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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This he's Talking Cowboys
Speaker 1: screaming live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the
Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brons, Rob Phillips,
Speaker 1: and Bill Jones. Oh what a beautiful Wednesday it is
Speaker 1: here at the Star in Frisco. Great day to be
Speaker 1: outside and practice some football. So we get you started
Speaker 1: on officially on Eagles Week this week as the Road
Speaker 1: to the super Bowl continues here on Talking Cowboys. You
Speaker 1: like that you're giving it positive TV guy to day.
Speaker 1: You obviously have him listening to the fans. I'm not no,
Speaker 1: I'm keeping it positive. The road to super Bowl fifty
Speaker 1: four continues on this Wednesday, October sixteenth. Is that right?
Speaker 1: I believe that right. Sometimes it's good to stay out
Speaker 1: of those Twitter mentions. You know, you can stay way
Speaker 1: more optimistic. Jason Witton advised us on that last year
Speaker 1: as he went into the short stint in the media.
Speaker 1: I assume he's staying out of the Twitter mentions this
Speaker 1: year as well, especially this week as well. But let's
Speaker 1: kick things up by talking about what Jason Garrett just
Speaker 1: talked about and the press conference that was just completed.
Speaker 1: Here the news since we last were seated together here
Speaker 1: breaking at Tyrone Crawford is done for the season. He's
Speaker 1: having season ending hip surgery. And we had seen it.
Speaker 1: We had talked about it here on the show, how
Speaker 1: he had struggled trying to get through it throughout the
Speaker 1: first six weeks of this season. But it just came
Speaker 1: to a head, didn't it, Mickey, This was going to
Speaker 1: be the eventual resort. He knew it. He tried to
Speaker 1: play through it, but all along, I think he was
Speaker 1: resigned to knowing that no matter how much rehab he did,
Speaker 1: no matter how much training, whatever, treatment, that the end
Speaker 1: result was going to be surgery at some point. And
Speaker 1: I think it got to the point where they were
Speaker 1: getting diminishing returns with him on the field, and I
Speaker 1: think he just decided, eight years in the league, I
Speaker 1: gotta go do this. And now you know he's got
Speaker 1: one year left on his contract. That's a great, great
Speaker 1: mentioned there, Mickey, But this could be this could be
Speaker 1: career ending. I think this is he turns thirty next month,
Speaker 1: November twelve, right, and has that one year. I believe
Speaker 1: at eight million dollars next year, and most of the
Speaker 1: pro ration of his bonuses is gone next year. I
Speaker 1: think maybe a million left from a reconstruction. So yeah,
Speaker 1: this is other than that. I mean, if he is
Speaker 1: healthy enough he can come play, they can they can
Speaker 1: manage through that. Yeah. From a financial standpoint, did where
Speaker 1: he can make a return, the question will be can't
Speaker 1: he come back from Yeah. And then the other thing
Speaker 1: is from a salary cap standpoint, you go on, ir
Speaker 1: that ten million dollars that he counts against the Caps
Speaker 1: still counts, ye, So yeah, that's that hurts. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: tough for a guy that has played through so much here,
Speaker 1: shoulder injuries, different things, and he's he's found. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think he's said an example for guys in the
Speaker 1: locker room about trying, you know, playing tough, and I
Speaker 1: think forty two snaps the last two games. Mickey said
Speaker 1: diminishing returns, that he just tried to give him something,
Speaker 1: and talking to him a couple of weeks ago, you
Speaker 1: could sense the frustration of I'm gonna try to manage this,
Speaker 1: but I'm going to be in pain all year long.
Speaker 1: That's what he said, and ultimately I think you know,
Speaker 1: this was something they had to do to get him
Speaker 1: right and try to get him back next year. Well,
Speaker 1: it also gives him an opportunity to look at, you know,
Speaker 1: Tristan Hill, you know, and then coach mentioned about you know,
Speaker 1: signing a player today as well to take Crawford's place,
Speaker 1: which I need to get on. And Justin Hamilton, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Justin Hamilton was with Kansas City, I believe, and uh
Speaker 1: so I need to see in the preseason what Justin
Speaker 1: Hamilton brings to this. So they worked him out a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. But it gives Tristan Hill an
Speaker 1: opportunity to, you know, to step up and hopefully show
Speaker 1: some things that he hasn't shown so far. You know
Speaker 1: that that you know, maybe some of the work that
Speaker 1: he's been able to do at practice and you know,
Speaker 1: the effort and all that's there. I don't know if
Speaker 1: the techniques really there. I don't know if the strength's
Speaker 1: really there. But they need him to play some meaningful snaps.
Speaker 1: Now it's not hey get in there and get washed
Speaker 1: the five plays you're in there, the series you're in
Speaker 1: there and be a liability. They need him to step
Speaker 1: up and make play. So I like what Mickey said
Speaker 1: about the about about Crawford and potentially this could be
Speaker 1: it for him with the Cowboys, and you know, because
Speaker 1: you have to think about going forward. You know, they
Speaker 1: they haven't signed anybody yet, you know, as far as
Speaker 1: the quarterback and the wide receiver and stuff. So every
Speaker 1: every dollar you can have they can go towards that.
