Speaker 1: Forever. Look man, oh, I see you? Why why and
Speaker 1: look over there? How is that culture? Yes? Goodness, let's
Speaker 1: call Ding Dong, let's call jest is calling, And I
Speaker 1: guess our guest today just heard that there was another
Speaker 1: three time guests that had to swoop in and become
Speaker 1: the first four time guests. You know, our guests will
Speaker 1: always be breaking boundaries, making history. You know, he's the
Speaker 1: first person to start at NBC sitcom premiering this fall, yes,
Speaker 1: actually tomorrow tomorrow. It's premiering tomorrow, which is September nineteen,
Speaker 1: the year of our Lord. I mean, he's the first
Speaker 1: person to start on a show. What is what are
Speaker 1: you doing? Are you? Are you mocking? You know I
Speaker 1: was somebody making a light job. No, no, no, okay,
Speaker 1: take all the humor out of this right now. I'm
Speaker 1: very proud. Thank you take all the humor out of it.
Speaker 1: And that's my job is to take all the humor
Speaker 1: out of it. So I so thank you for meeting
Speaker 1: me at my level. I would say that you, out
Speaker 1: of the two of us, do bring the gravitas, well,
Speaker 1: not the not the lack of humor. I've been listening
Speaker 1: back to episodes and I'm like I'm avain. No, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that I that that that I've been vain,
Speaker 1: But it's vain of me to listen back to all episodes.
Speaker 1: But I've been listening to episodes, and your findings have
Speaker 1: been I cannot make it through a cohesive sentence, a
Speaker 1: coherent sense. I couldn't even do that. I said cohesive
Speaker 1: instead of coherent. I'm stupid, bitch. First of all, you
Speaker 1: and I both know and all the listeners know that
Speaker 1: you absolutely know the difference between cohesive and coherent. Just then,
Speaker 1: when I was mid sentence, I did not know, and
Speaker 1: I had to backtrack and correct myself. Oh it was terrible.
Speaker 1: I was so embarrassed. You don't enjoy listening to yourself back.
Speaker 1: It's just I really have to brace myself. And I'm like, God,
Speaker 1: I sometimes sometimes the questions I'll ask trail off. I'm
Speaker 1: really trying to get into this, get to this place
Speaker 1: of true self self critical stuff, you know, And I
Speaker 1: can see I can't even it's early, but we're recording early.
Speaker 1: This is right, And I just want to say that
Speaker 1: it's one of the great thrills of my life to
Speaker 1: listen back to myself on this podcast and I'm so
Speaker 1: proud I think everything that I say and everything that
Speaker 1: I do. I'm just like, I'm so to be honest myself.
Speaker 1: You're being sarcastic, but you should be listened back to you.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I was like, Oh, Matt, Thank God for Matt.
Speaker 1: Matt is truly like hitting all the right marks conversationally.
Speaker 1: You know, Well, that's kind of you to say. I
Speaker 1: feel that I'd be nothing without you. Bitch. Uh, we
Speaker 1: can we do? We can? I'm sorry? Can we talk
Speaker 1: about how early it is? Yeah, it's I am which
Speaker 1: it's early. Can I say something? It's early because we're
Speaker 1: New York trash but in Los Angeles, which is I know,
Speaker 1: a boring topic. People will be up at seven thirty
Speaker 1: eight eight. Things like that, fully, things like that, things
Speaker 1: like that, the coquettish slug. Did you want to comment
Speaker 1: on my outfit? Matt Rodgers is currently wearing the vintage
Speaker 1: first edition limited edition that we do have plenty of.
Speaker 1: There's about a thousand shirts of this kind sitting on
Speaker 1: the shelf and Forever Dog New York, but you are
Speaker 1: wearing the original I don't think so, honey shirt. You
Speaker 1: know we should do with those shirts? Get a T
Speaker 1: shirt cannon and shoot them at people. That's what I
Speaker 1: want to do. Oh, but then that makes them feel
Speaker 1: too disposable. I disagree. I think I think that, well,
Speaker 1: they are disposable look at them, I know, but I'm saying,
Speaker 1: like one day that will be a collector's item for
Speaker 1: four people. You think they'll be like Spice Girls dolls.
Speaker 1: They'll be like Princess Diana beanie babies, although at the
Speaker 1: time they were. The Princess Diana beanie babies were always
Speaker 1: always Here's a question, luxury, what can you actually sell
Speaker 1: the Princess Princess Dianna Bani babies for now anything thousands
Speaker 1: of dollars? Thousands? Well, then I'm sitting on a thousands
Speaker 1: of dollars because guests, who owns a Princess DIABEI baby,
Speaker 1: the one with the Irish shamrock? You is that what
Speaker 1: you um? And well, I do have one, and I
Speaker 1: have the I have the white one with the shamrock,
Speaker 1: I have the peace bear. I have the Princess Diana baby.
Speaker 1: Peace Bear feels so you could piece bear everyone has.
Speaker 1: But I'm speaking of someone who whose parents we're like
Speaker 1: my sister name begged to buy beanie babies as kids,
Speaker 1: and my parents were like, what the fuck? No little
Speaker 1: animals stuffed animals to put on your I think we
Speaker 1: went to an open house once when we were when
Speaker 1: we were trying to find a house in America. We
Speaker 1: went into one and this kid had a room that
Speaker 1: was literally hundreds of beanie babies on their bed and okay,
Speaker 1: oh got it. So we went into your bedroom. But
Speaker 1: Yang and I were like, this is the this is amazing.
Speaker 1: We want this. And my parents were like, just saw
Speaker 1: this pile of small stuffed animals and they were like,
Speaker 1: absolutely not. That is not what your life is going
Speaker 1: to be. Like. Well, I was allowed to have many
Speaker 1: hundreds of meanie babies and had many hundreds of beanie babies,
Speaker 1: and I were you allowed to have like Pokemon Ship
Speaker 1: was a lot to have Pokemon Ship. We have Barbie dolls. Um,
Speaker 1: Barbie dolls not that many, Yang, I mean only Yang
Speaker 1: could buy them. I couldn't ask for them. Um. But
Speaker 1: right of course we talked about the Aladdin Barbie doll.
Speaker 1: Right of course, just a true sexual awakening and young age,
Speaker 1: can I ask you do you know? Here's a quiz
Speaker 1: for you before we bring our guests what was at
Speaker 1: the time, what were they saying was going to be
Speaker 1: the in sync doll to accumulate the most value of
Speaker 1: five in sync Barbie dolls. They said one of them
Speaker 1: would accumulate the most value. And that was the hardest
Speaker 1: one to get quote unquote, it was I think it's
Speaker 1: either your lance er j C. It was Lance Lance
Speaker 1: and which spicecrawl? Was it posh? It was Jerry? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: that makes sense, Union Jack Dress. Yes. And of course
Speaker 1: then there you go, iconic, iconic, speaking of iconic, speaking
Speaker 1: of iconic history, making boundary breaking, you know, first four
Speaker 1: time guest, and honestly, who else would it have been?
Speaker 1: Truly no one else, Truly no one else. This is
Speaker 1: because no one else would have the audacity to say
Speaker 1: I'm going to be the first four time guests. And
Speaker 1: it's that kind of audacity that shakes up the industry
Speaker 1: and changes lives. You know, we just spent a gorgeous
Speaker 1: few days with this person on Fire Island. Let's we
Speaker 1: we gotta bring him into this conversation to recap. We're
Speaker 1: not going to do any recapping off the top by ourselves, no,
Speaker 1: but we should say one of the stars of NBC's
Speaker 1: upcoming show Sunnyside Thursdays and NBCNBC. He just finished we're
Speaker 1: recording this in August, early August. He just finished taping
Speaker 1: a stand up our very sick boy and God. He
Speaker 1: truly is a judy, historic prehistoric judy, historic prehistoric judy. Everyone,
Speaker 1: please welcome into your ears, the iconic, sexually viable, the fertile, um,
Speaker 1: the um, the standing. Joe came boister. I gotta tell
Speaker 1: you I have nothing um right off the top, I
Speaker 1: have nothing interesting to say. I was watching over here
Speaker 1: and I said, what am I doing? What am I doing?
Speaker 1: It's not even been a year. I have not learned
Speaker 1: anything since the last time. Truly, my mind is a
Speaker 1: fucking clean surface. I felt the whole time. Yesterday, laying
Speaker 1: in my bed, I was like, we're all just playing
Speaker 1: chicken about who's going to cancel this first? Because I
Speaker 1: was like I was waiting. I was waiting for one
Speaker 1: of you to be like, Joel, it's too early. Unless
Speaker 1: you have something important to fucking say, we're not doing this. Literally,
Speaker 1: do you want to know something? This morning? I got
Speaker 1: up at seven am and it was like check, No.
Speaker 1: I would have been so mad. Actually, literally, I literally
Speaker 1: in my mind's eye. But first of all, it is
Speaker 1: not that early in the grand same. So I was
Speaker 1: up till three last night working. Why are you making
Speaker 1: that problem? That's up to you, that's up to me.
Speaker 1: What were you doing before that, being on a grinder
Speaker 1: talking talking about grinder, talking to man on man on grinder. No,
Speaker 1: here's the thing, um, is that we were on Fire Island.
Speaker 1: I'm sitting by the Joel and I are sitting at
Speaker 1: the dock watching the sunset, truly my favorite, no stop,
Speaker 1: anyone can do it if you pay. Not everyone's that privilege.
Speaker 1: And you pay the nine dollar one way and and
Speaker 1: and that's it and and the L I R sunset
Speaker 1: is free, sunsets free, and the sunsets my number one
Speaker 1: top favorite part of the whole trip every year. Um.
Speaker 1: But we're on the docks and Joel goes, oh, come
Speaker 1: record this week. I was like, okay. And it was
Speaker 1: as simple as that anyway for anyone else but Jroel.
Speaker 1: We have been like absolutely not, can we Let's let's
Speaker 1: roll back? Because I said should we record this week?
Speaker 1: It was not a command, It was a very heavy
Speaker 1: suggestion that as as three best friends, we were like, yes,
Speaker 1: of course, of course you can come record Joel, what
Speaker 1: have you Okay, you've you've had to have learned something
Speaker 1: since our star is born upisode. Please listen back to
Speaker 1: why did you do that to me? Are extensive deep
Speaker 1: dive into stars. I've learned a few things. I have
Speaker 1: learned a few things. I also have a lot of
Speaker 1: notes because my god, I know I listened to this.
Speaker 1: I listened to this podcast. I listened to this podcast
Speaker 1: week in week. Thank you are loyal fans. But recently
Speaker 1: you sent us a text the Betty Gilpin episode. You said,
Speaker 1: what did you say the Betty Guilpin episode is exemplary?
Speaker 1: Or do you what did you say? First class? World class,
Speaker 1: world class? So that was a high compliment you're about
Speaker 1: to notice down. No, I'm gonna say I'm gonna talk
Speaker 1: a little bit about what you were talking about in
Speaker 1: the intro. Though. About you, I will say that UM,
Speaker 1: I was actually was trying to formulate this in an
Speaker 1: interesting way like online recently because I was listening to
Speaker 1: you guys, and I was listening to Nympho It's so
Speaker 1: so good, it's funny podcast. But both THETA and you,
Speaker 1: I think have really UM found a way to make
Speaker 1: being the straight man funny. Oh my god, really interesting way.
Speaker 1: And I noticed it about because like Matt is a clown,
Speaker 1: you are comedia. That's fine. This face is made for
Speaker 1: paint Comediasla tie bitch, catch me in Florence, how And
Speaker 1: I think part of it is the big mask. Exactly
Speaker 1: what face has a long nose and people laugh at
Speaker 1: it when I perform so matts comedia. But I think
Speaker 1: it's just sometimes you ask the right question, oh and that,
Speaker 1: and it's it makes me laugh sometimes when you interrogate
Speaker 1: his nonsense. Um, and it's this, and I think it's
Speaker 1: very much the same on that other part. But listening
Speaker 1: this to be compared to Theda Hamilt is true genius.
Speaker 1: So I don't think data would. I think it's probably
Speaker 1: an insult to theta. But to me, that's that's the
Speaker 1: highest complement. And for you, for me, for you to
Speaker 1: be down here talking now, I'm here. Now, I'm here, Matt,
Speaker 1: if New York is the fifth lady of sex in
Speaker 1: the city, am i am the fifth lady. I've been
Speaker 1: sitting silent for months and months and months to hear
Speaker 1: you say things like you l a gains those it's
Speaker 1: really driving around in my car, driving around. That's right,
Speaker 1: I said it. I drive a very l A to
Speaker 1: hear you say those LA gays, and also to hear
Speaker 1: you to hear you bring up Star Star Actress game
Speaker 1: and not say credit. It's Joel kim Booster's game. Joel
Speaker 1: Kimboster inventage. I created the game while we were watching
Speaker 1: Captain Marvel. Yeah like you you actually you act like
Speaker 1: you're better than the game. You act like you wouldn't play,
Speaker 1: ever initiate, never initiate victim. I'm telling you Yang is
Speaker 1: a public victim, his victim because you get this podcast on.
