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Speaker 1: Welcome to Crime Round Up. Well, look y'all, right out

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Speaker 1: of the gate. I'm just gonna put a bird under

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace's saddle.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, honey.

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Speaker 3: I hope you don't go where I think you're going.

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Speaker 1: Oh I am, I am going straight there. I cannot wait.

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Speaker 1: I'm just going to float you a question. Nancy Casey

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Speaker 1: Anthony is a victim's advocate.

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Speaker 3: Go you know, Cheryl, with all the people in the

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Speaker 3: world that need our help, a light shine on their case,

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Speaker 3: unsolved homicides, missing people, especially children. You want to talk

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Speaker 3: about top mom, Okay, Brandon. Kelly Anthony had just turned three.

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Speaker 3: Do you remember Caroline when she was three? Yeah? I

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Speaker 3: went there, think about baby Caroline, your little sweetheart. Kelly

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Speaker 3: and I went there many times. I moved to Orlando

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Speaker 3: with the children for the trial. I went many, many

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Speaker 3: times to wear Kelly's body three years old, a little

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Speaker 3: bitty thing, just the sweetest, cutest, those big eyes looking

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Speaker 3: up was bagged in black plastic trash bags from the

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Speaker 3: Anthony home. No question, had thrown into a swampy area

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Speaker 3: about ten houses from the Anthony home. That area covered

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Speaker 3: in trash. It's very woody, and people throw things out

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Speaker 3: there as they go by, trash used tires lick her

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Speaker 3: bottles all full of dirt by now, and that was

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Speaker 3: where she laid. Now wait, see, this is what people

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Speaker 3: don't like to think about. This is what I have

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Speaker 3: to think about. What happened? Then? The skin slid off

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Speaker 3: her arms, All of her soft tissue began to rot.

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Speaker 3: Flies found their way in and began to lay eggs

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Speaker 3: that turned into maggots, and she decomposed minute by minute

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Speaker 3: in that Florida heat. She was found by accident by

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Speaker 3: mister Kronk, who then went under suspension himself for doing

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Speaker 3: the right thing. There is a wake of pain connected

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Speaker 3: to todd Mom that will never end. Why I know

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Speaker 3: its a crime victim, it never ends. Keith's murder affected

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Speaker 3: my life. I couldn't remarry, I couldn't think about it.

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Speaker 3: The thought of it would literally make me sick to

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Speaker 3: my stomach. Therefore I waited till I was much older

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Speaker 3: to have children, and Lucy nearly died because of it.

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Speaker 3: What do you think this is done to George and

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Speaker 3: Cindy nearly destroyed their marriage. Just to think about the

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Speaker 3: worst thing you have ever done, Think about it being

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Speaker 3: brought out on the witness stand. The worst thing. I

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Speaker 3: don't even want to know what it is because I

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Speaker 3: can't think you would ever do anything wrong. So just

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Speaker 3: think about it. That is what he endured. Their life

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Speaker 3: has been destroyed. And now and even Cindy goes on

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Speaker 3: the stand and I believe committed perjury to try and

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Speaker 3: save top Mom. Everybody's having a good old time talking

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Speaker 3: about Top Mom making money off idiots online. This is

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Speaker 3: what the case is really about. It's about Kelly, who

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Speaker 3: murdered Kelly. Prosecutors say tot Mom did. Now a jury

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Speaker 3: said otherwise, and they have gone on to say they

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Speaker 3: regretted it and were haunted by their decisions. But that's

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Speaker 3: a day late and a dollar sure. That moment has passed.

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Speaker 3: Now we are at another moment in time to make

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Speaker 3: a stand. Top Mom says she is a legal advocate.

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Speaker 3: Why she says she's been in the quote legal phils.

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Speaker 3: It's twenty eleven, that's when she was trying for murder.

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Speaker 3: That is her exposure to the legal system. She's left

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Speaker 3: off one man after the next since then. And now

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Speaker 3: I guess she's run out of money. I did notice

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Speaker 3: she had enough money to get her hair straightened that said,

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Speaker 3: moving forward, anybody that pays for that is you know what,

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Speaker 3: as Judge Bellevin Perry said, a sucker is born every day.

