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Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to what Future. I'm your host, Joshua Tapulski.

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Speaker 1: At least that's what they're telling me. We have a

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Speaker 1: great show today, a big show. I'm very excited, and

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Speaker 1: I don't want to waste a lot of time. Normally,

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Speaker 1: what I'll do is I'll start talking and I'll be like,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to waste a lot of time, and

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Speaker 1: then you know, fifteen minutes later, I'm finishing like telling

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Speaker 1: you about something that happened to me. And I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to do that today. Today I'm gonna be focused,

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Speaker 1: which is a problem for me. Actually, I've been diagnosed

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Speaker 1: with several versions of add or ADHD, and you know, honestly,

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Speaker 1: I think they're wrong. I think feel like my attention

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Speaker 1: is totally like you're right on top of things. But

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Speaker 1: today I'm not going to get distracted in any way.

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Speaker 1: And I'm just gonna say that we have a great guest.

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Speaker 1: His name is Nick Turner. He's median, he's a podcast

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Speaker 1: or he's been on seth Meyers and Jimmy Fallon and

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Speaker 1: John Oliver. He's it got a Comedy Central a half

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Speaker 1: hour and he's just also just a charming, charming individual.

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Speaker 1: So let's just get into the fucking conversation with him.

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Speaker 1: What are you drinking there? What is that some kind

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Speaker 1: of I want to say, nice coffee. Maybe it's uh IV,

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Speaker 1: you know that ever present little pouch these days? Is

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Speaker 1: this like? Is this like a Jesus a bit? Or

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Speaker 1: is this real? No, it's you know, electrolytes and whatnot.

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Speaker 1: I'm getting over a cold. Oh you're getting over a cold.

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Speaker 1: I thought you were going to tell me you had

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Speaker 1: a big rager last night. No. No, not since the

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Speaker 1: nineties when I was a rave kid. Are you sober? No? No, no,

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Speaker 1: you're not sober. So you know I'm I'm not sober.

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Speaker 1: You drank alcohol. I do what I do. Whatever you spoke.

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Speaker 1: We want to once last time you dropped acid? Acid specifically,

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Speaker 1: it's been probably six years, but I mushrooms. People love shrooms.

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Speaker 1: Ravers who age out out of acid age in two mushrooms. Well,

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Speaker 1: no one was there for the acid. We were there

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Speaker 1: for the ecstasy. Baby. The second time I took your

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Speaker 1: acidum the dealer who is a kind of like a friend,

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Speaker 1: his name is Ken. This is in Pittsburgh, and he

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Speaker 1: gave me like a strip of ten hits and he's like, yes,

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Speaker 1: it's kind of old, like you might need to take

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Speaker 1: like one or two. I didn't know anything but taking acid.

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Speaker 1: And I took one and I'm like, I don't think

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Speaker 1: this is working. Like a half an hour later, I

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Speaker 1: was like, I don't think it's working. And then I

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Speaker 1: took another and like, I think I ended up I

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Speaker 1: think I ended up taking like five, and then they

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Speaker 1: started working all at once. Yeah, and uh, it was interesting.

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Speaker 1: I gotta say my mom was also at the rave

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Speaker 1: because I was at the time, I was doing these

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Speaker 1: like video displays and my and I couldn't drive. I

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Speaker 1: was doing these like rave visuals on these like screens,

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Speaker 1: and so my parents had driven me to the rave

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Speaker 1: and like went to stay at a hotel or something

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Speaker 1: nearby because they were complete psychos. I was like seventeen

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Speaker 1: or something. Um, okay, but you were fine. I was, well,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know here we are? Here, we

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Speaker 1: are you know, you're on my podcasts, So I don't

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Speaker 1: know was I find this? You know, jury is out,

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Speaker 1: as they say, unlike the jury in this Alex Murdock case,

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Speaker 1: who he's guilty. You know. I followed that story in

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Speaker 1: the news and then I watched the first dock, and

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Speaker 1: then I watched the second dock and Benny was guilty,

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Speaker 1: and you're like, it never happens this way. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: always like and he's gonna be flogged forever. I didn't

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Speaker 1: know there were docks. Actually, I didn't actually follow it.

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Speaker 1: I'm sort of like, um, I know everbody loves true crime,

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Speaker 1: I'm not that excited about it. I mean, I like,

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Speaker 1: you know, crime, you know. Don't get me wrong, I

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Speaker 1: love a great crime, But I don't know, I can't. Um.

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Speaker 1: I think the pandemic made it very difficult for me

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Speaker 1: to engage in. Um, it's got to be last of

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Speaker 1: us leveled dystopian for me to engage with any realistic crimes.

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Speaker 1: I can't really handle, oh for sure. But true crime

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Speaker 1: is so it's so like nothing. It's it's something to

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Speaker 1: have on in the background. Right, it's always the same script.

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Speaker 1: You you can tune out for an hour. You know

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Speaker 1: what happened, right? He did it? Yeah? I mean he

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Speaker 1: did the evidence, you know. Yeah. I mean it's always

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Speaker 1: that like they lost the evidence burned, there was a

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Speaker 1: my wife Laura has actually been working on a true

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Speaker 1: crime story, uh about a murder in um in our hometown,

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Speaker 1: and and you know she she's like basically solved it

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Speaker 1: along with the cops who worked on it, but they're like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: the evidence was lost when like the U play literally

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Speaker 1: crisp and so, you know, classic normal, definitely not some

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Speaker 1: kind of funny business going on. Yeah, I had an

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Speaker 1: idea for a parody true crime podcast where you know,

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Speaker 1: someone learns a secret about their family. It's always starts,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's like your personal experience, and you know,

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Speaker 1: they're at the lake house and they see a picture

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Speaker 1: and they're like, oh my god, you know this this

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Speaker 1: proves he was the murderer or whatever. And then later

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Speaker 1: on in the first episode he finds out out that

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Speaker 1: that's not true, but he's like, oh shit, I sold this.

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Speaker 1: It's eight episodes. So here you're like, listen, I realized

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Speaker 1: I was completely wrong, but there's a murder here somewhere.

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Speaker 1: We got the first check and so we have to

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Speaker 1: put this together. Yeah, sure, let's rewind for a second. Nick,

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Speaker 1: your last name is Turner. Is that correct, you nailed it.

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Speaker 1: You got an ass in the middle. Is that an

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Speaker 1: middle initial? No, that's just a dumb thing I did

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Speaker 1: on my social's Nick's Nick's Turner. I thought it was

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Speaker 1: nick ass Turners. What I assume you couldn't get Nick Turner,

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Speaker 1: so you put your middle initial in there? Is that now?

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Speaker 1: What happened? Well? No, it's just I pluralized both of

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Speaker 1: my names. I thought that people would understand. Then is

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Speaker 1: there another as the Did I miss that? Yeah? It's Turner. Um,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I was high. That's on. Oh, you're right,

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Speaker 1: you're right. I didn't notice the lasts for some reason.

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Speaker 1: I just focused on the middle s. That's that makes

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Speaker 1: a little more sense. So if you change your name

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Speaker 1: you're at on Twitter, you lose your check and it's

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Speaker 1: all I got left. You can never get it back

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Speaker 1: now because they'll make you pay for it. Was that

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Speaker 1: it is that real? Though? Is that? Yes? That's real?

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Speaker 1: Could you have paid for it and have one? Now?

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Speaker 1: Is that you can? Now? Now you can pay for

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Speaker 1: it and have it. But it's but everybody knows. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but everybody knows you're a phony and a loser if

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Speaker 1: you pay for it. No of course, I've had one

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Speaker 1: man's opinion decade, dude, one man's opinion that you're a

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Speaker 1: phony and a loser if you pay for it. Um,

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Speaker 1: that's just you know, speaking from as an elite and

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Speaker 1: a highly elite former. You know, freal blue check halfer.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I still have the blue check. But hold on,

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Speaker 1: I want to get back up past your user name

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Speaker 1: okay and your pastor okay, and we'll get to that

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Speaker 1: in a minute. Nick, you are a comedian. Is this

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Speaker 1: true or false? It's true? Okay, stand up comedy or

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Speaker 1: just sort of general You're just generally funny. Uh. You know,

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Speaker 1: at my age, there was only one way to get

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Speaker 1: comedian after you're right, and that was through live comedy performance.

