WEBVTT - 06/15/21 DPS Best Of 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:03.600 You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 0:00:03.680 --> 0:00:07.480 Sports Radio. Mike Florio Pro Football Talk Live joining us. 0:00:07.520 --> 0:00:10.760 Now you want to jump in on this, Mic, No, No, 0:00:10.880 --> 0:00:12.319 I don't. One of the reasons I have money is 0:00:12.320 --> 0:00:17.840 I don't waste on gambling. Look. I go back and 0:00:17.880 --> 0:00:20.520 forth on this too. It's a beautiful mystery. It's what 0:00:20.560 --> 0:00:23.600 Aaron Rodgers wants us to think. He wants us to 0:00:23.640 --> 0:00:29.800 not know. I think the Packers, specifically the CEO Mark Murphy, 0:00:30.200 --> 0:00:32.839 doesn't want him to show up. I think he's daring 0:00:32.960 --> 0:00:34.720 him to not show up. I think that's the only 0:00:34.720 --> 0:00:37.240 way to make sense of that gratuitous for Mark he 0:00:37.320 --> 0:00:41.120 made last week, calling him a complicated fella. I think 0:00:41.200 --> 0:00:44.080 Murphy would rather move on with Jordan Love, save thirty 0:00:44.080 --> 0:00:48.240 five million dollars in salary, and they would give bonus 0:00:48.280 --> 0:00:51.120 money back from Aaron Rodgers. They don't have to worry 0:00:51.120 --> 0:00:53.280 about him playing for the Broncos or anyone else and 0:00:53.360 --> 0:00:55.960 making them look stupid. Now, they could trade him after 0:00:55.960 --> 0:00:58.040 the season, but I think at this point, Murphy, you 0:00:58.080 --> 0:00:59.840 attached him to a lot of detector tests, he'd have 0:00:59.880 --> 0:01:02.040 to say, yeah, I'd rather the guy, and I'll show 0:01:02.120 --> 0:01:04.960 up this year and maybe maybe that vibe makes Aaron 0:01:05.040 --> 0:01:08.200 Rodgers more determined to show up. But you want to 0:01:08.240 --> 0:01:10.679 trade him, don't you to get something for him? So 0:01:10.760 --> 0:01:13.119 you wouldn't You wouldn't do anything now, you would wait 0:01:13.160 --> 0:01:15.800 until after the season. Yeah, I think at this point 0:01:15.800 --> 0:01:17.800 you get more After the season, you get more teams 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:20.320 to the table. Be like Layton Manning in twenty twelve, 0:01:20.360 --> 0:01:23.080 you'd have ten teams. I think you'd easily have ten 0:01:23.080 --> 0:01:26.440 teams after the season. Right now, you got the Broncos, 0:01:27.560 --> 0:01:30.200 maybe the Raiders, maybe the Raiders. The Raiders saying all 0:01:30.200 --> 0:01:32.240 the right things about Derek Carr. But if Aaron Rodgers 0:01:32.280 --> 0:01:34.680 becomes available and you're looking at him going to the Broncos, 0:01:35.080 --> 0:01:37.920 how do you at least not make a phone call, 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:40.080 if for no reason other than to drive up the 0:01:40.120 --> 0:01:43.240 price the Broncos have to pay. But after the season, 0:01:44.120 --> 0:01:46.759 when we have another I was gonna say two hundred 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:49.040 and fifty six, it's now two hundred and seventy two games, 0:01:49.640 --> 0:01:52.240 teams will look at their quarterbacks and said, got to 0:01:52.240 --> 0:01:54.360 get rid of that guy. Oh, Aaron Rodgers is available, 0:01:54.400 --> 0:01:56.480 let's go get in line and try to get in Yeah. 0:01:56.480 --> 0:01:58.520 I'm just trying to understand the timing of all to this, 0:01:58.680 --> 0:02:02.080 Mike that if you're Roger, give me Rogers side of this, 0:02:02.240 --> 0:02:07.520 that what is the endgame for him this year? Well, 0:02:07.800 --> 0:02:10.760 I find it fascinating Dan that guys like James Jones 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:16.080 who played with Rogers still talk to Rogers, and more importantly, 0:02:16.160 --> 0:02:20.399 Rogers still talks to them after they do media and 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:23.400 say what Rogers has said. I think Rogers is doing 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:27.320 a little puppet mastery through guys like James Jones. He 0:02:27.360 --> 0:02:31.320 says it's fixable, it's fixable. Well, okay, then then fix it. 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:33.400 Tell us what it's going to take to fix it? 0:02:33.600 --> 0:02:36.480 What does it take? I don't know. And as I 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:38.760 told you on Friday, I think this is a high 0:02:38.760 --> 0:02:41.280 stakes pr battle where each side is trying to make 0:02:41.320 --> 0:02:43.200 the other side of look like the bad guy. And 0:02:43.400 --> 0:02:46.680 I just think right now, Aaron Rodgers wants to create chaos. 