WEBVTT - Let’s Be Real...with Brian Austin Green

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<v Speaker 1>This is Let's Be Clear with Shannon Doherty. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to Let's be Clear. I am Shannon Doherty. Today

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<v Speaker 1>I have on I'm not even gonna say former co star.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to say my favorite co star from nine

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<v Speaker 1>o two to zero Brian Austin Green. Hi, Hi, what's up?

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<v Speaker 1>Bag Chillan.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so funny to be here because literally, what was

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<v Speaker 2>it like four days ago? I put on Instagram? I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, hey, you know, listeners, name some people that

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<v Speaker 2>you would love to see, and then you hit me

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<v Speaker 2>up and right away it was like, okay, let's do this,

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<v Speaker 2>and then all and all of a sudden, here we are.

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<v Speaker 2>It's crazy how fast that can happen?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you like that? I answer like the questions that

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<v Speaker 1>you put on for your fans on Instagram, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>like me.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I loved to the list and it's like there's nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>And then all of a sudden, I have this big

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<v Speaker 2>blue check thing and it's like get the fight, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>and the way you wrote it, like all you wrote

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<v Speaker 2>was me. I was like, that's totally yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, why are we not doing this already?

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<v Speaker 1>Like this is weird.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been pitching the concept of this For a while,

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<v Speaker 2>it just hasn't had all the stars haven't aligned on it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well they aligned today because.

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<v Speaker 2>You made them align. Because you're a gangster that way,

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<v Speaker 2>don't get things done.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks. I like that. I feel like I haven't been

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<v Speaker 1>a gangster since you and I were at the Roxbury.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, all the Roxberry was so good. That

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<v Speaker 2>was so good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>What was that woman's what was that girl's name that

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<v Speaker 2>that tried fighting with you? I remember that night because

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<v Speaker 2>I remember, out of fucking nowhere, I was right next

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<v Speaker 2>to you and literally we were walking past the table

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<v Speaker 2>and she stood up and leaned over her table and

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<v Speaker 2>hit you and then tried saying that you started to fight.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember. I so remember that whole night because it

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<v Speaker 2>just didn't make any sense. I've never seen anything like it.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no rhyme or reason for any of it. And

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<v Speaker 2>then the fact that she was just trying to claim

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<v Speaker 2>that it was you is I you know what. I

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<v Speaker 2>hope at some point she reaches out and she goes, Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>it's me. I'm sorry for all that that went on.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not I'm not going to hold my breath for that.

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<v Speaker 1>I was about to say that I was about to

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<v Speaker 1>be like, I'm definitely not holding my breath.

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<v Speaker 2>But that would be amazing if it happened.

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<v Speaker 1>Were you impressed though, that I did not go down

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<v Speaker 1>because she hit me hard. She hit you hard. She

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<v Speaker 1>like that was like closed fists punch right in my shape.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I did not go down, And I literally

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<v Speaker 2>like changed visualize, Yeah you did, but you went right

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<v Speaker 2>back over to the table. We got all the people

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<v Speaker 2>did the police came home. But I was like, I

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<v Speaker 2>remember where the booth, well, I remember the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like one of those I don't have vivid memories,

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<v Speaker 2>but that is what like I because it was remember that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And then it was in the press that like

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<v Speaker 1>I got arrested because she decided she was pressing charges

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<v Speaker 1>again me, and I was like, dude, I didn't do anything,

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<v Speaker 1>so I'm pressing charges against you. Like I would just

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<v Speaker 1>have let it go and been like, all right, you're crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>And maybe it was a dare. I didn't know, but

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<v Speaker 1>I just know there was no reason for it whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 1>I had not encountered her in the club, ID not

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<v Speaker 1>even looked her way. I had no issues with anybody

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<v Speaker 1>at their table.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm still assuming she just wanted to press from it

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<v Speaker 2>because at that point the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Was she sued me. She wanted money. Oh that's right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>she wanted money. Wait, I was they questioned me about

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<v Speaker 1>all that. Yeah, yeah, you had to do a depo

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<v Speaker 1>or something. You know what's crazy for?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, for as harmless as they claim marijuana to be,

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<v Speaker 2>there were a lot of things. I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>That's hysterical. But those were minus that incident, those were

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<v Speaker 1>some fun times. It was good often you me, Tory

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<v Speaker 1>Marky Mark. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I was just gonna say, there's that like infamous picture

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<v Speaker 2>of us thinking we were smart, you know, flipping off

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<v Speaker 2>the two photographers down on the street through the window,

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<v Speaker 2>thinking oh it's mirrored, they can't see and it's like

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<v Speaker 2>a crystal clear shot.

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<v Speaker 1>Were still clear shot, and nobody warned us that that

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<v Speaker 1>those windows were not mirrored and that you could see

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<v Speaker 1>right in.

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<v Speaker 2>How about the fact they'll thank god paparazzi didn't exist

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<v Speaker 2>at that point. There were the two photographers.

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<v Speaker 3>It was.

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<v Speaker 1>There was Roger, who was the nice one, right, and

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<v Speaker 1>then there was Woody. You know, there was like four

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<v Speaker 1>or five others because they always chased me.

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<v Speaker 2>They okay, they didn't chase me, you look better than me.

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<v Speaker 1>Fine, No, I just gave them more stuff to photograph.

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<v Speaker 2>But like the fact that we could go out to

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<v Speaker 2>places and walk out and they would still be like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>do you mind if we get a shot? Like they

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<v Speaker 2>were still there was still that level of normalcy, it seemed,

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<v Speaker 2>compared to like when I went through paparazzi stuff with

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<v Speaker 2>Meghan and it was like just fucking bananas. It was mayhem.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like, I remember, it's so different, Like it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't thirty guys, but it was enough, and they were

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<v Speaker 1>not nice. I remember Roger, one of my closest friends

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<v Speaker 1>at that time. They would yell the most hateful stuff

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<v Speaker 1>in the world to him just to get a reaction

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<v Speaker 1>from him.

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<v Speaker 2>Hoping that though that this would happen, because I see.

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<v Speaker 1>It was always at One and the Brent Boat House,

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<v Speaker 1>like seventies club I did.

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<v Speaker 2>I did Roxbury mainly and then bar One. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>I would get there early because we were promoting there

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<v Speaker 2>doing that whole thing. So I had like I had

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<v Speaker 2>great like back door avoid everyone access seeing your clubs.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the only reason, it's literally the only reason I

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<v Speaker 2>threw clubs.

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<v Speaker 1>Was old were you when you were wearing clubs.

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<v Speaker 2>Seventeenth right, I celebrated my nineteenth birthday at Bar One.

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<v Speaker 1>How crazy is that? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Bar One? Who was it? That was a part owner,

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<v Speaker 2>Vince Vince Neil was a part owner at that time.

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<v Speaker 2>He used to park his Lamborghini right out front. I

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<v Speaker 2>remember that.

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<v Speaker 1>I just remember the doorman. Like the first thing I

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<v Speaker 1>was told was if you want to get into Bar One,

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<v Speaker 1>mention his Bruno Magli shoes. Really, I had no idea

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<v Speaker 1>what kind of shoes those were, but I did it

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<v Speaker 1>and I got in. I don't know if it was

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<v Speaker 1>the shoes or because it was on nine O two

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<v Speaker 1>and zero, but I didn't want to assume I would be,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, let right in, so I talked about his shoes.

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<v Speaker 2>We were. We were on Sunset during like day day

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<v Speaker 2>of sunset. It felt like like with all the all

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<v Speaker 2>like all the big clubs were open and that like

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<v Speaker 2>nightlife was on Sunset Boulevard. It doesn't seem like that's

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<v Speaker 2>so much the case now. It seems like everything is

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<v Speaker 2>branched out a little bit. But the sunset was like.

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<v Speaker 1>Room. Do you remember the Rainbow Room?

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<v Speaker 4>Was that?

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<v Speaker 3>Not?

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<v Speaker 1>That was like during my rocker days?

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, that was uh Nick. Nick Adler ran

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<v Speaker 2>the Rainbow Room and the Roxy New Adler's son who

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<v Speaker 2>I hung out with all the time. So we used

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<v Speaker 2>to go to the Rainbow Room because we could get

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<v Speaker 2>free food there. So so we'd go with Nick and

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<v Speaker 2>we there was a booth in the kitchen, so we

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<v Speaker 2>would sit in the kitchen and order food and it

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<v Speaker 2>was all it was all covered that And then his

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<v Speaker 2>dad also owned La Salsa on pH where the where

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<v Speaker 2>the statue is still of the guy holding the platter.

