WEBVTT - Episode 5: A Different Kind of Animal 0:00:15.316 --> 0:00:27.956 Pushkin previously on Deep Cover. Stephen Kaylish the gentleman's smuggler, 0:00:28.276 --> 0:00:32.636 the guy who orchestrates every single detail of operations. He 0:00:32.756 --> 0:00:37.156 gets arrested. Let's start walking away knowing something's up, and 0:00:37.276 --> 0:00:40.196 I get about. I don't know a quartermall away, not 0:00:40.316 --> 0:00:44.876 even that, and I'm surrounded by fete. Stephen was the 0:00:44.996 --> 0:00:48.476 right hand man of the big Boss, the top guy, 0:00:48.716 --> 0:00:56.836 the guy that Ned Timmins had yet defined. Ned's starr. 0:00:56.956 --> 0:01:00.916 Informant Clinton Shine Anderson tells him that the syndicate's top 0:01:00.956 --> 0:01:04.956 boss was a guy named Lee Rich. Not an outlaw 0:01:05.076 --> 0:01:08.556 biker or a dive bar musician, but more like a 0:01:08.596 --> 0:01:11.876 member of a fancy beach club with a sweet house 0:01:11.916 --> 0:01:15.356 and a big yacht, and for the time being, mister 0:01:15.436 --> 0:01:18.436 beach Club was hiding out down in the Cayman Islands. 0:01:20.196 --> 0:01:24.236 Unbeknownst to Ned, Lee was rattled by Stephen's recent arrest. 0:01:24.676 --> 0:01:27.596 He hadn't just lost a partner, He'd lost the entire 0:01:27.756 --> 0:01:31.316 smuggling arm of his operation, and he wondered what if 0:01:31.316 --> 0:01:36.156 Stevens started talking ratting him out. Lee was also worried 0:01:36.196 --> 0:01:38.796 that the FEDS might be watching him or listening to 0:01:38.836 --> 0:01:42.956 his phone. Calls. What he needed was a counter intelligence expert, 0:01:43.356 --> 0:01:46.756 someone who could sweep his house for bugs reassure him 0:01:46.836 --> 0:01:50.716 that he was safe. This created an opening for Ned. 0:01:51.116 --> 0:01:54.356 He could travel down to the Cayman's with Shine, posing 0:01:54.396 --> 0:01:59.036 as Ed Thomas, the badass biker, an ex military guy 0:01:59.316 --> 0:02:03.516 with special knowledge of modern spycraft. He would also claim 0:02:03.556 --> 0:02:08.756 to be Shine's cousin. That's right, cousin Ed. This would 0:02:08.796 --> 0:02:11.876 be It's big moment, his chance to step in as 0:02:11.956 --> 0:02:18.116 Lee's night and shining armor. But this plan wouldn't be 0:02:18.156 --> 0:02:20.956 easy for Ned to pull off. You see, at the time, 0:02:21.036 --> 0:02:25.076 the FBI typically didn't work internationally, and since the came 0:02:25.156 --> 0:02:28.236 Ins was a British territory Scotland, yard had to be 0:02:28.276 --> 0:02:31.556 looped in. While he waits around for the paperwork to clear, 0:02:31.916 --> 0:02:34.716 Ned rushed to get everything in order. He obtained a 0:02:34.756 --> 0:02:38.916 passport for Ed Thomas, he got debugging equipment and even 0:02:38.956 --> 0:02:41.796 took a crash course on how to use it. We're 0:02:41.796 --> 0:02:45.356 ready to go. We didn't get approval. I've got airline 0:02:45.396 --> 0:02:51.196 tickets and it was the night before, about three o'clock 0:02:51.196 --> 0:02:54.876 in the afternoon. The assistant Special Agent charge calls me 0:02:54.916 --> 0:02:58.236 and he says they just ocayed the project. This is 0:02:58.276 --> 0:03:00.236 like three o'clock and we're supposed to leave at seven 0:03:00.316 --> 0:03:04.916 or eight the next morning. Great, I'm psyched we're gonna go. 0:03:06.276 --> 0:03:09.036 So I go out to check on Shine. He's drunk 0:03:09.876 --> 0:03:13.476 and he had a three wheeler ATV He had flipped 0:03:13.516 --> 0:03:17.956 it and broke his collar bone, and the bone was 0:03:18.076 --> 0:03:20.516 almost through the skin. You could see the pointed edge 0:03:20.556 --> 0:03:26.196 of the bone protruding where it was broken. If I 0:03:26.276 --> 0:03:29.556 tell the bureau he's got a broken shoulder, it's off 0:03:29.676 --> 0:03:34.236 time out. So Ned he's got to tell his bosses 0:03:34.396 --> 0:03:38.236 and risk losing the whole operation. Either that or come 0:03:38.316 --> 0:03:42.596 up with a very last minute plan. Unbeknownst the Bureau, 0:03:42.676 --> 0:03:44.196 I had a friend that was a dodger out there. 