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Speaker 1: Pats from the Past. Tune in is Matt Smith and

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Speaker 1: Paul Perillo offer in depth interviews with some of the

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Speaker 1: greatest players and coaches in New England Patriots history.

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Speaker 2: Joined by the newarch member of the Patriots Hall Fame,

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Speaker 2: Mike Raybold.

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Speaker 1: Find out what led to some of the greatest moments

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Speaker 2: And please to be joined by former Patriot quarterback Brian

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Speaker 2: coy Or. Joined by number thirty seven on your scorecard,

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Speaker 2: but number one in our hearts at least, Rodney Harrison.

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Speaker 3: Good to be home. Good to see you, guys.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, how's everybody doing? Good? Thanks you, Thanks you.

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Speaker 4: Just to maybe start with, you know, Drake has talked

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Speaker 4: how do you balance that again, continuing along, what you're

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Speaker 4: trying to do with the mistakes the turnovers?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the turnovers they have to stop. I mean, there's

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Speaker 5: no excuses there, rookie, ten year player, that doesn't matter.

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Speaker 5: We can't turn the ball over and expect to win games.

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Speaker 5: So that's definitely an area of emphasis for us, you know,

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Speaker 5: with Drake. He just continues to develop. You know that

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Speaker 5: you forget sometimes that he is a rookie. You know,

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Speaker 5: there there's some mistakes that he'll make just from experience

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Speaker 5: that he just just gets more reps in a certain

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Speaker 6: You talked yesterday about how teams are starting to kind

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Speaker 6: I think seven starts. What did you see from from

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Speaker 5: Know, probably more containing them in the pocket and not

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Speaker 5: Disguise will continue to come up. You know, any young

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Speaker 5: to grow in that area. Those would be the two

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Speaker 6: Old tall development. Is there something to you to you know,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, No, it's always evolving. It's always we're always growing again.

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Speaker 5: As he develops, he'll continue to understand how they're doing it,

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Speaker 5: and then he'll understand the counters to those you know,

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Speaker 5: those adjustments that the defense makes, but you know, really

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Speaker 5: just trying to keep him in pure reads for him,

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Speaker 5: So we could just really just make decisions and pure

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Speaker 5: then those are kind of ways you can help a

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Speaker 2: Now, which it seemed like last week sometimes Drake and

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Speaker 2: I was wondering, do you have sight adjustments in your

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Speaker 3: Car. We we do different things.

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Speaker 5: So it's just you know, deal, just understanding the details

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Speaker 5: that's where we are, that's where we got some young

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Speaker 3: And we just continue to grow. And Drake's footwork was final.

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Speaker 4: Obviously you know what's coaching false incorrectly, But what techniques

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, there's there's no question. That's that's horse crap

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Speaker 5: right during the weekend. It generally carries over the game day.

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Speaker 5: But that was a disappointing as most disappointed I've been.

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Speaker 5: It was market dang preseason game early in that first quarter,

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Speaker 5: see Drake establishing chemistry with some of the younger receivers

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's going to continue to grow. You know,

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Speaker 5: we do the individual routes on air where he's throwing

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Speaker 3: Earlier in the season.

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Speaker 2: Are there still are those still things that he needs

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think everybody does.

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Speaker 5: And it's the details, you know, the young guys, they

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Speaker 3: So these guys will continue to grow, you know in

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Speaker 2: Is there anything else that Jay want needs to do

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Speaker 3: Snaps on offense, you don't have consistent STAPs in practice.

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Speaker 6: Last week that William Gibson had a play more.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely not, you know, andres are a bell cow. There's

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Speaker 5: no question that game got away from us. I felt bad,

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Speaker 5: We ran it for four yards of carry, had some

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Speaker 3: And we got none of that done. But I do

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Speaker 6: How well Drage's played, how quickly he seems to be

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Speaker 3: Do you at all regret not having him beginning the season?

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Speaker 3: And I feel like we did it that way.

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Speaker 2: Just going back to the young receivers, d that it

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Speaker 3: Talk more of the picture. Yeah, I get it.

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Speaker 2: Couch, we know you guys want to be a draft

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Speaker 3: I think those guys are going to be good players

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Speaker 5: I think you know, Drake's anomally, He's he's playing high

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Speaker 3: Are they starters in the NFL yet? Maybe not?

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Speaker 5: But I think they're developable and I think they'll be

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Speaker 5: there's no question about that. But you know, we just

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Speaker 5: opportunity for them. Sure, but yeah, there's no I'm not

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a tough one. You know.

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Speaker 5: We lost a lost a brother, and that's that's tough.

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Speaker 5: I told the guys this morning, this is a business.

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Speaker 5: That's it's a business. It's not always fair.

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Speaker 5: Is that about all? Protection?

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Speaker 1: Is about protection of the health?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely? Will we use him? Yeah? Absolutely? We have him in.

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Speaker 5: We had him in last week the situation arises, I'm

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Speaker 5: In the past game like the pressures you're saying, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: But that's probably the biggest thing that just the stunts

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Speaker 6: script stuff. Obviously it's twenty four to nothing. Do you

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Speaker 3: Yep, And that's it.

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Speaker 5: And you know, it's a definitely area of correction for

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Speaker 3: All right, guys, Happy Thanksgiving, Appreciate it.

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Speaker 5: For where the Patriots are concerned, Let's just get one

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Speaker 5: thing done and let's get it done right, and then

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Speaker 1: Am I lying to anybody here.

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Speaker 3: Let's just get one thing done.

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Speaker 5: Let's get one thing done right, and then we can

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