477
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 2: settling over time. And you know, his last vehicle went.

478
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 2: His last vehicle was twenty five years old, and he

479
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 2: never made a major repair to it. And I think

480
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,240
Speaker 2: he's trying to duplicate that with this. So yeah, time

481
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 2: is a huge factor. The issue becomes. I think there's

482
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 2: two factors that prevent people from servicing something on time.

483
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,640
Speaker 2: They don't realize that time is a problem, and you're right,

484
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:26,879
Speaker 2: I will mention that more. And the other is I

485
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,919
Speaker 2: think we lose track of time. You know, when you

486
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:33,440
Speaker 2: stop and think about a twenty thirteen Subaru in his case,

487
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:37,920
Speaker 2: in Jeff's case, it's eleven years old. Who's driving an eleven? Well,

488
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 2: I guess a lot of people are driving eleven year

489
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 2: old cars. You know, that would be an interesting one too,

490
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,719
Speaker 2: the average age of somebody of the automobiles out there.

491
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 2: We get a lot of calls on older cars. You know,

492
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,920
Speaker 2: you don't notice it seems like, well, the newer ones

493
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 2: aren't breaking, so maybe they're not calling and that's why.

494
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 2: But time will be considered. Micah, I make it my

495
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:02,240
Speaker 2: sworn oath here. All right, kiddo, thank you very much.

496
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:03,920
Speaker 3: I really appreciate it. Love the show.

497
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 2: Thank you.

498
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Speaker 1: Know.

499
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 3: I've been listening since the day you were on that

500
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 3: big radio station in New York. And oh yeah, I

501
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:09,120
Speaker 3: keep listening every week.

502
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we're going on We're going on a boat

503
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 2: ride with those big radio stations in New York this week.

504
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 2: We'll see what we'll see what transpires. I make it

505
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 2: thrown off the boat. So I'm gonna call Tom. Tom's

506
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 2: gonna come rescue me. I'm bringing my life jacket with

507
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 2: me and uh off we'll go.

508
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,439
Speaker 3: So sounds good to me.

509
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I'm not going to rescue you. Sorry.

510
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,959
Speaker 2: You know, how long can I tread water. We'll see.

511
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 2: So we'll see. All right, let me go, Micah. Always

512
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Speaker 2: a pleasure, kiddo. You're very welcome. You're very welcome. You

513
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 2: know time is a factor, but you know, would you

514
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 2: be willing to do it? And I guess I have

515
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 2: to erase the cost out of my brain because I'm

516
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 2: always trying to balance cost with practicality. But you know

517
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 2: the answer is that fluids do fall out of a

518
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,119
Speaker 2: effectiveness over a certain time period. So if you're planning

519
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 2: on keeping the car, and then again, where's that where's

520
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 2: that point of keeping the car? Because then we have

521
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 2: to have a conversation in here. It gets very convoluted,

522
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 2: you know, we have to have a conversation in here.

523
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 2: It's a case by case basis in my opinion, because

524
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 2: there are, like I said before, there are some customers

525
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,639
Speaker 2: will do a seasonal safety checklist every twelve months, There's

526
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 2: some will do in less than eight months depending upon mileage,

527
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 2: or some will do every eighteen months to two years.

528
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,199
Speaker 2: You know, each car gets to be unique. And I

529
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 2: think that's part of my problem in that I can't

530
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 2: apply a blanket statement of time to just everything. But

531
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 2: time should always be considered it's always part of the process.

532
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 2: I think that as vehicles age and we see the

533
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,879
Speaker 2: value in a simpler vehicle and hanging on to it longer,

534
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,639
Speaker 2: I can only think that fluid and maintenance really plays

535
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 2: that much more of an effective part. But also keep

536
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 2: in mind, you know, my four suburban comes to mind.

537
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 2: I think my time with the suburban's coming to an

538
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 2: end because it's twenty one years old. Now, it doesn't

539
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:07,959
Speaker 2: have one hundred thousand audience. It's got about ninety three

540
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 2: thousand miles. But parts are just getting harder and harder

541
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 2: to find. And when the electronics fail, you know, what

542
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 2: are you going to do? You're you know, you're you're

543
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 2: going to be out of luck. So but Micah point taken.

544
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 2: Always a good comment, always a good point. So I'm

545
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,640
Speaker 2: running any in the car doctor, I'll be back right

546
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 2: after this. Don't go away, Hey, welcome back. Running in

547
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 2: in the card doctor. A five five five six zero

548
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 2: nine nine zero zero is the phone number. Don't forget

549
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:47,360
Speaker 2: during the week, you got a problem, give us a call.

550
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,399
Speaker 2: We'll get you in queue. And remember we try to

551
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 2: program Wednesday nights where you know we might call you

552
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,400
Speaker 2: up and put you in queue. A do a call

553
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 2: and put one in the can for the next recorded show.