0:03:44.596 --> 0:03:46.396 I said, Doc, I've got to take him in the morning. 0:03:46.436 --> 0:03:48.876 I can't tell I got to travel with him. So 0:03:48.996 --> 0:03:54.636 Doc tapes him up the shoulder a broken shoulder, and 0:03:55.556 --> 0:04:00.876 gives me tons of Perkadan. So just to recap here, 0:04:01.556 --> 0:04:04.596 Ned the FBI agent goes to his doctor buddy to 0:04:04.676 --> 0:04:07.716 get some major pain killers for his informant in order 0:04:07.756 --> 0:04:10.316 to go undercover. And we're in country where there was 0:04:10.396 --> 0:04:15.676 no field office and no backup. Just Shine the stars 0:04:15.676 --> 0:04:18.596 are never going to align again for this to go. 0:04:19.156 --> 0:04:21.676 The next morning, I flew him all with a broken shoulder, 0:04:22.956 --> 0:04:31.796 just taped him up and fucking took him. I'm Jake 0:04:31.876 --> 0:04:37.276 Halberd and this is Deep Cover, Episode five, A different 0:04:37.356 --> 0:05:08.756 kind of animal. When Ned and Shine got to the 0:05:08.876 --> 0:05:11.916 kne means looking for this mister beach Club Lee Rich, 0:05:12.476 --> 0:05:16.596 he was nowhere to be found. Lee was apparently off island. 0:05:18.076 --> 0:05:20.876 Ned and Shine started hanging around at a nightclub, a 0:05:20.916 --> 0:05:24.956 place called Look Club that Lee Rich owned. The club 0:05:25.036 --> 0:05:28.036 was right on the beach, place where locals, celebrities, and 0:05:28.116 --> 0:05:32.916 tourists all mingled, sitting around drinking strong dakeries and eating 0:05:32.996 --> 0:05:37.196 Jamaican jerk chicken. And then there was the hostess, the 0:05:37.276 --> 0:05:39.676 one girl always had a parrot on her shoulder. The 0:05:39.796 --> 0:05:42.636 parrot would you say dirty words to anybody that pulled 0:05:42.716 --> 0:05:46.156 up for that parrot would look at some guy in 0:05:46.676 --> 0:05:51.996 go small dick, Small dick. That spent a few days 0:05:52.036 --> 0:05:55.116 there getting to know the regulars. He wanted to learn 0:05:55.156 --> 0:05:57.676 as much as he could, but he couldn't ask any 0:05:57.756 --> 0:06:01.436 questions because well, he didn't want to draw any suspicions. 0:06:02.076 --> 0:06:04.236 As far as he could tell a few of the 0:06:04.276 --> 0:06:07.356 guys seemed to work for Lee, though it's unclear what 0:06:07.436 --> 0:06:10.956 exactly they did for him. To Ned, these guys, they 0:06:10.956 --> 0:06:14.356 seemed a bit like out of work lumberjacks on skid row, 0:06:14.756 --> 0:06:17.876 just biding their time into the next job offer from 0:06:17.996 --> 0:06:22.716 Lee materialized. Lee was handling hundreds and hundreds of millions 0:06:22.716 --> 0:06:25.676 of dollars. People do a lot for that money. The 0:06:25.756 --> 0:06:32.156 trouble is the nature of the business draws killers. Ned 0:06:32.236 --> 0:06:35.716 says he was pretty much always on guard. You know, 0:06:35.756 --> 0:06:38.036 wherever you were, even if you're at the club, sitting 0:06:38.036 --> 0:06:41.276 at the table, you know, you're watching everybody around you. 0:06:41.276 --> 0:06:47.316 You're watching what's going on. And then one afternoon he's 0:06:47.356 --> 0:06:51.716 hanging out at the club having drinks when some unexpected 0:06:51.756 --> 0:06:55.596 guests arrive and incomes the people from the cruise ship. 0:06:56.036 --> 0:06:58.796 And I look in the line and here's an agent 0:06:58.836 --> 0:07:02.396 that works about two deaths over from me. Yeah, a 0:07:02.436 --> 0:07:06.356 guy named Bob from the Detroit FBI office on his honeymoon, 0:07:06.956 --> 0:07:09.476 an office made of Ned's who didn't know the deal 0:07:09.716 --> 0:07:12.396 that Ned was here not on holiday, but as an 0:07:12.476 --> 0:07:16.796 undercover agent. And his wife is with him, and she's 0:07:16.916 --> 0:07:19.436 in a little tiny bikini and she's a knockout, and 0:07:19.516 --> 0:07:22.676 these guys are all Oakland her and I'm just choking. 