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Speaker 3: But I think part of it is like you cannot help,

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Speaker 3: no matter how much you say, You're not usually just

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Speaker 3: gonna speed on by. You do look at the car crash,

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Speaker 3: You look, all right, you glance. I think that's what

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Speaker 3: this is. But sadly this costs money, and that money

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Speaker 3: goes into her pocket. Go get a job, woman, or

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Speaker 3: better yet, go away. Haters are begging, go away.

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Speaker 1: That was beautiful, And I'm going to tell you something

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Speaker 1: you started and made me think of Caroline. Then you

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Speaker 1: move into that description you had me And I tell

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Speaker 1: people all the time when I used to sit in

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Speaker 1: court and watch you, you were the best I've ever seen.

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Speaker 1: You would take that jury, you would make them get connected.

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Speaker 1: They had no choice what you did. Just then, when

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Speaker 1: you made that description you will, you immediately said, but wait,

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Speaker 1: you knew now she's going to tell me more. I

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Speaker 1: don't want to know more, but she's gonna make me.

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Speaker 1: And you do it in such a way that people

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Speaker 1: feel like, now I'm responsible, I need to do something.

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Speaker 1: We are responsible.

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Speaker 3: We were responsible for making a stand about what's right

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Speaker 3: and what's wrong now. She also issued a dire warning

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Speaker 3: she's watching out for oral slender and uh live on slender.

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Speaker 3: No one can ever say anything slanderous, but I can

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Speaker 3: say anger. A prosecutor charged her with Kelly's murder and

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Speaker 3: brought on a mountain of evidence to prove it. I

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Speaker 2: It ain't slammered if it's true.

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Speaker 3: Well, the truth is a complete defense, that's for sure.

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Speaker 3: That is for sure, miss Thing. Now, can we talk

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Speaker 3: about something we can actually affect? Because there are gonna

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Speaker 3: be people wack of doodles. What man is attracted to

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Speaker 3: top Mom Casey anying? Because I tell you what, I

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Speaker 3: think I'd see Kegel extending right behind hers as bearing

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Speaker 3: at me. You know no, I mean, oh that's a

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Speaker 3: bucket of cold water. But you know what, whatever, go

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Speaker 3: don't care. I'd just be mad if you didn't. So

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Speaker 3: can we talk about something that we that's happening now,

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Speaker 3: that maybe somehow we can affect Coburger I near bringing

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Speaker 3: up top mon first, by the way, you little weirdo el.

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Speaker 1: But I've had five four hundred and thirty seven people

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Speaker 1: text me going, please o't cry round up.

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Speaker 2: Get that out of the gate.

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Speaker 1: I want to hear Nancy well, baby, y'all got her,

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Speaker 1: and y'all heard some of the best right off the cuff.

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Speaker 1: So you know, here's the thing about Coburger now that

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Speaker 1: fascinates me. His attorney is saying, I don't want this

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Speaker 1: particular DNA to come in.

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Speaker 3: Oh I'm so happy because if they don't want it,

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Speaker 3: that means I do want it.

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Speaker 2: A men, I don't even know what it is.

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Speaker 3: I mean, as soon as the defenses stand up and say,

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Speaker 3: I'm said them like, I'm against it, what is it?

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Speaker 2: I want two of it?

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Speaker 1: I agree under the victims singer nail there's three different

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Speaker 1: DNA samples from three different people, and the defense doesn't

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Speaker 1: want that coming in. Explain to people why they wouldn't

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Speaker 1: that that would be one of those things. It seems

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Speaker 1: like they would say, Hey, that prooves there was a

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Speaker 1: bunch of people there that night, it's not Coburger.

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Speaker 3: Well, first of all, you're absolutely right if the defense

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Speaker 3: wants to suppressed, I want an end and frankly, there's

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Speaker 3: not a legal basis to keep it out. If it

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Speaker 3: it comes in. So the only way, the only objection

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Speaker 3: the weakest objection. And I'll tell you why. When a

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Speaker 3: case goes up on appeal, if the defense has not

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Speaker 3: made an objection at the time of the trial, they

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Speaker 3: have not quote perfected the record. So if I sit

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Speaker 3: there and let evidets pour in as the defense attorney

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Speaker 3: and I don't object, you can't then on appeal go, hey,

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Speaker 3: that Aviden shouldn't have come in. No, it doesn't work

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Speaker 3: have to object at the time. Even if you're overruled,

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Speaker 3: you must object or else you've not preserved the record.