Speaker 1: I can't do a sentence. And these l A gates
Speaker 1: always playing games put me on the spot for everything
Speaker 1: to say is not being put on the spot, being
Speaker 1: put on the spot now, bitch um, I don't reject
Speaker 1: all of this gone to say. I just need I
Speaker 1: just need less aggression from you while I'm driving around
Speaker 1: in my car train to spend time with my friends.
Speaker 1: Aggression directed that is, Oh, that's directed out of a
Speaker 1: fine you know what, it's because he I'm insecure. If
Speaker 1: that you want to be you desperately, I feel would
Speaker 1: like to have more of a familiar arity with the
Speaker 1: West Coast and you. This is what I used to do.
Speaker 1: I used to always say, funk that funk, that funk
Speaker 1: that everything going on over there because I'm not a
Speaker 1: part of it. We do not. We do it every
Speaker 1: episode on the show. I do not. Now. I love
Speaker 1: both equally, both my children New York City and Los Angeles, California. Okay,
Speaker 1: but what's what's your assessment of me? You're you're about
Speaker 1: I'm saying no, I wasn't about to drag you. I
Speaker 1: was saying that if you played the game where you
Speaker 1: would know it's not me and we actually celebrate all
Speaker 1: the actresses in the game. That works for her. Not
Speaker 1: being a star is not an intrinsically negative things can't
Speaker 1: be stars. Some people can't be stars. You're right, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think and then and many times they're still good actresses.
Speaker 1: That's fine. We we I mean. The hard part of
Speaker 1: this game is for people who are neither right or yeah,
Speaker 1: that we don't touch. I think the thing is, though,
Speaker 1: is that most of the people that we'd be talking
Speaker 1: about have to be one of the to be one
Speaker 1: of the other front of our eyes and to be
Speaker 1: one to be either or both is the highest compliment,
Speaker 1: and you know what has to happen. Now we have
Speaker 1: to play. I was going to say, we have to
Speaker 1: just everyone we've gotten. I've gotten a lot of text tweets,
Speaker 1: dms like saying like this has started the corpse, like this,
Speaker 1: I'm playing this game with my friends now and truly
Speaker 1: it's like friendships are being broken. It's gonna start a
Speaker 1: topic and we have to credit this correctly at Joel
Speaker 1: can Booster invented this game? In this terrible it's going
Speaker 1: to happen h SPT Hot Senior Producer Tracy is going
Speaker 1: to say names of famous iconic quote unquote actresses, but
Speaker 1: we can't say we can't remove the quotes yet because
Speaker 1: we don't know. We haven't yet played there. And now
Speaker 1: this is going to be the definitive decisions about them
Speaker 1: because there are three of us and famously there's going
Speaker 1: to be a majority of two yes and maybe even
Speaker 1: a full sweep, full sweep, but we have to say
Speaker 1: star or actress. This is the game, Star ar actress
Speaker 1: HSPT shout out a name star and actor. I would
Speaker 1: say absolutely has the gravitas on screen, and you can't
Speaker 1: say she doesn't have the chops that woman can shake
Speaker 1: with anxiety, like no, no, no one else Where did
Speaker 1: you go? Bernard? Where did you go? Richard Link later
Speaker 1: directing book. Can you know? I just said that she
Speaker 1: performs anxiety better than anyone else. But you know who
Speaker 1: I think might perform anxiety just as Julianne. No, I
Speaker 1: was gonna say Clarid Danes Claire can perform mania. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I never say I'm going to go out on
Speaker 1: a limit just as a gimme actor. I'm actually, I'm
Speaker 1: actually gonna note like I'm not like, I'm not like
Speaker 1: whipping around on the street because I passed Clarid Danes,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But I am watching Homeland.
Speaker 1: He's eating an apple. Um. I did watch home And
Speaker 1: for the first like three seasons and then it got
Speaker 1: too much for me, right but um, thank you. She's both.
Speaker 1: She's both because she has the real power on screen
Speaker 1: and when anyone is willing to get on stage in
Speaker 1: Christ not from her nose. And I think like she's
Speaker 1: she elevates everything she does. She can do the big highbrow,
Speaker 1: low brow. She was in Suicide Squad. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: it's a badass. And ate a steak that when you
Speaker 1: want to watch someone eat a steak. That's a sign
Speaker 1: you wanted to be someone who has done August Wilson exactly.
Speaker 1: They have to understand what the steak actually means, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, that's the pain that has gone
Speaker 1: into that has paved the way to the steak. Yeah. Absolutely. Okay,
Speaker 1: Well I haven't seen I haven't. I'm going to say star,
Speaker 1: not actor. I have to reveal. She's so good on
Speaker 1: The Handmaid's Tale that you have, she's you can't go
Speaker 1: away from that show. Say she doesn't have acting talent. Yeah, okay, um,
Speaker 1: I think she hasn't. But here's the thing. I have
Speaker 1: no doubt that she's a fantastic actor actress. I think
Speaker 1: she has not broken out in a big way in
Speaker 1: a way that the gays or you know, the collective
Speaker 1: audience wants her to. For her to be like considered
Speaker 1: a capitalist star, I don't think we've seen enough. That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I'm I guess I the reason I
Speaker 1: pass I'm presenting her as a star is because she's
Speaker 1: so like I'm watching her and I can't stop watching her.
Speaker 1: But I don't think it's because she's great. But you're
Speaker 1: saying not actress, You're saying both. I'm saying star not
Speaker 1: actor because I'm like, what is going on here? I'm
Speaker 1: in I want to know more, but not because she's
Speaker 1: doing the work, you know, just because you want to
Speaker 1: see her from whatever what happens to her in the
Speaker 1: head Man still something terrible happens to her. A lot
Speaker 1: of terrible things happen to her, but she she's still there.
Speaker 1: Um But I will say for me, and it's the
Speaker 1: same in Gilmore Girls. I think the same amount of
Speaker 1: things happened to her and Gilmore Girls, She's still You
Speaker 1: can't say she's not still there at the end. Both
Speaker 1: of them are. But the fact of the matter is,
Speaker 1: like I've never been like a Gilmore Girls like person.
Speaker 1: You love Gilmore Girls seen it. I've seen the whole
Speaker 1: series at least six or seven times through and the
Speaker 1: middle like seasons two through six, probably like eleven times.
Speaker 1: It used to be the box set of Gilmore Girls
Speaker 1: used to be the most expensive thing I have, Yes,
Speaker 1: like where there were hundreds of dollars. And Lauren Graham.
Speaker 1: You think star and actress Lauren Graham maybe an actor
Speaker 1: not a star, and she is like she is important
Speaker 1: she's so important to you. I think she's so good.
Speaker 1: And there was a time when I would used. I
Speaker 1: used to seek out every weird movie that she was in,
Speaker 1: watch it, and like watch every Ellen episode. She's like
Speaker 1: frequent guests on Ellen and so charming on there. And
Speaker 1: she won celebrity poker and she beat she beat the
Speaker 1: older brother from uh Malcolm in the Middle, and he too,
Speaker 1: he was taking it so seriously like it was her
Speaker 1: and like, um, Sarah ru the only women were the
Speaker 1: only women, and like Sarah, we got out pretty early,
Speaker 1: and um, it was Chandler what's his face? Matthew Matthew Perry,
Speaker 1: and then a couple other guys and like it came
Speaker 1: down to Sarah Laura Graham and um, this guy from
Speaker 1: Malcolm in the Mid guy who got charged with sleeping
Speaker 1: with and underage girl. Oh maybe just like it's his brother,
Speaker 1: his brother, yeah, yeah, yeah, and his he's got like
Speaker 1: his cap down in the sunglasses and he looks ridiculous.
Speaker 1: And she won, and I just that's pretty cool though.
Speaker 1: I love it, and and I love her because she's
Speaker 1: like she went to theater school. She like acted for
Speaker 1: little while when got back on her m f A
Speaker 1: and then like did sitcoms and then you know, just
Speaker 1: it's such a norm she's, yeah, she does musical theaters.
Speaker 1: She then this is such a dumb I had to
Speaker 1: google most likable celebrities for just for just just to
Speaker 1: pitch out on you know, celebrities. And then um, she is,
Speaker 1: like she shows up in every last I'm like, that's
Speaker 1: so interesting. Well, people that love Gilmore, girls are like
Speaker 1: fanatical about Gilmore. But she like but she's I guess
Speaker 1: just just that she's like a charming person and like
Speaker 1: everybody likes her and I love that and we love
Speaker 1: that for her, love that. But but but not a star.
Speaker 1: Let's do another one. Okay, Elizabeth Moss, I would say
Speaker 1: Starr and actress and I And the reason the reason
Speaker 1: I would know because you're not. Here's the thing you don't.
Speaker 1: It's it's like Beyonce once said, okay, you know you're
Speaker 1: that bit when you cause all this conversation. What conversation
Speaker 1: though it sci? What are you saying, Joel is not
Speaker 1: a star? Shut up, get out of here. She's not
Speaker 1: your fourth time on the show. You learn nothing. I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Moss can't like I I did not conjure who
Speaker 1: that even was immediately that makes you an outlier of
Speaker 1: our time. No, no, no, no, here's the thing, Like,
Speaker 1: I'm happy we're having a disagreement, Elizabeth Moss. I don't
Speaker 1: think it is yet in a place to lead a
Speaker 1: rom com or like a superhero movie or like, you know,
Speaker 1: like that doesn't make you a star. This is my
Speaker 1: little I mean, it's my very basic litmus test. And
Speaker 1: she's definitely an actress. Cannot she's not. She's not the
Speaker 1: paper is not turned the you know, paper is not
Speaker 1: turning blue or whatever. She is the kind of person
Speaker 1: who can get signed onto a television project and it
Speaker 1: gets made us instantly and people will always take a
Speaker 1: note for me, that's a start. So what are you
Speaker 1: saying that Jennifer Anderson is not a star? I think
Speaker 1: she's a star and the next she's start. But I
Speaker 1: just don't. I just she's not like she's the name
Speaker 1: on everyone's lips is not. Elizabeth's not a star like
Speaker 1: I know, So we have to define I'm realizing now
Speaker 1: we might have to define stardom. That it's different for everybody,
Speaker 1: and that's why the game is fine. But here my
Speaker 1: litmus says and the reason we and the reason I
Speaker 1: even like came to this game was because we saw Captain.
Speaker 1: We saw Captain Marvelous, who is I think sort of
Speaker 1: the epitome for me of an actor not a star.
Speaker 1: Iconic problem is is because those Marvel movies, which I love,
Speaker 1: you realize the people who anchor those movies, the good ones,
Speaker 1: are all stars, and you need the stars. You need
Speaker 1: that charisma to fill in the blanks because they're all
Speaker 1: sort of like Sammy Sammy, a little bit like they're
Speaker 1: all a little formula. Once you know now that we're
Speaker 1: and like Robert Downey Jr. Star, Chris Evans star, you know,
Speaker 1: like Chris uh star, but Scar Joe, they're all stars.
Speaker 1: And then you watch Bree Larson and you're just sort
Speaker 1: of like she's doing it and she had a harder
Speaker 1: time because like her whole character is a cipher that
Speaker 1: sort of the point she doesn't know her past or
Speaker 1: anything like that. But like you, there was just not
Speaker 1: that extra thing, sort of the sheen on top of
Speaker 1: the performance that made you engage with that character. And
Speaker 1: it was a good movie. I don't want to like
Speaker 1: discount it was a good movie, but I think like
Speaker 1: it's just like the difference you can kind of test
Speaker 1: sure sure to me, she she, I really like Free Larson.
Speaker 1: But to me, it's just like there's there's not a
Speaker 1: lot of um for Captain Marvel. I feel like I
Speaker 1: need a little bit more like strength. Yeah. Well no,
Speaker 1: here's the thing. You compare this, and I don't want
Speaker 1: to be reductive and just be like, but it is
Speaker 1: like these two major female lead superhero movies, you Wonder Woman.
Speaker 1: Captain Marvel is a better structured movie, but in many
Speaker 1: respects probably, but Wonder Woman is a movie I would
Speaker 1: I would rather watch that again gal Gado star Star
Speaker 1: but not but she pulls it up and like and
Speaker 1: and she yeah, because like I think there's just something
Speaker 1: about her presence on screen that, especially for something like
Speaker 1: a superhero movie, Like if I'm going to watch Room,
Speaker 1: you want Bree, you don't want Gut right, But if
Speaker 1: I'm watching like a stupid action movie that needs like
Speaker 1: sort of to feel like a compelling presence on screen
Speaker 1: to take it to a place of interest, you need
Speaker 1: got truly the correlator. The correllary to this is like
Speaker 1: one of those actresses is an Oscar winner, like you
Speaker 1: would rather see the non Oscar winner sort of lead
Speaker 1: this like huge movie. I feel like I would prefer both.
