1 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: My question is I haven't found an adequate answer. So 2 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: Trump's doing a lot of stuff, signing a lot of papers. 3 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: What was stopping Biden from doing? Just this is my 4 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: question ramming stuff through? 5 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 2: Right, this is my question. 6 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 3: Well, I mean it's a combination of like weakness and 7 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 3: he doesn't actually want good stuff to happen. 8 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. 9 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 4: Well, he had the power to do plenty of stuff 10 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 4: and he just didn't do it. 11 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, because he really was putting it out there like 12 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: his fucking hands are tight. I'm like, well, I mean 13 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 1: you could just sign a bunch of papers like this 14 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:44,480 Speaker 1: dude is doing and let the courts sort it out. 15 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 4: Yeah. His assertion would be if I do this, then 16 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:52,200 Speaker 4: we'll do that. Yeah. 17 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 2: But it's it was like dumb on his face. Yeah, 18 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 2: it's just the whole we go they go low, we 19 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 2: go high. Yeah, miss Yeah, they're just like that is 20 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 2: their entire philosophy. 21 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:07,479 Speaker 4: It's very frustrating where it's just. 22 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 2: Like I thought the couldn't do shit. It's just why 23 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 2: was he always throwing his hands? Yeah, that's it goes 24 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:16,040 Speaker 2: back to my theory that he just had a profound 25 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 2: futility fetish Biden where like he he passes bills that 26 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 2: then get shot down and then goes home and like 27 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 2: Jack's off to that feeling somehow like that's that's what 28 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:29,119 Speaker 2: he's in it. Well, that's good stuff. 29 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:30,639 Speaker 4: Just justice theater. 30 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 3: I mean, I think that the results for Democrats speak 31 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:38,960 Speaker 3: for themselves is they don't actually want they want this also, yeah, 32 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 3: or they don't mind some of the bad stuff and 33 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 3: they like all the financial. 34 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 2: Stuff, right yeah. So someone there's a tweet that was 35 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 2: like I get to choose between the klu Klux Klan 36 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 2: and Lockheed Martin every four years until the asteroid hits, 37 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 2: and that does like what it is. I there is 38 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 2: an aspect of the psychology of like, you know, being 39 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:08,359 Speaker 2: raised Catholic, Like I think like mel Gibson and Joe 40 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 2: Biden both have this thing where like there's some honor 41 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 2: and it's it's in. It's in like the Rocky movies too, 42 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 2: where it's like the thing that is cool is like 43 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 2: getting the ship kicked out of you, like that is 44 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 2: somehow the honorable thing I was raised with that I like, 45 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 2: you know, like Karate Kid is also this way. These 46 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 2: stories were like how many times you get exactly and 47 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 2: that to no effect, for no purpose, like I really 48 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:43,079 Speaker 2: like Rocky. 49 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 4: You know they count the knot down in that's against you. 50 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 2: Man, you're losing so bad on points like you're getting 51 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 2: also like smoked, you then do have to wear it 52 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 2: is it's a little thing, exactly. 53 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 4: It's the number of times you get back off and 54 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 4: then and. 55 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 2: Then went yes exactly. But they have a loser mentality 56 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 2: that is uh like hurting people. I just think he 57 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 2: really like has that, like he thinks there's honor in 58 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 2: doing what he perceives as the right honorable thing and 59 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 2: fucking losing badly and being like, but I remember a 60 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 2: time when I could have, you know, grab steak and 61 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 2: eggs with Strom Thurman, and it's just like, well that's what, Yeah, 62 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 2: that's on you for you shouldn't have done that. 63 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 4: Liver and onions. 64 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, well Strom had liver and onions. Joe. Joe was 65 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 2: always the steak and eggs, carried it in his lunch 66 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 2: pail on the fucking train. It was cold by the 67 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 2: time it got there. Yeah, I don't know. I I 68 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 2: truly think there's like something I keep talking about his 69 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 2: futility fetish, and I I think like there's something to it, 70 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 2: like legit that there's like something about getting the ship 71 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 2: beat out of you, and like the way that some 72 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 2: versions of Catholicism like interpret, uh, you know the story 73 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 2: of Jesus that like really fetishizes that. 74 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe it was bad to worship a guy who 75 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: got his ass completely handed to him. 76 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know, there are different parts that you 77 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 2: can focus on. But if your main focus is the 78 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 2: getting your ass handed to him, and you make a 79 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 2: movie that is two hours of him just getting whipped 80 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 2: brutally and like that is the meaning of his life 81 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 2: for you as far as you're concerned, then yeah, it's 82 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 2: gonna send you down some weird paths. 83 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, because people. 84 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: Really do focus on the torture aspect instead of like 85 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: the cool stuff like like. 86 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 4: The wine thing water taking. 87 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 5: The end of his life, like if the yeah, philosophy 88 00:04:57,800 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 5: is a foot. 89 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 3: Until you shoot the moon via divine magic, Like yeah, 90 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 3: where where does the bad ship? 91 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 2: Because we talking about crypto now, Brian, We're always talking 92 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:20,239 Speaker 2: about crypto. Hello the Internet and welcome to this week 93 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 2: trend edition of at Least Guys Stay of iHeart Radio. Yes, 94 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 2: very precise my mic sounds Nights. I'm thrilled to be 95 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 2: joined in this episode. In Air miles seat by a 96 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:41,039 Speaker 2: very funny TV writer and producer the host of the 97 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:50,559 Speaker 2: Josas Racist podcast. It's Andrew Up, oh Man. So good, 98 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 2: so good, so good. 99 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 4: Life is going good. World good. 100 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 2: Let's just go with that. Let's just say every day 101 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 2: everything good. 102 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 4: At least we got a little rain in La. 103 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 2: We did get a little rain. Uh, that's my underrate 104 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 2: it is we needed it so bad, didn't and we 105 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 2: needed it. 106 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 3: I guess we're gonna We're just our city government is 107 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 3: simply not gonna tell us how much toxic sludge the 108 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 3: rain generated. 109 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 4: A toxic sludges. Yeah, how toxic is it? It can't 110 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 4: be good. 111 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. The the air is so clear now, which is 112 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 2: so very very nice after you know, the wildfires to 113 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 2: to be able to like see hills and you know, 114 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 2: plant things that were you know, you you had to 115 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 2: squinch to even know we're there for a while now. 116 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 2: But that does beg the question where'd all that stuff go? 117 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:48,280 Speaker 2: Those in the air before? And it's on the ground 118 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 2: and on the ground and the water. Yeah, so I 119 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 2: guess it's like it's just fucked up. Best case scenario 120 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 2: where in the water. Best case scenario means in the ocean, yeah, 121 00:06:58,760 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 2: that's right. 122 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 4: Probably, yeah, yeah, I guess. 