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Speaker 1: I'm a stand up comedian, Yeah, stand up, stand up. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about this because I've

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Speaker 1: long I've long entertained the idea of me starting to

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Speaker 1: do stand up comedy, and I thought it's a great

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Speaker 1: time to get in. No, the older I get, the

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Speaker 1: border ridiculous it seems, and so in some way more attractive.

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Speaker 1: It's not an old man game. I want to be

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Speaker 1: like the Morgan Freeman stand up I want to enter

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Speaker 1: is absolutely possible. Um A call it on a second.

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Speaker 1: You're a stand up comedian. You you do do you

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Speaker 1: currently do get Rich Nick? Now that's an old podcast.

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Speaker 1: You don't do that. It's dead, it's dead and buried,

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Speaker 1: it's on hiatus, or it's just I'm not lingering. You're

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Speaker 1: not gonna dwell on get Rich Nick? It was great?

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Speaker 1: Was there another Nick involved with get Rich Nick? I

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Speaker 1: just didn't understand, but he passed on U Did he

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Speaker 1: actually die on the next project? Okay? Because it says

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Speaker 1: solo host of get Rich Nick as if this is

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Speaker 1: on your Instagram, as if you need to communicate to

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Speaker 1: people that they're you were the only Nick that matter.

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Speaker 1: That's funny because at the time I had I think

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Speaker 1: I was, I had two podcasts and I was also

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Speaker 1: a guest host of my friend Brooks Wheeland's podcast, Oh

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Speaker 1: Brooks Wheeland, I love him, And so at one point

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Speaker 1: longer funny. Right now, You're just it's just that sitting

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Speaker 1: there confusing people. Yeah, I'm not good at at the Internet.

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Speaker 1: Every time I try to google myself, I throw up

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Speaker 1: at what comes up, and what comes up it's probably

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Speaker 1: not even content about you. Is it even about you?

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Speaker 1: Your name is very common, no offense, but Nick Turner

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Speaker 1: is probably like, there's probably like five million other names

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Speaker 1: I've dwelt on that Nick Turner is. Um, it's always

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Speaker 1: someone from England. It's always a white guy from England

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Speaker 1: or a black college football player. So Nicholas Turner. The

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Speaker 1: first person comes up is VIRA Institute of Justice. Well,

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Speaker 1: I don't know why you're googling Nicholas. That's not my

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Speaker 1: professional name. No I did, I didn't google. I googled

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Speaker 1: Turner Via Institute of Justice downloading. I have no idea

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Speaker 1: what this is. Okay, he joined the VIA Institute of

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Speaker 1: Who we are? Who is VIA? We don't know. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: your Advocates Research is an act activist working to end

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Speaker 1: mass incarceration. So not a bad association there, not you,

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Speaker 1: not you, But then your your Twitter is next up,

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Speaker 1: and then your Instagram and then a guy from the

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Speaker 1: Federal Reserve Board, Nick Turner. He's a principal economist Board

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Speaker 1: of Governors the Federal Reserve System. So he's getting a

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Speaker 1: lot of action right now. He's seeing a lot of

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Speaker 1: action and some deep deep stuff. Yeah. Anyhow, we could

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Speaker 1: go on and on. I'd like to eventually you do

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Speaker 1: get to a British person. I want to get this guy. Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's back up for a second. You are I think

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Speaker 1: we should say this just for people who might be

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Speaker 1: listening to this, for the four or five people out there.

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Speaker 1: I was promised millions on infant timeline. This podcast is

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Speaker 1: going to have tens of millions of listeners infinite. Okay, good,

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Speaker 1: you are the partner of my producer. We should just

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Speaker 1: say because I don't want anybody to make I don't

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Speaker 1: want to be any claims of foul play here or

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Speaker 1: nepotism or I'm not sure what the right word is,

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Speaker 1: but um am I getting money. No, there's no money's

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Speaker 1: definitely nobody change in hands. Okay, I've heard there's no audience,

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Speaker 1: no money, no audience, nobody that's got anyone's gonna come

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Speaker 1: for you or me. That's kind of our thing. Anyhow,

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Speaker 1: you are you are in a romantic relationship. Can I

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Speaker 1: say that? But no, let's get into it sexually. But

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Speaker 1: the producer of what future we would have to Well,

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Speaker 1: you do have a child together, is that correct? Well,

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Speaker 1: people wouldn't believe me. Yeah, so they wouldn't believe you

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Speaker 1: So he comes on stage, he's got a wet coat.

421
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,440
Speaker 1: Is there no security at this place? So there are

422
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:19,640
Speaker 1: no there's no security anywhere. Right. Oh do you get

423
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,840
Speaker 1: into like an actual altercation with this person? That's yeah,

424
00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,040
Speaker 1: but multiple But you know, at a bunch of times

425
00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:28,760
Speaker 1: doing comedy shows, like at comedy clubs, like comedy clubs,

426
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:32,320
Speaker 1: you would be surprised about I got into. I will

427
00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,320
Speaker 1: get into a situation where I ask for security and

428
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,760
Speaker 1: no one answers, not even anyone who works there. Do

429
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:40,720
Speaker 1: you think they think you're doing a thing like a bit.

430
00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,440
Speaker 1: You know, it could be a bit, right, that's possible,

431
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:49,200
Speaker 1: That is possible. But if I say it enough times,

432
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:51,480
Speaker 1: at some point they're gonna hear the distressing your voice.

433
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 1: All right, So I don't know how far you wentto this. Yes,

434
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:55,920
Speaker 1: I picked you touch I'm not. I mean, I can't

435
00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:57,359
Speaker 1: watch the whole thing right now. But you So he

436
00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 1: grabbed him by his wet jacket. Yeah, so I pick

437
00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 1: up a mic, alright, pick up the mic stand to

438
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 1: do something I get off. Yeah, it goes into the audience.

439
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 1: H shit, you looking at it right now? So the

440
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 1: host I'm just scrubbing past. It's it's so long. Yeah,

441
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 1: but the host help me drag him off stage, and

442
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,120
Speaker 1: then I have to finish. How did this guy even

443
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,120
Speaker 1: get in? Like, isn't there like a bouncer at the door.

444
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,880
Speaker 1: It's not an all ages show run anywhere. Nobody gives

445
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,639
Speaker 1: a shit about stand up comedians. That's why slaps. How

446
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 1: do you mean? But somebody has to card somebody, right,

447
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 1: You can't just go in there and get a drink

448
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,399
Speaker 1: just being anybody off the street. I've had friends get

449
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:40,119
Speaker 1: punched during their sets. I've had friends get punched after

450
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 1: their sets by like people who got kicked out. I

451
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 1: have a friend who had a microphone broken over his head.

452
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,640
Speaker 1: I've had There's been so much violence. It doesn't sound good.

453
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 1: It doesn't sound funny at all, honest with you, it's

454
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,200
Speaker 1: not funny, you know what I mean? What you're describing

455
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,399
Speaker 1: doesn't sound like a humorist and entertaining time to me?

456
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 1: Why time it was pretty funny because somebody was heckling

457
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 1: and then they started to come towards stage and I say,

458
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 1: I'll be like, don't get on the stage. And then

459
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:10,640
Speaker 1: they go a little closer and I'd be like, if

460
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 1: you get on the stage, I'm going to hit you

461
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 1: with this nockstand. This is what I say. Okay, so

462
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 1: you like to wield the mic stand that's kind of

463
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 1: your weapon of choice. I'm nervous. My comedy is confrontational,

464
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 1: is it? When I'm riffing? Okay, when I'm doing crowd work,

465
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 1: I say, you know, you can go anywhere because people

466
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 1: get you know, and right, and you're not afraid to

467
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:39,880
Speaker 1: say what's on your mind. You any good, like any

468
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 1: good comedian. You're ready to unload from the dome because

469
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 1: you're you're frankly a modern day philosopher. I think we

470
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,680
Speaker 1: all know that, and yeah, we gotta be We gotta

471
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,399
Speaker 1: hear what you're thinking, no matter how brazen it is.