Speaker 1: Maybe to the next season. Uh could very well be
Speaker 1: the difference if you can get contracts done. So you know,
Speaker 1: that's something that that was a point out, was pointed
Speaker 1: out very well by me. But for this year, I
Speaker 1: don't know if we've talked enough about not having him
Speaker 1: and impacting this defense. You know what what what a
Speaker 1: healthy Crawford could do for this group right now and
Speaker 1: what they had to tackle, it could absolutely and even
Speaker 1: at even if he plays some in for you yea
Speaker 1: in the run, protecting some of the edges. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know, I know Quinn has done a nice job
Speaker 1: playing fifty something snaps. But I don't know if if
Speaker 1: that's been mentioned enough by us or anybody, that not
Speaker 1: having him has impacted just that overall versatility inside. I
Speaker 1: know people talk about his contract and all that, but
Speaker 1: when he's healthy he's a very underrated piece to what
Speaker 1: they do upfront. And he's been a player that's dealt
Speaker 1: with injury a lot, hasn't he Yes, I mean a kill. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's when he thought he did it again. Remember then
Speaker 1: it was was it his knee or his foot or
Speaker 1: something that say in training camp when he was screaming yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, his versatility is so important. You have one
Speaker 1: guy that can play two positions when you're only keeping
Speaker 1: eight defensive linemen up Now, we've been told that Joe
Speaker 1: Jackson can do it. But okay, he's he's been placed
Speaker 1: in that situation. But I haven't seen any production yet
Speaker 1: carry Hider or the same thing, and we haven't seen
Speaker 1: the production yet. And Brian's right about about Tristan Hill.
Speaker 1: You gotta get him going, got to get him in there.
Speaker 1: He's got to be productive and he's going to get
Speaker 1: an opportunity now because this guy they just signed is
Speaker 1: basically a nice body. But he's been on practice squads.
Speaker 1: I think I saw where he's He's played eight games
Speaker 1: in the league over since twenty fifteen, So think about it,
Speaker 1: that's four years he's been in the league and he
Speaker 1: wasn't with anybody this year and most of his time
Speaker 1: has been on practice squads. So again, and you know
Speaker 1: they're looking for a cheap addition. Everybody's like, well, who
Speaker 1: are they going to trade for? Well, that's where I
Speaker 1: was going about your second round pick stepping in. Just
Speaker 1: don't give up those let's trade for the second round pick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean this is second round pick. Why are you
Speaker 1: drafting it? Well? And kind of it kind of makes
Speaker 1: you scratch your head a little bit about what's the
Speaker 1: situation with Daniel Wise? You know, that's with him being
Speaker 1: on the practice squad and we talked about the versatility
Speaker 1: you know that Daniel Wise is. I think he's a
Speaker 1: better end than he is a tackle, but they felt
Speaker 1: more about going to get somebody else than bringing Daniel
Speaker 1: Wise up. You know. So that's kind of one of
Speaker 1: those situations where you go, well, you know, maybe Daniel
Speaker 1: Wise wasn't ready. He is he better prepared than what
Speaker 1: we've seen from Tristan Hill, you know. I mean there's
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things going through my head about that,
Speaker 1: because usually that that practice squad guy would get the
Speaker 1: elevation and then like okay, because we know what he
Speaker 1: can do, they went out completely off the reservation and
Speaker 1: when it got a guy, uh, instead of maybe elevating
Speaker 1: a guy that they kind of knew about from you know,
Speaker 1: thirty practices in Oxnard preseason games in six weeks of
Speaker 1: being on the practice squad here. So what does that
Speaker 1: tell you? I know, that's that's what I'm trying to
Speaker 1: figure out. And yeah, yeah, I can't feel too good
Speaker 1: about that. And you know, if you're Daniel Wise, you're
Speaker 1: probably saying, if I have an opportunity to leave, I'm gone.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not. You know, if they're going to
Speaker 1: bring people up off the street, off the street to replace,
Speaker 1: you know, replace roster spots, then you know he might
Speaker 1: he might be looking elsewhere if he gets that opportunity.
Speaker 1: Can't say I've watched a lot of Justin Hamilton tape.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I got into that, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But just looking at his measurables, He's three hundred and
Speaker 1: fifteen pounds, so a big body that they're thinking maybe
Speaker 1: they can show up some snaps in the middle on
Speaker 1: game day if he's active. I mean, that's you know,
Speaker 1: more of that, you know, And that's one of the
Speaker 1: things about Crawford playing inside he's trying to do that
Speaker 1: at two hundred and seventy pounds, by the way, and
Speaker 1: they had him play in some one technique for times too,
Speaker 1: so that's hard at two hundred and seventy pounds. The
Speaker 1: other thing, I see what people are asking, like, well,
Speaker 1: why didn't they have the surgery earlier. Well, even if
Speaker 1: they had done it earlier, the hip surgery he needed,
Speaker 1: he was going to be out for the year that
Speaker 1: he was not coming back this year, so the best
Speaker 1: and plus, I think when we talk about surgery sometimes
Speaker 1: we talk about it cavalierly, like, oh, just go have surgery.
Speaker 1: This is surgery. You think about that in your own life,
Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, I'm trying. I'm trying to avoid it, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: and you just don't go do it. It's like, okay,
Speaker 1: let you know, let's go do surgery. You try to
Speaker 1: do everything to prevent surgery, and then when you have
Speaker 1: to do it, then you go do it. And it's
Speaker 1: got to the point where you had to do it.