0:02:46.760 --> 0:02:48.480 What was the line from one of the Batman movies. 0:02:48.520 --> 0:02:50.680 Some men just like to see the world burn. I 0:02:50.720 --> 0:02:53.560 think that Rogers is just trying to make the front 0:02:53.560 --> 0:02:59.360 office of the Packers burn. It's one thing that he 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:02.200 says he looked everything about Green Bay. He loves the tradition, 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:04.280 he loves the fans, he loves the coaching staff, he 0:03:04.320 --> 0:03:06.840 loves his teammates. So one, if you don't like somebody 0:03:06.880 --> 0:03:12.080 in management, and if it is fixable, then what is 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:14.079 it that needs to be fixed? Is what I want 0:03:14.080 --> 0:03:17.480 to know, Because you can't undraft Jordan Love. That's not 0:03:17.639 --> 0:03:20.960 fixable unless you say we're going to trade him and 0:03:21.040 --> 0:03:24.120 they don't want to do that. Here's your poll question 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:27.360 for today, Yes or no? Is there someone in management 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:32.000 at your workplace that you date? Overwhelmingly yes, and you 0:03:32.120 --> 0:03:35.800 still show up every day sus so. And it's not 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:37.600 like he has to deal with Mark Murphy in the 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:40.280 locker room. And I would advise Mark Murphy and Brian 0:03:40.320 --> 0:03:42.480 Goodeicots to avoid the locker room in the practice field 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:45.480 this year unless they're going to work cups. But yeah, 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:48.120 just you're there with your teammates, you're there with your 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:50.880 head coach, you're there for the fans. I just the 0:03:50.880 --> 0:03:54.520 whole thing is is pr driven. And who knows what 0:03:54.600 --> 0:03:57.520 Aaron Rodgers wants. And that's what he wants. He wants 0:03:57.600 --> 0:04:00.360 us talking about him and he wants as are the 0:04:00.480 --> 0:04:02.440 right to say, why are you talking about me? Yeah? 0:04:02.480 --> 0:04:04.880 But I don't know what the endgame is Mike does 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:07.960 he is he willing to sit out and not play 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:11.560 football this year? Does he want to be traded? Like, 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:14.760 at some point you have to get to Now, let's 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:17.320 sit down and discuss what's going to happen here. Is 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:19.480 he just going to show up and play football this 0:04:19.560 --> 0:04:22.400 year and act as if none of this happened. I 0:04:22.480 --> 0:04:24.680 thought for a long time that that's what he would 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:27.680 do Dan, that he would show up and basically says, 0:04:27.800 --> 0:04:29.719 what's the big deal? Is there? You know a booker 0:04:29.720 --> 0:04:32.120 that I'm unaware of? Why is everyone looking at me? 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:35.480 And act like it's a media creation? Because it always 0:04:35.560 --> 0:04:38.839 is our fault. Obviously, Yeah, they create the template that 0:04:38.920 --> 0:04:41.240 we react to, and it's our fault for reacting to it. 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:45.680 But I just really truly don't know, and I change 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:49.080 my mind all the time, and I think I am 0:04:49.600 --> 0:04:53.880 am a victim of what he's trying to create. It 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:56.760 would be very easy for him to say what he wants, 0:04:57.640 --> 0:05:00.680 how he wants it. He doesn't have to packers fans 0:05:00.680 --> 0:05:03.200 get upset with me, or more accurately, Aaron Rodgers fans 0:05:03.200 --> 0:05:05.520 get upset with me when I say he should tell 0:05:05.680 --> 0:05:09.159 people what he wants. No, he doesn't have to, but 0:05:09.480 --> 0:05:13.240 when you don't, you create these situations where we end 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:16.160 up obsessing over what the guy wants because for whatever reason, 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:18.640 he won't tell us what he wants. He's like Florio, 0:05:19.120 --> 0:05:22.599 Pro Football Talk Live co host with Chris Simms. You've 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:26.000 got less than two weeks for the veterans to show 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:29.679 up two weeks today. What's going to happen with Deshaun Watson? 