Speaker 1: This is Let's Be Clear with Shannon Doherty. All right,
Speaker 1: welcome to Let's be Clear. I am Shannon Doherty. Today
Speaker 1: I have on I'm not even gonna say former co star.
Speaker 1: I'm going to say my favorite co star from nine
Speaker 1: o two to zero Brian Austin Green. Hi, Hi, what's up?
Speaker 1: Bag Chillan.
Speaker 2: It's so funny to be here because literally, what was
Speaker 2: it like four days ago? I put on Instagram? I
Speaker 2: was like, hey, you know, listeners, name some people that
Speaker 2: you would love to see, and then you hit me
Speaker 2: up and right away it was like, okay, let's do this,
Speaker 2: and then all and all of a sudden, here we are.
Speaker 2: It's crazy how fast that can happen?
Speaker 1: Do you like that? I answer like the questions that
Speaker 1: you put on for your fans on Instagram, and I'm
Speaker 1: like me.
Speaker 2: Because I loved to the list and it's like there's nothing.
Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden, I have this big
Speaker 2: blue check thing and it's like get the fight, of course,
Speaker 2: and the way you wrote it, like all you wrote
Speaker 2: was me. I was like, that's totally yeah.
Speaker 1: I was like, why are we not doing this already?
Speaker 1: Like this is weird.
Speaker 2: I've been pitching the concept of this For a while,
Speaker 2: it just hasn't had all the stars haven't aligned on it.
Speaker 1: Well they aligned today because.
Speaker 2: You made them align. Because you're a gangster that way,
Speaker 2: don't get things done.
Speaker 1: Thanks. I like that. I feel like I haven't been
Speaker 1: a gangster since you and I were at the Roxbury.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, all the Roxberry was so good. That
Speaker 2: was so good.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: What was that woman's what was that girl's name that
Speaker 2: that tried fighting with you? I remember that night because
Speaker 2: I remember, out of fucking nowhere, I was right next
Speaker 2: to you and literally we were walking past the table
Speaker 2: and she stood up and leaned over her table and
Speaker 2: hit you and then tried saying that you started to fight.
Speaker 2: I remember. I so remember that whole night because it
Speaker 2: just didn't make any sense. I've never seen anything like it.
Speaker 2: There's no rhyme or reason for any of it. And
Speaker 2: then the fact that she was just trying to claim
Speaker 2: that it was you is I you know what. I
Speaker 2: hope at some point she reaches out and she goes, Hey,
Speaker 2: it's me. I'm sorry for all that that went on.
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not going to hold my breath for that.
Speaker 1: I was about to say that I was about to
Speaker 1: be like, I'm definitely not holding my breath.
Speaker 2: But that would be amazing if it happened.
Speaker 1: Were you impressed though, that I did not go down
Speaker 1: because she hit me hard. She hit you hard. She
Speaker 1: like that was like closed fists punch right in my shape.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I did not go down, And I literally
Speaker 2: like changed visualize, Yeah you did, but you went right
Speaker 2: back over to the table. We got all the people
Speaker 2: did the police came home. But I was like, I
Speaker 2: remember where the booth, well, I remember the whole thing.
Speaker 2: It's like one of those I don't have vivid memories,
Speaker 2: but that is what like I because it was remember that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then it was in the press that like
Speaker 1: I got arrested because she decided she was pressing charges
Speaker 1: again me, and I was like, dude, I didn't do anything,
Speaker 1: so I'm pressing charges against you. Like I would just
Speaker 1: have let it go and been like, all right, you're crazy.
Speaker 1: And maybe it was a dare. I didn't know, but
Speaker 1: I just know there was no reason for it whatsoever.
Speaker 1: I had not encountered her in the club, ID not
Speaker 1: even looked her way. I had no issues with anybody
Speaker 1: at their table.
Speaker 2: I'm still assuming she just wanted to press from it
Speaker 2: because at that point the show.
Speaker 1: Was she sued me. She wanted money. Oh that's right, yeah,
Speaker 1: she wanted money. Wait, I was they questioned me about
Speaker 1: all that. Yeah, yeah, you had to do a depo
Speaker 1: or something. You know what's crazy for?
Speaker 2: Uh, for as harmless as they claim marijuana to be,
Speaker 2: there were a lot of things. I don't.
Speaker 1: That's hysterical. But those were minus that incident, those were
Speaker 1: some fun times. It was good often you me, Tory
Speaker 1: Marky Mark. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, there's that like infamous picture
Speaker 2: of us thinking we were smart, you know, flipping off
Speaker 2: the two photographers down on the street through the window,
Speaker 2: thinking oh it's mirrored, they can't see and it's like
Speaker 2: a crystal clear shot.
Speaker 1: Were still clear shot, and nobody warned us that that
Speaker 1: those windows were not mirrored and that you could see
Speaker 1: right in.
Speaker 2: How about the fact they'll thank god paparazzi didn't exist
Speaker 2: at that point. There were the two photographers.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 1: There was Roger, who was the nice one, right, and
Speaker 1: then there was Woody. You know, there was like four
Speaker 1: or five others because they always chased me.
Speaker 2: They okay, they didn't chase me, you look better than me.
Speaker 1: Fine, No, I just gave them more stuff to photograph.
Speaker 2: But like the fact that we could go out to
Speaker 2: places and walk out and they would still be like, hey,
Speaker 2: do you mind if we get a shot? Like they
Speaker 2: were still there was still that level of normalcy, it seemed,
Speaker 2: compared to like when I went through paparazzi stuff with
Speaker 2: Meghan and it was like just fucking bananas. It was mayhem.
Speaker 1: It was like, I remember, it's so different, Like it
Speaker 1: wasn't thirty guys, but it was enough, and they were
Speaker 1: not nice. I remember Roger, one of my closest friends
Speaker 1: at that time. They would yell the most hateful stuff
Speaker 1: in the world to him just to get a reaction
Speaker 1: from him.