Speaker 1: But yeah, but I get what you're saying about what
Speaker 1: you if when it comes down to it, would you
Speaker 1: prefer a star? I would prefer both, you see. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But but I'm saying it's this is the thing. This
Speaker 1: is the interesting question for me, and the answer cannot
Speaker 1: be both. Which is more important? I mean, like, like
Speaker 1: which would you which is more important? I think I
Speaker 1: think you see amazing acting all the time, and I
Speaker 1: think as gay men, we want actors do I want
Speaker 1: to start primarily? So Okay, I again, I think this
Speaker 1: this depends on what you're watching, Like if you're watching
Speaker 1: the movie obsessed with Beyonce and Ali Larder, For me,
Speaker 1: no one could do those roles better because they're both.
Speaker 1: I think a Larder can be swapped out. I think
Speaker 1: it's not just I love Ali Larder. Ali is only
Speaker 1: Ali could commit to that script like fucking if it
Speaker 1: was like yeah, you're right, like just that nine whenever
Speaker 1: it came out, like the actress, like the like actress
Speaker 1: of that time who like met that very specific sliver
Speaker 1: of criteria criteria like that was Ali honestly, this scene
Speaker 1: where she's like, you said we would be together actually
Speaker 1: like you said it, Derek, you said it and he
Speaker 1: like never said it. But in her eyes you know
Speaker 1: that she believes actress. What is Ali? Where is alot?
Speaker 1: Children have forgotten Ali Larder, who was iconic famously and
Speaker 1: not only the Finalist Nation movies but also with the
Speaker 1: series here. Um, but my last thing about Ali Larder
Speaker 1: is um is wa Alie Warder was also in Lately Bland. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Dave and I were just talking about this on Viriled.
Speaker 1: We're saying, like that scene where she's like, um, I went,
Speaker 1: I went, I went from A six to four and
Speaker 1: that's great on the day of Hayworth's murder. Yeah kidding
Speaker 1: what what? Oh? Starver Well and we had this in
Speaker 1: interesting there can be You're not these are not static
Speaker 1: like Laura during ten years ago we would have said actor,
Speaker 1: not star. But now literally she was like I remember
Speaker 1: talking about this and then last night I stumbled on
Speaker 1: this video of her like talking about like all her roles.
Speaker 1: She was like, not her and her fucking mom Mary?
Speaker 1: What's her face? Yeah? Yeah, anyway, Um, Bruce Jarn's wise,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure but they were both of them historic,
Speaker 1: both of them nominated for for an Oscar the same
Speaker 1: year for the movie that Rambling Rose Like wait, like
Speaker 1: like a few years before Jurassic Park. It's like she
Speaker 1: was she was always an actress and that's where she was.
Speaker 1: She wasn't a star Dassic Park. I think we know
Speaker 1: we made her a star recently. Community did the work
Speaker 1: down there, and we said, we got some work to do.
Speaker 1: She stepped into her startup obviously with big little lies,
Speaker 1: and I think some would say enlightened. And also and also,
Speaker 1: but here's the thing about Laura Dern in a movie,
Speaker 1: In a movie like Jurassic Park, you actually need primarily
Speaker 1: an actress because I because with Jurassic Park at the time,
Speaker 1: you had that iconic scene where she sees the stars
Speaker 1: for the real life for the first time, and the
Speaker 1: wonder in her eyes, like the incredible you really believe
Speaker 1: that her Sam Neil Jeff they all sell it in
Speaker 1: a way that the c g I of these new
Speaker 1: fucking movies could never say. She was saying in this
Speaker 1: issue is like those raptors were real, like they were there,
Speaker 1: like yeah, because they made audio on amatronics, right, And
Speaker 1: she was like like those peppeteers are genius, and she
Speaker 1: was like, so as an actor, that's great. Like now
Speaker 1: I was I wasn't looking at nothing. I was like,
Speaker 1: she goes, she goes, she goes, she goes. I was
Speaker 1: she goes. I was scared. I was terrified when we
Speaker 1: were shooting. I mean, that's the thing is, it's like
Speaker 1: you almost appreciate and like the fact that you're not
Speaker 1: watching a full blown star because it would almost be distracting,
Speaker 1: where it is like she's for us, for us, and
Speaker 1: we get to we get to sit there and almost
Speaker 1: be her and Sam Neil, who also like that great actor,
Speaker 1: the only star in that movie. Is really the thing
Speaker 1: is is I think here's another criteria I think we
Speaker 1: just stumbled on is that with stars who are not actors,
Speaker 1: you're sort of always aware. You're like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I'm watching so and so and yes, and then an
Speaker 1: actor you can sort of like you do sort of
Speaker 1: forget about them, you know, and then a star and
Speaker 1: an actor can sort of do both because like Julia Roberts,
Speaker 1: sometimes you're like sometimes you're watching Julia Roberts, You're like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm watching Julia Roberts. And sometimes but
Speaker 1: then when she's Aaron Brockovitch, it's like, I'm kind of
Speaker 1: not getting as much Julia robertson this, which is great
Speaker 1: for me. Aaron Brockovich is the perfect example of a
Speaker 1: star vehicle that allows them to show their acting because
Speaker 1: it's like, I mean, this is a great movie. I
Speaker 1: could watch it and and it's just such a perfect
Speaker 1: match for her gifts so good. I think My best
Speaker 1: Friend's Wedding is one of the best round comes of
Speaker 1: all time. I would absolutely agree. I love the ending
Speaker 1: a movie where there are it's like forty five minutes
Speaker 1: too long, you don't understand the structure, but it is
Speaker 1: so good and she is so good in it, and
Speaker 1: it is unlike anything else. She's iconic in that movie.
Speaker 1: I mean. And also the character is this is how
Speaker 1: you know someone like the start, because the character is like,
Speaker 1: what is going on? Girl? Like, get over the villain.
Speaker 1: She's the villain, she really is. She is the villain.
Speaker 1: I think are apparent to Julia. I think someone who
Speaker 1: is sort of Julia Roberts and Jason for me right
Speaker 1: now is I would absolutely because you and amistone in
Speaker 1: the Favorite Too, You're like always aware that it's emistone,
Speaker 1: but like, what a great performance. And I'm actually a
Speaker 1: La La Land apologist and thought that she deserved the
Speaker 1: Oscar for it. I have not revisited, but we saw
Speaker 1: it together together, but we loved it. When we loved
Speaker 1: saw we had no critical thoughts. But there was Trump,
Speaker 1: which is stupid. I don't know that that thing about
Speaker 1: everyone hating Land. It's like you guys like get mad
Speaker 1: about real things. Um, I just want to do just
Speaker 1: Aaron Brockovich can't do that. That's what am I supposed
Speaker 1: to check in every two seconds? Yes, it's called accountability.
Speaker 1: I'm not talking to you, bitch, that's all you got,
Speaker 1: Lady to wrong And just such a good script, so
Speaker 1: well directed, like the tone all the supporting characters feel
Speaker 1: real M is absolutely Albert Finney, UM, so fucking good.
Speaker 1: And she's she's like, that's like exactly what I want
Speaker 1: to see out of a movie like that, or a
Speaker 1: movie in general. It's just someone turning it. Yes, yes, um,
Speaker 1: but the Laura during things sorry to go back to this.
Speaker 1: She was like in David She was like multiple David
Speaker 1: Lynch films before and then in the eighties and nine,
Speaker 1: like sucking blue and not eighties but like blue Velvet.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, I always trust an actress that a
Speaker 1: director works with again and again and again, and I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: obviously there's something that works here, Like for me, you
Speaker 1: know who, I we you know who. There's I think
Speaker 1: the most iconic conversation around when it comes to this game.
Speaker 1: And I think she's the most polarizing when it comes
Speaker 1: to this Cha. Yes, I brought her up. I was
Speaker 1: going to say, for me, the most polarizing I think,
Speaker 1: especially in this group is Jennifer Lawrence. Let's starting out
Speaker 1: an actor. I don't get it. Silver Linings Playbook, did
Speaker 1: not did not get why she wants that Oscar to
Speaker 1: be honest in retrospect, do not get it. I think
Speaker 1: star and actress, I really do. I think that. I
Speaker 1: think that here's the thing about Jennifer Lawrence, and this
Speaker 1: is what we get down to, what exactly is makes
Speaker 1: it makes us because I think that she has given
Speaker 1: several iconic performances American Hustle, She's the only fun thing
Speaker 1: about that movie, her and amy Um Silver Linings. It's
Speaker 1: a weird performance and she's like not cast super well.
Speaker 1: But the thing is, like you will remember it like you.
Speaker 1: You remember that some of the scenes she's really really good.
Speaker 1: Their chemistry is good, and when you watch it a
Speaker 1: second time, it actually really works, even Hunger Games, and
Speaker 1: then you don't forget about winners Bone, but forget about
Speaker 1: Here's my problem though, I think, and this is my
Speaker 1: resistance to Jennifer Lawrence. And I think it's always been
Speaker 1: my resistance because remember, every game man was born into
Speaker 1: this world of casting director and the rest is drag.
Speaker 1: The rest is track. And I every game was born
Speaker 1: to the world director and the rest is drag. I
Speaker 1: those that slew of movies from Silver Linings through Joy
Speaker 1: not right. It's not right. And I don't she's playing
Speaker 1: characters that's way too old, and it was too soon
Speaker 1: in the transition was so quick from Hunger Games where
Speaker 1: she is a young girl to a young woman to
Speaker 1: fucking Joy where she supposed to be in her like
Speaker 1: forties the whole time. And it's so like, I can't.
Speaker 1: It was so hard to watch those three movies where
Speaker 1: she's playing these like these like middle roles and and
Speaker 1: and that's and that's the other add frustration, as they
Speaker 1: say there's no roles for women over forty in Hollywood.
Speaker 1: It's just j Law has taken all. Yeah, it's really true.
Speaker 1: But the fact of the matter is I don't I
Speaker 1: don't um. I don't hold her accountable for that. I
Speaker 1: think that's like the Hollywood system wanting her and everything.
Speaker 1: And I think it's a testament to her talent that
Speaker 1: despite the fact that she is so miscast, these things work.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't find her. I didn't think she
Speaker 1: transcended the miscasting though. That's my problems that I didn't
Speaker 1: get old from her. And and but Matt just now
Speaker 1: talking about like you were being a case for her
Speaker 1: being an actress by saying, like, well, in Hunger Games
Speaker 1: she's so you know, so convincing or compelling, and her
Speaker 1: chemistry Bradley is so great and silver linings, but like
Speaker 1: that's not that feels like stardom to me, doing doing
Speaker 1: all the work. Well, here's what I'll say, And this
Speaker 1: is a conversation about like the act dress of it all.
Speaker 1: I think she's incredible and almost everything she does I
Speaker 1: really do. But if she ever tried to do like
Speaker 1: a British accent, I think I'd be offended. I think
Speaker 1: I'd be really upset. I think I have to go away,
Speaker 1: and like Red Sparrow, that kind of flapped because I
Speaker 1: think I saw her Russian accent and I was like, see,
Speaker 1: I don't want to ruin it for myself. Whereas Emma
Speaker 1: Stone in the face, you would never know she wasn't British.
Speaker 1: There you go. So you're just then you're protecting your
Speaker 1: own perception of her. Then that's so bizarre. No, I'm
Speaker 1: not protecting my own perception of her. I'm saying that
Speaker 1: we have a conversation on our hands here about do
Speaker 1: you have to be able to execute period work or
Speaker 1: accident in order to be considered an actress. No, no, no, no, No.
Speaker 1: One's saying that some people can't do it. Some people
Speaker 1: just simply don't have an ear for accents. And I'm
Speaker 1: so glad I'm not one of film. One of the
Speaker 1: first things I started doing when I act was to
Speaker 1: a perfect accents. And this is what I'm talking you
Speaker 1: were doing. You were doing a huge Jackman impression on
Speaker 1: the Jesse David Fox episode where it was the lay
Speaker 1: Miss Future. You're doing a impression on him so bad,
Speaker 1: singing amazing, it's amazing. But I can do a good
Speaker 1: vocal impression of him do it from now on? That's good,
Speaker 1: I thought, murmur through the lens of Jackman. Yes, from
Speaker 1: now that's bad. Fact not be blinded by that. The
Speaker 1: Greatest Showman is the movie I will watch. I will go.
Speaker 1: I will if we're in the middle of landing on
Speaker 1: the plane every single day, every single time I'm on
Speaker 1: a plane and I'm like, I don't have time to
Speaker 1: watch a full movie. We're going to be landing soon.
Speaker 1: I guess I will go to the Greatest Woman and watch.
Speaker 1: All the musical numbers came through Hugh Jackman, star actor both,
Speaker 1: I think probably both for more he can do it all,
Speaker 1: you can do it all, but more star than after
Speaker 1: I would say, yeah, I was super grady ground Yeah.
