1 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 1: This is Let's Be Clear with Shannon Doherty. All right, 2 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 1: welcome to Let's be Clear. I am Shannon Doherty. Today 3 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: I have on I'm not even gonna say former co star. 4 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: I'm going to say my favorite co star from nine 5 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 1: o two to zero Brian Austin Green. Hi, Hi, what's up? 6 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: Bag Chillan. 7 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 2: It's so funny to be here because literally, what was 8 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 2: it like four days ago? I put on Instagram? I 9 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 2: was like, hey, you know, listeners, name some people that 10 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 2: you would love to see, and then you hit me 11 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 2: up and right away it was like, okay, let's do this, 12 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 2: and then all and all of a sudden, here we are. 13 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 2: It's crazy how fast that can happen? 14 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 1: Do you like that? I answer like the questions that 15 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: you put on for your fans on Instagram, and I'm 16 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: like me. 17 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 2: Because I loved to the list and it's like there's nothing. 18 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden, I have this big 19 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 2: blue check thing and it's like get the fight, of course, 20 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 2: and the way you wrote it, like all you wrote 21 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 2: was me. I was like, that's totally yeah. 22 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: I was like, why are we not doing this already? 23 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: Like this is weird. 24 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 2: I've been pitching the concept of this For a while, 25 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 2: it just hasn't had all the stars haven't aligned on it. 26 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: Well they aligned today because. 27 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:16,399 Speaker 2: You made them align. Because you're a gangster that way, 28 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 2: don't get things done. 29 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: Thanks. I like that. I feel like I haven't been 30 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 1: a gangster since you and I were at the Roxbury. 31 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 2: Oh my god, all the Roxberry was so good. That 32 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 2: was so good. 33 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. 34 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:34,040 Speaker 2: What was that woman's what was that girl's name that 35 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:38,199 Speaker 2: that tried fighting with you? I remember that night because 36 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 2: I remember, out of fucking nowhere, I was right next 37 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 2: to you and literally we were walking past the table 38 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 2: and she stood up and leaned over her table and 39 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 2: hit you and then tried saying that you started to fight. 40 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 2: I remember. I so remember that whole night because it 41 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 2: just didn't make any sense. I've never seen anything like it. 42 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 2: There's no rhyme or reason for any of it. And 43 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 2: then the fact that she was just trying to claim 44 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 2: that it was you is I you know what. I 45 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 2: hope at some point she reaches out and she goes, Hey, 46 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 2: it's me. I'm sorry for all that that went on. 47 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not going to hold my breath for that. 48 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: I was about to say that I was about to 49 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: be like, I'm definitely not holding my breath. 50 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:21,239 Speaker 2: But that would be amazing if it happened. 51 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: Were you impressed though, that I did not go down 52 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: because she hit me hard. She hit you hard. She 53 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: like that was like closed fists punch right in my shape. 54 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I did not go down, And I literally 55 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 2: like changed visualize, Yeah you did, but you went right 56 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 2: back over to the table. We got all the people 57 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:45,959 Speaker 2: did the police came home. But I was like, I 58 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:48,639 Speaker 2: remember where the booth, well, I remember the whole thing. 59 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 2: It's like one of those I don't have vivid memories, 60 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 2: but that is what like I because it was remember that. 61 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:56,959 Speaker 1: Yeah. And then it was in the press that like 62 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 1: I got arrested because she decided she was pressing charges 63 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: again me, and I was like, dude, I didn't do anything, 64 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: so I'm pressing charges against you. Like I would just 65 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 1: have let it go and been like, all right, you're crazy. 66 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 1: And maybe it was a dare. I didn't know, but 67 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: I just know there was no reason for it whatsoever. 68 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: I had not encountered her in the club, ID not 69 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: even looked her way. I had no issues with anybody 70 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: at their table. 71 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 2: I'm still assuming she just wanted to press from it 72 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 2: because at that point the show. 73 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: Was she sued me. She wanted money. Oh that's right, yeah, 74 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: she wanted money. Wait, I was they questioned me about 75 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: all that. Yeah, yeah, you had to do a depo 76 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: or something. You know what's crazy for? 77 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 2: Uh, for as harmless as they claim marijuana to be, 78 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 2: there were a lot of things. I don't. 79 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: That's hysterical. But those were minus that incident, those were 80 00:03:56,720 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: some fun times. It was good often you me, Tory 81 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: Marky Mark. Yeah. 82 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, there's that like infamous picture 83 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 2: of us thinking we were smart, you know, flipping off 84 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 2: the two photographers down on the street through the window, 85 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 2: thinking oh it's mirrored, they can't see and it's like 86 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 2: a crystal clear shot. 87 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: Were still clear shot, and nobody warned us that that 88 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: those windows were not mirrored and that you could see 89 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: right in. 90 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 2: How about the fact they'll thank god paparazzi didn't exist 91 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:34,039 Speaker 2: at that point. There were the two photographers. 92 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 3: It was. 93 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: There was Roger, who was the nice one, right, and 94 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: then there was Woody. You know, there was like four 95 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: or five others because they always chased me. 96 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 2: They okay, they didn't chase me, you look better than me. 97 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: Fine, No, I just gave them more stuff to photograph. 98 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 2: But like the fact that we could go out to 99 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 2: places and walk out and they would still be like, hey, 100 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:04,479 Speaker 2: do you mind if we get a shot? Like they 101 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 2: were still there was still that level of normalcy, it seemed, 102 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 2: compared to like when I went through paparazzi stuff with 103 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 2: Meghan and it was like just fucking bananas. It was mayhem. 104 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:21,720 Speaker 1: It was like, I remember, it's so different, Like it 105 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 1: wasn't thirty guys, but it was enough, and they were 106 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: not nice. I remember Roger, one of my closest friends 107 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: at that time. They would yell the most hateful stuff 108 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 1: in the world to him just to get a reaction 109 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: from him. 110 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 2: Hoping that though that this would happen, because I see. 111 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: It was always at One and the Brent Boat House, 112 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,720 Speaker 1: like seventies club I did. 113 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 2: I did Roxbury mainly and then bar One. I mean 114 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 2: I would get there early because we were promoting there 115 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 2: doing that whole thing. So I had like I had 116 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 2: great like back door avoid everyone access seeing your clubs. 