Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to what Future. I'm your host, Joshua Tapulski.
Speaker 1: At least that's what they're telling me. We have a
Speaker 1: great show today, a big show. I'm very excited, and
Speaker 1: I don't want to waste a lot of time. Normally,
Speaker 1: what I'll do is I'll start talking and I'll be like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to waste a lot of time, and
Speaker 1: then you know, fifteen minutes later, I'm finishing like telling
Speaker 1: you about something that happened to me. And I'm not
Speaker 1: going to do that today. Today I'm gonna be focused,
Speaker 1: which is a problem for me. Actually, I've been diagnosed
Speaker 1: with several versions of add or ADHD, and you know, honestly,
Speaker 1: I think they're wrong. I think feel like my attention
Speaker 1: is totally like you're right on top of things. But
Speaker 1: today I'm not going to get distracted in any way.
Speaker 1: And I'm just gonna say that we have a great guest.
Speaker 1: His name is Nick Turner. He's median, he's a podcast
Speaker 1: or he's been on seth Meyers and Jimmy Fallon and
Speaker 1: John Oliver. He's it got a Comedy Central a half
Speaker 1: hour and he's just also just a charming, charming individual.
Speaker 1: So let's just get into the fucking conversation with him.
Speaker 1: What are you drinking there? What is that some kind
Speaker 1: of I want to say, nice coffee. Maybe it's uh IV,
Speaker 1: you know that ever present little pouch these days? Is
Speaker 1: this like? Is this like a Jesus a bit? Or
Speaker 1: is this real? No, it's you know, electrolytes and whatnot.
Speaker 1: I'm getting over a cold. Oh you're getting over a cold.
Speaker 1: I thought you were going to tell me you had
Speaker 1: a big rager last night. No. No, not since the
Speaker 1: nineties when I was a rave kid. Are you sober? No? No, no,
Speaker 1: you're not sober. So you know I'm I'm not sober.
Speaker 1: You drank alcohol. I do what I do. Whatever you spoke.
Speaker 1: We want to once last time you dropped acid? Acid specifically,
Speaker 1: it's been probably six years, but I mushrooms. People love shrooms.
Speaker 1: Ravers who age out out of acid age in two mushrooms. Well,
Speaker 1: no one was there for the acid. We were there
Speaker 1: for the ecstasy. Baby. The second time I took your
Speaker 1: acidum the dealer who is a kind of like a friend,
Speaker 1: his name is Ken. This is in Pittsburgh, and he
Speaker 1: gave me like a strip of ten hits and he's like, yes,
Speaker 1: it's kind of old, like you might need to take
Speaker 1: like one or two. I didn't know anything but taking acid.
Speaker 1: And I took one and I'm like, I don't think
Speaker 1: this is working. Like a half an hour later, I
Speaker 1: was like, I don't think it's working. And then I
Speaker 1: took another and like, I think I ended up I
Speaker 1: think I ended up taking like five, and then they
Speaker 1: started working all at once. Yeah, and uh, it was interesting.
Speaker 1: I gotta say my mom was also at the rave
Speaker 1: because I was at the time, I was doing these
Speaker 1: like video displays and my and I couldn't drive. I
Speaker 1: was doing these like rave visuals on these like screens,
Speaker 1: and so my parents had driven me to the rave
Speaker 1: and like went to stay at a hotel or something
Speaker 1: nearby because they were complete psychos. I was like seventeen
Speaker 1: or something. Um, okay, but you were fine. I was, well,
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know here we are? Here, we
Speaker 1: are you know, you're on my podcasts, So I don't
Speaker 1: know was I find this? You know, jury is out,
Speaker 1: as they say, unlike the jury in this Alex Murdock case,
Speaker 1: who he's guilty. You know. I followed that story in
Speaker 1: the news and then I watched the first dock, and
Speaker 1: then I watched the second dock and Benny was guilty,
Speaker 1: and you're like, it never happens this way. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: always like and he's gonna be flogged forever. I didn't
Speaker 1: know there were docks. Actually, I didn't actually follow it.
Speaker 1: I'm sort of like, um, I know everbody loves true crime,
Speaker 1: I'm not that excited about it. I mean, I like,
Speaker 1: you know, crime, you know. Don't get me wrong, I
Speaker 1: love a great crime, But I don't know, I can't. Um.
Speaker 1: I think the pandemic made it very difficult for me
Speaker 1: to engage in. Um, it's got to be last of
Speaker 1: us leveled dystopian for me to engage with any realistic crimes.
Speaker 1: I can't really handle, oh for sure. But true crime
Speaker 1: is so it's so like nothing. It's it's something to
Speaker 1: have on in the background. Right, it's always the same script.
Speaker 1: You you can tune out for an hour. You know
Speaker 1: what happened, right? He did it? Yeah? I mean he
Speaker 1: did the evidence, you know. Yeah. I mean it's always
Speaker 1: that like they lost the evidence burned, there was a
Speaker 1: fire and then where they held the evidence. And actually
Speaker 1: my wife Laura has actually been working on a true
Speaker 1: crime story, uh about a murder in um in our hometown,
Speaker 1: and and you know she she's like basically solved it
Speaker 1: along with the cops who worked on it, but they're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: the evidence was lost when like the U play literally
Speaker 1: the place where we kept the evidence like was there
Speaker 1: was a fire and everything was like burned to a
Speaker 1: crisp and so, you know, classic normal, definitely not some
Speaker 1: kind of funny business going on. Yeah, I had an
Speaker 1: idea for a parody true crime podcast where you know,
Speaker 1: someone learns a secret about their family. It's always starts,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like your personal experience, and you know,
Speaker 1: they're at the lake house and they see a picture
Speaker 1: and they're like, oh my god, you know this this
Speaker 1: proves he was the murderer or whatever. And then later
Speaker 1: on in the first episode he finds out out that
Speaker 1: that's not true, but he's like, oh shit, I sold this.
Speaker 1: It's eight episodes. So here you're like, listen, I realized
Speaker 1: I was completely wrong, but there's a murder here somewhere.
Speaker 1: We got the first check and so we have to
Speaker 1: put this together. Yeah, sure, let's rewind for a second. Nick,
Speaker 1: your last name is Turner. Is that correct, you nailed it.
Speaker 1: You got an ass in the middle. Is that an
Speaker 1: middle initial? No, that's just a dumb thing I did
Speaker 1: on my social's Nick's Nick's Turner. I thought it was
Speaker 1: nick ass Turners. What I assume you couldn't get Nick Turner,
Speaker 1: so you put your middle initial in there? Is that now?
Speaker 1: What happened? Well? No, it's just I pluralized both of
Speaker 1: my names. I thought that people would understand. Then is
Speaker 1: there another as the Did I miss that? Yeah? It's Turner. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I was high. That's on. Oh, you're right,
Speaker 1: you're right. I didn't notice the lasts for some reason.
Speaker 1: I just focused on the middle s. That's that makes
Speaker 1: a little more sense. So if you change your name
Speaker 1: you're at on Twitter, you lose your check and it's
Speaker 1: all I got left. You can never get it back
Speaker 1: now because they'll make you pay for it. Was that
Speaker 1: it is that real? Though? Is that? Yes? That's real?
Speaker 1: Could you have paid for it and have one? Now?
Speaker 1: Is that you can? Now? Now you can pay for
Speaker 1: it and have it. But it's but everybody knows. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but everybody knows you're a phony and a loser if
Speaker 1: you pay for it. No of course, I've had one
Speaker 1: man's opinion decade, dude, one man's opinion that you're a
Speaker 1: phony and a loser if you pay for it. Um,
Speaker 1: that's just you know, speaking from as an elite and
Speaker 1: a highly elite former. You know, freal blue check halfer.
Speaker 1: I mean, I still have the blue check. But hold on,
Speaker 1: I want to get back up past your user name
Speaker 1: okay and your pastor okay, and we'll get to that
Speaker 1: in a minute. Nick, you are a comedian. Is this
Speaker 1: true or false? It's true? Okay, stand up comedy or
Speaker 1: just sort of general You're just generally funny. Uh. You know,
Speaker 1: at my age, there was only one way to get
Speaker 1: comedian after you're right, and that was through live comedy performance.
Speaker 1: I'm a stand up comedian, Yeah, stand up, stand up. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about this because I've
Speaker 1: long I've long entertained the idea of me starting to
Speaker 1: do stand up comedy, and I thought it's a great
Speaker 1: time to get in. No, the older I get, the
Speaker 1: border ridiculous it seems, and so in some way more attractive.
Speaker 1: It's not an old man game. I want to be
Speaker 1: like the Morgan Freeman stand up I want to enter
Speaker 1: late and then just be a sensation, which I think
Speaker 1: is absolutely possible. Um A call it on a second.
Speaker 1: You're a stand up comedian. You you do do you
Speaker 1: currently do get Rich Nick? Now that's an old podcast.
Speaker 1: You don't do that. It's dead, it's dead and buried,
Speaker 1: it's on hiatus, or it's just I'm not lingering. You're
Speaker 1: not gonna dwell on get Rich Nick? It was great?
Speaker 1: Was there another Nick involved with get Rich Nick? I
Speaker 1: just didn't understand, but he passed on U Did he
Speaker 1: actually die on the next project? Okay? Because it says
Speaker 1: solo host of get Rich Nick as if this is
Speaker 1: on your Instagram, as if you need to communicate to
Speaker 1: people that they're you were the only Nick that matter.