0:05:30.279 --> 0:05:33.920 Is he eligible to show up for training camp? This 0:05:34.040 --> 0:05:37.480 is a great question that has taken a back seat 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:40.040 to the Aaron Rodgers drama. And Nick Kissario, the GM 0:05:40.279 --> 0:05:45.599 of the Texans, was on radio in Houston yesterday and 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:50.000 he said, what the talking points have been for weeks now, 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:52.280 they're not saying anything about Watson, etc. But at the 0:05:52.360 --> 0:05:54.719 end of the answer, he said, as we get close 0:05:54.760 --> 0:05:59.039 to training camp, will make the best decision that we 0:05:59.120 --> 0:06:01.840 can in the interest of the Houston Texans. Dan, I 0:06:02.480 --> 0:06:06.560 think that the Texans have been hoping, and I know 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:09.160 that the Texans have been hoping that the twenty two 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:12.279 lawsuits pending against Deshaun Watson would be settled, because if 0:06:12.279 --> 0:06:16.640 they're settled, you're able to trade Watson and you're able 0:06:16.640 --> 0:06:18.560 to get a lot for him in trade. That's the 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:23.840 thing that teams are waiting to have go away if 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:26.200 they can properly resolve the cases. And I've been an 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:29.640 advocate of Deshaun Watson facing the music, having his reckoning, 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:32.520 making these twenty two individuals feel like they've gotten justice, 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:35.720 had their quasi day in court, write the check and 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:38.200 move on with your life, and then he can be traded. 0:06:39.320 --> 0:06:43.560 There's a possibility that the Texans are gonna have to 0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:47.120 make a decision without the cases being settled. What do 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:50.880 you do with Deshaun Watson as training camp arrives. Do 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:53.440 you trade him for whatever you can get, which is 0:06:53.480 --> 0:06:55.640 a lot less if the twenty two cases are pending, 0:06:56.160 --> 0:06:57.800 or do you let him show up because I think 0:06:57.800 --> 0:06:59.880 he will show up because if it gets to put 0:06:59.880 --> 0:07:04.120 a paid leave, which people think will happen, Texans have 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:05.960 to pay him ten million dollars to not play for 0:07:06.000 --> 0:07:08.600 them this year. So I think for the Texans, they 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:11.360 have to ask, if the cases aren't severed, do we 0:07:11.400 --> 0:07:13.840 just take whatever we can get bargain basement deal to 0:07:13.920 --> 0:07:16.760 trade Watson or do we run the risk of paying 0:07:16.800 --> 0:07:18.520 him ten minute and the other side of it too. 0:07:18.800 --> 0:07:21.520 And since and I were talking about this earlier day. 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:24.720 At some point the league, I think, oh, is it 0:07:24.800 --> 0:07:27.800 to Watson, the Texans and any team that would want 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:30.720 to trade for Watson. To get people an inkling of 0:07:30.760 --> 0:07:32.560 what they're thinking, are you putting them on paid leave? 