Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Speaker 1: Sports Radio. Mike Florio Pro Football Talk Live joining us.
Speaker 1: Now you want to jump in on this, Mic, No, No,
Speaker 1: I don't. One of the reasons I have money is
Speaker 1: I don't waste on gambling. Look. I go back and
Speaker 1: forth on this too. It's a beautiful mystery. It's what
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers wants us to think. He wants us to
Speaker 1: not know. I think the Packers, specifically the CEO Mark Murphy,
Speaker 1: doesn't want him to show up. I think he's daring
Speaker 1: him to not show up. I think that's the only
Speaker 1: way to make sense of that gratuitous for Mark he
Speaker 1: made last week, calling him a complicated fella. I think
Speaker 1: Murphy would rather move on with Jordan Love, save thirty
Speaker 1: five million dollars in salary, and they would give bonus
Speaker 1: money back from Aaron Rodgers. They don't have to worry
Speaker 1: about him playing for the Broncos or anyone else and
Speaker 1: making them look stupid. Now, they could trade him after
Speaker 1: the season, but I think at this point, Murphy, you
Speaker 1: attached him to a lot of detector tests, he'd have
Speaker 1: to say, yeah, I'd rather the guy, and I'll show
Speaker 1: up this year and maybe maybe that vibe makes Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers more determined to show up. But you want to
Speaker 1: trade him, don't you to get something for him? So
Speaker 1: you wouldn't You wouldn't do anything now, you would wait
Speaker 1: until after the season. Yeah, I think at this point
Speaker 1: you get more After the season, you get more teams
Speaker 1: to the table. Be like Layton Manning in twenty twelve,
Speaker 1: you'd have ten teams. I think you'd easily have ten
Speaker 1: teams after the season. Right now, you got the Broncos,
Speaker 1: maybe the Raiders, maybe the Raiders. The Raiders saying all
Speaker 1: the right things about Derek Carr. But if Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: becomes available and you're looking at him going to the Broncos,
Speaker 1: how do you at least not make a phone call,
Speaker 1: if for no reason other than to drive up the
Speaker 1: price the Broncos have to pay. But after the season,
Speaker 1: when we have another I was gonna say two hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty six, it's now two hundred and seventy two games,
Speaker 1: teams will look at their quarterbacks and said, got to
Speaker 1: get rid of that guy. Oh, Aaron Rodgers is available,
Speaker 1: let's go get in line and try to get in Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to understand the timing of all to this,
Speaker 1: Mike that if you're Roger, give me Rogers side of this,
Speaker 1: that what is the endgame for him this year? Well,
Speaker 1: I find it fascinating Dan that guys like James Jones
Speaker 1: who played with Rogers still talk to Rogers, and more importantly,
Speaker 1: Rogers still talks to them after they do media and
Speaker 1: say what Rogers has said. I think Rogers is doing
Speaker 1: a little puppet mastery through guys like James Jones. He
Speaker 1: says it's fixable, it's fixable. Well, okay, then then fix it.
Speaker 1: Tell us what it's going to take to fix it?
Speaker 1: What does it take? I don't know. And as I
Speaker 1: told you on Friday, I think this is a high
Speaker 1: stakes pr battle where each side is trying to make
Speaker 1: the other side of look like the bad guy. And
Speaker 1: I just think right now, Aaron Rodgers wants to create chaos.
Speaker 1: What was the line from one of the Batman movies.
Speaker 1: Some men just like to see the world burn. I
Speaker 1: think that Rogers is just trying to make the front
Speaker 1: office of the Packers burn. It's one thing that he
Speaker 1: says he looked everything about Green Bay. He loves the tradition,
Speaker 1: he loves the fans, he loves the coaching staff, he
Speaker 1: loves his teammates. So one, if you don't like somebody
Speaker 1: in management, and if it is fixable, then what is
Speaker 1: it that needs to be fixed? Is what I want
Speaker 1: to know, Because you can't undraft Jordan Love. That's not
Speaker 1: fixable unless you say we're going to trade him and
Speaker 1: they don't want to do that. Here's your poll question
Speaker 1: for today, Yes or no? Is there someone in management
Speaker 1: at your workplace that you date? Overwhelmingly yes, and you
Speaker 1: still show up every day sus so. And it's not
Speaker 1: like he has to deal with Mark Murphy in the
Speaker 1: locker room. And I would advise Mark Murphy and Brian
Speaker 1: Goodeicots to avoid the locker room in the practice field
Speaker 1: this year unless they're going to work cups. But yeah,
Speaker 1: just you're there with your teammates, you're there with your
Speaker 1: head coach, you're there for the fans. I just the
Speaker 1: whole thing is is pr driven. And who knows what
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers wants. And that's what he wants. He wants
Speaker 1: us talking about him and he wants as are the
Speaker 1: right to say, why are you talking about me? Yeah?
Speaker 1: But I don't know what the endgame is Mike does
Speaker 1: he is he willing to sit out and not play
Speaker 1: football this year? Does he want to be traded? Like,
Speaker 1: at some point you have to get to Now, let's
Speaker 1: sit down and discuss what's going to happen here. Is
Speaker 1: he just going to show up and play football this
Speaker 1: year and act as if none of this happened. I
Speaker 1: thought for a long time that that's what he would
Speaker 1: do Dan, that he would show up and basically says,
Speaker 1: what's the big deal? Is there? You know a booker
Speaker 1: that I'm unaware of? Why is everyone looking at me?
Speaker 1: And act like it's a media creation? Because it always
Speaker 1: is our fault. Obviously, Yeah, they create the template that
Speaker 1: we react to, and it's our fault for reacting to it.