Speaker 1: But had they done the surgery and March or April,
Speaker 1: he was going to be done for this year. This
Speaker 1: wasn't This wasn't Byron Jones surgery. Well that's Where I
Speaker 1: was going though, is that they people asked why that
Speaker 1: was late in the offseason. That was the last resort.
Speaker 1: They tried to rest him and rehab him and it
Speaker 1: didn't get better, and so that's why they did it
Speaker 1: mid offseason or whatever I was asking, is this the opposite?
Speaker 1: Didn't he have hip problems? You know, he's talked about
Speaker 1: being Brasidas and stuff like that, but it didn't he
Speaker 1: have surgery on No, he did not. I asked him,
Speaker 1: he didn't have surgery. Oh he did not. So they
Speaker 1: just rested. They rested. Reacting Okay, well, did that makes sense?
Speaker 1: I'm siou to thinking what were we dealing with that
Speaker 1: in the during training camp? They just tried to manage
Speaker 1: it and yeah, and it didn't work. And it also
Speaker 1: had the glute thing going by the way, and I
Speaker 1: don't know if that was in relation to the hip
Speaker 1: causing that, but he had a pain in the you
Speaker 1: know what? Yeah, you know. And just comparing justin Hamilton
Speaker 1: versus Daniel Wise, that decision if there was one there,
Speaker 1: As Rob mentioned, three hundred and fifteen pound guy Hamilton,
Speaker 1: he's more of a D tackle, He's not a d N.
Speaker 1: Daniel Wise gives you, it's more like Crawford and that's
Speaker 1: two hundred and eighty pounds basically point by Brian both
Speaker 1: yea lined up at both now. But but another difference
Speaker 1: though is Wise. Obviously it is a rookie college free
Speaker 1: agent out of Kansas. Hamilton was a college free agent
Speaker 1: a Louisiana Lafayette. But he's got four years experience, even
Speaker 1: if it is just on a practice squad. Played in
Speaker 1: four games for the Chiefs last year, so he has
Speaker 1: been on an NFL field in a regular season game.
Speaker 1: So maybe just the fact that maybe they feel like
Speaker 1: they got too many young guys. If you if you
Speaker 1: throw Wise and Hill and all those guys out there,
Speaker 1: I mean Jackson, Yeah, maybe maybe you're in a situation.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, we're way too young to have to
Speaker 1: deal with all that. Armstrong is not exactly a salty veteran. No,
Speaker 1: not either. Yeah, and then what are we hearing on Armstrong?
Speaker 1: It sounded like maybe later in the week with the
Speaker 1: practicing today. Yeah, but he's a stinger, and so he's
Speaker 1: got a lot of guys not practicing today. Yeah about it.
Speaker 1: Every mound like everybody that every day finished the game
Speaker 1: or start the game. Last week. It's not practicing today. Ye,
Speaker 1: so that Yeah, that's encouraging. That's a sarcasm button right there.
Speaker 1: I'll hit it with him. Yeah, that's yeah, that's in
Speaker 1: your corner situation too. I mean receivers they've got, you know,
Speaker 1: they've got guys that filled in in the game. But
Speaker 1: if you're down two corners in this game against some
Speaker 1: of the weapons the Eagles have, yeah that's it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a tough, tough going. But you know they have
Speaker 1: the corners too, so it'll be equal. Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1: But I'm just pointed too. If that's Shawn Jackson gets
Speaker 1: back for Philly this week, I mean it's it's always
Speaker 1: a challenge going up against these guys. But Mills and
Speaker 1: Derby are expected to practice this week, but they doesn't
Speaker 1: mean they're gonna play. They've been out for a while
Speaker 1: and Yells hadn't played since last year. You have to
Speaker 1: worry about the conditioning there with that, for sure with them.
Speaker 1: The thing with the Cowboys though, if I remember correctly, though,
Speaker 1: the way they could kind of get around some things
Speaker 1: that they had to was that that uh that Xavier Woods,
Speaker 1: if I'm not wrong, his rookie year played slide corner.
Speaker 1: Am I right about that? By the end of the year.
Speaker 1: The end of the year is so yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: know they really want to do that, but you know, unfortunately,
Speaker 1: could I just I just make everybody get sick of
Speaker 1: the no no, no audible side was from Mickey's side.
Speaker 1: That's what they did on first and ten at the
Speaker 1: eight yard line. They brought Woods down onto the line
Speaker 1: of scrimmage play in the slot, yeah, which left Jeff
Speaker 1: Heath no question, single safety high, no question. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: exactly right. That's the you know, the upside and the downside,
Speaker 1: downside for sure what you're getting at there. If they
Speaker 1: had a role in that type of role for Woods
Speaker 1: and Darry and Thompson, that safety. Yeah. And as far
Speaker 1: as yeah, I mean to me, it's it's Jordan Lewis obviously, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis. I mean to me, I just kind of
Speaker 1: feel like though that if they had to, if they
Speaker 1: had to, Mickey's right, the guy I mean, he did play.