123 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 2: All right, Andrew, this is the episode where we tell 124 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 2: people what was trending over the weekend. But first we 125 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 2: let them get to know us a little bit better 126 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 2: by telling them something we think is overrated, something we 127 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 2: think is underrated. Why don't I start us off with 128 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 2: something I think is overrated. I just heard that. I 129 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 2: hadn't heard this in a while, but I heard somebody 130 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 2: say it's best thing since sliced bread this morning, and 131 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 2: in the context of our recent discussion on processed food, Yeah, 132 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 2: that one hits different. I'm gonna say, because I don't know, 133 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 2: it's it's just the go to, you know, exhibit for 134 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 2: greatest invention? Why did people not have? 135 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: Not? 136 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 2: I have so many knives now, not to brag, but 137 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 2: like I got sore. I can. I can slice the 138 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 2: fuck out of bread, and you know, I try to 139 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 2: buy loaves of bread that yeah, like the whole ass 140 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 2: loaves of bread like a fucking g And I don't know, like, 141 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 2: so the efficiency not it's not that much more efficient. 142 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 2: My number of knives I have my knife drawers overwhelming. 143 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 2: In many cases, the only way it's scientifically possible to 144 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 2: have sliced bread that's not like hardened into a series 145 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 2: of like monoliths, is with loads of ultra processed I was. 146 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 3: Gonna say that that is probably the the actual innovation 147 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 3: of slice bread has to be like preservatives. 148 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, they didn't. It's not just somebody thought of 149 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 2: cutting the bread. It's like somebody invented a chemical that 150 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 2: you could put on the bread to make it. Yeah, 151 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 2: it's like being like the best best invention since pre 152 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 2: rolled cigarettes started taking us to flavor town. All right, 153 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 2: I mean I. 154 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 3: Get if you don't have the preservatives, you get a 155 00:08:56,800 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 3: feastables just mold all the way up and down. 156 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:04,319 Speaker 4: That's right, Dale is the best case scenario, right exactly. 157 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 2: So I don't know. I I do love a nice 158 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 2: whole loaf of bread, take it home, put it in 159 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 2: a a big bag, and uh it usually stays push 160 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 2: for like a few days. 161 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 4: This is crazy. 162 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 3: My my overrated is eating healthy because I bought myself 163 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 3: a loaf of wonderbread this last week. Can I just 164 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 3: tell you, as a grown ass man who is mostly 165 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 3: spent his recent year and a. 166 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 4: Half try to eat well, wonderbread is so good. 167 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 2: It's so fucking good. It's incredible. It's so wild. Yeah, 168 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 2: I was, I was talking you. I tried. I had 169 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 2: a crustable for the first time the other day, and 170 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 2: it's basically like wonderbread turned into a hot pocket. 171 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 3: Crustaball is It's like a peanut butter jelly inside. 172 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 4: Of of like a white bread, a white. 173 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 2: Bread like strudle, you know, like maybe yeah, just a 174 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 2: giant white wonder bread ravioli. And I was like, holy shit, 175 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 2: this is The texture of the bread is so pillowy. 176 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, I guess it's just like white 177 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 3: people bow or like right, yeah, because it's that it's 178 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 3: all the stuff. 179 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:19,559 Speaker 4: It's like bleached flour. 180 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 3: It's a little sweet or a lot sweet in case 181 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 3: of across the balls, and it's just like a like 182 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 3: a thing you can kind of hold your hand. 183 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 4: That is like, oh my god. Can I just say 184 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 4: I did. 185 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 3: Probably see this on a cooking YouTube somewhere, but my 186 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:35,319 Speaker 3: pro tip for making a sandwich with wonderbread. 187 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 4: You can't toast in the toaster. I mean you can't. 188 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 3: You can't do this by toasting the toaster, but use 189 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,199 Speaker 3: a skillet to toast only one side of. 190 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 2: It, Okay, just one side in butter or you're just 191 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 2: like putting it raw. I was. 192 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 3: I was not like wiping out my cast iron super efficiently. 193 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 3: So there was kind of just the residual seasoning of 194 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 3: whatever the fuck, but I didn't add extra fat. But 195 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:03,439 Speaker 3: basically having one crispy side of the bread and one 196 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 3: like wonderful hilloy side, so fucking good, My god, crust 197 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:13,359 Speaker 3: goes out, which so like it's basically like goes inside 198 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:18,199 Speaker 3: crusty side goes inside crusty. You use that as the 199 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 3: basis for like your mayonnaise or your you know, mustards 200 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 3: or whatever normal sandwich, and then so outside you get 201 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 3: like super super pillowy. But then when your teeth go in, 202 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 3: you find a crunch in the middle. 203 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 2: Well, people probably didn't know they were getting one of 204 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 2: like a point counterpoint crossfire style show today. But my 205 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 2: overrated as sliced bread, you're underrated is wonderbread. Yeah yeah, 206 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 2: and we solved it. I think I think you're right 207 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 2: and I'm wrong. But maybe I just feel like we 208 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:57,959 Speaker 2: need a better like exhibit A for great innovations. Yeah yeah, yeah. 209 00:11:57,800 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's more your point. 210 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 3: Also silly to I mean, look, it's gonna be the 211 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 3: great innovation is gonna be once again the polio vaccine 212 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 3: in about fucking five years. The once we have a 213 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 3: generation of children fucking nimed by polio, we're gonna want 214 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 3: the vaccine again allegedly. 215 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know. 216 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 2: We'll see he's getting confirmed or I don't know, maybe not, 217 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 2: he's getting examined. Uh yeah, you know he's got his 218 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 2: confirmation hearing this week. RFK. We'll see how that goes. 219 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 2: As we talked about last time with Pete Hegseth, where 220 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 2: everyone was like this guy's there's got no chance. It's 221 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 2: like literally almost everybody makes it through. Like everybody gets through. 222 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 3: It's I mean, it's this this is sort of baked 223 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 3: into the election, like like it's it's gonna happen. It 224 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 3: doesn't really matter. I mean it does, but it doesn't 225 00:12:56,000 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 3: matter more than what already happened. I guess, like it's 226 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:04,479 Speaker 3: it's just like like we're you know where we're finally 227 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 3: cashing in. You know, all the Supreme Court decisions for 228 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 3: the next like our lifetimes, they were determined like five 229 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 3: years ago, so it feels bad to watch them incoming. 230 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 3: But it's not time to fight. Time to fight will 231 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 3: have been a decade or more ago, and we lost 232 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 3: the fight. 233 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:26,199 Speaker 2: We lost the fight. 234 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 4: We're losing. Yeah, it's a new fight. 235 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, America doesn't doesn't like to admit that, but yeah, 236 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 2: yeah what is Let's see, what's something you think is? 237 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 2: So you've given me you're underrated? Do you have something 238 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:39,679 Speaker 2: you thinks overrated? 239 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I guess this is going to not sound well, 240 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 3: I'll just put it as classic movies. I know, overrated 241 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 3: even me as an old person. Yeah, I know, like whatever, 242 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 3: my attention span is as not obviously as cooked as 243 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 3: you're average gen zer. But it's not great. But yeah, 244 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 3: I don't like I think to me, the biggest example 245 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 3: is when I watch No, well no, I'm worried. 