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Speaker 3: So what I'm saying is on appeal, if the objection,

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Speaker 3: the only objection is irrelevant, that is not a typically

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Speaker 3: a ground for reversal. So the only objection I see here,

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Speaker 3: since it is part of the crime scene, there's no objections.

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Speaker 3: Let's pretend there's a pink hat sitting in the corner.

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Speaker 3: There's no reason to keep out the photo of the

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Speaker 3: pink hat. Is it relevant? No, but you there's no

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Speaker 3: grounds to keep it out right, see what I mean.

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Speaker 3: So there's DNA at the scene. What is your grounds

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Speaker 3: for keeping it out? It's part of the investigation. It's

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Speaker 3: under the fingernails we believe of Mattie Mogan that night,

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Speaker 3: Maddie and Kelley Gold's office, we think slept in the

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Speaker 3: same bin. And you're such a DNA expert yourself, Cheryl,

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Speaker 3: that you know, just even touching Kelly, or hugging or

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Speaker 3: Deny or putting her hair in a pilony tailer, anything

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Speaker 3: could have left DNA under Maddie's fingernail. It could have

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Speaker 3: been when she reached out and got something at a

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Speaker 3: she came in contact with, write anything. So there's really

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Speaker 3: no telling who the DNA belongs to. I am very curious.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it could be killing Goosavis's DNA, but I'm

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Speaker 3: very curious if it's just not enough DNA to get

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Speaker 3: I mean, it could be anything, but I'm just wondering

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Speaker 3: if they sent, how they sent the DNA, if there's

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Speaker 3: enough of it to a specialty boutique DNA lab like

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Speaker 3: you know, authoring maybe and you and I have met,

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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, She's not only beautiful, she's brilliant. The

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Speaker 3: there's a man and a woman that run it. They're married,

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Speaker 3: and that woman she is amazing. I'm gonna thank you.

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Speaker 3: We're naming just two second starts with.

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Speaker 2: An Emson mother Christian Middleman.

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Speaker 3: That's it. That's it. She just crackles with intelligence. I

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Speaker 3: guess listen to her all day long. Anyway. Their boutique

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Speaker 3: lab specialty is degraded DNA in small amounts of DNA.

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Speaker 3: What is degreeed DNA? Degraded DNA is when DNA has

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Speaker 3: been mixed with other DNA. Let's just say the DNA

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Speaker 3: been mixed with other people's DNA, is compromised, is old.

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Speaker 3: It's just very small amount of it. It could be

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Speaker 3: any problem with the DNA. I'm just wondering if the

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Speaker 3: DNA has been sent to a boutique DNA lab, and

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Speaker 3: if not, they should, Yeah, said, will'll delay the trial

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Speaker 3: some more, but really it's in all to injury. We've

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Speaker 3: already been delayed for years, So I would try it.

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Speaker 3: If it hasn't already been done, absolutely try it. Maybe

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Speaker 3: a stab in the dark. Okay, that's not a good example.

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Speaker 3: It may be a long shot let me say that

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Speaker 3: at getting a result, but I would at least try it.

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Speaker 3: So you've got the DNA under Matty's fingernails. They don't

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Speaker 3: want an end because they believe that the defense, even

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Speaker 3: though it's inconclusive, that a jury will believe that Mattie

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Speaker 3: scratched somebody and just didn't get a good match and

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Speaker 3: just wasn't enough to get a match, and that it's coburger.

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Speaker 3: I'm guessing that's why they don't lay the implication of

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Speaker 3: DNA under Maddie's fingernails. The truth is we all have

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Speaker 3: DNA under our fingernails right now. I just cleaned about

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Speaker 3: three pounds of squash because my mom and the twinsle

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Speaker 3: with squash onions. You know what, when I touched that

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Speaker 3: I have under my fingernails. And if it was explained

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Speaker 3: like that to the jury, it might be different. But

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Speaker 3: I don't know how Anne Taylor the defense is with

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Speaker 3: her openings and closings to a jury, you know, because

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Speaker 3: some lawyers just irritate the hay out of you. When

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Speaker 3: turn off the TV. You just tune now. So I

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Speaker 3: don't know how she is in front of a jury.