117 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 2: It's the only reason, it's literally the only reason I 118 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 2: threw clubs. 119 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: Was old were you when you were wearing clubs. 120 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 2: Seventeenth right, I celebrated my nineteenth birthday at Bar One. 121 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: How crazy is that? Yeah? 122 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:22,559 Speaker 2: Bar One? Who was it? That was a part owner, 123 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,719 Speaker 2: Vince Vince Neil was a part owner at that time. 124 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 2: He used to park his Lamborghini right out front. I 125 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 2: remember that. 126 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 1: I just remember the doorman. Like the first thing I 127 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 1: was told was if you want to get into Bar One, 128 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:40,479 Speaker 1: mention his Bruno Magli shoes. Really, I had no idea 129 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: what kind of shoes those were, but I did it 130 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: and I got in. I don't know if it was 131 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 1: the shoes or because it was on nine O two 132 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: and zero, but I didn't want to assume I would be, 133 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: you know, let right in, so I talked about his shoes. 134 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 2: We were. We were on Sunset during like day day 135 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 2: of sunset. It felt like like with all the all 136 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 2: like all the big clubs were open and that like 137 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 2: nightlife was on Sunset Boulevard. It doesn't seem like that's 138 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 2: so much the case now. It seems like everything is 139 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 2: branched out a little bit. But the sunset was like. 140 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: Room. Do you remember the Rainbow Room? 141 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 4: Was that? 142 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 3: Not? 143 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: That was like during my rocker days? 144 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 2: No, no, no, that was uh Nick. Nick Adler ran 145 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 2: the Rainbow Room and the Roxy New Adler's son who 146 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 2: I hung out with all the time. So we used 147 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 2: to go to the Rainbow Room because we could get 148 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 2: free food there. So so we'd go with Nick and 149 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 2: we there was a booth in the kitchen, so we 150 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 2: would sit in the kitchen and order food and it 151 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 2: was all it was all covered that And then his 152 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 2: dad also owned La Salsa on pH where the where 153 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 2: the statue is still of the guy holding the platter. 154 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 2: That's yeah, La Salsa. So we used to go there 155 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 2: because Nick had his dad had like a guest house 156 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 2: with a racquetball court and basketball court in it, and 157 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 2: Nick lived there and it was right at the top 158 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 2: of the hill, like on the opposite side of Pch. 159 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 2: So we would come down the hill, go to the Salsa, 160 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 2: eat for free, go back. It was the greatest. 161 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: Nobody was feeding me for free. 162 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 2: Aaron, No, Aaron Spelling wasn't feeding you for free. I 163 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 2: was just gonna make a joke. No, he wasn't, he was. No. 164 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 1: There were moments, yeah, I mean they had an amazing cook. 165 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: I remember her. She was fantastic and she would know 166 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: at Spelling's house and she would make me food whenever 167 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: I was there. 168 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 2: You come over. Yeah, it was like the White House, 169 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 2: like you could just request anything. 170 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: Pretty much, Yeah, pretty much. What was her name? Nan? 171 00:08:56,400 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 1: I think she was awesome. So yeah, when I was 172 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: at the Rainbow Room, I think I was hanging out 173 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: with Guns and Roses type people. 174 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 2: Like Eddie Veteran stuff, right, weren't you. No, it wasn't 175 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 2: around that time. 176 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:12,439 Speaker 1: No, it was more like Slash and those guys, not 177 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 1: that I really knew them, and not that they would 178 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:15,319 Speaker 1: even remember me. 179 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 2: Oh I'm sure they would remember you. 180 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 4: I don't. 181 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 2: I always do the same thing. I always like like 182 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 2: discredit myself and I'm like, oh, so and so doesn't remember, 183 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 2: And then you see and they're like, of course we 184 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 2: fucking remember you, like you crazy? You were like you 185 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 2: were on the biggest show on television. You were damn 186 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 2: the star of the biggest show on television. Yes, so 187 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:41,599 Speaker 2: were you, but you were you were Brenda Walsh. That 188 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 2: show was about Brandon and Brenda moving to Beverly Hills, 189 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:50,959 Speaker 2: so totally different situations. So I would assume that everyone 190 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:54,719 Speaker 2: that ever crossed your path, especially during that time, absolutely 191 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 2: remembers it knows what they were wearing where it was. 192 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 1: We should give ourselves more credit for we should. Yeah, 193 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:05,079 Speaker 1: all right, So the next time then I see somebody 194 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 1: I know, I will you should be like, it's fucking me, bitch, 195 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:13,839 Speaker 1: let's go right. Instead, I like drift off to a 196 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 1: wall somewhere and become a flower. Yeah yeah, and say 197 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:22,959 Speaker 1: to myself, they will never remember meeting me. And it's 198 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:26,079 Speaker 1: far too humiliating to go up and say, hey, do 199 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 1: you remember I met you? Blah blah blah. 200 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. 201 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:31,079 Speaker 1: For them to look at me with that confused look 202 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:31,679 Speaker 1: on their face. 203 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 2: You know, it's really funny, you know. When I did that, 204 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 2: it's like somber fucking up for a second. But when 205 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 2: we were at Luke's wake at that house and Quentin 206 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 2: Tarantino was there because they had just shot Once upon 207 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 2: a Time in Hollywood, and I had met Quinn at 208 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 2: the Golden Globes a few years before with Megan, and 209 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 2: he was so kind. He was like, oh, I loved 210 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 2: you in this movie, like he was great. And I 211 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 2: saw him at the thing and I didn't say hello 212 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 2: to him because I was like, there's no way he'd 213 00:10:58,000 --> 00:10:58,439 Speaker 2: remember me. 214 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 1: I had to say hi to him because I was intimidated. 215 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 2: Well I was intimidated, but also I was like, there's 216 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 2: no of course he. 217 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: Would remember you. Of course he would remember you. Well 218 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:13,199 Speaker 1: that's what I just said to you. So but he 219 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: came up to you and made a point of saying, 220 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 1: you know, I loved you in that movie. And was 221 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:23,599 Speaker 1: he referring to Domino Domino. Yeah, also one of my 222 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: favorite movies, and you were hysterical in it. I loved 223 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: you in that movie so much. And again, just good movie. 