0:07:32.920 --> 0:07:35.960 You know, they had a lot of uncertain with Antonio 0:07:36.000 --> 0:07:38.720 Brown two years ago. They wouldn't tell teams what they 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:40.720 were going to do, and then no one would touch 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:43.960 him with this. He's under contract, He's getting ten million 0:07:44.000 --> 0:07:46.720 this year from somebody. I think they should let the 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:49.760 relevant people know what they're going to do so people 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:52.760 can make their best decisions about what they're going to 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:57.720 do moving forward. The most interesting training camps will be 0:07:57.800 --> 0:08:00.600 where well, obviously green Back. I mean that that's a 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:03.560 giving whether Rogers is there or not there. It's either 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:08.280 gonna be Rogers and you know, making his passive aggressive 0:08:08.280 --> 0:08:11.000 comments and then getting mad when people point out that 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:14.000 he's made passive aggressive comments, which I always like, Seattle 0:08:14.440 --> 0:08:18.120 is going to be compelling because yeah he did. Did 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:20.000 you hear Russell Wilson never asked for a trade. Now 0:08:20.000 --> 0:08:21.400 we didn't have to. He went on your show and 0:08:21.400 --> 0:08:23.160 he made it clear he wants out, and then his 0:08:23.240 --> 0:08:25.320 agent comes out and says, well, my client doesn't want 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:26.960 to be trained, but in the event that you were traded, 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:29.239 these are the four teams he played for. Of course 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:32.760 he was disgruntled and unhappy. He was miserable at the 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:36.320 Super Bowl watching Patrick Mahomes and Tom Brady. How's that 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:38.680 gonna go? Are they able to set all that aside 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:41.200 and easy on board with the Shane Waldron offense? And 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:44.160 you know the Jaguars training camp just for sheer and 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:47.320 tainment purposes with Tim Tebow and the college approach that 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:49.600 Urban Meyer is bringing to town, is that gonna work? 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:53.480 So you know, there's always that shortlist of must see 0:08:53.720 --> 0:08:56.520 training camps that obviously never end up being the subject 0:08:56.559 --> 0:08:58.880 of hard knots, But I wish they would. Okay, let 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:01.439 me you touched on Tim Tebow. I thought he was 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:04.440 going to be a big distraction. We haven't had that 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:09.320 distraction with Tim Tebow. When is that going to happen? Well, 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:13.080 they've kept him from talking to reporters, and I'm not 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:17.240 up on the rules of when accesses mandatory in the offseason. 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:20.360 Once you get into the regular season, everyone's got to 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:22.679 be available at least once during the week and after 0:09:22.760 --> 0:09:25.960 each game. But the weirdest things happened. Dan. There's been 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:29.760 at least two straight Urban Meyer press conferences, and the 0:09:29.840 --> 0:09:34.360 folks covering the Jaguars haven't asked himbout. Tebow just haven't 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:38.000 asked about him. And I get the impression locally they've 0:09:38.040 --> 0:09:41.880 gotten used to it, and that's helped this kind of 0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:44.440 not be a factor. He's just kind of going about 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:48.120 his business. And I don't know, are they getting the 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:50.240 vibe that Meyer doesn't want to be asked about him? 0:09:50.280 --> 0:09:53.320 I don't know, but he's there. They're selling jerseys and 0:09:53.400 --> 0:09:56.160 he's quietly learning the tight end position. I still think 0:09:56.160 --> 0:09:57.600 he's going to be on the team this year. They're 0:09:57.600 --> 0:09:58.920 gonna find a way to get him on the team. 0:09:58.960 --> 0:10:02.840 On the field catching one yard touchdown passes from one 0:10:02.920 --> 0:10:06.880 yard touchdown passes or having one yard rushing touchdowns. It'll 0:10:06.920 --> 0:10:11.840 be awesome. It'll it'll be awesome. It's that's another cottage industry. 