0:07:22.996 --> 0:07:25.236 I mean, this isn't going to be good. Because there's 0:07:25.276 --> 0:07:28.276 like six or eight Ali's guys sitting around this table. 0:07:29.436 --> 0:07:33.196 Bob and his wife start heading in Ned's direction. The 0:07:33.276 --> 0:07:36.276 wife comes over and puts her bag on a picnic 0:07:36.356 --> 0:07:39.116 table and then turns around and bends over to do 0:07:39.196 --> 0:07:40.956 something in the bag, right in front of these guys. 0:07:41.556 --> 0:07:46.516 And I mean, the bikini was barely covering anything. In 0:07:46.636 --> 0:07:49.676 that one second, like clockwork, the gaze of every guy 0:07:49.756 --> 0:07:52.916 there shifted to Bob's wife bent over her beach bag, 0:07:53.476 --> 0:07:57.396 except for Bob, who finally sees Ned. And I just 0:07:57.436 --> 0:08:00.876 went to my throat and had the look of death 0:08:00.916 --> 0:08:05.276 on my face. And he caught on right away. I mean, 0:08:05.276 --> 0:08:08.716 he caught in a split second. And so Bob steers 0:08:08.716 --> 0:08:18.476 his wife away and catastrophe is avoided. But after this encounter, 0:08:18.756 --> 0:08:22.156 Ned is really on edge. In his FBI reports from 0:08:22.156 --> 0:08:24.756 the time, he notes that Lee's guys seem to be 0:08:24.836 --> 0:08:27.956 on high alert. One of them keeps telling Ned that 0:08:28.156 --> 0:08:31.916 US law enforcement is putting intense heat on the whole island. 0:08:32.636 --> 0:08:34.996 Ned isn't sure what to make of this. But what 0:08:35.076 --> 0:08:38.356 he does get is that this guy is paranoid, which 0:08:38.396 --> 0:08:41.876 isn't good, right, because that means he's looking for plots 0:08:41.876 --> 0:08:47.196 and conspiracies, and here's Ned basically conspiring against him. The 0:08:47.436 --> 0:08:51.556 stress is unbelievable, the mental stress. You don't sleep, You're 0:08:51.596 --> 0:08:54.556 worried about your daughter getting kicked in any minute. You 0:08:54.636 --> 0:08:58.796 have no weapons down there, You have no backup. And 0:08:59.236 --> 0:09:01.356 if all of a sudden, want of Lee's guys get 0:09:01.436 --> 0:09:06.236 jealous or gets drunked up or coked up and decides 0:09:06.276 --> 0:09:10.716 to go fuck you up, you don't have much to 0:09:10.836 --> 0:09:14.676 defend yourself. There's no backup. You're not gonna really hit 0:09:14.676 --> 0:09:17.076 the radio and call nine one one. You're nine. You're 0:09:17.076 --> 0:09:20.356 not gonna be able to call for help because nobody's coming. 0:09:22.396 --> 0:09:24.836 Ned had little to do other than sit around and 0:09:24.916 --> 0:09:28.356 wait for Lee to show up, but he never does. 0:09:28.916 --> 0:09:32.676 So Ned heads back to the US and then returns 0:09:32.716 --> 0:09:36.956 to the Caymans ten days later, and this time Lee's there. 0:09:37.676 --> 0:09:40.476 His guys tell Ned Lee wants his offices at the 0:09:40.556 --> 0:09:46.156 club swept for bugs. Immediately presto Ned was in business, 0:09:46.236 --> 0:09:49.436 So Ned and Shine they do their sweep. They don't 0:09:49.436 --> 0:09:53.476 find any bugs, and then Finally Ned gets his chance 0:09:53.516 --> 0:09:58.956 to meet Lee face to face. Lee looks like well, 0:09:59.276 --> 0:10:02.676 a guy who owns a beach club, tans, smiling, with 0:10:02.756 --> 0:10:07.356 a mass of brown, curly hair. Think David Hasselhoff on Baywatch, 0:10:07.596 --> 0:10:11.956 only not quite as Ned and Lee. They get on well. 0:10:12.236 --> 0:10:14.956 They grabbed dinner that night at a local Spanish restaurant, 0:10:15.196 --> 0:10:18.156 and the next day Ned sweeps Lee's house for bugs. 0:10:18.556 --> 0:10:21.636 It's also clean. Things are going well. It seems like 0:10:21.756 --> 0:10:25.316 Lee's slowly letting Ned in and Ned he seems to 0:10:25.356 --> 0:10:28.476 almost admire Lee. That's what it sounds like in his 0:10:28.556 --> 0:10:33.076 novel anyway. He was a handsome man, his features strong 0:10:33.196 --> 0:10:37.636 and well formed. Ned knew from shine that women loved him, 0:10:37.676 --> 0:10:41.196 