Speaker 2: Hoping that though that this would happen, because I see.
Speaker 1: It was always at One and the Brent Boat House,
Speaker 1: like seventies club I did.
Speaker 2: I did Roxbury mainly and then bar One. I mean
Speaker 2: I would get there early because we were promoting there
Speaker 2: doing that whole thing. So I had like I had
Speaker 2: great like back door avoid everyone access seeing your clubs.
Speaker 2: It's the only reason, it's literally the only reason I
Speaker 2: threw clubs.
Speaker 1: Was old were you when you were wearing clubs.
Speaker 2: Seventeenth right, I celebrated my nineteenth birthday at Bar One.
Speaker 1: How crazy is that? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Bar One? Who was it? That was a part owner,
Speaker 2: Vince Vince Neil was a part owner at that time.
Speaker 2: He used to park his Lamborghini right out front. I
Speaker 2: remember that.
Speaker 1: I just remember the doorman. Like the first thing I
Speaker 1: was told was if you want to get into Bar One,
Speaker 1: mention his Bruno Magli shoes. Really, I had no idea
Speaker 1: what kind of shoes those were, but I did it
Speaker 1: and I got in. I don't know if it was
Speaker 1: the shoes or because it was on nine O two
Speaker 1: and zero, but I didn't want to assume I would be,
Speaker 1: you know, let right in, so I talked about his shoes.
Speaker 2: We were. We were on Sunset during like day day
Speaker 2: of sunset. It felt like like with all the all
Speaker 2: like all the big clubs were open and that like
Speaker 2: nightlife was on Sunset Boulevard. It doesn't seem like that's
Speaker 2: so much the case now. It seems like everything is
Speaker 2: branched out a little bit. But the sunset was like.
Speaker 1: Room. Do you remember the Rainbow Room?
Speaker 4: Was that?
Speaker 3: Not?
Speaker 1: That was like during my rocker days?
Speaker 2: No, no, no, that was uh Nick. Nick Adler ran
Speaker 2: the Rainbow Room and the Roxy New Adler's son who
Speaker 2: I hung out with all the time. So we used
Speaker 2: to go to the Rainbow Room because we could get
Speaker 2: free food there. So so we'd go with Nick and
Speaker 2: we there was a booth in the kitchen, so we
Speaker 2: would sit in the kitchen and order food and it
Speaker 2: was all it was all covered that And then his
Speaker 2: dad also owned La Salsa on pH where the where
Speaker 2: the statue is still of the guy holding the platter.
Speaker 2: That's yeah, La Salsa. So we used to go there
Speaker 2: because Nick had his dad had like a guest house
Speaker 2: with a racquetball court and basketball court in it, and
Speaker 2: Nick lived there and it was right at the top
Speaker 2: of the hill, like on the opposite side of Pch.
Speaker 2: So we would come down the hill, go to the Salsa,
Speaker 2: eat for free, go back. It was the greatest.
Speaker 1: Nobody was feeding me for free.
Speaker 2: Aaron, No, Aaron Spelling wasn't feeding you for free. I
Speaker 2: was just gonna make a joke. No, he wasn't, he was. No.
Speaker 1: There were moments, yeah, I mean they had an amazing cook.
Speaker 1: I remember her. She was fantastic and she would know
Speaker 1: at Spelling's house and she would make me food whenever
Speaker 1: I was there.
Speaker 2: You come over. Yeah, it was like the White House,
Speaker 2: like you could just request anything.
Speaker 1: Pretty much, Yeah, pretty much. What was her name? Nan?
Speaker 1: I think she was awesome. So yeah, when I was
Speaker 1: at the Rainbow Room, I think I was hanging out
Speaker 1: with Guns and Roses type people.
Speaker 2: Like Eddie Veteran stuff, right, weren't you. No, it wasn't
Speaker 2: around that time.
Speaker 1: No, it was more like Slash and those guys, not
Speaker 1: that I really knew them, and not that they would
Speaker 1: even remember me.
Speaker 2: Oh I'm sure they would remember you.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 2: I always do the same thing. I always like like
Speaker 2: discredit myself and I'm like, oh, so and so doesn't remember,
Speaker 2: And then you see and they're like, of course we
Speaker 2: fucking remember you, like you crazy? You were like you
Speaker 2: were on the biggest show on television. You were damn
Speaker 2: the star of the biggest show on television. Yes, so
Speaker 2: were you, but you were you were Brenda Walsh. That
Speaker 2: show was about Brandon and Brenda moving to Beverly Hills,
Speaker 2: so totally different situations. So I would assume that everyone
Speaker 2: that ever crossed your path, especially during that time, absolutely
Speaker 2: remembers it knows what they were wearing where it was.
Speaker 1: We should give ourselves more credit for we should. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, So the next time then I see somebody
Speaker 1: I know, I will you should be like, it's fucking me, bitch,
Speaker 1: let's go right. Instead, I like drift off to a
Speaker 1: wall somewhere and become a flower. Yeah yeah, and say
Speaker 1: to myself, they will never remember meeting me. And it's
Speaker 1: far too humiliating to go up and say, hey, do
Speaker 1: you remember I met you? Blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: For them to look at me with that confused look
Speaker 1: on their face.
Speaker 2: You know, it's really funny, you know. When I did that,
Speaker 2: it's like somber fucking up for a second. But when
Speaker 2: we were at Luke's wake at that house and Quentin
Speaker 2: Tarantino was there because they had just shot Once upon
Speaker 2: a Time in Hollywood, and I had met Quinn at
Speaker 2: the Golden Globes a few years before with Megan, and
Speaker 2: he was so kind. He was like, oh, I loved
Speaker 2: you in this movie, like he was great. And I
Speaker 2: saw him at the thing and I didn't say hello
Speaker 2: to him because I was like, there's no way he'd
Speaker 2: remember me.
Speaker 1: I had to say hi to him because I was intimidated.