Speaker 1: He was playing down, which is unfortunate because he's better
Speaker 1: playing back. But I just remember him playing his rookie
Speaker 1: year playing slot corner, you know, And I'm just thinking
Speaker 1: there's no way in hell he can do this, and
Speaker 1: he did it, and he did it pretty well. So
Speaker 1: it was after that San Diego debacle on Thanksgiving Day,
Speaker 1: when you know, when they couldn't cover anybody and they were,
Speaker 1: you know, making all kinds of plays. The next week
Speaker 1: they started twitching their corners and safeties around and things
Speaker 1: seemed to kind of get better. Yeah, you think things
Speaker 1: are going bad, now, think back to after that San
Speaker 1: Diego debacle Thanksgiving Day and where this team was at
Speaker 1: that point in that season. Yeah. Yeah, So at this point,
Speaker 1: say neither one of those corners can play, you would
Speaker 1: start at Woozier and Lewis, and then when you went
Speaker 1: to Nickel, maybe you bring Woods in to play in
Speaker 1: the slot instead of moving Lewis inside and good And
Speaker 1: this is this is where, yeah, Nicky, this is where
Speaker 1: I'm kind of thinking that we might see another I mean,
Speaker 1: who is Okay, tell me who your fifty third player is.
Speaker 1: I'm just throwing it out there. If you have a
Speaker 1: fifty third player in mind, tell me who it is. Well,
Speaker 1: it was Brandon Knight. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Sorry, But but
Speaker 1: they were Mickey, they weren't gonna get rid of Brandon
Speaker 1: Knight right his mind's mind, Now, fifty third has to
Speaker 1: be Devin Smith. No, Devin Smith may end up starting.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, he's been acting in active the
Speaker 1: last two games, but they could use him, especially if
Speaker 1: you with Indoor Randall Cobbin. The only reason Wilson was
Speaker 1: up was because he could do the slot right, no question,
Speaker 1: that's exactly That's why they started him, and he could
Speaker 1: do special teams along with Bryant. To me, Devin Smith's
Speaker 1: your other starter. Okay, that's right, fair point. Are you
Speaker 1: thinking a practice squad? I'm thinking how do you get
Speaker 1: Donovan a Lumba up? You know, That's what I'm trying
Speaker 1: to think. Because if you're if you're such a bind
Speaker 1: where you're talking about playing safeties in the slots, and
Speaker 1: we're kind of worried about the Eagles getting back Jackson
Speaker 1: and and you know what and what they had with
Speaker 1: all Sean Jeffrey, and then well Goodwin has to be
Speaker 1: your guy. Then yeah, your an other corner. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: Woods you can get creative a little bit because you
Speaker 1: do have some safety flex but yeah, it's it's not
Speaker 1: ideal question. Nobody, nobody, nobody's thinking about a Lumba at all.
Speaker 1: I mean I'm watching or Mike Mike Jackson, right, Mike
Speaker 1: Jackson's another one. Yeah, So who would you trust there
Speaker 1: if you had to play with Okay, just from training
Speaker 1: camp in preseason games, who would you trust more to
Speaker 1: play if they had to play in a game. And
Speaker 1: this is a terrible question, but would you trust Mike
Speaker 1: Jackson or Donovan Alumba in if you had to play
Speaker 1: a game? Probably a Lumba because he's got a little
Speaker 1: more experience. I think I would go with Jackson. I
Speaker 1: think I'm going to Jackson, man, I think I'd go
Speaker 1: with a Lumba. You're I know, I knew you would
Speaker 1: go a Lumba, which made there's no right answer here.
Speaker 1: That's I'm saying you've got four people that kind of
Speaker 1: feel like that that that okay to this to that
Speaker 1: and and there's really not a great answer. Or it's
Speaker 1: something where like we talk about sucking win through your
Speaker 1: teeth when you're like Donovan a Lumba, you know, Michael Jackson,
Speaker 1: you know you're just kind of that well, which one
Speaker 1: of those two can help you more on special teams?
Speaker 1: And the answer would be Jackson, right, Jackson would probably
Speaker 1: help you more there. Yeah, but if you have I
Speaker 1: mean Jackson also played some safety in camp. If I'm
Speaker 1: not mistaken, that's true too, a little more fun he
Speaker 1: played in the slot also. Yeah. See that's the thing too.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, that you're right. It's a good point, Mickey.
Speaker 1: I think that I think Richard would go with I
Speaker 1: think his guy, he would go with a lumba just
Speaker 1: because he has confidence that he could go out there
Speaker 1: and make play. Yeah, I agree with you. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: he might get three defensive holding penalties along the way.
Speaker 1: He made some play, and he'll get beat deep too.
Speaker 1: He can't. He is not gonna run well, there's no
Speaker 1: question about that. It may not come to that. It
Speaker 1: may not come to that. Oh you're but if they
Speaker 1: were helpful those corners Old Mara firing can get back.