246 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:13,439 Speaker 4: I said this on the show already. 247 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 3: But I watched Star Wars with some like, you know, 248 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 3: normal children, none of my friend's kids, and watching their 249 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 3: eyes glaze over at the pace of Star Wars, which 250 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 3: when I was growing up is not only to me, 251 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 3: was the most thrilling thing possible. When it came out, 252 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 3: people were like, this is the death of cinema. People 253 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 3: won't be able to like understand anything anymore. And like 254 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 3: Star Wars has multiple boardroom scenes like a New Hope. 255 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 2: Yes, somebody gets force choked in a couple of them, but. 256 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, sure, sure there is like an ending, but it 257 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 5: really mostly is fucking like fifteen hockeys sitting around a 258 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 5: long table arguing. 259 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 2: You're like, this is crazy, and next the kids are 260 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 2: going to want to see procedures. 261 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm just saying, like, obviously it would be 262 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 3: nicer if everyone was smarter. But I do think just 263 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 3: like our brains are processing everything differently and nothing is classic. 264 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, the I I talked about this a lot when 265 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 2: I was like, there's that thing, the Flynn effect, where 266 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 2: like you know, IQ studies are bullshit and you know, 267 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 2: not a good normative judgment or objective judgment of like 268 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 2: any anything of value. But I do think it's interesting 269 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 2: that they were like going up for decades and decades 270 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 2: just to cross like in every country, they were just 271 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 2: like going up and up and up. And I always 272 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 2: thought like there was something with how much more complicated 273 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 2: the field of information is that like people have to 274 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 2: deal with and like you can kind of see it 275 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 2: in old media when you like watch The Godfather, and 276 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 2: like they felt like they needed to show somebody walking 277 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 2: down a hallway to get to the room where they 278 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 2: were going for you to understand like how they got 279 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 2: there or something right, or like you watch old movie 280 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 2: trailers and they like have to tell you the whole story, 281 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 2: like just like hold your hands through it and just 282 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 2: be like, this is John McClain. He is the New 283 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 2: York cop who's having a bad day. Here he is 284 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 2: in California. 285 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 3: Every every movie trailer used to be the log line 286 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 3: or not the log line, the outline of the av 287 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 3: act one. 288 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, like fully everything until right. 289 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, they just had to hold your hand all the 290 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 2: way through it. I feel like there's yeah, like some 291 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 2: of the stuff that was treated as like schlock, Like 292 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 2: when I was young, people were like real worried about 293 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 2: MTV editing and like Michael Bay like having to cut 294 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 2: a thousand times per second. Yeah, and it's just like yeah, 295 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 2: but like that becomes a part of people's visual like 296 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 2: vocabulary and they have to they like learn to process 297 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 2: that really really quickly. 298 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 4: Yeah. 299 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 2: So it's just people are better at processing complicated information. 300 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 2: Now I don't know that it's done us much good, 301 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 2: but uh, well, before it's all tied in together, we're. 302 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:21,640 Speaker 3: Better at perceiving lots of information of low complexity. We're 303 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 3: better at perceiving information in a complicated way, I would say, 304 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 3: and work the processing complicated stuff. 305 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 2: Definitely not better at getting to the truth in any way, yeah, 306 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 2: but better at reading what is there? I think, reading 307 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 2: someone's intent or something yeah, yeah, yeah, or like. 308 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 3: I got it, I got it, what's I got? Let's go, 309 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 3: what's the next thing. I mean, I don't think it's 310 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 3: like inherently bad. Maybe yeah, I don't think evidence the 311 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 3: evidence actually is that it is inherently bad in a 312 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 3: way that we can't perceive, right. 313 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like it's people being like, yeah, I get it, 314 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 2: And now let's move on to you telling me why 315 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 2: nine to eleven was an inside job because I need 316 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 2: like another hit of something, you know. 317 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 3: I guess it's just corruptible and everything has to become 318 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 3: a like like an not an argument from authority. But 319 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 3: just like when you have so many conflicting things, all 320 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:20,679 Speaker 3: you can do is use like gravitas, not gravitas, but 321 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 3: trust ability or you know, something like the reason, yeah, 322 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 3: the reason Elon Musk has people who believe everything he 323 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 3: says is because he had a track record in one thing. 324 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 4: Whether that track record is fake, it's fake, but like, 325 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 4: it's it's. 326 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 3: Wild that, like I guess to me maybe because I 327 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 3: I like like to me, Joe Rogan is probably the 328 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 3: pinnacle of this because as a like, like I actually 329 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 3: like jiu jitsu, I like em man. Yeah, and he's 330 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:56,119 Speaker 3: absolutely correct about those things and. 331 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 2: And their way. 332 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:02,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like it's so like it's frustrating watch watching 333 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 3: this guy who's like really good about whether or not 334 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 3: this is a good like you know, it's it's easy 335 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 3: to advance your your position in wrestling from here. 336 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 337 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 3: Watching that guy opine about science in general or like 338 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 3: how society should be structured is wild because I'm like, yeah, 339 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:22,400 Speaker 3: he using the same tone of voice, you sound the same, 340 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 3: and you are right about thing A. 341 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:26,159 Speaker 4: Sure you're so wrong about thing B. 342 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's like I think that is unfortunately we 343 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 3: just have to shorthand everything, and our algorithms are exploitable, 344 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 3: and they're being exploited. 345 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 2: And they're just pursuing the most interesting thing that they 346 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:40,439 Speaker 2: can find in the moment, the thing that's light up 347 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 2: the brain, regardless of truth. And so that's yeah, he's 348 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 2: just sitting there just being like that's interesting, man. That's yeah, 349 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:52,400 Speaker 2: because don't tell you about that. 350 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 5: I heard that's been proven, right, all right, hard turn 351 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 5: my underrated. 352 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 2: This is very very loose, very loosely researched. But so 353 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,359 Speaker 2: my kid was asking about a camping trip that we 354 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:11,400 Speaker 2: took from a couple of years ago where there were 355 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 2: like no real activities. Like the plan was like camp outside. 