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<v Speaker 2>That's yeah, La Salsa. So we used to go there

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<v Speaker 2>because Nick had his dad had like a guest house

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<v Speaker 2>with a racquetball court and basketball court in it, and

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<v Speaker 2>Nick lived there and it was right at the top

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<v Speaker 2>of the hill, like on the opposite side of Pch.

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<v Speaker 2>So we would come down the hill, go to the Salsa,

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<v Speaker 2>eat for free, go back. It was the greatest.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody was feeding me for free.

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<v Speaker 2>Aaron, No, Aaron Spelling wasn't feeding you for free. I

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<v Speaker 2>was just gonna make a joke. No, he wasn't, he was. No.

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<v Speaker 1>There were moments, yeah, I mean they had an amazing cook.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember her. She was fantastic and she would know

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<v Speaker 1>at Spelling's house and she would make me food whenever

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<v Speaker 1>I was there.

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<v Speaker 2>You come over. Yeah, it was like the White House,

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<v Speaker 2>like you could just request anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Pretty much, Yeah, pretty much. What was her name? Nan?

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<v Speaker 1>I think she was awesome. So yeah, when I was

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<v Speaker 1>at the Rainbow Room, I think I was hanging out

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<v Speaker 1>with Guns and Roses type people.

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<v Speaker 2>Like Eddie Veteran stuff, right, weren't you. No, it wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>around that time.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it was more like Slash and those guys, not

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<v Speaker 1>that I really knew them, and not that they would

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<v Speaker 1>even remember me.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I'm sure they would remember you.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I always do the same thing. I always like like

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<v Speaker 2>discredit myself and I'm like, oh, so and so doesn't remember,

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<v Speaker 2>And then you see and they're like, of course we

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<v Speaker 2>fucking remember you, like you crazy? You were like you

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<v Speaker 2>were on the biggest show on television. You were damn

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<v Speaker 2>the star of the biggest show on television. Yes, so

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<v Speaker 2>were you, but you were you were Brenda Walsh. That

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<v Speaker 2>show was about Brandon and Brenda moving to Beverly Hills,

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<v Speaker 2>so totally different situations. So I would assume that everyone

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<v Speaker 2>that ever crossed your path, especially during that time, absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>remembers it knows what they were wearing where it was.

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<v Speaker 1>We should give ourselves more credit for we should. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, So the next time then I see somebody

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I will you should be like, it's fucking me, bitch,

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<v Speaker 1>let's go right. Instead, I like drift off to a

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<v Speaker 1>wall somewhere and become a flower. Yeah yeah, and say

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<v Speaker 1>to myself, they will never remember meeting me. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>far too humiliating to go up and say, hey, do

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<v Speaker 1>you remember I met you? Blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>For them to look at me with that confused look

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<v Speaker 1>on their face.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's really funny, you know. When I did that,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like somber fucking up for a second. But when

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<v Speaker 2>we were at Luke's wake at that house and Quentin

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<v Speaker 2>Tarantino was there because they had just shot Once upon

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<v Speaker 2>a Time in Hollywood, and I had met Quinn at

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<v Speaker 2>the Golden Globes a few years before with Megan, and

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<v Speaker 2>he was so kind. He was like, oh, I loved

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<v Speaker 2>you in this movie, like he was great. And I

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<v Speaker 2>saw him at the thing and I didn't say hello

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<v Speaker 2>to him because I was like, there's no way he'd

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<v Speaker 2>remember me.

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<v Speaker 1>I had to say hi to him because I was intimidated.

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<v Speaker 2>Well I was intimidated, but also I was like, there's

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<v Speaker 2>no of course he.

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<v Speaker 1>Would remember you. Of course he would remember you. Well

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<v Speaker 1>that's what I just said to you. So but he

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<v Speaker 1>came up to you and made a point of saying,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I loved you in that movie. And was

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<v Speaker 1>he referring to Domino Domino. Yeah, also one of my

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<v Speaker 1>favorite movies, and you were hysterical in it. I loved

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<v Speaker 1>you in that movie so much. And again, just good movie.

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen that movie. I don't even know how many times.

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<v Speaker 1>Tony Scott was one of my all time favorite directors.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a huge Tony saw. I'm that way with Man

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<v Speaker 2>on Fire.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I've seen Man on Fire thirty five times.

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<v Speaker 2>No matter at what point it is in that movie.

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<v Speaker 2>If I walk through the room and it's on, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>stop and watch the rest of it. I don't care

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<v Speaker 2>where it is. It's that movie to me was like

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<v Speaker 2>perfectly crafted. Yeah, perfect blend of what Tony shot, what

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<v Speaker 2>he painted with the camera, what Denzel did, like they

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<v Speaker 2>were just the on all cylinders. It was amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I love that was amazing. Yeah, So all right,

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<v Speaker 1>let's go to nine oh two and zero for a

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<v Speaker 1>minute here, it's going to be longer than a minute,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know it. Okay, what was that because you

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<v Speaker 1>were pretty much the youngest. I think maybe Doug was

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<v Speaker 1>was Doug younger than you might have been. Doug might

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<v Speaker 1>have been one year younger than you, maybe think a year. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was like maybe less than like my months.

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<v Speaker 1>So you guys were the youngest. You stayed on Doug

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<v Speaker 1>did not, so by proxy, you were the youngest. What

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<v Speaker 1>was that like for you being the youngest? I know

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<v Speaker 1>for me, there were some people that were probably what

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<v Speaker 1>late twenties or early thirties, and they sort of had

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<v Speaker 1>their shit together already because they had already gone through

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<v Speaker 1>their twenties and their teens, and we were going through

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<v Speaker 1>it with the attention of nine to two one zero

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<v Speaker 1>on us, right, And I would have benefited from some

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<v Speaker 1>of that maturity for sure, But you also, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think could expect a complete level of maturity out of

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<v Speaker 1>for me an eighteen nineteen year old and you even younger.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, I mean it's I think the reality is

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<v Speaker 2>the experiences that we had being the ages that we

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<v Speaker 2>were and not being as together as we as we

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<v Speaker 2>would have wanted to be helped create the people that

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<v Speaker 2>we are now all the crazy stuff that we went through,

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<v Speaker 2>So we were absolutely supposed to be in that situation

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<v Speaker 2>at that maturity level. It sucked for me being younger

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<v Speaker 2>only because like, everybody was great when we were on

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<v Speaker 2>set and we were working, everybody was great. It was

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<v Speaker 2>really like an even kind of playing field, and we

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<v Speaker 2>all had fun and we all joked around and we

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<v Speaker 2>did that. But like when the guys went on a

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<v Speaker 2>trip to Germany, I think it was at one point,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was too young, so was Ian and Jason

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<v Speaker 2>and Luke that went and I hadn't even heard about

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<v Speaker 2>it because I know they were like, he can't even

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<v Speaker 2>fucking travel on his own, like what you know. So

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<v Speaker 2>so I would notice those age differences in things like that,

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<v Speaker 2>in going to certain events and going to bars for

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<v Speaker 2>a thing and going to stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't necessarily.

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<v Speaker 2>Included in those things, but not because they didn't want

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<v Speaker 2>me around, but because literally I couldn't have been around legally.

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<v Speaker 1>Could Yeah, legally I was too young.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think that's why Tory and I connected as

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<v Speaker 2>much as we did, because she was about the same age.

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<v Speaker 2>She's I think she's only like a month older than me.

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<v Speaker 2>So we had a lot of the same things in common.

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<v Speaker 2>We were in the same grades in school, we had

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<v Speaker 2>the same things coming up up.

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<v Speaker 1>Plus you had me in common. Let's be real, you

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<v Speaker 1>had meet in common.

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<v Speaker 2>We did.

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<v Speaker 1>No, you had a lot in common, that's for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, and I we had met each other and been friends,

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<v Speaker 2>like it seems like ten years before that. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>we were young when we met. You were still doing

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<v Speaker 2>I think you were still doing a little House on

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<v Speaker 2>the Prairie before you even started doing Our House with Chad.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we met. Yeah, I think it was like you.

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<v Speaker 1>Were those like weird Hollywood kids parties, the.

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<v Speaker 2>Fucking the Alfi soda pop parties.

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<v Speaker 1>They were fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Alfie parties were interesting because it was, like I always

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<v Speaker 2>tell people, during that time, for me my experience in Hollywood,

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<v Speaker 2>there were only like fifteen to twenty actors young actors,

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<v Speaker 2>so we all kind of knew each other, and we

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<v Speaker 2>all went to the same things because we were too

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<v Speaker 2>young to go to the clubs and go to the stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, Johnny Depp and all them were in

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<v Speaker 2>kind of the next grade level compared to compared to

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<v Speaker 2>what we were doing. So I loved those Alfie soda

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<v Speaker 2>pop parties. They were amazing. I like, I'll never forget them.