Speaker 2: Well I was intimidated, but also I was like, there's
Speaker 2: no of course he.
Speaker 1: Would remember you. Of course he would remember you. Well
Speaker 1: that's what I just said to you. So but he
Speaker 1: came up to you and made a point of saying,
Speaker 1: you know, I loved you in that movie. And was
Speaker 1: he referring to Domino Domino. Yeah, also one of my
Speaker 1: favorite movies, and you were hysterical in it. I loved
Speaker 1: you in that movie so much. And again, just good movie.
Speaker 1: I've seen that movie. I don't even know how many times.
Speaker 1: Tony Scott was one of my all time favorite directors.
Speaker 2: That's a huge Tony saw. I'm that way with Man
Speaker 2: on Fire.
Speaker 1: Okay, I've seen Man on Fire thirty five times.
Speaker 2: No matter at what point it is in that movie.
Speaker 2: If I walk through the room and it's on, I'll
Speaker 2: stop and watch the rest of it. I don't care
Speaker 2: where it is. It's that movie to me was like
Speaker 2: perfectly crafted. Yeah, perfect blend of what Tony shot, what
Speaker 2: he painted with the camera, what Denzel did, like they
Speaker 2: were just the on all cylinders. It was amazing.
Speaker 1: Yes, I love that was amazing. Yeah, So all right,
Speaker 1: let's go to nine oh two and zero for a
Speaker 1: minute here, it's going to be longer than a minute,
Speaker 1: and you know it. Okay, what was that because you
Speaker 1: were pretty much the youngest. I think maybe Doug was
Speaker 1: was Doug younger than you might have been. Doug might
Speaker 1: have been one year younger than you, maybe think a year. No,
Speaker 1: I think it was like maybe less than like my months.
Speaker 1: So you guys were the youngest. You stayed on Doug
Speaker 1: did not, so by proxy, you were the youngest. What
Speaker 1: was that like for you being the youngest? I know
Speaker 1: for me, there were some people that were probably what
Speaker 1: late twenties or early thirties, and they sort of had
Speaker 1: their shit together already because they had already gone through
Speaker 1: their twenties and their teens, and we were going through
Speaker 1: it with the attention of nine to two one zero
Speaker 1: on us, right, And I would have benefited from some
Speaker 1: of that maturity for sure, But you also, I don't
Speaker 1: think could expect a complete level of maturity out of
Speaker 1: for me an eighteen nineteen year old and you even younger.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean it's I think the reality is
Speaker 2: the experiences that we had being the ages that we
Speaker 2: were and not being as together as we as we
Speaker 2: would have wanted to be helped create the people that
Speaker 2: we are now all the crazy stuff that we went through,
Speaker 2: So we were absolutely supposed to be in that situation
Speaker 2: at that maturity level. It sucked for me being younger
Speaker 2: only because like, everybody was great when we were on
Speaker 2: set and we were working, everybody was great. It was
Speaker 2: really like an even kind of playing field, and we
Speaker 2: all had fun and we all joked around and we
Speaker 2: did that. But like when the guys went on a
Speaker 2: trip to Germany, I think it was at one point,
Speaker 2: and I was too young, so was Ian and Jason
Speaker 2: and Luke that went and I hadn't even heard about
Speaker 2: it because I know they were like, he can't even
Speaker 2: fucking travel on his own, like what you know. So
Speaker 2: so I would notice those age differences in things like that,
Speaker 2: in going to certain events and going to bars for
Speaker 2: a thing and going to stuff.
Speaker 1: I wasn't necessarily.
Speaker 2: Included in those things, but not because they didn't want
Speaker 2: me around, but because literally I couldn't have been around legally.
Speaker 1: Could Yeah, legally I was too young.
Speaker 2: So I think that's why Tory and I connected as
Speaker 2: much as we did, because she was about the same age.
Speaker 2: She's I think she's only like a month older than me.
Speaker 2: So we had a lot of the same things in common.
Speaker 2: We were in the same grades in school, we had
Speaker 2: the same things coming up up.
Speaker 1: Plus you had me in common. Let's be real, you
Speaker 1: had meet in common.
Speaker 2: We did.
Speaker 1: No, you had a lot in common, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: Sure, and I we had met each other and been friends,
Speaker 2: like it seems like ten years before that. I mean
Speaker 2: we were young when we met. You were still doing
Speaker 2: I think you were still doing a little House on
Speaker 2: the Prairie before you even started doing Our House with Chad.
Speaker 2: I think we met. Yeah, I think it was like you.
Speaker 1: Were those like weird Hollywood kids parties, the.
Speaker 2: Fucking the Alfi soda pop parties.
Speaker 1: They were fun.
Speaker 2: Alfie parties were interesting because it was, like I always
Speaker 2: tell people, during that time, for me my experience in Hollywood,
Speaker 2: there were only like fifteen to twenty actors young actors,
Speaker 2: so we all kind of knew each other, and we
Speaker 2: all went to the same things because we were too
Speaker 2: young to go to the clubs and go to the stuff.
Speaker 2: And you know, Johnny Depp and all them were in
Speaker 2: kind of the next grade level compared to compared to
Speaker 2: what we were doing. So I loved those Alfie soda
Speaker 2: pop parties. They were amazing. I like, I'll never forget them.
Speaker 2: The New York Seltzer used to sponsor them, and I
Speaker 2: remember it was like in ballrooms at hotels, and it
Speaker 2: was I just felt so cool going to those because
Speaker 2: I was young. I I hadn't even gone to my
Speaker 2: first club until I was with David Faustino and there
Speaker 2: was a club on like Hollywood Boulevard that we went to,
Speaker 2: and I remember I was like, oh my god, I'm
Speaker 2: in a club, Like this is the craziest thing ever.
Speaker 2: I felt like such a cool guy, you know, at
Speaker 2: like sixteen years old, to be like.
Speaker 1: At that point in time, because she had.