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Speaker 3: We'll see. Also in the last hours, the texts between

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Speaker 3: the roommates, they surviving roommates have emerged a show that

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Speaker 3: the roommates were terrified that night they knew something was

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Speaker 1: Oh my love, oh lord, we what they just this unbelievable,

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Speaker 3: I see now I wish I hadn't asked that question. Now,

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 1: What?

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Speaker 3: Oh, dear lord, Okay, it's awesome. Lucy has been out

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Speaker 3: fuck you're saying just come to my room, run run

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Speaker 3: and I think you know, people have really attacked Dylan

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Speaker 3: In addition to these text messages, this just threw me

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Speaker 2: Well, they've also thrown in that he's autistic.

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Speaker 3: Yes, after nearly thirty years, suddenly the defense has diagnosed

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Speaker 3: teaching criminality. He knew right from wrong, so that's not

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Speaker 1: And you know, Nancy, when they're throwing everything at it,

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Speaker 2: Deal with all of this every day. Every day they

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Speaker 3: And I guess this is just one horror show after

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Speaker 1: Let me tell you when your own attorney is trying

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Speaker 3: I remember, sure. I don't know if you saw this

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Speaker 3: whenever I could, I would walk over to that side

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Speaker 2: Look so the jury could get a really good look

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, two times, good.

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Speaker 2: Times, honey. Well what you doing this weekend?

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Speaker 3: Let's see, Well, I'm taking the children on spring break.

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Speaker 2: Oh wonderful.

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Speaker 3: I'm just really looking forward to just having some time

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Speaker 3: and they're not under the gun studying, and they're in

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Speaker 3: that means rigor Mortons, And I'm like, what they mean.

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Speaker 3: It's really hard. I mean, don't say rigor around somebody

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Speaker 3: But they were really hard. They study all the time,

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Speaker 3: I know, Well, was you the very first job? Real job?

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Speaker 1: No, My very first real job was it riches at

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Speaker 3: Oh, I'm so jealous. My first job, and I was

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Speaker 3: I don't even know what I'm looking for anymore? What

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Speaker 3: like so and so scrub, like sorry, you're just gonna

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Speaker 3: have to help yourself. Wasn't we talking about now my

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Speaker 3: favorite spot, the candy shop? Of course, yes, I did it.

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Speaker 3: I admit I ate the profits I brought that. Let

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Speaker 3: me eat it.

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Speaker 1: I have thown you more than thirty five years. I've

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Speaker 1: never heard that story before.

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Speaker 3: They finally put me in junior fashions, where I basically

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Speaker 3: just folded up, closed after people. And you know what,

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Speaker 3: I never leave dressing room messy. I thank the Lord

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Speaker 3: every day, you know, just I start every prayer with

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Speaker 3: faiki because it's bigger and better than I could have

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Speaker 3: ever dreamed. David hadn't crapped out on me, yet it's

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Speaker 3: still here. I nearly let him to the other night

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Speaker 3: because I cooked, and I mean cook. I wish he'd

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Speaker 3: have been here. I made homemade salmon patties, fresh squash onions.

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Speaker 3: As I told you, the maid mashed potatoes. And what

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Speaker 3: was the other thing, Oh yes, fresh shad green beans.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because.

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Speaker 3: My mother loves them. All he has to do is

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Speaker 3: clean up after. And what did I find the next morning?

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Speaker 3: Gouie junk all over the counter. I'm like, you do

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Speaker 3: know you're clean up and clothed surfaces, right, you understand

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Speaker 3: the surfaces. I don't want to put my elbow in something.

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Speaker 3: Sticky said that, but then I felt sorry for him,

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Speaker 3: so I didn't.

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Speaker 2: A little mercy.

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Speaker 1: We are both in a situation we don't deserve, either

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Speaker 1: one of us.

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Speaker 2: We both have men we don't deserve, and children we

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Speaker 2: don't deserve it. You know what, I'm gonna take it,

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Speaker 2: and I'm gonna enjoy everything of it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna keep faking it and let them think

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Speaker 3: I'm a great mom and think I'm all that. Let

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Speaker 3: David think he got the prize. Okay, I have to

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Speaker 3: go fight crime. Okay, I don't have time to talk

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Speaker 3: about naked babies afraid of the dark anymore.

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Speaker 2: You have a great time, y. I'll be safe, Okay.

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Speaker 3: I'll be in touch with you, you know, I'll be sending pictures.

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Speaker 3: I love you.

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Speaker 2: I love you too, baby,