224 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: I've seen that movie. I don't even know how many times. 225 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 1: Tony Scott was one of my all time favorite directors. 226 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 2: That's a huge Tony saw. I'm that way with Man 227 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 2: on Fire. 228 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 1: Okay, I've seen Man on Fire thirty five times. 229 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:50,439 Speaker 2: No matter at what point it is in that movie. 230 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 2: If I walk through the room and it's on, I'll 231 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 2: stop and watch the rest of it. I don't care 232 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:57,599 Speaker 2: where it is. It's that movie to me was like 233 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:03,599 Speaker 2: perfectly crafted. Yeah, perfect blend of what Tony shot, what 234 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 2: he painted with the camera, what Denzel did, like they 235 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 2: were just the on all cylinders. It was amazing. 236 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 1: Yes, I love that was amazing. Yeah, So all right, 237 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: let's go to nine oh two and zero for a 238 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: minute here, it's going to be longer than a minute, 239 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: and you know it. Okay, what was that because you 240 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:25,719 Speaker 1: were pretty much the youngest. I think maybe Doug was 241 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 1: was Doug younger than you might have been. Doug might 242 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:32,839 Speaker 1: have been one year younger than you, maybe think a year. No, 243 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 1: I think it was like maybe less than like my months. 244 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: So you guys were the youngest. You stayed on Doug 245 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: did not, so by proxy, you were the youngest. What 246 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:46,319 Speaker 1: was that like for you being the youngest? I know 247 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:50,719 Speaker 1: for me, there were some people that were probably what 248 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: late twenties or early thirties, and they sort of had 249 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,719 Speaker 1: their shit together already because they had already gone through 250 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 1: their twenties and their teens, and we were going through 251 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:03,719 Speaker 1: it with the attention of nine to two one zero 252 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: on us, right, And I would have benefited from some 253 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: of that maturity for sure, But you also, I don't 254 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: think could expect a complete level of maturity out of 255 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 1: for me an eighteen nineteen year old and you even younger. 256 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean it's I think the reality is 257 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 2: the experiences that we had being the ages that we 258 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 2: were and not being as together as we as we 259 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 2: would have wanted to be helped create the people that 260 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 2: we are now all the crazy stuff that we went through, 261 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 2: So we were absolutely supposed to be in that situation 262 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 2: at that maturity level. It sucked for me being younger 263 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 2: only because like, everybody was great when we were on 264 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 2: set and we were working, everybody was great. It was 265 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 2: really like an even kind of playing field, and we 266 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:58,959 Speaker 2: all had fun and we all joked around and we 267 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:02,599 Speaker 2: did that. But like when the guys went on a 268 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 2: trip to Germany, I think it was at one point, 269 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 2: and I was too young, so was Ian and Jason 270 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 2: and Luke that went and I hadn't even heard about 271 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 2: it because I know they were like, he can't even 272 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 2: fucking travel on his own, like what you know. So 273 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 2: so I would notice those age differences in things like that, 274 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 2: in going to certain events and going to bars for 275 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 2: a thing and going to stuff. 276 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: I wasn't necessarily. 277 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 2: Included in those things, but not because they didn't want 278 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 2: me around, but because literally I couldn't have been around legally. 279 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: Could Yeah, legally I was too young. 280 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 2: So I think that's why Tory and I connected as 281 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 2: much as we did, because she was about the same age. 282 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 2: She's I think she's only like a month older than me. 283 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 2: So we had a lot of the same things in common. 284 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 2: We were in the same grades in school, we had 285 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 2: the same things coming up up. 286 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: Plus you had me in common. Let's be real, you 287 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: had meet in common. 288 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 2: We did. 289 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: No, you had a lot in common, that's for sure. 290 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 2: Sure, and I we had met each other and been friends, 291 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 2: like it seems like ten years before that. I mean 292 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 2: we were young when we met. You were still doing 293 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 2: I think you were still doing a little House on 294 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 2: the Prairie before you even started doing Our House with Chad. 295 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 2: I think we met. Yeah, I think it was like you. 296 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: Were those like weird Hollywood kids parties, the. 297 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 2: Fucking the Alfi soda pop parties. 298 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: They were fun. 299 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 2: Alfie parties were interesting because it was, like I always 300 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 2: tell people, during that time, for me my experience in Hollywood, 301 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 2: there were only like fifteen to twenty actors young actors, 302 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 2: so we all kind of knew each other, and we 303 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 2: all went to the same things because we were too 304 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 2: young to go to the clubs and go to the stuff. 305 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 2: And you know, Johnny Depp and all them were in 306 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 2: kind of the next grade level compared to compared to 307 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 2: what we were doing. So I loved those Alfie soda 308 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 2: pop parties. They were amazing. I like, I'll never forget them. 309 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 2: The New York Seltzer used to sponsor them, and I 310 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 2: remember it was like in ballrooms at hotels, and it 311 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 2: was I just felt so cool going to those because 312 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 2: I was young. I I hadn't even gone to my 313 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 2: first club until I was with David Faustino and there 314 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 2: was a club on like Hollywood Boulevard that we went to, 315 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 2: and I remember I was like, oh my god, I'm 316 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 2: in a club, Like this is the craziest thing ever. 317 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 2: I felt like such a cool guy, you know, at 318 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 2: like sixteen years old, to be like. 319 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: At that point in time, because she had. 320 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 2: Choices something horrible. I'm sure. I yeah. I So I 321 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 2: dressed better in life than I did once nine or 322 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 2: two when I was because so much of the David 323 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 2: Silver wardrobe was so fucking terrible. But it was almost 324 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 2: like a joke, like we would I remember going in 325 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 2: and we would go through fabric, like schools of fabric. 326 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 2: I'd go, ooh, let's try and make some pants out 327 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:13,439 Speaker 2: of that. But god, I had some of the worst 328 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:17,640 Speaker 2: fucking wardrobe ever. Truly, some of the w Yeah. 329 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:20,199 Speaker 1: It was really used to. 330 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 2: Call me Awning Boy because I had a shirt that 331 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 2: was the same as the Beach Club awning that we 332 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 2: out from the stage. 