554
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:58,400
Speaker 2: I've been on to do those once in a while,

555
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 2: but we want to give you fresh topic, so by

556
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 2: all means, get out to our website cardoctorshow dot com

557
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 2: and click on contact us. Fred writes in, And actually

558
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 2: Fred used the contact us form, but he left such

559
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 2: good detailed notes and I wasn't able to get a

560
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 2: hold of them. I'm going to answer his question here.

561
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 2: Fred writes in, Hey, Ron, I've got a two thousand

562
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 2: and eight bucklencern around fifty five or sixty the car

563
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,199
Speaker 2: surges on light acceleration. I've changed spark plugs, wiring. I've

564
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 2: tried the ignition mile coil packs one at a time.

565
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 2: Nothing seems to eliminate it. I'm thinking it might either

566
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 2: be an intermittent crank sensor or CamSensor. I never understood

567
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,199
Speaker 2: what causes people to think it's something, But that's a

568
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 2: whole other conversation. It's not a criticism, Fred, I just

569
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 2: noticed wording. I don't understand why the engine would need both.

570
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,679
Speaker 2: In reading what is the purpose of either one? I

571
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 2: understand that the CamSensor controls the shifting of the transmission,

572
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 2: which the car also has a problem with downshifting at

573
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,679
Speaker 2: lower speeds. It feels like I pull the transmission down

574
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 2: to low gear upon acceleration. Can I assume that the

575
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 2: CAM sensor may be intermitting more so than the crank,

576
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 2: which one would be more likely causing the problems. Let's

577
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 2: get out of dartboard and a handful of darts, and

578
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:01,919
Speaker 2: we'll just like put it on because we're guessing. Normally,

579
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,120
Speaker 2: we would scope this, all right, to be very clear

580
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 2: and honest, all right, for Fred and everybody else. We

581
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 2: would get out a lab scope. We would look at

582
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 2: a trace. We would put cam and crank sensor signals

583
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 2: up against one another, and we look to see the

584
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 2: something drop out when the problem happens. I don't know

585
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 2: that I would jump on cam and crank sensors thread.

586
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 2: It's a good guess it's a possibility. But before I

587
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 2: go there, let's talk about something else more obvious. Let's

588
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,719
Speaker 2: talk about the transmission. You already say that you've got

589
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 2: a problem with the way the transmission downshifts at lower speeds.

590
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 2: This particular transmission has a torque converter clutch, meaning that

591
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:36,400
Speaker 2: as you approach different speeds in different gears, the converter,

592
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 2: meaning the liquid or fluid coupling between the engine and

593
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 2: the transmission becomes locked like a manual transmission where it's

594
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 2: direct drive between the engine and the transmission. That torque

595
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 2: converter clutch has been known to age and slip and

596
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 2: chatter and give you that sensation that you're describing when

597
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 2: you say that the car surges on light acceleration. It'll

598
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 2: apply and release all on its own. What you would

599
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 2: need to do is look at a scan tool, all right,

600
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 2: and go look at torque converter clutch slip rpm. There's

601
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 2: actually a pit for this. There's actually a parameter ID

602
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 2: for this where they will say, hey, you know the

603
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 2: transmission is slipping at this rate slip rpm. The amount

604
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 2: of slippage out of the transmission should be below fifty rpm.

605
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,719
Speaker 2: And while you're doing that, also watch engine missfire counts

606
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 2: because an engine misfire can also cause or I'm sorry,

607
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 2: an engine missfire could also feel like a translip. If

608
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 2: engine slip goes over fifty rpm, there's a very good

609
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 2: possibility that this is a torque converter clutch related issue.

610
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 2: One of the things you could try is lightly apply

611
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 2: the brake pedal real light, just enough to turn on

612
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 2: the lights, but not necessarily apply the brake if the

613
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 2: computer sees break input request. If you were a two

614
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 2: foot driver, if you were a two footer, all right,

615
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 2: it would never apply the converter clutch. If the problem

616
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 2: disappears or changes, I would be looking very hard at

617
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 2: that transmission, fluid condition, fluid fluid color quality amount, And

618
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 2: you may want to consider putting a shutter agent or

619
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 2: an anti shutter agent in Okay, and see what that

620
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 2: does for you. You'll find it on the shelf. If

621
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 2: you've got a Napple autoparts by you, NAPA carries LG

622
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 2: shutter fix, You'll find it there. And you will find

623
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 2: that LG shutter fix is a good step or a

624
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 2: good solution as a possible way to get out of

625
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 2: this without having to replace the transmission. But the fact

626
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 2: that the transmission has problems already, I would look at

627
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 2: that and consider that as well as the other things.