Speaker 2: Choices something horrible. I'm sure. I yeah. I So I
Speaker 2: dressed better in life than I did once nine or
Speaker 2: two when I was because so much of the David
Speaker 2: Silver wardrobe was so fucking terrible. But it was almost
Speaker 2: like a joke, like we would I remember going in
Speaker 2: and we would go through fabric, like schools of fabric.
Speaker 2: I'd go, ooh, let's try and make some pants out
Speaker 2: of that. But god, I had some of the worst
Speaker 2: fucking wardrobe ever. Truly, some of the w Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was really used to.
Speaker 2: Call me Awning Boy because I had a shirt that
Speaker 2: was the same as the Beach Club awning that we
Speaker 2: out from the stage.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you would come to set dressed in your wardrobe,
Speaker 1: and I remember the boys would kind of rib you
Speaker 1: a little bit, and the girls look at you and
Speaker 1: be like myself it bro yeah everyone and be like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm so sorry, And I was like, yeah, whatever,
Speaker 1: It's like yeah to get personally, you were like, this
Speaker 1: is cool. I'm doing my own thing. I got a
Speaker 1: look going on for David Silver, but you did you
Speaker 1: really created him as a character, because you did not
Speaker 1: just like that in real life. Otherwise I need to
Speaker 1: hang out with you. Do you remember your auditioning process
Speaker 1: for not at all?
Speaker 2: What was I It was at Aaron's office, I was
Speaker 2: I remember I was friends with Doug, so we went
Speaker 2: in and did a chemistry read together. I only went
Speaker 2: in like two or three times because David Silver was
Speaker 2: a much smaller character at that point, and I think
Speaker 2: I was one of the first people cast on the show.
Speaker 1: Really, did you have to go to network and read
Speaker 1: for the thirty executive?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: Never, what I read an Aaron's office and they were like, cool,
Speaker 2: you're in. I was like, hey, right on. And so
Speaker 2: then I remember going to the Fox lot and I
Speaker 2: saw like Gabrielle and her like a little red convertible
Speaker 2: like she had booked it. When in, we said hi
Speaker 2: to each other at the gate, and I had to
Speaker 2: go in and read with other actors auditioning for Steve
Speaker 2: and I was late, of course, so Ian was like,
Speaker 2: never let me live down the fact that he was
Speaker 2: supposed to read with me and I wasn't there yet. Yeah,
Speaker 2: had read with someone else, but yeah, I didn't have to.
Speaker 2: Thank god, I didn't have to go through all those
Speaker 2: like jump through all the crazy network hoops.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it was intense, you know, back then, I
Speaker 1: mean Jason and I spoke about it because there was
Speaker 1: something like thirty it felt like thirty executives in the room.
Speaker 1: It might have only have been twenty, and it felt
Speaker 1: so daunting and very.
Speaker 2: Bunch of network tests. I never did for an on Tozer.
Speaker 2: But that's the worst because they usually hold them in
Speaker 2: like the screening room, theater room on their lot, in
Speaker 2: their offices, and it's you with whatever actor you're reading with,
Speaker 2: and then there's like thirty people sitting in an audience
Speaker 2: just completely silent. Yeah, and you're supposed to put on
Speaker 2: your best performance for them, and they shuffle you in.
Speaker 2: You go down, you do the scene, you're like okay
Speaker 2: by everyone, and then they shuffle you out. They shuffle
Speaker 2: the next person in, So it's this weird like cattle
Speaker 2: call thing.
Speaker 1: Well, and if you're lucky, you get to read with
Speaker 1: another actor. Most of the time, almost all of my
Speaker 1: network stuff, I think I read opposite a casting director
Speaker 1: and then they would ask you to wait and they
Speaker 1: would narrow it down and then bring you in with
Speaker 1: the other number one choice. So it's like if I'm
Speaker 1: the number one Brenda so far in Jason's number one brand,
Speaker 1: and then we would read together, right, which is even
Speaker 1: worse because then you're doing it twice.
Speaker 2: But then they would read each of you with other
Speaker 2: actors and all of that stuff. Yeah. Yeah, the whole
Speaker 2: chemistry aspect of it is so tough. I did that
Speaker 2: for Freddy. I had to do a network test, which
Speaker 2: was super daunting, But luckily Freddie is so cool and
Speaker 2: he was on stage like he was the one that
Speaker 2: I read with for everything.
Speaker 1: I forgot what I for call it that you worked
Speaker 1: with Freddie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, we did it. We did a fulld
Speaker 2: That's how. That's how I became really good friends with him.
Speaker 2: And Sarah was Sarah used to Sarah was fucking great.
Speaker 2: She would come to set. Uh every week we would
Speaker 2: have our tape our tape day, and she would come
Speaker 2: and bring like and banandas and like, she would be
Speaker 2: out at the craft service table, like setting stuff.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 2: She was amazing and she was there every single week,
Speaker 2: and Freddy was amazing. And I had so much fun
Speaker 2: on that because that was the first time that I
Speaker 2: had done like a sitcom comedy, and every audition for
Speaker 2: a comedy that I had had leading up to that,
Speaker 2: I always got the same note by manager and agent,
Speaker 2: like was he sick? Does he like? Does he not
Speaker 2: like the script?
Speaker 1: Was that?
Speaker 2: Like? I always got the worst, the worst notes of
Speaker 2: like oh he just seemed like he didn't want to
Speaker 2: be there. He seemed like, you know, his dog died,
Speaker 2: Like it was just worse. I was like, maybe I
Speaker 2: should maybe I shouldn't be doing comedies. And then I
Speaker 2: went in for that one and Bruce Helford, the guy
Speaker 2: that was doing it, I had gone in and met
Speaker 2: with him on a show that he was going to
Speaker 2: do with Johnny Gilecki, and he really got like the
Speaker 2: humor that I was doing, and it was just in
Speaker 2: the room with him. I didn't go to network test,
Speaker 2: the show never went that far. So then when when
Speaker 2: they brought me in for Freddie, it was the same
Speaker 2: kind of thing, Like I had a really good rapport
Speaker 2: with him. Freddie's fucking great. So it was like that
Speaker 2: was the first time where I'd done a comedy and
Speaker 2: I really realized like, oh shit, like I'm funny, Like
Speaker 2: I can do this, Like I figured out what an
Speaker 2: audience would react to him, what they wouldn't, and like
Speaker 2: just the biggest confidence booster in the world for me.