Speaker 1: Didn't sound like Anthony Brown was. No, I don't think
Speaker 1: Anthy Brown play. I think has done. La Collins is
Speaker 1: done for this week. Yeah, for they're thinking Byron will
Speaker 1: I think he's got a chance. I think I agree
Speaker 1: with nik. I think a B doesn't happen. No, I
Speaker 1: think Abe's out. I think I think Byron Jones is
Speaker 1: the one guy that's got a chance. We'll see there's
Speaker 1: a chance. Did you tell me there's a chance. Why
Speaker 1: are you losing games? I don't understand? All right, And
Speaker 1: we haven't talked about the offense. Yeah, all right, we
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Speaker 1: traveled to New England the Super Bowl? Right might be right,
Speaker 1: It might be ducking tomatoes. M'd see some quickness out
Speaker 1: of me at that time. The way we're talking about
Speaker 1: all these injuries, I just I threw out the question
Speaker 1: to Jason, is Mickey's got Noah Brown any closer to
Speaker 1: getting back? And apparently not not yet. He's still on pup.
Speaker 1: He's eligible to practice, but they haven't started that clock yet, well,
Speaker 1: just asking because they got some receivers. No, No, it's
Speaker 1: a good it's a good it's a good question. But
Speaker 1: the problem is is once you start the clock, then
Speaker 1: you got two weeks and then you got to start
Speaker 1: making decisions. I know, but could you Are you in
Speaker 1: a spot where maybe you needed to start that clock?
Speaker 1: Why receiver? But apparently not so anyway, Sorry, Bill, but
Speaker 1: it was a good question. No, but again you would
Speaker 1: have to cut somebody. Yeah, you got if if one
Speaker 1: of those wide receivers was done for the year, then
Speaker 1: absolutely right. Yeah, just give it a couple of weeks
Speaker 1: and yeah, you get to buy coming up. But this
Speaker 1: is a big what happened to your optimism? Super Bowl? Gosh,
Speaker 1: I'm a big Noah Brown fan. What do you mean? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Super Bowl? Bill? Um? Yeah, thing goes down the toilet.
Speaker 1: That would be by Nick Nay the rest of the year,
Speaker 1: bull Bill, yep, yep? House gaged the city? Do it never?
Speaker 1: Super Bowl team? Yeah, hanging in there there the rams
Speaker 1: of the NFC championship game hanging in a super Bowl Bill,
Speaker 1: aren't you? And now and now they don't have first
Speaker 1: round picks next year? Raft? All right, how about that
Speaker 1: before we get into the Eagles. Jalen Ramsey is a
Speaker 1: ram Do you think of those round picks? Yeah, two
Speaker 1: first round picks in a fourth form, and they traded
Speaker 1: away Marcus Peters, who was probably gonna be a problem anyway. Well,
Speaker 1: they should have known that. And from the beginning, right,
Speaker 1: that's why he's available, you know. Uh, Well, they got
Speaker 1: an NFC championship or they got a trip to the
Speaker 1: super Bowl out of him. Yeah. I know that GM
Speaker 1: out there in Los Angeles pretty well. And his attitude
Speaker 1: has always been he's like he feels like he's always
Speaker 1: coaching year to year or being a GM year to year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, he worried about the next year. Somebody else's
Speaker 1: somebody else's problem. He you know, I remember talking to
Speaker 1: him Less Sneat and I go, I call him LS.
Speaker 1: How's it going. He goes, Oh, man, I'm out of here.
Speaker 1: They're bringing Gruden in here. I'm done. They're gonna get
Speaker 1: rid of me, you know. And then he gets an extension,
Speaker 1: you know, and if they find a coach and all that,
Speaker 1: but Less is always uh I keep saying, coach Less
Speaker 1: has always been a GM. That that really he says,
Speaker 1: you know, what, I'm just gonna try and go for
Speaker 1: it every year, he goes, I don't. I just don't
Speaker 1: know how long I'm gonna get to do this. And
Speaker 1: you know, if you make a bunch of mistakes, don't
Speaker 1: get ridy anyway. But if you're building a good team.
Speaker 1: The biggest problem he's having is with his offensive line.
Speaker 1: I mean that you talk about problems on you knows,
Speaker 1: and it's hard to believe that after we saw them
Speaker 1: play in the NFC divisional game that there would be
Speaker 1: any problem. But they just don't protect that guy because
Speaker 1: everybody's talking about his numbers dropping. Yeah yeah, and it's so,
Speaker 1: But does that matter? Doesn't he have to put the
Speaker 1: team on his back golf? Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's that's
Speaker 1: that's been a problem there. But but that But but
Speaker 1: to him, he doesn't care. He he looks at this
Speaker 1: as a year to year job. And if I give
Speaker 1: up picks to try and help my team now, then
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just and then they fire me. That's somebody
Speaker 1: else's problem, that's not my problem. Sounds like a panic move. Well, Harry, Well,
Speaker 1: the other thing that you've got out there is they're
Speaker 1: going into new stadium next year. And that market. Even
Speaker 1: though it is a new stadium. You think people would
Speaker 1: butts would be in seats with the new stadium and everything.
Speaker 1: But and I guarantee you it's very pricey. They need
Speaker 1: to have a big year again this year just to
Speaker 1: keep the momentum going as they move into the new
Speaker 1: stadium next year. Mickey just brought up something. Can I
Speaker 1: ask a question? Absolutely, would you thought that trading for
Speaker 1: a Marii Cooper was a panic move? No? I thought
Speaker 1: it was a necessity. Yeah, I mean when we when
Speaker 1: we A lot of people though thought it was. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's not wrong because because receiver by committee was a
Speaker 1: terrible idea, they were going down to drain with Yeah, continued,
Speaker 1: but it was it do think that people, I think
Speaker 1: it's a panic. If you define panic is trying to
Speaker 1: salvage your season. No, no, no, no, no, no, no
Speaker 1: panic It okay, but I don't know the best way.