333 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:32,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, you would come to set dressed in your wardrobe, 334 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: and I remember the boys would kind of rib you 335 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 1: a little bit, and the girls look at you and 336 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 1: be like myself it bro yeah everyone and be like, 337 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm so sorry, And I was like, yeah, whatever, 338 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 1: It's like yeah to get personally, you were like, this 339 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 1: is cool. I'm doing my own thing. I got a 340 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: look going on for David Silver, but you did you 341 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: really created him as a character, because you did not 342 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 1: just like that in real life. Otherwise I need to 343 00:17:56,760 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: hang out with you. Do you remember your auditioning process 344 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: for not at all? 345 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 2: What was I It was at Aaron's office, I was 346 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 2: I remember I was friends with Doug, so we went 347 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 2: in and did a chemistry read together. I only went 348 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 2: in like two or three times because David Silver was 349 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 2: a much smaller character at that point, and I think 350 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 2: I was one of the first people cast on the show. 351 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: Really, did you have to go to network and read 352 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 1: for the thirty executive? 353 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 3: No? 354 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 2: Never, what I read an Aaron's office and they were like, cool, 355 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 2: you're in. I was like, hey, right on. And so 356 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 2: then I remember going to the Fox lot and I 357 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:50,880 Speaker 2: saw like Gabrielle and her like a little red convertible 358 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 2: like she had booked it. When in, we said hi 359 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 2: to each other at the gate, and I had to 360 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 2: go in and read with other actors auditioning for Steve 361 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 2: and I was late, of course, so Ian was like, 362 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 2: never let me live down the fact that he was 363 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 2: supposed to read with me and I wasn't there yet. Yeah, 364 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 2: had read with someone else, but yeah, I didn't have to. 365 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 2: Thank god, I didn't have to go through all those 366 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:18,439 Speaker 2: like jump through all the crazy network hoops. 367 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, because it was intense, you know, back then, I 368 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: mean Jason and I spoke about it because there was 369 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: something like thirty it felt like thirty executives in the room. 370 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: It might have only have been twenty, and it felt 371 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 1: so daunting and very. 372 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 2: Bunch of network tests. I never did for an on Tozer. 373 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 2: But that's the worst because they usually hold them in 374 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 2: like the screening room, theater room on their lot, in 375 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 2: their offices, and it's you with whatever actor you're reading with, 376 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 2: and then there's like thirty people sitting in an audience 377 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 2: just completely silent. Yeah, and you're supposed to put on 378 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 2: your best performance for them, and they shuffle you in. 379 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 2: You go down, you do the scene, you're like okay 380 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 2: by everyone, and then they shuffle you out. They shuffle 381 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 2: the next person in, So it's this weird like cattle 382 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:08,479 Speaker 2: call thing. 383 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: Well, and if you're lucky, you get to read with 384 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 1: another actor. Most of the time, almost all of my 385 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:18,120 Speaker 1: network stuff, I think I read opposite a casting director 386 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:21,919 Speaker 1: and then they would ask you to wait and they 387 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: would narrow it down and then bring you in with 388 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: the other number one choice. So it's like if I'm 389 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 1: the number one Brenda so far in Jason's number one brand, 390 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 1: and then we would read together, right, which is even 391 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 1: worse because then you're doing it twice. 392 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 2: But then they would read each of you with other 393 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 2: actors and all of that stuff. Yeah. Yeah, the whole 394 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 2: chemistry aspect of it is so tough. I did that 395 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 2: for Freddy. I had to do a network test, which 396 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:55,159 Speaker 2: was super daunting, But luckily Freddie is so cool and 397 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,159 Speaker 2: he was on stage like he was the one that 398 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 2: I read with for everything. 399 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:02,360 Speaker 1: I forgot what I for call it that you worked 400 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 1: with Freddie. 401 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, we did it. We did a fulld 402 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,639 Speaker 2: That's how. That's how I became really good friends with him. 403 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 2: And Sarah was Sarah used to Sarah was fucking great. 404 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 2: She would come to set. Uh every week we would 405 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,919 Speaker 2: have our tape our tape day, and she would come 406 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 2: and bring like and banandas and like, she would be 407 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 2: out at the craft service table, like setting stuff. 408 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 1: It was. 409 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 2: She was amazing and she was there every single week, 410 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 2: and Freddy was amazing. And I had so much fun 411 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 2: on that because that was the first time that I 412 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 2: had done like a sitcom comedy, and every audition for 413 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 2: a comedy that I had had leading up to that, 414 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 2: I always got the same note by manager and agent, 415 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 2: like was he sick? Does he like? Does he not 416 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 2: like the script? 417 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: Was that? 418 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 2: Like? I always got the worst, the worst notes of 419 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:56,920 Speaker 2: like oh he just seemed like he didn't want to 420 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 2: be there. He seemed like, you know, his dog died, 421 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 2: Like it was just worse. I was like, maybe I 422 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 2: should maybe I shouldn't be doing comedies. And then I 423 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 2: went in for that one and Bruce Helford, the guy 424 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 2: that was doing it, I had gone in and met 425 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 2: with him on a show that he was going to 426 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 2: do with Johnny Gilecki, and he really got like the 427 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 2: humor that I was doing, and it was just in 428 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 2: the room with him. I didn't go to network test, 429 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 2: the show never went that far. So then when when 430 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 2: they brought me in for Freddie, it was the same 431 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:33,439 Speaker 2: kind of thing, Like I had a really good rapport 432 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 2: with him. Freddie's fucking great. So it was like that 433 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 2: was the first time where I'd done a comedy and 434 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,159 Speaker 2: I really realized like, oh shit, like I'm funny, Like 435 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 2: I can do this, Like I figured out what an 436 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 2: audience would react to him, what they wouldn't, and like 437 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 2: just the biggest confidence booster in the world for me. 438 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:56,439 Speaker 2: So I went from that, and then all of a sudden, 439 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,919 Speaker 2: everybody at all the different networks, they're like, oh, Brian's 440 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 2: really funny. But it's like I'm doing the same fucking 441 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 2: thing I've been doing for the past like fifteen years. 