Speaker 2: So I went from that, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: everybody at all the different networks, they're like, oh, Brian's
Speaker 2: really funny. But it's like I'm doing the same fucking
Speaker 2: thing I've been doing for the past like fifteen years.
Speaker 2: You guys all thought I sucked. There's nothing has changed.
Speaker 1: You all thought that my dog.
Speaker 2: Died every told me my dog died every week. Apparently,
Speaker 2: you know, the only difference is that I now am
Speaker 2: working for a guy that fucking believes in me. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and so he gives me a shot to like do
Speaker 2: me Like he would write stuff. But then if I
Speaker 2: went off page or went off book and improved a
Speaker 2: little bit, he was he would just fucking keep it rolling.
Speaker 2: He was great that way. And then I ended up
Speaker 2: working with him a few other times. I did Anger
Speaker 2: Management with him. That was he did that show with
Speaker 2: Charlie Sheen. She originally brought me in for the first
Speaker 2: episode to do just one scene to play his current
Speaker 2: girlfriend's ex husband. So I had a whole scene like
Speaker 2: in there, and I just had the one scene and
Speaker 2: I went home and I was like, hey, good luck everybody.
Speaker 2: I'd met Charlie on the Warner Brothers lot. And then
Speaker 2: Bruce called me like six months later and he was like, hey,
Speaker 2: do you want to come back and do like forty
Speaker 2: something more of these? It's like, yeah, fuck, yeah, I do.
Speaker 2: What is that a trick question? Like as an actor
Speaker 2: to get a pick up for forty plus episodes, I'll
Speaker 2: totally do it. But yeah, you know, it's like it's
Speaker 2: until you do something new and people haven't seen you
Speaker 2: in it. Executives in a lot of cases aren't fucking creative.
Speaker 2: They can't see outside of what is on the page
Speaker 2: and whether you fit the image they had in their
Speaker 2: mind or not. I remember watching an interview that Quentin
Speaker 2: Tarantina was doing and he was talking about that when
Speaker 2: he gets on set, he always lets his actors do
Speaker 2: the first couple takes the way they would want to
Speaker 2: do them, because he's like, who, who's going to try
Speaker 2: more shit? And like, go for it more than these
Speaker 2: fucking people that I've hired to play these characters. Then
Speaker 2: you can always tool from there. But executives, a lot
Speaker 2: of executives, I don't want to say all of them,
Speaker 2: but a lot of them don't have that frame of mind.
Speaker 2: They don't have that mind state of like, yeah.
Speaker 1: It's like when you were you were I don't know
Speaker 1: if you were told us all the time, But when
Speaker 1: I was going to audition, I was told to dress
Speaker 1: like the character and do my makeup in my hair
Speaker 1: like the character. And I was saying, well, it's a
Speaker 1: period piece and I'm not going out and renting a costume.
Speaker 2: You're playing a rocker. It's like, I don't listen to
Speaker 2: rock music. I have no like, I don't what do
Speaker 2: you so I'm gonna.
Speaker 1: Go buy shit, right. It just was always weird, and
Speaker 1: I don't really think I ever participated in that. Maybe
Speaker 1: my career would have been better.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but you've had a good, long career
Speaker 3: though I've had a pretty blessed career. I participated in that,
Speaker 3: Like my mom would make me remember when.
Speaker 2: When we were younger. I don't know if you had one,
Speaker 2: but I had a headshot that I had like six
Speaker 2: different on the back, so there was like the main
Speaker 2: shot it like me with glass is looking studious me
Speaker 2: like fixing a bike.
Speaker 3: For me, it was like pass and then address yes,
Speaker 3: giving all the different looks like this is what I
Speaker 3: could do.
Speaker 2: And I never understood that. So I literally like they
Speaker 2: put me in the different clothes and it was like okay,
Speaker 2: so now I'm wearing this like I am I supposed
Speaker 2: to do something different, but the camera like how is
Speaker 2: how does this work? I just want to get paid
Speaker 2: my toys, like I don't you know, I don't I
Speaker 2: don't care about the professional aspect of all of this.
Speaker 2: I just hire me and pay me because I really
Speaker 2: want the money. Like that's that was. That was honestly
Speaker 2: where my head was when I was a kid, I
Speaker 2: had no concept.
Speaker 1: Of what that age is saying to themselves, Oh my
Speaker 1: dream is to be an actor and transform myself into
Speaker 1: other characters, and you're not really saying that at.
Speaker 2: The age of the only reason I even started was
Speaker 2: a kid on the fucking bus with me going to
Speaker 2: elementary school was doing commercials and he always had toys,
Speaker 2: and I was like, that's how do you have enough
Speaker 2: money to have all these toys every time you get
Speaker 2: on the bus, like video games and things. He's like, oh,
Speaker 2: I do commercials, and I was like, sign me up,
Speaker 2: let's do it. I went and met with his agent.
Speaker 2: I met with his agent. I had to read a
Speaker 2: Smucker's commercial and I had to read a scene from
Speaker 2: Little House on the Prairie audition for the agent, and
Speaker 2: the agent was like, yeah, you suck, but you're cute,
Speaker 2: so you know, well, let's give it a shot. And
Speaker 2: I didn't book anything for a year. I did. I
Speaker 2: had to go to acting class, I had to do
Speaker 2: all sorts. I kept you, Yeah, because there were only
Speaker 2: like twelve kids, what choice did they have. It was
Speaker 2: like Fox with nine to two and zero early on, like,
Speaker 2: you know, nobody was watching us, but what were they
Speaker 2: going to fill our fucking space with right?