472
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,679
Speaker 1: So I later found out this was the DJ of

473
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 1: the show and I had gotten there later. Wait wait, wait, wait,

474
00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 1: the guy you threatened with the mic stand, The guy's

475
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 1: wed jack stand. You know, heavy face mic stand. You

476
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 1: know one of these, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And uh

477
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:08,399
Speaker 1: so he finally comes on stage, and so I throw

478
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 1: the mic stand on his foot. Oh wow, was he

479
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,440
Speaker 1: just trying to adjust the monitors or something. I think

480
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 1: he was just drunk and thought because he DJed the

481
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 1: pre show that he was part of the show. But

482
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 1: I did not know this guy right, and I was

483
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 1: very clear that he should not be a part of

484
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: my show. I wouldn't have gotten on stage if you

485
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 1: said that to me. Thank you, unless there your life

486
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 1: was in danger. If like there was a guy behind you,

487
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 1: like like a ghost face from Scream was behind you

488
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 1: and I was trying to get you out of the

489
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 1: way of his knife, I might do it anyway, But

490
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 1: thank you so much was happening. You're a ride or

491
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 1: die listen, you know, if I see somebody who about

492
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,159
Speaker 1: to be killed by ghost face nine times that ten.

493
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna at least try to swat the knife

494
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,160
Speaker 1: way or something. You know. I'm just that's who I am. Okay,

495
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 1: So I get off stage. Yep. Then I I exit.

496
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 1: I go to the right. I leave if I go

497
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 1: in the back area. I realized that back area is

498
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 1: nothing but like a smoker's lounge. And then I turn

499
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,959
Speaker 1: around and the wall that I have just you know,

500
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:14,439
Speaker 1: gone through, is one glass, and the audience is just

501
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 1: looking at me, just standing outside in a tiny smoker's area.

502
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,400
Speaker 1: This is from bad to worth. I had to come

503
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 1: back out. It was not going well. Also, I'm sorry

504
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 1: you made it. Can I just say you made a

505
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 1: fatal area. You should have got boomed a cigarette off

506
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 1: of somebody and started smoking. I would have just been like,

507
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 1: I'm out here, I need a smoke. There was no

508
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 1: one out there, that's Unfortunately. It was the saddest thing

509
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 1: you could imagine. So I left and then I heard

510
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:47,640
Speaker 1: next week that DJ got fired for stealing CDs. Okay,

511
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,119
Speaker 1: in a way, you were like a Batman character in

512
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 1: your scenario. Really you're kind of an avenger. Yes, you know,

513
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:57,119
Speaker 1: a dark avenger. This guy was nonsense and I'm you know,

514
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:02,120
Speaker 1: the only one willing to throw bikes did as someone's chore,

515
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 1: willing to break their foot with the bike's did. That'll

516
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,120
Speaker 1: slow them down, though, right, Like that'll slow somebody down

517
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 1: if you break their foot or whatever. I mean, that's

518
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 1: a good way to somebody's coming out. I don't know,

519
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 1: adrenaline can fix a lot of feet, that's true, all right,

520
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 1: So but anyhow, it's interesting, like it's funny to hear

521
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 1: the story. Not funny, obviously, it's very h weird, scary stuff.

522
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 1: But but it's interesting that, like, you know, I'm talking

523
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,439
Speaker 1: about Chris Rock and Will Smith two of the biggest

524
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 1: celebrities in the world right basically known all over the world,

525
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 1: massively famous. I mean, obviously Will Smith is a very

526
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: very big celebrity. I think Chris Rock is pretty famous. Um,

527
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 1: but it's like this is just a thing with comedians,

528
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 1: is what you're saying. Like this is just like people

529
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 1: just think they can come up if they don't like,

530
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: they don't like what they hear, or if they think

531
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:50,919
Speaker 1: they want to add something or whatever, they can just

532
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 1: jump up on stage. I mean, don't you think people

533
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,360
Speaker 1: like thought maybe it was a bit. I mean, yeah,

534
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 1: I mean it doesn't the bit was not completed. I

535
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,199
Speaker 1: mean it's obvious they're not doing a bit, but I

536
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,439
Speaker 1: can see how people would think they were doing a

537
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: bit for a while one second or two seconds afterwards,

538
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,479
Speaker 1: I was like I was trying to figure out, like

539
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,880
Speaker 1: what it is that just happened, right, because I didn't

540
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 1: quite really understand like unprecedented. Yeah, it was just like

541
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 1: it was just like what happened. I'm like, was this

542
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: some weird bit that didn't land somehow or like, you know,

543
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 1: because there's shit like that at award shows all the time.

544
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:26,400
Speaker 1: I think. So my guess is like when you see

545
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 1: Will Smith approaching the stage the Oscars and then, by

546
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: the way, I think, did he immediately win an oscar

547
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 1: after that? Nobody remembers that part he did. He actually

548
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: won a fucking Academy Award like two minutes after slapping

549
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 1: Chris Rock in the face because he didn't like a

550
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: random comment that he made, which was really nothing, I

551
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 1: mean really not anyhow, but like not that there's any

552
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: justification for hitting somebody unless they're a Nazi, which case

553
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: obviously they have Nazis and anywhere and everywhere. That's a

554
00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 1: whole different type of interaction. Yeah, it's that you can't

555
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: be up there. You can't be a modern day philosopher

556
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 1: speaking in your mind, speaking your truth, and you know,

557
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: you don't have any sense of protection from the world

558
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: at large. I mean, I feel like, let's be honest,

559
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: comedian should be able to say whatever they want, yeah,

560
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: and and nobody should question it. But you know, on

561
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: the other hand, you know, comedians are you know, it's

562
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: such a selfish profession, right to get it, I mean,

563
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: the idea, but it's not selfish. It's not selfish because

564
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: to be fair, I think most people and I and

565
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: I feel this way because I'm like a I think

566
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: like in another version of myself, I might have like

567
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: been like, this is what I should do because obviously

568
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: I have a podcast first off, which is like a

569
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: totally self centered, like weird sort of thing to do.

570
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 1: But um, you're like, oh, you know, people want to

571
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: hear me talk like right, like I should just be

572
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 1: on do a show where people listen to me. But

573
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 1: I think that most comedians are probably like, it's you.

574
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: It's your an impulse, right, You're getting something from that

575
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: interaction that is like deeper than like you want to

576
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: be popular, right, Like don't you? I mean, I don't

577
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: know bout that's true for you, but I mean it's

578
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: it's completely an extension of my real life personality right

579
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: where I'm trying to get people to laugh all the time,

580
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: right anyway? And then why is that? Do you think?

581
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: Why do you think you're trying to get people to

582
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: laugh because I'm hilarious, right, but like why why you

583
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: want to be hilarious to other people? Like what do

584
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 1: you get out of? In all seriousness? What do you

585
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: get out of like when you make people laugh? Because

586
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I understand, but like, yeah, I feel like

587
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,719
Speaker 1: when I'm when I'm doing a bit or whatever amongst

588
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: my friends, I feel like somehow I'm like fearing silence

589
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: or people aren't enjoying themselves, or or I just can't

590
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 1: stop myself because like I'm not in control of my mind.

591
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: Like don't you, I mean, do you not feel that

592
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: any of those things? I mean, I it's simple, you know,

593
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 1: I do stand up because people tell me I'm good

594
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 1: at it, and when I do other things, nobody tells

595
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: me I'm good at it, right, really, And I'll gravitate

596
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,239
Speaker 1: towards to think I'm good at Well, there's a lot

597
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 1: of things you can be good at, but you can't

598
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: really do professionally, right, Yeah, yeah, I've got I've gotten

599
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: really good at a couple of video games. But and yes,

600
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: there are professional video gamers, but I don't think that

601
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: can be applied to like I can have a pretty

602
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: good lifestyle. Like if I just like professionally play video games,

603
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: I don't think that would be a job. Yeah, well,

604
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean when you were when you

605
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: were a kid in the nineties, Yeah, you didn't have

606
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: a channel just constantly playing clips of professional video gamers,

607
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: but there was a channel that was like, look at

608
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: all the coolest guys, funniest guys in the world. Right,

609
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 1: don't you want to do this shit? Yeah, I guess

610
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: that is true. I guess art. But don't you think

611
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: that there isn't there a whole crop of you know,

612
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: new comedians who are like I'm on TikTok or I

613
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: do my thing on Oh yeah, you know Instagram different Right,

614
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: that's it's dip, you know, I mean, that's that's the

615
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: future that I saw in the nineties. You know, it

616
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 1: existed for a little bit, but it doesn't exist anymore.