Speaker 1: I guess we haven't really seen him in anything that
Speaker 1: would test like Logan is probably the biggest acting challenges
Speaker 1: he's had. I guess La Miss maybe counts, but that's
Speaker 1: still so. He was fantastic in La He was. He
Speaker 1: is a very good John alongside star and actress Anne
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely. You watched devil Wares product again and you know, okay,
Speaker 1: so you need Andy to be and so they're doing
Speaker 1: like a musical version of it UM's Tub and and
Speaker 1: what I was thinking when I was watching the movie,
Speaker 1: I was I was like, I was a little worried
Speaker 1: about the musical because like Me and Girls the musical,
Speaker 1: the reason Me and Girls works is Lindsay Lohan is
Speaker 1: such a star, Like she's such a star that you
Speaker 1: follow her and she's a site for the whole time,
Speaker 1: and she's narrating it and you're just like willing to
Speaker 1: hang out with her the whole time. And then I think,
Speaker 1: no Shade, but the Broadway musical, Like it's hard to
Speaker 1: especially watching musical and have this person you're following, like
Speaker 1: and now I'm going to that cavity. It's just like okay,
Speaker 1: and like you're watching it and at just doing it
Speaker 1: and you're like, where's Lindsay Whereas like with Devil Worse Product,
Speaker 1: I think we're dealing with the same thing. With the musical,
Speaker 1: you have to really find the right person to play
Speaker 1: that lead part because Andy is not an easy part.
Speaker 1: You forget watching Couple Worse Product how fucking good and
Speaker 1: and she makes that movie work. And of course, like
Speaker 1: Meryl Streep gets all the credit because she's so amazing
Speaker 1: and iconic, and I would even go as far as
Speaker 1: to say one of her best roles. And then us
Speaker 1: fags are always like Emily Blont, Emily Blont, Emily Blunt,
Speaker 1: but Ann gets lost in that movie and the conversation
Speaker 1: star and actor Emily Blunt. I think, I actually think
Speaker 1: to be an action in any sort of action movie,
Speaker 1: you've got to be a little bit of a star.
Speaker 1: And I think Emily Blunt is maybe one of the
Speaker 1: like closest things we had for a minute to a
Speaker 1: female action star. Her and Scarlett Tomorrow. Tomorrow is so good,
Speaker 1: She's so good, you can't conversation Scarlett is that we
Speaker 1: had for many years. And then it kind of like
Speaker 1: her Angelina is like sort of um, you know, her
Speaker 1: disciples I guess were like Scarlett and then Emily there
Speaker 1: for a minute with Edge of Tomorrow. And also, wasn't
Speaker 1: there something else I guess like don't don't speak or
Speaker 1: don't whisper, don't be quiet? Wasn't she a looper? Looper? Yes, looper,
Speaker 1: because there was rumors for a while that she was.
Speaker 1: She was don't speak, don't actually it's really culture number
Speaker 1: forty nine, don't speak, don't whisper, But there was rumors
Speaker 1: that she was going to be Captain Marvel, and I
Speaker 1: think she would have been amazing. Well, she was supposed
Speaker 1: to be black widow. Really, yes, okay, this is iconic.
Speaker 1: She was supposed and then hurt herself or she either
Speaker 1: hurt herself or there was a scheduling thing that she
Speaker 1: couldn't do it, and then they cast scar Joe. That's see,
Speaker 1: that's that's so sad, because she could pull off the
Speaker 1: Red in a way that scar Joe never could pull
Speaker 1: off that Red. I think scar Joe looks good in
Speaker 1: The Red. I think she always there's a reason they
Speaker 1: let her be blonde in these last installments. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: like literally the character is called black widow, iconic redhead,
Speaker 1: and for the last three movies they're like, yeah, you
Speaker 1: can be blond you ever. I think she she first
Speaker 1: appeared an Iron Man too, I believe, and her part
Speaker 1: is literally wordless, like she was there just to look hot.
Speaker 1: And she has one scene where, yeah, she has one
Speaker 1: scene where she like sucks people up, and I remember
Speaker 1: thinking in the audience like, holy shit, like this person
Speaker 1: is something else. And but they gave her truly no dialogue,
Speaker 1: and so to watch the progression of her having no
Speaker 1: Dialogue and Iron Man too, and all these years passing
Speaker 1: in them all getting their own projects and owned movies
Speaker 1: and even like all this ship and for them to
Speaker 1: only announce just now that she's getting Black Widow. It's wild,
Speaker 1: it's crazy. She's by far the most compelling parts of
Speaker 1: those movies from I can't you know what I can't
Speaker 1: wait for? It is the the the uh Elizabeth Olsen
Speaker 1: and Paul Bettany too hander that what how are those
Speaker 1: two going to carry a movie? You know? I don't know, um,
Speaker 1: But Natalie being like just coming back kimming, being an
Speaker 1: action star, I think would be very if she like
Speaker 1: fully leaned into Annihilation totally amously Star Wars. She did
Speaker 1: not handle a blaster, you know what I mean? You
Speaker 1: can tell. You can always tell with Natalie though it's
Speaker 1: right behind the eyes, she's like, I don't want to
Speaker 1: be doing that. Well, I literally think, Actually, it's interesting
Speaker 1: you say that, because I think with Natalie Portman, you
Speaker 1: literally can tell when she thinks the material is dumb.
Speaker 1: You can when Natalie Portman is trying, it's a different
Speaker 1: thing than when she's not. That's so true. She needs
Speaker 1: a good director and someone she trusts and seen partners
Speaker 1: she likes because when you are watching her, she doesn't
Speaker 1: want to be there. I don't want to be there, right, No,
Speaker 1: like in Star Wars, she's barely awake, you know, just
Speaker 1: she's like, you can tell she thinks Anderson Anderson Cooper.
Speaker 1: You can tell she thinks Ashton Kutcher is the dumbest
Speaker 1: man alive. Even in the Thorn movies. Yeah, she's phoning
Speaker 1: it in. Yeah. Fully, I wonder how much she'll give
Speaker 1: female thor. I think she will. Hopefully she'll have fun
Speaker 1: comic And she was a little bit like, I don't
Speaker 1: think she'd come back. I don't think she'd come back
Speaker 1: because if she didn't really want to, I really don't.
Speaker 1: But man, those that that is the thing about that,
Speaker 1: That the whole series of movies is they just pulling
Speaker 1: these A list women and waste like Rachel McAdams and
Speaker 1: doctor Strange. Do you remember, no? Of course not, of
Speaker 1: course not that sucks. If we were talking, were you there,
Speaker 1: We were talking about Rachel McAdams a lot. I mean
Speaker 1: we've I feel like we always talk about Rachel McAdams
Speaker 1: and need to rescue her from her current agents and
Speaker 1: get her better agents because there should be a bit
Speaker 1: she should be everywhere. We were talking about how like
Speaker 1: there was a moment in time where she absolutely was
Speaker 1: going to be, Like there was amin Yeah, there was
Speaker 1: like a like a solid couple of years there where
Speaker 1: we were positive that the next stars of romantic comedies
Speaker 1: we're gonna be Rachel McAdams and Katherine Heigl. And I
Speaker 1: think two different things. Katherine Heigel turned out to be
Speaker 1: difficult whatever, like that narrative solidified and then it was
Speaker 1: just too much. And Rachel McAdams, I just think bad luck,
Speaker 1: bad decisions, like always kind of be in like fourth
Speaker 1: or fifth on everyone's list, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: just someone who got lost, who is so good because
Speaker 1: you think about mean girls, The Notebook, Family Stone, Wedding Crashers,
Speaker 1: Red Eye. Can you imagine? Actually that's not a bad five,
Speaker 1: it's can you imagine being a those? My God? And
Speaker 1: also such versatil what the versubtility that that has? U? God?
Speaker 1: Just her? Yeah? Those? I mean yeah, but part of
Speaker 1: me is like I'm watching her in interviews now, where
Speaker 1: as like recently she was doing press for something and
Speaker 1: I was like, she just seems like chilled out, and
Speaker 1: she's probably like not too thirsty. Yeah, maybe that's it.
Speaker 1: I think that may be part of it is she's like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to do that much, which is which
Speaker 1: I respected in mind. I get that that that's me,
Speaker 1: that's me. That's why. Actually, that's why you don't see
Speaker 1: me everywhere, because I said, because I don't want to
Speaker 1: do I don't want to do too much. For a
Speaker 1: moment there, Joel was going to be, you know, the
Speaker 1: next I can't wait for. I truly I can't wait
Speaker 1: for Joel to lead a rom com. Though I can't wait.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it'll ever. I think if you
Speaker 1: know what, and we love Billy, we love but if
Speaker 1: Billy can lead like a Jett m I feel like
Speaker 1: that's going to open a door maybe for some people.
Speaker 1: And Joel is gonna fuck Paul bet me, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I would love I actually met him. I think he's hot,
Speaker 1: he's got he's got hot energy, and that's what you
Speaker 1: don't need to be hot, you just need to have
Speaker 1: hot energy. And that I'm very susceptible to that. Like
Speaker 1: I that's why I like, I don't like. Apps have
Speaker 1: never been the best place for me to find my
Speaker 1: favorite kind of sexual partners because I'm so much like
Speaker 1: I need the energy in the room. So you have
Speaker 1: self tape with me. You got to come into the
Speaker 1: buzz in, take the elevator up to sign in. Yes,
Speaker 1: and I might need to say to do it again, yeah,
Speaker 1: because like there are so many people that I like
Speaker 1: where I'd be like if I saw pictures of you,
Speaker 1: I would be like no. Honestly, sometimes I've had some
Speaker 1: of the hottest like hookups of my life with people
Speaker 1: who I was like, not necessarily super like on the
Speaker 1: on the basis of the way they look like super
Speaker 1: attracted to them, and then like whether it was like
Speaker 1: a certain I don't know. It's like sexuality is like
Speaker 1: it's a chemical vibe. Sometimes I'll be smelling someone and
Speaker 1: it is pheromones. Because there was a guy on on
Speaker 1: Fire Island where I was like sort of you know,
Speaker 1: like testing the water, seeing my options, and he was
Speaker 1: not the hottest one, but like for some reason it
Speaker 1: was like a chemical things like this is the one
Speaker 1: to have them. I had to you know what. I
Speaker 1: think the reverse is true for me too. By the way,
Speaker 1: I don't think I test. I think just pictures alone. No, no,
Speaker 1: But once once you get me in the room. Once
Speaker 1: you get in the room with Stoll, he has a book.
Speaker 1: I book, I book, I book, I book, I will
Speaker 1: I book, I book. Well above my weight class, I think,
Speaker 1: I do. I do. God, I think that guys would
Speaker 1: never look at me online or swipe I have, I have,
Speaker 1: and and it it's I need to be in the
Speaker 1: room with them. And that's it. I think, down my
Speaker 1: leg and then get me in the room. That is
Speaker 1: that is becoming less and less true as time goes on.
Speaker 1: You know what it is? That is maybe possible. But
Speaker 1: the thing is is like people, you know, I still
Speaker 1: walk into I walked into plenty of parties on Fire
Speaker 1: Island where everyone looked and just was like you don't
Speaker 1: belong here, And like I think that will always be
Speaker 1: the case no matter what I look like. And I
Speaker 1: have just sort of let it go. I've let it go.
Speaker 1: I let it go. This trip, Joel and I went
Speaker 1: to Pine's party with with Joel Brooklyn and Joel justin
Speaker 1: Dean and truly so fun. And I think it was
Speaker 1: fun because we stuck together because I after the first
Speaker 1: like forty five minutes of walking to that party, was like,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm not getting any vibes for anybody.
Speaker 1: And also I don't think that's what the night is about.
Speaker 1: And I'm going to let that go and just like
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna like, that's not what this is and
Speaker 1: I'm just here with my friends and that's going to
Speaker 1: be it. And it was truly like a joy story's
Speaker 1: time when we watched the damn sunrise. We watched the
Speaker 1: damn sunrise on the fucking beach honestly hot, so cool
Speaker 1: it was, it was, and we like and we did,
Speaker 1: we did. We did the very you know, molly thing
Speaker 1: of just whatever. We just like pulled each other close,
Speaker 1: Joel and I and just constantly would just like say,
Speaker 1: like the most earnest ship in the world. It was
Speaker 1: very beautiful. It was beautiful. It was almost and that's
Speaker 1: like that is that is the most molly thing. The
Speaker 1: second most molly thing is me trying to shove my
Speaker 1: molly flaccid dick into butts, like just like folding it
Speaker 1: up and like trying to make it happen, pizza roll
Speaker 1: and just trying to get it in likeying to make
Speaker 1: it happen, and it just never squeeze from the base.
Speaker 1: And then that gives you more girth up, doctor Yang
Speaker 1: over here, base squeeze from the base. That's title about um.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Of course the third most molly thing
Speaker 1: is right after you take it and it hits you
Speaker 1: shoot your pants. Well that's if you get it cut
Speaker 1: with a little bit less meth. Know, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: it's the math that makes you shi is there methinite? Oh?