Speaker 1: But I just really truly don't know, and I change
Speaker 1: my mind all the time, and I think I am
Speaker 1: am a victim of what he's trying to create. It
Speaker 1: would be very easy for him to say what he wants,
Speaker 1: how he wants it. He doesn't have to packers fans
Speaker 1: get upset with me, or more accurately, Aaron Rodgers fans
Speaker 1: get upset with me when I say he should tell
Speaker 1: people what he wants. No, he doesn't have to, but
Speaker 1: when you don't, you create these situations where we end
Speaker 1: up obsessing over what the guy wants because for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: he won't tell us what he wants. He's like Florio,
Speaker 1: Pro Football Talk Live co host with Chris Simms. You've
Speaker 1: got less than two weeks for the veterans to show
Speaker 1: up two weeks today. What's going to happen with Deshaun Watson?
Speaker 1: Is he eligible to show up for training camp? This
Speaker 1: is a great question that has taken a back seat
Speaker 1: to the Aaron Rodgers drama. And Nick Kissario, the GM
Speaker 1: of the Texans, was on radio in Houston yesterday and
Speaker 1: he said, what the talking points have been for weeks now,
Speaker 1: they're not saying anything about Watson, etc. But at the
Speaker 1: end of the answer, he said, as we get close
Speaker 1: to training camp, will make the best decision that we
Speaker 1: can in the interest of the Houston Texans. Dan, I
Speaker 1: think that the Texans have been hoping, and I know
Speaker 1: that the Texans have been hoping that the twenty two
Speaker 1: lawsuits pending against Deshaun Watson would be settled, because if
Speaker 1: they're settled, you're able to trade Watson and you're able
Speaker 1: to get a lot for him in trade. That's the
Speaker 1: thing that teams are waiting to have go away if
Speaker 1: they can properly resolve the cases. And I've been an
Speaker 1: advocate of Deshaun Watson facing the music, having his reckoning,
Speaker 1: making these twenty two individuals feel like they've gotten justice,
Speaker 1: had their quasi day in court, write the check and
Speaker 1: move on with your life, and then he can be traded.
Speaker 1: There's a possibility that the Texans are gonna have to
Speaker 1: make a decision without the cases being settled. What do
Speaker 1: you do with Deshaun Watson as training camp arrives. Do
Speaker 1: you trade him for whatever you can get, which is
Speaker 1: a lot less if the twenty two cases are pending,
Speaker 1: or do you let him show up because I think
Speaker 1: he will show up because if it gets to put
Speaker 1: a paid leave, which people think will happen, Texans have
Speaker 1: to pay him ten million dollars to not play for
Speaker 1: them this year. So I think for the Texans, they
Speaker 1: have to ask, if the cases aren't severed, do we
Speaker 1: just take whatever we can get bargain basement deal to
Speaker 1: trade Watson or do we run the risk of paying
Speaker 1: him ten minute and the other side of it too.
Speaker 1: And since and I were talking about this earlier day.
Speaker 1: At some point the league, I think, oh, is it
Speaker 1: to Watson, the Texans and any team that would want
Speaker 1: to trade for Watson. To get people an inkling of
Speaker 1: what they're thinking, are you putting them on paid leave?
Speaker 1: You know, they had a lot of uncertain with Antonio
Speaker 1: Brown two years ago. They wouldn't tell teams what they
Speaker 1: were going to do, and then no one would touch
Speaker 1: him with this. He's under contract, He's getting ten million
Speaker 1: this year from somebody. I think they should let the
Speaker 1: relevant people know what they're going to do so people
Speaker 1: can make their best decisions about what they're going to
Speaker 1: do moving forward. The most interesting training camps will be
Speaker 1: where well, obviously green Back. I mean that that's a
Speaker 1: giving whether Rogers is there or not there. It's either
Speaker 1: gonna be Rogers and you know, making his passive aggressive
Speaker 1: comments and then getting mad when people point out that
Speaker 1: he's made passive aggressive comments, which I always like, Seattle
Speaker 1: is going to be compelling because yeah he did. Did
Speaker 1: you hear Russell Wilson never asked for a trade. Now
Speaker 1: we didn't have to. He went on your show and
Speaker 1: he made it clear he wants out, and then his
Speaker 1: agent comes out and says, well, my client doesn't want
Speaker 1: to be trained, but in the event that you were traded,
Speaker 1: these are the four teams he played for. Of course
Speaker 1: he was disgruntled and unhappy. He was miserable at the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl watching Patrick Mahomes and Tom Brady. How's that
Speaker 1: gonna go? Are they able to set all that aside
Speaker 1: and easy on board with the Shane Waldron offense? And
Speaker 1: you know the Jaguars training camp just for sheer and
Speaker 1: tainment purposes with Tim Tebow and the college approach that
Speaker 1: Urban Meyer is bringing to town, is that gonna work?
Speaker 1: So you know, there's always that shortlist of must see
Speaker 1: training camps that obviously never end up being the subject
Speaker 1: of hard knots, But I wish they would. Okay, let
Speaker 1: me you touched on Tim Tebow. I thought he was
Speaker 1: going to be a big distraction. We haven't had that
Speaker 1: distraction with Tim Tebow. When is that going to happen? Well,
Speaker 1: they've kept him from talking to reporters, and I'm not
Speaker 1: up on the rules of when accesses mandatory in the offseason.