Speaker 1: That's funny because at the time I had I think
Speaker 1: I was, I had two podcasts and I was also
Speaker 1: a guest host of my friend Brooks Wheeland's podcast, Oh
Speaker 1: Brooks Wheeland, I love him, And so at one point
Speaker 1: I had solo host of all of these three podcasts
Speaker 1: even though I was host, and it was funny, and
Speaker 1: then I dropped the other two and it was no
Speaker 1: longer funny. Right now, You're just it's just that sitting
Speaker 1: there confusing people. Yeah, I'm not good at at the Internet.
Speaker 1: Every time I try to google myself, I throw up
Speaker 1: at what comes up, and what comes up it's probably
Speaker 1: not even content about you. Is it even about you?
Speaker 1: Your name is very common, no offense, but Nick Turner
Speaker 1: is probably like, there's probably like five million other names
Speaker 1: I've dwelt on that Nick Turner is. Um, it's always
Speaker 1: someone from England. It's always a white guy from England
Speaker 1: or a black college football player. So Nicholas Turner. The
Speaker 1: first person comes up is VIRA Institute of Justice. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know why you're googling Nicholas. That's not my
Speaker 1: professional name. No I did, I didn't google. I googled
Speaker 1: Nick Turner and the first thing comes up is Nicholas
Speaker 1: Turner Via Institute of Justice downloading. I have no idea
Speaker 1: what this is. Okay, he joined the VIA Institute of
Speaker 1: Justice as its fifth president director, So that's pretty impressive.
Speaker 1: Who we are? Who is VIA? We don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: your Advocates Research is an act activist working to end
Speaker 1: mass incarceration. So not a bad association there, not you,
Speaker 1: not you, But then your your Twitter is next up,
Speaker 1: and then your Instagram and then a guy from the
Speaker 1: Federal Reserve Board, Nick Turner. He's a principal economist Board
Speaker 1: of Governors the Federal Reserve System. So he's getting a
Speaker 1: lot of action right now. He's seeing a lot of
Speaker 1: action and some deep deep stuff. Yeah. Anyhow, we could
Speaker 1: go on and on. I'd like to eventually you do
Speaker 1: get to a British person. I want to get this guy. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's back up for a second. You are I think
Speaker 1: we should say this just for people who might be
Speaker 1: listening to this, for the four or five people out there.
Speaker 1: I was promised millions on infant timeline. This podcast is
Speaker 1: going to have tens of millions of listeners infinite. Okay, good,
Speaker 1: you are the partner of my producer. We should just
Speaker 1: say because I don't want anybody to make I don't
Speaker 1: want to be any claims of foul play here or
Speaker 1: nepotism or I'm not sure what the right word is,
Speaker 1: but um am I getting money. No, there's no money's
Speaker 1: definitely nobody change in hands. Okay, I've heard there's no audience,
Speaker 1: no money, no audience, nobody that's got anyone's gonna come
Speaker 1: for you or me. That's kind of our thing. Anyhow,
Speaker 1: you are you are in a romantic relationship. Can I
Speaker 1: say that? But no, let's get into it sexually. But
Speaker 1: the producer of what future we would have to Well,
Speaker 1: you do have a child together, is that correct? Well,
Speaker 1: people wouldn't believe me. Yeah, so they wouldn't believe you
Speaker 1: unless you produced the child. So it takes to get
Speaker 1: some respect in this town. I like that. I love that.
Speaker 1: Any I just wanted to put that out there so
Speaker 1: that there's no confusion about nobody think there's any kind
Speaker 1: of impropriety situation going on here. But but the reason
Speaker 1: we're talking, there's many reasons. But one of the main
Speaker 1: reasons is because you're a little bit old like I am.
Speaker 1: You're kind of an old guy, yes, but I present younger.
Speaker 1: You are a child of the nineties, spent a lot
Speaker 1: of time in the nineties. Of the nineties. Yeah, well
Speaker 1: you were there for the entire nineties, my teas, my
Speaker 1: whole teens, Yeah, my tweens also, I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but well, I want to talk about the nineties a
Speaker 1: little bit because we actually ended up yesterday you off
Speaker 1: camera while was talking ab Larry, we started talking about
Speaker 1: the real world, and I challenged your I stupidly challenged
Speaker 1: your real world knowledge, and you made a fool of me.
Speaker 1: I mean no question, you made me look like a
Speaker 1: complete asshole. And I thought, I thought, well, we should
Speaker 1: just get you on to talk about the nineties. But
Speaker 1: before we do that, I want to I want to
Speaker 1: since youre comedian, I want to talk about a current event,
Speaker 1: something I've been thinking a lot about, and it's in
Speaker 1: the comedy space. I'm sure you know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you know where I'm going with this. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Well, you know, I saw it. Did
Speaker 1: you watch the Chris Rock Live Special? Did you? Did
Speaker 1: you watch it live? By any chance, I did not
Speaker 1: watch it live, but I watched it maybe that night
Speaker 1: or the next day. Yes, for people in the West Coast,
Speaker 1: it would have been very early to watch live. I think,
Speaker 1: right with like seven o'clock or something. I think it
Speaker 1: started the ten Oh yeah. I actually didn't know what
Speaker 1: was happening, and we like, yeah, saw nobody knew that
Speaker 1: they were talking about the after show. They didn't average Yes,
Speaker 1: it for some reason, very strange situation, but uh, you know,
Speaker 1: at the end of his but I thought it was
Speaker 1: like a pretty solid Chris Rock, you know, comedy special.
Speaker 1: I mean it to me felt like, you know what
Speaker 1: I kind of expect from Chris Rock, pretty much like
Speaker 1: it wasn't maybe not his best I mean what am I?
Speaker 1: I'm not a fucking comedy critic. Yeah, but at the
Speaker 1: end he addressed quite um vehemently, and I think somewhat
Speaker 1: surprisingly the Will Smith slap incident. And since you're a comedian,
Speaker 1: and I think it veered into a place that I
Speaker 1: would say it was not funny. Uh. And I don't know,
Speaker 1: like that's my opinion. I mean, and I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that it was bad, but it was definitely went in
Speaker 1: in in the comedy world. Because you're not just a comedian,
Speaker 1: you also know other comedians. Uh. And you're we could
Speaker 1: say you're a student of the comedic arts. Say that's correct,
Speaker 1: a teacher. I you don't watch anybody else do comedy
Speaker 1: because you don't want to accidentally steal their bit. No,
Speaker 1: because I don't enjoy it. I don't actually hate to laugh.
Speaker 1: I don't know how many times you're supposed to watch
Speaker 1: some guy get up and do stand up. No, I
Speaker 1: get it. It's like being a DJ, which we're gonna
Speaker 1: get to in a minute. It's like being a trans
Speaker 1: DJ and having to listen to the trans DJ before
Speaker 1: you before you go on, you know, and you know
Speaker 1: like I don't. Yeah, especially because neither of you even
Speaker 1: created those songs. That's actually not true in my case.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get to that in a second. But we
Speaker 1: a lot we're going to get to. But anyhow, what
Speaker 1: was your feeling about the sort of end of his
Speaker 1: whole special? Was like about his like kind of he's
Speaker 1: still pretty upset about the slap situation. You know as
Speaker 1: a comedian, did he go to the right place with it?
Speaker 1: I mean he was very very aggressive, very abrasive stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think it was very well planned. Yeah, because he's
Speaker 1: not addressed it at all in a year, and he
Speaker 1: waits until his big special comes out and it's the
Speaker 1: week of the Oscars. We all know, the week before
Speaker 1: the Oscars. We all know what's going on there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we needed to hear his thoughts on it. You know,
Speaker 1: he gave you the hour. It's great. This is the thing,
Speaker 1: Like I want to know how he feels, Like I
Speaker 1: want to hear good jokes about it, But I also
Speaker 1: it's like this this is his moment, and I think
Speaker 1: he find it really well, like that he's such a
Speaker 1: fucking hero and that you know, he didn't let up
Speaker 1: on Will Smith. And as a comedian who has had
Speaker 1: people jump on stage a number of times while they're performing,
Speaker 1: I detest what Will Smith did. And I mean the
Speaker 1: fact that he wasn't tackled by security his bonkers considering
Speaker 1: he went up an assaulted a former host, right. I
Speaker 1: think that just on the on Chris Rock's final like
Speaker 1: cathartic bit about I wouldn't even call it a bit,
Speaker 1: it was like just talking about it in a way.
Speaker 1: I mean, he definitely when he started, I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: he's gonna talk about this, and then it was like
Speaker 1: it kept going deeper and larger and more serious into
Speaker 1: like his thoughts on the whole matter. Like the way
Speaker 1: he addressed it was like, oh wow, like he's there's
Speaker 1: not going to be any no pun intended, but no
Speaker 1: punches pulled on this addressing of it, right, And it
Speaker 1: was like he had said, like you said, he'd said
Speaker 1: nothing for a year, and I think everybody probably was like,
Speaker 1: he just wants to move on. He probably just wants
Speaker 1: to move on, and like not and fixate on this
Speaker 1: and have it be a thing that he has to
Speaker 1: talk he talks about it once. If he doesn't, you know,
Speaker 1: he's got to get it all out. And also it's
Speaker 1: like he could go and talk to Oprah and give
Speaker 1: her all the money for it, or he could just
Speaker 1: say it on his own special and collect twenty million
Speaker 1: dollars himself. And it's like, do you think that's what
Speaker 1: he got paid twenty million dollars? I would say it's
Speaker 1: probably twenty million dollars because especially because this is the
Speaker 1: only place you can hear him talk about the slab, right,
Speaker 1: I think that probably got a little bonus and twenties
Speaker 1: what they gave Chappelle and Chris Rock. He only does
Speaker 1: a special every five years, right, He's not one of
Speaker 1: these every sixteen weeks like Chappelle. Now he doesn't special.