617
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: The future of being a stand up comedian in the future. Yeah,

618
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: like what you thought, you know, your career would be

619
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 1: how it worked, you know, how the industry worked. You

620
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,239
Speaker 1: were like, I could be Dane Dane Cook level, right,

621
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: Dane Cook, the famous infamous MySpace comedian. Yeah, he was

622
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: a guy on my Space. This is the this is

623
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: the storyline. Dane Cook was like, that was a popular

624
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: guy on my Space. He did like some MySpace jokes

625
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 1: or I don't even know how it worked. Did they

626
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: even have video on my Space? In that era? It

627
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: was like the two thousands, like, um, you know he

628
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: was famous from his like half hour you know, and

629
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: then his album right, and he was famous on MySpace

630
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: just for having the most for him. Yes, that was

631
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: an era when people are like I could blow up

632
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: and become a huge like stand up comedian, like, not

633
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: that Dane Cook is the model obviously. Well, I think

634
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: that the point, like the thing that I thought was

635
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: happening that ended up not to be happening, was that

636
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: if you want to do stand up comedy, you have

637
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: to become great at stand up comedy for ten years.

638
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: You have to do stand up comedy for free nearly

639
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: every night. You get a grind and then you get

640
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: a career, right, which all happened. But what I didn't

641
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: have as part of the equation back then was the

642
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: need for social media, which I am terrible at because

643
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: I am too earnest. That's a marketing that's a marketing job.

644
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: That's a marketer's job basically, So that became, you know,

645
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: it grew in importance through the years to being paramount,

646
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: especially during the pandemic. But but way before that, you know, right,

647
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: and so like, I'm not like a techie guy. It

648
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: takes me a really long time to make a video

649
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: and it's not it's just not the same for me,

650
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: and so right, that's what I mean. And just like

651
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: things changed so much, you know, they they're like become undeniable.

652
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: You know. At coding, right, you'd be you'd be I

653
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: think you'd be an amazing coder, to be honest, I

654
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: have you ever checked it out? No? I mean yeah,

655
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: but the whole But that's everything I mean to a degree,

656
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: not to say this is not a unique to comedy,

657
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: but there's also like I mean, in a way like

658
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: when I when I was just when you were talking,

659
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,240
Speaker 1: I was thinking about, like, you know, I was a DJ,

660
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,919
Speaker 1: and I was in bands and was surrounded by people

661
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,720
Speaker 1: who were like musicians, and my brother is a musician.

662
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: And in the nineties and in the even in the

663
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: early two thousands, like there was a feeling like you

664
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: could get to a certain level, Like you might not

665
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 1: be like Rolling Stones level if you're a band or whatever,

666
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 1: but you could get to a level it's like pretty good.

667
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: You can have like a pretty large audience. And it's

668
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: really about in the nineties and in the in the

669
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 1: early two thousands, it was like, are you touring And

670
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: if you're touring a lot and you build a following,

671
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 1: you it was like if you got like whatever, the

672
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: thing is like ten thousand people who love what you're

673
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: doing or whatever fucking bullshit number. But the truth is

674
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: that's actually not the case now because like the economics

675
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: of it aren't the same as they were. Even if

676
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: you can sell out a thousand person venue wherever you go,

677
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 1: the economics of your entire career or like in music

678
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: for instance, are just completely altered now it's been it's

679
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 1: been thinned out and disseminated so much amongst like this

680
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,240
Speaker 1: larger pool and the way people actually engage with music,

681
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 1: and I would say, I'm sure the same is true

682
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: for comedy, Like there was a much more sort of

683
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 1: gate kept way to do it, right, Like this is

684
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: actually maybe this is a broad thing that goes across

685
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 1: to so many industries. But like, if you wanted to

686
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,800
Speaker 1: be a comedian in nineteen ninety five, there was no YouTube,

687
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: there was no social media, There was barely an Internet

688
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: at all. If you wanted to do comedy, you could

689
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: You could only really just go somewhere and try to

690
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: do comedy, like do an open mic or just get

691
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,919
Speaker 1: on like a do a set somewhere or whatever. I mean, again,

692
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: it's not my world, but my assumption is that was it. Like,

693
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: and you started doing that and eventually you could build

694
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: up if you were good and people liked you and

695
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:48,879
Speaker 1: there was word of mouth and whatever. Maybe you put

696
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 1: flyers up for your shows or handed them out, but

697
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 1: like you could build a following like an indie ban

698
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: would build a following in the same way. Right. Yeah,

699
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,760
Speaker 1: Like Kevin Hart when he started, he traveled with a team.

700
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:04,800
Speaker 1: He came out the gate. He had people that would

701
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: travel everywhere with him, just like his friends. That was

702
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: a street team. Yes, yeah, yes, exactly, they would. Um,

703
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:17,720
Speaker 1: they would get emails from everybody in every audience, and

704
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: every time he came back to any city, he would

705
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: email every single person that has ever come to his

706
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: show there, and uh, like anyone could have done that.

707
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 1: But that's that's an insane amount of work. It's a

708
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 1: ton of work. That's that's a marketing that's marketing work.

709
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: So he's like a really killer marketer on top of

710
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 1: being yeah well yeah, and now he's you know, he's

711
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: like uh jay z right, he's like a billionaire off

712
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:58,240
Speaker 1: of not his shoes now. So it's a rough, horrible

713
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:02,720
Speaker 1: industry where the chances for success I've been dramatically sliced

714
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 1: down to almost nothing. Now, would you say that's accurate

715
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 1: and accurate depiction? I don't think that's true. I think

716
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: that's true. I think that was always true. Are we

717
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: still making I don't think it's anymore so. Now I'm not, like,

718
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: obviously again, not in the world of comedy yet until

719
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: I make my Morgan Freeman like entrance at my very

720
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 1: very old age. And I'll wear a glove too, probably

721
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: as well, just for the hell of it. Um, But

722
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: is there like a next Chris Rock, Like, is there

723
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:29,839
Speaker 1: a next? I mean, I don't want to I hate

724
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 1: to say, I hate to say Louis K. But Louis

725
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: KA was before he was you know, became you know,

726
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 1: whatever version of Louis Ka he is now, who's a

727
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 1: creep in a in a weirdo. He was like massively

728
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: mainstream popular, Like everybody loved Louis c K, like just

729
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: cut across all, you know, he had a show. You know,

730
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of really funny specials. There's way

731
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: more comedy specials than there have ever been. I feel

732
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: like right now, like there's like a dime a dozen

733
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 1: you you know, on everyone's streaming service. But it can

734
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: people get to can people still get to like a

735
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,320
Speaker 1: Chris Rock love? You know, I don't think people get

736
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:06,720
Speaker 1: the reps that they used to. I think that everything

737
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: is so fractured. Also, it's like audiences are so fractured

738
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: because you can search for the thing that you like already,

739
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 1: right you know, people don't have to coalesce around one entity,

740
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: you know, and it makes it so much more difficult

741
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: for someone to get that big. But people, you know,

742
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: it's like how big do you have to get I

743
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: mean there's still comedians like selling out Madison Square Gardens.