356 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 2: It was too cold, so we stayed in what looked 357 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 2: like just a random suburban house, but like it was 358 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 2: a big you know, it was a cub Scout troops, 359 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 2: so it was like a big group of people staying 360 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:28,399 Speaker 2: in like tons of bunk beds, big common room, just 361 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:31,479 Speaker 2: a bunch of people in a big house in not 362 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:34,640 Speaker 2: even really the woods, but like just playing board games 363 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 2: and like making dinner together. And he brings this up. 364 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 2: We've gone camping since then, like on you know, with 365 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:46,199 Speaker 2: like had like really cool proper camping experiences in nature, 366 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:49,919 Speaker 2: and he like brings that one up repeatedly, and I 367 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 2: was like, that's weird that he's so into that one. 368 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 2: And I remember, so I was like thinking about when 369 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,360 Speaker 2: I was a kid, like my eighth grade class did 370 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 2: a like end of year lock in where like everybody 371 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 2: like stayed at school like overnight, like everybody just had 372 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 2: like a big sleepover, Like we had church overnights. Like 373 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,640 Speaker 2: the place I least wanted to be in the universe 374 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 2: was ever like church church stuff. But like these overnights 375 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 2: are like a you know, fun memory from when I 376 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 2: was a kids. And when you read like deep like 377 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 2: the big history books, they're like, yeah, that's actually the 378 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:32,360 Speaker 2: natural way. Like we want to be around people. It's 379 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 2: not natural to just be like closed off in your 380 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:39,479 Speaker 2: nuclear family and you know, oh, you know, like being 381 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 2: in a big group with like big room with a 382 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 2: bunch of people, like making food together and like everybody's 383 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 2: just like kind of you know, sharing parenting and just 384 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 2: you know that I don't know. In addition to the 385 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 2: the children marve the commmar is the watch Midsommary. I 386 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:03,879 Speaker 2: still but yeah, I'm saying that children crave the communes. 387 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 2: You're gonna love it. Yeah, it sounds it sounds like 388 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 2: it's right up my alley. 389 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:09,919 Speaker 4: Just just have your kids watch it. 390 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 3: You got to stop it probably forty five minutes, but 391 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 3: you're gonna love the first part. 392 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I do need to watch that. It's on 393 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:20,119 Speaker 2: my list. It's just every time it's time to watch it. 394 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 2: I'm like two and a half hours for really it's 395 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 2: it's it's a pleasant Yeah, well now I'm sold. 396 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 4: It's good. 397 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 2: It's just pretty like yeah, yeah, this is like the 398 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 2: fourth time somebody's brought up Midsommer to me in the 399 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 2: past couple of weeks. So this is but this is 400 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 2: my sign to watch it, mainly because I keep trying 401 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,120 Speaker 2: to start a commune. So yeah, yeah, I think why 402 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:47,159 Speaker 2: people are bringing. 403 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:48,880 Speaker 3: I mean, it feels like you're you're like big, you're 404 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 3: great hall, great hall life. 405 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, longhouse, Let's let's get a long house that you want. 406 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, boy, you're gonna love the first thirty five minutes 407 00:22:58,440 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 3: of Midsummer. 408 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 2: This works, This is great. Yeah, so that's my underrated 409 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:07,919 Speaker 2: is all right bretted movies. 410 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,360 Speaker 3: Hey, listen, society is on a path where we might 411 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:16,199 Speaker 3: not have a choice. 412 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 2: We're gonna need to find something else. That's it feels 413 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:20,439 Speaker 2: like we're going to need to find something. 414 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 3: Find your community, find the people that will protect you, 415 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,920 Speaker 3: and gather them into a big house. 416 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:31,719 Speaker 2: That might be where we're headed. All right, let's take 417 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 2: a quick break. We'll come back and we'll talk about 418 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:48,640 Speaker 2: some news. And we're back and as we are recording this, 419 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 2: the stock market is having a bad day, and Andrew, 420 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 2: you hate to see that that's our number one. 421 00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 4: Value tragically being lost. 422 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, in line with our overall theory that like every 423 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 2: time something good for people happens, like the stock market 424 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,400 Speaker 2: goes down and when they're like we're actually firing half 425 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 2: the US workforce, Yeah, stock market goes up. It's like 426 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 2: a great inverse indicator of how like people's lives are. 427 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 3: I mean, I think they're I guess there can probably 428 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 3: be edge cases or different ways. I mean, it's it's 429 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 3: a different economy. 430 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 4: And the globe is the globe. 431 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 3: But like that was the only thing that got Berlasconi 432 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:27,920 Speaker 3: out as he finally tanked the Italian economy. 433 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:29,919 Speaker 4: Like you could do all the other shit. I'm just saying. 434 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:34,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, in post twentieth century, it might be that the 435 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,239 Speaker 3: only way to get a fascist out of power is 436 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:40,680 Speaker 3: to tech stockmarks of the people who are propping them up. 437 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 4: Yeah. 438 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 2: Maybe, I mean, people are so concerned about the price 439 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:48,640 Speaker 2: of eggs, man, those are just getting worse. They're going 440 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,640 Speaker 2: the direction of fucking Diama, Like they're yeah. 441 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 3: Just to fucking by the way, get it, get some 442 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 3: chickens full exactly. 443 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 2: That really feels like the choice that a lot of 444 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 2: people are gonna make. But of course then you'll kind 445 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 2: of be giving off communist vibes. You know, I'm just 446 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,879 Speaker 2: gonn get some chickens for your commune. But so, the 447 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 2: reason some stocks of the US are having a tough 448 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 2: day is and it's specifically tech stocks. After after all, 449 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,640 Speaker 2: the tech billionaires showed up to kiss Trump's ass at 450 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,919 Speaker 2: the inauguration, You really, you really hate to see them 451 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 2: have such tough day. Because a Chinese company released an 452 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:34,120 Speaker 2: AI product called deep Seek last week end of last week, 453 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 2: like on Friday, and it is basically as good as 454 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:42,640 Speaker 2: chat GPT but way less expensive, and they developed it 455 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:47,959 Speaker 2: for six million dollars on some Austin powers shit like 456 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,919 Speaker 2: six million dollars, like literally, the like the AI experts 457 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 2: that they interviewed are like, that's a fucking it's a 458 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,399 Speaker 2: joke of a budget bro like that. They're so mad 459 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:02,639 Speaker 2: that that's how much they sunk into research. But the 460 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 2: way they did it was they made an open source. 461 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:10,160 Speaker 3: I mean, there's also probably just knowing China I speak 462 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 3: with no information outside of this, but there's a world 463 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 3: where it's being propped up by Chinese government money that's 464 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:21,919 Speaker 3: not being reported. But even so, yeah, like listen, I 465 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 3: of all people love like a Chinese knockoff of an 466 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 3: overinflated American thing, right, So this fucking rules to me. Yeah, sorry, 467 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 3: it rules for AI, which I hate, Yes, exactly, legend Ai. 468 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so there's just a lot of people 469 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 2: freaking out about you know what this means for AI 470 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,679 Speaker 2: if they can like catch up to these companies that 471 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 2: are like just shoveling hundreds of millions of dollars into 472 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,399 Speaker 2: the like research furnace every year and like in no 473 00:26:55,600 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 2: way remotely profitable, and then another country like doesn't have 474 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 2: all the you know, copyright laws and you know secrecy 475 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 2: of the US tech industry can come in and compete 476 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,719 Speaker 2: with it. I think people are kind of shitting their 477 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,879 Speaker 2: pants a little bit. To your point. I think a 478 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,639 Speaker 2: lot of people are. I've been. I think it's a 479 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,880 Speaker 2: combination of this and red note. A lot of people 480 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 2: are like, and this just goes to prove China better 481 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 2: in every way they fucking eradicated poverty. Uh yeah, I 482 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 2: mean authoritarian country there's yeah, yeah. 483 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:32,439 Speaker 4: It's listen. 