0:10:12.000 --> 0:10:16.640 Do you realize the cottage industries we have in our world? 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:21.440 Like Aaron Rodgers, that's a cottage industry that it's the 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:26.199 story about those covering the stories. Lebron is a cottage industry. 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:29.840 Tom Brady is a cottage industry. There's certain guys that 0:10:30.200 --> 0:10:33.840 you have. I mean, the Mothership has moved people around 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:38.280 from city to city to cover Lebron James. Yea, hey, 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:41.600 we want you to relocate to Los Angeles to cover Lebron. 0:10:42.120 --> 0:10:46.280 It's pretty it's pretty crazy. Then people ask me why 0:10:46.280 --> 0:10:49.720 do I keep writing and talking about Aaron Rodgers. Easy response, 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:54.480 I am a businessman. I have access real time to 0:10:54.640 --> 0:10:58.320 my traffic. I see which stories people read. I give 0:10:58.400 --> 0:11:01.000 the people what they want, isn't It's money in this business. 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:04.559 You've got the people who give the fans and the 0:11:04.640 --> 0:11:07.440 readers what they want, and then you've got the people 0:11:07.520 --> 0:11:11.840 who give them what they think they should want, and 0:11:11.920 --> 0:11:14.160 those are the ones that don't stay in business. It's 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:20.080 that simple. I'll check back in with you soon. Mike. 0:11:20.280 --> 0:11:24.160 Thank you, Thank you, buddy. That's Mike Florio, Pro Football 0:11:24.200 --> 0:11:27.720 Talk Live co host. Be sure to catch the live 0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:30.720 edition of The Dan Patrick Show weekdays at nine am 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:34.240 Eastern six am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:39.760 iHeart Radio app. Let's get to write Thomson ESPN Senior Writer, 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:44.040 and Let's make Pappy Land the best seller list on 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:46.560 New York Times. The story of family Fine bourbon and 0:11:46.600 --> 0:11:50.400 other things that last available online wherever books are sold. 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:53.640 I never steer you wrong when I tell you about 0:11:53.920 --> 0:11:57.120 a great book, and this is a great book. It's 0:11:57.120 --> 0:11:59.960 just it's a great read. It feels like it's supposed 0:11:59.960 --> 0:12:03.160 to be about bourbon, but it's really about family, father's 0:12:03.240 --> 0:12:06.319 son and right, Thompson joints us on the program. How 0:12:06.320 --> 0:12:08.880 did I do? How did I do with selling that? Well? 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:11.240 I think you did well like Rush, you know, obviously 0:12:11.280 --> 0:12:13.080 I don't care about being on the top ten, but 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:17.040 we're both lying. Uh the I feel like a Rush 0:12:17.080 --> 0:12:19.120 show is like a grateful dead show that isn't fun, 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:25.120 like like like I don't know that for sure, but 0:12:25.320 --> 0:12:31.360 now look, I uh now I appreciate that. It's uh, 0:12:31.400 --> 0:12:33.800 you know, we've we've joked before. My wife makes fun 0:12:33.800 --> 0:12:35.560 of me saying I did eat, pray, love for dads. 0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:38.760 But I mean it, you know it is. It is 0:12:38.760 --> 0:12:44.360 ostensibly the story of Julian van Winkle making the rarest 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:46.600 bourbon in the world, but I mean, as you alluded 0:12:46.640 --> 0:12:50.080 to it, and an accidentally this accidentally happened, sort of, 0:12:50.280 --> 0:12:53.560 it turned into story about Julian and his dad and 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:55.960 his children, and the story about me. And my dad 0:12:56.000 --> 0:12:59.360 and my two daughters, and uh, because it ends up 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:04.360 being a meditation on inheritance and on home and family 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:06.280 and sort of the things that we want to pass 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:08.880 down to our kids and the things that we don't. Uh. 0:13:09.160 --> 0:13:10.760 You know, I think you know you