744
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 1: I mean Louise sold out Madison Square Gardens like on

745
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,439
Speaker 1: more than one night. I think, yeah, yeah, but that's

746
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 1: like like in New York, right, there's gotta be a

747
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: whole set of people that have no awareness about his

748
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 1: sex creep stuff, Like they're not they just don't didn't

749
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: read the article, they didn't see the story, right, Like

750
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: if you think about them, just massive people that exist. Yeah, well,

751
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: it's it's also in how you present that information of

752
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: what he did, right, Because there's no legal entanglement, then

753
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 1: it really gives people car to just whatever spin on

754
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: it they want. Right. They can be like, well, the girls,

755
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,280
Speaker 1: you know, exaggerated or they were just looking for attention

756
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: or whatever fucking you know, ship to people. I mean,

757
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: the thing I hear they he asked and they said yes, right, sure. Anyway,

758
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 1: you know, it's like it's if only he'd come out

759
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:22,760
Speaker 1: with that statement, yeah, he'd be like, well they I asked,

760
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: and they said, yeah, so I think everything's fine, no

761
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 1: big deal. No, but he turned heel, right, And what

762
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,760
Speaker 1: would have been nice if he'd have been like, oh yeah,

763
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: I really hadn't put it in that perspective, and uh

764
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 1: said that more than once. I think Louis k could

765
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: be back on top and full on mainstream like new

766
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 1: shows like setting even doing better than selling that mass

767
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 1: still hostings and now if he had simply just come

768
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: up with like what felt like a heartfelt and decent

769
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: like explanation and apology for the situation. But I feel

770
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 1: like his reaction was like, I'm going to be angry

771
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: at people for feeling like this was like bad of

772
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: me or whatever, Like he kind of didn't really go like, yeah,

773
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 1: I fucked up and this is really bad and I

774
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 1: need to work on it, and I feel horrible and

775
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 1: I've apologized privately to these people and I'm gonna, you know,

776
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: be a better man or what you know, whatever you

777
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: would say that can exonerate you from not exonerate you,

778
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: but at least get people going like, well, at least

779
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 1: he you know, kind of realizes, yeah, I think some

780
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: of that Like in the nineties, um, like Hugh Grant, yes,

781
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: you know, gets caught with a prostitute who has to

782
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: go on. Jay Leno says he's sorry everybody. Everybody in

783
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,320
Speaker 1: the world watched that because we were all watching it anyway,

784
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: there's a there's only things, you know, so many things,

785
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:36,879
Speaker 1: that's right. There was actually there were only like two

786
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 1: things to watch at eleven thirty on on in the

787
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: week for sure. So now you have to go on

788
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 1: like ten podcasts, do six late night set or you

789
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: know appearances. Yeah, um, you gotta do an Oprah and

790
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 1: all of that. You know, Cobbled Together gets as many

791
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: views as that. Right, Well, we've we have you know,

792
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 1: Jay Leno, but we've distributed. Well that's because we've just

793
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 1: distributed the audiences across all of these wonderful platforms. We're

794
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 1: no longer gate kept by the networks. Okay, you can

795
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 1: just if you want to put a message out to

796
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 1: the world, you just go post it on YouTube and

797
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 1: anybody can see it or nobody usually is what actually happens.

798
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: Nobody sees it. But yeah, yeah, that's the thing. And

799
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,359
Speaker 1: so today you go do the Tonight Show and you

800
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: say you're sorry, and you think that that's gonna like, Okay,

801
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,919
Speaker 1: I did it. That's not the case anymore, right, did

802
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 1: he do that though he didn't do that. No, he

803
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,240
Speaker 1: put out a statement that like said all the things

804
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: that you want to hear. Yeah, I would have were Louis,

805
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: of course I'm not. To me, that's like make your

806
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 1: next whatever you do next, needs to be addressing this

807
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 1: in like a totally real way, like everything he's done comedically.

808
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: I feel like it's like he's like very real, like

809
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 1: very Rod's very like this is how I feel and

810
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: think or whatever, Like why not just go wow, like

811
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 1: I fucked up and I'm now I'm like going to

812
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:54,959
Speaker 1: talk about it because that's what I do for a living.

813
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: As I talk about shit that's on my mind. I

814
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: feel like anyway, whatever I'm not, I don't need to

815
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 1: give Louis career advice. But I guess my point is

816
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: like getting back to the kind of main thing here

817
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 1: is like Louis Kay was a massive, super popular I

818
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 1: mean in a way like did did even shit like

819
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: that make it harder for somebody to become like the

820
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 1: next Chappelle or the next Louis k or whatever. I mean?

821
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: Is it It's not just the platform stuff is not

822
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 1: just like the way the audiences have been broken apart.

823
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 1: But is it Like I don't know, has comedy lost

824
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: its sheen a little bit? I mean, has it lost

825
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 1: It's the differences? Like you could get big like Dane

826
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 1: Cook off of a stand up comedy before, but now

827
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 1: you can't. You have to get big off of your movies,

828
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:38,800
Speaker 1: your TV shows, and you know, also your stand up comedy.

829
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 1: And the thing about the specials now is that when

830
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: you watch a special filmed at Madison Square Garden, when

831
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 1: you watch someone special, you're looking at a formerly great comedian,

832
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:54,240
Speaker 1: a person who formerly went out every night and killed

833
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: it for an hour in front of crowds all over

834
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,959
Speaker 1: the country every night, killed right, that was their job.

835
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: And then they did movies for five years, yeah, and

836
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: stop doing stand up completely. And then they get a

837
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: special and they do stand up for six weeks and

838
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 1: then do an hour and you're like, that's not what

839
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 1: it's not? Yeah, the kind of razor sharp version of themselves. Right. Well,

840
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, everybody gets old. Everybody gets old, and

841
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: not me. If you get rich doing whatever the other

842
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: things are, my guess is you probably don't want to

843
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: go out on the road anymore. And grind oh fuck,

844
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: are you continuing to pursue comedy? Is this? You feel

845
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 1: like you're going to continue with all of this? And

846
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,399
Speaker 1: I gotta say you, we've painted a very a very

847
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:40,360
Speaker 1: dark picture. No, I for sure have and it's so funny.

848
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 1: How many dates I'm gonna say at the end, are

849
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: you gonna promote many shows you're doing? Okay, so you're

850
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,720
Speaker 1: going how many nights a week are you out doing

851
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: doing a comedy? Um? I did a special for Epics,

852
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 1: which is a channel like a year and half ago.

853
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 1: If I had to done my research, I would have

854
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 1: watched that. No, it's fine, And so after that I

855
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 1: haven't really been doing stand up comedy because that's when

856
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: my baby came into the world, and stand up comedy

857
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: is uh, you know, it's diminishing return. Sure, but I

858
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: have an album deal that I signed three years ago,

859
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: and they're like, you gotta make this up. Are you

860
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: signed a deal to do an album and you and

861
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 1: you never and you never released any albums? Is that

862
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,399
Speaker 1: what you're saying? Oh? No, I have an album it's

863
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: called Yelling. But now I'm saying, oh, with this with

864
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: this current deal, like they're still waiting on material from you.

865
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,359
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, they're still wait right, And that's that's

866
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:39,399
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure. They were like, do this thing,

867
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 1: and I was like, that makes sense, right, And so

868
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: I'm going to record an album in uh in April.

869
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: But before that, I'm on the road a bunch. And

870
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,240
Speaker 1: where do you do that? Do you go one venue

871
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: you're like, I'm going to record here or is it?

872
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: Do you get multiple places and you put it together? No?

873
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 1: I mean because it costs the label money right to

874
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 1: do it again, to bring out the fancy microphone right

875
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: when they record it, to give you the really all

876
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: in that one by that really good microphone, like just

877
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: and we have there, like we have an hour of tape.

878
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 1: We're doing this on analog. We wanted to have that

879
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 1: analog warmth, but you have an hour and then we

880
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 1: run out of tape. Bring in the mieh. It takes

881
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:22,240
Speaker 1: six guys to carry it. It's a really but it's German.

882
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: I mean you know it's German engineered. So it's really

883
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 1: good stuff. So you're doing when are you doing that?

884
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 1: When are you going to record an album? That'll be

885
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 1: mid April. I don't have a date set um, but

886
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 1: it's most likely here at the Lyric Hyperion in Los Angeles.