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<v Speaker 2>The New York Seltzer used to sponsor them, and I

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<v Speaker 2>remember it was like in ballrooms at hotels, and it

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<v Speaker 2>was I just felt so cool going to those because

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<v Speaker 2>I was young. I I hadn't even gone to my

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<v Speaker 2>first club until I was with David Faustino and there

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<v Speaker 2>was a club on like Hollywood Boulevard that we went to,

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<v Speaker 2>and I remember I was like, oh my god, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>in a club, Like this is the craziest thing ever.

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<v Speaker 2>I felt like such a cool guy, you know, at

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<v Speaker 2>like sixteen years old, to be like.

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<v Speaker 1>At that point in time, because she had.

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<v Speaker 2>Choices something horrible. I'm sure. I yeah. I So I

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<v Speaker 2>dressed better in life than I did once nine or

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<v Speaker 2>two when I was because so much of the David

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<v Speaker 2>Silver wardrobe was so fucking terrible. But it was almost

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<v Speaker 2>like a joke, like we would I remember going in

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<v Speaker 2>and we would go through fabric, like schools of fabric.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd go, ooh, let's try and make some pants out

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<v Speaker 2>of that. But god, I had some of the worst

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<v Speaker 2>fucking wardrobe ever. Truly, some of the w Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It was really used to.

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<v Speaker 2>Call me Awning Boy because I had a shirt that

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<v Speaker 2>was the same as the Beach Club awning that we

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<v Speaker 2>out from the stage.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you would come to set dressed in your wardrobe,

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<v Speaker 1>and I remember the boys would kind of rib you

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit, and the girls look at you and

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<v Speaker 1>be like myself it bro yeah everyone and be like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, I'm so sorry, And I was like, yeah, whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>It's like yeah to get personally, you were like, this

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<v Speaker 1>is cool. I'm doing my own thing. I got a

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<v Speaker 1>look going on for David Silver, but you did you

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<v Speaker 1>really created him as a character, because you did not

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<v Speaker 1>just like that in real life. Otherwise I need to

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<v Speaker 1>hang out with you. Do you remember your auditioning process

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<v Speaker 1>for not at all?

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<v Speaker 2>What was I It was at Aaron's office, I was

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<v Speaker 2>I remember I was friends with Doug, so we went

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<v Speaker 2>in and did a chemistry read together. I only went

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<v Speaker 2>in like two or three times because David Silver was

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<v Speaker 2>a much smaller character at that point, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>I was one of the first people cast on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Really, did you have to go to network and read

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<v Speaker 1>for the thirty executive?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 2>Never, what I read an Aaron's office and they were like, cool,

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<v Speaker 2>you're in. I was like, hey, right on. And so

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<v Speaker 2>then I remember going to the Fox lot and I

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<v Speaker 2>saw like Gabrielle and her like a little red convertible

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<v Speaker 2>like she had booked it. When in, we said hi

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<v Speaker 2>to each other at the gate, and I had to

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<v Speaker 2>go in and read with other actors auditioning for Steve

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<v Speaker 2>and I was late, of course, so Ian was like,

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<v Speaker 2>never let me live down the fact that he was

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to read with me and I wasn't there yet. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>had read with someone else, but yeah, I didn't have to.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank god, I didn't have to go through all those

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<v Speaker 2>like jump through all the crazy network hoops.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because it was intense, you know, back then, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean Jason and I spoke about it because there was

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<v Speaker 1>something like thirty it felt like thirty executives in the room.

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<v Speaker 1>It might have only have been twenty, and it felt

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<v Speaker 1>so daunting and very.

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<v Speaker 2>Bunch of network tests. I never did for an on Tozer.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's the worst because they usually hold them in

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<v Speaker 2>like the screening room, theater room on their lot, in

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<v Speaker 2>their offices, and it's you with whatever actor you're reading with,

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<v Speaker 2>and then there's like thirty people sitting in an audience

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<v Speaker 2>just completely silent. Yeah, and you're supposed to put on

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<v Speaker 2>your best performance for them, and they shuffle you in.

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<v Speaker 2>You go down, you do the scene, you're like okay

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<v Speaker 2>by everyone, and then they shuffle you out. They shuffle

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<v Speaker 2>the next person in, So it's this weird like cattle

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<v Speaker 2>call thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and if you're lucky, you get to read with

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<v Speaker 1>another actor. Most of the time, almost all of my

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<v Speaker 1>network stuff, I think I read opposite a casting director

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<v Speaker 1>and then they would ask you to wait and they

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<v Speaker 1>would narrow it down and then bring you in with

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<v Speaker 1>the other number one choice. So it's like if I'm

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<v Speaker 1>the number one Brenda so far in Jason's number one brand,

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<v Speaker 1>and then we would read together, right, which is even

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<v Speaker 1>worse because then you're doing it twice.

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<v Speaker 2>But then they would read each of you with other

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<v Speaker 2>actors and all of that stuff. Yeah. Yeah, the whole

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<v Speaker 2>chemistry aspect of it is so tough. I did that

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<v Speaker 2>for Freddy. I had to do a network test, which

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<v Speaker 2>was super daunting, But luckily Freddie is so cool and

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<v Speaker 2>he was on stage like he was the one that

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<v Speaker 2>I read with for everything.

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<v Speaker 1>I forgot what I for call it that you worked

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<v Speaker 1>with Freddie.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh yeah, we did it. We did a fulld

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<v Speaker 2>That's how. That's how I became really good friends with him.

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<v Speaker 2>And Sarah was Sarah used to Sarah was fucking great.

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<v Speaker 2>She would come to set. Uh every week we would

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<v Speaker 2>have our tape our tape day, and she would come

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<v Speaker 2>and bring like and banandas and like, she would be

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<v Speaker 2>out at the craft service table, like setting stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>It was.

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<v Speaker 2>She was amazing and she was there every single week,

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<v Speaker 2>and Freddy was amazing. And I had so much fun

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<v Speaker 2>on that because that was the first time that I

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<v Speaker 2>had done like a sitcom comedy, and every audition for

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<v Speaker 2>a comedy that I had had leading up to that,

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<v Speaker 2>I always got the same note by manager and agent,

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<v Speaker 2>like was he sick? Does he like? Does he not

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<v Speaker 2>like the script?

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<v Speaker 1>Was that?

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<v Speaker 2>Like? I always got the worst, the worst notes of

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<v Speaker 2>like oh he just seemed like he didn't want to

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<v Speaker 2>be there. He seemed like, you know, his dog died,

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<v Speaker 2>Like it was just worse. I was like, maybe I

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<v Speaker 2>should maybe I shouldn't be doing comedies. And then I

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<v Speaker 2>went in for that one and Bruce Helford, the guy

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<v Speaker 2>that was doing it, I had gone in and met

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<v Speaker 2>with him on a show that he was going to

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<v Speaker 2>do with Johnny Gilecki, and he really got like the

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<v Speaker 2>humor that I was doing, and it was just in

0:22:23.000 --> 0:22:24.600
<v Speaker 2>the room with him. I didn't go to network test,

0:22:24.680 --> 0:22:29.399
<v Speaker 2>the show never went that far. So then when when

0:22:29.440 --> 0:22:31.520
<v Speaker 2>they brought me in for Freddie, it was the same

0:22:31.640 --> 0:22:33.439
<v Speaker 2>kind of thing, Like I had a really good rapport

0:22:33.520 --> 0:22:37.600
<v Speaker 2>with him. Freddie's fucking great. So it was like that

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<v Speaker 2>was the first time where I'd done a comedy and

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<v Speaker 2>I really realized like, oh shit, like I'm funny, Like

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<v Speaker 2>I can do this, Like I figured out what an

0:22:48.080 --> 0:22:51.800
<v Speaker 2>audience would react to him, what they wouldn't, and like

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<v Speaker 2>just the biggest confidence booster in the world for me.

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<v Speaker 2>So I went from that, and then all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 2>everybody at all the different networks, they're like, oh, Brian's

0:23:00.000 --> 0:23:02.320
<v Speaker 2>really funny. But it's like I'm doing the same fucking

0:23:02.400 --> 0:23:05.320
<v Speaker 2>thing I've been doing for the past like fifteen years.

0:23:05.520 --> 0:23:08.639
<v Speaker 2>You guys all thought I sucked. There's nothing has changed.

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<v Speaker 1>You all thought that my dog.