and I've talked 0:13:10.800 --> 0:13:13.600 about that before, but I mean, it's it is trying 0:13:13.600 --> 0:13:18.199 to unravel those things. If you were going to give 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:22.080 a Bourbon one oh one to our audience, what to 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:24.720 look for the tape, you know, because can be pretty 0:13:24.760 --> 0:13:27.320 intimidating when you walk into a liquor store and you're gonn, 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:30.679 I have no idea what I'm buying here? Do you 0:13:30.800 --> 0:13:34.480 know enough about bourbon after hanging out with Pappy van 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:38.000 Winkle that you could give some advice? I mean, the 0:13:38.000 --> 0:13:40.280 thing I learned is sort of counterintuitive to what you 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:42.840 would think after all of that time around him, which 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:47.720 is one, there there's no wrong answer. So whatever it 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:51.320 is that you like, for whatever reason you like, is great. 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:54.520 I mean, there's so many brands out there. Almost all 0:13:54.600 --> 0:13:57.800 of the whiskey comes from six or seven distilleries, you know. 0:13:57.840 --> 0:13:59.719 I get these emails all the time from people who 0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:01.880 bought Happy Land and are like, well, you know, my 0:14:01.960 --> 0:14:04.640 buddy's getting married, or you know what bottle of whiskey 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:07.760 should I get? And my standard answer is go get 0:14:07.800 --> 0:14:10.560 a really nice crystal decanter and fill it up with 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:14.320 Maker's marker wild turkey, because you know, I don't you know. 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:17.959 The point is the whiskey. And one of the things 0:14:18.120 --> 0:14:19.640 I write about in the book A Lot is coming 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:22.440 to understand that the whiskey is the vehicle for the thing. 0:14:22.520 --> 0:14:25.440 It isn't the thing itself. It is the conversation. It 0:14:25.560 --> 0:14:27.840 is the people you're with. It is the people who 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:30.520 were once there who were now there only in the 0:14:30.560 --> 0:14:34.040 sort of spirit of the toast. And that matters more 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:38.200 to me at least and to Julian than however many 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:41.360 points it got in some competition. Yeah, because you can 0:14:41.400 --> 0:14:43.000 go into a store. In fact, I went into a 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:45.240 store a couple of days ago, and I just love 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:48.240 to pick their brain. I always say, what is it 0:14:48.280 --> 0:14:50.800 that everybody wants and why do they want it? And 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:54.480 it comes down to supply and demand, and people should 0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:58.160 know that Happy van Winkle is very expensive on the 0:14:58.320 --> 0:15:04.160 secondary market, and that the owner Julian, doesn't make that money. 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:06.600 And it feels like I think in the book people 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:08.920 would come up to him, they're they're angry at him, like, 0:15:08.920 --> 0:15:12.680 why is your bourbon so expensive? Well, it's funny because 0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:15.640 people are always asking why don't you make more? And 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:18.360 he always says, because I'm not selling it to you, 0:15:18.480 --> 0:15:21.120 I'm selling it to your children, and I don't know 0:15:21.160 --> 0:15:23.320 what they're gonna like, I don't want to make a 0:15:23.320 --> 0:15:25.440 bunch of this stuff that comes out in twenty years 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:29.240 and find out that the trend has changed. I mean. 0:15:29.440 --> 0:15:31.880 One of the things I found fascinating about being around 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:36.680 Julian and about working on the book was that he 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:39.920 has to live twelve, fifteen, twenty, twenty three years in 0:15:39.920 --> 0:15:45.840 the future, and that sort of accidentally bleeds into other 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:47.640 parts of his life, Like you start to find it 0:15:47.680 --> 0:15:50.440 really seductive because you think, well, could I live like that? 