and it wasn't hard to imagine there was quality in Lee. 0:10:41.556 --> 0:10:48.716 He was a wholly different kind of animal. When we 0:10:48.796 --> 0:10:51.916 come back after the break, Ned gets his big chance 0:10:52.276 --> 0:10:55.916 to really know his man of mystery, and so do I. 0:10:55.956 --> 0:10:58.516 When I pay a visit to Lee rich myself and 0:10:58.596 --> 0:11:17.156 we go window shopping for smuggling boats. I track Lee 0:11:17.156 --> 0:11:20.236 reached down a few months ago in a small coastal 0:11:20.276 --> 0:11:23.276 town in Florida. He didn't want to meet at his house, 0:11:23.356 --> 0:11:25.796 so we took a drive. Lee wanted to give me 0:11:25.836 --> 0:11:28.356 a tour of the area. We passed a bunch of 0:11:28.356 --> 0:11:32.556 boat marinas. You see that boat right here, the big 0:11:32.756 --> 0:11:35.636 blue Hall Hunner with the two masts over here on 0:11:35.756 --> 0:11:39.316 the right, straight straight down the dot. That's an old 0:11:39.316 --> 0:11:42.076 golf Star forty four. That's the first boat I ever 0:11:42.156 --> 0:11:45.836 went on, just identical to that. Lee tells me that 0:11:45.876 --> 0:11:48.956 he grew up in Tampa around boats. Both his father 0:11:49.076 --> 0:11:52.556 and his grandfather were sea captains. He himself built boats 0:11:52.556 --> 0:11:55.436 as a teenager, knew them inside out, and that's why 0:11:55.596 --> 0:11:58.356 when he was around eighteen, he was offered a job 0:11:58.396 --> 0:12:01.596 as a smuggler on a golf Star forty four, just 0:12:01.756 --> 0:12:03.756 like the one that he's currently pointing out to me. 0:12:04.116 --> 0:12:07.156 They had a big Perkins engine in him that you 0:12:07.196 --> 0:12:09.076 could motor sail, you know, you just run a real 0:12:09.316 --> 0:12:11.556 low rpm and you'd still get a couple of extra 0:12:11.636 --> 0:12:14.996 knots out of it. Was it a good smuggling boat. Yeah, 0:12:15.076 --> 0:12:17.396 Look at that thing. It's like a tank that hold 0:12:17.436 --> 0:12:23.356 twelve thousand pounds twelve thousand pounds of marijuana. So yeah, 0:12:23.396 --> 0:12:26.756 that's a serious smuggling job. But Lie says he didn't 0:12:26.756 --> 0:12:30.076 initially get into the marijuana business to get rich. He 0:12:30.196 --> 0:12:33.516 started off as a teenager selling dimebags here and there, 0:12:33.916 --> 0:12:36.956 just making enough cash to support his life as a surfer. 0:12:37.236 --> 0:12:39.516 Like I said, my dream was to go surfing every day, 0:12:39.876 --> 0:12:42.356 make ten grand, selling some bags of pot, and get 0:12:42.396 --> 0:12:45.356 out of it and that was it. But it didn't 0:12:45.356 --> 0:12:49.996 pan out that way. By the time that he was 0:12:49.996 --> 0:12:52.836 in his early twenties, he had his own smuggling boat 0:12:53.116 --> 0:12:56.116 and he began making runs down to Columbia. So it 0:12:56.236 --> 0:12:58.876 was an opportunity to make easy money. Who wouldn't have 0:12:58.916 --> 0:13:02.436 done it just about in those days. Eventually he connects 0:13:02.476 --> 0:13:06.956 with a legendary supplier down in Barankia, Columbia named Julio 0:13:07.276 --> 0:13:11.396 Caesar Nasser David, who went by the nickname the Old Man. 0:13:12.196 --> 0:13:16.076 He was to marijuana what James Dole was to pineapples. 0:13:16.596 --> 0:13:20.956 The big grower. Lee and the Old Man they got close. 0:13:23.316 --> 0:13:26.396 Lee was a great smuggler. He was very successful. He 0:13:26.516 --> 0:13:29.636 hung out with celebrities and rock stars, but his real 0:13:29.716 --> 0:13:35.196 talent was finance, specifically moving cash. We're talking about huge 0:13:35.276 --> 0:13:39.196 loads of crinkled fives and tens. All those buys from 0:13:39.276 --> 0:13:43.236 stoners across the country. They added up. Lee would often 0:13:43.316 --> 0:13:46.436 personally move the money from the organization's safe house in 0:13:46.556 --> 0:13:50.596 Tampa down to the Canans, and here he relied, at 0:13:50.676 --> 0:13:55.036 least in part, on a pilot named Shelley Levitts. Shelley 0:13:55.156 --> 0:13:57.716 was not a smuggler, She was just someone who fell 0:13:57.716 --> 0:14:01.396 in love with flying as a girl. Oh it was magical. 