Speaker 1: It's when Chris Rock puts out, especially he's fucking ready. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's Chris Rocks. His specials are always like
Speaker 1: they kind of don't let up. You know. In a way,
Speaker 1: it's like signed Feldian in the sense that it's obviously
Speaker 1: a very different style, but you know, like it's like
Speaker 1: it's so precise and you can everything seems so thought out,
Speaker 1: and really there's not like not exactly a lot of
Speaker 1: riff and he did a little riff in this one,
Speaker 1: but he doesn't do a lot of like he goes
Speaker 1: down some weird rabbit hole. Like you know. It's like
Speaker 1: a film, right, It's like a beginning to end. There's
Speaker 1: like a start, middle, and finish that feels like all connected. Anyhow.
Speaker 1: I was just curious because I'm not a comedian, even
Speaker 1: though I might become one, And you can't call yourself
Speaker 1: a comedian unless you get up on a stage and
Speaker 1: there's a microphone and you try to tell a joke.
Speaker 1: Then you become a comedian that day for sure, anyhow,
Speaker 1: But I just think it's interesting. I was kind of
Speaker 1: curious because I feel like in the comedy world, like
Speaker 1: you just said, you said, people have jumped up on
Speaker 1: stage when you've been performing, which sounds like a terrifying
Speaker 1: I mean, when any when anybody does anything unexpected that's
Speaker 1: like physical, even if they're they mean well, right, it's
Speaker 1: like probably sometimes probably drunk people jump up there because
Speaker 1: they want to give you a hug or whatever. I mean.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's ever happened but still like upsetting. Yeah.
Speaker 1: One time downtown LA, right near skid Row, the Independent
Speaker 1: Movie Theater. I was doing a show and there's a
Speaker 1: free show and uh, you know, a guy wandered in
Speaker 1: and um started yelling at me that I was racist,
Speaker 1: not a comedy fan. Do you think not there for comedy? Um?
Speaker 1: I don't know a lot of comedy fans who come
Speaker 1: in during the last performers, right and then start yelling
Speaker 1: immediately how was your set going up until that point?
Speaker 1: Just had no. I am really very talented, and this
Speaker 1: this spot, um, this spot specifically, you know, because it's
Speaker 1: like it's like a three hundred theater and they would
Speaker 1: pack it out and this is a straight murder. And
Speaker 1: so you're you're doing well, things are going great. Oh
Speaker 1: not just well. I mean I cannot stress enough my
Speaker 1: talent level. Yeah, so you're killing it. You're killing this set? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and walks a gentleman. I engage with everyone. Sure, you
Speaker 1: have to, you know, I cannot concentrate. Like if somebody
Speaker 1: sneezes while you're doing your set, they're gone, Babe. Do
Speaker 1: you say you say please? You know, can you please stop?
Speaker 1: I'm trying to, I say, does anyone have a tissue.
Speaker 1: I want to make sure everyone's comfortable. That's nice. I
Speaker 1: like that. I think that's you have to be attentive
Speaker 1: to the audience. It's everyone's in it together. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: all right, So this guy comes in and you immediately
Speaker 1: become you stiffen up, and you sense a presence of
Speaker 1: a guy who's not a comedy lover. Well, again, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm so comfortable on stage, right, So I didn't really
Speaker 1: So you know, he's he's I engage, Um, he engages.
Speaker 1: It's one of the back and forth. This is this
Speaker 1: is what happens a lot when you've tried it. You're
Speaker 1: doing you're doing like what was this be called crowd work?
Speaker 1: Is that considered crowd work? Or that's not really If
Speaker 1: you're just engaged with a Heckler, it's not really crowd work,
Speaker 1: is it. No? Yes, that's that's Heckler engagement. Heckler engagement.
Speaker 1: And so you're just and is the crowd enjoying the
Speaker 1: engagement or you're getting laughs from whatever you're talking about? No,
Speaker 1: because again I cannot stress enough how well I was
Speaker 1: doing before him. Then this interlow he threw the whole
Speaker 1: thing off. Yes, disrupts what is For some of them,
Speaker 1: I probably could go in my d MS later they
Speaker 1: probably hit me up to tell me how the set
Speaker 1: changed their life. Right, so uh he he. So he
Speaker 1: starts coming to me, and I employ the tactic of
Speaker 1: do not come on stage, right, don't come up here.
Speaker 1: If you come up here, it's gonna get bad. And
Speaker 1: so he comes fully on stage and then so I
Speaker 1: grabbed him by his jacket and uh wet, fully wet
Speaker 1: from head to toe. This rainy or it was not raining.
Speaker 1: He got wet by other means, that's bad. That's you
Speaker 1: don't like, you know, like any wet clothing, no matter
Speaker 1: what the circumstance, even if it just came out of
Speaker 1: the washing machine or whatever. When you touch it, there's
Speaker 1: something so unsettling and just you just have an immediate
Speaker 1: kind of visceral reaction of at least I do a
Speaker 1: negative reaction to it. And this was a stranger wearing
Speaker 1: a wet jacket, so you don't know where that was.
Speaker 1: You know. What's funny is is this this is available
Speaker 1: on YouTube? Oh really, this interaction and I have not
Speaker 1: watch this interaction because this is probably Nick Turner, Nick Turner, Heckler.
Speaker 1: What do we think, Yeah, Nick Turner Heckler should do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: watch Nick Turner face off with a drugged up Heckler.
Speaker 1: This is written about on vulture dot com. Is this
Speaker 1: correct New York Magazine's Vulture. Yeah, that's you're right here,
Speaker 1: you are here. I'm looking at it right now. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I can't play the sound right now because I don't
Speaker 1: want to. You know, we have to do this interview.
Speaker 1: But it's clear from just your body language you're crushing it. Yes,
Speaker 1: thank you. I'm so comfortable, you're relaxed. You can see
Speaker 1: you at full control of the crowd. There's no question
Speaker 1: this is that you're night anyhow, I will watch it.
Speaker 1: So he comes on stage, he's got a wet coat.
Speaker 1: Is there no security at this place? So there are
Speaker 1: no there's no security anywhere. Right. Oh do you get
Speaker 1: into like an actual altercation with this person? That's yeah,
Speaker 1: but multiple But you know, at a bunch of times
Speaker 1: doing comedy shows, like at comedy clubs, like comedy clubs,
Speaker 1: you would be surprised about I got into. I will
Speaker 1: get into a situation where I ask for security and
Speaker 1: no one answers, not even anyone who works there. Do
Speaker 1: you think they think you're doing a thing like a bit.
Speaker 1: You know, it could be a bit, right, that's possible,
Speaker 1: That is possible. But if I say it enough times,
Speaker 1: at some point they're gonna hear the distressing your voice.
Speaker 1: All right, So I don't know how far you wentto this. Yes,
Speaker 1: I picked you touch I'm not. I mean, I can't
Speaker 1: watch the whole thing right now. But you So he
Speaker 1: grabbed him by his wet jacket. Yeah, so I pick
Speaker 1: up a mic, alright, pick up the mic stand to
Speaker 1: do something I get off. Yeah, it goes into the audience.
Speaker 1: H shit, you looking at it right now? So the
Speaker 1: host I'm just scrubbing past. It's it's so long. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but the host help me drag him off stage, and
Speaker 1: then I have to finish. How did this guy even
Speaker 1: get in? Like, isn't there like a bouncer at the door.
Speaker 1: It's not an all ages show run anywhere. Nobody gives
Speaker 1: a shit about stand up comedians. That's why slaps. How
Speaker 1: do you mean? But somebody has to card somebody, right,
Speaker 1: You can't just go in there and get a drink
Speaker 1: just being anybody off the street. I've had friends get
Speaker 1: punched during their sets. I've had friends get punched after
Speaker 1: their sets by like people who got kicked out. I
Speaker 1: have a friend who had a microphone broken over his head.
Speaker 1: I've had There's been so much violence. It doesn't sound good.
Speaker 1: It doesn't sound funny at all, honest with you, it's
Speaker 1: not funny, you know what I mean? What you're describing
Speaker 1: doesn't sound like a humorist and entertaining time to me?
Speaker 1: Why time it was pretty funny because somebody was heckling
Speaker 1: and then they started to come towards stage and I say,
Speaker 1: I'll be like, don't get on the stage. And then
Speaker 1: they go a little closer and I'd be like, if
Speaker 1: you get on the stage, I'm going to hit you
Speaker 1: with this nockstand. This is what I say. Okay, so
Speaker 1: you like to wield the mic stand that's kind of
Speaker 1: your weapon of choice. I'm nervous. My comedy is confrontational,
Speaker 1: is it? When I'm riffing? Okay, when I'm doing crowd work,
Speaker 1: I say, you know, you can go anywhere because people
Speaker 1: get you know, and right, and you're not afraid to
Speaker 1: say what's on your mind. You any good, like any
Speaker 1: good comedian. You're ready to unload from the dome because
Speaker 1: you're you're frankly a modern day philosopher. I think we
Speaker 1: all know that, and yeah, we gotta be We gotta
Speaker 1: hear what you're thinking, no matter how brazen it is.