Speaker 1: I don't know that there exists molly on that we're
Speaker 1: taking right now that doesn't have a little bit of meth. Okay,
Speaker 1: you can get a test hit though, Everybody, what do
Speaker 1: you know that we don't about this math? I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I is the first time I'm learning about this meth
Speaker 1: in the molly all cut with like different, it's not
Speaker 1: we're not getting I don't think it exists. Maybe in Spain,
Speaker 1: in Spain where they grow it, where they where it
Speaker 1: grows on trees. Yeah, I have a Molley tree in
Speaker 1: my backyard in Barcelona. Sorry, sorry, thank you Noah Galvin
Speaker 1: for that pronunciation. In book Smart, I'm seeing him in waitress.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, he's a waitress. Yeah. I didn't know
Speaker 1: this either, but Dar was telling me we're going on
Speaker 1: Tuesday to see waitress and don't that name sleep that
Speaker 1: name out. You cut this interrogation. Um, we're going to
Speaker 1: see waitress playing in waitress. I don't know. I guess
Speaker 1: like one of the guys who like sings a couple
Speaker 1: of songs that famous rule. I think I think he's playing.
Speaker 1: I think he's filling in for Kimmy goes part Art
Speaker 1: has not been in the show. It's been like the
Speaker 1: first three weeks, Kimmy go what she does? I feel
Speaker 1: like I'm not seeing way just at the right time though,
Speaker 1: because well, it's Shana. Is it Shoshana Bean right now? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you already see Shanna, but most the right
Speaker 1: not the right time perform because I didn't know. Wait,
Speaker 1: are we positive that it's Shoshana right now? I think
Speaker 1: I believe it. I'm going to look it up because
Speaker 1: that's not the intel. By the way, speaking of mean
Speaker 1: girls are made from like Adams, I just have to
Speaker 1: shout out Taylor Louderman, who played Regina, who's playing Regina
Speaker 1: until September six. By the time this episode comes out,
Speaker 1: it'll be rene rap of Jimmy's fame. M Taylor Lauderman
Speaker 1: saw her recently do this thing for work, and I
Speaker 1: was just like fell head over heels in love. I
Speaker 1: haven't seen me girl. She's amazing and she's she and
Speaker 1: the thing is is and I'm not sure if it's
Speaker 1: a product of the writing or just how it turned out,
Speaker 1: but she is this like it makes the whole show
Speaker 1: sort of about her, about Regina. She's so good. And
Speaker 1: they tweaked her ark Regina's ark in the show a
Speaker 1: little bit more, and it really does sort of everything
Speaker 1: sort of revolves around. That's pretty cool. That's an interesting thing.
Speaker 1: But I just want to say, Taylor Lowderman, I'm in love.
Speaker 1: If you remember me, please, I will be my friend.
Speaker 1: I will be seeing Alison Lough and the role of
Speaker 1: Jenna taking over Froshana Bean. She is also a former alphabet.
Speaker 1: We love them. I mean, look, she used any used
Speaker 1: to be um. But I famously like to see a
Speaker 1: good old fashioned character actress on stage. Colin I were
Speaker 1: color school that I were talking about how we were
Speaker 1: going on this round about how like pretending to be
Speaker 1: this like fifty year old man from like Michigan. That's like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to see some star in the role.
Speaker 1: That's not why I come from New York. I come
Speaker 1: from New York to see a good old fashioned character.
Speaker 1: I want to see a union woman on that stage
Speaker 1: acting or hard out. That's why you come to New York.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's beautiful. That was just a funny bit.
Speaker 1: Cole Skola on Fire Island is the most beautiful thing, joyful.
Speaker 1: So I mean, just wow, I love How are we did?
Speaker 1: We should be checking really quickly about about our trips,
Speaker 1: how to go okay, oh we don't have to do
Speaker 1: and like it was good. It was Fire Island every year.
Speaker 1: It's every year it's a chiller and chiller and I'm
Speaker 1: just like, I'm just here. It was not a chill
Speaker 1: experience for me this year, but it was because your
Speaker 1: phone broken shd. Yeah, I felt truly cuckoo. Because well,
Speaker 1: I also flew back to l A on Friday, which
Speaker 1: is then really back to Fire Island, chartered your own
Speaker 1: boat I hired about to get me off that island
Speaker 1: in time and you and you benefited you absolutely so
Speaker 1: can you tell the story of why you needed to leave?
Speaker 1: Because I had a table read for NBC Sunnyside and
Speaker 1: they could not They weirdly would not move it to
Speaker 1: accommodate my vacation. And so you the fourth lead and
Speaker 1: I and I was like, well, I guess I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna and and and and a reasonable person would have
Speaker 1: looked at their schedule and said, just go on Saturday.
Speaker 1: Just go on Saturday. Because what I did is I
Speaker 1: flew into New York on Wednesday. I went to Fire
Speaker 1: Island on Thursday. I flew back to l A on
Speaker 1: Friday and then flew and then landed in l A
Speaker 1: at one pm, turned around at eight thirty pm, and
Speaker 1: flew back to New York and then went straight from
Speaker 1: It was in a red eye flight, got off the plane,
Speaker 1: jumped back on the train, headed out to the ferry,
Speaker 1: and I was back on Fire Island by ten am.
Speaker 1: Cool cool, um it was, but you know what, it
Speaker 1: was honestly worth it. That Thursday night was very fun
Speaker 1: for me. Uh what was Thursday? What happened Thursday? I
Speaker 1: don't know. I was just fucked up the entire time.
Speaker 1: And then UM made it to the table read it
Speaker 1: was so I'm very excited um for that. And then
Speaker 1: Saturday was great. And then not two hours after I
Speaker 1: arrived back to fire around them on Saturday, my phone
Speaker 1: drowned in a pool. Um and I was without a
Speaker 1: phone from Saturday till yesterday Thursday, and I have to
Speaker 1: say it made me feel It truly made me feel
Speaker 1: ten times crazier. It didn't seem like the lack of
Speaker 1: a phone was bothering, you know. It wasn't. It wasn't,
Speaker 1: it wasn't actively But the only time I noticed that
Speaker 1: I did not have a phone is when I was
Speaker 1: waiting in line for the bathroom because there was like here, Yeah, um,
Speaker 1: I couldn't be without my not even photo moments, not
Speaker 1: even like I want to take a picture of that.
Speaker 1: We'll see. That's the other thing is that I am
Speaker 1: sad that I didn't get to make everyone jealous about
Speaker 1: my vacation. There are so many, so many terrible Instagram
Speaker 1: stories that were missed out on so many photos, um
Speaker 1: that that didn't get taken. Um. But yeah, it just
Speaker 1: because I was like usually like I'm able to like
Speaker 1: sort of take a dip back into real life while
Speaker 1: I'm on vacation, and I forced me really not be
Speaker 1: able to. And I, um, I mean, the big thing
Speaker 1: I realized is that I have nothing interesting to say
Speaker 1: that I like was like I was finally back with
Speaker 1: my phone yesterday and I was like, now I can
Speaker 1: finally tweet all of those great thoughts that I had
Speaker 1: on I didn't have a single interesting thought on the island,
Speaker 1: not one, And I guess that's good interesting thought on vacation.
Speaker 1: I recently, I wouldn't have been able to survive. I
Speaker 1: recently looked at my phone and I put that thing
Speaker 1: on that's like tells you how much hours you spend
Speaker 1: on your phone. I'm embarrassed to say that I spend
Speaker 1: the fucking message told me that I spent over average
Speaker 1: over eight hours of phone today. I think that's pretty
Speaker 1: normal for people like us. I do. It's so crazy.
Speaker 1: I probably am on my phone longer than I'm sleeping.
Speaker 1: But also it's not like you're on one continuous eight
Speaker 1: hour streak with you know, I just get nervous that.
Speaker 1: Like I'm around people and they're like, oh, that's the
Speaker 1: kind of person who's always on his phone. Well everybody.
Speaker 1: That is not an interesting observation anymore. Like people of
Speaker 1: er than us love to be like, you know, I
Speaker 1: saw these people, the whole table, millennials, all on their phone,
Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, fuck you, it's not exceptional. It's
Speaker 1: not exceptional. That's just now we're moving. I do wonder though,
Speaker 1: like I was just understimulated on Fire Island because of
Speaker 1: the lack of the phone, Like I wasn't being like
Speaker 1: constantly like and I think that in doubt, like yeah,
Speaker 1: just like scrolling through stuff. So I wonder, like, I
Speaker 1: wonder how that's affecting us to just like constantly be
Speaker 1: engaged and constantly be you know, um stimulated by information
Speaker 1: and memes and jokes and music all the time. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's um damaging. Wow. But I you know
Speaker 1: what I did on Fire Island, and my thing with
Speaker 1: Fire Island is I actually don't love going not because
Speaker 1: of any like social or sexual thing. It's because I
Speaker 1: don't like to be sandy in my bed. Like there
Speaker 1: was a lot of sand shared a bed, sorry, and
Speaker 1: there was a lot of sand. Our only fans is
Speaker 1: dropping soon it's gonna be us sleeping next to each other,
Speaker 1: back back to back, like the the imask dedvisor on
Speaker 1: and they're sand all over me. Um. But I apparently
Speaker 1: tracked a lot of sand back to the bed because
Speaker 1: it was really sandy. And I just don't like my
Speaker 1: when my feet are sandy. I just prefer something like
Speaker 1: Palm Springs where it's like pool culture. Here, here we
Speaker 1: go again. No, it's not the l a. Palm Springs
Speaker 1: fucking sucks. I totally disagree with you. Palm Strings fucking sucks.
Speaker 1: The restaurants are terribly you have to drive everywhere. I disagree.
Speaker 1: I just like, I mean, it's it's a matter of
Speaker 1: like civilization versus seclusion. I love a beach. I need
Speaker 1: a beach. I see, I grew up with beaches. I
Speaker 1: passed on the beach. I passed on the beach. But
Speaker 1: what I was gonna say is one thing I did
Speaker 1: do that I never do is I went in the ocean.
Speaker 1: But it's always too cold. I'm very sensitive to cold.
Speaker 1: And I had a gorgeous experience in the ocean. I
Speaker 1: had an emotional experience. When we were tripping, Matt was
Speaker 1: Bonnie Bonnie. He was big little eyes, just like truly,
Speaker 1: like we were all like buyer blankets and we just
Speaker 1: saw Matt down by the beach, like changing around. I
Speaker 1: had a lot to think about he did. He It
Speaker 1: was so funny and we and I was like, what
Speaker 1: song is playing in your head? And He's like, I'm
Speaker 1: not listening to any music in my head, and then
Speaker 1: later he came back. It's the Archer. It's the Archers. Literally,
Speaker 1: I was thinking about the Archer in my head. Been Um,
Speaker 1: I think that song is great. I think it is
Speaker 1: Out of the Woods Getaway Car part Trace, But I
Speaker 1: think it's just the worst version of those two songs.
Speaker 1: You know. I think she's she's singing about something that
Speaker 1: I don't think she's really touched on before. And I think,
Speaker 1: like it's not really touched on in music, maybe hasn't
Speaker 1: been lyrically touched on in a while. Never heard it. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: it's just like, um, like I have the capacity to hurt,
Speaker 1: and I've been hurt. Like I love that idea, Like
Speaker 1: I just think that there's such a there's so much
Speaker 1: lyrically in it, Like I think like it's I really
Speaker 1: like that it never drops. Actually the first time I
Speaker 1: heard it, I was like, it never like there's no drop,
Speaker 1: It never becomes something you can like really feel in
Speaker 1: a deeper way. But I actually disagree with that now
Speaker 1: because I kind of like this the way that it
Speaker 1: ends with a sense of like calm, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. It's kind of like the story of like
Speaker 1: you made someone and then maybe like it doesn't have
Speaker 1: to be like it as difficult as it's always been,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like, I think that's kind
Speaker 1: of nice, and I think that's I appreciate, like a
Speaker 1: lyrical simplicity like that, or just not even lyrical simplicity.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's lyrical lyrically simple, but just that
Speaker 1: kind of like um, melodically, it's very kind of straightforward,
Speaker 1: and I think it's kind of nice. And I appreciate
Speaker 1: that she released it in advance of the album because
Speaker 1: I think that if I have a feeling, the album
Speaker 1: will be more like that. And by the time that
Speaker 1: this episode is out, the album will be out and
Speaker 1: the jury will be out. The jury will be out,
Speaker 1: but I think Drewy won't be out. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they'll come back. The foreman will say Hi. Max. Twitter
Speaker 1: did santage rot show called Taggart Lawyer's at Law and
Speaker 1: they have Eliza her What's playing the foreman. So it's
Speaker 1: just the courtroom drama. But they have Eliza What's playing
Speaker 1: the foreman. She just the writing is so good. She goes, hi, Um,
Speaker 1: I'm the leader of the group. You might remember me anyway, Um,
Speaker 1: we've made our decision Um, we just want to say
Speaker 1: that both sides give an amazing performance, like gave it
Speaker 1: amazing performance. Speaking of courtrooms and amazing performances, you guys
Speaker 1: got to check out I Love You Now dieing about that.