484 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 3: It's more just like I think it's like the curtain 485 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 3: on what the US actually is is being pulled back 486 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 3: for more people. 487 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 4: Yes, I think. 488 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,399 Speaker 3: So, It's like it's not that like China is making 489 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 3: relative gains. It's just that, like the perception is China's 490 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 3: making huge gains because America is being revealed for how 491 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 3: like actually shitty and inequitable and plugging all of authoritarian 492 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 3: that it is is. So it's like, yeah, there's relatively 493 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 3: little desire to move from the US to China, and 494 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 3: as opposed to vice versa, a lot of that is marketing. 495 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 4: But we'll see how the world goes. 496 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 2: Ye, see how the world goes, Yes, we will. I 497 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:24,199 Speaker 2: think there's going to be like as people face a 498 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 2: more realistic comparison between the two countries and as people 499 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,200 Speaker 2: become more disillusioned with America, I feel like it's gonna 500 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 2: be it's gonna be an interesting time on the internet. 501 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 2: I don't know what, you know, Like, yeah, the Cold 502 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 2: War really drove both the US and Russia pretty yeah, 503 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 2: pretty crazy. 504 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 3: I mean, one thing that is a little insane not 505 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 3: this is me speaking in a completely self interested place. However, 506 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 3: like the one place that the US is actively like 507 00:28:55,720 --> 00:29:00,160 Speaker 3: innovating and the unquestioned world leader is fucking Hollywood, and 508 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 3: not Hollywood as an entertainment, but Hollywood is in a 509 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 3: propaganda machine, and it is honestly wild that both the 510 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 3: recent governments have kind of decided to let Hollywood die 511 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 3: because Hollywood's the only like uniquely I mean, I guess 512 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 3: they would say Silicon Valley, but guess what. Look, it's 513 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 3: not like Hollywood is the place where the US unquestionably 514 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 3: rules the globe and we're electing to let that soft 515 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 3: power just evaporate for. 516 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 4: No good reason. 517 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 2: Yeah there mean to uh Donald Trump, So that's a 518 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 2: good reason, yeah, Joe Biden, Yeah, exactly. 519 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 3: Like it's like, you know, just truly thinking, even as 520 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 3: a full US imperialist, I don't understand why you wouldn't 521 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 3: prop up Hollywood. That's the one thing that lets you 522 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 3: the US be perceived as the superpower. 523 00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 2: There should be a new top Gun movie every six 524 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 2: month months, okay, yeah, yeah, just anything. 525 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 3: It's just like like America's the is the norm culturally 526 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 3: because of Hollywood, yeah, or like everyone knows American norms, right, Yeah. 527 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 4: And this is me speaking as an evil person. 528 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Like if you're going to be an evil country, 529 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 2: that is like it's important to you to uphold your 530 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 2: place as like a you. 531 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 3: Know, yeah, you would keep your iron grip on the 532 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 3: world's media. 533 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 2: The myth that your entire ship is based on you. 534 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 2: You should maybe upkeep that, but not so much. Instead, 535 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 2: they're yeah, kind of taking that for granted and going 536 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 2: hard in the other direction. What what new levels of 537 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 2: fucking dystopia are being invented on a daily basis? Uh, 538 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 2: let's talk about the fact that ice raids are now 539 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 2: being live streamed by fucking doctor Phil. 540 00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, this. 541 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 2: Just came like there ever tizing this on X so 542 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 2: it's like just showed up in my feed that like, hey, 543 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 2: doctor Phil has a live stream of what's going on 544 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 2: in Chicago. Uh, and he thinks it's good. 545 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 3: This is this by the way, I am as as 546 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 3: this episode comes out. I am in the midst of 547 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 3: being a marathon guest on Behind the Bastards about Oprah, 548 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 3: and this truly is Oprah has some splaighton to do, 549 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 3: like why did you put this man into the national spotlight? 550 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 2: He's yeah, he seems it seems bad. It seems bad. Yeah, 551 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 2: I don't know, there's bad. And then there's doctor Phil 552 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 2: partners with America's Gestapo bad. Yeah, and we are at 553 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 2: that second level. As ICE continues to arrest and deport 554 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 2: hundreds of people, Doctor Phil is tagging along and live 555 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 2: streaming arrests while serving as a vocal propagandist for the 556 00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 2: border Czar Homan home man, home o man. 557 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 4: Let's call him that. Sorry, I said that too, man too. 558 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 3: I will also just say there was no reason in 559 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 3: the last four years ICE needed to have this budget. 560 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 3: Have these specific fascists still employed for them? Right, if 561 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 3: we truly were quote unquote resisting fascism under Democrats, Yeah, 562 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 3: they're still here. 563 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 4: They've been running camps. 564 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 3: All the fucking dickheads that are leaping to do this 565 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 3: could have been fired, but they weren't. 566 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 2: So well, what Biden's supposed to do is hands are tied. 567 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 2: Oh wait, right, he's. 568 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 4: His hands are tied. 569 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 3: But yeah, that's him wanting that's sort of a sub situation. 570 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 2: Yes, I really do believe that. But yeah, so he's 571 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 2: bragging about how they were after two hundred high value 572 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 2: targets in Chicago. The whole thing was streamed on his 573 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 2: Merit TV platform, and he's treating it as like, all right, 574 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 2: we've got our knock list, you know, like it's like 575 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 2: mission impossible, and he's he's got his list of dangerous 576 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 2: men that he's helping them go after except for the 577 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 2: fact that Trump has given them daily quotas of deportations. 578 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 2: So Matt Iglesias was on that Ezra Cline podcast, Uh and. 579 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly what a phrase. 580 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 2: Yes, And he was basically saying, like, so this is 581 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:30,400 Speaker 2: a thing like in watching the way that the supposedly 582 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 2: like liberal uh media is not up to the task 583 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 2: of resisting this. Like one of the things that keeps 584 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 2: chopping out to me is like they know how to 585 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 2: criticize somebody for being bad or like inefficient, but they 586 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 2: like can't do a moral critique like they because that's 587 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 2: not both sides in it. So like he was basically like, 588 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 2: by the way, like they're not even good at deporting, 589 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 2: Like he's putting up the same numbers as Biden, Like 590 00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 2: on average, he's at four oh eight deportation Biden was 591 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 2: at four ten. And apparently that logic reached the Trump 592 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 2: administration because Trump officials are now being like, we need 593 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 2: to get those numbers up to one thy two hundred 594 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 2: to one thousand, five hundred. 