Speaker 1: So I later found out this was the DJ of
Speaker 1: the show and I had gotten there later. Wait wait, wait, wait,
Speaker 1: the guy you threatened with the mic stand, The guy's
Speaker 1: wed jack stand. You know, heavy face mic stand. You
Speaker 1: know one of these, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And uh
Speaker 1: so he finally comes on stage, and so I throw
Speaker 1: the mic stand on his foot. Oh wow, was he
Speaker 1: just trying to adjust the monitors or something. I think
Speaker 1: he was just drunk and thought because he DJed the
Speaker 1: pre show that he was part of the show. But
Speaker 1: I did not know this guy right, and I was
Speaker 1: very clear that he should not be a part of
Speaker 1: my show. I wouldn't have gotten on stage if you
Speaker 1: said that to me. Thank you, unless there your life
Speaker 1: was in danger. If like there was a guy behind you,
Speaker 1: like like a ghost face from Scream was behind you
Speaker 1: and I was trying to get you out of the
Speaker 1: way of his knife, I might do it anyway, But
Speaker 1: thank you so much was happening. You're a ride or
Speaker 1: die listen, you know, if I see somebody who about
Speaker 1: to be killed by ghost face nine times that ten.
Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna at least try to swat the knife
Speaker 1: way or something. You know. I'm just that's who I am. Okay,
Speaker 1: So I get off stage. Yep. Then I I exit.
Speaker 1: I go to the right. I leave if I go
Speaker 1: in the back area. I realized that back area is
Speaker 1: nothing but like a smoker's lounge. And then I turn
Speaker 1: around and the wall that I have just you know,
Speaker 1: gone through, is one glass, and the audience is just
Speaker 1: looking at me, just standing outside in a tiny smoker's area.
Speaker 1: This is from bad to worth. I had to come
Speaker 1: back out. It was not going well. Also, I'm sorry
Speaker 1: you made it. Can I just say you made a
Speaker 1: fatal area. You should have got boomed a cigarette off
Speaker 1: of somebody and started smoking. I would have just been like,
Speaker 1: I'm out here, I need a smoke. There was no
Speaker 1: one out there, that's Unfortunately. It was the saddest thing
Speaker 1: you could imagine. So I left and then I heard
Speaker 1: next week that DJ got fired for stealing CDs. Okay,
Speaker 1: in a way, you were like a Batman character in
Speaker 1: your scenario. Really you're kind of an avenger. Yes, you know,
Speaker 1: a dark avenger. This guy was nonsense and I'm you know,
Speaker 1: the only one willing to throw bikes did as someone's chore,
Speaker 1: willing to break their foot with the bike's did. That'll
Speaker 1: slow them down, though, right, Like that'll slow somebody down
Speaker 1: if you break their foot or whatever. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: a good way to somebody's coming out. I don't know,
Speaker 1: adrenaline can fix a lot of feet, that's true, all right,
Speaker 1: So but anyhow, it's interesting, like it's funny to hear
Speaker 1: the story. Not funny, obviously, it's very h weird, scary stuff.
Speaker 1: But but it's interesting that, like, you know, I'm talking
Speaker 1: about Chris Rock and Will Smith two of the biggest
Speaker 1: celebrities in the world right basically known all over the world,
Speaker 1: massively famous. I mean, obviously Will Smith is a very
Speaker 1: very big celebrity. I think Chris Rock is pretty famous. Um,
Speaker 1: but it's like this is just a thing with comedians,
Speaker 1: is what you're saying. Like this is just like people
Speaker 1: just think they can come up if they don't like,
Speaker 1: they don't like what they hear, or if they think
Speaker 1: they want to add something or whatever, they can just
Speaker 1: jump up on stage. I mean, don't you think people
Speaker 1: like thought maybe it was a bit. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it doesn't the bit was not completed. I
Speaker 1: mean it's obvious they're not doing a bit, but I
Speaker 1: can see how people would think they were doing a
Speaker 1: bit for a while one second or two seconds afterwards,
Speaker 1: I was like I was trying to figure out, like
Speaker 1: what it is that just happened, right, because I didn't
Speaker 1: quite really understand like unprecedented. Yeah, it was just like
Speaker 1: it was just like what happened. I'm like, was this
Speaker 1: some weird bit that didn't land somehow or like, you know,
Speaker 1: because there's shit like that at award shows all the time.
Speaker 1: I think. So my guess is like when you see
Speaker 1: Will Smith approaching the stage the Oscars and then, by
Speaker 1: the way, I think, did he immediately win an oscar
Speaker 1: after that? Nobody remembers that part he did. He actually
Speaker 1: won a fucking Academy Award like two minutes after slapping
Speaker 1: Chris Rock in the face because he didn't like a
Speaker 1: random comment that he made, which was really nothing, I
Speaker 1: mean really not anyhow, but like not that there's any
Speaker 1: justification for hitting somebody unless they're a Nazi, which case
Speaker 1: obviously they have Nazis and anywhere and everywhere. That's a
Speaker 1: whole different type of interaction. Yeah, it's that you can't
Speaker 1: be up there. You can't be a modern day philosopher
Speaker 1: speaking in your mind, speaking your truth, and you know,
Speaker 1: you don't have any sense of protection from the world
Speaker 1: at large. I mean, I feel like, let's be honest,
Speaker 1: comedian should be able to say whatever they want, yeah,
Speaker 1: and and nobody should question it. But you know, on
Speaker 1: the other hand, you know, comedians are you know, it's
Speaker 1: such a selfish profession, right to get it, I mean,
Speaker 1: the idea, but it's not selfish. It's not selfish because
Speaker 1: to be fair, I think most people and I and
Speaker 1: I feel this way because I'm like a I think
Speaker 1: like in another version of myself, I might have like
Speaker 1: been like, this is what I should do because obviously
Speaker 1: I have a podcast first off, which is like a
Speaker 1: totally self centered, like weird sort of thing to do.
Speaker 1: But um, you're like, oh, you know, people want to
Speaker 1: hear me talk like right, like I should just be
Speaker 1: on do a show where people listen to me. But
Speaker 1: I think that most comedians are probably like, it's you.
Speaker 1: It's your an impulse, right, You're getting something from that
Speaker 1: interaction that is like deeper than like you want to
Speaker 1: be popular, right, Like don't you? I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: know bout that's true for you, but I mean it's
Speaker 1: it's completely an extension of my real life personality right
Speaker 1: where I'm trying to get people to laugh all the time,
Speaker 1: right anyway? And then why is that? Do you think?
Speaker 1: Why do you think you're trying to get people to
Speaker 1: laugh because I'm hilarious, right, but like why why you
Speaker 1: want to be hilarious to other people? Like what do
Speaker 1: you get out of? In all seriousness? What do you
Speaker 1: get out of like when you make people laugh? Because
Speaker 1: I mean, I understand, but like, yeah, I feel like
Speaker 1: when I'm when I'm doing a bit or whatever amongst
Speaker 1: my friends, I feel like somehow I'm like fearing silence
Speaker 1: or people aren't enjoying themselves, or or I just can't
Speaker 1: stop myself because like I'm not in control of my mind.
Speaker 1: Like don't you, I mean, do you not feel that
Speaker 1: any of those things? I mean, I it's simple, you know,
Speaker 1: I do stand up because people tell me I'm good
Speaker 1: at it, and when I do other things, nobody tells
Speaker 1: me I'm good at it, right, really, And I'll gravitate
Speaker 1: towards to think I'm good at Well, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of things you can be good at, but you can't
Speaker 1: really do professionally, right, Yeah, yeah, I've got I've gotten
Speaker 1: really good at a couple of video games. But and yes,
Speaker 1: there are professional video gamers, but I don't think that
Speaker 1: can be applied to like I can have a pretty
Speaker 1: good lifestyle. Like if I just like professionally play video games,
Speaker 1: I don't think that would be a job. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean when you were when you
Speaker 1: were a kid in the nineties, Yeah, you didn't have
Speaker 1: a channel just constantly playing clips of professional video gamers,
Speaker 1: but there was a channel that was like, look at
Speaker 1: all the coolest guys, funniest guys in the world. Right,
Speaker 1: don't you want to do this shit? Yeah, I guess
Speaker 1: that is true. I guess art. But don't you think
Speaker 1: that there isn't there a whole crop of you know,
Speaker 1: new comedians who are like I'm on TikTok or I
Speaker 1: do my thing on Oh yeah, you know Instagram different Right,
Speaker 1: that's it's dip, you know, I mean, that's that's the
Speaker 1: future that I saw in the nineties. You know, it
Speaker 1: existed for a little bit, but it doesn't exist anymore.