0:14:02.036 --> 0:14:05.236 I remember rolling down the runway and that the feel 0:14:05.276 --> 0:14:08.636 of lifting off like it was yesterday. She gets her 0:14:08.676 --> 0:14:11.676 license when she turns eighteen and starts flying for an 0:14:11.716 --> 0:14:15.716 aircraft charter operation out of Tampa. One day she gets 0:14:15.716 --> 0:14:19.596 a referral for a new client, Lee Rich. I just 0:14:19.636 --> 0:14:23.276 thought he was a successful businessman, or just a successful 0:14:23.356 --> 0:14:27.636 guy and a successful family. He was very dynamic, very 0:14:27.676 --> 0:14:36.156 easy going, laid back, handsome guy, real friendly. She started 0:14:36.196 --> 0:14:42.596 flying him all over the place, Louisiana, North Carolina, Michigan, Georgia, Texas. 0:14:43.956 --> 0:14:47.316 It was a little while before I had any suspicions 0:14:47.316 --> 0:14:51.716 that there might be something beyond just a businessman. Her 0:14:51.756 --> 0:14:55.196 suspicions about who Lee really was came to a head 0:14:55.236 --> 0:14:58.556 one night when an airport employee tipped her off that 0:14:58.636 --> 0:15:01.796 the FEDS had put a transponder in her plane. They 0:15:01.836 --> 0:15:04.996 were watching her, and I remember saying, oh, well, thank 0:15:05.036 --> 0:15:11.356 you for the information. I appreciate that Shelley did have 0:15:11.396 --> 0:15:14.316 a hunch about why the FEDS might be tracking her plane. 0:15:14.556 --> 0:15:18.036 Shelley flew Lee Rich to the Caymans regularly. He would 0:15:18.036 --> 0:15:22.636 bring these heavy briefcases. So I kind of put two 0:15:22.676 --> 0:15:24.756 and two together to figure that, well, there might be 0:15:24.756 --> 0:15:28.556 money in there, because Shelley knew the Caymans were famous 0:15:28.596 --> 0:15:33.316 for one thing in particular, banking, lots of banks. Small island, 0:15:33.676 --> 0:15:36.316 a few houses, and a lot of banks downtown, a 0:15:36.436 --> 0:15:39.876 small island with a small airport, just a few buildings. 0:15:40.276 --> 0:15:42.676 Lee would get off the airplane or grab a bag 0:15:42.796 --> 0:15:46.276 or two and literally just kind of walk right into 0:15:46.356 --> 0:15:49.556 customs and right through it to the other side. And 0:15:49.636 --> 0:15:51.996 Shelley says that they could do that in part because 0:15:52.156 --> 0:15:54.756 Lee Rich was so well connected in the Caymans. He 0:15:54.836 --> 0:15:58.836 knew everyone on the island, including the customs officers. Plus 0:15:58.836 --> 0:16:02.196 he and his associates looked so clean cut and well 0:16:02.236 --> 0:16:06.796 put together. I would have considered them very polished executives. 0:16:06.876 --> 0:16:10.876 They just happened to ultimately be involved in smuggling. This 0:16:10.956 --> 0:16:13.756 is how Lee moved his money, posing as a perfectly 0:16:13.756 --> 0:16:19.036 respectable businessman with his briefcases and a few coolers. I 0:16:19.076 --> 0:16:20.756 mean literally, you go into the airport. You had one 0:16:20.756 --> 0:16:24.076 of those big hundred court coolers as stuffed with hundreds 0:16:24.156 --> 0:16:27.836 or fifties or twenties. We'd always pack some steaks or 0:16:27.876 --> 0:16:30.436 something on top of it or something. They opened a 0:16:30.516 --> 0:16:32.156 thing or something. You give him a couple of steaks 0:16:32.276 --> 0:16:38.156 or whatever and smile and walk on through. From the airport. 