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<v Speaker 2>Died every told me my dog died every week. Apparently,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the only difference is that I now am

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<v Speaker 2>working for a guy that fucking believes in me. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and so he gives me a shot to like do

0:23:25.720 --> 0:23:28.520
<v Speaker 2>me Like he would write stuff. But then if I

0:23:28.600 --> 0:23:30.760
<v Speaker 2>went off page or went off book and improved a

0:23:30.800 --> 0:23:32.920
<v Speaker 2>little bit, he was he would just fucking keep it rolling.

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<v Speaker 2>He was great that way. And then I ended up

0:23:35.600 --> 0:23:37.960
<v Speaker 2>working with him a few other times. I did Anger

0:23:38.040 --> 0:23:40.280
<v Speaker 2>Management with him. That was he did that show with

0:23:40.400 --> 0:23:43.840
<v Speaker 2>Charlie Sheen. She originally brought me in for the first

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<v Speaker 2>episode to do just one scene to play his current

0:23:49.720 --> 0:23:53.480
<v Speaker 2>girlfriend's ex husband. So I had a whole scene like

0:23:53.640 --> 0:23:55.240
<v Speaker 2>in there, and I just had the one scene and

0:23:55.240 --> 0:23:57.159
<v Speaker 2>I went home and I was like, hey, good luck everybody.

0:23:57.240 --> 0:23:59.880
<v Speaker 2>I'd met Charlie on the Warner Brothers lot. And then

0:24:00.000 --> 0:24:02.080
<v Speaker 2>Bruce called me like six months later and he was like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>do you want to come back and do like forty

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<v Speaker 2>something more of these? It's like, yeah, fuck, yeah, I do.

0:24:08.359 --> 0:24:10.600
<v Speaker 2>What is that a trick question? Like as an actor

0:24:10.680 --> 0:24:14.280
<v Speaker 2>to get a pick up for forty plus episodes, I'll

0:24:14.320 --> 0:24:16.840
<v Speaker 2>totally do it. But yeah, you know, it's like it's

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<v Speaker 2>until you do something new and people haven't seen you

0:24:21.240 --> 0:24:25.240
<v Speaker 2>in it. Executives in a lot of cases aren't fucking creative.

0:24:25.359 --> 0:24:27.679
<v Speaker 2>They can't see outside of what is on the page

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<v Speaker 2>and whether you fit the image they had in their

0:24:31.680 --> 0:24:35.800
<v Speaker 2>mind or not. I remember watching an interview that Quentin

0:24:35.880 --> 0:24:39.840
<v Speaker 2>Tarantina was doing and he was talking about that when

0:24:39.880 --> 0:24:42.359
<v Speaker 2>he gets on set, he always lets his actors do

0:24:42.560 --> 0:24:44.520
<v Speaker 2>the first couple takes the way they would want to

0:24:44.560 --> 0:24:47.720
<v Speaker 2>do them, because he's like, who, who's going to try

0:24:47.840 --> 0:24:50.040
<v Speaker 2>more shit? And like, go for it more than these

0:24:50.080 --> 0:24:52.959
<v Speaker 2>fucking people that I've hired to play these characters. Then

0:24:53.040 --> 0:24:56.480
<v Speaker 2>you can always tool from there. But executives, a lot

0:24:56.560 --> 0:24:58.159
<v Speaker 2>of executives, I don't want to say all of them,

0:24:58.200 --> 0:25:01.400
<v Speaker 2>but a lot of them don't have that frame of mind.

0:25:01.480 --> 0:25:03.480
<v Speaker 2>They don't have that mind state of like, yeah.

0:25:03.440 --> 0:25:05.560
<v Speaker 1>It's like when you were you were I don't know

0:25:05.600 --> 0:25:07.600
<v Speaker 1>if you were told us all the time, But when

0:25:07.640 --> 0:25:11.040
<v Speaker 1>I was going to audition, I was told to dress

0:25:11.119 --> 0:25:14.200
<v Speaker 1>like the character and do my makeup in my hair

0:25:14.359 --> 0:25:16.920
<v Speaker 1>like the character. And I was saying, well, it's a

0:25:17.000 --> 0:25:20.400
<v Speaker 1>period piece and I'm not going out and renting a costume.

0:25:20.800 --> 0:25:22.639
<v Speaker 2>You're playing a rocker. It's like, I don't listen to

0:25:22.760 --> 0:25:24.920
<v Speaker 2>rock music. I have no like, I don't what do

0:25:25.000 --> 0:25:26.400
<v Speaker 2>you so I'm gonna.

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<v Speaker 1>Go buy shit, right. It just was always weird, and

0:25:30.960 --> 0:25:36.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't really think I ever participated in that. Maybe

0:25:36.160 --> 0:25:37.280
<v Speaker 1>my career would have been better.

0:25:37.440 --> 0:25:40.040
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, but you've had a good, long career

0:25:40.119 --> 0:25:44.240
<v Speaker 3>though I've had a pretty blessed career. I participated in that,

0:25:44.520 --> 0:25:48.399
<v Speaker 3>Like my mom would make me remember when.

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<v Speaker 2>When we were younger. I don't know if you had one,

0:25:51.400 --> 0:25:54.120
<v Speaker 2>but I had a headshot that I had like six

0:25:54.320 --> 0:25:57.240
<v Speaker 2>different on the back, so there was like the main

0:25:57.560 --> 0:26:01.200
<v Speaker 2>shot it like me with glass is looking studious me

0:26:01.400 --> 0:26:02.240
<v Speaker 2>like fixing a bike.

0:26:02.400 --> 0:26:06.600
<v Speaker 3>For me, it was like pass and then address yes,

0:26:06.880 --> 0:26:08.720
<v Speaker 3>giving all the different looks like this is what I

0:26:08.800 --> 0:26:09.040
<v Speaker 3>could do.

0:26:09.160 --> 0:26:12.199
<v Speaker 2>And I never understood that. So I literally like they

0:26:12.240 --> 0:26:13.920
<v Speaker 2>put me in the different clothes and it was like okay,

0:26:13.960 --> 0:26:16.280
<v Speaker 2>so now I'm wearing this like I am I supposed

0:26:16.320 --> 0:26:19.399
<v Speaker 2>to do something different, but the camera like how is

0:26:19.920 --> 0:26:21.920
<v Speaker 2>how does this work? I just want to get paid

0:26:22.040 --> 0:26:24.480
<v Speaker 2>my toys, like I don't you know, I don't I

0:26:24.520 --> 0:26:26.920
<v Speaker 2>don't care about the professional aspect of all of this.

0:26:27.240 --> 0:26:30.240
<v Speaker 2>I just hire me and pay me because I really

0:26:30.320 --> 0:26:33.680
<v Speaker 2>want the money. Like that's that was. That was honestly

0:26:33.720 --> 0:26:35.359
<v Speaker 2>where my head was when I was a kid, I

0:26:35.440 --> 0:26:36.840
<v Speaker 2>had no concept.

0:26:36.520 --> 0:26:41.600
<v Speaker 1>Of what that age is saying to themselves, Oh my

0:26:41.920 --> 0:26:45.480
<v Speaker 1>dream is to be an actor and transform myself into

0:26:45.560 --> 0:26:49.080
<v Speaker 1>other characters, and you're not really saying that at.

0:26:49.040 --> 0:26:53.000
<v Speaker 2>The age of the only reason I even started was

0:26:53.080 --> 0:26:55.440
<v Speaker 2>a kid on the fucking bus with me going to

0:26:55.600 --> 0:26:58.800
<v Speaker 2>elementary school was doing commercials and he always had toys,

0:26:58.840 --> 0:27:00.960
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, that's how do you have enough

0:27:01.040 --> 0:27:03.240
<v Speaker 2>money to have all these toys every time you get

0:27:03.280 --> 0:27:05.959
<v Speaker 2>on the bus, like video games and things. He's like, oh,

0:27:06.000 --> 0:27:08.760
<v Speaker 2>I do commercials, and I was like, sign me up,

0:27:08.840 --> 0:27:11.359
<v Speaker 2>let's do it. I went and met with his agent.