442 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,639 Speaker 2: You guys all thought I sucked. There's nothing has changed. 443 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 1: You all thought that my dog. 444 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 2: Died every told me my dog died every week. Apparently, 445 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 2: you know, the only difference is that I now am 446 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 2: working for a guy that fucking believes in me. Yeah, 447 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 2: and so he gives me a shot to like do 448 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 2: me Like he would write stuff. But then if I 449 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 2: went off page or went off book and improved a 450 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 2: little bit, he was he would just fucking keep it rolling. 451 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 2: He was great that way. And then I ended up 452 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 2: working with him a few other times. I did Anger 453 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 2: Management with him. That was he did that show with 454 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 2: Charlie Sheen. She originally brought me in for the first 455 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 2: episode to do just one scene to play his current 456 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 2: girlfriend's ex husband. So I had a whole scene like 457 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 2: in there, and I just had the one scene and 458 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,159 Speaker 2: I went home and I was like, hey, good luck everybody. 459 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,880 Speaker 2: I'd met Charlie on the Warner Brothers lot. And then 460 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 2: Bruce called me like six months later and he was like, hey, 461 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:03,719 Speaker 2: do you want to come back and do like forty 462 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,920 Speaker 2: something more of these? It's like, yeah, fuck, yeah, I do. 463 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 2: What is that a trick question? Like as an actor 464 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 2: to get a pick up for forty plus episodes, I'll 465 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 2: totally do it. But yeah, you know, it's like it's 466 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 2: until you do something new and people haven't seen you 467 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 2: in it. Executives in a lot of cases aren't fucking creative. 468 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,679 Speaker 2: They can't see outside of what is on the page 469 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:31,640 Speaker 2: and whether you fit the image they had in their 470 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 2: mind or not. I remember watching an interview that Quentin 471 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 2: Tarantina was doing and he was talking about that when 472 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 2: he gets on set, he always lets his actors do 473 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 2: the first couple takes the way they would want to 474 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 2: do them, because he's like, who, who's going to try 475 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 2: more shit? And like, go for it more than these 476 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,959 Speaker 2: fucking people that I've hired to play these characters. Then 477 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 2: you can always tool from there. But executives, a lot 478 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,159 Speaker 2: of executives, I don't want to say all of them, 479 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,400 Speaker 2: but a lot of them don't have that frame of mind. 480 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 2: They don't have that mind state of like, yeah. 481 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: It's like when you were you were I don't know 482 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 1: if you were told us all the time, But when 483 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 1: I was going to audition, I was told to dress 484 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 1: like the character and do my makeup in my hair 485 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 1: like the character. And I was saying, well, it's a 486 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,400 Speaker 1: period piece and I'm not going out and renting a costume. 487 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 2: You're playing a rocker. It's like, I don't listen to 488 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 2: rock music. I have no like, I don't what do 489 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:26,400 Speaker 2: you so I'm gonna. 490 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 1: Go buy shit, right. It just was always weird, and 491 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 1: I don't really think I ever participated in that. Maybe 492 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: my career would have been better. 493 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 3: I don't know, but you've had a good, long career 494 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 3: though I've had a pretty blessed career. I participated in that, 495 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:48,399 Speaker 3: Like my mom would make me remember when. 496 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 2: When we were younger. I don't know if you had one, 497 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,120 Speaker 2: but I had a headshot that I had like six 498 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 2: different on the back, so there was like the main 499 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 2: shot it like me with glass is looking studious me 500 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 2: like fixing a bike. 501 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 3: For me, it was like pass and then address yes, 502 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 3: giving all the different looks like this is what I 503 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 3: could do. 504 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,199 Speaker 2: And I never understood that. So I literally like they 505 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 2: put me in the different clothes and it was like okay, 506 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 2: so now I'm wearing this like I am I supposed 507 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,399 Speaker 2: to do something different, but the camera like how is 508 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:21,920 Speaker 2: how does this work? I just want to get paid 509 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 2: my toys, like I don't you know, I don't I 510 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 2: don't care about the professional aspect of all of this. 511 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 2: I just hire me and pay me because I really 512 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 2: want the money. Like that's that was. That was honestly 513 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 2: where my head was when I was a kid, I 514 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 2: had no concept. 515 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 1: Of what that age is saying to themselves, Oh my 516 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: dream is to be an actor and transform myself into 517 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 1: other characters, and you're not really saying that at. 518 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 2: The age of the only reason I even started was 519 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 2: a kid on the fucking bus with me going to 520 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 2: elementary school was doing commercials and he always had toys, 521 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 2: and I was like, that's how do you have enough 522 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 2: money to have all these toys every time you get 523 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,959 Speaker 2: on the bus, like video games and things. He's like, oh, 524 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 2: I do commercials, and I was like, sign me up, 525 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 2: let's do it. I went and met with his agent. 526 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,639 Speaker 2: I met with his agent. I had to read a 527 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,719 Speaker 2: Smucker's commercial and I had to read a scene from 528 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 2: Little House on the Prairie audition for the agent, and 529 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 2: the agent was like, yeah, you suck, but you're cute, 530 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 2: so you know, well, let's give it a shot. And 531 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 2: I didn't book anything for a year. I did. I 532 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 2: had to go to acting class, I had to do 533 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 2: all sorts. I kept you, Yeah, because there were only 534 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 2: like twelve kids, what choice did they have. It was 535 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 2: like Fox with nine to two and zero early on, like, 536 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 2: you know, nobody was watching us, but what were they 537 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 2: going to fill our fucking space with right? 538 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 1: Like what you know? 539 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:46,680 Speaker 2: What? Like? 540 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 1: What do they do? 541 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:48,239 Speaker 2: I mean? 542 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 1: God? 543 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:49,159 Speaker 4: Right? 544 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 2: Because if we were on NBC or CBS or any 545 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 2: of those. 546 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 1: It might have been a completely different story. We would 547 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 1: have been canceled, we would have been done after the pilot. 