595 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 3: But also crucially like it's like this thing of like, yes, 596 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:20,719 Speaker 3: Trump is absolutely worse, but like just remember and like 597 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:29,360 Speaker 3: despair that Biden wanted to be as bad, right, Biden, Again, 598 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 3: this is not like helpful especially, but like almost everything 599 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 3: that you and I and listeners and good people think 600 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 3: is a bad thing that Trump will do, Biden did 601 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 3: some version of that. 602 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 2: Right, just inefficiently. 603 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, like slightly or you know, slightly nicer about it, 604 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,720 Speaker 3: with more women and like rainbow flags and fucking people 605 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,879 Speaker 3: of color doing the fascism. So like, I don't want 606 00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 3: to I'm not downplaying how bad Trump is, but it 607 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:04,279 Speaker 3: is like very depressing how much Biden was also doing 608 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 3: this shit. 609 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, of course. And just in terms of like the 610 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 2: media's kind of how they're covering this, it feels like 611 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 2: they're still trying to like spot the lie, which doesn't 612 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 2: work when you're dealing with like an authoritarian leader who 613 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,279 Speaker 2: tells you the awful thing he's going to do and 614 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 2: then like does it. They're like they still feel like 615 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:27,399 Speaker 2: they have to be like and yeah, there's also alec 616 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,680 Speaker 2: Herritt Sanez was pointing out, like there's this New York 617 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,839 Speaker 2: Times article that was like Trump's policies are actually more 618 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 2: popular than he is, and like it was like this 619 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,839 Speaker 2: really specifically worded. I think we're going to get into 620 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:40,480 Speaker 2: it on tomorrow's episode. 621 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 3: Well, right, because it's it's like like when you aggregate 622 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 3: approval ratings, like a bunch of shit that Trump is 623 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 3: doing baseline like normal stuff, like you know, I don't 624 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 3: even know what the specifics are, but like you know, 625 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,759 Speaker 3: let's just the big something big, like he's not eliminating 626 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,160 Speaker 3: Social Security completely immediately, people like yes, I like that, 627 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,320 Speaker 3: or like like just like not touching stuff that doesn't 628 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:05,440 Speaker 3: need to be touched. 629 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 4: Of course that's more popular. 630 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 3: That's not a Trump policy, that's just a default of 631 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,439 Speaker 3: the US government, right right, And it's just like it's 632 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 3: happening in the background. So yeah, I guess if you 633 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:19,279 Speaker 3: add up all the numbers and control yourself, then sure, yeah. 634 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:23,000 Speaker 2: That feels like that's what they adding up the number 635 00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,640 Speaker 2: like it cover everything, like sports, like not just elections, 636 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:30,479 Speaker 2: like everything. When you remove morality from the equation, that's 637 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,479 Speaker 2: just what you get two sides trying to execute better 638 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,920 Speaker 2: than the other. And if you cover it as such, 639 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,480 Speaker 2: it's just going like you don't really have anything to 640 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:43,480 Speaker 2: say when the dictator comes to power. And is just 641 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,279 Speaker 2: like I'm about to do this bad thing, and there 642 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,480 Speaker 2: I did it, and they're like, actually, you didn't like 643 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:48,839 Speaker 2: do it that hard. 644 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:55,360 Speaker 4: Yeah. Well they're also like they're they're not covering. 645 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,319 Speaker 3: They're covering the sport as defined by what they think 646 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,399 Speaker 3: government is as opposed to what it actually is. Right, 647 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 3: Like government is doing is you know, taking our money 648 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:11,160 Speaker 3: and doing good or bad with it, and that's not 649 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,960 Speaker 3: what they're talking about, partially because every government is just 650 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:19,120 Speaker 3: doing a combination of good and bad in more bad 651 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:23,200 Speaker 3: than I would like proportions. Yeah, so it's just like, well, okay, 652 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,000 Speaker 3: you can you can say Democrats and Republicans are like 653 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 3: playing a game on deportations. But it's like why is 654 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:33,360 Speaker 3: any of this right? Yeah, Like that's it's not a 655 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,480 Speaker 3: good thing. So it doesn't matter who's doing a better 656 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:36,520 Speaker 3: or worse job on it. 657 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll talk tomorrow about the like Colombian tariff threats 658 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 2: from Trump and like that. Yeah, I'm just seeing people 659 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,480 Speaker 2: cover it as like and Trump identified the leverage point 660 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,880 Speaker 2: that he had and like got them to back down, 661 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,400 Speaker 2: like just talking about it again, like it's fucking jiu 662 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:53,600 Speaker 2: jitsu or some shit. 663 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:57,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, but also it's like, you know, he's been given 664 00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:02,240 Speaker 3: control of like most like there's for all you gamers 665 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:06,000 Speaker 3: out there, like just the most ope build possible. Right, 666 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,920 Speaker 3: It's just like, oh, oh cool, you want this is 667 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,560 Speaker 3: like a fucking like giving your five year old like 668 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,560 Speaker 3: all the all the fucking points and you're just. 669 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,400 Speaker 4: Like, yeah, okay, sure you want who cares? 670 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:22,600 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, But they are, they seem impressed, just like 671 00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,240 Speaker 2: they will give him the win. Is like my issue. 672 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,000 Speaker 2: It seems like they're willing to give him the win, 673 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,360 Speaker 2: and I don't know, I'm just a little bit surprised 674 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,840 Speaker 2: at how quickly they've gotten on board with the whole 675 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:38,200 Speaker 2: kind of authoritarian project that's happening. All right, let's take 676 00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,760 Speaker 2: a quick break. We'll come back. We'll talk about movies 677 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:45,920 Speaker 2: and some some other bullshit that's not America's slide into fascism. 678 00:38:46,000 --> 00:39:01,480 Speaker 2: We'll be right back and we're back. And uh, Andrew, 679 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,719 Speaker 2: did you see the number one movie in America this 680 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:05,920 Speaker 2: past weekend? Flight Risk? 681 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:10,800 Speaker 4: My god, I'm actually surprised that this is number one. 682 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:12,319 Speaker 4: Can I just. 683 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:16,160 Speaker 3: Say, as someone who is a fucking dickhead who sees 684 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:19,520 Speaker 3: too many movies, January is are considered like the worst. 685 00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,440 Speaker 4: Time this is a good January. 686 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,360 Speaker 3: Like, there's some pretty good movies out right now in 687 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:25,479 Speaker 3: a way that like. 688 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,319 Speaker 4: This should not. This is fucking crazy. 689 00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 2: It made twelve million dollars, so it was it was 690 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,720 Speaker 2: a like very slow week end of the box office. 691 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, go see no for nos. 692 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't believe it got stiffed on. I mean 693 00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,800 Speaker 2: it got like three technical awards, but I would yeah, 694 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,239 Speaker 2: what a fight director or something. Just nobody gives a ship. 695 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:55,160 Speaker 3: Don't worry about the Academy Awards as a listen, given 696 00:39:55,280 --> 00:40:02,320 Speaker 3: the way the nominations went, I'm picking my word, but yeah, yeah, yeah. 697 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,919 Speaker 4: It's it's not a to think of it this way. 698 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:11,799 Speaker 3: I guess it's like this is a popular vote in 699 00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:17,480 Speaker 3: a small, relatively insular community and no one has time 700 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,520 Speaker 3: to see every movie, and I'll just believe it at 701 00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:19,759 Speaker 3: the time. 702 00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:23,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point. But unfortunately this movie was 703 00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:28,080 Speaker 2: not eligible. Unclear if it would have gotten any Academy 704 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:32,279 Speaker 2: attention this year, but it uh, this is they like 705 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,640 Speaker 2: I talked about, I think my overrated from a few 706 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,080 Speaker 2: weeks ago was just the decision to like show his 707 00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,520 Speaker 2: like hat Wig come off. Did you see the trailer 708 00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:45,640 Speaker 2: for this It's like such a wild moment, like it's 709 00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:50,320 Speaker 2: something that we've only seen in like like slapstick comedies before. 