0:27:12.680 --> 0:27:14.639
<v Speaker 2>I met with his agent. I had to read a

0:27:14.760 --> 0:27:17.719
<v Speaker 2>Smucker's commercial and I had to read a scene from

0:27:17.800 --> 0:27:22.000
<v Speaker 2>Little House on the Prairie audition for the agent, and

0:27:22.119 --> 0:27:24.600
<v Speaker 2>the agent was like, yeah, you suck, but you're cute,

0:27:24.920 --> 0:27:27.200
<v Speaker 2>so you know, well, let's give it a shot. And

0:27:27.280 --> 0:27:29.520
<v Speaker 2>I didn't book anything for a year. I did. I

0:27:29.560 --> 0:27:31.000
<v Speaker 2>had to go to acting class, I had to do

0:27:31.040 --> 0:27:34.040
<v Speaker 2>all sorts. I kept you, Yeah, because there were only

0:27:34.119 --> 0:27:37.280
<v Speaker 2>like twelve kids, what choice did they have. It was

0:27:37.359 --> 0:27:39.800
<v Speaker 2>like Fox with nine to two and zero early on, like,

0:27:40.240 --> 0:27:42.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, nobody was watching us, but what were they

0:27:42.320 --> 0:27:44.720
<v Speaker 2>going to fill our fucking space with right?

0:27:45.400 --> 0:27:45.920
<v Speaker 1>Like what you know?

0:27:46.000 --> 0:27:46.680
<v Speaker 2>What? Like?

0:27:46.800 --> 0:27:47.280
<v Speaker 1>What do they do?

0:27:48.040 --> 0:27:48.239
<v Speaker 2>I mean?

0:27:48.600 --> 0:27:48.840
<v Speaker 1>God?

0:27:49.040 --> 0:27:49.159
<v Speaker 4>Right?

0:27:49.320 --> 0:27:52.280
<v Speaker 2>Because if we were on NBC or CBS or any

0:27:52.320 --> 0:27:52.800
<v Speaker 2>of those.

0:27:52.960 --> 0:27:55.240
<v Speaker 1>It might have been a completely different story. We would

0:27:55.280 --> 0:27:57.600
<v Speaker 1>have been canceled, we would have been done after the pilot.

0:27:57.840 --> 0:28:08.960
<v Speaker 1>Right for you, obviously, again we sort of said that

0:28:09.080 --> 0:28:14.320
<v Speaker 1>you were the youngest. Yeah, and along with Tory the

0:28:14.440 --> 0:28:18.200
<v Speaker 1>different things that transpired. But how was that for you

0:28:19.200 --> 0:28:22.520
<v Speaker 1>as a kid and then growing into your age and

0:28:22.640 --> 0:28:24.880
<v Speaker 1>into your character and into your position on the set.

0:28:25.880 --> 0:28:30.680
<v Speaker 1>At what point did you feel that you had matured

0:28:30.800 --> 0:28:33.600
<v Speaker 1>enough or old enough for them to start listening to

0:28:33.680 --> 0:28:36.480
<v Speaker 1>your voice. Was there a moment for you where you

0:28:36.560 --> 0:28:40.720
<v Speaker 1>felt like they listened better?

0:28:40.960 --> 0:28:41.280
<v Speaker 2>Damn it?

0:28:41.400 --> 0:28:46.000
<v Speaker 1>Respect me, not even respect, but just if you had

0:28:46.000 --> 0:28:48.719
<v Speaker 1>a suggestion for your character or you had an opinion

0:28:48.800 --> 0:28:49.320
<v Speaker 1>about something.

0:28:49.680 --> 0:28:53.560
<v Speaker 2>So I had suggestions and opinions early on because we

0:28:53.720 --> 0:28:56.640
<v Speaker 2>had been acting. We'd been doing it for a while,

0:28:57.040 --> 0:28:58.880
<v Speaker 2>you'd been doing it for a while. We met way

0:28:58.960 --> 0:29:02.080
<v Speaker 2>before the show doing it for a while, so like

0:29:03.360 --> 0:29:06.040
<v Speaker 2>we weren't rookies coming into this, you know, it was

0:29:06.120 --> 0:29:10.920
<v Speaker 2>like Wes. So I had ideas early on about David

0:29:11.040 --> 0:29:16.320
<v Speaker 2>Silver and I David Silver, Like there wasn't much direction

0:29:16.480 --> 0:29:18.640
<v Speaker 2>that was given to me early on, Like I was,

0:29:18.800 --> 0:29:20.920
<v Speaker 2>I jumped in and put on the bad wardrobe, into

0:29:21.040 --> 0:29:24.239
<v Speaker 2>the shit and was like let's go, and was all

0:29:24.240 --> 0:29:27.200
<v Speaker 2>about creating a character. So I never I never really

0:29:27.360 --> 0:29:34.400
<v Speaker 2>had that issue, thank god, with Aaron or Paul or

0:29:34.600 --> 0:29:38.920
<v Speaker 2>anybody that was involved. What I had though, was growing

0:29:39.040 --> 0:29:42.640
<v Speaker 2>up on camera doing the show was hard for me

0:29:42.760 --> 0:29:47.400
<v Speaker 2>because as I was getting older, it was the line

0:29:47.560 --> 0:29:53.000
<v Speaker 2>between David and Brian got like fainter and fainter, and

0:29:53.120 --> 0:29:55.120
<v Speaker 2>it was and it was hard at that point. The

0:29:55.160 --> 0:29:57.400
<v Speaker 2>writers would see things I was doing, They'd go, ooh,

0:29:57.560 --> 0:30:00.960
<v Speaker 2>David should be doing that also, and then was like okay, now,

0:30:02.760 --> 0:30:06.040
<v Speaker 2>j right, everything is linked. My music career is fucking

0:30:06.080 --> 0:30:08.120
<v Speaker 2>linked to David. It was like there were you know,

0:30:08.400 --> 0:30:10.440
<v Speaker 2>the dancing and stuff that we were always doing out

0:30:10.480 --> 0:30:12.840
<v Speaker 2>of clubs. I did that at a Rapp party and

0:30:12.880 --> 0:30:14.640
<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden it was like, oh, David dances,

0:30:14.680 --> 0:30:18.520
<v Speaker 2>and then they just like continued to run with it. Understandably,

0:30:18.640 --> 0:30:23.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm not faulting them for it, but as as a

0:30:23.200 --> 0:30:27.320
<v Speaker 2>young guy starting from seventeen to twenty seven, and those

0:30:27.360 --> 0:30:31.960
<v Speaker 2>were like my most formidable years I went through. I

0:30:32.120 --> 0:30:36.120
<v Speaker 2>remember when my album didn't do well. That was the

0:30:36.320 --> 0:30:40.840
<v Speaker 2>first time in my life that I had had to

0:30:40.920 --> 0:30:45.680
<v Speaker 2>deal with failure. Ever nine O two one zero blew

0:30:45.760 --> 0:30:49.120
<v Speaker 2>Up did well acting wise, like once I started booking

0:30:49.200 --> 0:30:51.880
<v Speaker 2>commercials and shit, I just was booking stuff all the time,

0:30:51.920 --> 0:30:56.440
<v Speaker 2>and I was super fucking busy, not slant every I did,

0:30:56.520 --> 0:30:59.120
<v Speaker 2>like seventy five commercials. I remember, I was one of

0:30:59.160 --> 0:31:01.920
<v Speaker 2>the first of our has to buy a house because

0:31:01.920 --> 0:31:03.760
<v Speaker 2>I had money from commercials. I bought a house in

0:31:03.800 --> 0:31:08.440
<v Speaker 2>Burbank when like Jason was in a condo and you've

0:31:08.520 --> 0:31:11.080
<v Speaker 2>bought a house, not either right before you write it

0:31:11.160 --> 0:31:14.320
<v Speaker 2>after it Like you were always really independent, I thought,

0:31:15.440 --> 0:31:18.240
<v Speaker 2>or maybe not, Maybe you were. Maybe you were running

0:31:18.280 --> 0:31:21.840
<v Speaker 2>a brothel just outside of Vegas. That's probably what I

0:31:21.960 --> 0:31:25.480
<v Speaker 2>was really crinute to work every morning. I do. I'll

0:31:25.600 --> 0:31:27.920
<v Speaker 2>never forget though us driving on the four or five.

0:31:28.200 --> 0:31:30.000
<v Speaker 1>I didn't buy a house, I think until it was

0:31:30.080 --> 0:31:33.320
<v Speaker 1>like twenty one or something, twenty one or twenty two.

0:31:33.400 --> 0:31:35.120
<v Speaker 1>I think I bought my first house, and I bought

0:31:35.160 --> 0:31:35.920
<v Speaker 1>it out in Malibu.

0:31:36.120 --> 0:31:37.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah in Malibu, you didn't.

0:31:37.760 --> 0:31:43.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I least purchased a house and then ran out

0:31:43.920 --> 0:31:45.040
<v Speaker 1>of money and couldn't afford it.

0:31:45.760 --> 0:31:49.640
<v Speaker 2>That happened Malibu compared to Burbank. I loved him buy.