Speaker 1: Once you get into the regular season, everyone's got to
Speaker 1: be available at least once during the week and after
Speaker 1: each game. But the weirdest things happened. Dan. There's been
Speaker 1: at least two straight Urban Meyer press conferences, and the
Speaker 1: folks covering the Jaguars haven't asked himbout. Tebow just haven't
Speaker 1: asked about him. And I get the impression locally they've
Speaker 1: gotten used to it, and that's helped this kind of
Speaker 1: not be a factor. He's just kind of going about
Speaker 1: his business. And I don't know, are they getting the
Speaker 1: vibe that Meyer doesn't want to be asked about him?
Speaker 1: I don't know, but he's there. They're selling jerseys and
Speaker 1: he's quietly learning the tight end position. I still think
Speaker 1: he's going to be on the team this year. They're
Speaker 1: gonna find a way to get him on the team.
Speaker 1: On the field catching one yard touchdown passes from one
Speaker 1: yard touchdown passes or having one yard rushing touchdowns. It'll
Speaker 1: be awesome. It'll it'll be awesome. It's that's another cottage industry.
Speaker 1: Do you realize the cottage industries we have in our world?
Speaker 1: Like Aaron Rodgers, that's a cottage industry that it's the
Speaker 1: story about those covering the stories. Lebron is a cottage industry.
Speaker 1: Tom Brady is a cottage industry. There's certain guys that
Speaker 1: you have. I mean, the Mothership has moved people around
Speaker 1: from city to city to cover Lebron James. Yea, hey,
Speaker 1: we want you to relocate to Los Angeles to cover Lebron.
Speaker 1: It's pretty it's pretty crazy. Then people ask me why
Speaker 1: do I keep writing and talking about Aaron Rodgers. Easy response,
Speaker 1: I am a businessman. I have access real time to
Speaker 1: my traffic. I see which stories people read. I give
Speaker 1: the people what they want, isn't It's money in this business.
Speaker 1: You've got the people who give the fans and the
Speaker 1: readers what they want, and then you've got the people
Speaker 1: who give them what they think they should want, and
Speaker 1: those are the ones that don't stay in business. It's
Speaker 1: that simple. I'll check back in with you soon. Mike.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you, buddy. That's Mike Florio, Pro Football
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Speaker 1: and Let's make Pappy Land the best seller list on
Speaker 1: New York Times. The story of family Fine bourbon and
Speaker 1: other things that last available online wherever books are sold.
Speaker 1: I never steer you wrong when I tell you about
Speaker 1: a great book, and this is a great book. It's
Speaker 1: just it's a great read. It feels like it's supposed
Speaker 1: to be about bourbon, but it's really about family, father's
Speaker 1: son and right, Thompson joints us on the program. How
Speaker 1: did I do? How did I do with selling that? Well?
Speaker 1: I think you did well like Rush, you know, obviously
Speaker 1: I don't care about being on the top ten, but
Speaker 1: we're both lying. Uh the I feel like a Rush
Speaker 1: show is like a grateful dead show that isn't fun,
Speaker 1: like like like I don't know that for sure, but
Speaker 1: now look, I uh now I appreciate that. It's uh,
Speaker 1: you know, we've we've joked before. My wife makes fun
Speaker 1: of me saying I did eat, pray, love for dads.
Speaker 1: But I mean it, you know it is. It is
Speaker 1: ostensibly the story of Julian van Winkle making the rarest
Speaker 1: bourbon in the world, but I mean, as you alluded
Speaker 1: to it, and an accidentally this accidentally happened, sort of,
Speaker 1: it turned into story about Julian and his dad and
Speaker 1: his children, and the story about me. And my dad
Speaker 1: and my two daughters, and uh, because it ends up
Speaker 1: being a meditation on inheritance and on home and family
Speaker 1: and sort of the things that we want to pass
Speaker 1: down to our kids and the things that we don't. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, I think you know you and I've talked
Speaker 1: about that before, but I mean, it's it is trying
Speaker 1: to unravel those things. If you were going to give
Speaker 1: a Bourbon one oh one to our audience, what to
Speaker 1: look for the tape, you know, because can be pretty
Speaker 1: intimidating when you walk into a liquor store and you're gonn,
Speaker 1: I have no idea what I'm buying here? Do you
Speaker 1: know enough about bourbon after hanging out with Pappy van
Speaker 1: Winkle that you could give some advice? I mean, the
Speaker 1: thing I learned is sort of counterintuitive to what you
Speaker 1: would think after all of that time around him, which
Speaker 1: is one, there there's no wrong answer. So whatever it
Speaker 1: is that you like, for whatever reason you like, is great.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many brands out there. Almost all
Speaker 1: of the whiskey comes from six or seven distilleries, you know.
Speaker 1: I get these emails all the time from people who
Speaker 1: bought Happy Land and are like, well, you know, my
Speaker 1: buddy's getting married, or you know what bottle of whiskey
Speaker 1: should I get? And my standard answer is go get
Speaker 1: a really nice crystal decanter and fill it up with
Speaker 1: Maker's marker wild turkey, because you know, I don't you know.
Speaker 1: The point is the whiskey. And one of the things
Speaker 1: I write about in the book A Lot is coming
Speaker 1: to understand that the whiskey is the vehicle for the thing.
Speaker 1: It isn't the thing itself. It is the conversation. It
Speaker 1: is the people you're with. It is the people who
Speaker 1: were once there who were now there only in the
Speaker 1: sort of spirit of the toast. And that matters more
Speaker 1: to me at least and to Julian than however many
Speaker 1: points it got in some competition. Yeah, because you can
Speaker 1: go into a store. In fact, I went into a
Speaker 1: store a couple of days ago, and I just love
Speaker 1: to pick their brain. I always say, what is it
Speaker 1: that everybody wants and why do they want it? And
Speaker 1: it comes down to supply and demand, and people should
Speaker 1: know that Happy van Winkle is very expensive on the
Speaker 1: secondary market, and that the owner Julian, doesn't make that money.