710 00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:54,359 Speaker 4: Listen. I probably. I guess the reason I. 711 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:55,920 Speaker 3: Didn't see it this weekend is I was like, I 712 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,480 Speaker 3: don't want to fucking give Mel Gibson any money. 713 00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:03,440 Speaker 4: And Mark Wahlberg personally, however, it does look kind of 714 00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:04,680 Speaker 4: not good. 715 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,600 Speaker 2: It doesn't kind of it looks insane. Yeah. Yeah, it 716 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:13,200 Speaker 2: got a C Cinema score from audiences. To put that 717 00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,280 Speaker 2: in perspective, Cat's got a C plus. 718 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,920 Speaker 3: So I'm assuming I actually don't know enough about the 719 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,879 Speaker 3: movie to know how it's extremely right wing, given that 720 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:27,360 Speaker 3: Mel Gibson directed it, But I'm assuming there's some versions. 721 00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,759 Speaker 2: I'm sure there's some stuff in there. Yeah, I guess. 722 00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:35,200 Speaker 3: I'm pleasantly ish surprised that. I mean, I guess Mark 723 00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,080 Speaker 3: Wahlberg is the villain, but I'm I'm the prisoner or 724 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:43,280 Speaker 3: whatever is a white guy in to for Grace, So yeah. 725 00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:47,160 Speaker 2: That's true. I don't know Charles Gruden the Midnight Run. 726 00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,120 Speaker 3: If we're just broadly speaking about movies. This weekend, I 727 00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:56,719 Speaker 3: saw the presence or presence the Soderbergh Ghost Movie. 728 00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:59,200 Speaker 4: From the perspective of ghost and my my POV. 729 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,279 Speaker 2: You're a good but it's actually from the point of 730 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:03,040 Speaker 2: view of a ghost. 731 00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:09,680 Speaker 3: And yeah, I know I'm old, but the change of 732 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:14,000 Speaker 3: the meaning of POV is one of the wildest things. 733 00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,320 Speaker 3: It means not right, like as far as I can now, Yeah, 734 00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:20,560 Speaker 3: well now it means you're through the point of view 735 00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:30,760 Speaker 3: or you're viewing a and those are largely almost diametric opposites, right, exactly, 736 00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,400 Speaker 3: Like the only other option for a camera is to 737 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:39,880 Speaker 3: be looking at neither, and that then is just weird. 738 00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:42,520 Speaker 3: What I will say about presence, I just wanted to 739 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,120 Speaker 3: say this officially on some podcast somewhere, so you're the 740 00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,200 Speaker 3: first opportunity for me to say this out loud. 741 00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:49,279 Speaker 4: I like the movie enough. 742 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,520 Speaker 3: It's wild that Lucy Lou keeps his shoes on household 743 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:54,440 Speaker 3: and I will fucking die on that. 744 00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:56,160 Speaker 2: Wow. 745 00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a little ambiguous. And then there's a wide 746 00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,279 Speaker 3: shot and I'm like, those fucking Chinese kids have their 747 00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,000 Speaker 3: shoes and the fucking rug. 748 00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:10,880 Speaker 2: Wow, it's happening. Yeah, it feels after like, you know, 749 00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,680 Speaker 2: my wife is Korean, my wife, sorry, is Korean, and 750 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:19,200 Speaker 2: we've been shoes off household as long as we've lived 751 00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,640 Speaker 2: together and going back to a shoes on household feels 752 00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:23,360 Speaker 2: so wild. 753 00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,840 Speaker 4: It feels like disgusting. Yeah, it feels. 754 00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:31,640 Speaker 2: Like it feels disrespectful to I'm like, I can't, I'm 755 00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:32,799 Speaker 2: gonna take my shoes off. 756 00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:34,520 Speaker 4: That's just how I. 757 00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:39,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I otherwise, you know, I like the movie, but uh, 758 00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:44,520 Speaker 3: come on, come on, Hollywood, the fuck is happening here? Yes, 759 00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,399 Speaker 3: it is surprising, like the fact that they got Mark 760 00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,640 Speaker 3: Wahlberg to and I haven't seen the movie, so maybe 761 00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,600 Speaker 3: there's a twist, but the fact that they got him 762 00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:55,480 Speaker 3: to not be the good guy who saves the day 763 00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,880 Speaker 3: on a plane like when he's so clearly you know 764 00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:04,279 Speaker 3: this nine to eleven commentary is if I was there, 765 00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:05,600 Speaker 3: wouldn't have gone down like that? 766 00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:11,320 Speaker 4: Just I mean, I know, imagine. 767 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,200 Speaker 3: I imagine that Mel Gibson does not have the sense 768 00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:17,560 Speaker 3: of humor. But if there was someone funnier helming this, 769 00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,400 Speaker 3: who could get Mark Karburk to say, it wouldn't have 770 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:21,160 Speaker 3: gone down like this. 771 00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:26,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, the movie going down like that. I'm here 772 00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:33,000 Speaker 2: and it's not going down like that. He also got 773 00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,440 Speaker 2: again a thing that we were talking about possibly in 774 00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:41,279 Speaker 2: the cold open. It's just Mel Gibson's weird. Oh sure, 775 00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:47,319 Speaker 2: futility fetish like violence, weird interpreted like focus on the 776 00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,480 Speaker 2: you know, Jesus getting the shit kicked out of a 777 00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:51,960 Speaker 2: version of Catholicism. 778 00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,560 Speaker 3: That I was like, I literally was about to ask 779 00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:55,479 Speaker 3: you what is that called? 780 00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,759 Speaker 4: And I was like, all right, it's the passion of 781 00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:58,240 Speaker 4: the movie. 782 00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:02,480 Speaker 2: But he went on Hannity to promote his movie and said, 783 00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,279 Speaker 2: of Donald Trump, it's like daddy arrived and he's taken 784 00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:06,279 Speaker 2: off his belt, you know. 785 00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:14,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, so he's about that, I mean, yeah, yeah, Yeah, there's. 786 00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:18,480 Speaker 2: Not much to say about. Drones are back, you guys. 787 00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:23,200 Speaker 2: That's exciting, the New Jersey Drones, which needs to be 788 00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,279 Speaker 2: the name of a minor league baseball team if it's 789 00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:29,480 Speaker 2: not already. Yeah, there's a there's a headline on Drudge 790 00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:35,399 Speaker 2: that said Northeast drone sighting surge again ellipses, And that's 791 00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,439 Speaker 2: literally the only possible way to make the story seem 792 00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:40,680 Speaker 2: like the drones are still intriguing, because when you click 793 00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:44,360 Speaker 2: through to the New York Post, the headline is Northeast 794 00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:49,520 Speaker 2: drone sighting surge again after FAA limits lifted. So, as 795 00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,239 Speaker 2: we talked about, just be in case anybody missed the 796 00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,040 Speaker 2: way this drone story happened. There's everyone's like, what the 797 00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,840 Speaker 2: fuck are these drones? It's so weird, like where are 798 00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:01,239 Speaker 2: they coming from? And then the FAA put limits on 799 00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:05,719 Speaker 2: whether you were able to fly your hobby drones. They 800 00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,800 Speaker 2: said you can't, it'll be a crime. And the drone 801 00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:14,880 Speaker 2: sighting stopped, and so the aliens are apparently very sensitive 802 00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:23,080 Speaker 2: to the possibility of ticketing. Yeah, and Iran, I feel 803 00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:25,000 Speaker 2: like if people spent the first few months of those 804 00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:28,560 Speaker 2: like lime scooters showing up everywhere, insisting that like nobody 805 00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,000 Speaker 2: could explain where they were coming from, and then it 806 00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:35,040 Speaker 2: must be aliens, Like it's just people are seeing drones 807 00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:38,440 Speaker 2: more often because other people are flying drones more often. 808 00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:43,000 Speaker 2: Like that. There's like the FAA limited the ban on 809 00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,399 Speaker 2: being able to fly drones wherever the fuck you want 810 00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,080 Speaker 2: last year, and so then people were like, all right, 811 00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:48,879 Speaker 2: I'm gonna start flying. 