0:31:50.000 --> 0:31:52.040
<v Speaker 2>I loved that My first house was in Burbank and

0:31:52.120 --> 0:31:55.360
<v Speaker 2>yours is in Malibu. You were like, let me buy

0:31:55.520 --> 0:31:57.280
<v Speaker 2>top of the market, and I was like, let me

0:31:57.400 --> 0:32:00.360
<v Speaker 2>just buy something that I you know, it was.

0:32:00.360 --> 0:32:02.400
<v Speaker 1>One of the only smart things I did back then.

0:32:05.400 --> 0:32:09.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was that was you didn't you haven't been

0:32:09.280 --> 0:32:10.320
<v Speaker 2>in Alabu the whole time.

0:32:11.920 --> 0:32:16.080
<v Speaker 1>No, So I bought it and then I I lived

0:32:16.080 --> 0:32:18.320
<v Speaker 1>there for a little bit and I found the commute

0:32:18.480 --> 0:32:22.800
<v Speaker 1>was really hard, and so I moved my parents in.

0:32:23.520 --> 0:32:26.440
<v Speaker 1>I gave the house to my parents, and I moved

0:32:26.560 --> 0:32:28.640
<v Speaker 1>up to Do you remember my house off of Moholland

0:32:28.760 --> 0:32:29.520
<v Speaker 1>on Sumatra.

0:32:29.760 --> 0:32:31.360
<v Speaker 2>That's what I was just going to say. I remember

0:32:31.400 --> 0:32:33.360
<v Speaker 2>that one and you were in that house when you

0:32:33.480 --> 0:32:35.320
<v Speaker 2>when you were doing charm also you were there for

0:32:35.360 --> 0:32:35.880
<v Speaker 2>a little while.

0:32:36.280 --> 0:32:40.160
<v Speaker 1>No, definitely not. I definitely moved on because that had Yeah,

0:32:40.160 --> 0:32:43.240
<v Speaker 1>I rented a lot of houses, lots of money down

0:32:43.280 --> 0:32:46.320
<v Speaker 1>the drain with the rental thing, but uh, you know,

0:32:47.120 --> 0:32:52.480
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't figure out I wasn't settled obviously, So do you,

0:32:53.560 --> 0:32:56.680
<v Speaker 1>because I recall when tensions started happening on the set,

0:32:56.840 --> 0:32:59.960
<v Speaker 1>and it was always awesome to me that the boys

0:33:00.160 --> 0:33:03.440
<v Speaker 1>got along so well. You guys were always very supportive

0:33:03.480 --> 0:33:08.720
<v Speaker 1>of each other and congratulating each other, and it wasn't

0:33:08.840 --> 0:33:10.640
<v Speaker 1>necessarily the same with the girls.

0:33:11.280 --> 0:33:14.560
<v Speaker 2>And I think let's just say it wasn't the same

0:33:14.600 --> 0:33:17.760
<v Speaker 2>with the girls instead of it wasn't always necessarily the same,

0:33:18.240 --> 0:33:22.240
<v Speaker 2>because that's I feel like you're sugarcoating that situation a

0:33:22.280 --> 0:33:25.600
<v Speaker 2>little bit. That was it got it. I'd like, I

0:33:25.760 --> 0:33:30.320
<v Speaker 2>remember it got really rough and competitive for you all,

0:33:30.520 --> 0:33:35.000
<v Speaker 2>Like it was, Yeah, that was not an easy situation

0:33:35.360 --> 0:33:38.880
<v Speaker 2>to watch, and we used to I remember the guys

0:33:38.960 --> 0:33:42.120
<v Speaker 2>like we used to talk about that. I remember at

0:33:42.160 --> 0:33:45.760
<v Speaker 2>one point when there was a fight out front, and

0:33:46.040 --> 0:33:48.080
<v Speaker 2>I and and I were there, and so we were

0:33:48.120 --> 0:33:50.920
<v Speaker 2>the two that stepped into the kind of the middle

0:33:51.000 --> 0:33:53.240
<v Speaker 2>of it to keep it from escalating.

0:33:53.880 --> 0:33:56.680
<v Speaker 1>It was very hard because I think the expectation that

0:33:56.840 --> 0:34:02.280
<v Speaker 1>was coming my way was that I should not be

0:34:02.480 --> 0:34:06.280
<v Speaker 1>doing as much press as I was doing. And what

0:34:06.440 --> 0:34:11.080
<v Speaker 1>nobody realized is that I didn't actually enjoy taking my

0:34:11.160 --> 0:34:15.360
<v Speaker 1>weekends and going and doing photo shoots and doing publicity.

0:34:15.600 --> 0:34:19.839
<v Speaker 1>But I had a network, and I had producers who

0:34:20.000 --> 0:34:21.200
<v Speaker 1>were telling me I had to.

0:34:21.200 --> 0:34:22.720
<v Speaker 2>Go do it right this Saturday.

0:34:22.760 --> 0:34:25.719
<v Speaker 1>This is what you're doing right, and you say yes,

0:34:26.200 --> 0:34:30.879
<v Speaker 1>even though you were exhausted and you're sort of fed

0:34:30.960 --> 0:34:35.440
<v Speaker 1>up of answering the same questions from multiple people in interviews,

0:34:36.160 --> 0:34:38.400
<v Speaker 1>and even though there are moments where super cool to

0:34:38.480 --> 0:34:41.120
<v Speaker 1>be on the cover of a magazine again like Rolling Stone,

0:34:41.200 --> 0:34:44.960
<v Speaker 1>Jason and I spoke about that, but the rest, all

0:34:45.040 --> 0:34:48.640
<v Speaker 1>the rest, I was like, I was pretty exhausted, and

0:34:48.800 --> 0:34:51.920
<v Speaker 1>I was going through a lot of my own growing up,

0:34:52.320 --> 0:34:57.400
<v Speaker 1>and it just seemed that I was really getting the

0:34:57.560 --> 0:35:01.920
<v Speaker 1>brunt of why is this sh show about Brenda and Brandon?

0:35:02.719 --> 0:35:05.280
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, absolutely were.

0:35:05.520 --> 0:35:10.440
<v Speaker 1>Well because it's about the Washes. I didn't write the

0:35:10.520 --> 0:35:14.880
<v Speaker 1>show right, absolutely, and you know, I didn't cast myself.

0:35:15.120 --> 0:35:18.480
<v Speaker 1>I got cast. I felt from my job right, and

0:35:19.200 --> 0:35:21.080
<v Speaker 1>but it felt very hard. And the and the fight.

0:35:21.200 --> 0:35:24.600
<v Speaker 1>What's really funny about that fight that was between myself

0:35:24.640 --> 0:35:27.160
<v Speaker 1>and Jenny and it started, I don't know if you

0:35:27.239 --> 0:35:30.840
<v Speaker 1>remember why it started. She was doing uh, she was

0:35:30.960 --> 0:35:33.840
<v Speaker 1>calling it pants down Day, where she would pull the

0:35:33.960 --> 0:35:36.359
<v Speaker 1>pants on the on the on some of the crew

0:35:36.440 --> 0:35:39.120
<v Speaker 1>members in a funny way, but some of them were

0:35:39.160 --> 0:35:41.960
<v Speaker 1>getting pretty annoyed with it. And then I reversed it

0:35:42.760 --> 0:35:46.479
<v Speaker 1>and I said skirt up Day. And she always wore

0:35:47.000 --> 0:35:50.880
<v Speaker 1>the men's Calvin Klein boxer shorts under her clothes, so

0:35:51.120 --> 0:35:52.520
<v Speaker 1>I didn't think it was that big of a deal.

0:35:52.560 --> 0:35:57.080
<v Speaker 1>And so I did skirt up Day, and oh my god,

0:35:57.760 --> 0:36:02.600
<v Speaker 1>she lost it on me and I was just not

0:36:02.760 --> 0:36:03.839
<v Speaker 1>in the mood to back down.

0:36:04.480 --> 0:36:07.319
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, there was there was a lot. I mean,

0:36:07.400 --> 0:36:10.960
<v Speaker 2>that was fuck. What was everybody going through personally in

0:36:11.120 --> 0:36:14.880
<v Speaker 2>life at that point, because that was a huge there

0:36:14.960 --> 0:36:17.879
<v Speaker 2>was a huge moment for everyone. And it's like, it's

0:36:20.239 --> 0:36:24.640
<v Speaker 2>like I really now try and take it from an

0:36:24.719 --> 0:36:29.439
<v Speaker 2>angle of trying to understand what was going on because

0:36:29.520 --> 0:36:32.280
<v Speaker 2>I was, we were young, and I was so fucking

0:36:32.360 --> 0:36:34.200
<v Speaker 2>selfish at that point. I was like, what is it,

0:36:34.320 --> 0:36:36.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, trying to figure out how everything had something

0:36:36.239 --> 0:36:37.680
<v Speaker 2>to do with me, and it's like, it's not fucking

0:36:37.719 --> 0:36:38.040
<v Speaker 2>about you.