Speaker 1: And it feels like I think in the book people
Speaker 1: would come up to him, they're they're angry at him, like,
Speaker 1: why is your bourbon so expensive? Well, it's funny because
Speaker 1: people are always asking why don't you make more? And
Speaker 1: he always says, because I'm not selling it to you,
Speaker 1: I'm selling it to your children, and I don't know
Speaker 1: what they're gonna like, I don't want to make a
Speaker 1: bunch of this stuff that comes out in twenty years
Speaker 1: and find out that the trend has changed. I mean.
Speaker 1: One of the things I found fascinating about being around
Speaker 1: Julian and about working on the book was that he
Speaker 1: has to live twelve, fifteen, twenty, twenty three years in
Speaker 1: the future, and that sort of accidentally bleeds into other
Speaker 1: parts of his life, Like you start to find it
Speaker 1: really seductive because you think, well, could I live like that?
Speaker 1: You know, I work for a cable news network, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, there is no tomorrow past the next thirty seconds,
Speaker 1: and Julian is twenty years out. I mean, they're putting
Speaker 1: in barrels right now. He won't live to see bottled.
Speaker 1: And so one of the things I thought that was
Speaker 1: really fascinating about spending time with him was both listening
Speaker 1: to him talk about that but also just watch how
Speaker 1: that bled into how he orders his life. He's right, Thompson.
Speaker 1: The book is Pappy Lynn, A story of family, fine bourbon,
Speaker 1: and the Things that Last. It's available online wherever books
Speaker 1: are sold. Give me the person you profiled that you'd
Speaker 1: like to do a follow up on. I mean, I'd
Speaker 1: like to go evidently, and if somebody knows more about this,
Speaker 1: please reach out to me. But evidently Michael Jordan is
Speaker 1: becoming a really good Marlin fisherman. And I'm yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I remember Richard ben Kramer's famous piece about Ted Williams
Speaker 1: and how serious fisherman respected Ted Williams not because he
Speaker 1: was famous, but because he was good at the thing.
Speaker 1: And I'm curious how good Michael is getting at that
Speaker 1: and how into it he's getting. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: is it just something to go do while you drink
Speaker 1: beer or has this activated the lizard brain? And the
Speaker 1: name of his boat, which evidently he came up with
Speaker 1: I love, is Catch twenty three, which is a great
Speaker 1: fishing boat name. Like I'm just like, oh, Michael, but
Speaker 1: I would be interested to know if that is a
Speaker 1: hobby or if it has entered the realm of obsession
Speaker 1: and you do these deep dives. You did a wonderful
Speaker 1: one with pat Riley. It all. It just feels like
Speaker 1: there's interconnected tissue with a lot of these marquee people
Speaker 1: in what they do and how they do it and
Speaker 1: why they do it? Or am I reading too much
Speaker 1: into that? Right? Well? I think one. I think they're
Speaker 1: only like six stories. You know that happen over and
Speaker 1: over and over again. I mean I love just to
Speaker 1: sort of sit back and laugh like fathers and sons. Man,
Speaker 1: you know, we think we're so complicated and we're just not.
Speaker 1: And you know, I mean, it's it's all there right
Speaker 1: below the surface. So I mean, I've spent a lot
Speaker 1: of time wondering. I don't know if you have, but like,
Speaker 1: is there a greatness gene? Like if Michael Jordan would
Speaker 1: have been introduced to swimming or to chess, like was
Speaker 1: he going to be great at whatever first activated his mind?
Speaker 1: I mean you and I talked about that a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago, about Tiger Woods. I mean, if someone
Speaker 1: would have if Earl Woods would have handed Tiger Woods
Speaker 1: a cello, would he have been yo yo ma? And
Speaker 1: I don't really know the answer to that, but there
Speaker 1: do seem to be points of connection with these people
Speaker 1: who are super high achiever. Are those people ever satisfied though?
Speaker 1: I don't know, usually not, that's what you know. You
Speaker 1: and I've talked about Dale Murphy, who is the happiest
Speaker 1: retired ballplayer I've ever met, And I think that it's
Speaker 1: because the people who are happy understand that the famous
Speaker 1: version of them has only a passing similarity with the
Speaker 1: actual them, and that you have to, like somehow let
Speaker 1: that person go. I think the people who are happiest
Speaker 1: are the ones who don't you know, is that famous
Speaker 1: John Updyke quote, the mask eats to face. I think
Speaker 1: the people who are happiest are the ones who are
Speaker 1: self aware enough to know that that is probably going
Speaker 1: to happen and try to stop it. What are you
Speaker 1: working on now? I'm doing a thing about Manchester United
Speaker 1: that is that is roaring along. Uh, it's I can't
Speaker 1: really talk about it, but I've been brainstorming a thing
Speaker 1: with Mickey Hart from The Grateful Dead. Uh, sixteen year
Speaker 1: old me is mind is blown to get an email
Speaker 1: from Michael Hart. So that's pretty incredible. Are you in
Speaker 1: England now? No, I just got home I'm in Laurel, Mississippi.
Speaker 1: I had a book event last night. Okay, but no
Speaker 1: I got home. I don't know Sunday. I don't even
Speaker 1: know what day it is. And uh, but you can't
Speaker 1: tell me what the Manchester United Oh sure, sure? And
Speaker 1: so what's what's It's nominally about the Super League, which
Speaker 1: I'm sure you guys have talked about on the show.