887
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: And you're like, good to go, You've got all your material,

888
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 1: You're ready, You're locked and loaded. You know exactly what

889
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,280
Speaker 1: you're gonna do well. You know it'll be better once

890
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: I finish all my road dates, right, which you're gonna

891
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: tell us about at the end of this. We're not

892
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 1: Oh you can't. We're not there yet. We're not there

893
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,399
Speaker 1: yet because I haven't asked you the most important question.

894
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: Do you remember where you were when you heard the

895
00:45:56,440 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 1: UM nineteen ninety eight smash Rave Hit Pistol Whip by

896
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 1: Joshua Ryan? Can you place the time? The venue? Who

897
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 1: was Djane? Do you happen to know? Okay, you were

898
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 1: a raver? We should say you were a raver in

899
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: the nineties. I for sure it was Okay, you had Jenkos,

900
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: you had real original Jenkos late nineties. Yeah. Uh. The

901
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: DC scene a very hot scene. Uh, Scott Henry for sure? Yeah?

902
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: Who or the other? I'm trying to think of other

903
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:30,399
Speaker 1: DC DJs on Cox. Carl Cox is from Detroit, though,

904
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: isn't he? I don't know. I was just trying to

905
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: remember a name. Kay, I don't care. I was there

906
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 1: for the ecstasy. That's a name of a DJ O. Wait,

907
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: Carl cox By, Actually, Carl Cox I think is British?

908
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 1: Wait who is Carl? Oh? Yeah, Cox is British. I'm

909
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: thinking of Carl Craig, who is from Detroit. Yeah, I

910
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: don't know. You don't know, but I do. He's Detroit

911
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: kind of Detroit techno pioneer. Carl Cox is from England

912
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: and he might have been like a Radio one DJ

913
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: at some point as well. He's like a peaked tong

914
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 1: era luminary. I was trying to remember the name of

915
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:06,760
Speaker 1: the guy whose slogan was like all music, no drugs,

916
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 1: this or something. I don't know. That guy sounds like

917
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 1: no fun to me though. Yeah, he was like the

918
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: one sober that's no good, that's not good. I don't

919
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:15,760
Speaker 1: think that was it was he British. It's not possible,

920
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 1: is it. There's no sober British people, you know. I

921
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 1: don't know. I really, I've never met a sober British

922
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: person for the record, So, yeah, it was really fucked

923
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 1: up trance music. Trance, okay, Yeah, well that's that's what

924
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 1: that's what you're into. There's no question that you definitely

925
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,760
Speaker 1: were on ecstasy dancing to a record that I produced.

926
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: This is I'm sorry, Um, I'm losing my voice. I'm

927
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:45,800
Speaker 1: not sure what to do. Are you you sick? Yeah? Really?

928
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: Oh well, you didn't tell me that I didn't know Lyra,

929
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: you didn't tell me that this man was coming on

930
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 1: at risk to his vocal cords. I'm getting over it,

931
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:56,879
Speaker 1: you are. But all right, Nick, Well here's I think

932
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 1: this is a sign you're losing your voice, which means I, well,

933
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 1: you and I have talked so much we didn't even

934
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:05,760
Speaker 1: get into we're gonna have to apart two about rave years.

935
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,439
Speaker 1: I feel so guilty. It's God's way of saying to us,

936
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 1: wrap it up. You know this is God doing that

937
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 1: circular emotion. You know that finger emotion. Is this the

938
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: wrap it up motion? This right here? Yeah? Am I

939
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 1: doing it the wrong direction? Is there a right direction?

940
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,839
Speaker 1: Is it like this? God famously has no patience like that.

941
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 1: He's like, let's go. You mentioned earlier when we were

942
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: deep in our very serious conversation about the perils of

943
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 1: comedy and whether or not you would continue on with

944
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: your comedy career, which clearly you're going to, even even

945
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: in the face of will Smith like attacks happening all

946
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 1: the time, will Smith like physical altercations happening on stages everywhere,

947
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: You're going to continue on, and and you're going to

948
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 1: tell people listening to this that you've got some upcoming

949
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 1: comedy dates. You're willing to risk it all life and

950
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: limb to speak your truth, your powerful modern day philosopher

951
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 1: style truth to the masses. So please tell us Nick,

952
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 1: where we can hear the words of wisdom. Yes, I

953
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:11,839
Speaker 1: hope that everyone is ready, um, and I will not

954
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 1: speak for the next forty eight hours so they I

955
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 1: can do the shows. Okay, good, Okay. This weekend March tenth,

956
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 1: I'm in Santa Cruz, California. That's California, Marshall eleventh, I'm

957
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 1: at the Hideout in San Francisco. That's also California. Yes.

958
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: And then next week on the seventeenth, I'm in Salem, Oregon.

959
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:38,760
Speaker 1: And on the eighteenth back in San Francisco. Um. April seventh,

960
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 1: I'm in Houston, and I'm also going to be in

961
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 1: Austin and Dallas wow on that trip as well. So

962
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 1: check out my Twitter at Nick's Turners. Terrible name, just

963
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: plural terrible. Sorry, Nick Turners, It's just Nick Turner with

964
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 1: an ass on the end of each of the name. Sucks. Joshes.

965
00:49:57,640 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, I know you already know this.

966
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 1: It is like incredibly bad, just a incredibly bad idea.

967
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: For so I've had people at shows like be like,

968
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: um oh, I'm bringing you up next, like, is it

969
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 1: Nicks because they saw my handle? No, it's terrible. Yeah,

970
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:20,320
Speaker 1: that and losing my voice are the two worst ideas

971
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 1: I've ever had. This is the thing about great comedians

972
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:27,479
Speaker 1: and great comedy is from the depths of despair, from

973
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: a dark place, you're able to shine a bright light

974
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 1: and speak on issues that we all connect with. And

975
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,879
Speaker 1: that is why that's why You've got whoever's listening has

976
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: to if you're in anywhere near where Nick is performing,

977
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 1: you have to go and be shown that light in person.

978
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 1: Even if his voice is completely failing as it is now,

979
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 1: I'm sure it will still be you know, it'll be

980
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 1: painful to listen to, but at the end of the day,

981
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 1: the truths that he's to be speaking will be very

982
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:55,760
Speaker 1: valuable to have heard. No, if I if my voice

983
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 1: went before a show, would you would see my backup?

984
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 1: It would be you, Josh, you first, Well, I would

985
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 1: love Will you step in? I will tell you this,

986
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: if you call, I will be there. I have no

987
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 1: material prepared, but I'm willing to do it off the cuff,

988
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: which I believe, even though I know I think it's

989
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 1: classically considered to be the absolute worst thing you can do,

990
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 1: I believe that I could really do a great job

991
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,959
Speaker 1: just riffing. So I'm ready to jump up there. Yeah,

992
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:28,959
Speaker 1: well you know why. It's because riffing is easier than writing. Yeah,

993
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 1: I don't have to write jokes because I can just ramble,

994
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: and I think that'll be just as good as a

995
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 1: real comedy act. Yeah, comedy. Really, it's like, if you

996
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 1: want a guaranteed laugh, you ask an audience member any

997
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 1: question and then they respond in any way, and then

998
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 1: you go, Okay, I get well, I get that. I

999
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: get that. That checks out for me, Like in my soul,

1000
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying, and it's like you just

1001
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 1: you could just mock a person. If you could just

1002
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,399
Speaker 1: mock a person for any reason. Yeah, there's somebody's gonna

1003
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 1: connect shirt up. No one can even see the shirt.

1004
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 1: Someone will connect. God, someone will connect with you making

1005
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 1: fun of another person in some kind of vague way, right,

1006
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 1: Like you're not really even commented on the thing. You're

1007
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 1: just reacting in a kind of mocking manner, which I

1008
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: think if people understand that's good yeah, and this sucks

1009
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 1: because I did have questions about how the DJ hierarchy

1010
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,879
Speaker 1: worked in the No, man, there's I have so many

1011
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 1: answers too. I know that you wrote your own song.

1012
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 1: I did because you were doing it the right way.