548 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 1: Right for you, obviously, again we sort of said that 549 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 1: you were the youngest. Yeah, and along with Tory the 550 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 1: different things that transpired. But how was that for you 551 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: as a kid and then growing into your age and 552 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,880 Speaker 1: into your character and into your position on the set. 553 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 1: At what point did you feel that you had matured 554 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 1: enough or old enough for them to start listening to 555 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 1: your voice. Was there a moment for you where you 556 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 1: felt like they listened better? 557 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 2: Damn it? 558 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 1: Respect me, not even respect, but just if you had 559 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,719 Speaker 1: a suggestion for your character or you had an opinion 560 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 1: about something. 561 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 2: So I had suggestions and opinions early on because we 562 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 2: had been acting. We'd been doing it for a while, 563 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 2: you'd been doing it for a while. We met way 564 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 2: before the show doing it for a while, so like 565 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 2: we weren't rookies coming into this, you know, it was 566 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 2: like Wes. So I had ideas early on about David 567 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 2: Silver and I David Silver, Like there wasn't much direction 568 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 2: that was given to me early on, Like I was, 569 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 2: I jumped in and put on the bad wardrobe, into 570 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,239 Speaker 2: the shit and was like let's go, and was all 571 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 2: about creating a character. So I never I never really 572 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 2: had that issue, thank god, with Aaron or Paul or 573 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 2: anybody that was involved. What I had though, was growing 574 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 2: up on camera doing the show was hard for me 575 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 2: because as I was getting older, it was the line 576 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 2: between David and Brian got like fainter and fainter, and 577 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 2: it was and it was hard at that point. The 578 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 2: writers would see things I was doing, They'd go, ooh, 579 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 2: David should be doing that also, and then was like okay, now, 580 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 2: j right, everything is linked. My music career is fucking 581 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 2: linked to David. It was like there were you know, 582 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 2: the dancing and stuff that we were always doing out 583 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 2: of clubs. I did that at a Rapp party and 584 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 2: all of a sudden it was like, oh, David dances, 585 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 2: and then they just like continued to run with it. Understandably, 586 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 2: I'm not faulting them for it, but as as a 587 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 2: young guy starting from seventeen to twenty seven, and those 588 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 2: were like my most formidable years I went through. I 589 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 2: remember when my album didn't do well. That was the 590 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 2: first time in my life that I had had to 591 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 2: deal with failure. Ever nine O two one zero blew 592 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 2: Up did well acting wise, like once I started booking 593 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 2: commercials and shit, I just was booking stuff all the time, 594 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 2: and I was super fucking busy, not slant every I did, 595 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 2: like seventy five commercials. I remember, I was one of 596 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 2: the first of our has to buy a house because 597 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 2: I had money from commercials. I bought a house in 598 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 2: Burbank when like Jason was in a condo and you've 599 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 2: bought a house, not either right before you write it 600 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 2: after it Like you were always really independent, I thought, 601 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 2: or maybe not, Maybe you were. Maybe you were running 602 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 2: a brothel just outside of Vegas. That's probably what I 603 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 2: was really crinute to work every morning. I do. I'll 604 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 2: never forget though us driving on the four or five. 605 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: I didn't buy a house, I think until it was 606 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 1: like twenty one or something, twenty one or twenty two. 607 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 1: I think I bought my first house, and I bought 608 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 1: it out in Malibu. 609 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 2: Yeah in Malibu, you didn't. 610 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I least purchased a house and then ran out 611 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 1: of money and couldn't afford it. 612 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 2: That happened Malibu compared to Burbank. I loved him buy. 613 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 2: I loved that My first house was in Burbank and 614 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 2: yours is in Malibu. You were like, let me buy 615 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 2: top of the market, and I was like, let me 616 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 2: just buy something that I you know, it was. 617 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 1: One of the only smart things I did back then. 618 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was that was you didn't you haven't been 619 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 2: in Alabu the whole time. 620 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 1: No, So I bought it and then I I lived 621 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 1: there for a little bit and I found the commute 622 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 1: was really hard, and so I moved my parents in. 623 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 1: I gave the house to my parents, and I moved 624 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 1: up to Do you remember my house off of Moholland 625 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 1: on Sumatra. 626 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 2: That's what I was just going to say. I remember 627 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 2: that one and you were in that house when you 628 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 2: when you were doing charm also you were there for 629 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 2: a little while. 630 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 1: No, definitely not. I definitely moved on because that had Yeah, 631 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 1: I rented a lot of houses, lots of money down 632 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 1: the drain with the rental thing, but uh, you know, 633 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 1: I couldn't figure out I wasn't settled obviously, So do you, 634 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 1: because I recall when tensions started happening on the set, 635 00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 1: and it was always awesome to me that the boys 636 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 1: got along so well. You guys were always very supportive 637 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 1: of each other and congratulating each other, and it wasn't 638 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 1: necessarily the same with the girls. 639 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 2: And I think let's just say it wasn't the same 640 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 2: with the girls instead of it wasn't always necessarily the same, 641 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 2: because that's I feel like you're sugarcoating that situation a 642 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 2: little bit. That was it got it. I'd like, I 643 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 2: remember it got really rough and competitive for you all, 644 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 2: Like it was, Yeah, that was not an easy situation 645 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 2: to watch, and we used to I remember the guys 646 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 2: like we used to talk about that. I remember at 647 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 2: one point when there was a fight out front, and 648 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 2: I and and I were there, and so we were 649 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 2: the two that stepped into the kind of the middle 650 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,240 Speaker 2: of it to keep it from escalating. 651 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 1: It was very hard because I think the expectation that 652 00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 1: was coming my way was that I should not be 653 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 1: doing as much press as I was doing. And what 654 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 1: nobody realized is that I didn't actually enjoy taking my 655 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:15,360 Speaker 1: weekends and going and doing photo shoots and doing publicity. 656 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:19,839 Speaker 1: But I had a network, and I had producers who 657 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 1: were telling me I had to. 658 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:22,720 Speaker 2: Go do it right this Saturday. 