0:36:38.320 --> 0:36:38.960
<v Speaker 1>Stop it, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't imagine what everybody was going through. And I

0:36:43.600 --> 0:36:46.320
<v Speaker 2>talk about this with Tiffany, like, I you know, Tiffany

0:36:46.400 --> 0:36:49.839
<v Speaker 2>came on, Poor fucking Tiffany came on the show. I'd

0:36:49.920 --> 0:36:54.680
<v Speaker 2>never been in a real serious relationship before. I was

0:36:55.160 --> 0:36:58.560
<v Speaker 2>incredibly jealous every time she would fucking have to work

0:36:58.600 --> 0:37:01.080
<v Speaker 2>with anybody else because we'd already been doing the show

0:37:01.120 --> 0:37:03.600
<v Speaker 2>for four years, like this is my family, this is

0:37:03.719 --> 0:37:06.360
<v Speaker 2>you know. I used to bring Tiffany to events so

0:37:06.520 --> 0:37:08.719
<v Speaker 2>she knew everybody from then all of a sudden, she's,

0:37:08.840 --> 0:37:11.319
<v Speaker 2>you know, doing like sex scenes and shit with Pete

0:37:11.360 --> 0:37:14.040
<v Speaker 2>with people that were like my family and my brothers.

0:37:14.120 --> 0:37:15.560
<v Speaker 1>It was, yeah, it's weird.

0:37:16.080 --> 0:37:19.400
<v Speaker 2>So I remember, like I was very uh, I was

0:37:19.680 --> 0:37:23.880
<v Speaker 2>really just fucking jealous and like oysterous and like, didn't

0:37:24.880 --> 0:37:28.000
<v Speaker 2>I made it really hard for Aaron. I made it

0:37:28.120 --> 0:37:30.439
<v Speaker 2>really hard for Chuck Rosen. I made it really hard

0:37:30.520 --> 0:37:33.279
<v Speaker 2>for people because it was like I was trying to

0:37:34.520 --> 0:37:38.000
<v Speaker 2>without making demands, make demands of like, you know, don't

0:37:38.040 --> 0:37:39.560
<v Speaker 2>do this again to me, like this is you don't

0:37:39.600 --> 0:37:41.640
<v Speaker 2>have to do this, let's do you, like, really putting

0:37:41.680 --> 0:37:45.400
<v Speaker 2>fucking pressure on people, And now, looking back on it,

0:37:45.480 --> 0:37:48.560
<v Speaker 2>I can't imagine what that was like for her, right,

0:37:48.640 --> 0:37:50.640
<v Speaker 2>I can't imagine what it was like for her being

0:37:50.719 --> 0:37:53.160
<v Speaker 2>with me for three years at that point and the

0:37:53.239 --> 0:37:57.000
<v Speaker 2>hostage person set and having to do these scenes, but

0:37:57.120 --> 0:37:59.520
<v Speaker 2>then having her fucking boyfriend who she lives with. By

0:37:59.560 --> 0:38:02.160
<v Speaker 2>the way, freaking out the way that I was well like,

0:38:02.320 --> 0:38:06.120
<v Speaker 2>I cannot imagine. That's also just growing pains. I mean, listen,

0:38:06.760 --> 0:38:09.200
<v Speaker 2>there's a difference. We all see each other, we all

0:38:09.480 --> 0:38:09.960
<v Speaker 2>get along.

0:38:10.080 --> 0:38:15.320
<v Speaker 1>Now. I don't have any animosity towards anyone. I'm like you.

0:38:15.520 --> 0:38:19.279
<v Speaker 1>I sort of look and say, we were so young,

0:38:20.000 --> 0:38:24.400
<v Speaker 1>and we were growing up and stretching our wings and

0:38:24.520 --> 0:38:26.799
<v Speaker 1>learning how to use our voice and what that meant,

0:38:27.000 --> 0:38:32.440
<v Speaker 1>and figuring out relationships in real life. And you know,

0:38:32.560 --> 0:38:36.440
<v Speaker 1>I was with an abusive husband for that last season,

0:38:36.760 --> 0:38:39.800
<v Speaker 1>and I had a lot of bad boyfriends. If you

0:38:40.440 --> 0:38:47.080
<v Speaker 1>remember that, I had the worst taste. I still perhaps do. Broken.

0:38:47.160 --> 0:38:48.880
<v Speaker 2>That's all you just need, do You just need to

0:38:48.960 --> 0:38:50.960
<v Speaker 2>have somebody come in and recalibrate your picker.

0:38:51.440 --> 0:38:54.319
<v Speaker 1>I know, I'm just I'm never picking for myself again.

0:38:54.360 --> 0:38:57.800
<v Speaker 1>Somebody else has to do it. But because I'm just terrible.

0:38:57.880 --> 0:39:02.960
<v Speaker 1>I think Rob was probably my absolute best boyfriend I

0:39:03.040 --> 0:39:06.000
<v Speaker 1>ever had, for sure seven years two with him, so

0:39:06.440 --> 0:39:11.680
<v Speaker 1>he was great the rest bye bye. But I think

0:39:11.760 --> 0:39:18.680
<v Speaker 1>I give us more allowance now to forgive ourselves and

0:39:18.840 --> 0:39:25.560
<v Speaker 1>to forgive others for being friggin kids. Working on that

0:39:25.680 --> 0:39:32.000
<v Speaker 1>show and having that amount of publicity and attention and fame,

0:39:32.120 --> 0:39:35.840
<v Speaker 1>and yeah, it's even with Jason when he was on,

0:39:36.400 --> 0:39:39.840
<v Speaker 1>I talked to him about getting fired and what that

0:39:40.040 --> 0:39:45.040
<v Speaker 1>was like and what he must have felt because there

0:39:45.080 --> 0:39:48.480
<v Speaker 1>were only a few people who knew what I was

0:39:48.560 --> 0:39:51.640
<v Speaker 1>going through at the time. And I'm not going to

0:39:51.840 --> 0:39:54.280
<v Speaker 1>rehash it here because they can listen to the podcast

0:39:54.320 --> 0:39:57.920
<v Speaker 1>with Jason. But I think once I got fired, I

0:39:58.120 --> 0:40:00.759
<v Speaker 1>was angry for a little while and thought, why didn't

0:40:00.760 --> 0:40:05.080
<v Speaker 1>anybody defend me? Why didn't anybody understand what I was

0:40:05.160 --> 0:40:08.000
<v Speaker 1>going through between my dad and my husband? But then

0:40:08.440 --> 0:40:11.840
<v Speaker 1>later to me it was why weren't you more transparent?

0:40:12.560 --> 0:40:15.719
<v Speaker 1>Why didn't you let people know? And why didn't you

0:40:16.600 --> 0:40:20.040
<v Speaker 1>ask for help? Then again, why didn't anybody sit down

0:40:20.080 --> 0:40:21.640
<v Speaker 1>with me and say, this is what's going to happen.

0:40:21.800 --> 0:40:24.920
<v Speaker 1>You're about to get fired because we're fed up, so

0:40:25.840 --> 0:40:29.239
<v Speaker 1>we're instead of just jumping to hey, let's fire her,

0:40:30.920 --> 0:40:33.840
<v Speaker 1>have a conversation. I also remember Aaron Nuver spoke to

0:40:33.920 --> 0:40:36.560
<v Speaker 1>me never having a conversation, just all of a sudden, Bam,

0:40:36.680 --> 0:40:39.239
<v Speaker 1>your fire, Channet, which is a pretty awful thing to

0:40:39.320 --> 0:40:42.440
<v Speaker 1>do to a person when they're helping support a family

0:40:42.520 --> 0:40:46.880
<v Speaker 1>as well, so it messes with your livelihood. However, I

0:40:47.040 --> 0:40:51.319
<v Speaker 1>definitely look back at that time and think, all right,

0:40:52.200 --> 0:40:55.279
<v Speaker 1>I can live with what happened. That's fine. I get it.

0:40:55.520 --> 0:40:58.600
<v Speaker 1>I one hundred percent get it. I also think that

0:40:58.719 --> 0:41:01.680
<v Speaker 1>for some of you, not all of you, but for

0:41:01.840 --> 0:41:05.040
<v Speaker 1>some of you, particularly you, because we had known each

0:41:05.040 --> 0:41:09.800
<v Speaker 1>other before and we were clothes, how must have been hard.