Speaker 1: And but what's interesting is I wanted to write about
Speaker 1: the one hundred and fifty year arc of man United
Speaker 1: fans as a way of showing both who the people
Speaker 1: were who were really angry about this and how they
Speaker 1: got so angry. And you know, I really like places
Speaker 1: where the membrane between the past and the president is
Speaker 1: really finn And you know Manchester, you know, the birthplace
Speaker 1: of the Industrial Revolution. There were these neighborhoods just north
Speaker 1: of the city center where all the cotton mills were,
Speaker 1: and that was forever the heartlands of man United supporters.
Speaker 1: And the same forces of globalism that were invented in
Speaker 1: those factories where their ancestors worked are now at work
Speaker 1: on soccer and everything else football to them. Apologies if
Speaker 1: you're at Manchester. And it was interesting to me that
Speaker 1: what you're really watching is a business decoupling from one
Speaker 1: group of parochial local fans and recoupling to a large
Speaker 1: global audience of consumers. And so all of the stress
Speaker 1: and the tension in the anks that you feel in
Speaker 1: Manchester feels connected to those really old forces that are
Speaker 1: just beneath the surface. Have you taken a deep dive
Speaker 1: into music with a profile? I mean, I know that
Speaker 1: I've known you with all the things you've done sports wise,
Speaker 1: but I'm curious about that musical genius that we see
Speaker 1: and is it applicable to Like Bruce Springsteen strikes me
Speaker 1: as a perfectionist and driven to whatever lengths to continue
Speaker 1: to prove himself. But I don't know if you've done
Speaker 1: any profiles. I have not. I would like to, because
Speaker 1: I do think there's some similarities. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: specifically with Bruce. I mean, when you go, I like
Speaker 1: to listen to those records in order, because they all
Speaker 1: feel like letters from a certain time in his life.
Speaker 1: And one of the things I think it's probably different
Speaker 1: is that an athlete is great by suppressing that self knowledge,
Speaker 1: and I think if you're going to be Bruce Springstein,
Speaker 1: you have to be hyper self aware if you're going
Speaker 1: to put out these documents that are based on your
Speaker 1: own life that feel true to the listener. And so
Speaker 1: I think that there it's interesting that I think there
Speaker 1: are probably a lot of the same traits. But I
Speaker 1: bet musicians to be great have to access insecurities and
Speaker 1: doubts that athletes have to deny and repress. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I've never really thought about it until now,
Speaker 1: but I mean, I imagine that there are similarities, but
Speaker 1: also those things feel very different. I wish you luck
Speaker 1: with the book and hopefully will make it. Now do
Speaker 1: you want to be number one on the New York
Speaker 1: Times Best Seller or just on the best song? Well? Well,
Speaker 1: how about where what was led Zeppelin? With a whole
Speaker 1: lot of love? We know? Only do we know where
Speaker 1: a whole lot of Love ended up? I should know
Speaker 1: this my favorite band. I got it as it was
Speaker 1: once eight? You know what? Eight sounds great? I mean,
Speaker 1: by the way, the fact that when the Levy Breaks
Speaker 1: wasn't the number one song in the world is just
Speaker 1: utterly baffling to me. I mean, get come on, was
Speaker 1: voting on this stuff? I think it's just people buying
Speaker 1: it is that right, Paully, that's it just Billboard rankings,
Speaker 1: Amazon purchases. So we did that too, led Zeppelin, we collectively,
Speaker 1: what's interesting? So what was number one? Sorry, we're way
Speaker 1: off the track. What was number one when this was
Speaker 1: number eight? Paully? Do you have Billboard the top ten
Speaker 1: list when Zeppelin was eight? Yeah? I do. Actually, I
Speaker 1: want you back by the Jackson five. That's pretty good.
Speaker 1: That's a good song. What was two Venus Shocking Blue?
Speaker 1: I don't know that. Raindrops Keep Falling My Head bj Thomas, Okay,
Speaker 1: it just passed away. Correcting it now if I confirmed?
Speaker 1: Whole Lot of Love was number four that week? Okay?
Speaker 1: What was three? Raindrops Keep fall in My Head? Don't
Speaker 1: Cry Daddy by Elvis was six? Come on, Sly and
Speaker 1: the Family Stone with number eight slide Sly underrated. Sly
Speaker 1: and the Family Stone underrated. Hey, good luck with the book.
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Speaker 1: get your podcasts. NBA Competition Committee will reportedly look into
Speaker 1: the way certain shooters initiate contact and draw fouls with
Speaker 1: unnatural movements aka the Redgi Miller Rule. James Harden and
Speaker 1: Trey Young have made a living out of doing this.
Speaker 1: Reggie is the godfather of this, he joins us. Now
Speaker 1: we're gonna call it to Reggie Miller rule. What do
Speaker 1: you think this is getting ridiculous? I'm serious. I mean
Speaker 1: I got penalized. I shouldn't say I but they put
Speaker 1: the rule in about the leg kick, which to this
Speaker 1: day I still believe as a good move and a
Speaker 1: good shot. Though you're kicking your leg out to draw,
Speaker 1: I'm just creating space. That's all This is my space.