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:53.160 You know, I work for a cable news network, you know. 0:15:53.200 --> 0:15:56.240 I mean, there is no tomorrow past the next thirty seconds, 0:15:56.280 --> 0:16:00.640 and Julian is twenty years out. I mean, they're putting 0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:03.160 in barrels right now. He won't live to see bottled. 0:16:03.520 --> 0:16:05.160 And so one of the things I thought that was 0:16:05.200 --> 0:16:09.120 really fascinating about spending time with him was both listening 0:16:09.160 --> 0:16:11.640 to him talk about that but also just watch how 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:16.680 that bled into how he orders his life. He's right, Thompson. 0:16:16.720 --> 0:16:19.520 The book is Pappy Lynn, A story of family, fine bourbon, 0:16:19.720 --> 0:16:23.520 and the Things that Last. It's available online wherever books 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:28.040 are sold. Give me the person you profiled that you'd 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:32.840 like to do a follow up on. I mean, I'd 0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:36.520 like to go evidently, and if somebody knows more about this, 0:16:36.720 --> 0:16:39.040 please reach out to me. But evidently Michael Jordan is 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:43.040 becoming a really good Marlin fisherman. And I'm yeah, you know, 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:47.040 I remember Richard ben Kramer's famous piece about Ted Williams 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:51.440 and how serious fisherman respected Ted Williams not because he 0:16:51.480 --> 0:16:53.480 was famous, but because he was good at the thing. 0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:57.240 And I'm curious how good Michael is getting at that 0:16:57.360 --> 0:16:59.840 and how into it he's getting. I mean, you know, 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:02.200 is it just something to go do while you drink 0:17:02.240 --> 0:17:06.000 beer or has this activated the lizard brain? And the 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:08.120 name of his boat, which evidently he came up with 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:10.720 I love, is Catch twenty three, which is a great 0:17:10.760 --> 0:17:15.480 fishing boat name. Like I'm just like, oh, Michael, but 0:17:16.720 --> 0:17:19.159 I would be interested to know if that is a 0:17:19.200 --> 0:17:22.240 hobby or if it has entered the realm of obsession 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:25.840 and you do these deep dives. You did a wonderful 0:17:25.880 --> 0:17:29.080 one with pat Riley. It all. It just feels like 0:17:29.119 --> 0:17:33.879 there's interconnected tissue with a lot of these marquee people 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:36.399 in what they do and how they do it and 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:40.360 why they do it? Or am I reading too much 0:17:40.400 --> 0:17:44.400 into that? Right? Well? I think one. I think they're 0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:47.439 only like six stories. You know that happen over and 0:17:47.440 --> 0:17:49.359 over and over again. I mean I love just to 0:17:49.400 --> 0:17:51.800 sort of sit back and laugh like fathers and sons. Man, 0:17:52.160 --> 0:17:54.800 you know, we think we're so complicated and we're just not. 0:17:55.440 --> 0:17:58.320 And you know, I mean, it's it's all there right 0:17:58.359 --> 0:18:01.560 below the surface. So I mean, I've spent a lot 0:18:01.600 --> 0:18:03.480 of time wondering. I don't know if you have, but like, 0:18:03.640 --> 0:18:06.440 is there a greatness gene? Like if Michael Jordan would 0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:11.240 have been introduced to swimming or to chess, like was 0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:16.000 he going to be great at whatever first activated his mind? 