0:16:38.316 --> 0:16:40.916 Lee would take his coolers of cash directly to the 0:16:40.956 --> 0:16:43.636 Bank of Nova Scotia. He was tight with one of 0:16:43.676 --> 0:16:46.116 the bankers there who would arrange for the cash to 0:16:46.156 --> 0:16:48.356 be counted. The bank would take a one or two 0:16:48.396 --> 0:17:00.516 percent cut, and then Lee's money was clean. For a 0:17:00.556 --> 0:17:04.396 long time. This system worked very well for mister Beach Club. 0:17:04.876 --> 0:17:07.476 He was the man down in the can ins. In fact, 0:17:07.516 --> 0:17:10.516 in nineteen eighty three, when Queen of England visited the 0:17:10.556 --> 0:17:13.956 island on her tour of the Western Hemisphere, she took 0:17:13.996 --> 0:17:17.796 a ride on his yacht. It all came to a 0:17:17.956 --> 0:17:21.396 screeching halt when Lee's right hand man, Stephen Kaylish, the 0:17:21.436 --> 0:17:28.916 gentleman smuggler, got arrested in Tampa. With Stephen in jail, 0:17:29.196 --> 0:17:32.436 Lee now had all kinds of problems for one. He 0:17:32.556 --> 0:17:35.476 was worried Stephen might start talking to the Feds, you know, 0:17:35.636 --> 0:17:40.196 revealing secrets. But also they were logistical nightmares. They had 0:17:40.316 --> 0:17:44.596 one million pounds of marijuana just sitting in Columbia waiting 0:17:44.596 --> 0:17:47.676 to be moved. Lee had committed to selling it, but 0:17:47.956 --> 0:17:51.196 without his master smuggler, how exactly was he going to 0:17:51.276 --> 0:17:55.436 do that. I usually built people around me that I 0:17:55.476 --> 0:17:58.916 could trust, and then by me trusting them and them 0:17:58.916 --> 0:18:02.876 trusting me, I trusted what their word was. I had 0:18:02.876 --> 0:18:06.876 lost one, Kayliss, who was a guy that did everything 0:18:06.956 --> 0:18:08.996 for me, whether you tell him to do it or not, 0:18:09.876 --> 0:18:13.196 and a couple of other people. I was vulnerable at 0:18:13.196 --> 0:18:18.196 that time. Even before Stephen Kalish was arrested, Lee had 0:18:18.276 --> 0:18:21.796 big problems. The US was starting to take a closer 0:18:21.796 --> 0:18:24.876 look at offshore banking hubs like the came An Islands. 0:18:25.516 --> 0:18:28.076 Lee still remembers the day his man at the Bank 0:18:28.116 --> 0:18:33.516 of Nova Scotia broke off their relationship. He flat out said, Lee, 0:18:33.516 --> 0:18:37.836 I'm not taking any more your money. Lee Rich was 0:18:37.876 --> 0:18:42.156 stressed and a bit desperate, and that's when Shine called 0:18:42.476 --> 0:18:47.956 offering the services of cousin ed the counterintelligence expert. Well, 0:18:47.956 --> 0:18:50.076 that was an opening. He needed somebody that he could trust. 0:18:50.996 --> 0:18:54.116 Ned played that role to the hilt. He swept Lee's 0:18:54.116 --> 0:18:57.876 house for bugs, but then stuck around ready to pitch 0:18:57.956 --> 0:19:01.916 in when needed, because well, Lee needed all kinds of help. 0:19:02.276 --> 0:19:04.316 He soon asked Ned if he could get him fake 0:19:04.476 --> 0:19:09.916 documents a birth certificate, passport, and driver's license. Said he'd 0:19:09.956 --> 0:19:16.036 look into it gladly. So trust was building, But then 0:19:16.516 --> 0:19:19.396 there were these other moments when it seemed like Lee 0:19:19.476 --> 0:19:22.636 might just be a little bit suspicious, like maybe he 0:19:22.716 --> 0:19:27.756 was having doubts about who Ned really was. More on this. 0:19:27.996 --> 0:19:45.116 When we come back after the break, Ned remembers this 0:19:45.196 --> 0:19:47.596 one day on the island when Lee asks him to 0:19:47.636 --> 0:19:50.476 come on a little trip to the bank. He starts 0:19:50.516 --> 0:19:53.356 talking about a rumor he'd heard that federal agents were 0:19:53.396 --> 0:19:57.236 snooping around, and then Lee turns to Ned and says, 0:19:57.676 --> 0:20:00.356 one of these agents looks a lot like you, So 0:20:00.916 --> 0:20:02.236 you know, I didn't know what was going to happen. 0:20:02.956 --> 0:20:04.796 We got to the bank and he just says, wait here. 0:20:05.196 --> 0:20:08.836 So I'm sitting alone in the car and thinking, Okay, 0:20:09.236 --> 0:20:12.356 this is it. You know. Lee walks back out of 0:20:12.356 --> 0:20:17.596 the bank and nothing, but Ned can't shake the feeling 0:20:17.796 --> 0:20:22.396 that Lee might beyond him. Even a little moments seemed 0:20:22.436 --> 0:20:26.476 like they could have sinister implications like this. One day, 0:20:26.996 --> 0:20:29.876 Lee suggests that Ned should go fishing for conk with 0:20:29.916 --> 0:20:32.516 his butler, a guy named Burtley, so they can make 0:20:32.556 --> 0:20:36.276 a dish called sea pie. This all seemed kosher until 0:20:36.356 --> 0:20:38.516 he and Burtley walked down to the shore to a 0:20:38.556 --> 0:20:42.356 small skiff, just the two of them, and get in there. 