Speaker 1: Like what you know?
Speaker 2: What? Like?
Speaker 1: What do they do?
Speaker 2: I mean?
Speaker 1: God?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 2: Because if we were on NBC or CBS or any
Speaker 2: of those.
Speaker 1: It might have been a completely different story. We would
Speaker 1: have been canceled, we would have been done after the pilot.
Speaker 1: Right for you, obviously, again we sort of said that
Speaker 1: you were the youngest. Yeah, and along with Tory the
Speaker 1: different things that transpired. But how was that for you
Speaker 1: as a kid and then growing into your age and
Speaker 1: into your character and into your position on the set.
Speaker 1: At what point did you feel that you had matured
Speaker 1: enough or old enough for them to start listening to
Speaker 1: your voice. Was there a moment for you where you
Speaker 1: felt like they listened better?
Speaker 2: Damn it?
Speaker 1: Respect me, not even respect, but just if you had
Speaker 1: a suggestion for your character or you had an opinion
Speaker 1: about something.
Speaker 2: So I had suggestions and opinions early on because we
Speaker 2: had been acting. We'd been doing it for a while,
Speaker 2: you'd been doing it for a while. We met way
Speaker 2: before the show doing it for a while, so like
Speaker 2: we weren't rookies coming into this, you know, it was
Speaker 2: like Wes. So I had ideas early on about David
Speaker 2: Silver and I David Silver, Like there wasn't much direction
Speaker 2: that was given to me early on, Like I was,
Speaker 2: I jumped in and put on the bad wardrobe, into
Speaker 2: the shit and was like let's go, and was all
Speaker 2: about creating a character. So I never I never really
Speaker 2: had that issue, thank god, with Aaron or Paul or
Speaker 2: anybody that was involved. What I had though, was growing
Speaker 2: up on camera doing the show was hard for me
Speaker 2: because as I was getting older, it was the line
Speaker 2: between David and Brian got like fainter and fainter, and
Speaker 2: it was and it was hard at that point. The
Speaker 2: writers would see things I was doing, They'd go, ooh,
Speaker 2: David should be doing that also, and then was like okay, now,
Speaker 2: j right, everything is linked. My music career is fucking
Speaker 2: linked to David. It was like there were you know,
Speaker 2: the dancing and stuff that we were always doing out
Speaker 2: of clubs. I did that at a Rapp party and
Speaker 2: all of a sudden it was like, oh, David dances,
Speaker 2: and then they just like continued to run with it. Understandably,
Speaker 2: I'm not faulting them for it, but as as a
Speaker 2: young guy starting from seventeen to twenty seven, and those
Speaker 2: were like my most formidable years I went through. I
Speaker 2: remember when my album didn't do well. That was the
Speaker 2: first time in my life that I had had to
Speaker 2: deal with failure. Ever nine O two one zero blew
Speaker 2: Up did well acting wise, like once I started booking
Speaker 2: commercials and shit, I just was booking stuff all the time,
Speaker 2: and I was super fucking busy, not slant every I did,
Speaker 2: like seventy five commercials. I remember, I was one of
Speaker 2: the first of our has to buy a house because
Speaker 2: I had money from commercials. I bought a house in
Speaker 2: Burbank when like Jason was in a condo and you've
Speaker 2: bought a house, not either right before you write it
Speaker 2: after it Like you were always really independent, I thought,
Speaker 2: or maybe not, Maybe you were. Maybe you were running
Speaker 2: a brothel just outside of Vegas. That's probably what I
Speaker 2: was really crinute to work every morning. I do. I'll
Speaker 2: never forget though us driving on the four or five.
Speaker 1: I didn't buy a house, I think until it was
Speaker 1: like twenty one or something, twenty one or twenty two.
Speaker 1: I think I bought my first house, and I bought
Speaker 1: it out in Malibu.
Speaker 2: Yeah in Malibu, you didn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I least purchased a house and then ran out
Speaker 1: of money and couldn't afford it.
Speaker 2: That happened Malibu compared to Burbank. I loved him buy.
Speaker 2: I loved that My first house was in Burbank and
Speaker 2: yours is in Malibu. You were like, let me buy
Speaker 2: top of the market, and I was like, let me
Speaker 2: just buy something that I you know, it was.
Speaker 1: One of the only smart things I did back then.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was that was you didn't you haven't been
Speaker 2: in Alabu the whole time.
Speaker 1: No, So I bought it and then I I lived
Speaker 1: there for a little bit and I found the commute
Speaker 1: was really hard, and so I moved my parents in.
Speaker 1: I gave the house to my parents, and I moved
Speaker 1: up to Do you remember my house off of Moholland
Speaker 1: on Sumatra.
Speaker 2: That's what I was just going to say. I remember
Speaker 2: that one and you were in that house when you
Speaker 2: when you were doing charm also you were there for
Speaker 2: a little while.
Speaker 1: No, definitely not. I definitely moved on because that had Yeah,
Speaker 1: I rented a lot of houses, lots of money down
Speaker 1: the drain with the rental thing, but uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I couldn't figure out I wasn't settled obviously, So do you,
Speaker 1: because I recall when tensions started happening on the set,
Speaker 1: and it was always awesome to me that the boys
Speaker 1: got along so well. You guys were always very supportive
Speaker 1: of each other and congratulating each other, and it wasn't
Speaker 1: necessarily the same with the girls.
Speaker 2: And I think let's just say it wasn't the same
Speaker 2: with the girls instead of it wasn't always necessarily the same,
Speaker 2: because that's I feel like you're sugarcoating that situation a
Speaker 2: little bit. That was it got it. I'd like, I
Speaker 2: remember it got really rough and competitive for you all,
Speaker 2: Like it was, Yeah, that was not an easy situation
Speaker 2: to watch, and we used to I remember the guys
Speaker 2: like we used to talk about that. I remember at
Speaker 2: one point when there was a fight out front, and
Speaker 2: I and and I were there, and so we were
Speaker 2: the two that stepped into the kind of the middle
Speaker 2: of it to keep it from escalating.