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:17.800 I mean you and I talked about that a couple 0:18:17.840 --> 0:18:19.760 of years ago, about Tiger Woods. I mean, if someone 0:18:19.760 --> 0:18:21.760 would have if Earl Woods would have handed Tiger Woods 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:25.160 a cello, would he have been yo yo ma? And 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:27.160 I don't really know the answer to that, but there 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:30.720 do seem to be points of connection with these people 0:18:30.760 --> 0:18:34.640 who are super high achiever. Are those people ever satisfied though? 0:18:35.880 --> 0:18:38.679 I don't know, usually not, that's what you know. You 0:18:38.720 --> 0:18:40.960 and I've talked about Dale Murphy, who is the happiest 0:18:41.000 --> 0:18:44.080 retired ballplayer I've ever met, And I think that it's 0:18:44.119 --> 0:18:48.680 because the people who are happy understand that the famous 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:55.119 version of them has only a passing similarity with the 0:18:55.119 --> 0:18:59.120 actual them, and that you have to, like somehow let 0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:01.720 that person go. I think the people who are happiest 0:19:01.760 --> 0:19:05.520 are the ones who don't you know, is that famous 0:19:05.560 --> 0:19:07.720 John Updyke quote, the mask eats to face. I think 0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:10.680 the people who are happiest are the ones who are 0:19:10.680 --> 0:19:13.000 self aware enough to know that that is probably going 0:19:13.000 --> 0:19:14.800 to happen and try to stop it. What are you 0:19:14.800 --> 0:19:18.200 working on now? I'm doing a thing about Manchester United 0:19:18.440 --> 0:19:23.280 that is that is roaring along. Uh, it's I can't 0:19:23.280 --> 0:19:27.040 really talk about it, but I've been brainstorming a thing 0:19:27.080 --> 0:19:30.080 with Mickey Hart from The Grateful Dead. Uh, sixteen year 0:19:30.119 --> 0:19:32.560 old me is mind is blown to get an email 0:19:32.920 --> 0:19:36.639 from Michael Hart. So that's pretty incredible. Are you in 0:19:36.680 --> 0:19:40.320 England now? No, I just got home I'm in Laurel, Mississippi. 0:19:40.320 --> 0:19:42.960 I had a book event last night. Okay, but no 0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:46.360 I got home. I don't know Sunday. I don't even 0:19:46.359 --> 0:19:48.680 know what day it is. And uh, but you can't 0:19:48.720 --> 0:19:51.240 tell me what the Manchester United Oh sure, sure? And 0:19:51.520 --> 0:19:56.040 so what's what's It's nominally about the Super League, which 0:19:56.119 --> 0:19:57.960 I'm sure you guys have talked about on the show. 0:19:58.200 --> 0:20:02.760 And but what's interesting is I wanted to write about 0:20:02.800 --> 0:20:06.160 the one hundred and fifty year arc of man United 0:20:06.200 --> 0:20:10.440 fans as a way of showing both who the people 0:20:10.480 --> 0:20:13.399 were who were really angry about this and how they 0:20:13.440 --> 0:20:17.119 got so angry. And you know, I really like places 0:20:17.119 --> 0:20:19.280 where the membrane between the past and the president is 0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:22.600 really finn And you know Manchester, you know, the birthplace 0:20:22.640 --> 0:20:26.520 of the Industrial Revolution. There were these neighborhoods just north 0:20:26.600 --> 0:20:28.760 of the city center where all the cotton mills were, 0:20:29.200 --> 0:20:33.000 and that was forever the heartlands of man United supporters. 0:20:33.440 --> 0:20:36.879 And the same forces of globalism that were invented in 0:20:36.920 --> 0:20:39.760 those factories where their ancestors worked are now at work 0:20:39.840 --> 0:20:43.359 on soccer and everything else football to them. Apologies if 0:20:43.359 --> 0:20:46.600 you're at Manchester. And it was interesting to me that 0:20:46.680 --> 0:20:50.400 what you're really watching is a business decoupling from one 0:20:50.480 --> 0:20:55.719 group of parochial local fans and recoupling to a large 0:20:55.800 --> 0:20:59.679 global audience of consumers. And so all of the stress 0:20:59.760 --> 0:21:01.720 and the tension in the anks that you feel in 0:21:01.800 --> 0:21:06.000 Manchester feels connected to those really old forces that are 0:21:06.040 --> 0:21:09.800 just beneath the surface. Have you taken a deep dive 0:21:09.840 --> 0:21:12.560 into music with a profile? I mean, I know that 0:21:12.560 --> 0:21:14.840 I've known you with all the things you've done sports wise, 0:21:14.920 --> 0:21:20.159 but I'm curious about that musical genius that we see 0:21:20.240 --> 0:21:23.919 and is it applicable to Like Bruce Springsteen strikes me 0:21:24.000 --> 0:21:28.240 as a perfectionist and driven to whatever lengths to continue 0:21:28.280 --> 0:21:30.920