0:20:42.436 --> 0:20:46.956 You know, Burtley throws his three foot my chatty through 0:20:46.996 --> 0:20:48.876 it in a boat and I'm like, oh, this isn't 0:20:48.956 --> 0:20:52.196 too cool. So they paddled out into the mist to 0:20:52.316 --> 0:20:55.956 this site where Bertley supposedly knows the conk are. When 0:20:55.996 --> 0:20:58.596 they get there, Burtley points at the spot where Ned 0:20:58.596 --> 0:21:02.436 should dive to get the shellfish. Ned eyes the machete again, 0:21:03.116 --> 0:21:05.476 and he looks at the oars, and then he looks 0:21:05.516 --> 0:21:08.356 down at the water, and then he glances at Burtley. 0:21:09.196 --> 0:21:12.956 That's thinking house is going to play out. Finally, he 0:21:13.036 --> 0:21:15.516 just jumps in the water and dives for the cock. 0:21:15.996 --> 0:21:18.636 He sees the cock, grabs it, and all the while 0:21:18.676 --> 0:21:21.956 he's thinking about his next move. He was planning this 0:21:22.076 --> 0:21:24.156 out in my head. If I come up and he's 0:21:24.196 --> 0:21:25.996 got the machete. He ready to chop my head off. 0:21:26.836 --> 0:21:29.236 I'm thinking, okay, I'll rock the bolt and then reach 0:21:29.276 --> 0:21:30.636 over the edge and try to get hold of this 0:21:31.476 --> 0:21:39.276 or to defend myself. When he surfaced, there was Burtley smiling, relaxed, 0:21:39.796 --> 0:21:46.316 perfectly friendly. But Ned was spooked. It was very tense, 0:21:46.476 --> 0:21:49.276 and there was always tense minutes like that that that 0:21:49.436 --> 0:21:53.836 Lee hadn't said, Hey, Burtley, get rid of this guy. Well, 0:21:55.036 --> 0:21:57.356 you'd be eaten by the sea life, you know, sharks 0:21:57.396 --> 0:22:02.036 and crabs and snappers and ship would just eat your body. 0:22:02.036 --> 0:22:15.996 You'd be gone. In Ned's mind, it began to seem 0:22:16.036 --> 0:22:18.076 like it was just a matter of time before he 0:22:18.116 --> 0:22:23.076 was outed. He started anticipating the would be assassins, especially 0:22:23.196 --> 0:22:26.116 when he returned home to the condos where he and 0:22:26.156 --> 0:22:30.036 Shine were staying on the island. Recently, I went down 0:22:30.036 --> 0:22:34.516 with Ned to the Caymans and he showed me around. Okay, 0:22:34.516 --> 0:22:37.036 well I don't see where Arabic. I think they've changed 0:22:37.036 --> 0:22:41.276 the numbers around. But we retraced his steps and we 0:22:41.436 --> 0:22:45.756 visited those very condos. Ned pointed out a set of 0:22:45.836 --> 0:22:47.996 stairs that led up to a room where he slept, 0:22:48.476 --> 0:22:53.676 or actually didn't sleep, No, you're always half awake waiting 0:22:54.156 --> 0:22:55.636 waiting for the door to kick in, you know, and 0:22:55.676 --> 0:22:58.076 you don't have a gun, you know, you couldn't have 0:22:58.116 --> 0:23:03.676 a gun here, so no, you're pretty vulnerable. There was 0:23:03.676 --> 0:23:06.716 hardly any people here, so we wanted to know if 0:23:06.716 --> 0:23:10.076 somebody was coming in the night. We would some beer 0:23:10.116 --> 0:23:13.556 cans on those steps here, so they hopefully stumble over 0:23:13.596 --> 0:23:14.956 and when they came up and make a bunch of noise, 0:23:15.036 --> 0:23:18.236 you know, a bunch of beer cans on a dark 0:23:18.316 --> 0:23:23.156 and stairwell. That's where Ned was at. While Ned and 0:23:23.196 --> 0:23:26.556 I were in the Caymans. We had a few quiet mornings. 