Speaker 1: So look, okay, explain this though. What they're focusing this
Speaker 1: rule on James Harden and Trey Young, right, and we've
Speaker 1: been hearing this year about those two players. I guess
Speaker 1: you can probably throw Janas in there as well. Offensive
Speaker 1: players seeking out contact on drives on those floaters and
Speaker 1: initiating the contact and getting the call it is. I
Speaker 1: think it's going to be so hard to monitor for
Speaker 1: these officials. They already got enough on their plate. Now
Speaker 1: they've got to figure out in a split second at times,
Speaker 1: without the help of replay, who's initiating the contact they
Speaker 1: wanted scoring up. So what they're really doing is penalizing
Speaker 1: the shooter and the scorer in this instance. So I'm
Speaker 1: a little surprised at that, because freedom of movement, this
Speaker 1: is what they've always wanted. So this is gonna, to
Speaker 1: me kind of hurt some of the scores because as
Speaker 1: a natural born scorer, as I won was you do
Speaker 1: seek out contact. I felt I played better and I
Speaker 1: shot better when I knew where the defender was, when
Speaker 1: I could feel him. It was a much harder shot
Speaker 1: for me if I was wide open as opposed to
Speaker 1: someone closed into me, closing on me or being right
Speaker 1: on my body. I felt I was a little bit
Speaker 1: easier for me to get the ball off and score.
Speaker 1: But it feels like Trey Young and James Harden's a
Speaker 1: gimmick about them drawing their contact. I'm more surprised they
Speaker 1: have been talked about like the traveling and the stepbacks
Speaker 1: and the sidesteps. To me, that's more infuriating than seeking
Speaker 1: out contact. But I kind of get it a little bit.
Speaker 1: Less free throws, maybe faster games. Maybe that's what the
Speaker 1: NBA's trying to do here. I don't know. Again, you're
Speaker 1: you're adding and piling on these officials to make split
Speaker 1: second decisions in big time moments of playoff games or
Speaker 1: for next year. I mean, I think they're overloaded already,
Speaker 1: the officials, and now you're telling them they got to
Speaker 1: be able to differentiate between who's making the contact. Yeah,
Speaker 1: good luck with that. Do you think that there were
Speaker 1: referees that didn't like you, like truly didn't like you.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say it didn't like me, but there were
Speaker 1: certainly some officials I felt at times I had a bias.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say it didn't like I mean, that's a
Speaker 1: strong word. I felt like I could communicate with most officials.
Speaker 1: There were some officials that you just couldn't say anything too.
Speaker 1: It was a quick tea and you're kind of muted
Speaker 1: for the rest of the game. But I felt I've
Speaker 1: had a pretty good relationship with most officials, though I
Speaker 1: did talk a lot to them and complain a lot
Speaker 1: to them. It's how you go about it, and there's
Speaker 1: complaining work Redgi. No, it doesn't, but it sure made
Speaker 1: me feel better. No, it doesn't. It isn't a day. No,
Speaker 1: it doesn't. But what you're trying to do, and what
Speaker 1: I was trying to do, You're always trying to plant
Speaker 1: a little bit of seed because it's a close game
Speaker 1: and the game is in the balance. You want all
Speaker 1: that talking you did through three and a half quarters
Speaker 1: to matter in the last two minutes of a close game.
Speaker 1: That's probably the only reason why I talked so much,
Speaker 1: was trying to plant a seed. REGI will be on
Speaker 1: the call for the Eastern Conference Finals. Who do you
Speaker 1: expect to be in the Eastern Conference Finals? Wow? Last
Speaker 1: week we talked about this was going to be a
Speaker 1: sweep by Brooklyn. They were looking great, and I keep
Speaker 1: telling people it's great to have the best talent in
Speaker 1: the world. It's great to be well coached, but to
Speaker 1: win a championship, Theodore, You've got to have a lot
Speaker 1: of luck on your teams. You think about Kobe's and
Speaker 1: Shacks three peat with the Lakers. Do you think about
Speaker 1: MJ and Scottie and back to back three peats a
Speaker 1: lot of Were they talented, absolutely, were they well coached, absolutely,
Speaker 1: But you've got to have a lot of luck. Can
Speaker 1: you even remember when MJ even thought about this in
Speaker 1: the game because of an injury when he was I
Speaker 1: can't remember if he ever did this a game and
Speaker 1: it wasn't like he was just shooting jump shots. I
Speaker 1: mean he would driving punishing people and no twisted ankles,
Speaker 1: no knee issues. A lot of luck goes into winning championships.
Speaker 1: And we're the healthiest team is going to win this
Speaker 1: year's championship. Who's going to be standing at the end?
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's unfortunate. Injuries are a part of
Speaker 1: the game. You just don't want them at this time
Speaker 1: of the year, which we're seeing right now. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: hardened status. He's upgraded too, doubtful for tonight. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: not gonna play. Now it's on Kevin Durant and and
Speaker 1: he's had the benefit of these super teams recently. Now
Speaker 1: it's back to all right, Okay, let's see, let's see
Speaker 1: what you can do. Let's see go out there, let's
Speaker 1: see you win a big game. I will say this,
Speaker 1: if there's any one player who could deliver a huge
Speaker 1: game in a moment like this, it's Kevin Durant. And
Speaker 1: I will say this, role players play better at home.
Speaker 1: I expect Brooklyn and some of these guys that normally
Speaker 1: don't get the limelight because it's Kyrie or James Harden
Speaker 1: along with Katie, they'll shoot better, they'll play harder. That
Speaker 1: New York crowd will kind of energize them a little bit.
Speaker 1: It's you know, I'm not going out on a limb here.
Speaker 1: Who wins tonight? To me, wins the series between Milwaukee
Speaker 1: and Brooklyn. If I'm Brooklyn, all I'm saying is, look,
Speaker 1: let's just win our home games. We win our home games,
Speaker 1: we advance to the conference finals. But this is Milwaukee's
Speaker 1: best chance, This will maybe their only chance, because if
Speaker 1: it goes seven games, I can't see them winning. Back
Speaker 1: in Brooklyn. This is the chance for Milwaukee to win
Speaker 1: the series, They've got to win tonight. With two superstars
Speaker 1: down for the Nets and just Katie, it's got to
Speaker 1: be all our chips in the center of the table
Speaker 1: for Milwaukee, they they must win tonight to win this series.