Speaker 1: It was very hard because I think the expectation that
Speaker 1: was coming my way was that I should not be
Speaker 1: doing as much press as I was doing. And what
Speaker 1: nobody realized is that I didn't actually enjoy taking my
Speaker 1: weekends and going and doing photo shoots and doing publicity.
Speaker 1: But I had a network, and I had producers who
Speaker 1: were telling me I had to.
Speaker 2: Go do it right this Saturday.
Speaker 1: This is what you're doing right, and you say yes,
Speaker 1: even though you were exhausted and you're sort of fed
Speaker 1: up of answering the same questions from multiple people in interviews,
Speaker 1: and even though there are moments where super cool to
Speaker 1: be on the cover of a magazine again like Rolling Stone,
Speaker 1: Jason and I spoke about that, but the rest, all
Speaker 1: the rest, I was like, I was pretty exhausted, and
Speaker 1: I was going through a lot of my own growing up,
Speaker 1: and it just seemed that I was really getting the
Speaker 1: brunt of why is this sh show about Brenda and Brandon?
Speaker 2: And yeah, absolutely were.
Speaker 1: Well because it's about the Washes. I didn't write the
Speaker 1: show right, absolutely, and you know, I didn't cast myself.
Speaker 1: I got cast. I felt from my job right, and
Speaker 1: but it felt very hard. And the and the fight.
Speaker 1: What's really funny about that fight that was between myself
Speaker 1: and Jenny and it started, I don't know if you
Speaker 1: remember why it started. She was doing uh, she was
Speaker 1: calling it pants down Day, where she would pull the
Speaker 1: pants on the on the on some of the crew
Speaker 1: members in a funny way, but some of them were
Speaker 1: getting pretty annoyed with it. And then I reversed it
Speaker 1: and I said skirt up Day. And she always wore
Speaker 1: the men's Calvin Klein boxer shorts under her clothes, so
Speaker 1: I didn't think it was that big of a deal.
Speaker 1: And so I did skirt up Day, and oh my god,
Speaker 1: she lost it on me and I was just not
Speaker 1: in the mood to back down.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there was there was a lot. I mean,
Speaker 2: that was fuck. What was everybody going through personally in
Speaker 2: life at that point, because that was a huge there
Speaker 2: was a huge moment for everyone. And it's like, it's
Speaker 2: like I really now try and take it from an
Speaker 2: angle of trying to understand what was going on because
Speaker 2: I was, we were young, and I was so fucking
Speaker 2: selfish at that point. I was like, what is it,
Speaker 2: you know, trying to figure out how everything had something
Speaker 2: to do with me, and it's like, it's not fucking
Speaker 2: about you.
Speaker 1: Stop it, right.
Speaker 2: I can't imagine what everybody was going through. And I
Speaker 2: talk about this with Tiffany, like, I you know, Tiffany
Speaker 2: came on, Poor fucking Tiffany came on the show. I'd
Speaker 2: never been in a real serious relationship before. I was
Speaker 2: incredibly jealous every time she would fucking have to work
Speaker 2: with anybody else because we'd already been doing the show
Speaker 2: for four years, like this is my family, this is
Speaker 2: you know. I used to bring Tiffany to events so
Speaker 2: she knew everybody from then all of a sudden, she's,
Speaker 2: you know, doing like sex scenes and shit with Pete
Speaker 2: with people that were like my family and my brothers.
Speaker 1: It was, yeah, it's weird.
Speaker 2: So I remember, like I was very uh, I was
Speaker 2: really just fucking jealous and like oysterous and like, didn't
Speaker 2: I made it really hard for Aaron. I made it
Speaker 2: really hard for Chuck Rosen. I made it really hard
Speaker 2: for people because it was like I was trying to
Speaker 2: without making demands, make demands of like, you know, don't
Speaker 2: do this again to me, like this is you don't
Speaker 2: have to do this, let's do you, like, really putting
Speaker 2: fucking pressure on people, And now, looking back on it,
Speaker 2: I can't imagine what that was like for her, right,
Speaker 2: I can't imagine what it was like for her being
Speaker 2: with me for three years at that point and the
Speaker 2: hostage person set and having to do these scenes, but
Speaker 2: then having her fucking boyfriend who she lives with. By
Speaker 2: the way, freaking out the way that I was well like,
Speaker 2: I cannot imagine. That's also just growing pains. I mean, listen,
Speaker 2: there's a difference. We all see each other, we all
Speaker 2: get along.
Speaker 1: Now. I don't have any animosity towards anyone. I'm like you.
Speaker 1: I sort of look and say, we were so young,
Speaker 1: and we were growing up and stretching our wings and
Speaker 1: learning how to use our voice and what that meant,
Speaker 1: and figuring out relationships in real life. And you know,
Speaker 1: I was with an abusive husband for that last season,
Speaker 1: and I had a lot of bad boyfriends. If you
Speaker 1: remember that, I had the worst taste. I still perhaps do. Broken.
Speaker 2: That's all you just need, do You just need to
Speaker 2: have somebody come in and recalibrate your picker.
Speaker 1: I know, I'm just I'm never picking for myself again.
Speaker 1: Somebody else has to do it. But because I'm just terrible.