Speaker 1: The future of being a stand up comedian in the future. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like what you thought, you know, your career would be
Speaker 1: how it worked, you know, how the industry worked. You
Speaker 1: were like, I could be Dane Dane Cook level, right,
Speaker 1: Dane Cook, the famous infamous MySpace comedian. Yeah, he was
Speaker 1: a guy on my Space. This is the this is
Speaker 1: the storyline. Dane Cook was like, that was a popular
Speaker 1: guy on my Space. He did like some MySpace jokes
Speaker 1: or I don't even know how it worked. Did they
Speaker 1: even have video on my Space? In that era? It
Speaker 1: was like the two thousands, like, um, you know he
Speaker 1: was famous from his like half hour you know, and
Speaker 1: then his album right, and he was famous on MySpace
Speaker 1: just for having the most for him. Yes, that was
Speaker 1: an era when people are like I could blow up
Speaker 1: and become a huge like stand up comedian, like, not
Speaker 1: that Dane Cook is the model obviously. Well, I think
Speaker 1: that the point, like the thing that I thought was
Speaker 1: happening that ended up not to be happening, was that
Speaker 1: if you want to do stand up comedy, you have
Speaker 1: to become great at stand up comedy for ten years.
Speaker 1: You have to do stand up comedy for free nearly
Speaker 1: every night. You get a grind and then you get
Speaker 1: a career, right, which all happened. But what I didn't
Speaker 1: have as part of the equation back then was the
Speaker 1: need for social media, which I am terrible at because
Speaker 1: I am too earnest. That's a marketing that's a marketing job.
Speaker 1: That's a marketer's job basically, So that became, you know,
Speaker 1: it grew in importance through the years to being paramount,
Speaker 1: especially during the pandemic. But but way before that, you know, right,
Speaker 1: and so like, I'm not like a techie guy. It
Speaker 1: takes me a really long time to make a video
Speaker 1: and it's not it's just not the same for me,
Speaker 1: and so right, that's what I mean. And just like
Speaker 1: things changed so much, you know, they they're like become undeniable.
Speaker 1: You know. At coding, right, you'd be you'd be I
Speaker 1: think you'd be an amazing coder, to be honest, I
Speaker 1: have you ever checked it out? No? I mean yeah,
Speaker 1: but the whole But that's everything I mean to a degree,
Speaker 1: not to say this is not a unique to comedy,
Speaker 1: but there's also like I mean, in a way like
Speaker 1: when I when I was just when you were talking,
Speaker 1: I was thinking about, like, you know, I was a DJ,
Speaker 1: and I was in bands and was surrounded by people
Speaker 1: who were like musicians, and my brother is a musician.
Speaker 1: And in the nineties and in the even in the
Speaker 1: early two thousands, like there was a feeling like you
Speaker 1: could get to a certain level, Like you might not
Speaker 1: be like Rolling Stones level if you're a band or whatever,
Speaker 1: but you could get to a level it's like pretty good.
Speaker 1: You can have like a pretty large audience. And it's
Speaker 1: really about in the nineties and in the in the
Speaker 1: early two thousands, it was like, are you touring And
Speaker 1: if you're touring a lot and you build a following,
Speaker 1: you it was like if you got like whatever, the
Speaker 1: thing is like ten thousand people who love what you're
Speaker 1: doing or whatever fucking bullshit number. But the truth is
Speaker 1: that's actually not the case now because like the economics
Speaker 1: of it aren't the same as they were. Even if
Speaker 1: you can sell out a thousand person venue wherever you go,
Speaker 1: the economics of your entire career or like in music
Speaker 1: for instance, are just completely altered now it's been it's
Speaker 1: been thinned out and disseminated so much amongst like this
Speaker 1: larger pool and the way people actually engage with music,
Speaker 1: and I would say, I'm sure the same is true
Speaker 1: for comedy, Like there was a much more sort of
Speaker 1: gate kept way to do it, right, Like this is
Speaker 1: actually maybe this is a broad thing that goes across
Speaker 1: to so many industries. But like, if you wanted to
Speaker 1: be a comedian in nineteen ninety five, there was no YouTube,
Speaker 1: there was no social media, There was barely an Internet
Speaker 1: at all. If you wanted to do comedy, you could
Speaker 1: You could only really just go somewhere and try to
Speaker 1: do comedy, like do an open mic or just get
Speaker 1: on like a do a set somewhere or whatever. I mean, again,
Speaker 1: it's not my world, but my assumption is that was it. Like,
Speaker 1: and you started doing that and eventually you could build
Speaker 1: up if you were good and people liked you and
Speaker 1: there was word of mouth and whatever. Maybe you put
Speaker 1: flyers up for your shows or handed them out, but
Speaker 1: like you could build a following like an indie ban
Speaker 1: would build a following in the same way. Right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like Kevin Hart when he started, he traveled with a team.
Speaker 1: He came out the gate. He had people that would
Speaker 1: travel everywhere with him, just like his friends. That was
Speaker 1: a street team. Yes, yeah, yes, exactly, they would. Um,
Speaker 1: they would get emails from everybody in every audience, and
Speaker 1: every time he came back to any city, he would
Speaker 1: email every single person that has ever come to his
Speaker 1: show there, and uh, like anyone could have done that.
Speaker 1: But that's that's an insane amount of work. It's a
Speaker 1: ton of work. That's that's a marketing that's marketing work.
Speaker 1: So he's like a really killer marketer on top of
Speaker 1: being yeah well yeah, and now he's you know, he's
Speaker 1: like uh jay z right, he's like a billionaire off
Speaker 1: of not his shoes now. So it's a rough, horrible
Speaker 1: industry where the chances for success I've been dramatically sliced
Speaker 1: down to almost nothing. Now, would you say that's accurate
Speaker 1: and accurate depiction? I don't think that's true. I think
Speaker 1: that's true. I think that was always true. Are we
Speaker 1: still making I don't think it's anymore so. Now I'm not, like,
Speaker 1: obviously again, not in the world of comedy yet until
Speaker 1: I make my Morgan Freeman like entrance at my very
Speaker 1: very old age. And I'll wear a glove too, probably
Speaker 1: as well, just for the hell of it. Um, But
Speaker 1: is there like a next Chris Rock, Like, is there
Speaker 1: a next? I mean, I don't want to I hate
Speaker 1: to say, I hate to say Louis K. But Louis
Speaker 1: KA was before he was you know, became you know,
Speaker 1: whatever version of Louis Ka he is now, who's a
Speaker 1: creep in a in a weirdo. He was like massively
Speaker 1: mainstream popular, Like everybody loved Louis c K, like just
Speaker 1: cut across all, you know, he had a show. You know,
Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of really funny specials. There's way
Speaker 1: more comedy specials than there have ever been. I feel
Speaker 1: like right now, like there's like a dime a dozen
Speaker 1: you you know, on everyone's streaming service. But it can
Speaker 1: people get to can people still get to like a
Speaker 1: Chris Rock love? You know, I don't think people get
Speaker 1: the reps that they used to. I think that everything
Speaker 1: is so fractured. Also, it's like audiences are so fractured
Speaker 1: because you can search for the thing that you like already,
Speaker 1: right you know, people don't have to coalesce around one entity,
Speaker 1: you know, and it makes it so much more difficult
Speaker 1: for someone to get that big. But people, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like how big do you have to get I
Speaker 1: mean there's still comedians like selling out Madison Square Gardens.
Speaker 1: I mean Louise sold out Madison Square Gardens like on
Speaker 1: more than one night. I think, yeah, yeah, but that's
Speaker 1: like like in New York, right, there's gotta be a
Speaker 1: whole set of people that have no awareness about his
Speaker 1: sex creep stuff, Like they're not they just don't didn't
Speaker 1: read the article, they didn't see the story, right, Like
Speaker 1: if you think about them, just massive people that exist. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: it's it's also in how you present that information of
Speaker 1: what he did, right, Because there's no legal entanglement, then
Speaker 1: it really gives people car to just whatever spin on
Speaker 1: it they want. Right. They can be like, well, the girls,
Speaker 1: you know, exaggerated or they were just looking for attention
Speaker 1: or whatever fucking you know, ship to people. I mean,
Speaker 1: the thing I hear they he asked and they said yes, right, sure. Anyway,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like it's if only he'd come out
Speaker 1: with that statement, yeah, he'd be like, well they I asked,
Speaker 1: and they said, yeah, so I think everything's fine, no
Speaker 1: big deal. No, but he turned heel, right, And what
Speaker 1: would have been nice if he'd have been like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I really hadn't put it in that perspective, and uh
Speaker 1: said that more than once. I think Louis k could
Speaker 1: be back on top and full on mainstream like new
Speaker 1: shows like setting even doing better than selling that mass
Speaker 1: still hostings and now if he had simply just come
Speaker 1: up with like what felt like a heartfelt and decent
Speaker 1: like explanation and apology for the situation. But I feel
Speaker 1: like his reaction was like, I'm going to be angry
Speaker 1: at people for feeling like this was like bad of
Speaker 1: me or whatever, Like he kind of didn't really go like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I fucked up and this is really bad and I
Speaker 1: need to work on it, and I feel horrible and
Speaker 1: I've apologized privately to these people and I'm gonna, you know,
Speaker 1: be a better man or what you know, whatever you
Speaker 1: would say that can exonerate you from not exonerate you,
Speaker 1: but at least get people going like, well, at least
Speaker 1: he you know, kind of realizes, yeah, I think some
Speaker 1: of that Like in the nineties, um, like Hugh Grant, yes,
Speaker 1: you know, gets caught with a prostitute who has to
Speaker 1: go on. Jay Leno says he's sorry everybody. Everybody in
Speaker 1: the world watched that because we were all watching it anyway,
Speaker 1: there's a there's only things, you know, so many things,
Speaker 1: that's right. There was actually there were only like two
Speaker 1: things to watch at eleven thirty on on in the
Speaker 1: week for sure. So now you have to go on
Speaker 1: like ten podcasts, do six late night set or you
Speaker 1: know appearances. Yeah, um, you gotta do an Oprah and
Speaker 1: all of that. You know, Cobbled Together gets as many
Speaker 1: views as that. Right, Well, we've we have you know,
Speaker 1: Jay Leno, but we've distributed. Well that's because we've just
Speaker 1: distributed the audiences across all of these wonderful platforms. We're
Speaker 1: no longer gate kept by the networks. Okay, you can
Speaker 1: just if you want to put a message out to
Speaker 1: the world, you just go post it on YouTube and
Speaker 1: anybody can see it or nobody usually is what actually happens.