659 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,719 Speaker 1: This is what you're doing right, and you say yes, 660 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:30,879 Speaker 1: even though you were exhausted and you're sort of fed 661 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 1: up of answering the same questions from multiple people in interviews, 662 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,400 Speaker 1: and even though there are moments where super cool to 663 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 1: be on the cover of a magazine again like Rolling Stone, 664 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,960 Speaker 1: Jason and I spoke about that, but the rest, all 665 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 1: the rest, I was like, I was pretty exhausted, and 666 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 1: I was going through a lot of my own growing up, 667 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:57,400 Speaker 1: and it just seemed that I was really getting the 668 00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 1: brunt of why is this sh show about Brenda and Brandon? 669 00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,280 Speaker 2: And yeah, absolutely were. 670 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:10,440 Speaker 1: Well because it's about the Washes. I didn't write the 671 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:14,880 Speaker 1: show right, absolutely, and you know, I didn't cast myself. 672 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,480 Speaker 1: I got cast. I felt from my job right, and 673 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,080 Speaker 1: but it felt very hard. And the and the fight. 674 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 1: What's really funny about that fight that was between myself 675 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 1: and Jenny and it started, I don't know if you 676 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,840 Speaker 1: remember why it started. She was doing uh, she was 677 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,840 Speaker 1: calling it pants down Day, where she would pull the 678 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,359 Speaker 1: pants on the on the on some of the crew 679 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 1: members in a funny way, but some of them were 680 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,960 Speaker 1: getting pretty annoyed with it. And then I reversed it 681 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:46,479 Speaker 1: and I said skirt up Day. And she always wore 682 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,880 Speaker 1: the men's Calvin Klein boxer shorts under her clothes, so 683 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 1: I didn't think it was that big of a deal. 684 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 1: And so I did skirt up Day, and oh my god, 685 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:02,600 Speaker 1: she lost it on me and I was just not 686 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:03,839 Speaker 1: in the mood to back down. 687 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,319 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there was there was a lot. I mean, 688 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 2: that was fuck. What was everybody going through personally in 689 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:14,880 Speaker 2: life at that point, because that was a huge there 690 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,879 Speaker 2: was a huge moment for everyone. And it's like, it's 691 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:24,640 Speaker 2: like I really now try and take it from an 692 00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:29,439 Speaker 2: angle of trying to understand what was going on because 693 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,280 Speaker 2: I was, we were young, and I was so fucking 694 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,200 Speaker 2: selfish at that point. I was like, what is it, 695 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,239 Speaker 2: you know, trying to figure out how everything had something 696 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:37,680 Speaker 2: to do with me, and it's like, it's not fucking 697 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 2: about you. 698 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 1: Stop it, right. 699 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,480 Speaker 2: I can't imagine what everybody was going through. And I 700 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,320 Speaker 2: talk about this with Tiffany, like, I you know, Tiffany 701 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,839 Speaker 2: came on, Poor fucking Tiffany came on the show. I'd 702 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:54,680 Speaker 2: never been in a real serious relationship before. I was 703 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,560 Speaker 2: incredibly jealous every time she would fucking have to work 704 00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,080 Speaker 2: with anybody else because we'd already been doing the show 705 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,600 Speaker 2: for four years, like this is my family, this is 706 00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,360 Speaker 2: you know. I used to bring Tiffany to events so 707 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,719 Speaker 2: she knew everybody from then all of a sudden, she's, 708 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,319 Speaker 2: you know, doing like sex scenes and shit with Pete 709 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,040 Speaker 2: with people that were like my family and my brothers. 710 00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 1: It was, yeah, it's weird. 711 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,400 Speaker 2: So I remember, like I was very uh, I was 712 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:23,880 Speaker 2: really just fucking jealous and like oysterous and like, didn't 713 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,000 Speaker 2: I made it really hard for Aaron. I made it 714 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,439 Speaker 2: really hard for Chuck Rosen. I made it really hard 715 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,279 Speaker 2: for people because it was like I was trying to 716 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,000 Speaker 2: without making demands, make demands of like, you know, don't 717 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:39,560 Speaker 2: do this again to me, like this is you don't 718 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 2: have to do this, let's do you, like, really putting 719 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:45,400 Speaker 2: fucking pressure on people, And now, looking back on it, 720 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,560 Speaker 2: I can't imagine what that was like for her, right, 721 00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,640 Speaker 2: I can't imagine what it was like for her being 722 00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,160 Speaker 2: with me for three years at that point and the 723 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:57,000 Speaker 2: hostage person set and having to do these scenes, but 724 00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,520 Speaker 2: then having her fucking boyfriend who she lives with. By 725 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 2: the way, freaking out the way that I was well like, 726 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:06,120 Speaker 2: I cannot imagine. That's also just growing pains. I mean, listen, 727 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,200 Speaker 2: there's a difference. We all see each other, we all 728 00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:09,960 Speaker 2: get along. 729 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:15,320 Speaker 1: Now. I don't have any animosity towards anyone. I'm like you. 730 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:19,279 Speaker 1: I sort of look and say, we were so young, 731 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:24,400 Speaker 1: and we were growing up and stretching our wings and 732 00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:26,799 Speaker 1: learning how to use our voice and what that meant, 733 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:32,440 Speaker 1: and figuring out relationships in real life. And you know, 734 00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:36,440 Speaker 1: I was with an abusive husband for that last season, 735 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,800 Speaker 1: and I had a lot of bad boyfriends. If you 736 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:47,080 Speaker 1: remember that, I had the worst taste. I still perhaps do. Broken. 737 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:48,880 Speaker 2: That's all you just need, do You just need to 738 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:50,960 Speaker 2: have somebody come in and recalibrate your picker. 739 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,319 Speaker 1: I know, I'm just I'm never picking for myself again. 740 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,800 Speaker 1: Somebody else has to do it. But because I'm just terrible. 741 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:02,960 Speaker 1: I think Rob was probably my absolute best boyfriend I 742 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,000 Speaker 1: ever had, for sure seven years two with him, so 743 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:11,680 Speaker 1: he was great the rest bye bye. But I think 744 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:18,680 Speaker 1: I give us more allowance now to forgive ourselves and 745 00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:25,560 Speaker 1: to forgive others for being friggin kids. Working on that 746 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:32,000 Speaker 1: show and having that amount of publicity and attention and fame, 747 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,840 Speaker 1: and yeah, it's even with Jason when he was on, 748 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,840 Speaker 1: I talked to him about getting fired and what that 749 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:45,040 Speaker 1: was like and what he must have felt because there 750 00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:48,480 Speaker 1: were only a few people who knew what I was 751 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,640 Speaker 1: going through at the time. And I'm not going to 752 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,280 Speaker 1: rehash it here because they can listen to the podcast 753 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,920 Speaker 1: with Jason. But I think once I got fired, I 754 00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,759 Speaker 1: was angry for a little while and thought, why didn't 755 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:05,080 Speaker 1: anybody defend me? Why didn't anybody understand what I was 756 00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:08,000 Speaker 1: going through between my dad and my husband? But then 757 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,840 Speaker 1: later to me it was why weren't you more transparent? 