Speaker 1: It's an HBO doc It's a two hour, two part
Speaker 1: doc um and it is about this case in Massachusetts
Speaker 1: that girl who told her texted her boyfriend for yourself
Speaker 1: and then he did and yes, I remember the stent.
Speaker 1: They charged her with manslaughter. Um. And it is this
Speaker 1: case and they do such a good job because in
Speaker 1: the first hour you're like, get her, but then they
Speaker 1: make her sympathetic, and then in the second hour you're like,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, no one here, it was guilty. Um,
Speaker 1: how do they do that? The relationship between her and
Speaker 1: the boyfriend and how it fucked up it is, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it is just like this example of the state
Speaker 1: needing to criminalize this thing in order to sort of
Speaker 1: like sort of ring a win out of a tragic situation.
Speaker 1: And we don't this none, none of it needed to
Speaker 1: be criminal, you know, like it shouldn't have been punitive,
Speaker 1: like she needs treatment. It was just so it's tragic,
Speaker 1: and Liam Michelle is prominently featured in the second half,
Speaker 1: and she booked, she booked. Wait wait I thought it
Speaker 1: was a documentary. It is, but Liam Michell she booked
Speaker 1: what She's the Janine Pierre of this. I gotta say,
Speaker 1: you just have to watch it. And and Liam Michelle
Speaker 1: is in it, and she acted, she is acting in
Speaker 1: it what she is she is acting. Okay, I'm end
Speaker 1: from I'm not gonna say I'm not going to spoil
Speaker 1: it for the people who who I love you now
Speaker 1: Diet on HBO. You question today, Um, speaking of great
Speaker 1: performances in courtrooms, you guys got to check out big
Speaker 1: a little. You guys have to check a little. Well.
Speaker 1: The thing that Matt he was doing now is when
Speaker 1: like sometimes I will be pouty or whatever and will
Speaker 1: be like, what's wrong, or Matt will just like force
Speaker 1: He'll force me to He'll force me to be like
Speaker 1: social or amiable or whatever. I don't like the energy
Speaker 1: in this house, some dark energy and I don't And
Speaker 1: I grab your head and I go, mom, it's the
Speaker 1: crown that you're adding and to be to be clear
Speaker 1: for for the reader. Um. When we when Matt came
Speaker 1: up with this bit, we really dug into how horrible
Speaker 1: that character. Yeah, no, for them to add another the
Speaker 1: only other black woman in the castle, which is shocking.
Speaker 1: It was so shocking when I I could not when
Speaker 1: she was sneaking those crystals into that room, I said,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? David E. Kelly? But literally it
Speaker 1: was like when you when the first episode that she's in,
Speaker 1: and then there's that first there's the dinner scene. The
Speaker 1: dinner scene is iconic, so and the actress kills it.
Speaker 1: And so I was thinking to myself when I was
Speaker 1: watching that, I'm like, this is so crazy because this
Speaker 1: actress that's playing Bonnie's mother is absolutely slaying this part.
Speaker 1: But I wonder why they're not. They don't have like
Speaker 1: a big star in this part. So my theory is
Speaker 1: Angela Basset or like Alfrey Wood. I bet they were
Speaker 1: out to all the fancy actresses and then they all
Speaker 1: were like, oh, I have one good scene and then
Speaker 1: she's a voodoo which and I'm in a coma from
Speaker 1: four episodes. Yeah no, I'm not doing this. I'm Angela Bassett.
Speaker 1: Yeah you know what I mean. Also, I don't know
Speaker 1: that that's what happened, And I'm actually happy that this
Speaker 1: actress booked depart because she at least got two episodes
Speaker 1: of good work, but she she was given not great material,
Speaker 1: but she was amazing that. I just think that really
Speaker 1: was like I guess they needed something like that to
Speaker 1: happen so that the Zoe Kravitz Bonnie character get to
Speaker 1: the point where she said that to her husband and
Speaker 1: like bucked up and went to the police station. But
Speaker 1: it was like, I don't know this. I thought the
Speaker 1: first two or three episodes were great, and then they
Speaker 1: had like a really weak middle, and then the finale
Speaker 1: I thought was good. I haven't finished. You haven't finished.
Speaker 1: I I fell behind and I looked at my c
Speaker 1: and I said, I would rather watch American Ninja Warrior
Speaker 1: right now than big little lies. And then when that happens,
Speaker 1: you really have to reconsider. You hate to hear it,
Speaker 1: you do. But the thing is, I just like wasn't
Speaker 1: engaged by the story. I kept being like, why did
Speaker 1: they lie? Like it is it is a set up
Speaker 1: at the end of the first season and you buy
Speaker 1: it and you're like, yes, okay, great, and then that
Speaker 1: you come they all come back and you're like, let's
Speaker 1: think about this. Doesn't ring? Do you know how it ends?
Speaker 1: I don't. Do you want it? Can we talk about it?
Speaker 1: Or do you want to watch it? You're not gonna
Speaker 1: watch I'll watch it, watch it. I don't want to.
Speaker 1: I don't want to. I don't want to talk about
Speaker 1: something that I haven't actually seen. I want to. I
Speaker 1: don't wanna be forced to defend or um, you know,
Speaker 1: sort of condemn and ending that I haven't seen. Here's
Speaker 1: what I'll say. The way that it ends, and I'm
Speaker 1: not going to say anything. The way that it ends
Speaker 1: made me feel like, oh, maybe we didn't need a
Speaker 1: second season m honestly, which is saying a lot, because
Speaker 1: it's like there were so many great moments and so
Speaker 1: many great performances, and it was just like the way
Speaker 1: that it ends. I was like, oh, I liked the
Speaker 1: ending that these characters had initially the first ending because
Speaker 1: to me, it's like there's a mixed message there, ye
Speaker 1: and it's a little dark. Well, none of us are
Speaker 1: going to ever be booked for any Reese Witherspoon project.
Speaker 1: We all went in for the teacher that we all
Speaker 1: gave us nothing to the camp. I'm sorry. I literally
Speaker 1: gorgeous man, beautiful man. But I was just like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I could have done this better. We all could have.
Speaker 1: We all could yeah, I mean maybe he like, why no,
Speaker 1: I didn't see your guys tapes? Actually no, but Matt
Speaker 1: and I did, you and I record itself team No.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to do that because we were going
Speaker 1: out for the same part and I didn't want us
Speaker 1: to copy each other. Right, But the thing is with
Speaker 1: you two, especially if you know that if they went
Speaker 1: with one or the other, it's completely different. Like the
Speaker 1: thing they wanted, well, the thing I just didn't. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I just I didn't want little like choices.
Speaker 1: I didn't want our choices to get confused. Okay, let's
Speaker 1: let's all do let's all three of us do the
Speaker 1: same line. Okay. The line is, what is the moral
Speaker 1: of Charlotte's Web Where's Amabella? Okay? I know that's not
Speaker 1: the line, but like, what is the moral Charlotte's Where's Abella? Like,
Speaker 1: I'll go first, what is the moral of Charlotte's Well,
Speaker 1: Where's Amabella? Okay? That's okay, that's okay. I gotta think
Speaker 1: about this. M And for me, it's about the tempo,
Speaker 1: you know, at the tempo, of course, this is compelling
Speaker 1: to listen and you're own time, and you're own time.
Speaker 1: And what's the moral of Charlotte's Web? Where's the Amabella?
Speaker 1: That's very good. I think that beats mine. Okay, Matt,
Speaker 1: And what is the moral? I'm Charlotte's Web? Where's Amabella? Wow? Listener, reader,
Speaker 1: you decide who books that? Please reach out. I thank
Speaker 1: you well. I think you went in a much different
Speaker 1: you know, a kid, we lost a kid. No, you know,
Speaker 1: it would have been the gag though, for any of
Speaker 1: us to do even a short scene with Nicole Kidman
Speaker 1: or Laura. That is true. There is a good honestly anybody.
Speaker 1: But honestly we we could have been in the room
Speaker 1: when she said that line about buying everyone polar bears. Oh,
Speaker 1: I love that line. We could have been sitting there
Speaker 1: watching her deliver that's so good. Why are we bad
Speaker 1: and didn't book? I don't know. We're just not stars ractors.
Speaker 1: I think what happens is we're not six ft five
Speaker 1: beautiful models. And that is sort of the issue of
Speaker 1: my life. I mean, the same yours, just mine, not
Speaker 1: you guys. Don't struggle, No no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I don't struggle. Did you fell in love on the Island.
Speaker 1: I did not follow in that on the Island, although
Speaker 1: I said this on the George Sveres episode. I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna fall in love on Fire Island. Did not
Speaker 1: follow in the one. Well, I'm glad we got that update.
Speaker 1: Oh thank you, because what do you mean No, I
Speaker 1: mean if you said you were going to fall and
Speaker 1: then you didn't, yeah, you know he didn't. There was
Speaker 1: I had a moment where that one guy, Oh, that
Speaker 1: one guy who just like but he like gave me
Speaker 1: a very like brotherly vibe because remember at the party,
Speaker 1: he was like, come here, and he just like pulls
Speaker 1: me in. It was like a camp counselor. I was.
Speaker 1: I was like, that's like the camp counselor I have
Speaker 1: a crush on. And then I was like and then
Speaker 1: I saw him at the pantry and I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's when I go to Fire Island
Speaker 1: for platonic hugs. Platonic Well it was. It was a
Speaker 1: sexy hug and Joel saw and then Joel afterwards goes like,
Speaker 1: go for it, and I was like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: And then and then it just wasn't the right thing.
Speaker 1: I The thing is is like platonic sex is what
Speaker 1: I think my thirties evolved. I have not every new
Speaker 1: friend I've made in my thirties, I very platonic sexual
Speaker 1: partner platonic sex with and I think it's great. I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: like anyways, like people in my close group of friends,
Speaker 1: does it sunk up intimacy for you? Though? Like it
Speaker 1: doesn't really doesn't. I find it to be like really
Speaker 1: really nice and special and it's actually made sex more special.
Speaker 1: And I have less sex um now because yeah, because
Speaker 1: I wanted to be because now I'm like have experienced
Speaker 1: it as like an intimate act of like you know,
Speaker 1: friendship and love of with a a person and want that.
Speaker 1: And yet I also don't think I ever, I don't
Speaker 1: think I I and you push back on this, I
Speaker 1: don't think I want a boyfriend ever. Ever. I think I'm,
Speaker 1: I think I am. I am. I'm sort of coming
Speaker 1: into myself and realizing about myself that I am not
Speaker 1: somebody who I think I wanted. I forced myself to
Speaker 1: want it for so long, and I am so much
Speaker 1: happier right now being alone, and I think I will
Speaker 1: continue to be happier alone um rather than with one
Speaker 1: other human. Yes, yes, it's not that I was pushing
Speaker 1: back on it. It's that it's that it's you said.
Speaker 1: You said it of like I'm not meant to be
Speaker 1: with someone I don't think, but well I don't. I mean,
Speaker 1: I am not disputing that you don't want a boyfriend
Speaker 1: right now. That's your choice to not want one. But
Speaker 1: I don't think that you're someone who's going to end
Speaker 1: up with without like a partner. I think that's the
Speaker 1: way you were saying. But I think that is true though,
Speaker 1: because I don't think I'm the kind of person who
Speaker 1: has space for that. We've had We've had friends who
Speaker 1: and you included, Matt, who have sort of said this,
Speaker 1: have have sort of like expressed the sentiment in some
Speaker 1: form like I'm not going to be with someone for
Speaker 1: for the long feu for like the far future. I
Speaker 1: will not be with someone like like um, like I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say his name is completely But for the longest
Speaker 1: time I was like, no, never gonna have a boyfriend again.
Speaker 1: And now it's like now like just based on this
Speaker 1: Vire Island trips, yeah, I'm starting to like actually date again.
Speaker 1: I don't know that that's gonna be it for me
Speaker 1: because I've always hated dating I and then then and
Speaker 1: I said this to you, the last three guys that
Speaker 1: I've had feelings for, like strong feelings for, strong romantic
Speaker 1: feelings for I have turned into a like a different
Speaker 1: person and not a person that I liked. And I
Speaker 1: always come out of it and look back on it
Speaker 1: and be like, who was that? I did not like
Speaker 1: that person? I do not like myself when I'm in
Speaker 1: that mode, and I guess like until the day comes
Speaker 1: that I find somebody who I am my best self
Speaker 1: and who doesn't change you, and yeah, who doesn't like
Speaker 1: get in by me and like change me and like
Speaker 1: make me needy and jealous and like whatever whatever. I'm
Speaker 1: just not going to go for it. And I'm not looking.