1013
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:55,959
Speaker 1: That's correct. I was a DJ, producer, producer DJ. Would

1014
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 1: you say you're more or less talented than one of

1015
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 1: the most testiful DJs of all time, DJ Paris Hilton. Well,

1016
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,399
Speaker 1: there's no doubt that Paris Hilton is very talented. Yeah,

1017
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:10,359
Speaker 1: in a bunch of different ways. Like, of course she's

1018
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 1: been handed everything in life. But a lot of people

1019
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 1: get all of the riches in the world and get

1020
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 1: the name and they can't do anything with it. Paris

1021
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 1: Hilton is undoubtedly a very talented, very talented performer and personality.

1022
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 1: As to her DJ in capabilities, I have never heard

1023
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:31,360
Speaker 1: her DJ. I have heard her song Stars Are Blind,

1024
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 1: which I consider to be a banger. So if her

1025
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:37,720
Speaker 1: DJ is anything like Stars Are Blind? Are you familiar

1026
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:39,319
Speaker 1: with the song? By the way, No, I need to

1027
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 1: hear you sing it. Oh really, it's it's quite a

1028
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 1: catchy little I would say. I want to say like

1029
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 1: reggae infused pop song that she did in the I

1030
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 1: want to call it like two thousand and six or

1031
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:53,319
Speaker 1: two thousand and three or something somewhere between two thousand

1032
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 1: three two six. Anyhow, I mean, if if her Dje

1033
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 1: is anything like her song Stars Are Blind, which is

1034
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 1: the only music of hers I've ever heard, then I

1035
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 1: would say she's she's a Tisto level talent. Oh my god.

1036
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if you respect him, but I doubt

1037
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 1: that you do. Here's what I will say about Tisto.

1038
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 1: I think, first off, Tiesto was like a regular sort

1039
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 1: of underground trance producer and then became super huge and

1040
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 1: rode a wave of very kind of I would say,

1041
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 1: populist kind of trance, like very commercial maga trans not maga,

1042
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 1: but like people who are maga. It's the kind of

1043
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 1: trance music they enjoy too, you know. It's like Vegas

1044
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 1: trance exactly. It's a great way to describe it. However,

1045
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 1: Tiesto has remained and I will stand by this consistently

1046
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 1: one of the best like producers of club music. And

1047
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: I don't mean like there's even the super cheesy stuff.

1048
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 1: I'm not a listener, Like I don't listen to Tisto

1049
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 1: certainly his singles. I have DJed several of them in

1050
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 1: the old days, back in the day, but even some

1051
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 1: of his later stuff, I'm like, you know he can

1052
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 1: it's like pretty good at like putting together a pretty

1053
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 1: like credible like club track and not just like the

1054
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:13,319
Speaker 1: cheesy shit like actually like pretty good like late night

1055
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 1: like three am, like it's hits really serious now like

1056
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 1: we've gotten rid of the we've gotten rid of the

1057
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 1: phonies with like the cheesy pop trance or whatever, and

1058
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 1: now like it's deep. It's deep and dark. I mean,

1059
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 1: you know Flight six four three if you I don't

1060
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 1: know if you've ever heard it is a Tisto. It

1061
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 1: was massively popular Tisto single. I wouldn't know the name

1062
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 1: of the song, but I would know it. I'm sure

1063
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 1: it was released two thousand and one, two thousand and

1064
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 1: one Flight six four three, and this was when he

1065
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 1: was getting really popular. Is like, it's kind of unbelievable

1066
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:46,319
Speaker 1: how interesting it is as a song, although you have

1067
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:48,799
Speaker 1: to be in you have to understand where it's where

1068
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 1: it functions, right, like like that kind of music doesn't

1069
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 1: function like you can listen to it on like a

1070
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: stereo that's fine or whatever. But it doesn't function that way,

1071
00:55:56,560 --> 00:56:00,280
Speaker 1: Like it actually is meant for an environment where literally

1072
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,839
Speaker 1: it doesn't sound the same way, Like the way it

1073
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:06,399
Speaker 1: functions physically in a space is different. Like that kind

1074
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:08,840
Speaker 1: of music is meant to do something to people that

1075
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 1: is not the same thing as like a song you

1076
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 1: listen to on the radio, So out of context it

1077
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 1: can be like you're like, well, who cares or what

1078
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 1: does this do or what does it matter? In context

1079
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, this is like your mind would be

1080
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 1: absolutely fucking blown. Like my record that I mentioned earlier, Pistol,

1081
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 1: which is like kind of a hit, like was a

1082
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 1: hit for its time amongst like trance people or whatever. Yo,

1083
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:30,839
Speaker 1: what is that? What are the members on that? I mean,

1084
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 1: I don't know. It was top forty hit in England

1085
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 1: one week. I can tell you that for one week

1086
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 1: it it was twenty nine on the top forty charts

1087
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 1: in England, So I can tell you we've got at

1088
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:40,800
Speaker 1: least to that level of like it was such a popular,

1089
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 1: non vocal, totally instrumental nine minute track that it was

1090
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:49,919
Speaker 1: on the top forty charts in all of the UK.

1091
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 1: It'll take you down the whole khole nine minutes they

1092
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 1: did a radio edit, but at any rate. But you know,

1093
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:58,319
Speaker 1: But but I hated it when I had finished it,

1094
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 1: because this is what happens when you make music. You

1095
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:03,280
Speaker 1: finish it and then you're like, this sucks. I fucking

1096
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:05,760
Speaker 1: hate it by the time it goes out comes out

1097
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:07,840
Speaker 1: on a piece of vinyl. Of course, this in the nineties,

1098
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,840
Speaker 1: late nineties. Like I remember they got it into my

1099
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:13,400
Speaker 1: local record store and they were like playing it and

1100
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, a fucking song so stupid, Like why did

1101
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 1: they do this? And and I remember the guy at

1102
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 1: the record store like listening to it through like the

1103
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 1: breakdown and build up or whatever, and he was like

1104
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 1: he's like, Josh, this is pretty crazy. And I was

1105
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 1: like it really, I think it kind of blows and uh.

1106
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 1: And everybody was like this is really good, and I

1107
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 1: was like, this sucks. But I didn't really understand how

1108
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 1: it worked. Like weirdly, even though I made it, I

1109
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 1: didn't understand how it worked in a room full of

1110
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 1: people at three in the morning. It was like, it's

1111
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 1: a different It's it's just a totally different listening experience.

1112
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 1: It's a totally different like environment to hear something in

1113
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 1: so Yo. I'm wondering if you like um guys you

1114
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 1: would hang out with in the green room. Yeah, like

1115
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 1: just to likeing it to stand up, Like do you

1116
00:57:57,160 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 1: did like a bunch of those guys become massively successful?

1117
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 1: Uh No, Okay. I knew some very successful DJs, and

1118
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 1: I knew some people who were like seemed like they

1119
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: could be on the um, you know, upswing. There are

1120
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 1: a few people I know who well I went from

1121
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 1: being pretty successful too, very successful. The numbers very small,

1122
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 1: very small. I mean, it's like, I don't know if

1123
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 1: this is true. I'm sure it is true. In comedy,

1124
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 1: there were a lot of people who were not good,

1125
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 1: and we're just kicking around all the time because like

1126
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 1: you need some DJs at a club, or you need

1127
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 1: some DJs at a rave, and there's always gonna be

1128
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 1: a few guys who are local, a few people who

1129
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 1: are local, not just not just man. Obviously, very few

1130
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 1: of those people ever rose to and in fact, almost

1131
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 1: nobody really rose to any kind of level of success.

1132
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 1: I mean, like, let's put it this way, in terms

1133
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 1: of DJs from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania who had any level of success,

1134
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 1: like beyond Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. It's like me and like maybe

1135
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 1: one or two other people. Like it was a magical time.

1136
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 1: It was a magical time when when in the nineties

1137
00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 1: when rave music became like somewhat popular. But we I mean,

1138
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 1: the ship we did was I mean, this is I'm

1139
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:03,920
Speaker 1: just rambling now, but the ship we did was not

1140
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 1: like playing in clubs. A lot of stuff we did,

1141
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 1: like renegade parties. We used to like bring a sound

1142
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 1: system to an alley on the north side of Pittsburgh

1143
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 1: and we'd like give people like flyers at like a club.