Speaker 1: Nobody sees it. But yeah, yeah, that's the thing. And
Speaker 1: so today you go do the Tonight Show and you
Speaker 1: say you're sorry, and you think that that's gonna like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I did it. That's not the case anymore, right, did
Speaker 1: he do that though he didn't do that. No, he
Speaker 1: put out a statement that like said all the things
Speaker 1: that you want to hear. Yeah, I would have were Louis,
Speaker 1: of course I'm not. To me, that's like make your
Speaker 1: next whatever you do next, needs to be addressing this
Speaker 1: in like a totally real way, like everything he's done comedically.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's like he's like very real, like
Speaker 1: very Rod's very like this is how I feel and
Speaker 1: think or whatever, Like why not just go wow, like
Speaker 1: I fucked up and I'm now I'm like going to
Speaker 1: talk about it because that's what I do for a living.
Speaker 1: As I talk about shit that's on my mind. I
Speaker 1: feel like anyway, whatever I'm not, I don't need to
Speaker 1: give Louis career advice. But I guess my point is
Speaker 1: like getting back to the kind of main thing here
Speaker 1: is like Louis Kay was a massive, super popular I
Speaker 1: mean in a way like did did even shit like
Speaker 1: that make it harder for somebody to become like the
Speaker 1: next Chappelle or the next Louis k or whatever. I mean?
Speaker 1: Is it It's not just the platform stuff is not
Speaker 1: just like the way the audiences have been broken apart.
Speaker 1: But is it Like I don't know, has comedy lost
Speaker 1: its sheen a little bit? I mean, has it lost
Speaker 1: It's the differences? Like you could get big like Dane
Speaker 1: Cook off of a stand up comedy before, but now
Speaker 1: you can't. You have to get big off of your movies,
Speaker 1: your TV shows, and you know, also your stand up comedy.
Speaker 1: And the thing about the specials now is that when
Speaker 1: you watch a special filmed at Madison Square Garden, when
Speaker 1: you watch someone special, you're looking at a formerly great comedian,
Speaker 1: a person who formerly went out every night and killed
Speaker 1: it for an hour in front of crowds all over
Speaker 1: the country every night, killed right, that was their job.
Speaker 1: And then they did movies for five years, yeah, and
Speaker 1: stop doing stand up completely. And then they get a
Speaker 1: special and they do stand up for six weeks and
Speaker 1: then do an hour and you're like, that's not what
Speaker 1: it's not? Yeah, the kind of razor sharp version of themselves. Right. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, everybody gets old. Everybody gets old, and
Speaker 1: not me. If you get rich doing whatever the other
Speaker 1: things are, my guess is you probably don't want to
Speaker 1: go out on the road anymore. And grind oh fuck,
Speaker 1: are you continuing to pursue comedy? Is this? You feel
Speaker 1: like you're going to continue with all of this? And
Speaker 1: I gotta say you, we've painted a very a very
Speaker 1: dark picture. No, I for sure have and it's so funny.
Speaker 1: How many dates I'm gonna say at the end, are
Speaker 1: you gonna promote many shows you're doing? Okay, so you're
Speaker 1: going how many nights a week are you out doing
Speaker 1: doing a comedy? Um? I did a special for Epics,
Speaker 1: which is a channel like a year and half ago.
Speaker 1: If I had to done my research, I would have
Speaker 1: watched that. No, it's fine, And so after that I
Speaker 1: haven't really been doing stand up comedy because that's when
Speaker 1: my baby came into the world, and stand up comedy
Speaker 1: is uh, you know, it's diminishing return. Sure, but I
Speaker 1: have an album deal that I signed three years ago,
Speaker 1: and they're like, you gotta make this up. Are you
Speaker 1: signed a deal to do an album and you and
Speaker 1: you never and you never released any albums? Is that
Speaker 1: what you're saying? Oh? No, I have an album it's
Speaker 1: called Yelling. But now I'm saying, oh, with this with
Speaker 1: this current deal, like they're still waiting on material from you.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, they're still wait right, And that's that's
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure. They were like, do this thing,
Speaker 1: and I was like, that makes sense, right, And so
Speaker 1: I'm going to record an album in uh in April.
Speaker 1: But before that, I'm on the road a bunch. And
Speaker 1: where do you do that? Do you go one venue
Speaker 1: you're like, I'm going to record here or is it?
Speaker 1: Do you get multiple places and you put it together? No?
Speaker 1: I mean because it costs the label money right to
Speaker 1: do it again, to bring out the fancy microphone right
Speaker 1: when they record it, to give you the really all
Speaker 1: in that one by that really good microphone, like just
Speaker 1: and we have there, like we have an hour of tape.
Speaker 1: We're doing this on analog. We wanted to have that
Speaker 1: analog warmth, but you have an hour and then we
Speaker 1: run out of tape. Bring in the mieh. It takes
Speaker 1: six guys to carry it. It's a really but it's German.
Speaker 1: I mean you know it's German engineered. So it's really
Speaker 1: good stuff. So you're doing when are you doing that?
Speaker 1: When are you going to record an album? That'll be
Speaker 1: mid April. I don't have a date set um, but
Speaker 1: it's most likely here at the Lyric Hyperion in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: And you're like, good to go, You've got all your material,
Speaker 1: You're ready, You're locked and loaded. You know exactly what
Speaker 1: you're gonna do well. You know it'll be better once
Speaker 1: I finish all my road dates, right, which you're gonna
Speaker 1: tell us about at the end of this. We're not
Speaker 1: Oh you can't. We're not there yet. We're not there
Speaker 1: yet because I haven't asked you the most important question.
Speaker 1: Do you remember where you were when you heard the
Speaker 1: UM nineteen ninety eight smash Rave Hit Pistol Whip by
Speaker 1: Joshua Ryan? Can you place the time? The venue? Who
Speaker 1: was Djane? Do you happen to know? Okay, you were
Speaker 1: a raver? We should say you were a raver in
Speaker 1: the nineties. I for sure it was Okay, you had Jenkos,
Speaker 1: you had real original Jenkos late nineties. Yeah. Uh. The
Speaker 1: DC scene a very hot scene. Uh, Scott Henry for sure? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Who or the other? I'm trying to think of other
Speaker 1: DC DJs on Cox. Carl Cox is from Detroit, though,
Speaker 1: isn't he? I don't know. I was just trying to
Speaker 1: remember a name. Kay, I don't care. I was there
Speaker 1: for the ecstasy. That's a name of a DJ O. Wait,
Speaker 1: Carl cox By, Actually, Carl Cox I think is British?
Speaker 1: Wait who is Carl? Oh? Yeah, Cox is British. I'm
Speaker 1: thinking of Carl Craig, who is from Detroit. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know. You don't know, but I do. He's Detroit
Speaker 1: kind of Detroit techno pioneer. Carl Cox is from England
Speaker 1: and he might have been like a Radio one DJ
Speaker 1: at some point as well. He's like a peaked tong
Speaker 1: era luminary. I was trying to remember the name of
Speaker 1: the guy whose slogan was like all music, no drugs,
Speaker 1: this or something. I don't know. That guy sounds like
Speaker 1: no fun to me though. Yeah, he was like the
Speaker 1: one sober that's no good, that's not good. I don't
Speaker 1: think that was it was he British. It's not possible,
Speaker 1: is it. There's no sober British people, you know. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I really, I've never met a sober British
Speaker 1: person for the record, So, yeah, it was really fucked
Speaker 1: up trance music. Trance, okay, Yeah, well that's that's what
Speaker 1: that's what you're into. There's no question that you definitely
Speaker 1: were on ecstasy dancing to a record that I produced.
Speaker 1: This is I'm sorry, Um, I'm losing my voice. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure what to do. Are you you sick? Yeah? Really?
Speaker 1: Oh well, you didn't tell me that I didn't know Lyra,
Speaker 1: you didn't tell me that this man was coming on
Speaker 1: at risk to his vocal cords. I'm getting over it,
Speaker 1: you are. But all right, Nick, Well here's I think
Speaker 1: this is a sign you're losing your voice, which means I, well,
Speaker 1: you and I have talked so much we didn't even
Speaker 1: get into we're gonna have to apart two about rave years.
Speaker 1: I feel so guilty. It's God's way of saying to us,
Speaker 1: wrap it up. You know this is God doing that
Speaker 1: circular emotion. You know that finger emotion. Is this the
Speaker 1: wrap it up motion? This right here? Yeah? Am I
Speaker 1: doing it the wrong direction? Is there a right direction?
Speaker 1: Is it like this? God famously has no patience like that.