628
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 2: But you know, this could very well just be a

629
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 2: shutter problem caused by a bad torque converter, much the

630
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 2: way on anything with a centrifugal clutch. An older mini bike,

631
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 2: an older snowblower would act up and heat up this

632
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 2: this clutch mechanism is smooth and glazed and it's causing

633
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 2: the transmission to slip. The word is slip upon apply

634
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 2: and have this particular problem. But get yourself down to

635
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 2: your local NAPA and NAPA will you know, have LG

636
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 2: shutter fix in there and they will be able to

637
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 2: you know, you can add it to the transmission to

638
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 2: be able to help you out and get it done.

639
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 2: So just another way to go. I appreciate the inquiry, Fred,

640
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 2: Sorry I couldn't get ahold of you directly. A five, five, five,

641
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 2: six out nine nine zero zero. IM run an aiding

642
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 2: in the card doctor. Let's pull over for the last pause.

643
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 2: I'll be back right after this. Hey, let's let's kind

644
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 2: of wind things down this hour. Thanks for stopping by

645
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 2: with me. Run on anding the car doctor here, I

646
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 2: want to I want to finish out today talking a

647
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 2: little bit about computer programming. I get a lot of inquiries,

648
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Speaker 2: a lot of questions from you. You know, there seems

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Speaker 2: to be a great deal of confusion, which programming is

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Speaker 2: a very broad term. When we talk about programming as

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Speaker 2: it relates to automobiles. There's programming, there's reprogramming, there's resetting,

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Speaker 2: there's coding, you know, there's initialization, and I want to

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Speaker 2: talk a little bit about what each means. Programming is

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Speaker 2: the process, and again, as it applies to an automobile,

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Speaker 2: programming is it means loading software or some form of

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Speaker 2: a software package onto a new computer. All right, you're

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Speaker 2: gonna program something that's ever been installed on a vehicle before,

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Speaker 2: so it needs to be programmed. Reprogramming would be the

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Speaker 2: fact that three years after that vehicles on the road,

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Speaker 2: or two years after that vehicles on the road, the

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Speaker 2: manufacturer comes out with newer software, all right, that maybe

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Speaker 2: is going to do something better in terms of the

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Speaker 2: operation of the vehicle. The vehicle has a problem in

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Speaker 2: cold weather as it ages, and they want to correct

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Speaker 2: it with software. So that's when it's going to be reprogrammed.

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Speaker 2: Programming is new, reprogramming is existing. Okay, Resetting Now, a

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Speaker 2: lot of times you'll hear me talk about doing a reset.

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Speaker 2: A reset has and it's a confusing term. It has it.

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Speaker 2: It can actually have a diagnostic meaning, and it can

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Speaker 2: have a programming meaning for diagnostic purposes. A reset is

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Speaker 2: we change a component and now we have to, you know,

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Speaker 2: make it learn the values all over again. We change

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Speaker 2: an oxygen sensor and the computer learned the bad ways

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Speaker 2: from the old Oh too, that was bad, and now

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Speaker 2: we have to, you know, let it learn something new.

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Speaker 2: So we're going to do it. We're going to do

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Speaker 2: some form of a reset. Okay. You know in certain

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Speaker 2: situations like today, for example, we had a call from

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Speaker 2: the gentleman regarding the high idol on the jeep and

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Speaker 2: if all else had been equal on that vehicle. And

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Speaker 2: I didn't think this was a case to mention it

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Speaker 2: with him, but I might have said something along the

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Speaker 2: lines about doing a reset where the values get relearned

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Speaker 2: and the onboard computer can see, hey, since the throttle

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Speaker 2: position sensor was replaced, or since it's a different voltage value,

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Speaker 2: and you know, maybe we'll have that conversation later on

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Speaker 2: when it calls back. But you get the idea. Once

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Speaker 2: a part has been replaced, you have to relearn or

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Speaker 2: re educate the computer or the module on how it's

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Speaker 2: supposed to operate. A programming definition of a reset is

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Speaker 2: it's where the vehicle will learn values directly. Four does

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Speaker 2: it by way of parameter reset? All right? Chrysler does

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Speaker 2: it by proxy? Align All different methods of teaching that

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Speaker 2: computer how it's supposed to work, all right. Coding. Coding

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Speaker 2: is a definition and you see a lot mostly on

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Speaker 2: European vehicles. Coding is a process where we're going to

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Speaker 2: tell a computer module where it is, all right, because

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Speaker 2: in some cases you can have two modules. One's the

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Speaker 2: left front door module, one's the right front power window

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Speaker 2: door module. They both operate windows, but they're in different

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Speaker 2: locations for different reasons. They need to be coded or

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Speaker 2: they need to be told, hey, this is a V

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Speaker 2: six engine versus a four cylinder engine. That's coding. That's

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Speaker 2: a different process altogether. You'll see that a lot on

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Speaker 2: European vehicles. The point is there's all different terms, there's

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Speaker 2: all different purposes, and that's what makes cars operate the

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Speaker 2: way they do. And that's kind of what makes the

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Speaker 2: automotive world go round and round and round until the

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Speaker 2: next time I'm running eighty and the car doctor reminding

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Speaker 2: you good mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless. See you