Speaker 1: But but but I don't call it panic because it's
Speaker 1: worked out, so describe it. It was a long term
Speaker 1: move though. But this Ramsey thing, they're going to resign him, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know that he holds out after him this year? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, maybe good luck I'm just saying, you don't
Speaker 1: give up what you gave up without resigning him, Well,
Speaker 1: you better bring the Brinks truck. Then he showed up
Speaker 1: in the Brinks truck there, did you know? It's funny
Speaker 1: that you kind of think, well, you know, and I
Speaker 1: don't think you're wrong, Mickey. Maybe it looks like a
Speaker 1: panic move, but maybe it's I would have thought that
Speaker 1: trying to go get an offensive lineman was a better
Speaker 1: thing to go and try and help your team in defense.
Speaker 1: They did that, yeah, and that it was a bust.
Speaker 1: I haven't. I mean, I have watched a little Rams tape,
Speaker 1: you know, when I watched the Seattle game. They've had
Speaker 1: some problems in the secondary. Maybe that's maybe that's what
Speaker 1: they felt like they had to do. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I kind of just thinking
Speaker 1: about the Cowboys situation, and but I think Mickey's right.
Speaker 1: I think it's something they had to do. They've had
Speaker 1: to go get a receiver. I mean, could could I mean,
Speaker 1: if the Rams needed to make a move, could they
Speaker 1: have given them up one first to get Trent Williams.
Speaker 1: If that thing's not going to resolve, see that he is,
Speaker 1: he too old to give up a first four Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know what they're trying to salvage
Speaker 1: this season. The Rams are and with the look ahead
Speaker 1: to the next three seasons, obviously, but what was they
Speaker 1: gave a problem? The probably gave up. They gave up
Speaker 1: fifty five points to Jameis Winston and Tampa Bay. That's
Speaker 1: a good point. That is a really good point. In
Speaker 1: the next week through four interceptions, right, and then they
Speaker 1: used to Seattle and gets grounded, yeah, or benched, whatever
Speaker 1: you want to call bad. I was like, all right,
Speaker 1: so now with the Mari Cooper's injury and what are
Speaker 1: we thinking for him on Sunday against the Eagles? And
Speaker 1: are the Cowboys back to receiver by committee? By the way, Yeah,
Speaker 1: just let you know, Trent Williams is thirty one years old.
Speaker 1: It's an offensive lineman. Yeah, have a couple of years left,
Speaker 1: four or five good years maybe, but yeah, I think
Speaker 1: you know, there are the Cowboys back to square one
Speaker 1: at receiver where they were a year ago at this
Speaker 1: time if they don't have Cooper against the Eagles, who,
Speaker 1: by the way, against the Eagles at AT and T
Speaker 1: Stadium had the game winning touchdown last year, he made
Speaker 1: several greats. Sorry I was talking no Cooper and no
Speaker 1: Cob Yeah, yeah, just what you were last week against
Speaker 1: the Jets. The problem I had is that was inexcusable
Speaker 1: to lose that game without I'm sure, I'm sure leading
Speaker 1: for Michael Gallop, you know, as one A and one
Speaker 1: A needs to play like one not not not not
Speaker 1: three D. He's gonna have a big game if they
Speaker 1: actually what what he what he needs to remember is
Speaker 1: not putting pressure on himself that yeah, I got to
Speaker 1: be the guy, you know what. That's the thing people
Speaker 1: talk about. People talk and there's a narrative out there
Speaker 1: that the coaches don't have the players ready to play.
Speaker 1: It may be they're too ready to play. It's like
Speaker 1: they're they press in certain situations, you know. And I
Speaker 1: think he did. Now the passes were tad high, but
Speaker 1: he's got to catch them. Yeah, and he knows it.
Speaker 1: That's three drops and they had three other drops. That's
Speaker 1: six drops. I think somebody asked him about the offense
Speaker 1: being on the same page and he's like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think we are. I just but I just me. I
Speaker 1: just got to catch the football. Like that's basically just
Speaker 1: finished plays. And I think that's part of the message
Speaker 1: from the coaching staff is you, guys, we've made these plays,
Speaker 1: you can make them. Let's just let's let's do what
Speaker 1: we do. Like Brian said Monday, just make play football,
Speaker 1: make football plays. Some of it is about execution, no
Speaker 1: question about it. Now, there was one play that they
Speaker 1: weren't on the same page. But no, yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 1: he'd probably open. Yeah, he didn't see the blitz and
Speaker 1: Dak read blitz exactly and it's like, you got to
Speaker 1: do that, not what you did. Uh, you know that
Speaker 1: prepared stuff. So Witton had a drop. He wasn't prepared
Speaker 1: to play. You want to believe that. No, No, I
Speaker 1: just sneed Michael Gallop to be one a ball. Gallop
Speaker 1: has to step up. And I think with Devin Smith
Speaker 1: on the other side as the outside receiver, if Cobb
Speaker 1: can't go, then they've got something. Now, when you go
Speaker 1: three wide, that's a different story. But Cedric Wilson actually
Speaker 1: came on right. Yeah, But how about how about though?