1144
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 1: But when it was letting out and we get like

1145
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 1: a hundred people in an alley like with a system

1146
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 1: in the back of a truck, which was like shit

1147
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 1: that like you hear about them doing in England when

1148
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 1: like the rave scene was actually beginning, and that's what

1149
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 1: it was like in like a place like Pittsburgh. There

1150
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 1: was a very small segment of people who would actually

1151
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 1: go and wanted to listen to that shit. So it's

1152
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 1: like a really weird, exciting sort of That's so funny

1153
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 1: because that reminds me of all the guys that tried

1154
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 1: to start shows on the subway, like like comedy shows.

1155
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 1: We'll go to them, wait you need, like comedy, like

1156
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 1: literal comedy. Nobody wants to hear a fucking comedy on

1157
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 1: the subway. Nobody wants to or anything on the sub

1158
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 1: nobody wants it. The worst, the worst thing you can

1159
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 1: do is literally anything on a subway that isn't sitting

1160
00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 1: there and waiting for your stop, like any single thing,

1161
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 1: eating a fucking bag of chips, doing a fucking stand

1162
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 1: up routine, playing like a bucket, like a drum or whatever.

1163
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 1: No one wants it. No one wants to hear it.

1164
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 1: No one likes it. The fucking dancing troops to come on.

1165
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 1: Everybody's annoyed by it. I mean in a place like

1166
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 1: New York, I don't know, Like maybe in Philly, it's

1167
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 1: a different story. Were you in Philly on this? Where

1168
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 1: were you doing this? No? I did. I was in

1169
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 1: New York for sixteen years. Okay, okay, So it was

1170
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 1: in New York where you were people. Your friend was like, Hey,

1171
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:27,480
Speaker 1: let's get on the fucking you know, m or whatever,

1172
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 1: Let's get on the jay. Let's get on the jay

1173
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 1: trade and do a fucking routine. God, it's so funny

1174
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:36,120
Speaker 1: because it was like every three years, a new guy

1175
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:40,440
Speaker 1: had the idea like he's gonna do they make it?

1176
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:42,920
Speaker 1: Do they get Kevin Hart level? I mean, this is

1177
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:44,920
Speaker 1: the thing, right, Where are those guys? Now? Where are

1178
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 1: the train comedian guys? Have them made it? Nobody makes it?

1179
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 1: Nobody makes it. The fact that we're even sitting here

1180
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 1: at all, that you would that anybody involved in this

1181
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 1: even we're not. This is not certainly not the most

1182
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:00,200
Speaker 1: popular podcast in the world. A lot of people. No,

1183
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 1: just no one on the subway, No the subway guys,

1184
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 1: but just in general, we're talking about how it's like

1185
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 1: we've you know, all of this stuff has been dispersed

1186
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 1: and diffused or whatever. You know, the fact that you're

1187
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 1: doing you have an album that you're gonna do. That's

1188
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 1: how many comedians get an album. It's not that many. Really,

1189
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 1: I understand. There's more than we probably all know about.

1190
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 1: I'm not a comedy expert, but you know it's rare.

1191
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:23,960
Speaker 1: That's rare. I'm special And unfortunately you won't be able

1192
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 1: to do it because you've lost your voice. My career

1193
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:27,800
Speaker 1: is over. It was a great run. Yeah, well, there

1194
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:31,120
Speaker 1: was no better way to use the last hour of

1195
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 1: my voice. Yeah, I think this is a great way

1196
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 1: to go out, go out on top. I think when

1197
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 1: you do this podcast, you've reached the pinnacle of So

1198
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:40,520
Speaker 1: if this is it for your voice, this is you

1199
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:43,560
Speaker 1: couldn't have gotten any higher anyhow. Oh wow, it worked

1200
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 1: out great anyhow, Thank you and come back. Thank you

1201
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 1: so much. I do want to say, I have a

1202
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 1: podcast called to Show Me the Money and it's only

1203
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:54,920
Speaker 1: during movie Awards season and is about betting on the Oscars.

1204
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 1: Oh and it's our last week of the year. Are

1205
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 1: you a gambling man? I am, but only there's I'm

1206
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 1: only an expert on gambling on the movies, and I

1207
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:08,920
Speaker 1: really am an expert. Okay. Is Brendan Frasier gonna win?

1208
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 1: Is Brendan Fraser gonna win? For the way he has

1209
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 1: to write? They gotta give it to him. I have

1210
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:16,439
Speaker 1: him on my ballot. Yes, he's got to win. It's

1211
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 1: just we need something good in this world to happen.

1212
01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 1: We need something good. And I don't even know if

1213
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 1: the movie is good. I just like Brendan Fraser and

1214
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 1: I want to see him win an Oscar. I think

1215
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 1: he's just earned it. He's gone through a lot of

1216
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:28,440
Speaker 1: shit in his life. Well, you'll be pleased to know

1217
01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 1: the movie is not good okay, but neither is Elvis,

1218
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 1: so who the fuck? Oh no, Elvis seems absolutely crazy.

1219
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 1: I watch five minutes of it. Sorry, this a whole again,

1220
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 1: whole other podcast. But you're sorry. Your podcast it is

1221
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:41,760
Speaker 1: literally a whole other podcast. It is called what the

1222
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 1: Show Me the Money? The Show Me the Money? That's

1223
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 1: the whole name is with the the in front of it. Okay,

1224
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:49,440
Speaker 1: I don't know you're naming stuff. I think you need

1225
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:53,600
Speaker 1: like a partner, a naming partner, like somebody should work

1226
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:56,840
Speaker 1: with you on like how to brand the thing. It's

1227
01:02:56,840 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 1: over this week we'll have a new title. And what

1228
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:02,240
Speaker 1: do you have for best picture? What's whinny best picture?

1229
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 1: Just tell us spoil it for us. Oh, it's everything everywhere,

1230
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:08,480
Speaker 1: all at once with Ady right, not even close. They're

1231
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 1: gonna sweep. They're gonna sweep, right, Kay, Blanchet's gonna win everything.

1232
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:15,960
Speaker 1: I haven't seen tar either. Well, this is great stuff,

1233
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:19,560
Speaker 1: all right, listen to the one remaining episode of the

1234
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:23,040
Speaker 1: Show Me the Money? Right, one remaining episode, we'll do

1235
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:25,880
Speaker 1: a recap, yeah, and then go see Nick in the

1236
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 1: many places he'll be doing comedy. Yes, thank you so

1237
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:29,760
Speaker 1: much for having me on the show. It's my favorite

1238
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 1: thing I've ever done. Thank you, Josh. That's right, thank

1239
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:34,520
Speaker 1: you for saying that, and I know it's true, so

1240
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:44,680
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. It is. How do you follow that, Well,

1241
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 1: I'll tell you how you follow it as you get

1242
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:49,440
Speaker 1: him back for the nineties conversation, because I feel like

1243
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 1: we didn't even get into so many things about the

1244
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 1: nineties that I wanted to discuss, like which season of

1245
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 1: the Real World was the best and most surprising in

1246
01:03:57,680 --> 01:03:59,560
Speaker 1: the early you know, in the early to mid nineties,

1247
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:02,560
Speaker 1: which people now they don't care, it doesn't matter. Reality

1248
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:06,440
Speaker 1: TV is everywhere, but when Nick and I were youngsters,

1249
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:10,760
Speaker 1: we experience the Real World Season one, which is the

1250
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:15,840
Speaker 1: grandfather of all reality TV. That is the ultimate starting

1251
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 1: point of modern reality television. We witness that shit in

1252
01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 1: real time. Imagine seeing a reality show for the first

1253
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 1: time ever, and no other reality shows had ever existed.

1254
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 1: You can't imagine Anyhow, next time we'll talk about that.

1255
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Speaker 1: I'm not talking about it now because I can't do

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Speaker 1: it without Nick. Anyhow. That is our show for this week.

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Speaker 1: There will be more next week, and as always, I

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Speaker 1: wish you and your family the very, very very best,