Speaker 1: And this isn't even me trying to trick the universe,
Speaker 1: because I've tried that before too, of being like I
Speaker 1: don't want it. I don't want to I don't want it, Okay,
Speaker 1: I said I don't want it, Please bring it into
Speaker 1: my life. I'm just like so happy like having a
Speaker 1: lot of these very like intimate sort of like friendships
Speaker 1: and it's and it's and it's feeling that it's like
Speaker 1: it's giving me everything that I need that you may find. Well,
Speaker 1: I feel like I don't know that. I feel like
Speaker 1: every every time I've ever got infatuated with someone, I
Speaker 1: chemically become like a crazy person, like and I that's
Speaker 1: why I feel like those things that and maybe those
Speaker 1: things that you were feeling experiencing, we're just infatuation. And
Speaker 1: like when when you find like a sort of like
Speaker 1: I love feeling for someone, it will feel different. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say that the things that I'm feeling right
Speaker 1: now for certain people that I like are not love feelings.
Speaker 1: But I'm just like realizing the older I get that
Speaker 1: it's less important that I'm not that. I just don't
Speaker 1: know that I have space the space in my life,
Speaker 1: like I like to be alone and I dip in
Speaker 1: and out of it like I would like to. I
Speaker 1: would like to date a couple. I would like to
Speaker 1: be the non primary partner for two to separate people. God,
Speaker 1: you know, I would like to be the Alice and
Speaker 1: Janny of their relationship. Best supporting actor. Come in, come in,
Speaker 1: give an amazing monologue, and you think you want more,
Speaker 1: but you don't right, Oh, but I always want more
Speaker 1: with he you think that, but you don't, but I don't.
Speaker 1: I had this thought last night where I was staying
Speaker 1: up until very late, like just working on writing, and
Speaker 1: I was just like what stop what? No. I was
Speaker 1: just thinking about something in relationship to my own situation, okay,
Speaker 1: and which I do want to talk about just very
Speaker 1: very briefly. But um, I was like, if I had,
Speaker 1: if I had, like if I was sharing, if I
Speaker 1: was living with someone like a like a like a
Speaker 1: significant other, like this would suck and this would be hard,
Speaker 1: and I would have like go to the other room,
Speaker 1: Like that's stupid. You do that all the time that
Speaker 1: I mean, the fact of the matter is like I
Speaker 1: would go when I was living with Henry. I would
Speaker 1: go into the next room all the time. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I just I'm I'm like drolling this way where I
Speaker 1: just fucking love my alone time. So but you don't
Speaker 1: have to sacrifice your alone time to be with someone
Speaker 1: you do not. You simply don't. God. But like I've
Speaker 1: just been dating guy and we've talked about this. I've
Speaker 1: just been dating guys lately who have just been like
Speaker 1: so demanding of my time, and like I've had to
Speaker 1: put in I've had to for whatever reason, do the
Speaker 1: work to make them feel comfortable or to make them
Speaker 1: enjoy the experience. And I'm like, why am I doing
Speaker 1: all the fucking work? I don't know anyway, but with Matt,
Speaker 1: because I remember, I mean like, of course, this is
Speaker 1: like fresh off your breakup with Well, the thing is like,
Speaker 1: I know what you're saying that, and I think what
Speaker 1: I said was I can't see myself putting that much
Speaker 1: energy into something because I know what it feels like
Speaker 1: to lose. It is like grieving a death. It is
Speaker 1: like going and it's it's hard and it hurts very bad.
Speaker 1: I mean, Catherine Cohen says it, it's like having a
Speaker 1: best friend and then they it is I mean literally,
Speaker 1: it's like she says it as a joke like in
Speaker 1: her in her standard, but it's like it's so it's
Speaker 1: actually so true. And the fact of the matter is
Speaker 1: like even people that you remain close with after your
Speaker 1: break up, like the relationship isn't the same, and over
Speaker 1: time it becomes you talk less and less and less
Speaker 1: and less to the point now where like, um, you
Speaker 1: don't see them much at all anymore, and you're still close.
Speaker 1: But it's like I was thinking the other day, like, uh,
Speaker 1: there's it's it's almost like a two and a half
Speaker 1: year relationship that kind of just happened, and I almost
Speaker 1: like it's hard for me to almost recall the details
Speaker 1: of it. I remember it in like broad emotional strokes,
Speaker 1: but I think, like honestly, like as amazing as it
Speaker 1: was when it was, Like the trauma of losing it
Speaker 1: like gets you to say things like I'm never doing
Speaker 1: that again because likely relationships will end, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Like, so it's it's hard, and it's like
Speaker 1: you do have to kind of like combat. It is
Speaker 1: like kind of going into like battle to do that.
Speaker 1: Like it's just hard. But I do think that if
Speaker 1: you stumble upon a situation where it's like two people
Speaker 1: willing to like try to do that, like you would
Speaker 1: owe it to yourself to to to try to see
Speaker 1: that happen. And I just feel like I just feel
Speaker 1: bad for people who, um not you guys. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying you guys. I feel bad for people who who you. Like.
Speaker 1: I've been in situations where I've presented like that I
Speaker 1: like someone to someone else and I've just watched them
Speaker 1: like completely shut down, and I'm like, wow, I hope
Speaker 1: that this is like something that you I hope this
Speaker 1: is something that works for you and you're okay with
Speaker 1: and not something that you're actively sad about. Because I
Speaker 1: like some people that I'm not like, no, not you're
Speaker 1: not you're not you'. I'm not talking about you. I'm
Speaker 1: talking about guys that I've dealt where it's like we'll
Speaker 1: have like an amazing like first situation together, or like
Speaker 1: it'll be very promising, and then I'll just get this sense,
Speaker 1: especially with gay men, where it's just like they want
Speaker 1: to run so fast from like intimacy, and it's like
Speaker 1: I don't want to be like that, and I wouldn't
Speaker 1: want to be with something like that because you have
Speaker 1: to work at them. My problem is oftentimes when someone
Speaker 1: when someone translates to me that they have like emotional issues,
Speaker 1: like I do the thing where it's like, oh, I
Speaker 1: should help, I will be the answer here. It's it's
Speaker 1: been such a pattern and so like it's been nice.
Speaker 1: It's just been nice for that to not be the case.
Speaker 1: That can be needy. I can be, but it's so funny.
Speaker 1: You know what's funny about Ariana Grande's album that the
Speaker 1: thank You Next album is the first one is there's Imagine,
Speaker 1: then Needy then NASA. So needy is like I can
Speaker 1: be needy, Like if you don't talk to back, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna act crazy, like don't tell me. So that is
Speaker 1: I feel that way. I mean, there's never a right answer.
Speaker 1: There's That is such a twentysomething album, Tim Platt coin
Speaker 1: this term like it's a twenty something. I'm like Beach Boys.
Speaker 1: Pet Sounds is a twenty something album where it's like
Speaker 1: pining and then like distancing and like truly or like
Speaker 1: vassily between all these crazy extremes and I feel like that,
Speaker 1: like the thinking next is like generationally, Like it's such
Speaker 1: a It's just so funny because like the two sentiments
Speaker 1: are literally opposite, but they're both great songs and they
Speaker 1: both work, and I both think they literally explain those
Speaker 1: situations well. And we contain multitudes, and we sure do
Speaker 1: contains contains multitude. This is the kind of thing that was.
Speaker 1: Like when I'm in a relationship, I am very tactile
Speaker 1: and very like, I'm not possessive, but I am like
Speaker 1: I like to be touching the person and I like
Speaker 1: to be like on top of them and like giving
Speaker 1: them kisses and stuff, and I love to cuddle at night.
Speaker 1: And then also there's another part of me that's like,
Speaker 1: I can't talk to you for twenty four hours. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm the same at the drop of a hat. Yep,
Speaker 1: ye same. Wow. That's why I feel almost happy that
Speaker 1: like the person I'm seeing now, like we have had
Speaker 1: realized that it was like a thing, and then we're
Speaker 1: immediately separated across the country. That's actually how dangerous though
Speaker 1: I don't emotionally dangerous because I out of here. I
Speaker 1: think it is because you when you live out the
Speaker 1: beginning stages of a relationship primarily over text at this stage,
Speaker 1: and it's different for in your situation is different because
Speaker 1: you have known this person for a while and you
Speaker 1: started out from so it's different. But I will say
Speaker 1: that in general, when I have had these situations occur
Speaker 1: and you live out that relationship in text, you build
Speaker 1: a different person in your brain and you build up,
Speaker 1: you know, this like tethered version of who they actually
Speaker 1: are in your brain, and then you get to them
Speaker 1: and it is and it all falls apart. That's happy,
Speaker 1: and that's happened recently. I get that. I mean, I
Speaker 1: hear that. I think that your situation is. We also
Speaker 1: speak on the phone a lot more than I've ever
Speaker 1: talked to anyone on the phone. He does love to
Speaker 1: call people on the phone. You're not unique. It's fine
Speaker 1: that I'm not unique. I just I'm not a phone person.
Speaker 1: But I will be for like someone that needs that.
Speaker 1: But I am not a phone person, and I am
Speaker 1: not a FaceTime person. Oh I'm a FaceTime face. I
Speaker 1: constantly FaceTime both of you. You don't FaceTime me of you,
Speaker 1: both of you, and I see you see it unavailable, unavailable.
Speaker 1: The last you FaceTime thrice a year. Bit that is
Speaker 1: not true. Yes, that is not true. Every single time
Speaker 1: I am care of a big facetimer. We facetimes a
Speaker 1: couple of times. You need a FaceTime. The last time
Speaker 1: you FaceTime me was when we were in Palm Springs
Speaker 1: and you were in Mexican Mexico can. Oh. But Joel
Speaker 1: and I a few months ago tried face timing a
Speaker 1: group FaceTime what you can do now, which truly see,
Speaker 1: I've never done it like since that. But like that
Speaker 1: was just you and me, and like we needed more
Speaker 1: people to make it feel like an actual experience. We
Speaker 1: need to do this. I've group facetimed a lot of
Speaker 1: people that are in the same bar, just like trying
Speaker 1: to find everybody. That's so it's not effective. It would
Speaker 1: be better to text um, but I just love to
Speaker 1: FaceTime and you guys don't answer. You never pick up
Speaker 1: my FaceTime. That's I've always picked up do you guys?
Speaker 1: Are you guys? Here? Here's the quest, here's a pole.
Speaker 1: Do you need to text the person first to let
Speaker 1: them know that you're about to face time? Okay? I
Speaker 1: never do No, I don't do that. Does it Does
Speaker 1: it increase your chance of them picking up? Though it's
Speaker 1: a set up, It's like setting up a meeting. It's like, okay, great,
Speaker 1: can I face time you in like ten minutes? I
Speaker 1: faced I FaceTime with my my therapist. That's the only
Speaker 1: person if that's great. No, he's the only one appointments with.
Speaker 1: He's the only one that picks up. Dr Neil, Stop,
Speaker 1: this is better. I used your code when you my
Speaker 1: jingle is catching on? Is that an ad tracy? Did?
Speaker 1: Did I count as? You? Guys get money? Now? We
Speaker 1: get money now? Okay, I think it's time. I think
Speaker 1: it's time. No, you always forget I always forget. I
Speaker 1: actually forgot to. It's forgot. Wait, um, I have one,
Speaker 1: I have one, I have one. Okay, this is um
Speaker 1: one second. This is I don't think so, honey. These
Speaker 1: is our second. When we take a minute to go
Speaker 1: off on something in culture, Matt, you'll start. This is
Speaker 1: Matt Rogers. I don't think so many times starts now,
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, Vincent van go Okay, dramatic bitch.
Speaker 1: Guess what. I have both my ears and I will
Speaker 1: become famous during my lifetime. Stupid poor I think that
Speaker 1: you are not even the best painter. Okay, I think
Speaker 1: that there were other painters that were much better, like
Speaker 1: Jackson and Pollock. Excuse me, and he kept both his ears. Honey, Hey,
Speaker 1: I hope that you have at least one of your
Speaker 1: ears now, Vincent van Gogh, because hear me when I
Speaker 1: say I don't think so. When I see that photograph
Speaker 1: of starry Night, when I say your picture of night,
Speaker 1: I think, okay, there's some promise here which we could
Speaker 1: have seen more. And then guess what we didn't. You
Speaker 1: are one portrait and one ear, and I think that
Speaker 1: you haven't even had a good movie made about you.
Speaker 1: Did William Dafoe play you? I don't even remember. I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. Vincent van Gogh more like Vincent
Speaker 1: van hell And that's one minute. That's that was a
Speaker 1: very good it really was. I like that, You're that
Speaker 1: was like Nanette. Honestly, that was like you hit a
Speaker 1: lot of the same thematic beats as Nanette. Here's why
Speaker 1: because I looked over at the at the library and
Speaker 1: there was there was a biography on Vincent van go
Speaker 1: and I was like, I have mine. Okay, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do mine on. I don't think so, honey, Randy shows
Speaker 1: and the band playing on it didn't play long enough.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, please, I don't think the band played on. Okay, wait,
Speaker 1: let's let's each one. I'm gonna do one off the
Speaker 1: bookshelf too. This is Bowen Yanks. I don't think so
Speaker 1: his time starved me out. I don't think so many
Speaker 1: Sigmund Freud, bitch, what are you saying? Oh, dreams are
Speaker 1: the unconscious way of resolving conflicts that the consciousnes to.