Speaker 1: He's like, let's go. You mentioned earlier when we were
Speaker 1: deep in our very serious conversation about the perils of
Speaker 1: comedy and whether or not you would continue on with
Speaker 1: your comedy career, which clearly you're going to, even even
Speaker 1: in the face of will Smith like attacks happening all
Speaker 1: the time, will Smith like physical altercations happening on stages everywhere,
Speaker 1: You're going to continue on, and and you're going to
Speaker 1: tell people listening to this that you've got some upcoming
Speaker 1: comedy dates. You're willing to risk it all life and
Speaker 1: limb to speak your truth, your powerful modern day philosopher
Speaker 1: style truth to the masses. So please tell us Nick,
Speaker 1: where we can hear the words of wisdom. Yes, I
Speaker 1: hope that everyone is ready, um, and I will not
Speaker 1: speak for the next forty eight hours so they I
Speaker 1: can do the shows. Okay, good, Okay. This weekend March tenth,
Speaker 1: I'm in Santa Cruz, California. That's California, Marshall eleventh, I'm
Speaker 1: at the Hideout in San Francisco. That's also California. Yes.
Speaker 1: And then next week on the seventeenth, I'm in Salem, Oregon.
Speaker 1: And on the eighteenth back in San Francisco. Um. April seventh,
Speaker 1: I'm in Houston, and I'm also going to be in
Speaker 1: Austin and Dallas wow on that trip as well. So
Speaker 1: check out my Twitter at Nick's Turners. Terrible name, just
Speaker 1: plural terrible. Sorry, Nick Turners, It's just Nick Turner with
Speaker 1: an ass on the end of each of the name. Sucks. Joshes.
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, I know you already know this.
Speaker 1: It is like incredibly bad, just a incredibly bad idea.
Speaker 1: For so I've had people at shows like be like,
Speaker 1: um oh, I'm bringing you up next, like, is it
Speaker 1: Nicks because they saw my handle? No, it's terrible. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that and losing my voice are the two worst ideas
Speaker 1: I've ever had. This is the thing about great comedians
Speaker 1: and great comedy is from the depths of despair, from
Speaker 1: a dark place, you're able to shine a bright light
Speaker 1: and speak on issues that we all connect with. And
Speaker 1: that is why that's why You've got whoever's listening has
Speaker 1: to if you're in anywhere near where Nick is performing,
Speaker 1: you have to go and be shown that light in person.
Speaker 1: Even if his voice is completely failing as it is now,
Speaker 1: I'm sure it will still be you know, it'll be
Speaker 1: painful to listen to, but at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: the truths that he's to be speaking will be very
Speaker 1: valuable to have heard. No, if I if my voice
Speaker 1: went before a show, would you would see my backup?
Speaker 1: It would be you, Josh, you first, Well, I would
Speaker 1: love Will you step in? I will tell you this,
Speaker 1: if you call, I will be there. I have no
Speaker 1: material prepared, but I'm willing to do it off the cuff,
Speaker 1: which I believe, even though I know I think it's
Speaker 1: classically considered to be the absolute worst thing you can do,
Speaker 1: I believe that I could really do a great job
Speaker 1: just riffing. So I'm ready to jump up there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well you know why. It's because riffing is easier than writing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't have to write jokes because I can just ramble,
Speaker 1: and I think that'll be just as good as a
Speaker 1: real comedy act. Yeah, comedy. Really, it's like, if you
Speaker 1: want a guaranteed laugh, you ask an audience member any
Speaker 1: question and then they respond in any way, and then
Speaker 1: you go, Okay, I get well, I get that. I
Speaker 1: get that. That checks out for me, Like in my soul,
Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying, and it's like you just
Speaker 1: you could just mock a person. If you could just
Speaker 1: mock a person for any reason. Yeah, there's somebody's gonna
Speaker 1: connect shirt up. No one can even see the shirt.
Speaker 1: Someone will connect. God, someone will connect with you making
Speaker 1: fun of another person in some kind of vague way, right,
Speaker 1: Like you're not really even commented on the thing. You're
Speaker 1: just reacting in a kind of mocking manner, which I
Speaker 1: think if people understand that's good yeah, and this sucks
Speaker 1: because I did have questions about how the DJ hierarchy
Speaker 1: worked in the No, man, there's I have so many
Speaker 1: answers too. I know that you wrote your own song.
Speaker 1: I did because you were doing it the right way.
Speaker 1: That's correct. I was a DJ, producer, producer DJ. Would
Speaker 1: you say you're more or less talented than one of
Speaker 1: the most testiful DJs of all time, DJ Paris Hilton. Well,
Speaker 1: there's no doubt that Paris Hilton is very talented. Yeah,
Speaker 1: in a bunch of different ways. Like, of course she's
Speaker 1: been handed everything in life. But a lot of people
Speaker 1: get all of the riches in the world and get
Speaker 1: the name and they can't do anything with it. Paris
Speaker 1: Hilton is undoubtedly a very talented, very talented performer and personality.
Speaker 1: As to her DJ in capabilities, I have never heard
Speaker 1: her DJ. I have heard her song Stars Are Blind,
Speaker 1: which I consider to be a banger. So if her
Speaker 1: DJ is anything like Stars Are Blind? Are you familiar
Speaker 1: with the song? By the way, No, I need to
Speaker 1: hear you sing it. Oh really, it's it's quite a
Speaker 1: catchy little I would say. I want to say like
Speaker 1: reggae infused pop song that she did in the I
Speaker 1: want to call it like two thousand and six or
Speaker 1: two thousand and three or something somewhere between two thousand
Speaker 1: three two six. Anyhow, I mean, if if her Dje
Speaker 1: is anything like her song Stars Are Blind, which is
Speaker 1: the only music of hers I've ever heard, then I
Speaker 1: would say she's she's a Tisto level talent. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if you respect him, but I doubt
Speaker 1: that you do. Here's what I will say about Tisto.
Speaker 1: I think, first off, Tiesto was like a regular sort
Speaker 1: of underground trance producer and then became super huge and
Speaker 1: rode a wave of very kind of I would say,
Speaker 1: populist kind of trance, like very commercial maga trans not maga,
Speaker 1: but like people who are maga. It's the kind of
Speaker 1: trance music they enjoy too, you know. It's like Vegas
Speaker 1: trance exactly. It's a great way to describe it. However,
Speaker 1: Tiesto has remained and I will stand by this consistently
Speaker 1: one of the best like producers of club music. And
Speaker 1: I don't mean like there's even the super cheesy stuff.
Speaker 1: I'm not a listener, Like I don't listen to Tisto
Speaker 1: certainly his singles. I have DJed several of them in
Speaker 1: the old days, back in the day, but even some
Speaker 1: of his later stuff, I'm like, you know he can
Speaker 1: it's like pretty good at like putting together a pretty
Speaker 1: like credible like club track and not just like the
Speaker 1: cheesy shit like actually like pretty good like late night
Speaker 1: like three am, like it's hits really serious now like
Speaker 1: we've gotten rid of the we've gotten rid of the
Speaker 1: phonies with like the cheesy pop trance or whatever, and
Speaker 1: now like it's deep. It's deep and dark. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know Flight six four three if you I don't
Speaker 1: know if you've ever heard it is a Tisto. It
Speaker 1: was massively popular Tisto single. I wouldn't know the name
Speaker 1: of the song, but I would know it. I'm sure
Speaker 1: it was released two thousand and one, two thousand and
Speaker 1: one Flight six four three, and this was when he
Speaker 1: was getting really popular. Is like, it's kind of unbelievable
Speaker 1: how interesting it is as a song, although you have
Speaker 1: to be in you have to understand where it's where
Speaker 1: it functions, right, like like that kind of music doesn't
Speaker 1: function like you can listen to it on like a
Speaker 1: stereo that's fine or whatever. But it doesn't function that way,
Speaker 1: Like it actually is meant for an environment where literally
Speaker 1: it doesn't sound the same way, Like the way it
Speaker 1: functions physically in a space is different. Like that kind
Speaker 1: of music is meant to do something to people that
Speaker 1: is not the same thing as like a song you
Speaker 1: listen to on the radio, So out of context it
Speaker 1: can be like you're like, well, who cares or what
Speaker 1: does this do or what does it matter? In context
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, this is like your mind would be
Speaker 1: absolutely fucking blown. Like my record that I mentioned earlier, Pistol,
Speaker 1: which is like kind of a hit, like was a
Speaker 1: hit for its time amongst like trance people or whatever. Yo,
Speaker 1: what is that? What are the members on that? I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know. It was top forty hit in England
Speaker 1: one week. I can tell you that for one week
Speaker 1: it it was twenty nine on the top forty charts
Speaker 1: in England, So I can tell you we've got at
Speaker 1: least to that level of like it was such a popular,
Speaker 1: non vocal, totally instrumental nine minute track that it was
Speaker 1: on the top forty charts in all of the UK.
Speaker 1: It'll take you down the whole khole nine minutes they
Speaker 1: did a radio edit, but at any rate. But you know,
Speaker 1: But but I hated it when I had finished it,
Speaker 1: because this is what happens when you make music. You
Speaker 1: finish it and then you're like, this sucks. I fucking
Speaker 1: hate it by the time it goes out comes out
Speaker 1: on a piece of vinyl. Of course, this in the nineties,
Speaker 1: late nineties. Like I remember they got it into my
Speaker 1: local record store and they were like playing it and
Speaker 1: I'm like, a fucking song so stupid, Like why did
Speaker 1: they do this? And and I remember the guy at
Speaker 1: the record store like listening to it through like the
Speaker 1: breakdown and build up or whatever, and he was like
Speaker 1: he's like, Josh, this is pretty crazy. And I was
Speaker 1: like it really, I think it kind of blows and uh.