758 00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,719 Speaker 1: Why didn't you let people know? And why didn't you 759 00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:20,040 Speaker 1: ask for help? Then again, why didn't anybody sit down 760 00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:21,640 Speaker 1: with me and say, this is what's going to happen. 761 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,920 Speaker 1: You're about to get fired because we're fed up, so 762 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,239 Speaker 1: we're instead of just jumping to hey, let's fire her, 763 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,840 Speaker 1: have a conversation. I also remember Aaron Nuver spoke to 764 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,560 Speaker 1: me never having a conversation, just all of a sudden, Bam, 765 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,239 Speaker 1: your fire, Channet, which is a pretty awful thing to 766 00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,440 Speaker 1: do to a person when they're helping support a family 767 00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:46,880 Speaker 1: as well, so it messes with your livelihood. However, I 768 00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:51,319 Speaker 1: definitely look back at that time and think, all right, 769 00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,279 Speaker 1: I can live with what happened. That's fine. I get it. 770 00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,600 Speaker 1: I one hundred percent get it. I also think that 771 00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,680 Speaker 1: for some of you, not all of you, but for 772 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,040 Speaker 1: some of you, particularly you, because we had known each 773 00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:09,800 Speaker 1: other before and we were clothes, how must have been hard. 774 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:15,319 Speaker 2: Oh that was that. I I'll never forget that phone call. 775 00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,960 Speaker 2: Like we were all sitting in Paul's office and Aaron 776 00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,759 Speaker 2: was on speakerphone and everybody was going around the room 777 00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:25,800 Speaker 2: and talking about it, and I remember I was just like, 778 00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,200 Speaker 2: not in agreement with anybody else in the room. And 779 00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,400 Speaker 2: that was one of the That was one of the 780 00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:35,480 Speaker 2: only times early on that like I really because I 781 00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,480 Speaker 2: tried to be as agreeable as possible and like not 782 00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,800 Speaker 2: rock the boat and kind of be friendly with everyone 783 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,439 Speaker 2: and do all that, but that was one of those 784 00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:49,680 Speaker 2: Like I remember when the conversation came up and they 785 00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,960 Speaker 2: were they were talking about you not being there, and 786 00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,880 Speaker 2: I was just like, I don't I don't agree with 787 00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,120 Speaker 2: any of you that are in this room, So I'm 788 00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,320 Speaker 2: just gonna sit in my spot because I was so 789 00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,320 Speaker 2: fucking out numbered. It's there, was there was, it was 790 00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:08,719 Speaker 2: the entire cast. Paul was there, Betty was there, there, 791 00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:12,480 Speaker 2: it was. It was a pretty sizable fucking room. And 792 00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:16,080 Speaker 2: everyone was like at that point, really playing the thing 793 00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,439 Speaker 2: of like, oh, yeah, no, you know, it's just really 794 00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:21,440 Speaker 2: it's tough. She's getting a lot of bad press, and 795 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,799 Speaker 2: it's probably best for us if you know, if she's 796 00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:29,520 Speaker 2: not here in that and I I didn't agree, not 797 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,480 Speaker 2: only because I have known you so long, but because 798 00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,200 Speaker 2: fucking ninety percent of that press, I was with you, 799 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:37,120 Speaker 2: like it was. 800 00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,560 Speaker 4: I was right by your side, and so was our 801 00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:45,000 Speaker 4: producer's daughter right totally, so was Toy. Yeah, and we 802 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,040 Speaker 4: if I was late, she was late because we drove 803 00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:49,120 Speaker 4: to work together all the time. 804 00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,120 Speaker 2: I always used to say to people in interviews and stuff, 805 00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,840 Speaker 2: the common question was like, you know, uh, how's everything 806 00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,000 Speaker 2: going with Shannon. You know, she can be such a bitch, 807 00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:04,719 Speaker 2: And always I was like, I do not understand. That 808 00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:09,600 Speaker 2: was the first like real example to me of sexism 809 00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,680 Speaker 2: within the business because I and I used to say 810 00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:14,320 Speaker 2: this to people all the time. I would say, you know, 811 00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:18,879 Speaker 2: if if a guy was acting like Shannon. He would 812 00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,440 Speaker 2: be incredibly decisive with what he wants to do, you know, 813 00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,000 Speaker 2: very proud of his work, very you know, up to 814 00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,279 Speaker 2: fight for himself. And but like and he would just 815 00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:33,120 Speaker 2: be hailed as this incredible professional on set. I was like, 816 00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:37,560 Speaker 2: but because it's a woman doing it, you label her 817 00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:39,680 Speaker 2: right away as a bitch. I was like, I don't, 818 00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:43,040 Speaker 2: I don't get it. I've I've always said to people, 819 00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:50,759 Speaker 2: you are an incredible example of someone that is has 820 00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:54,680 Speaker 2: always been incredibly kind, always to everyone. I've seen you 821 00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,960 Speaker 2: around everybody. But at the same time, you're very good 822 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:03,360 Speaker 2: at balancing being kind with being sure of who you 823 00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,520 Speaker 2: are and what you want and what is okay and 824 00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:09,400 Speaker 2: what is not. And you will fight to the death 825 00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:14,240 Speaker 2: for people, and you are like, you are very strong 826 00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,880 Speaker 2: that way, and it's it's an amazing quality because not 827 00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,640 Speaker 2: a lot of people have that. They either sort of 828 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,560 Speaker 2: succumb to everything and they just like bend over and 829 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,719 Speaker 2: they just take what, you know, whatever it's supposed to 830 00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,760 Speaker 2: have and they go yes, sir, no sure, or somebody 831 00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,920 Speaker 2: is just an asshole to everybody and is selfish and 832 00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:35,800 Speaker 2: nobody wants to fucking work with them. You somehow have 833 00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:40,399 Speaker 2: found a fucking middle ground. That is so admirable. It's 834 00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,920 Speaker 2: so And I've watched you do it your entire career. 835 00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:45,880 Speaker 2: You did it on nineo two and oh, I've watched 836 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,440 Speaker 2: you do it uncharmed. I've watched like I've watched you 837 00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:50,480 Speaker 2: do it in your relationships. I've watched you do it 838 00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:55,759 Speaker 2: with people around you. I to this day, I don't 839 00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,160 Speaker 2: run into people that ever have a bad thing to 840 00:44:59,200 --> 00:44:59,719 Speaker 2: say about you. 841 00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:00,920 Speaker 4: Ever. 842 00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:03,920 Speaker 2: Nobody ever, like, oh I had a run in with 843 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,080 Speaker 2: her and she was really mean, or she was really distant, 844 00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,799 Speaker 2: or she was really strange. Nothing ever. 845 00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:10,719 Speaker 1: You know, there's no guest stars from nine to two 846 00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:12,840 Speaker 1: zero or charm that could say that they weren't allowed 847 00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:14,440 Speaker 1: to look me in the eyes or speak to me 848 00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:19,440 Speaker 1: that was not me. No, that I definitely was not 849 00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,360 Speaker 1: that person. All right, Brian, there is just way too 850 00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,120 Speaker 1: much to fit all into one episode to hold that thought. 851 00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,360 Speaker 1: And let's continue in a bonus episode