Speaker 1: How about Tavon Austin though, did he do anything for
Speaker 1: He did a little bit. Yes, I don't know why.
Speaker 1: I don't you know, trust him? Yeah, you don't trust
Speaker 1: him because he can't line up. I don't blame you
Speaker 1: if you don't. Seriously, he runs a great route to
Speaker 1: get open Dak. It was a perfect ball to him.
Speaker 1: He tap tap, gets the feet down fifteen yards. And
Speaker 1: now Bradley whatever the referee's name was, I forget his name,
Speaker 1: Bradley Rogers. I believe he's like, you know, you know
Speaker 1: legal formation eighty two covered. I'm like, what what you know?
Speaker 1: And sure enough it's fifteen or ten covering eighty two.
Speaker 1: So I mean you can't have that. You just can't
Speaker 1: have that. And I don't know. Do I trust him? No?
Speaker 1: I don't know Austin lined up as an outside receiver.
Speaker 1: That's the question I asked Jason Garrett, and he basically says, no,
Speaker 1: you've got to understand where you are. You've got to
Speaker 1: line up. I'm not saying that as an excuse, but
Speaker 1: you could ask me right there too. Yeah, I said
Speaker 1: that yesterday. I give you the wrong answer, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: But okay, so trust, no, trust, Nikki doesn't trust. I'm
Speaker 1: kind of I think they're gonna have. If you're gonna
Speaker 1: have over there, they're gonna have to incorporate his speed
Speaker 1: into this offense somehow some special if it's Scandrick playing that,
Speaker 1: and if it's got to be and if it's got
Speaker 1: to be handoffs on end a rounds or whatever, you know,
Speaker 1: instead of faking it, you're gonna have to give it
Speaker 1: to him. Yeah, like you like tavon on Scandrick. Yes, yeah, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: Scandrick will overthink this thing. You could get his head,
Speaker 1: you know, just hit him, hit him a bunch of play.
Speaker 1: But you know, make him have to tackle. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what, make this uh, you know, make these the secondary.
Speaker 1: Make this Sidney Jones have to tackle a little bit too.
Speaker 1: They got some guys that really don't want to tackle.
Speaker 1: Other than that safety it's safety'll tackle, but not not
Speaker 1: not these corners not not interested? What about more? Tony
Speaker 1: Pollard and I just said, let's let's explore that when
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Speaker 1: sneaking a peak outside at practice. The first team offensive
Speaker 1: line for your Dallas Cowboys right now, lining up at
Speaker 1: left tackle is Cameron Fleming left guard Connor Williams, The
Speaker 1: right tackles Brandon Knight. The right guard is Zach Martin,
Speaker 1: and your center is Joe Looney. It's kind of the
Speaker 1: way you played against Philadelphia last year. You had Joe
Speaker 1: Looney and they're playing center, you know. And but he said,
Speaker 1: Tyran Frederick's not practicing. Yes, Travis Frederick not practicing right now.
Speaker 1: Maybe some maintenance going on there. He was not that out.
Speaker 1: We will Yeah, any other knots that we didn't mentioned already,
Speaker 1: seven others all all the other not practicing. If we
Speaker 1: count Crawford there you go, all right, Tony Pollard, you
Speaker 1: want to see more Tony Pollard? Rob Why not? If
Speaker 1: you don't have two of your top receivers and you're
Speaker 1: looking for a spark offensively, and he's a guy that
Speaker 1: essentially in some ways was very much a receiver in college,
Speaker 1: why not? I mean, I you know, I think he
Speaker 1: got seven snaps against the Jets, And the last time
Speaker 1: we really saw him heavily involved was I think the
Speaker 1: Miami game yards one hundred yards and it was a
Speaker 1: twenty three snaps that game, twenty three snaps. It was
Speaker 1: opportunity for him to play more primarily as a runner.
Speaker 1: Game was over right games over he spell zeke, And
Speaker 1: I mean maybe that's gonna be his primary role is
Speaker 1: when based on time and score and circumstance, he's spelling zeke.
Speaker 1: But I'm just trying to think of creative ways if
Speaker 1: you're if you're down a bunch of receivers in this game,
Speaker 1: potentially last three games he's had two snaps, five snaps,
Speaker 1: seven snaps on offense. Yeah, I think there's a lot
Speaker 1: of folks out there that are really fantasy disappointed. We
Speaker 1: were talking about that in the break about oh we
Speaker 1: got Tony Pollard. He's really not done anything. But you know,
Speaker 1: I feel like, though to me, getting Tony Pollard involved
Speaker 1: in some two back sets, if you can use them
Speaker 1: as like a move player, you know, as you can
Speaker 1: put him in the slot or you know, put him
Speaker 1: in the backfield, throw them all, you know, just use
Speaker 1: him on those those what we call those Texas routes.