0:41:10.400 --> 0:41:15.319
<v Speaker 2>Oh that was that. I I'll never forget that phone call.

0:41:15.600 --> 0:41:18.960
<v Speaker 2>Like we were all sitting in Paul's office and Aaron

0:41:19.120 --> 0:41:21.759
<v Speaker 2>was on speakerphone and everybody was going around the room

0:41:21.840 --> 0:41:25.800
<v Speaker 2>and talking about it, and I remember I was just like,

0:41:25.960 --> 0:41:28.200
<v Speaker 2>not in agreement with anybody else in the room. And

0:41:28.239 --> 0:41:31.400
<v Speaker 2>that was one of the That was one of the

0:41:31.560 --> 0:41:35.480
<v Speaker 2>only times early on that like I really because I

0:41:35.640 --> 0:41:38.480
<v Speaker 2>tried to be as agreeable as possible and like not

0:41:39.080 --> 0:41:41.800
<v Speaker 2>rock the boat and kind of be friendly with everyone

0:41:41.960 --> 0:41:44.439
<v Speaker 2>and do all that, but that was one of those

0:41:44.640 --> 0:41:49.680
<v Speaker 2>Like I remember when the conversation came up and they

0:41:49.719 --> 0:41:52.960
<v Speaker 2>were they were talking about you not being there, and

0:41:53.120 --> 0:41:55.880
<v Speaker 2>I was just like, I don't I don't agree with

0:41:56.080 --> 0:41:58.120
<v Speaker 2>any of you that are in this room, So I'm

0:41:58.160 --> 0:42:01.320
<v Speaker 2>just gonna sit in my spot because I was so

0:42:01.440 --> 0:42:03.320
<v Speaker 2>fucking out numbered. It's there, was there was, it was

0:42:03.360 --> 0:42:08.719
<v Speaker 2>the entire cast. Paul was there, Betty was there, there,

0:42:08.800 --> 0:42:12.480
<v Speaker 2>it was. It was a pretty sizable fucking room. And

0:42:12.719 --> 0:42:16.080
<v Speaker 2>everyone was like at that point, really playing the thing

0:42:16.120 --> 0:42:18.439
<v Speaker 2>of like, oh, yeah, no, you know, it's just really

0:42:19.600 --> 0:42:21.440
<v Speaker 2>it's tough. She's getting a lot of bad press, and

0:42:21.520 --> 0:42:23.799
<v Speaker 2>it's probably best for us if you know, if she's

0:42:23.880 --> 0:42:29.520
<v Speaker 2>not here in that and I I didn't agree, not

0:42:29.680 --> 0:42:32.480
<v Speaker 2>only because I have known you so long, but because

0:42:33.200 --> 0:42:35.200
<v Speaker 2>fucking ninety percent of that press, I was with you,

0:42:36.480 --> 0:42:37.120
<v Speaker 2>like it was.

0:42:37.680 --> 0:42:40.560
<v Speaker 4>I was right by your side, and so was our

0:42:40.600 --> 0:42:45.000
<v Speaker 4>producer's daughter right totally, so was Toy. Yeah, and we

0:42:45.760 --> 0:42:48.040
<v Speaker 4>if I was late, she was late because we drove

0:42:48.120 --> 0:42:49.120
<v Speaker 4>to work together all the time.

0:42:49.560 --> 0:42:52.120
<v Speaker 2>I always used to say to people in interviews and stuff,

0:42:52.840 --> 0:42:56.840
<v Speaker 2>the common question was like, you know, uh, how's everything

0:42:56.880 --> 0:42:59.000
<v Speaker 2>going with Shannon. You know, she can be such a bitch,

0:43:00.040 --> 0:43:04.719
<v Speaker 2>And always I was like, I do not understand. That

0:43:04.880 --> 0:43:09.600
<v Speaker 2>was the first like real example to me of sexism

0:43:09.840 --> 0:43:12.680
<v Speaker 2>within the business because I and I used to say

0:43:12.719 --> 0:43:14.320
<v Speaker 2>this to people all the time. I would say, you know,

0:43:14.480 --> 0:43:18.879
<v Speaker 2>if if a guy was acting like Shannon. He would

0:43:18.920 --> 0:43:22.440
<v Speaker 2>be incredibly decisive with what he wants to do, you know,

0:43:22.640 --> 0:43:25.000
<v Speaker 2>very proud of his work, very you know, up to

0:43:25.120 --> 0:43:27.279
<v Speaker 2>fight for himself. And but like and he would just

0:43:27.360 --> 0:43:33.120
<v Speaker 2>be hailed as this incredible professional on set. I was like,

0:43:33.239 --> 0:43:37.560
<v Speaker 2>but because it's a woman doing it, you label her

0:43:37.680 --> 0:43:39.680
<v Speaker 2>right away as a bitch. I was like, I don't,

0:43:39.760 --> 0:43:43.040
<v Speaker 2>I don't get it. I've I've always said to people,

0:43:43.400 --> 0:43:50.759
<v Speaker 2>you are an incredible example of someone that is has

0:43:50.960 --> 0:43:54.680
<v Speaker 2>always been incredibly kind, always to everyone. I've seen you

0:43:54.760 --> 0:43:57.960
<v Speaker 2>around everybody. But at the same time, you're very good

0:43:58.000 --> 0:44:03.360
<v Speaker 2>at balancing being kind with being sure of who you

0:44:03.520 --> 0:44:05.520
<v Speaker 2>are and what you want and what is okay and

0:44:05.640 --> 0:44:09.400
<v Speaker 2>what is not. And you will fight to the death

0:44:09.719 --> 0:44:14.240
<v Speaker 2>for people, and you are like, you are very strong

0:44:14.640 --> 0:44:16.880
<v Speaker 2>that way, and it's it's an amazing quality because not

0:44:16.920 --> 0:44:19.640
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people have that. They either sort of

0:44:19.960 --> 0:44:22.560
<v Speaker 2>succumb to everything and they just like bend over and

0:44:23.000 --> 0:44:25.719
<v Speaker 2>they just take what, you know, whatever it's supposed to

0:44:25.719 --> 0:44:28.760
<v Speaker 2>have and they go yes, sir, no sure, or somebody

0:44:28.920 --> 0:44:31.920
<v Speaker 2>is just an asshole to everybody and is selfish and

0:44:32.239 --> 0:44:35.800
<v Speaker 2>nobody wants to fucking work with them. You somehow have

0:44:35.920 --> 0:44:40.399
<v Speaker 2>found a fucking middle ground. That is so admirable. It's

0:44:40.520 --> 0:44:43.920
<v Speaker 2>so And I've watched you do it your entire career.

0:44:44.000 --> 0:44:45.880
<v Speaker 2>You did it on nineo two and oh, I've watched

0:44:45.920 --> 0:44:48.440
<v Speaker 2>you do it uncharmed. I've watched like I've watched you

0:44:48.600 --> 0:44:50.480
<v Speaker 2>do it in your relationships. I've watched you do it

0:44:50.560 --> 0:44:55.759
<v Speaker 2>with people around you. I to this day, I don't

0:44:55.840 --> 0:44:59.160
<v Speaker 2>run into people that ever have a bad thing to

0:44:59.200 --> 0:44:59.719
<v Speaker 2>say about you.

0:45:00.760 --> 0:45:00.920
<v Speaker 4>Ever.

0:45:02.239 --> 0:45:03.920
<v Speaker 2>Nobody ever, like, oh I had a run in with

0:45:04.000 --> 0:45:06.080
<v Speaker 2>her and she was really mean, or she was really distant,

0:45:06.160 --> 0:45:08.799
<v Speaker 2>or she was really strange. Nothing ever.

0:45:08.960 --> 0:45:10.719
<v Speaker 1>You know, there's no guest stars from nine to two

0:45:10.840 --> 0:45:12.840
<v Speaker 1>zero or charm that could say that they weren't allowed

0:45:12.840 --> 0:45:14.440
<v Speaker 1>to look me in the eyes or speak to me

0:45:16.040 --> 0:45:19.440
<v Speaker 1>that was not me. No, that I definitely was not

0:45:19.600 --> 0:45:22.360
<v Speaker 1>that person. All right, Brian, there is just way too

0:45:22.440 --> 0:45:25.120
<v Speaker 1>much to fit all into one episode to hold that thought.

0:45:25.160 --> 0:45:27.360
<v Speaker 1>And let's continue in a bonus episode