Speaker 1: That are that are too disturbing for the conscious? Bitch?
Speaker 1: I knew that. I knew that first, I bet before
Speaker 1: I was even born. And when you were fucking in
Speaker 1: school in in in Austria. I don't even know your life, bitch,
Speaker 1: Get a better get a better life story, get a
Speaker 1: better biography. All I know about you is that you
Speaker 1: think that all men want to suck their mothers, not
Speaker 1: if they're get everything about gay people. And I think
Speaker 1: he like, did you know whatever, Sigmund Freud. I truly
Speaker 1: slept through you in my high school psychology classes. I
Speaker 1: don't give a ship and and psych. I didn't even
Speaker 1: take high school psychology, but we did a brief scheme
Speaker 1: of you in my philosophy class because I was that
Speaker 1: bitch who was thinking in abstract terms and not doing
Speaker 1: soft science bullshit while I was in junior year five seconds,
Speaker 1: I was doing hard sciences and philosophy because I was
Speaker 1: watch a renaissance Man and I be that's one minute.
Speaker 1: You didn't take a P psych, no bit, because I was.
Speaker 1: I was first of all on I by and I
Speaker 1: was second of all. I was just like a P
Speaker 1: psych was was was like truly like the cop out
Speaker 1: a P. I'm sorry for all of my app You
Speaker 1: were so mean and nest. It was not it was
Speaker 1: not a real class. And I'm and people who took
Speaker 1: a P psych are underdeveloped people who will never realize
Speaker 1: their pretending exactly. I got a five on a PC. Yeah,
Speaker 1: exact exactly what what are? What we are? At the
Speaker 1: AP scores, I got a five on a P PSYCH.
Speaker 1: I got a five on AP English Lit. I got
Speaker 1: a five on AP English Comp. I got a three
Speaker 1: on AP Environmental Science. I got a two on AP
Speaker 1: American History. I got a two on AP European History,
Speaker 1: and that holy Piers two. Those are a lot of aps.
Speaker 1: I did okay on my toest scores. Never stop saying,
Speaker 1: oh came really clear. There's the the conversation keeps going
Speaker 1: and and let me just pull this up. Yeah, here's
Speaker 1: the thing, Like, if you asked me to stop singing,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to like that is I thought you
Speaker 1: were just going down to like kiss my shoe. Okay,
Speaker 1: here's here's can we just talk about this. Yeah, Matt
Speaker 1: needs to stop singing. These are reviews that a meeting
Speaker 1: of las Culturesta's first one, Matt needs to stop singing,
Speaker 1: please stop. Next one, mattould keep singing. Title says it all.
Speaker 1: Next one, Matt should never stop singing? Uh music known
Speaker 1: Emoji's next one best podcast ever. Keep singing, stop talking
Speaker 1: about astrology. Next, keep singing and keep talking about community
Speaker 1: is really engaging with each other on the reviews. And
Speaker 1: also we should say it's time for you all to
Speaker 1: write a review. If you haven't written one, please write
Speaker 1: a review. It really helps this out. And you know
Speaker 1: what iTunes is now that you know the podcast app
Speaker 1: has taken out the comedy charts. Yeah, why do they
Speaker 1: do that? Taking it all categories? They've lumped them all
Speaker 1: into one giant chart, right, Tracy Hot producer Tracy is
Speaker 1: she shook, still have a little Well, I don't understand
Speaker 1: what they're doing, but I did notice that that was gone. Yes,
Speaker 1: but anyway, um, you know, the landscapes changing. But send
Speaker 1: us a nice review in a rating. We would love that. Um, Jewel,
Speaker 1: are you ready for one? Yeah? I'm not going to
Speaker 1: do the bookshelf thing. I just I am not facing
Speaker 1: the bookshelves um in a way. And I was going
Speaker 1: to do Michelle Alexander as a joke. Um, but that's
Speaker 1: that's that's tough territory, territory. I was gonna say the
Speaker 1: new gym crow, we don't need a new one on me.
Speaker 1: But that's that was that was sort of the crux
Speaker 1: of UM, well let's hear what but you have something, Um,
Speaker 1: I think I have something. Yeah, this is DOLDKM boosters.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. As time starts now, I
Speaker 1: don't think so honey. Culture podcasts that bank episodes, Okay,
Speaker 1: listen here. I do not need to hear about the
Speaker 1: met gallops three months later from people talking about it
Speaker 1: like it happened yesterday, because I know that it did
Speaker 1: happen yesterday. And I know that some podcast so they
Speaker 1: split in one podcast host goes and lives on a
Speaker 1: different coast for several months and it makes it difficult
Speaker 1: for them to record episodes. But do not make that
Speaker 1: our problems. Figure it out, because we want to be
Speaker 1: able to talk about now. We want to be able
Speaker 1: to talk about the things that now. We want to
Speaker 1: be talking about our projects that are happening now. Okay, bitch.
Speaker 1: We do not know to hear the months later and
Speaker 1: to know to know that there are things happening on
Speaker 1: the media, in the media, in the radio, people talking
Speaker 1: there are happening on the radio every day that we
Speaker 1: are not able to hear your takes on because they
Speaker 1: are banked to the high heavens, I do not think so, honey,
Speaker 1: record them and release them immediately. That's you know, it
Speaker 1: is famously rule culture number ten. Current events are happening
Speaker 1: as we speak, and um, it's it's very difficult to
Speaker 1: not be able to cover this. You listen to myself
Speaker 1: speak about mar Rubles end game in Texas months after that,
Speaker 1: humiliating did you get did you get a bunch of hate?
Speaker 1: DM people people DM me me and saying your takes
Speaker 1: are old, so old, and to ask you about to
Speaker 1: ask you about the actress, and then listen to the
Speaker 1: episodes that were banked before and here you talk about it.
Speaker 1: Three humiliating, humiliating. Fine, you know what as a guest
Speaker 1: host in your house, in your home? And are we
Speaker 1: going to do because I'm I am going, I'm moving?
Speaker 1: Are you are you going to fly get into a
Speaker 1: studio Los Angeles on your brakes? I will, I gotta
Speaker 1: say for some of my some of my brakes, I
Speaker 1: will be needing to go on vacation and not in
Speaker 1: a place that's lay Well, then what are we going
Speaker 1: to do not have episode? We Well, we can do
Speaker 1: what vacation? You can do? What Tony Newsom and entry
Speaker 1: t do, which is they'll do it sort of, one
Speaker 1: of them will do it over a phone. Now I'm
Speaker 1: not doing one of us. Sounds garbled. No, you should
Speaker 1: find I figure at the studio because like you can
Speaker 1: do recordings, you can each go into like a studio
Speaker 1: and it sounds seamless. But there's something about and look,
Speaker 1: this is it. This is this is testing, this is
Speaker 1: this is needing to be in the room to book,
Speaker 1: something about being in the same room as us when
Speaker 1: we're with our guests. I'm telling you right now, I'm
Speaker 1: not doing a phone thing. You hear that, Tracy, I'm
Speaker 1: not doing it, and Bowen will have to boone will
Speaker 1: have to um, okay, Tracy knows, Tracy will Tracy will
Speaker 1: propose something absolutely well. I guess we'll get a proposal
Speaker 1: after this. But Bowen Yang does not need to go
Speaker 1: on vacation for two weeks. During his breaks. He can
Speaker 1: come for a little bit and then we can make
Speaker 1: a compromise him. I've been yeah, whatever, you've been what
Speaker 1: I've been working NonStop for the past. Then you can
Speaker 1: go on. You can go on a five or six
Speaker 1: day break and then one of them and then one
Speaker 1: day you can come to Los Angeles and record episodes
Speaker 1: with me, but then we'd still be banking it Like
Speaker 1: this just still doesn't solve the problem, my problem. It
Speaker 1: wouldn't be aggressive banking. It would be re record three
Speaker 1: episodes or so, and then by the time there's another break,
Speaker 1: then I go to New York and do it with you.
Speaker 1: That's how that works. It's called compromise. There's something about
Speaker 1: like a culture podcast talking about culture that's happening as
Speaker 1: it happens, right, but what are you what? What is
Speaker 1: the thing that you're expressing as the solution to this?
Speaker 1: Honestly a supplement where you and I go on Instagram
Speaker 1: Live together. That's not the podcast that's Instagram Live. So
Speaker 1: it looks it feels like you are the one that's stopping,
Speaker 1: or it feels like Joel has really thrown a fucking
Speaker 1: wrench into this, and it's like, because I you know what, Joel,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe because we'll both be in l A, we
Speaker 1: can just do last culture together. Everyone and iron interchangeable.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. The first night, the first night on
Speaker 1: this Asian man a person of color has numerous literally
Speaker 1: taught me on the shoulder while Bowen was stepped away
Speaker 1: from me and said Bowen and I said no, and
Speaker 1: then he said Bowen Yang and I said no, and
Speaker 1: then he said, yes, you are as though I were
Speaker 1: trying to be like demure and lie about my identity
Speaker 1: as bow and Yang and I said no, I'm not.
Speaker 1: And he's like, oh, you look just like him, and
Speaker 1: then walked away. Unbelievable, and then before a prominent Asian
Speaker 1: person in the media, and yeah, you know, I need
Speaker 1: to apologize. I sent them a dressing down in an
Speaker 1: email that was wild. But what you should have done
Speaker 1: is you should have turned him around and and and
Speaker 1: then he would have been like I should have said
Speaker 1: technical strange. Honestly I should I should have. I should
Speaker 1: have been like, no, honey, that's bow and Yang. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's who you. And then I would have without keeping
Speaker 1: a beat, gone and that's Joel Kim Booster and bitch,
Speaker 1: who are you? Who are you? Oh my god, that
Speaker 1: would have hurt. I'm gonna say this, I give both
Speaker 1: of you my blessing. Um, I want a stepping down.
Speaker 1: I just want to say to all the all the
Speaker 1: listeners out there, Bowen Yang would rather go on vacation
Speaker 1: than make sure that he was here for the podcast
Speaker 1: with you. And that's literally what he's saying. He's saying,
Speaker 1: candid over to Joe Kim, That's what he's saying. I
Speaker 1: think I think it would it would be it would
Speaker 1: elevate the dialogue, it would elevate everything. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: the public victim narrative here, we know being a victim,
Speaker 1: morose of it all, Bonnie, I don't like the energy
Speaker 1: in this house at all. God, this dark energy. I
Speaker 1: simply won't have the time because I will announce now
Speaker 1: because by the time this comes out, it will be
Speaker 1: announced that Mitri, Joe, Harry and I are doing our
Speaker 1: own podcast, Urgent Care. It is a colony of Vice show.
Speaker 1: That's right, Joel and Mitra are on your Wolf. That
Speaker 1: does not mean that you can't be on our pod,
Speaker 1: because I'll need to have episodes. I mean, the people
Speaker 1: need the episode. This is not for you, This is
Speaker 1: it's very much for me, I for your listenership. The
Speaker 1: co mingling extended universe of Elsie, which also reaches out
Speaker 1: into Earwolf territory as Elsie seek treatment. Is this racist
Speaker 1: and soon or don't care? I think those the hosts,
Speaker 1: they are going to be like just a little swinging
Speaker 1: doors for everybody. Tracy is making a face because we
Speaker 1: all know it's not true. You are going to come
Speaker 1: and record episodes of me or I'll come to you.
Speaker 1: That is what will happen. But we're still banking episodes.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter their episodes are good. It's Joel sam
Speaker 1: is stupid. Joel Joel so dumb. No, I mean you
Speaker 1: banked Betty Gilbin episode and it was very good. You
Speaker 1: managed to get on top of Maryann like. Yes, we've
Speaker 1: been doing a great job except except what except except now?
Speaker 1: But we're making it a point to release this. You
Speaker 1: please watch Sunnyside tomorrow tomorrow night. Oh my god, it's nuts.
Speaker 1: I'm actually scared because this is the first time I'll
Speaker 1: be shooting something while it's airing, and I'm afraid. I'm
Speaker 1: afraid that it will influence Well, don't watch it, That's
Speaker 1: what I would say. That's what's ever watched yourself? Ever? Ever,
Speaker 1: you've never seen it. I don't know if I can
Speaker 1: I know I can do that. I don't know if
Speaker 1: I could have this. Yeah, I can do it. I
Speaker 1: can do it, but I probably couldn't either. I'm too nice.
Speaker 1: But you know what, don't look at like reviews or
Speaker 1: don't look at ratings. That'll be really hard. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have to stay off. If someone can tell you, like
Speaker 1: to have me look it up for you. Okay, great,
Speaker 1: I will. I will be happy to do. We close
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