Speaker 1: I think Rob was probably my absolute best boyfriend I
Speaker 1: ever had, for sure seven years two with him, so
Speaker 1: he was great the rest bye bye. But I think
Speaker 1: I give us more allowance now to forgive ourselves and
Speaker 1: to forgive others for being friggin kids. Working on that
Speaker 1: show and having that amount of publicity and attention and fame,
Speaker 1: and yeah, it's even with Jason when he was on,
Speaker 1: I talked to him about getting fired and what that
Speaker 1: was like and what he must have felt because there
Speaker 1: were only a few people who knew what I was
Speaker 1: going through at the time. And I'm not going to
Speaker 1: rehash it here because they can listen to the podcast
Speaker 1: with Jason. But I think once I got fired, I
Speaker 1: was angry for a little while and thought, why didn't
Speaker 1: anybody defend me? Why didn't anybody understand what I was
Speaker 1: going through between my dad and my husband? But then
Speaker 1: later to me it was why weren't you more transparent?
Speaker 1: Why didn't you let people know? And why didn't you
Speaker 1: ask for help? Then again, why didn't anybody sit down
Speaker 1: with me and say, this is what's going to happen.
Speaker 1: You're about to get fired because we're fed up, so
Speaker 1: we're instead of just jumping to hey, let's fire her,
Speaker 1: have a conversation. I also remember Aaron Nuver spoke to
Speaker 1: me never having a conversation, just all of a sudden, Bam,
Speaker 1: your fire, Channet, which is a pretty awful thing to
Speaker 1: do to a person when they're helping support a family
Speaker 1: as well, so it messes with your livelihood. However, I
Speaker 1: definitely look back at that time and think, all right,
Speaker 1: I can live with what happened. That's fine. I get it.
Speaker 1: I one hundred percent get it. I also think that
Speaker 1: for some of you, not all of you, but for
Speaker 1: some of you, particularly you, because we had known each
Speaker 1: other before and we were clothes, how must have been hard.
Speaker 2: Oh that was that. I I'll never forget that phone call.
Speaker 2: Like we were all sitting in Paul's office and Aaron
Speaker 2: was on speakerphone and everybody was going around the room
Speaker 2: and talking about it, and I remember I was just like,
Speaker 2: not in agreement with anybody else in the room. And
Speaker 2: that was one of the That was one of the
Speaker 2: only times early on that like I really because I
Speaker 2: tried to be as agreeable as possible and like not
Speaker 2: rock the boat and kind of be friendly with everyone
Speaker 2: and do all that, but that was one of those
Speaker 2: Like I remember when the conversation came up and they
Speaker 2: were they were talking about you not being there, and
Speaker 2: I was just like, I don't I don't agree with
Speaker 2: any of you that are in this room, So I'm
Speaker 2: just gonna sit in my spot because I was so
Speaker 2: fucking out numbered. It's there, was there was, it was
Speaker 2: the entire cast. Paul was there, Betty was there, there,
Speaker 2: it was. It was a pretty sizable fucking room. And
Speaker 2: everyone was like at that point, really playing the thing
Speaker 2: of like, oh, yeah, no, you know, it's just really
Speaker 2: it's tough. She's getting a lot of bad press, and
Speaker 2: it's probably best for us if you know, if she's
Speaker 2: not here in that and I I didn't agree, not
Speaker 2: only because I have known you so long, but because
Speaker 2: fucking ninety percent of that press, I was with you,
Speaker 2: like it was.
Speaker 4: I was right by your side, and so was our
Speaker 4: producer's daughter right totally, so was Toy. Yeah, and we
Speaker 4: if I was late, she was late because we drove
Speaker 4: to work together all the time.
Speaker 2: I always used to say to people in interviews and stuff,
Speaker 2: the common question was like, you know, uh, how's everything
Speaker 2: going with Shannon. You know, she can be such a bitch,
Speaker 2: And always I was like, I do not understand. That
Speaker 2: was the first like real example to me of sexism
Speaker 2: within the business because I and I used to say
Speaker 2: this to people all the time. I would say, you know,
Speaker 2: if if a guy was acting like Shannon. He would
Speaker 2: be incredibly decisive with what he wants to do, you know,
Speaker 2: very proud of his work, very you know, up to
Speaker 2: fight for himself. And but like and he would just
Speaker 2: be hailed as this incredible professional on set. I was like,
Speaker 2: but because it's a woman doing it, you label her
Speaker 2: right away as a bitch. I was like, I don't,
Speaker 2: I don't get it. I've I've always said to people,
Speaker 2: you are an incredible example of someone that is has
Speaker 2: always been incredibly kind, always to everyone. I've seen you
Speaker 2: around everybody. But at the same time, you're very good
Speaker 2: at balancing being kind with being sure of who you
Speaker 2: are and what you want and what is okay and
Speaker 2: what is not. And you will fight to the death
Speaker 2: for people, and you are like, you are very strong
Speaker 2: that way, and it's it's an amazing quality because not
Speaker 2: a lot of people have that. They either sort of
Speaker 2: succumb to everything and they just like bend over and
Speaker 2: they just take what, you know, whatever it's supposed to
Speaker 2: have and they go yes, sir, no sure, or somebody
Speaker 2: is just an asshole to everybody and is selfish and
Speaker 2: nobody wants to fucking work with them. You somehow have
Speaker 2: found a fucking middle ground. That is so admirable. It's
Speaker 2: so And I've watched you do it your entire career.
Speaker 2: You did it on nineo two and oh, I've watched
Speaker 2: you do it uncharmed. I've watched like I've watched you
Speaker 2: do it in your relationships. I've watched you do it
Speaker 2: with people around you. I to this day, I don't
Speaker 2: run into people that ever have a bad thing to
Speaker 2: say about you.
Speaker 4: Ever.
Speaker 2: Nobody ever, like, oh I had a run in with
Speaker 2: her and she was really mean, or she was really distant,
Speaker 2: or she was really strange. Nothing ever.
Speaker 1: You know, there's no guest stars from nine to two
Speaker 1: zero or charm that could say that they weren't allowed
Speaker 1: to look me in the eyes or speak to me
Speaker 1: that was not me. No, that I definitely was not
Speaker 1: that person. All right, Brian, there is just way too
Speaker 1: much to fit all into one episode to hold that thought.
Speaker 1: And let's continue in a bonus episode