0:23:26.756 --> 0:23:28.596 We just chilled out in the living room of his 0:23:28.716 --> 0:23:32.836 rental condo and talked. Being there seemed to stir up 0:23:32.876 --> 0:23:36.036 all kinds of memories for him. He seemed more open, 0:23:36.956 --> 0:23:41.236 and so I just kept asking questions. Let me let 0:23:41.276 --> 0:23:46.036 me go back. I have some more earlier questions before 0:23:46.036 --> 0:23:50.156 working on this case, before kind of arresting Toby, had 0:23:50.196 --> 0:23:55.636 you ever gone undercover before? Not really, not with the FBI. 0:23:57.276 --> 0:23:59.116 I did a lot of undercover work in the army 0:24:00.196 --> 0:24:08.636 in Korea with drugs buying and penetrating drug organizations. This 0:24:08.676 --> 0:24:12.276 was new to me. Ned had mentioned serving in Korea before, 0:24:12.436 --> 0:24:15.516 but never in any great detail. Now he went on 0:24:15.596 --> 0:24:17.956 to tell me that for a while he was investigating 0:24:18.036 --> 0:24:21.396 North Korean agents who were sneaking down across the border 0:24:21.556 --> 0:24:25.756 and selling drugs like heroin to US servicemen. In order 0:24:25.796 --> 0:24:28.516 to stop this, Ned teamed up with his counterparts in 0:24:28.516 --> 0:24:33.916 the South Korean Military Republic of Korea Criminal Investiga ANITY 0:24:33.916 --> 0:24:39.796 Detachment and their boss his name was Tiger, and Tiger 0:24:40.636 --> 0:24:43.836 he wanted to be on his good side because he 0:24:43.876 --> 0:24:48.116 was a mean son of a bitch. So Ned goes 0:24:48.196 --> 0:24:51.196 under cover to make some buys and bust these North 0:24:51.276 --> 0:25:00.796 Korean agents. Did you have any dicey calls or dicey situations? Yeah? Yeah, 0:25:00.996 --> 0:25:03.836 I had a North Korean crack off, a forty five 0:25:03.916 --> 0:25:05.796 round of the pistol and an alley that hit about 0:25:05.796 --> 0:25:10.516 six inches above my head he missed. Ned arrests this 0:25:10.596 --> 0:25:13.876 North Korean agent and then turns him over to Tiger 0:25:14.076 --> 0:25:16.836 and his men. Over there we had when it got cold, 0:25:16.876 --> 0:25:20.396 they had oil burning heaters. As you're close to him, 0:25:20.396 --> 0:25:23.156 there as hot as hell, So they put him in 0:25:23.196 --> 0:25:27.276 a push up position in front of that heater and 0:25:27.396 --> 0:25:29.236 just a ball cook him and then kicked the ship 0:25:29.316 --> 0:25:32.716 out of his rib zoom beat him and did you 0:25:32.716 --> 0:25:36.836 witness that? Oh yeah, he got burns on a skin. 0:25:37.716 --> 0:25:39.436 I never checked his skin, but I know as hot 0:25:39.476 --> 0:25:45.596 as hell. So I mean he's swatting and quivering. You know, 0:25:46.596 --> 0:25:48.956 he knew if he if he broke the push up position, 0:25:48.996 --> 0:25:54.276 he was going to get his ribs caved in. So yeah, 0:25:54.276 --> 0:25:59.276 I can get real ugly, you know. In the end, 0:25:59.316 --> 0:26:00.556 I don't know what they were did with the guy. 0:26:00.596 --> 0:26:02.916 They took him away, so I don't know what they 0:26:02.916 --> 0:26:07.956 did to him. Does witnessing something like that change you? 0:26:10.396 --> 0:26:22.476 I don't know. You know, Um, I guess I was 0:26:22.476 --> 0:26:25.916 always around a lot of violence, starting with the army, 0:26:26.116 --> 0:26:31.476 and and I guess I didn't think about it at 0:26:31.476 --> 0:26:37.756 the time. Let me ask you a question. You watch 0:26:37.876 --> 0:26:40.796 this so you're and some of this is making you 0:26:40.916 --> 0:26:44.476 aware of what people can do to someone if they 0:26:44.476 --> 0:26:49.156 fall into the wrong hands. Is this crossing your mind 0:26:49.156 --> 0:26:51.716 at all when you're basically the one that's behind enemy 0:26:51.756 --> 0:26:58.796 lines in the Caymans. I mean you've witnessed what can happen, right, Yeah, 0:26:59.516 --> 0:27:05.276 And you know you don't want to be taken prisoner. 0:27:06.756 --> 0:27:09.516 I have to believe in your mind that you're you're 0:27:09.556 --> 0:27:17.076 not going to be taken captive. When Ned told me 0:27:17.116 --> 0:27:19.756 all this, I've been talking to him for over a 0:27:19.876 --> 0:27:23.836 year on weekends, early in the morning, often several times 0:27:23.836 --> 0:27:27.876