812 00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:52,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, they lifted the ban on where they could fly them, 813 00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,960 Speaker 3: and everyone decided New Jersey, which. 814 00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly ahead of the cut. 815 00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,240 Speaker 3: You know, now that we're talking about it, I will say, 816 00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,640 Speaker 3: going back to our like what's wrong with people's brains thing? 817 00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,759 Speaker 3: I now I'm kind of like maybe what's happening is 818 00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,680 Speaker 3: our logic, our processing power, Like we're just operating on 819 00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:15,880 Speaker 3: jump cut reasoning, like to go from I see drones 820 00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:19,239 Speaker 3: everywhere to I saw more drones today to there are 821 00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:23,120 Speaker 3: aliens or our Audians or whatever. It's just like, well, 822 00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,759 Speaker 3: that's that can only happen in jump cut, because if 823 00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,040 Speaker 3: you walk through the steps, it makes no sense. 824 00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:32,959 Speaker 2: Right exactly. It's we're just it's like we have we're 825 00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:36,359 Speaker 2: all in a writer's room that is trying to come 826 00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,799 Speaker 2: up with the most interesting direction for us story to go. 827 00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:44,319 Speaker 2: It would be more interesting if these vaccines that we've 828 00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,360 Speaker 2: all been getting since we were kids, we're actually like 829 00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,520 Speaker 2: the government like doing something like spying on it. Like 830 00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,759 Speaker 2: it's we do actually live in like the matrix or 831 00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:57,759 Speaker 2: you know some shit. You know, it's more interesting if 832 00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:01,840 Speaker 2: the you know, people who bought a ninety dollars drone 833 00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:05,880 Speaker 2: are aliens. But it's just, yeah, we're all just writers 834 00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:09,279 Speaker 2: rooming reality in the direction that is going to be 835 00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:14,279 Speaker 2: most intriguing, and it's fucking it's driving everybody out of 836 00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:14,800 Speaker 2: their minds. 837 00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:19,480 Speaker 3: Here's my actual question for someone I don't know, smarter 838 00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:21,719 Speaker 3: than me or more invested in me, than this, but 839 00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:25,600 Speaker 3: like this we are at a sort of like facts 840 00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,520 Speaker 3: don't care about your feelings stage of things. But yeah, 841 00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:32,760 Speaker 3: surprise surprise the other way, like what is the actual 842 00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:37,080 Speaker 3: way to like bet against all of these counterfactual like 843 00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,680 Speaker 3: right wing beliefs I don't know, Like for instance, actually 844 00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:45,200 Speaker 3: so so after the twenty twenty election, there was this 845 00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,680 Speaker 3: guy who I think might be kind of a right 846 00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:51,720 Speaker 3: wing goon or libertarian goon but poker player named Bart 847 00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,759 Speaker 3: Hanson I think his name is, And he was just 848 00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:59,560 Speaker 3: openly taking bets on Twitter with QAnon people, you know, 849 00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:01,799 Speaker 3: for large amounts of money, and like I think they 850 00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,360 Speaker 3: went through because they would put them in scrow accounts. 851 00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,239 Speaker 3: But he would just be like Donald Trump will not 852 00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,439 Speaker 3: be like sworn in as president in twenty twenty one, 853 00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,160 Speaker 3: Like I'm taking all that. Yeah, and he made a 854 00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,800 Speaker 3: ton of money. That's great, Like what is the way? 855 00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,040 Speaker 3: I mean, obviously you don't want to like short like 856 00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:23,520 Speaker 3: fucking iron lungs or go long on like iron lungs 857 00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:27,319 Speaker 3: or whatever, but like it's something like that, Like the 858 00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,640 Speaker 3: things that these people believe and that they're using their 859 00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:35,200 Speaker 3: immense power to implement do not comport with actual factual reality, 860 00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,320 Speaker 3: and there's only so long they can push that off, right, 861 00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:42,440 Speaker 3: So how do you arbitrage that? 862 00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,399 Speaker 4: That's w Yeah, that's my challenge to the. 863 00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, let us know if you've got a way to 864 00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:53,000 Speaker 2: let's turn this whole thing into a get rich quick scheme, 865 00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,640 Speaker 2: because people who like you could short the stock market, 866 00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,200 Speaker 2: but the stock market's been able to just be completely 867 00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:01,800 Speaker 2: isolated from reality, Like I think the stock market is 868 00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:05,480 Speaker 2: fully in on on the lie right now, right. 869 00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, but also like the stock market, it's like 870 00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:12,200 Speaker 3: like things that are bad for humanity are good for it. 871 00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:15,520 Speaker 4: As you said, like so right, if everyone. 872 00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:18,760 Speaker 3: If every corporation could fire everyone, that would be good 873 00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:22,040 Speaker 3: for the stock market, even though that would eliminate its 874 00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:25,320 Speaker 3: customer base. Right, But you know, I think in their world, 875 00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:27,840 Speaker 3: it's like that's fine if like ninety nine percent of 876 00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,400 Speaker 3: Americans or the world or whatever are just sort of 877 00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:35,680 Speaker 3: like surfs or like like indentured servants, that's fine, and 878 00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:38,480 Speaker 3: then we can just like pass around the same like 879 00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:42,080 Speaker 3: couple billion dollars to keep the stock market moving. 880 00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:42,799 Speaker 1: Yeah. 881 00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,160 Speaker 2: I feel like that's where we're headed more than more 882 00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:49,200 Speaker 2: than some like revelation that like they were lying about everything, 883 00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:49,920 Speaker 2: but I'm. 884 00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,920 Speaker 3: Just saying, like, like the other things they're implementing are incorrect. 885 00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:56,240 Speaker 3: I mean, look, even from an economic perspective, like fucking 886 00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:59,520 Speaker 3: all these mass departations, they are going to ruin the 887 00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:04,680 Speaker 3: aggric cultural economy, the manufacturing economy, Like these things will 888 00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:08,040 Speaker 3: come home to roost as it were, eventually. 889 00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,359 Speaker 4: So what does one do about this? 890 00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:14,839 Speaker 3: Like we can't stop it happening, Like, you know, if 891 00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,640 Speaker 3: our k goes in, I think that's it's a reasonable 892 00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:20,680 Speaker 3: bet there's gonna be fucking polio in America, like right 893 00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:24,960 Speaker 3: eventually in the next ten years, Like there's gonna be like. 894 00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,759 Speaker 2: You don't want to invest in iron lungs, right because I. 895 00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:28,040 Speaker 4: Was just. 896 00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:34,080 Speaker 3: That and I don't know, Andrew, it's a bye. The 897 00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,560 Speaker 3: problem is who's going to make the best iron lung. 898 00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,040 Speaker 3: It's probably someone that's otherwise going to profit from all 899 00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,600 Speaker 3: this ship You're Luckheed Martin. 900 00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:44,360 Speaker 2: Dude's going to convert that little personal submarine that he 901 00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:47,439 Speaker 2: was developing to rest kids into an iron lung. 902 00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:50,040 Speaker 3: Oh my god, can you imagine how shitty his iron 903 00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:50,920 Speaker 3: lung is going to be? 904 00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:59,200 Speaker 2: Well, Andrew, such a pleasure having you as always? Where 905 00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:02,160 Speaker 2: can people find you? Follow you all? That kind of stuff. 906 00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:05,720 Speaker 3: I don't know, Manos is racist. I am on blue Sky, 907 00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:09,200 Speaker 3: so I guess there. I've been doing very little blue skying. 908 00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:10,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, not for me. 909 00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:16,480 Speaker 2: I fucking social media, all right, that is gonna do 910 00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:20,680 Speaker 2: it for us this Monday morning. We are back tomorrow 911 00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,960 Speaker 2: with a whole last episode of the show, and we 912 00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:25,000 Speaker 2: will talk to Yelda. 913 00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:26,520 Speaker 4: Bye. Peace,