Speaker 1: And everybody was like this is really good, and I
Speaker 1: was like, this sucks. But I didn't really understand how
Speaker 1: it worked. Like weirdly, even though I made it, I
Speaker 1: didn't understand how it worked in a room full of
Speaker 1: people at three in the morning. It was like, it's
Speaker 1: a different It's it's just a totally different listening experience.
Speaker 1: It's a totally different like environment to hear something in
Speaker 1: so Yo. I'm wondering if you like um guys you
Speaker 1: would hang out with in the green room. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: just to likeing it to stand up, Like do you
Speaker 1: did like a bunch of those guys become massively successful?
Speaker 1: Uh No, Okay. I knew some very successful DJs, and
Speaker 1: I knew some people who were like seemed like they
Speaker 1: could be on the um, you know, upswing. There are
Speaker 1: a few people I know who well I went from
Speaker 1: being pretty successful too, very successful. The numbers very small,
Speaker 1: very small. I mean, it's like, I don't know if
Speaker 1: this is true. I'm sure it is true. In comedy,
Speaker 1: there were a lot of people who were not good,
Speaker 1: and we're just kicking around all the time because like
Speaker 1: you need some DJs at a club, or you need
Speaker 1: some DJs at a rave, and there's always gonna be
Speaker 1: a few guys who are local, a few people who
Speaker 1: are local, not just not just man. Obviously, very few
Speaker 1: of those people ever rose to and in fact, almost
Speaker 1: nobody really rose to any kind of level of success.
Speaker 1: I mean, like, let's put it this way, in terms
Speaker 1: of DJs from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania who had any level of success,
Speaker 1: like beyond Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. It's like me and like maybe
Speaker 1: one or two other people. Like it was a magical time.
Speaker 1: It was a magical time when when in the nineties
Speaker 1: when rave music became like somewhat popular. But we I mean,
Speaker 1: the ship we did was I mean, this is I'm
Speaker 1: just rambling now, but the ship we did was not
Speaker 1: like playing in clubs. A lot of stuff we did,
Speaker 1: like renegade parties. We used to like bring a sound
Speaker 1: system to an alley on the north side of Pittsburgh
Speaker 1: and we'd like give people like flyers at like a club.
Speaker 1: But when it was letting out and we get like
Speaker 1: a hundred people in an alley like with a system
Speaker 1: in the back of a truck, which was like shit
Speaker 1: that like you hear about them doing in England when
Speaker 1: like the rave scene was actually beginning, and that's what
Speaker 1: it was like in like a place like Pittsburgh. There
Speaker 1: was a very small segment of people who would actually
Speaker 1: go and wanted to listen to that shit. So it's
Speaker 1: like a really weird, exciting sort of That's so funny
Speaker 1: because that reminds me of all the guys that tried
Speaker 1: to start shows on the subway, like like comedy shows.
Speaker 1: We'll go to them, wait you need, like comedy, like
Speaker 1: literal comedy. Nobody wants to hear a fucking comedy on
Speaker 1: the subway. Nobody wants to or anything on the sub
Speaker 1: nobody wants it. The worst, the worst thing you can
Speaker 1: do is literally anything on a subway that isn't sitting
Speaker 1: there and waiting for your stop, like any single thing,
Speaker 1: eating a fucking bag of chips, doing a fucking stand
Speaker 1: up routine, playing like a bucket, like a drum or whatever.
Speaker 1: No one wants it. No one wants to hear it.
Speaker 1: No one likes it. The fucking dancing troops to come on.
Speaker 1: Everybody's annoyed by it. I mean in a place like
Speaker 1: New York, I don't know, Like maybe in Philly, it's
Speaker 1: a different story. Were you in Philly on this? Where
Speaker 1: were you doing this? No? I did. I was in
Speaker 1: New York for sixteen years. Okay, okay, So it was
Speaker 1: in New York where you were people. Your friend was like, Hey,
Speaker 1: let's get on the fucking you know, m or whatever,
Speaker 1: Let's get on the jay. Let's get on the jay
Speaker 1: trade and do a fucking routine. God, it's so funny
Speaker 1: because it was like every three years, a new guy
Speaker 1: had the idea like he's gonna do they make it?
Speaker 1: Do they get Kevin Hart level? I mean, this is
Speaker 1: the thing, right, Where are those guys? Now? Where are
Speaker 1: the train comedian guys? Have them made it? Nobody makes it?
Speaker 1: Nobody makes it. The fact that we're even sitting here
Speaker 1: at all, that you would that anybody involved in this
Speaker 1: even we're not. This is not certainly not the most
Speaker 1: popular podcast in the world. A lot of people. No,
Speaker 1: just no one on the subway, No the subway guys,
Speaker 1: but just in general, we're talking about how it's like
Speaker 1: we've you know, all of this stuff has been dispersed
Speaker 1: and diffused or whatever. You know, the fact that you're
Speaker 1: doing you have an album that you're gonna do. That's
Speaker 1: how many comedians get an album. It's not that many. Really,
Speaker 1: I understand. There's more than we probably all know about.
Speaker 1: I'm not a comedy expert, but you know it's rare.
Speaker 1: That's rare. I'm special And unfortunately you won't be able
Speaker 1: to do it because you've lost your voice. My career
Speaker 1: is over. It was a great run. Yeah, well, there
Speaker 1: was no better way to use the last hour of
Speaker 1: my voice. Yeah, I think this is a great way
Speaker 1: to go out, go out on top. I think when
Speaker 1: you do this podcast, you've reached the pinnacle of So
Speaker 1: if this is it for your voice, this is you
Speaker 1: couldn't have gotten any higher anyhow. Oh wow, it worked
Speaker 1: out great anyhow, Thank you and come back. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much. I do want to say, I have a
Speaker 1: podcast called to Show Me the Money and it's only
Speaker 1: during movie Awards season and is about betting on the Oscars.
Speaker 1: Oh and it's our last week of the year. Are
Speaker 1: you a gambling man? I am, but only there's I'm
Speaker 1: only an expert on gambling on the movies, and I
Speaker 1: really am an expert. Okay. Is Brendan Frasier gonna win?
Speaker 1: Is Brendan Fraser gonna win? For the way he has
Speaker 1: to write? They gotta give it to him. I have
Speaker 1: him on my ballot. Yes, he's got to win. It's
Speaker 1: just we need something good in this world to happen.
Speaker 1: We need something good. And I don't even know if
Speaker 1: the movie is good. I just like Brendan Fraser and
Speaker 1: I want to see him win an Oscar. I think
Speaker 1: he's just earned it. He's gone through a lot of
Speaker 1: shit in his life. Well, you'll be pleased to know
Speaker 1: the movie is not good okay, but neither is Elvis,
Speaker 1: so who the fuck? Oh no, Elvis seems absolutely crazy.
Speaker 1: I watch five minutes of it. Sorry, this a whole again,
Speaker 1: whole other podcast. But you're sorry. Your podcast it is
Speaker 1: literally a whole other podcast. It is called what the
Speaker 1: Show Me the Money? The Show Me the Money? That's
Speaker 1: the whole name is with the the in front of it. Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't know you're naming stuff. I think you need
Speaker 1: like a partner, a naming partner, like somebody should work
Speaker 1: with you on like how to brand the thing. It's
Speaker 1: over this week we'll have a new title. And what
Speaker 1: do you have for best picture? What's whinny best picture?
Speaker 1: Just tell us spoil it for us. Oh, it's everything everywhere,
Speaker 1: all at once with Ady right, not even close. They're
Speaker 1: gonna sweep. They're gonna sweep, right, Kay, Blanchet's gonna win everything.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen tar either. Well, this is great stuff,
Speaker 1: all right, listen to the one remaining episode of the
Speaker 1: Show Me the Money? Right, one remaining episode, we'll do
Speaker 1: a recap, yeah, and then go see Nick in the
Speaker 1: many places he'll be doing comedy. Yes, thank you so
Speaker 1: much for having me on the show. It's my favorite
Speaker 1: thing I've ever done. Thank you, Josh. That's right, thank
Speaker 1: you for saying that, and I know it's true, so
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. It is. How do you follow that, Well,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you how you follow it as you get
Speaker 1: him back for the nineties conversation, because I feel like
Speaker 1: we didn't even get into so many things about the
Speaker 1: nineties that I wanted to discuss, like which season of
Speaker 1: the Real World was the best and most surprising in
Speaker 1: the early you know, in the early to mid nineties,
Speaker 1: which people now they don't care, it doesn't matter. Reality
Speaker 1: TV is everywhere, but when Nick and I were youngsters,
Speaker 1: we experience the Real World Season one, which is the
Speaker 1: grandfather of all reality TV. That is the ultimate starting
Speaker 1: point of modern reality television. We witness that shit in
Speaker 1: real time. Imagine seeing a reality show for the first
Speaker 1: time ever, and no other reality shows had ever existed.
Speaker 1: You can't imagine Anyhow, next time we'll talk about that.
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about it now because I can't do
Speaker 1: it without Nick. Anyhow. That is our show for this week.
Speaker 1: There will be more next week, and as always, I
Speaker 1: wish you and your family the very, very very best,