Speaker 1: So they go up and then they angle, you know,
Speaker 1: you go up to the outside in angle inside work
Speaker 1: him against some linebackers. That's where the Eagles have had
Speaker 1: a little success with their guy when they when they
Speaker 1: know Miles Sanders, the running back they got from Penn
Speaker 1: State against Minnesota last week, they put him in the
Speaker 1: backfield and they knew they had a matchup, but they
Speaker 1: got him in man coverage and they just they just
Speaker 1: went up the scene with him, you know, and then
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz was able to hit him and it was
Speaker 1: a big play. I think you need to find if
Speaker 1: you're not going to hand him the ball, find ways
Speaker 1: to throw him the ball. And I'm not just talking
Speaker 1: to the right of the screen stuff and all that's
Speaker 1: really really good, but but find ways to kind of
Speaker 1: let him work in space. If he could catch the
Speaker 1: ball at seven yards and make another ten yards just
Speaker 1: because of a run, I think that's a good thing.
Speaker 1: You know. I'm surprised that we haven't seen, you know,
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore go with a little bit more of that
Speaker 1: with him in the backfield, instead of just saying, okay,
Speaker 1: putting an extra tight end on the field or putting
Speaker 1: an extra wide receiver on the field, you know, just
Speaker 1: maybe maybe think about him as a mismatched player a
Speaker 1: little bit more. This is a great opportunity for Kellen
Speaker 1: Moore this week with when you're going up against an
Speaker 1: Eagles team that knows you so well, okay, from yours
Speaker 1: past and what and now with let's say a shortage
Speaker 1: of personnel, these guys can make place. There's a these
Speaker 1: guys are in the NFL, and then figuring out ways
Speaker 1: to use them because you can figure out creative ways
Speaker 1: to use them where that are not on tape, they
Speaker 1: have not seen and to be able to start it out.
Speaker 1: I mean there's there are when when you play a
Speaker 1: division opponent, and we saw it with Sean Lee time
Speaker 1: and time again against division opponents. He had those offenses
Speaker 1: scoped out. Okay, and I think that this is an
Speaker 1: opportunity really to see the creativity that Kellen Moore has
Speaker 1: in this offense. That's a good point. I don't disagree
Speaker 1: with you. I think that you know, I think he's
Speaker 1: a little bit hamstrung by the fact that he doesn't
Speaker 1: have his two tackles. Yeah, I was gonna say, how
Speaker 1: creative you want to get you know, those two guys
Speaker 1: on your edge, you know, And and you know, we've
Speaker 1: had discussions on the show about the quarterback and him
Speaker 1: taking hits, and you know, it's it's tough. It's tough
Speaker 1: when you're calling plays and you're thinking, okay, how can
Speaker 1: I how can I be aggressive here and then not
Speaker 1: get my quarterback killed? You know, that's that's a that's
Speaker 1: a thought you have to and it's a it's a
Speaker 1: fine line that these coordinators walk because Jim Schwartz knows
Speaker 1: he's down weapons, and Jim Schwartz is like, listen, I
Speaker 1: can cover Devin Smith, I can cover Tavon Austin with
Speaker 1: my guys. So I'm just gonna go ahead and blitz linebackers.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make I'm gonna make these running backs have
Speaker 1: to pick up. I'm gonna make them have to keep
Speaker 1: tight ends in. I'm gonna make Brandon Knight have to
Speaker 1: block in this game. You know. Yeah, I mean that's
Speaker 1: the fine line you walk. That's why I kind of
Speaker 1: liked that first drive out of the out of halftime
Speaker 1: against the Jets. I know that they were behind fifteen points,
Speaker 1: but they didn't panic and this stuff out run. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just trying to take some pressure off of Dak and
Speaker 1: and try to keep the Jets a little honest. Just
Speaker 1: blitz it all the time, right, you know, and don't
Speaker 1: don't lose faith in your running back and your running game. Well, actually,
Speaker 1: that second half when they actually played offense. It was balanced,
Speaker 1: twenty one runs, twenty one passes. Yeah, but how do
Speaker 1: you like you're also working against the clock? Ya, how
Speaker 1: do you like Brandon Graham against Cam Fleming or Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's where I mean. If you lose Dak Prescott,
Speaker 1: then everything is you know, we're we're talking Welcome to
Speaker 1: the Draft show kind of a thing. But you know,
Speaker 1: to me, you know, it's it's it's a fine line
Speaker 1: that these guys walk. And you know, we were saying, well,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of first down runs. Yeah, a lot
Speaker 1: of first down runs. Because what happens is you get
Speaker 1: to a point in time like if I just keep
Speaker 1: dropping back, something is going to happen here. And I
Speaker 1: mean there's some good things that can happen, but there's
Speaker 1: a lot of also some bad things, especially when you
Speaker 1: don't have you're starting two tackles playing on that on
Speaker 1: the field. It's trying to keep that down a distance manageable. Well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and people say, well, well Dan Brian, it's second and nine.
Speaker 1: How what are you gonna do now? Yeah, Well, well
Speaker 1: you weren't playing to be second and nine. I know,
Speaker 1: I know that's the Yeah, but you get a lot
Speaker 1: of that twelve personnel stuff, and that brings seven eight
Speaker 1: down in that box and maybe we can see him
Speaker 1: spread those things out a little bit. By the way
Speaker 1: Dave Hellman said, it sounds like personal, personal for Travis
Speaker 1: Travis Frederick personal reasons. That's why he's not at practice today.
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