Speaker 1: It's had a bigger game for Durant or a bigger
Speaker 1: game for the Greek Freak because he doesn't have any
Speaker 1: excuses here. I agree, I think there's built any excuses
Speaker 1: for Katie because he doesn't have Kyrie and Harden. But
Speaker 1: to be it's the only game tonight. All eyes will
Speaker 1: be on this matchup. And let's face it, Milwaukee has
Speaker 1: come up short the last two years. They've had the
Speaker 1: best record the last two years and they've fallen short.
Speaker 1: And Greek has not played up to MVP expectations by
Speaker 1: winning back to back MVPs come playoff. He has disappeared.
Speaker 1: He had a great Game four, but you're right, why
Speaker 1: has he taken those threes? What's that? Why is the
Speaker 1: Greek freak taking those threes? I have no idea and him,
Speaker 1: they're daring him, They're daring him, they're baiting him into it.
Speaker 1: But that's a recipe for your disaster. I just don't
Speaker 1: get it. I really don't get it. Yeah, Like I
Speaker 1: don't want him go into the hoop if I'm if
Speaker 1: I'm Brooklyn, I if you stay on the perimeter, that
Speaker 1: means you can't rebound and you're not a good shooter.
Speaker 1: So go ahead take those shots there. And here's the thing,
Speaker 1: it's not only the threes. I almost bait him into
Speaker 1: long twos too. If you're gonna settle, Yeah, if you're
Speaker 1: not gonna put pressure on Blake Griffin or any of
Speaker 1: our interior bigs, I'll settle for that. I'll win. That's
Speaker 1: a win if you're Steve Nash and Brooklyn. He's Reggie Miller,
Speaker 1: the Hall of Famer Turner Sports NBA analyst. He'll be
Speaker 1: on the call for the Eastern Conference finals. Chris Paul
Speaker 1: getting a lot of love after the sweep. And I'm
Speaker 1: just talking your buddy Mark Jackson yesterday on where's Chris
Speaker 1: Paul on the all time point guard list? And he
Speaker 1: had Chris Paul up there pretty high. Um. I like Chris,
Speaker 1: but is it asking too much that he hasn't won?
Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about an NBA title. I mean
Speaker 1: he hadn't even had an appearance there, but like getting
Speaker 1: to the Western Conference finals, I don't know. This is
Speaker 1: this will be his second appearance in the Western Conference
Speaker 1: Finals throughout his thirteen or fourteen year career, and he's
Speaker 1: played on good team he played. If Chris ends up
Speaker 1: winning a championship, not this year or any year, in
Speaker 1: my opinion, he moves into the top five right now.
Speaker 1: He's not in my top five, top seven, eight right now. Okay,
Speaker 1: so it's magic magic Isaiah step We're considering step a
Speaker 1: point guard, step Stockton, maybe Jay Kidd Okay, that would
Speaker 1: probably be my that would probably be my five. Now
Speaker 1: he wins a championship, I think he would bump Stockton
Speaker 1: out of my top five. Wow, if he was to
Speaker 1: win a championship. If he doesn't win a championship, he
Speaker 1: would probably be six or seven. He still got Oscar
Speaker 1: out there. You still have Gary Payton out there, Jerry
Speaker 1: West as he considered a point guard, he's in that mix,
Speaker 1: and that maybe it's a shooting guard. But I mean
Speaker 1: people are gonna say that about step as well. But
Speaker 1: Steph is classified as a point guard. Yeah, but he's
Speaker 1: totally Alan Iverson's shooting guard. Now he's a point guard.
Speaker 1: Are we putting Ai as a point guard or a
Speaker 1: shooting guard. Now, he's a point guard, he's a score,
Speaker 1: he's not a shooting guard. I think Eric Snow was
Speaker 1: the point guard on that team. Okay, okay, what is Lebron?
Speaker 1: He's a point guard? Yes he is? So is he
Speaker 1: the greatest point guard of all time? No one will
Speaker 1: ever trump Maggie Johnson as the best point guard ever. Well, well,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, we got Lebron is the second best
Speaker 1: player of all time. Reg So he's the second best
Speaker 1: player of all time. But he's not the best point guard. No,
Speaker 1: he's not the best point I just boxed you in
Speaker 1: a cot I just I'm Scottie Pippen. I'm picking you
Speaker 1: up full cord ye to get around you. Because Lebron's
Speaker 1: a point guard. He's a point forward, so is Scottie.
Speaker 1: Scottie Pippen was a point forward. So who are you taking,
Speaker 1: Scottie or Lebron? Lebron? Yeah? But all right, So Lebron's
Speaker 1: the second best point guard of all time, Yes he is.
Speaker 1: I guess you gotta put Lebron as he's gonna end
Speaker 1: up top five in his sists. I'm moving the kid
Speaker 1: step Isaiah Step no order magic Isaiah step. Those three
Speaker 1: are guaranteed. Those three are guaranteed. There's two spots that
Speaker 1: will always be up for debate. All right, if you
Speaker 1: couldn't play with magic, let me take magic out of this.
Speaker 1: The point guard you would want to play with? Current
Speaker 1: or pass? Either Isaiah or Jason Kidd for my skill set,
Speaker 1: for my skill set, one of those two. But did
Speaker 1: you hate Isaiah oh Man Conness, Well, it's that Central
Speaker 1: Division couldn't stand him, just like in Jay Okay, he
Speaker 1: would be smiling all your face, acting like your brand
Speaker 1: and stuff, taking the biggest chief shot ever and one
Speaker 1: of the toughest point guards. I love me some Zeke
Speaker 1: former coach coach me. Yeah, but sneaky, nasty, sneaky sneaky.
Speaker 1: Does he know people don't like him? I don't think
Speaker 1: he cares, really, I don't think he like Bill ain
Speaker 1: Beer didn't care Isaiah, I think cared. Remember the whole
Speaker 1: thing with you know what they were gonna freeze out
Speaker 1: Jordan and like that bothered Isaiah. Well they weren't. It
Speaker 1: wasn't wrong, it was true. Did you so you knew?
Speaker 1: Were you? I was not at all? But rumors what
Speaker 1: would you have frozen out Jordan, No, if you were
Speaker 1: on on if Isaiah said we're not gonna throw in
Speaker 1: the ball, I don't know how you can freeze out.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you can freeze know, you just
Speaker 1: act like he's not open. Come on, man, Do you
Speaker 1: think it's true though, that he froze out Mike? Um,
Speaker 1: I think there was a little friendly animal, Yes, I do.
Speaker 1: I don't think it was friendly. I don't think it
Speaker 1: was friendly. Judging from the last dance, it's not friendly.
Speaker 1: That's not friendly at all, certainly from Michael's perspective. I'll
Speaker 1: roll it with Zeke z if. I said, you could
Speaker 1: have Zeke or Mike from my skills that like to
Speaker 1: play with. Yeah, I'm not rolling with out of one
Speaker 1: of them. Look, I got built I got built up
Speaker 1: issues with Okay, I can't roll with either. How about
Speaker 1: Steve Nash. You can play with Steven. I could play
Speaker 1: with Steve. Yeah, that's it. Though Steve Nash is the
Speaker 1: top eight, right, He's got to be in that category,
Speaker 1: certainly top ten. The amazing thing is the Phoenix Suns
Speaker 1: had Jay Kidd, Kevin Johnson, and Steve Nash at the
Speaker 1: same time. Yes, Wow. I mean wow, And kJ was
Speaker 1: the starter, right, so the backup those are the Hall
Speaker 1: of famers with Jay Kidd and Steve Nash. I don't
Speaker 1: think Kj's a Hall of famers, no, But for those
Speaker 1: of you who have never seen Kevin Johnson, I mean
Speaker 1: that's who those two dudes learned from. Was Kevin Johnson. Yeah,
Speaker 1: one of the best pick and roll players maybe ever,
Speaker 1: maybe ever? He was athletic, man, Oh he was good.
Speaker 1: He was Oh by the way, he and I we
Speaker 1: go back to our robbery between UCLA and cal so
Speaker 1: we were the same draft. Look. I've had a lot
Speaker 1: of times seeing Kevin Johnson. So I got you playing
Speaker 1: eighty games or more in a season ten times? Durant,
Speaker 1: Harden and Kyrie have played eighty or more games in
Speaker 1: a season seven times combined. Would you would you have
Speaker 1: load management now? Though you have to know, I mean
Speaker 1: that's Mike, but travels better, nutrition is better, like everything
Speaker 1: is better now. It could have helped Nash with his back,
Speaker 1: could have helped Larry Bird maybe with load management there, Um,
Speaker 1: does it make sense to play eighty games in a
Speaker 1: season if you love the game, Yeah, I mean I
Speaker 1: love the game. I loved playing I loved performing. Looking
Speaker 1: back on my career and someone told me the stat
Speaker 1: I played in ninety six percent of my games. I
Speaker 1: played over thirteen hundred games. There's something about lacing them
Speaker 1: up each and every day now that I look back.
Speaker 1: Could I have taken a game or two off, certainly,
Speaker 1: But I always felt there was some fan kid, mom,
Speaker 1: dad that was saving up their piggy bank to come
Speaker 1: watch the Indiana Pacers play, either at home or on
Speaker 1: the road. And they heard about this guy named Ragie
Speaker 1: Miller who talked a lot of trash and shot thirty
Speaker 1: five forty footers. This was gonna be their one opportunity
Speaker 1: to see. I didn't know who they were, but I
Speaker 1: felt it was an obligation to play. That's was my
Speaker 1: mentality of playing. Nobody thinks that now stopping money, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, but I think that you know that you're
Speaker 1: going to be able to get into another contract if
Speaker 1: you limit your your games, you get ready for the postseason,
Speaker 1: and like you know, Kauai, that need is going to
Speaker 1: be an issue. I don't know how serious that knee is.
Speaker 1: If it's just arthritic and it's going to be there,
Speaker 1: you know, the rest of his life. But he might
Speaker 1: be playing himself into one more contract because of load
Speaker 1: management here, and I understand it. I don't like it,
Speaker 1: but I do understand where this is a business. Everybody's
Speaker 1: expendable and these athletes are trying to stay as long
Speaker 1: as they can, and you've got to maximize what your
Speaker 1: body will deliver. And I get it, and I understand it.
Speaker 1: These are billionaires talking to millionaires, and I totally get it.
Speaker 1: I get it because you only have one body, you
Speaker 1: only have one career, and you only have a certain
Speaker 1: window to make as much money as you can. And
Speaker 1: that's why you see certain guys take off during the
Speaker 1: regular season. But to me, it's kind of catching up
Speaker 1: to them who come playoff time because their body is
Speaker 1: not east to all the pounding come playoff time and
Speaker 1: just being in shape. Reg will be on the call
Speaker 1: for the Eastern Conference Finals. Great to talk to you again. Reg.
Speaker 1: We'll talk to you soon. You know you're the best.
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